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I've had my 997.1 turbo from new and after 8 years of ownership was faced with a choice to either buy a new 991 Turbo S or perhaps see if I could create (with the help of a top tuner) the 997 turbo S Porsche should have always given us with a Mezger engine and manual gearbox. After driving a 991 Turbo S for a weekend and Parr's Stage 3 RS Tuning demonstrator with 624 PS my car was actually all set to go to RS Tuning/Parr this winter. The 991 turbo was super quick but felt like a super fast limo compared to the Parr demonstrator and to me lacked any real driver involvement or character. This was also a criticism levelled at the 997.1 turbo. I came across 9e who haven't been around for a long time and I'd heard lots of good things about. What I particularly liked about 9e was that I had direct access to senior staff and was not having to go through a distributor for RS Tuning should I develop any issues. A small nuance but its nice to speak directly to the developer of the packages themselves without having to wait for an answer from Germany where RS Tuning are based. RS tuning Stage 3 kit consists of modded hybrid 997 turbos with variable vanes fixed in the open position and its a beautiful package but I was intrigued when Ken Napier mentioned for similar money he was offering hybrid GT2 turbos with motorsport bearings.The 993 and 996 turbo S (X 50) got trick GT2 turbos and I was disappointed Porsche in their infinite wisdom did not follow this recipe on the 997 instead choosing to get banzai performance from the new DFI engine combined with super quick PDK which again is a superb car and amazingly fast but lacks driver involvement (for me) with its PDK box. I then saw this fellow's car on youtube at VMAX 200 last year which 9e had fettled. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8OzfgpepQurB8QwS... I took a risk and went with 9e rather than established Porsche tuner royalty and I have to say the 9e GT2 hybrid turbos really do change the character and give my turbo 25% more useable power everywhere. Power to weight ratio goes from circa 303 bhp/ton to well over 400+ bhp/ton. 0-300 kph reduced from 40 secs to VBOX tested 28 secs so translates into over 25% in real useable on the road performance. Over kill perhaps but I love it and its maybe how the car should have come as a turbo S from the factory. Therefor decided to create my own take on how Porsches engineer may have executed a turbo S if they'd used the Mezger gen 1 turbo as a base. Lighter wheels - Forged BBS F1 GT2 turbos GT2 RS intercoolers |http://thumbsnap.com/G5OOWO9O[/url] Europipe Sports Exhaust Stage 2 Loud with Emitec 100 CEL racing cats. Its a beautiful exhaust and a work of art. Shame its hidden and really does bring out the motorsport roots of the Mezger engine. Not loud like a 458, F type R or AMG 63 which all sound a bit fake but a real no nonsense motorsport flat six bark and good for track days with max 105 decibels at WOT which is under most tracks noise limits. Larger throttle body, larger y pipe, performance air filter H&R - 20 MM progressive lowering springs and GT2 rear anti roll bar results in zero understeer combined with wider 8.75 in and 12 inch wheels and trick Michelin Cup 2 tyres with increased tyre width size increased to 245 35 19 and 325 30 19. GT2/3 short shift with alcantara shift and steering wheel. 1st to 2nd when cold can be bit stiff but it has rifle bolt action when warmed after 10 mins. Before 9e After [url] A big thanks to Ken at 9e and his team who were very patient explaining a myriad of questions I had as a newby before sending my car to them. The end result is breathtaking after 100 completely reliable laps at Bedford Autodrome demonstrated and the 997 turbo platform shrugs off the extra power my car has with no issues at all. The larger GT2 turbos love V Power so fuel consumption on average has fallen from 22mpg to about 18mpg. On track this fell to 8 mpg lol. Stock steel brakes can easily handle the extra power but wear rate is increased and the car was lovely on track in sport mode on the H&R progressive sports lowering springs with GT2 ant roll bars. On road the car remains comfortable but in sport mode on rough surfaces above 150 mph the suspension can lose composure. On smooth roads its beautiful all the way up to its new top speed of 205 mph. 9e 28 On the GT circuit at Bedford Autodrome it was easily as quick as a late 2013 MC were we were both pulling not far off 160mph on main straight! Stock car was at circa 140mph on the same straight so big difference although you don't feel the extra power on track as much as I thought you would. Seat of the pants for example I would have said a 991 Turbo S quicker but thats not the case according to 9e. We shall find out at a few VMAX events I plan to attend this year! Not for everyone but if you have 997.1 or 996 turbo and are looking to liven it up you could do worse than send it to the boys at 9e. The 9e28 package is £20,995 + VAT. Factor in donor 997.1 turbo for £40k and for £65k you get a car which nothing this side of McLaren 650 S can touch. It eats 12 Cs and 458's for breakfast whilst still being a perfect pootler for the school run 4 up http://www.nineexcellence.com

IMIA said: RS tuning Stage 3 kit consists of modded hybrid 997 turbos with variable vanes fixed in the open position We discussed this before I think ? It has to be wrong not just because it doesn't really make sense not to use the variable vanes (other than maybe keeping temps down) but it must be wrong because how would the boost be controlled since the VTGs don't have a wastegate they rely on the vane movements to deal with the boost Did you get Carrillos on your new engine ? I hope so cos 0-300kph in 28s is a solid 600hp and that is in bending territory

TB993tt said: IMIA said: RS tuning Stage 3 kit consists of modded hybrid 997 turbos with variable vanes fixed in the open position We discussed this before I think ? It has to be wrong not just because it doesn't really make sense not to use the variable vanes (other than maybe keeping temps down) but it must be wrong because how would the boost be controlled since the VTGs don't have a wastegate they rely on the vane movements to deal with the boost Did you get Carrillos on your new engine ? I hope so cos 0-300kph in 28s is a solid 600hp and that is in bending territory I did ask but both RS Tuning/Parr and 9e assured me forged rods not required at this power level which is 624 PS and 650 PS respectively. My car only runs 1.1 bar of boost in normal mode and 1.3 bar in sport mode. RS Tuning/Parr will give you 680 PS on the stock engine with a 2 year warranty from Parr on the GT2 stage 4 package. On the fixed vane point I'm just repeating what Lawrence at Parr told me who are RS Tunings agents here in the UK. May be have chat with Lawrence at Parr or Mr Schmirler himself?!

Great post mate and the car looks just right.

bloody awesome. Good job

Cheers guys thought I'd cover a couple of thousand miles in it before posting my thoughts. Just passed 70,000 miles and hope to do another at least another 200,000 miles in it. Absolutely brilliant sleeper as the car still looks virtually stock. I've had a bit of fun with a Huracan and GTR recently and to say they we're shocked is the understatement of the year Still looks good to me after being my daily snotter for 8 years and I have no qualms about piling on the miles. It has stone chips all over it and I can leave it anywhere without fear of any unwanted attention.

Gorgeous wheels, really suit the car with the adjusted ride height. Good attitude to mileage too!

Great stuff, looks great and thanks for sharing this with us.

Excellent job Imi, I like the idea of the wolf in sheeps clothing and when you look at the costs that's bloody good value to have what is a great looking 911 with 200+mph especially looking at today's crazy market. I think you've done a superb job in creating the 997 Turbo 200 Enjoy

TD said: Excellent job Imi, I like the idea of the wolf in sheeps clothing and when you look at the costs that's bloody good value to have what is a great looking 911 with 200+mph especially looking at today's crazy market. I think you've done a superb job in creating the 997 Turbo 200 Enjoy +1 love it!

