What are these big 996 bills people speak of?

I'm looking for a 996 C4S and the prices range from £15k to £30k depends on who's selling the car. I currently have an Aston Martin V8 Vantage S where I bought the cheapest example and privately which I was comfortable doing because although parts are expensive, there aren't that many big bills as a lot of the mechanical parts are Volvo, Ford and Fiat (some gearbox parts are Fiat). But with the 996 I'm getting the impression things are a little different and perhaps the cheapest example isn't the way to go and the saying "buy cheap buy twice" could apply. I've seen posts on this forum from pre-purchase inspections that say the cars need £10k+ of work. For the sake of example, here is a private seller at £22k: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202509226540148 And here is the same spec car, mileage and both rebuilds prepped and sold by Phil Raby at £28k Porsche 996 Carrera 4S This 2003 Arctic Silver Metallic Porsche 996 Carrera 4S coupe is a fantastic car that we have invested a great deal of time and money in to ensure it’s one of the best examples available – it looks and drives almost like a new car. Don’t let the mileage put you off, as the car […] philipraby.co.uk So what risks am I taking by going for the £22k car, am I potentially dodging £6k+ bills with the Phil Raby car? Because the private car would need to throw a £6k+ bill to make it the worse decision. As someone who isn't familiar yet with the 996, what could this bills potentially be? Keen to hear thoughts. Thanks

Hi Alex, in my opinion i'd be considering the Phil Raby car before the other, purely from the facts that it will have a warranty for 6 months. I've had the pleasure of speaking to Phil a few times and he's actually sold my 99 C4 twice in it's history and in my opinion they know their stuff and have a good rep. Have you looked into the mot history of both as that may give you an idea of how they've been looked after by previous owners. I'm well aware that mot is only an idea of the car's state on that day but you can tell alot from advisories and failures etc. Good luck. Si.

don't assume the Phil Raby car that is shinny under showroom lights will be any better to a private seller with a known Porsche car history your first check is there Porsche (911) 996 & 997 Gen CARS For Sale & Wanted Post your Porsche ad's classifieds for 911 water-cooled cars for the 996 Generation (1997 to 2005) and 997 Generation (2004 to 2012). Register your desires here 911uk.com

Those two replies are the two opinions on each of my shoulder whispering in to my ear which way is best. The Phil Raby car may come with a warranty but it needs to have a £6k bill to make that worthwhile. And I only used the Phil Raby car as an example, I'm also talking about Paragon, Ashgood etc too. I'd feel better if their ad said things like "we've just refreshed the suspension, coolant lines, brake lines, condensers, 4 new tyres" etc etc but that's not the case. My gut says the premium is just a bit too much at the specialists, especially in these examples where the engine has had a rebuild too.

You ask a good question but these cars are old now and can throw a problem and resulting bill at you at any point. A sound move would be getting a ppi done no matter who you’re buying it from. Plus have a look at what preventative maintenance has been done as these cars need certain things looking at over time Buy a good one and I’m sure you’ll love it

The choice, 'self insure' or pay a premium with a warranty that then my not cover all the costs anyway... For example using largely aftermarket but known good brands like Bilstein, Sachs, TRW, Koni, Meyle, CTE, etc (first three are known OE suppliers to Porsche) will cost you £1500 or more in parts alone for a full suspension refresh and then 10 hours or mor labour. Original Porsche parts would probably be approaching £5k. You'll get everything on a PPI as they need to cover themselves. Many items could be done over a period of time or simply monitored. You're looking at 20+ year old cars and at the price point you are indicating they will not be perfect.

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Thanks, although I love the narrow body. I think I'd want the C4S for that wider track for longer distance cruising. 996 C2 was one of the best cars I've ever driven for British B-roads but B-roads aren't all I'll be doing with it.

Are you spannering yourself ? I was in the same position and spent a while hunting for a C4S not too long ago - great looking aren’t they? Won my heart over a 997. I mean it’s basically a turbo without the motor. Most of the C4S’s I was looking at were around £20k plus. These were mostly on AT and a lot of them had been for sale for ages. Sellers were unwilling to drop prices. I nearly negotiated one for around £20k but I was never entirely comfortable with it - and I’m not keen on black. Then out of the blue I spotted a very dark blue one on eBay in a no reserve auction. The bidding was only at £12k the MOT history was good and after a chat with the seller I put in a cheeky bid (the thinking being it left lots of room for problems down the road including an engine rebuild). I won it for around £13,500 and it’s been a cracker. I had PPI done on it and nothing to worry about came up. I still can’t believe I got it. They are a pleasure to work on too. So they are out there if you’re patient. Good luck

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I won’t be spannering myself but I’m patient with old cars and know I need maintenance. Just trying to figure out if buying from a specialist actually significantly reduces the potential for future bills to make it worth the premium. I’d hate nothing more than buying from a specialist all to find it needed lots of work within a year anyway.

I suspect specialist Porsche dealerships are likely to be well versed in most if not all issues that any 911 derivative can present, and that being the case seem far less likely to buy in or handle a SOR Porsche which is likely to provide issues. There seem to be specialists favoured by the folk on this forum, thinking 911 Virgin and others of that ilk, though Friends Green Porsche have made some interesting vids on the kind of cars they buy in and the repairs they have carried out on a variety of 911 derivatives prior to advertising them for sale which you may find interesting. I am NOT recommending FGP, just hopefully providing you with linkage to vids that might assist your educational process. Good luck in your choices..

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Yeah I've watched a few of their videos. A few friends have bought from them and told me that they don't prep all their cars to the standard they do on videos as some shortcuts were discovered after purchase.

i worked on the theory that any car has the potential to throw a bill at you, no matter what the age or where you buy it from. The obvious advantage of buying from a dealer is a degree of comeback with issues, but not all warranties are worth the paper they are written on i have found in the past. Same with PPIs - i know some people swear by them, but there have been reports of issues found after a PPI that wasn't picked up and there is no comeback at all. I've never used a PPI personally as i would potentially end up spending a fortune with the amount of cars i get through as i get bored quickly. Had a couple of other Porsches in the past as well as many other manufacturers, but the 996 is on a different level of paranoia in terms of bills and issues. If you took direction from even half the posts online you would never buy one! There seem to be a lot of people with vested interests in maintaining the storyline that you need to spend ££££ to keep a car on the road. Nice to see that Phil Raby example you posted has a decent chunk of mileage on it - it does look like a nice example. but only once you are standing in front of it and poking it will you know for sure. Good luck with your search!

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Yeah it has done the miles, after a rebuild unfortunately though. I'm trying to pinpoint exactly _what_ it is that goes wrong and creates those big bills. For example on my Aston it's usually things like suspension components, electronics like ECUs, clutches .. anything bespoke to Aston. But with the 996, apart from the IMS, RMS and borescore I can't figure out what the expensive jobs are to look out for.

Brake lines, coolant pipes, steering rack, condensers, AOS.