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I use my 996.2 GT3 most days, driving around Sarf London.
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Now - out of the box, the 997.2 GT3 is the better car of the 3 (which is why I bought one back before the retrospective imposition of the centre lock maintenance schedule), but a 997.1 given the attention of a good chassis setup (perhaps with a couple of parts changes) can be made to handle every bit as well.
Now - out of the box, the 997.2 GT3 is the better car of the 3 (which is why I bought one back before the retrospective imposition of the centre lock maintenance schedule), but a 997.1 given the attention of a good chassis setup (perhaps with a couple of parts changes) can be made to handle every bit as well.
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Now - out of the box, the 997.2 GT3 is the better car of the 3 (which is why I bought one back before the retrospective imposition of the centre lock maintenance schedule), but a 997.1 given the attention of a good chassis setup (perhaps with a couple of parts changes) can be made to handle every bit as well.
Now - out of the box, the 997.2 GT3 is the better car of the 3 (which is why I bought one back before the retrospective imposition of the centre lock maintenance schedule), but a 997.1 given the attention of a good chassis setup (perhaps with a couple of parts changes) can be made to handle every bit as well.
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Now - out of the box, the 997.2 GT3 is the better car of the 3 (which is why I bought one back before the retrospective imposition of the centre lock maintenance schedule), but a 997.1 given the attention of a good chassis setup (perhaps with a couple of parts changes) can be made to handle every bit as well.
Now - out of the box, the 997.2 GT3 is the better car of the 3 (which is why I bought one back before the retrospective imposition of the centre lock maintenance schedule), but a 997.1 given the attention of a good chassis setup (perhaps with a couple of parts changes) can be made to handle every bit as well.
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It's running costs are also slightly less (cheaper brakes and you do not have the labour intensive re-greasing regime on the CL wheels every 2 years) and of course you can have anyone take your wheels off and change your tyres as it doesn't call for a 700Nm torque wrench (not just an independent specialist).
It's running costs are also slightly less (cheaper brakes and you do not have the labour intensive re-greasing regime on the CL wheels every 2 years) and of course you can have anyone take your wheels off and change your tyres as it doesn't call for a 700Nm torque wrench (not just an independent specialist).
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The OP should feel free to research the details, but the short version is that on the 997.2 GT3 you have to replace major components at significant expense every 4200 miles of track use (in practical terms adding about £100/day to the costs of tracking the car, and if you aren't going to track it you really ought to be buying a GTS).
The OP should feel free to research the details, but the short version is that on the 997.2 GT3 you have to replace major components at significant expense every 4200 miles of track use (in practical terms adding about £100/day to the costs of tracking the car, and if you aren't going to track it you really ought to be buying a GTS).
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I am in a quandary and looking for advice from people with experience of the cars mentioned.
I'm in the market for a GT3. I'm torn between a stunning 996 gen 2 Gt3 and 997.2 GT3 clubsport and a
997.1 GT3 RS.
What would you do?
I'm leaning towards the clubsport as it may be a little more useable day to day, but the RS is the pinnacle of development, but then again I have a soft spot for the 996. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh.
Someone tell me two of them are rubbish so I can make up my mind
Any experiences, advice or general badgering appreciated.
Oh, and apologies for yet another "what car?" thread.
What's the purpose? Most owner want either:
- Weekend on road (any, let budget decide)
- Weekend on road plus 4-5 track days per year (any, let budget decide)
- Weekend on road plus some serious track work (996)
- Track car (996)
- Daily driver (997.2 GT3)
Car will be used on the road, think daily driver.
Track days will be a part of it's usage, Spa, Nurburgring and other UK days.
I'm not averse to a "firm" car.
I suppose I should clarify I am looking for peoples personal opinions, people who have driven and lived with the models mentioned.
What drove your choice of vehicle? Things like that.
Cheers.
g7jhp said:
I'd go for the 997.2 GT3 as it’s more usable than the other two.
Unless you can get a 997.1 GT3 RS in Green!
What makes the 997.2 "more useable"?
What do you own?
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JSquaredJim said:
What makes the 997.2 "more useable"?
What do you own?
This is the information I need.
I have a 996 GT3 CS - it fits the bill for weekend fun, foreign trip and track work - not sure it's a daily driver, but there are some people who use them daily - Jackwood on here and writing articles for GT Porsche being one candidate.
Just be wary of damage to residuals if you're running up the miles, but if you don't care about that, what a good way to go to work
I've not driven the others and I am massively biased, but the 996 GT3 is a cracking car IMHO - truth is I don't think you could go wrong with ANY of your selection.....
I owned a 996 GT3 CS sold it for a 997 gen 1 GT3 RS and sold that but have just bought a 996 GT3 CS again. It is used for weekend plus track days. Wouldn't want it as a daily driver though.