Thanks guys. Just a slight correction RS Tuning offer 660 PS on stock engine. Beautiful kit.

Brilliant! Amazing to see what can be done if you spend the cost to upgrade money on your old car! TX.

Seconded on the 9e front here, had my 996 turbo converted to 9e30 in the summer, to be frank it is probably too fast for the road really, and I never thought I would say that. Serious bits of kit with a proper tune, I can only imagine what sort of madness 9e 25/20/17 kits produce! Great looking car OP, nice touch having owned it from new as well, already know the car inside out but now producing 25% extra power

Wow. Well done. Thanks for sharing. The alloys suit the car really well. Get Ken to stick on some GiroDiscs/RS29s to improve stopping from both cold at VMax and hot on a track day. If you are running OEM drilled then they won't last long on track days given the power and weight of the car. Enjoy!

IMIA said: Thanks guys. Just a slight correction RS Tuning offer 660 PS on stock engine. Beautiful kit. That 660kit is mine they did it for me using my special intercoolers (note it is for the GT2) with that I was getting 0-300 in 25.9s ! The rods do bend at these levels if the car is used properly, lots of Autobahn top gear pulling this is what I was told but I suspect German customers do load the engines much more than we can over here. Even with a dodgy start Edited by TB993tt on Monday 26th January 10:02

Yes Toby I agree as you're probably aware I even managed to blow up my original engine when it was completely stock on a prolonged high speed run at approaching 170mph - thank God I had a warranty at the time and Porsche after a 5 month debate gave me a brand new factory fresh engine - in reality my new engine has only covered 9k miles On 0-300kph times the 9e 28 its guaranteed to run less than 28 secs. On a good day in perfect conditions you could easily see 26.5 secs 0-300kph and on a less than perfect runway like Brunters you might only see 29.5 secs 0-300kph. I wish I had a GT2 as its perfect for my current usage but they're becoming quite expensive and tricky to find. I have my eye on a very high spec 2009 car and hopefully if the owner ever sells it he will call me first! If the rods do bend good excuse to then go the whole hog and upgrade to 9e 15 lol

IMIA said: If the rods do bend good excuse to then go the whole hog and upgrade to 9e 15 lol Bending is one thing but the real fun and games is if one decides to break and exit the case, this is what used to happen back in the 993GT2 days it was only when Carrillo developed their proprietary rods that the race teams had peace of mind... I don't know what is different about the 997/997 rods or whether it is just that the engines are not being loaded enough but my 993 bent its rods and it was only running 520PS/750NM, maybe it was the violent ramp up of the torque which did it ? I know Ken ragged his first 996 and it must have had ~700hp and apparently the rods were fine when he cracked it open....

Great write up! Sounds like a monster. Whilst i appreciate the appeal is that you can add modification as when you have the cash, in the modern world of finance, i'd probably take the easy approach and go for a 997.2 Turbo S for pretty similar money all in. Did you consider that? Was it the mezger/manual combo that kept you loyal?

hondansx said: Great write up! Sounds like a monster. Whilst i appreciate the appeal is that you can add modification as when you have the cash, in the modern world of finance, i'd probably take the easy approach and go for a 997.2 Turbo S for pretty similar money all in. Did you consider that? Was it the mezger/manual combo that kept you loyal? Thanks and yes I probably spent closer to £30k including wheels, rubber and sports exhaust so a 7 turbo S well within budget. I'd say for 9/10 people the 7.2 turbo S a far more sensible route. Spent lots of time on both road and track in 997 and 991 turbo S and they're fabulous but PDK takes the shine away v.slightly for me.

LaSource said: Wow. Well done. Thanks for sharing. The alloys suit the car really well. Get Ken to stick on some GiroDiscs/RS29s to improve stopping from both cold at VMax and hot on a track day. If you are running OEM drilled then they won't last long on track days given the power and weight of the car. Enjoy! Thanks matey. Yes when they wear out been thinking about these carbon brakes from Surface Transforms. When they're worn out they can be resurfaced. Not as light as OEM ceramics though. http://shop.jzmporsche.com/porsche-carbon-ceramic-...

http://shop.jzmporsche.com/porsche-carbon-ceramic-... Has anyone tried the surface transforms ceramics? ^^^^

no but when my PCCBs run out, I'll try them.

hopefully not speaking out of turn but you could ask Slippydiff

Great write up - almost makes me want to go the same route; buy a 997 turbo and head straight to 9e, they sound fantastic

mudy said: Great write up - almost makes me want to go the same route; buy a 997 turbo and head straight to 9e, they sound fantastic Its a v.good package but I think their best daily driver package is 9e 25. Think its a lot more money but when Porsche were originally refusing to give me a new engine when my old one blew up I was all set to go for a 9e 25 with circa 700- 800bhp. If you can find a 997.1 turbo or 996 turbo for pennies with a blown engine or very high miles then I'd go for a 9e 25 as a dd. Superb cars.

IMIA said: mudy said: Great write up - almost makes me want to go the same route; buy a 997 turbo and head straight to 9e, they sound fantastic Its a v.good package but I think their best daily driver package is 9e 25. Think its a lot more money but when Porsche were originally refusing to give me a new engine when my old one blew up I was all set to go for a 9e 25 with circa 700- 800bhp. If you can find a 997.1 turbo or 996 turbo for pennies with a blown engine or very high miles then I'd go for a 9e 25 as a dd. Superb cars. Well, might as well go 9e20/17 at that expense

RWD cossie wil said: IMIA said: mudy said: Great write up - almost makes me want to go the same route; buy a 997 turbo and head straight to 9e, they sound fantastic Its a v.good package but I think their best daily driver package is 9e 25. Think its a lot more money but when Porsche were originally refusing to give me a new engine when my old one blew up I was all set to go for a 9e 25 with circa 700- 800bhp. If you can find a 997.1 turbo or 996 turbo for pennies with a blown engine or very high miles then I'd go for a 9e 25 as a dd. Superb cars. Well, might as well go 9e20/17 at that expense More noisy fuel system, upgraded gearbox, best to remove front diff, competition clutch - not really a car you can use all the time like the 9e 25 but yes as a VMAX contender may as well go the whole hog and get a 9e15 lol

IMIA said: RWD cossie wil said: IMIA said: mudy said: Great write up - almost makes me want to go the same route; buy a 997 turbo and head straight to 9e, they sound fantastic Its a v.good package but I think their best daily driver package is 9e 25. Think its a lot more money but when Porsche were originally refusing to give me a new engine when my old one blew up I was all set to go for a 9e 25 with circa 700- 800bhp. If you can find a 997.1 turbo or 996 turbo for pennies with a blown engine or very high miles then I'd go for a 9e 25 as a dd. Superb cars. Well, might as well go 9e20/17 at that expense More noisy fuel system, upgraded gearbox, best to remove front diff, competition clutch - not really a car you can use all the time like the 9e 25 but yes as a VMAX contender may as well go the whole hog and get a 9e15 lol Even at 9e30 it's bordering on too much for the road, a long stint at her majesty's pleasure is available in a few prods of the throttle.... Good fun though!

HokumPokum said: no but when my PCCBs run out, I'll try them. that will be in circa 2050

IMIA said: Cheers guys thought I'd cover a couple of thousand miles in it before posting my thoughts. Just passed 70,000 miles and hope to do another at least another 200,000 miles in it. Absolutely brilliant sleeper as the car still looks virtually stock. I've had a bit of fun with a Huracan and GTR recently and to say they we're shocked is the understatement of the year Still looks good to me after being my daily snotter for 8 years and I have no qualms about piling on the miles. It has stone chips all over it and I can leave it anywhere without fear of any unwanted attention. Love the wheels... car looks great ! Huracan has been timed to 300kmh at 27.6s..... when you can take a second out of a GT2RS whilst weighing a couple hundred kgs more you have some perspective about how quick a car it is ! All that said, I'm surprised you didn't love the 991turboS if you were looking for the ultimate daily - best car I've driven without doubt & prefer it to the Huracan (whose most amazing characteristic I think is its chassis, as its gearbox/4wd system is at least on a par with the 991).

IMIA said: http://shop.jzmporsche.com/porsche-carbon-ceramic-... Has anyone tried the surface transforms ceramics? ^^^^ If PCCB's will last 160k miles worth of road use (and they can), the ST discs will do 250k miles. Maybe not as light as the OE PCCB's , but only a bit heavier (and waaaay lighter than any steel discs Edited by Slippydiff on Saturday 31st January 23:54

Slippydiff said: IMIA said: http://shop.jzmporsche.com/porsche-carbon-ceramic-... Has anyone tried the surface transforms ceramics? ^^^^ If PCCB's will last 160k miles worth of road use (and they can), the ST discs will do 250k miles. Maybe not as light as the OE PCCB's , but only a bit heavier (and waaaay lighter than any steel discs Edited by Slippydiff on Saturday 31st January 23:54 Thanks Henry. How's peddle feel? Also are they as easy to modulate as OEM steels i.e. not grabby on / off?

ZeroH said: IMIA said: Cheers guys thought I'd cover a couple of thousand miles in it before posting my thoughts. Just passed 70,000 miles and hope to do another at least another 200,000 miles in it. Absolutely brilliant sleeper as the car still looks virtually stock. I've had a bit of fun with a Huracan and GTR recently and to say they we're shocked is the understatement of the year Still looks good to me after being my daily snotter for 8 years and I have no qualms about piling on the miles. It has stone chips all over it and I can leave it anywhere without fear of any unwanted attention. Love the wheels... car looks great ! Huracan has been timed to 300kmh at 27.6s..... when you can take a second out of a GT2RS whilst weighing a couple hundred kgs more you have some perspective about how quick a car it is ! All that said, I'm surprised you didn't love the 991turboS if you were looking for the ultimate daily - best car I've driven without doubt & prefer it to the Huracan (whose most amazing characteristic I think is its chassis, as its gearbox/4wd system is at least on a par with the 991). Hi Zero I love the 991 turbo S and H too but far too much modern tech and the cars virtually drive themselves with auto boxes. You get bored after a few days (well I did) as there's virtually zero driver input required. You do tend to look out of the window at bewilderment how quick the 991 turbo S is across country but inside the car you feel as though you're doing 50 mph instead of 150 mph in complete comfort and a latte in one hand to boot! In the 9e 28 when cold you have to avoid 1st to 2nd for 5-10 mins or so, not hit the loud pedal in the wet and even when its bone dry wait until the tyres are warmed up. You also have to straighten the 9e 28 out properly before getting on the power like a fast bike or the tail wags. The LWFW chunters away, the sports exhaust whistles and barks as you potter down the road, and the whole package literally makes the 997 turbo come alive. Honestly very happy with her indeed. Have a look in the youtube vid in my original post what the 9e 28 did to a 991 turbo S and other cars like 991 GT3, LP 560, GT40 lol at VMAX quicksilver. The 9e 28 also registers a GPS verified 201.5 mph at the same event and conventional wisdom says in the absence of tailwinds its very difficult to break 200mph at Brunters without a real 720bhp. 9e 28 also probably has circa 600 + lb-ft torque which gives it a noticeable advantage over the new turbo and the H mid range. Some other tuners have a swipe at 9e for underquoting hp figures but Ken insist unlike other VTG tuners packages his is the only package that gets faster and faster all the way to VMAX and holds its power without pulling timing like other tuner's VTG packages. Even if the 9e 28 was slower than the newer cars its so much more tactile. As another poster hinted at its very difficult to use the extra power on road without being anti social as other cars simply do not expect you to be able to warp past them at the rate this thing flys at with its snails lit up. I'd love it if a journo would independently test a 9e 28 back to back with a H and 991 turbo S. I suspect Ken at 9e would be selling a lot of 9e 28 packages after that test! Edited by IMIA on Sunday 1st February 10:32

IMIA said: Hi Zero I love the 991 turbo S and H too but far too much modern tech and the cars virtually drive themselves with auto boxes. You get bored after a few days (well I did) as there's virtually zero driver input required. You do tend to look out of the window at bewilderment how quick the 991 turbo S is across country but inside the car you feel as though you're doing 50 mph instead of 150 mph in complete comfort and a latte in one hand to boot! In the 9e 28 when cold you have to avoid 1st to 2nd for 5-10 mins or so, not hit the loud pedal in the wet and even when its bone dry wait until the tyres are warmed up. You also have to straighten the 9e 28 out properly before getting on the power like a fast bike or the tail wags. The LWFW chunters away, the sports exhaust whistles and barks as you potter down the road, and the whole package literally makes the 997 turbo come alive. Honestly very happy with her indeed. Have a look in the youtube vid in my original post what the 9e 28 did to a 991 turbo S and other cars like 991 GT3, LP 560, GT40 lol at VMAX quicksilver. The 9e 28 also registers a GPS verified 201.5 mph at the same event and conventional wisdom says in the absence of tailwinds its very difficult to break 200mph at Brunters without a real 720bhp. 9e 28 also probably has circa 600 + lb-ft torque which gives it a noticeable advantage over the new turbo and the H mid range. Some other tuners have a swipe at 9e for underquoting hp figures but Ken insist unlike other VTG tuners packages his is the only package that gets faster and faster all the way to VMAX and holds its power without pulling timing like other tuner's VTG packages. Even if the 9e 28 was slower than the newer cars its so much more tactile. As another poster hinted at its very difficult to use the extra power on road without being anti social as other cars simply do not expect you to be able to warp past them at the rate this thing flys at with its snails lit up. I'd love it if a journo would independently test a 9e 28 back to back with a H and 991 turbo S. I suspect Ken at 9e would be selling a lot of 9e 28 packages after that test! Edited by IMIA on Sunday 1st February 10:32 Totally understand mate and the challenge of driving a manual 911 that requires thought before throttle application (which a 991tts really doesn't thanks to its phenomenal drive-train) is exactly why my 996 is a keeper. You should definitely contact a mag like GT Purely Porsche (who also have a backlog of published vbox data for 911's) - am sure they would be interested in a comparison v 991tts - indeed these kind of articles are the most fascinating for me.... like the recent Evo video track timing a privately owned 996GT3 against a new Cayman GTS... these kind of used v new comparisons are exactly what enthusiasts often consider when deciding how to part with their hard-earned.

Good idea may well do that! It would make an interesting read to see it independently vboxed. Vid and results from VMAX 200 by EVO mag. 9e do rather well and the 9e 28 comes 7th overall against some pretty rapid cars. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF2x3svjPjk

IMIA said: On the fixed vane point I'm just repeating what Lawrence at Parr told me who are RS Tunings agents here in the UK. May be have chat with Lawrence at Parr or Mr Schmirler himself?! I did and the vanes are not fixed.