For what they cost now a 997.1 C/S is a very good all rounder then again a 996 gt3 and mid/high 30's Is a value buy as well.
Most RS's don't make daily drivers
Maybe this will help:
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyI...
There are links to write ups on the other GT3s as well.
If it was my money, the first car I would dismiss is the 997.1 GT3 RS as it didn't really move things on substantially from the regular GT3. That leaves the 996.2 GT3 or the 997.2 GT3 CS. I would go for the latter as it's definitely more useable. Make sure it has the front axle lift.
If I was in the market right now, I would ideally go for the 997.2 GT3 RS however, you sacrifice overall daily useability with this car. It's a weekend car but will hold its value well and will probably appreciate.
I clearly see the case for the 996.2 and the 997.2. Both great cars. The 997.1 RS is to me the weakest RS for a long time. The differences to the stock 997.1 GT3 are so minimal, that they are not worth the extra money IMHO
JSquaredJim said:
Car will be used on the road, think daily driver.
Track days will be a part of it's usage, Spa, Nurburgring and other UK days.
I'm not averse to a "firm" car.
I suppose I should clarify I am looking for peoples personal opinions, people who have driven and lived with the models mentioned.
What drove your choice of vehicle? Things like that.
Cheers.
From the 3 you have listed I would say a 997.2 GT3 CS would be perfect for you.
More useable day to day than the 996
When you want to track it, it has the CS spec and buckets etc
Having said that though, I honestly believe the vanilla 997.1 GT3 is a performance car bargain at the moment. A good £15-£20k cheaper than a 997.2 too!
V8KSN said:
Having said that though, I honestly believe the vanilla 997.1 GT3 is a performance car bargain at the moment. A good £15-£20k cheaper than a 997.2 too!
If you can find a good one, there's not many for sale at the moment, though paragon have a very nice one, but comfort spec.
pete a said:
V8KSN said:
Having said that though, I honestly believe the vanilla 997.1 GT3 is a performance car bargain at the moment. A good £15-£20k cheaper than a 997.2 too!
If you can find a good one, there's not many for sale at the moment, though paragon have a very nice one, but comfort spec.
Yes I've noticed this too, particularly if you compare the situation with twelve months ago. Club Sports are even more scarce.
Trev450 said:
pete a said:
V8KSN said:
Having said that though, I honestly believe the vanilla 997.1 GT3 is a performance car bargain at the moment. A good £15-£20k cheaper than a 997.2 too!
If you can find a good one, there's not many for sale at the moment, though paragon have a very nice one, but comfort spec.
Yes I've noticed this too, particularly if you compare the situation with twelve months ago. Club Sports are even more scarce.
Buckets but no cage -
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
I bet there is a deal to be done too!
Dr S said:
I clearly see the case for the 996.2 and the 997.2. Both great cars. The 997.1 RS is to me the weakest RS for a long time. The differences to the stock 997.1 GT3 are so minimal, that they are not worth the extra money IMHO
That certainly used to be the case, but there is now a curve ball in the shape of the Gen 2 Centre Lock maintenance schedule. The OP should feel free to research the details, but the short version is that on the 997.2 GT3 you have to replace major components at significant expense every 4200 miles of track use (in practical terms adding about £100/day to the costs of tracking the car, and if you aren't going to track it you really ought to be buying a GTS).
Now - out of the box, the 997.2 GT3 is the better car of the 3 (which is why I bought one back before the retrospective imposition of the centre lock maintenance schedule), but a 997.1 given the attention of a good chassis setup (perhaps with a couple of parts changes) can be made to handle every bit as well. The 3.8 engine in the gen 2 is better than the 3.6 in the earlier cars (especially low-mid range torque) and there is no getting away from that, however - by virtue of being an RS the older 997 will have better long term residuals (though in the UK at least it isn't actually much rarer - not many gen2 3.8s came in even though there are significantly more in the world as a whole than the gen 1 RS). It's running costs are also slightly less (cheaper brakes and you do not have the labour intensive re-greasing regime on the CL wheels every 2 years) and of course you can have anyone take your wheels off and change your tyres as it doesn't call for a 700Nm torque wrench (not just an independent specialist).
As for the 996 - loved it when I had one and while it is more communicative, fidgety and interesting to drive, the 997 is a better road car (the worse the road surface, the more the difference) and that is what the OP is after. Note though that a 996 GT3 can be bought for appreciably less and if well looked after will possibly not suffer any further depreciation in the long term. The others might (more so the non-RS, but depends upon what you pay).