TB993tt said: IMIA said: On the fixed vane point I'm just repeating what Lawrence at Parr told me who are RS Tunings agents here in the UK. May be have chat with Lawrence at Parr or Mr Schmirler himself?! I did and the vanes are not fixed. Mr RS should defo have a word with his UK agent Parr Motorsport. Lawrence at Parrs own words were, "RS tuning modify your OEM turbos and fix vanes in fully open position. Result is not as wide power band but when you're in the zone above 3-4000 rpm they really come into their own and the car is more urgent." Their demo car was a peach but God knows what he was talking about re fixing the variable vanes as he sounded pretty convincing - maybe Mr RS does not want to give his trade secrets away or may be they reprogramme the vanes to stay open for more time? Who knows? Ken Napier will not tell me how they've managed to find a solution to their VTGS pulling timing lol (a problem they struggled with for 6-7 years with VTGS which initially put me off tuning my VTGS) so these guys do all keep trade R&D secrets to themselves! As I mentioned earlier in this thread I was all set to go with Parr but the allure of the GT2 turbos was too hard to resist. 9e were also a bit more flexible. By way of example RS Tuning did not want me to use a Europipe 100 cel stage 2 exhaust with their package as they'd not tested it (totally understandable but I felt I was getting an inferior exhaust with their Cargraphic 200 cel exhaust which was all that was on offer with their 997.1 stage 4 kit). Something may have got lost in the translation on both the VTG turbos and exhaust as later after I'd sent the car to 9e instead Parr did say they would have worked something out on the Europipe exhaust. Hopefully see you and your beasty at VMAX on 7th March?

IMIA said: Mr RS should defo have a word with his UK agent Parr Motorsport. Lawrence at Parrs own words were, "RS tuning modify your OEM turbos and fix vanes in fully open position. Result is not as wide power band but when you're in the zone above 3-4000 rpm they really come into their own and the car is more urgent." Their demo car was a peach but God knows what he was talking about re fixing the variable vanes as he sounded pretty convincing - maybe Mr RS does not want to give his trade secrets away or may be they reprogramme the vanes to stay open for more time? Who knows? Ken Napier will not tell me how they've managed to find a solution to their VTGS pulling timing lol (a problem they struggled with for 6-7 years with VTGS which initially put me off tuning my VTGS) so these guys do all keep trade R&D secrets to themselves! As I mentioned earlier in this thread I was all set to go with Parr but the allure of the GT2 turbos was too hard to resist. 9e were also a bit more flexible. By way of example RS Tuning did not want me to use a Europipe 100 cel stage 2 exhaust with their package as they'd not tested it (totally understandable but I felt I was getting an inferior exhaust with their Cargraphic 200 cel exhaust which was all that was on offer with their 997.1 stage 4 kit). Something may have got lost in the translation on both the VTG turbos and exhaust as later after I'd sent the car to 9e instead Parr did say they would have worked something out on the Europipe exhaust. Hopefully see you and your beasty at VMAX on 7th March? I've been trying to hint to you in previous posts that much of what "tuners" tell you should be taken with a pinch of salt, for many years snake oil has been well and truly force fed into us poor punters. Firstly Parr Motorsport are NOT and never have been an "agent" for RS Tuning. Parr's relationship was with Cargraphic. The Cargraphic car whose pic is on their website had two versions of engine tune both with working VTGs. The original tune was 624PS/826NM standard internals but Secan intercoolers to allow the high power reliably (in terms of maintaining the power through IAT control). The second rebuild had different pistons and Carillos and was around 680PS/900NM, this was the engine which propelled that 1519kg car (in the pic) from 0-200 in 9.1s and 0-300 in 23.8s (in the Sport Auto test). RS Tuning have not built any other engines for CG since then in fact I understand they don't speak much now. So you thinking that you may have been "considering" an RS Tuning build is wide of the mark, like I said many "tuners" feed you "stuff". You say above that RS Tuning wanted you to use the CG 200 cell exhaust ? I can tell you that RS do not use 200 cell cats, they only use 100 cell Motorsport (expensive) HJS cats. My guess is that if you had gone with Parr you would have got a kit put together by CG with a program from either Parr or CG's new program supplier, sure they all like to say it is from RS but whilst it may be similar and I'm sure CG know a lot of RS's suppliers it ain't the same as RS want premium prices for their proprietary components. Lastly Ken did not struggle with VTGs pulling timing for 6-7 years because I don't think Ken even owned a Porsche 7 years ago and 9E didn't exist until 4 years ago

IMIA said: http://shop.jzmporsche.com/porsche-carbon-ceramic-... Has anyone tried the surface transforms ceramics? ^^^^ Yep I have them on my 997 GT2 M600 - had first outing at Silverstone with Mike Wilds on Sunday 1st and they are brilliant. Best brakes I have ever had on any car I have owned. Have few more days out on track at end of month and then Spa in March (all days running on slicks if dryish) so will let you know how we get on but I suspect faultless performance.

Dave Sums said: IMIA said: http://shop.jzmporsche.com/porsche-carbon-ceramic-... Has anyone tried the surface transforms ceramics? ^^^^ Yep I have them on my 997 GT2 M600 - had first outing at Silverstone with Mike Wilds on Sunday 1st and they are brilliant. Best brakes I have ever had on any car I have owned. Have few more days out on track at end of month and then Spa in March (all days running on slicks if dryish) so will let you know how we get on but I suspect faultless performance. Thanks David. Can you keep us updated? As an aside how's your GT2 compared to your old GT3 RS?!

TB993tt said: I've been trying to hint to you in previous posts that much of what "tuners" tell you should be taken with a pinch of salt, for many years snake oil has been well and truly force fed into us poor punters. Firstly Parr Motorsport are NOT and never have been an "agent" for RS Tuning. Parr's relationship was with Cargraphic. The Cargraphic car whose pic is on their website had two versions of engine tune both with working VTGs. The original tune was 624PS/826NM standard internals but Secan intercoolers to allow the high power reliably (in terms of maintaining the power through IAT control). The second rebuild had different pistons and Carillos and was around 680PS/900NM, this was the engine which propelled that 1519kg car (in the pic) from 0-200 in 9.1s and 0-300 in 23.8s (in the Sport Auto test). RS Tuning have not built any other engines for CG since then in fact I understand they don't speak much now. So you thinking that you may have been "considering" an RS Tuning build is wide of the mark, like I said many "tuners" feed you "stuff". You say above that RS Tuning wanted you to use the CG 200 cell exhaust ? I can tell you that RS do not use 200 cell cats, they only use 100 cell Motorsport (expensive) HJS cats. My guess is that if you had gone with Parr you would have got a kit put together by CG with a program from either Parr or CG's new program supplier, sure they all like to say it is from RS but whilst it may be similar and I'm sure CG know a lot of RS's suppliers it ain't the same as RS want premium prices for their proprietary components. Lastly Ken did not struggle with VTGs pulling timing for 6-7 years because I don't think Ken even owned a Porsche 7 years ago and 9E didn't exist until 4 years ago Sorry should hav said 4-5 years re 9e. I've been aware of the issues since your monster VTG thread. Re Parr I'm disappointed if you're right as they never mentioned CG just RS. There was a discussion with them about inter coolers and exhaust and they always mentioned RS. I'd have been suing them if you are correct so pleased I went with 9e. Sorry newby to this modding scene so did not pick up the hint lol!

For the sake of clarity from 9e position, what we have done with vtgs is different to other tuners. Yes fitting expensive intercoolers allows you to run the car harder (it is why we don't do any tuning without at least fitting gt2rs intercoolers) but we took a different approach. Intercoolers in our opinion are a bandaid, a very important one of course. What we examined is why the iats rose/timing retard/boost dropping on vtg cars once you get into 4th gear etc. We worked in conjunction with another Company, conducted extensive testing, and between us created a component which significantly reduces the above issues. That cost 9e five figures in R&D and development. We don't sell the solution, nor do we discuss what the solution is. It has given us a serious competitive edge, so much so that the only way a customer can have this solution is by purchasing the appropriate 9e package. And from our perspective is will also work on later generations, despite Porsche making it even harder in their quest for more instant response. We have been through 3 generations of this solution with one customer. The first generation didn't work very well, the second generation made a significant improvement, so much that the solution ran 201gps at 1.6 miles at Vmax event. The latter generation of the solution, which ran at the last vmax, ran 201gps again but in only 1.35 miles. We reduced iats by over 8 degrees across the board by changing the component between generation 2 and 3 of the solution. The customer kindly allowed for his car to be used as a test car and benefited in that he did not pay for the updates. No changes were made to anything else between those two runs at Vmax. Simply swopped out the gen 2 component for the gen 3 component. No change to tuning or any other hardware. It is also not a question that we understate hp - we never state it in the first place, given only a guide. The solution above does not generate more hp as such, what it does is retain the hp, just like a good intercooler does. Instead we prefer to prove the packages in the public arena, either with our own cars or customers. K.

IMIA said: Thanks David. Can you keep us updated? As an aside how's your GT2 compared to your old GT3 RS?! Sure will update thoughts when they enter mind.. The GT2 is now set up with exactly same suspension, wheels, gearshift, steering, wheels & slicks as the GT3RS plus has 150bhp more so great fun as you can imagine. Just can't wait for Spa next month. Have fitted it with 4 camera system and data logger and in next month or so will post a load of videos on line of Mr Wilds doing his stuff around all the best tracks in UK and Europe. Should help us all keep on the black stuff:-)

IMIA said: http://shop.jzmporsche.com/porsche-carbon-ceramic-... Has anyone tried the surface transforms ceramics? ^^^^ There is an ad/post in the 7GT2/3 section on Rennlist for the people below, they are using ST discs and the stuff looks awesome all the gear below for about £10K + import taxes. Only problem is the disc sizes do not correspond with what ST would sell you (for Porsche 380mm application) it looks like they are using a disc made for a corvette or something, may not matter but a lot of money and trust..... Or how about these bad boys from Sicom (they are the company that can do a refurb of your existing PCCBs) run at about £10.5K

TB993tt said: Lastly Ken did not struggle with VTGs pulling timing for 6-7 years because I don't think Ken even owned a Porsche 7 years ago and 9E didn't exist until 4 years ago Actually my friend longer in Porsche ownership. 9e is 4 years old and we celebrated in testing by running over 370kph for several minutes with a top speed in excess of 403kph (250mph) in private testing recently. Just don't expect us to 500kph to celebrate when we reach 5 years

Nineexcellence said: Actually my friend longer in Porsche ownership. 9e is 4 years old and we celebrated in testing by running over 370kph for several minutes with a top speed in excess of 403kph (250mph) in private testing recently. Just don't expect us to 500kph to celebrate when we reach 5 years Where is this 20 mile straight, don't tell me you shipped it over to the Bonneville salt flats Be careful out there you crazy mother f kers

TB993tt said: Where is this 20 mile straight, don't tell me you shipped it over to the Bonneville salt flats Be careful out there you crazy mother f%%kers 13 miles long straight piece of road. Then turn around and went for a top speed run - was still pulling hard but became very .

Dave Sums said: IMIA said: Thanks David. Can you keep us updated? As an aside how's your GT2 compared to your old GT3 RS?! Sure will update thoughts when they enter mind.. The GT2 is now set up with exactly same suspension, wheels, gearshift, steering, wheels & slicks as the GT3RS plus has 150bhp more so great fun as you can imagine. Just can't wait for Spa next month. Have fitted it with 4 camera system and data logger and in next month or so will post a load of videos on line of Mr Wilds doing his stuff around all the best tracks in UK and Europe. Should help us all keep on the black stuff:-) Look forward to the vids - sounds like a monster!

Nineexcellence said: TB993tt said: Lastly Ken did not struggle with VTGs pulling timing for 6-7 years because I don't think Ken even owned a Porsche 7 years ago and 9E didn't exist until 4 years ago Actually my friend longer in Porsche ownership. 9e is 4 years old and we celebrated in testing by running over 370kph for several minutes with a top speed in excess of 403kph (250mph) in private testing recently. Just don't expect us to 500kph to celebrate when we reach 5 years Getting tantalisingly close to the world production car record maestro - be good to see a British flag and 9e at the top of the list The Hennessey Venom GT hit 270.49mph at the Kennedy Space Center on February 14th, thus becoming the fastest production car in the world by beating the Bugatti Veyron Super Sport's previous record of 269.86 mph.

IMIA said: Dave Sums said: IMIA said: Thanks David. Can you keep us updated? As an aside how's your GT2 compared to your old GT3 RS?! Sure will update thoughts when they enter mind.. The GT2 is now set up with exactly same suspension, wheels, gearshift, steering, wheels & slicks as the GT3RS plus has 150bhp more so great fun as you can imagine. Just can't wait for Spa next month. Have fitted it with 4 camera system and data logger and in next month or so will post a load of videos on line of Mr Wilds doing his stuff around all the best tracks in UK and Europe. Should help us all keep on the black stuff:-) Look forward to the vids - sounds like a monster! We are planning on releasing a video at some point during the year when the weather is better and we can turn the power up.