Edited by DiscoColin on Monday 27th January 17:47
DiscoColin said:
That certainly used to be the case, but there is now a curve ball in the shape of the Gen 2 Centre Lock maintenance schedule. The OP should feel free to research the details, but the short version is that on the 997.2 GT3 you have to replace major components at significant expense every 4200 miles of track use (in practical terms adding about £100/day to the costs of tracking the car, and if you aren't going to track it you really ought to be buying a GTS).
Now - out of the box, the 997.2 GT3 is the better car of the 3 (which is why I bought one back before the retrospective imposition of the centre lock maintenance schedule), but a 997.1 given the attention of a good chassis setup (perhaps with a couple of parts changes) can be made to handle every bit as well. The 3.8 engine in the gen 2 is better than the 3.6 in the earlier cars (especially low-mid range torque) and there is no getting away from that, however - by virtue of being an RS the older 997 will have better long term residuals (though in the UK at least it isn't actually much rarer - not many gen2 3.8s came in even though there are significantly more in the world as a whole than the gen 1 RS). It's running costs are also slightly less (cheaper brakes and you do not have the labour intensive re-greasing regime on the CL wheels every 2 years) and of course you can have anyone take your wheels off and change your tyres as it doesn't call for a 700Nm torque wrench (not just an independent specialist).
As for the 996 - loved it when I had one and while it is more communicative, fidgety and interesting to drive, the 997 is a better road car (the worse the road surface, the more the difference) and that is what the OP is after. Note though that a 996 GT3 can be bought for appreciably less and if well looked after will possibly not suffer any further depreciation in the long term. The others might (more so the non-RS, but depends upon what you pay).
Edited by DiscoColin on Monday 27th January 17:47
DiscoColin, brilliant summary, exactly the info I was after. Was not aware of the Centre lock maintenance schedule. I was aware of a few wheels falling off, lol.
Thanks for the info
I was going for a gen1 at first as I did not like the centre locks. Unable to find a gen1 but found a nice gen2. Centre locks are not a big deal and the wheels should not fall off!
If it turns into a problem you can always convert to 5 bolt.
I've got most of the cars mentioned in this thread - no doubt that the best all rounder is the 3.8 gen 2 GT3. It is so good that I am trying to talk myself into selling it when I have a 4.0 RS as well. It is pointless keeping it as they aren't that different, in most driving situations. It is a great car and I think it is a lot of bang for your buck.
pistolp said:
I've got most of the cars mentioned in this thread - no doubt that the best all rounder is the 3.8 gen 2 GT3. It is so good that I am trying to talk myself into selling it when I have a 4.0 RS as well. It is pointless keeping it as they aren't that different, in most driving situations. It is a great car and I think it is a lot of bang for your buck.
Pistolp. How would you rate the 996 GT3 as a car to live with? I have another car for the daily rubbish, but will no doubt end up taking the Porsche because it is what I have worked so hard for and well, you only live once
How do you find the centre locks? Do they make tyre swaps a pain? How about specific maintenance?
I am an Automotive design engineer, with motorsport history, and tbh I find the thought of centre locks a bit worrysome on a road car. They are enough of an arse on a race car.
Good luck in your quest for an RS 4.0, I am after a 996 RS and a 997 4.0 to keep my daily Pork company
I think it would be fine, a 997 would of course be a bit easier, because of PASM etc but I think it is marginal. What would bother me more is that my 997 has nav and ipod capability but you can add that. At the end of the day I can see why you would want a 996 but really the 997 is more exciting and more useable. The engine is mega, I think the 996s feel a bit flat after the 3.8
As for centrelocks I have never given it any thought! If I get a puncture I will worry about it then, for track days I would just get a friendly mechanic to come along and help with the right kit. Or worst case I would go with brand new tyres and crawl home....
pistolp said:
I think it would be fine, a 997 would of course be a bit easier, because of PASM etc but I think it is marginal. What would bother me more is that my 997 has nav and ipod capability but you can add that. At the end of the day I can see why you would want a 996 but really the 997 is more exciting and more useable. The engine is mega, I think the 996s feel a bit flat after the 3.8
Sooooo, maybe a 997.2 Clubsport would be the best option. All the tracky bits, the better engine but full of the creature comforts. Oh god, my head really hurts now.
JSquaredJim said:
Sooooo, maybe a 997.2 Clubsport would be the best option. All the tracky bits, the better engine but full of the creature comforts. Oh god, my head really hurts now.
Indeed, the 7.2 GT3 is IMHO the pick of the bunch - that's why I own one
Dr S said:
JSquaredJim said:
Sooooo, maybe a 997.2 Clubsport would be the best option. All the tracky bits, the better engine but full of the creature comforts. Oh god, my head really hurts now.
Indeed, the 7.2 GT3 is IMHO the pick of the bunch - that's why I own one
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