TB993tt said: IMIA said: Mr RS should defo have a word with his UK agent Parr Motorsport. Lawrence at Parrs own words were, "RS tuning modify your OEM turbos and fix vanes in fully open position. Result is not as wide power band but when you're in the zone above 3-4000 rpm they really come into their own and the car is more urgent." Their demo car was a peach but God knows what he was talking about re fixing the variable vanes as he sounded pretty convincing - maybe Mr RS does not want to give his trade secrets away or may be they reprogramme the vanes to stay open for more time? Who knows? Ken Napier will not tell me how they've managed to find a solution to their VTGS pulling timing lol (a problem they struggled with for 6-7 years with VTGS which initially put me off tuning my VTGS) so these guys do all keep trade R&D secrets to themselves! As I mentioned earlier in this thread I was all set to go with Parr but the allure of the GT2 turbos was too hard to resist. 9e were also a bit more flexible. By way of example RS Tuning did not want me to use a Europipe 100 cel stage 2 exhaust with their package as they'd not tested it (totally understandable but I felt I was getting an inferior exhaust with their Cargraphic 200 cel exhaust which was all that was on offer with their 997.1 stage 4 kit). Something may have got lost in the translation on both the VTG turbos and exhaust as later after I'd sent the car to 9e instead Parr did say they would have worked something out on the Europipe exhaust. Hopefully see you and your beasty at VMAX on 7th March? I've been trying to hint to you in previous posts that much of what "tuners" tell you should be taken with a pinch of salt, for many years snake oil has been well and truly force fed into us poor punters. Firstly Parr Motorsport are NOT and never have been an "agent" for RS Tuning. Parr's relationship was with Cargraphic. The Cargraphic car whose pic is on their website had two versions of engine tune both with working VTGs. The original tune was 624PS/826NM standard internals but Secan intercoolers to allow the high power reliably (in terms of maintaining the power through IAT control). The second rebuild had different pistons and Carillos and was around 680PS/900NM, this was the engine which propelled that 1519kg car (in the pic) from 0-200 in 9.1s and 0-300 in 23.8s (in the Sport Auto test). RS Tuning have not built any other engines for CG since then in fact I understand they don't speak much now. So you thinking that you may have been "considering" an RS Tuning build is wide of the mark, like I said many "tuners" feed you "stuff". You say above that RS Tuning wanted you to use the CG 200 cell exhaust ? I can tell you that RS do not use 200 cell cats, they only use 100 cell Motorsport (expensive) HJS cats. My guess is that if you had gone with Parr you would have got a kit put together by CG with a program from either Parr or CG's new program supplier, sure they all like to say it is from RS but whilst it may be similar and I'm sure CG know a lot of RS's suppliers it ain't the same as RS want premium prices for their proprietary components. Lastly Ken did not struggle with VTGs pulling timing for 6-7 years because I don't think Ken even owned a Porsche 7 years ago and 9E didn't exist until 4 years ago Hi Toby, been doing a bit of research on Parr and whilst I accept they may not be RS Tuning agents I'm pretty sure they have a good relationship with RS Tuning. Firstly their car which I drove is brilliant. http://www.parr-uk.co.uk/Parr%20997%20Turbo%20feat... Also there was a long discussion about intercoolers and which exhaust I would use over a period of 6 months. The guys at Parr specifically said they would have to check with RS Tuning on the intercoolers and exhaust not Cargraphic as their software had not been tested with those bits of hardware so they would not be able to then guarantee the 624 ps stage 4 package. Parr runs Carrera Cup GB and one of their drivers is doing pretty well in Pro Am 2: http://www.porsche.com/uk/motorsportandevents/moto... http://www.porsche.com/uk/motorsportandevents/moto... I can't see guys with this sort of pedigree pulling the wool over their customers eyes. In fact I'd have more faith in Parr or 9e for that matter than I would an OPC in terms of looking after my car moving forward. I hadn't appreciated Parr has been around as a Porsche Motorsport specialist for 30 + years.

IMIA said: Hi Toby, been doing a bit of research on Parr and whilst I accept they may not be RS Tuning agents I'm pretty sure they have a good relationship with RS Tuning. Firstly their car which I drove is brilliant. http://www.parr-uk.co.uk/Parr%20997%20Turbo%20feat... Also there was a long discussion about intercoolers and which exhaust I would use over a period of 6 months. The guys at Parr specifically said they would have to check with RS Tuning on the intercoolers and exhaust not Cargraphic as their software had not been tested with those bits of hardware so they would not be able to then guarantee the 624 ps stage 4 package. I don't know Parr and from what you say they do seem a decent outfit. I was pointing out that Parr will deal with RS through CG, RS have only "built" two engines for CG and haven't actually done anything with CG for a few years since they appeared to stop talking -for reasons unkown but CG went through a fair transition with the Schnarr brothers splitting the company. This silver car in your link has a Cargraphic engine build from what I can see, 200 cell HD cats (like I said before RS only use 100 cell Motorsport), carbon air pipe (RS don't use these), larger throttle body - RS tested these and doesn't use them at this level of tune, and most tellingly it states it has larger intercoolers yet the price for the kit is £20K ? The price from CG when RS developed this kit was 47592 Euro + MwSt and in late 2013 that would have been £48K !!! this is with the ridiculously expensive intercoolers and we (Parr included by the looks) know RS would not sell the kit without their coolers. Doesn't quite add up does it.

TB993tt said: IMIA said: Hi Toby, been doing a bit of research on Parr and whilst I accept they may not be RS Tuning agents I'm pretty sure they have a good relationship with RS Tuning. Firstly their car which I drove is brilliant. http://www.parr-uk.co.uk/Parr%20997%20Turbo%20feat... Also there was a long discussion about intercoolers and which exhaust I would use over a period of 6 months. The guys at Parr specifically said they would have to check with RS Tuning on the intercoolers and exhaust not Cargraphic as their software had not been tested with those bits of hardware so they would not be able to then guarantee the 624 ps stage 4 package. I don't know Parr and from what you say they do seem a decent outfit. I was pointing out that Parr will deal with RS through CG, RS have only "built" two engines for CG and haven't actually done anything with CG for a few years since they appeared to stop talking -for reasons unkown but CG went through a fair transition with the Schnarr brothers splitting the company. This silver car in your link has a Cargraphic engine build from what I can see, 200 cell HD cats (like I said before RS only use 100 cell Motorsport), carbon air pipe (RS don't use these), larger throttle body - RS tested these and doesn't use them at this level of tune, and most tellingly it states it has larger intercoolers yet the price for the kit is £20K ? The price from CG when RS developed this kit was 47592 Euro + MwSt and in late 2013 that would have been £48K !!! this is with the ridiculously expensive intercoolers and we (Parr included by the looks) know RS would not sell the kit without their coolers. Doesn't quite add up does it. On the intercoolers they switched from Secan to some fellow in France who I get the impression is not around anymore. Without Secan coolers £20k + vat is about right when you look at current exchange rates of 1.3 Euros to the £1. With Secans it would be £36k + VAT ish less the cost of the GT2 RS coolers. Remember 997 turbo/GT2 is now a very old platform so I can understand why the Likes of CG etc have moved onto tuning 991/Cayman/Boxster/Cayenne etc. All those carbon bits and throttle bodies etc are CG bits available on their website. RS Tuning do the bulk of the work i.e. provide the software and modify the turbos on CG's packages or they did. As you're aware obviously same on engine build where RS Tuning carry out the builds. I don't thing the bulk of CGs work would be based on engine builds. Cg's in the business of selling maps and exhausts mostly - thats their bread and butter so it doesn't surprise me that only two cars were prepared by RS Tuning for them. I reckon the 624 PS car CG were touting around various tests was really built 680 PS car. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMnPzRYiqbk The Parr car I drove basically has the same engine as above youtube clip and whilst its not got all the carbon fibre lightening by 150kgs its certainly not as good or fast as the CG car in the clip. You can't have what I'd describe as a really fast car without building the engine - no chance. Edited by IMIA on Tuesday 10th February 12:59

IMIA said: it doesn't surprise me that only two cars were prepared by RS Tuning for them. I reckon the 624 PS car CG were touting around various tests was really built 680 PS car. Just to clarify it was 2 engine builds (on the same car) which RS did. The black car in the vid started off with 624PS/82XNM and got TUV approval, they then developed it further mindful that that the rods were at risk since other customer's cars (RS Customers) had bent their rods at these levels. The further development was different pistons and Carillos and tuned up to ~680PS it was in this level of tune that Sport Auto tested it in that group test with 0-300 in 23.8s - they wrote 624PS in the specs but that was because the cars had to be full TUV approved..... This car received a wrap in white and when CG had it for sale recently they offered it with 624PS and TUV papers or for export with 680PS - same car !

TB993tt said: IMIA said: it doesn't surprise me that only two cars were prepared by RS Tuning for them. I reckon the 624 PS car CG were touting around various tests was really built 680 PS car. Just to clarify it was 2 engine builds (on the same car) which RS did. The black car in the vid started off with 624PS/82XNM and got TUV approval, they then developed it further mindful that that the rods were at risk since other customer's cars (RS Customers) had bent their rods at these levels. The further development was different pistons and Carillos and tuned up to ~680PS it was in this level of tune that Sport Auto tested it in that group test with 0-300 in 23.8s - they wrote 624PS in the specs but that was because the cars had to be full TUV approved..... This car received a wrap in white and when CG had it for sale recently they offered it with 624PS and TUV papers or for export with 680PS - same car ! Thanks Tony - thats v.helpful. I'll definitely have to have my engine built at some stage.

IMIA said: TB993tt said: IMIA said: it doesn't surprise me that only two cars were prepared by RS Tuning for them. I reckon the 624 PS car CG were touting around various tests was really built 680 PS car. Just to clarify it was 2 engine builds (on the same car) which RS did. The black car in the vid started off with 624PS/82XNM and got TUV approval, they then developed it further mindful that that the rods were at risk since other customer's cars (RS Customers) had bent their rods at these levels. The further development was different pistons and Carillos and tuned up to ~680PS it was in this level of tune that Sport Auto tested it in that group test with 0-300 in 23.8s - they wrote 624PS in the specs but that was because the cars had to be full TUV approved..... This car received a wrap in white and when CG had it for sale recently they offered it with 624PS and TUV papers or for export with 680PS - same car ! Thanks Tony - thats v.helpful. I'll definitely have to have my engine built at some stage. You will for a 9eXX

Little bit of an update. My cars just been back from a complimentary service at OPC Hatfield. The service guys there were literally blown away by the 9e 28 package and commented on how well thought out they feel the upgrades are. Service guy said if I ever decide to sell her he'd like first right of refusal to buy my baby! She passed her MOT with flying colours and it turns out that I only covered 5000 miles last year. I've had her back a few months since 9e carried out their alchemy and I have already covered 3000 miles! She used to be my daily driver so I never really bothered taking her on any special runs. I now take her out at every opportunity which speaks for itself. She's run faultlessly apart from on a hard two hour midnight run her high flow IPD Y pipe came off very slightly. It was easy enough to get back on and tighten the jubilee clip. I'm running a competition 82mm IPD plenum with GT3 throttle body which is a first on this package. On previous customers cars 9e used the 74mm IPD plenum. I lose some mid range punch but gain at the top end with the larger plenum. Imagine sucking air through a larger straw - its that much more difficult but when the GT2 turbos are lit the extra flow gives her more power and torque at the top end. I'm v.happy with this latest upgrade to the 9e 28 package as its mid range torque which blows up engines on modified cars and the trade off with a v.strong top end is worth it in my book. We shall find out if this latest tweak has given me a bit more power for sure at VMAX on the 7th of March where I will VBOX and video some 0-300 kph runs - really looking forward to the event very much. Pic of the Y Pipe which had blown itself off with all the extra power. Its not happened since and I've covered over 1000 miles since it happened. She's got a bit mucky so decided to give her a good wash today. Before. After. [url] |http://thumbsnap.com/hWbbZhcC[/url] So verdict after 3000 miles. My wife is convinced I'm going to lose my license or worse. She reminds me I have four children and can't understand why I pop out at 12am for an occasional hoon - think she may suspect I'm having an affair My best friend says that he thinks I'd be better off with a new Lambo or Fezza and that I should sell my car to him immediately lol! Other road users including Ferrari drivers now give her the Me, I waited 8 years before upgrading her with which for me are arguably the best after market components currently available on the market without rebuilding an engine with forged internals. Was i right to wait 8 years? Yes in my book because every single other VTG upgrade package results in timing being pulled after a few runs in 4th, 5th and 6th gears. Ken has only recently revealed the tech he's used to over come this issue with VTGs (I think he may have thought I was a spy from a competitor!). I have to say 9e's solution to help counter this well documented issue is ingenious. I cannot unfortunately reveal much more but 9e found a solution by turning the problem upside down and focussing on the core of the problem rather than the effect as competitors have done. Ken in the past has always been quite derogatory about Porsche using VTGs but ironically 9e's VTG solution may open up the door to 9e becoming the market leader tuning Porsches later turbo platforms such as 997.2 turbo and 991 turbo. With all 911s becoming turbocharged the future looks quite bright for 9e. What many people do not realise is that they're just as enthusiastic about Caymans, Boxsters, Pannys, Cayennes and Carreras, vintage and classic Porsches as they are turbos. Any other upgrades planned? For now I'm happy. Yes motorsport suspension will improve her but I do not want to ruin her supple ride. Carbon brakes from Surface Transforms are on the cards at some stage maybe but the stock steel Porsche brakes for road use are up to the job. Adios, I shall report back after VMAX. Watch this space....

Great car glad your loving it !

Looking and sounding like you have a sorted car there. Not sure about the midnight hoons though!

TB: Thanks for that info. the SICOM PCCB discs, rotors and pads work out at around £10k inc. is that not about the same as OEM on a 997 Turbo or, are the OEM re-placements even more than that? Also, roughly how many times can I re-laminate a de-laminated set of front PCCB disks with light-track day use ?

Any updates to this story? What happened in the end...be keen to know what colour they surprised the owner with.

Well done for remembering Julian Where has OP gone? GT2 spoilers will look great when car is painted

No posts since Oct 2021, hope all's OK.

I've spoken to him recently. Probably busy that's all.

200Plus Club said: I've spoken to him recently. Probably busy that's all. Good to hear and looking forward to seeing the new look.

Just seen another update on 911UK. Its started

Desert Dragon said: RS in Gulf looks hot. That looks fantastic, the silver one behind looks really dull

I'd personally go Mint Green or RS Green although love Gulf Blue too.

Although I always felt that colour suited the bijou 964RS particularly well ... is it little "in your face" on the larger cars ?

Less paint more turbos please!

Desert Dragon said: Just seen another update on 911UK. Its started Got a link as OP has disappeared from here?

Sos link on PCGB. Not much to see other than a previous quarter panel replacement worse than the non franchised repair in some respects. This one definitely needed a full send can't wait to see finished article shouldn't be too long now. https://www.porscheclubgb.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=1103...

Just had a quick look myself on there. Wow!

Stunning colour, 1of1 for sure...

Mint Green?

Just seen this on Facebook.

weird though that after 20 pages of dialog with him he gives up the ghost. Maybe he has been banned? It looks sensational and would be nice to let him know. Would love to see what they did with the interior. Edited by julian987R on Tuesday 9th August 20:39

IMI A said: Hahaha I see PH hasn't changed one iota. I do not think I can ever beat this post hence au revoir PH She will be on display at 9e for a few weeks. If you'd like to have look around or any queries on costs etc Ken happy to share. Blimey, it looks sensational. You must be thrilled. Are the seat backs painted mint too? (can't tell with the covers on them). So, if i recall, they chose this colour and surprised you yep? And you are leaving PH? why?

Minty2 now looks as fast as she goes! 600+@ wheels and those looks is a nice combo

Not sure if that was a pop at me? The GT2 kit looks sensational and colour is purely personal. I loved FG but if MG striking too, nice link back to that 964 turbo colour IIRC

At around £30k for that transformation, I'd say that's a bit of a bargain!

would look great with seat backs in matching MG

Looks terrific! Enjoy OP.

simonsti said: At around £30k for that transformation, I'd say that's a bit of a bargain! This! Looks amazing!

Adam. said: would look great with seat backs in matching MG Missed opportunity there if they haven’t. I did query if they had done it. Hard to tell from the pics with the protection sheets on them.

I'm speaking to 9e who have tuned this to circa 700PS and popping up to see this magnificent car at OPC Reading again later this month. I have a time warp 2006 997 turbo and there's a strong temptation to pick up the phone to 9e/OPC Reading. Costs : 9e 28 power kit : £26k +VAT (700ps this includes genuine 997 GT2 turbos with hybrid 62mm 9e compressor wheels, competition intercoolers, sports exhaust etc) GT2 body kit : £32k (with 25% discount via 9e and £6k plus VAT to fit) GT Chassis : £10k +VAT ( inc Tractive touring, GT2 front/rear arb, GT2 brake cooling, GT2 engine and gearbox mounts) Brembo GT :£5k + VAT PTS Mint Grun : £30k + VAT (via Porsche Special Ops @ PRG Reading i.e. Muriel who I am meeting with OP) OP has done all this in two stages ie power and chassis. Then aero etc but you know compared to what we are paying to restore air-cooled this list of Porsche Motorsport inspired parts (or better) upgrades are fabulous value IMO. I'm going to have a drive courtesy of OP in Sept after 9e shake her down and report back.

I’m not sure that I would call it good value in any way shape or form, the numbers are ridiculous. That doesn’t stop it from being utterly amazing I might point out! If it’s exactly what one man wants and he’s comfortable with the spend then fair play to him, what they’ve achieved with his considerable spend is indeed lovely.

I agree in one hit you look at it and think just buy a GT2. But in stages when your old chassis is worn or brakes shot etc?....Wunderbar. Sie ist perfekt

Tis a shame (to me) Love the kit, love the wheels but forest green would look better IMVHO Sorry : Edited by Adam. on Friday 12th August 08:42

Flipping heck that’s £131k of mods Assume £50k for the donor car What does a GT2 go for these days if you can find one (all RS versions in PH classifieds)

GT2 circa £130k. A PTS GT2 if you can find one maybe £200k as GT2 RS now £395k. But just look at it. I'd have that over any GT2 or GT2 RS. I don't think a 991 GT2 RS would see which way Minty went on a greasy wet UK road in. You'd need a 991 or 992 turbo s to stay with Minty IMO and I've driven both I prefer my own manual turbo. Few vids of the car performing earlier in this thread. It's fast. Very fast.

looks stunning - congrats This reminded me again about how much I miss my GT2

Having done over 200+mph in it on a number of occasions and road driven it I can confidently say its looks now match the power. Absolutely awesome thing. You can also potter around with the ac on without any issues too!

I have nothing but admiration for what OP has achieved here and his financial dedication to the cause. He has created a car exactly to his liking and I am sure is ecstatic with the results which look amazing. I don’t have the guts or need to go that fast so think my money would go on a GT2 plus PTS respray or more likely a 992TS which must be similarly quick Has IMI A posted a Vmax video vs a 992TS?

Adam. said: Flipping heck that’s £131k of mods Assume £50k for the donor car What does a GT2 go for these days if you can find one (all RS versions in PH classifieds) I'd do the same if I had the funds to create something special and unique like that for myself!

Very fast dd 911.

Hahaha I see PH hasn't changed one iota. I do not think I can ever beat this post hence au revoir PH She will be on display at 9e for a few weeks. If you'd like to have look around or any queries on costs etc Ken happy to share. Finally many thanks to Porsche Central Operations PRG and in particular Muriel Warthmann, Andy Keywood, and Ian Chapple and their wonderful team @ PRG Reading. If you love your Porsche and want to restore or upgrade etc all these fine people can make your dreams happen contact details below. Thanks to Ken, Adam, 9e, Scott @ SMC detailing too. You've all genuinely hit a home run with Minty 2 Edited to say are we sure julian987R isn't in fact the famous 911R aka David? I will update this post from time to time i.e. when interior etc done if that is you David just for you. Love hearts for you Exhaust tips on. Didn't have to change anything other than tips as Europipe 1 & 2 are plug and play on both 997.1 turbo and 997 GT2. That exhaust is 76mm throughout so the tips are bigger than a regular 997 GT2 too She is finished and at 9e for next few weeks being shaken down. Some down force an ordinary 997 turbo and 997 Carrera S have a fair bit of lift at 170mph so this aero really is beneficial at higher speeds I regularly do on track. Literally back to the future they have given me back a car built better than factory did in 2007. Paint quality is show car finish. Porsche Special Ops have told me they have too much work on for Porsche GB so will not be doing any of these restomods straight out of Porsche Central Operations, Reading for the forseeeable future. I've advised Andy Keywood that if they do perhaps ever have bandwidth for another customer 911 I will buy an old beat up 964 RS and we can do a 3.8 RS which is my favourite Porsche For the interior will drive her as is for now and maybe send her for a full bespoke interior retrim in cioccallato leather and alcantra (Ferrari Trim Option) to Porsche Classic AG who are doing some amazing work on old Porsches. This work Reading have carried out on mine to exterior very comparable and vid below of what Porsche Classic AG can do - awesome. She'd win a concours no problem at all IMO. In fact will take her to R21 next year. Already won completely unexpectedly in 2019 for a bit of fun with Yellow Peril. I bet Minty follows in my old 993's footsteps. You should have seen the black CGTs owners face when my yellow beetle got best over all car at R21. His face was priceless. If its any consolation I'd have given first place to the CGT but judges were all unanimous.Yellow Peril had the x factor that day for them One of the final touches to this build hence glad we’ve been patient. Ken/9e kindly sourced some as new heated folding buckets. Webbing via 9e to mint green. Can’t be many 997s with heated folding buckets as heating was only a cost option on 991 folding buckets which were themselves optional. These are no longer in production and you can’t even buy them from Porsche AG. Very happy indeed get car back end of this month after 15 months. Final few touches before delivery from 9e. Mesh to grill area. Covered 1000 miles in Minty since completion. If I could only pick one area of my 997 to update out of all the amazing work by 9e/PCO on powertrain, aero, new paint, interior etc it would have to be the Tractive suspension, RSS rear toe steer kit and GT2 engine and gearbox mounts. I was sceptical about Tractive. Minty has been absolutely transformed in terms of murdering UKs wet and leafy b roads. Body control is now at levels you'd imagine a world rally car down a bumpy tarmac section. You could offer me any of the modern supercars which I've also had the pleasure of driving as friends own like F12, 600LT, 992 turbo s. I'd not swap. That good. Okay I'd kick her out of bed for a CGT or Singer DLS money no object but would I then still be out on cold, dark and wet winter mornings for a dawn raids? Brilliant and transformational if you like fast road driving. Ende gut, alles gut Edited by IMI A on Thursday 27th October 12:10

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Going to watch that later after this awful England game

Desert Dragon said: Good to put a face to the name Desert Dragon

Ha I wish Minty was my car! PH so funny.

Desert Dragon said: Ha I wish Minty was my car! PH so funny. I meant the interviewer

A bit late to this chat, but 9e are an excellent company to deal with and look after me and my Porsche. 2nd the OP has done a great job on the car and personally i do not like the colour but it is your car, your money and your choice but well done keep enjoying the car.

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I thought those rims are forged alloy, not magnesium

MDL111 said: I thought those rims are forged alloy, not magnesium You can have forged magnesium alloy or forged aluminium alloy The F1's are to the best of my knowledge forged aluminium alloy, not magnesium alloy. Edit to add :

Hell of a passion project, and hell of a spend

Slippydiff said: You can have forged magnesium alloy or forged aluminium alloy The F1's are to the best of my knowledge forged aluminium alloy, not magnesium alloy. Edit to add : Thx yes I meant aluminium - thought so, as I looked into buying them ages ago snd would have remembered if they were magnesium