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Makes total sense, even after you factor in the running costs (c. £2k p.a.). Having had 986s and a 996, I’d assume the biggest difference between them as a daily is having a roof. I only notice the mid v rear difference when pushing on.

We already have a 986 Boxster (not a real Porsche apparently). I massively prefer driving it to out Cupra Born (lease car) I normally lease cars through my Ltd Co, spend about £10-12k over 2 years, so over 4 years heading towards £25k for something I never actually own. I lease as I see no point in owning a depreciating asset.........however. 996 values must be bottoming out (especially nice ones), so they appear to be a cheap proposition. Some basic man maths tells me that after 4 years, the 996 would basically be free (other than repairs/maintenance) So would it be utter madness to daily something like this (we do about 6k miles a year) https://www.manorgaragebox.co.uk/used/porsche/911-... Edited by CallMeLegend on Wednesday 29th October 10:48 Edited by CallMeLegend on Wednesday 29th October 10:51

Nope. I daily mine.

I could only afford to keep my 996 C2 manual for about 9 months so drove it every day. I have previous though. I ran a BMW E21 as a daily for years, as I also did with an E30 M3 track car. You're a long time dead. Edited by Mark-BMW-E30-318is on Wednesday 29th October 11:03

said: You're a long time dead. Was having this conversation with SWMBO the other day. Time is rattling buy. In the blink of an eye I've gone from 50 to 53, and it scares me how fast time is moving on. There's a strong chance 20-25years is all I've got left. Edited by CallMeLegend on Wednesday 29th October 11:25

I have daily'd a 996 on and off for 15 years, 140,000 miles. Usual service and maintenance every year and its a joy.

chris-e said: I have daily'd a 996 on and off for 15 years, 140,000 miles. Usual service and maintenance every year and its a joy. That's my thinking, buy a lowish mileage one & even if I put 102k miles on it over 15years or so, there's still some value in it (granted not much)

CallMeLegend said: chris-e said: I have daily'd a 996 on and off for 15 years, 140,000 miles. Usual service and maintenance every year and its a joy. That's my thinking, buy a lowish mileage one & even if I put 102k miles on it over 15years or so, there's still some value in it (granted not much) I'd not worry about miles personally, just buy a good one and enjoy, turn it into a high miles hero like GPM's https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Jhonno said: CallMeLegend said: chris-e said: I have daily'd a 996 on and off for 15 years, 140,000 miles. Usual service and maintenance every year and its a joy. That's my thinking, buy a lowish mileage one & even if I put 102k miles on it over 15years or so, there's still some value in it (granted not much) I'd not worry about miles personally, just buy a good one and enjoy, turn it into a high miles hero like GPM's https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... I was reading that thread only yesterday!

I used my old 996 as a daily for over 2 years. 40k miles added to a total of 130k. The car works best when used. I am now doing the same with a 991 - now on 93k miles. This might be the car I take to 500k miles as I can't see myself justifying the outlay for a newer car.

Well, it depends. The two things to consider: -it's a 20 year old car so needs keeping in good order. Things like suspension and related bushes are knackered. It also costs more to run in general than an EV I am guessing. I'm assuming the IMS and RMS are accounted for according to your own research, luck and understanding of probability and risk. -your own desire for comfort and ease. I am about to drive an hour through light to moderate traffic including rush hour traffic in a tiptronic Turbo in suburban and moderately fast roads, and tbh I really can't be arsed. I'll be knackered when I get back and still have work to do. It's fine on a weekend drive, though, in fact good fun. 20 years ago, I used to commute daily through stop-start London traffic in a road-going drag Skyline R32 GTR with a triple plate clutch and a dustbin lid single turbo. It was very much the wrong car to drive in traffic but once you hit the A3 dual carriageway... Thing is, I couldn't even be arsed to drive that on a weekend now.

I daily a maserati, I;'d have no issue dailying a 996

Hoofy said: Well, it depends. The two things to consider: -it's a 20 year old car so needs keeping in good order. Things like suspension and related bushes are knackered. It also costs more to run in general than an EV I am guessing. I'm assuming the IMS and RMS are accounted for according to your own research, luck and understanding of probability and risk. -your own desire for comfort and ease. I am about to drive an hour through light to moderate traffic including rush hour traffic in a tiptronic Turbo in suburban and moderately fast roads, and tbh I really can't be arsed. I'll be knackered when I get back and still have work to do. It's fine on a weekend drive, though, in fact good fun. 20 years ago, I used to commute daily through stop-start London traffic in a road-going drag Skyline R32 GTR with a triple plate clutch and a dustbin lid single turbo. It was very much the wrong car to drive in traffic but once you hit the A3 dual carriageway... Thing is, I couldn't even be arsed to drive that on a weekend now. It's a 20yr old car, and can be maintained easy enough. Other cars are susceptible to bush/suspension wear also. I honestly would say that is your own issue there.. Driving in London is s t and tiring in any car. I probably find my 996 less tiring to drive than my E46 330i. In fact I've done 8hrs seat time in 1 day in it and been no more tired than I would have been in any other car I've owned.

If the tyre noise in a C2 is anything like my Turbo it would be the one thing that would probably put me off (if I was doing big motorway miles regularly)

Jhonno said: Hoofy said: Well, it depends. The two things to consider: -it's a 20 year old car so needs keeping in good order. Things like suspension and related bushes are knackered. It also costs more to run in general than an EV I am guessing. I'm assuming the IMS and RMS are accounted for according to your own research, luck and understanding of probability and risk. -your own desire for comfort and ease. I am about to drive an hour through light to moderate traffic including rush hour traffic in a tiptronic Turbo in suburban and moderately fast roads, and tbh I really can't be arsed. I'll be knackered when I get back and still have work to do. It's fine on a weekend drive, though, in fact good fun. 20 years ago, I used to commute daily through stop-start London traffic in a road-going drag Skyline R32 GTR with a triple plate clutch and a dustbin lid single turbo. It was very much the wrong car to drive in traffic but once you hit the A3 dual carriageway... Thing is, I couldn't even be arsed to drive that on a weekend now. It's a 20yr old car, and can be maintained easy enough. Other cars are susceptible to bush/suspension wear also. I honestly would say that is your own issue there.. Driving in London is s t and tiring in any car. I probably find my 996 less tiring to drive than my E46 330i. In fact I've done 8hrs seat time in 1 day in it and been no more tired than I would have been in any other car I've owned. 1) I'm saying it's a 20 year old car, so it's more likely to have issues, as long as the OPer is aware, that's great. I'd be surprised if his leased car needs a complete suspension refresh in the next year. 2) Maybe, it's something I'm highlighting as an issue to consider. I'm not the only one who drives in London... or it'd be fine. Also, my 20 year old TT is far nicer to drive in traffic than my Turbo. It feels more fun than a Golf. But also if you read carefully, I'm NOT driving my Turbo in London traffic any more. I was doing that kind of driving with my Skyline 20 years ago. Which is what I wrote already!

I've daily'd a 997 C2S and now daily a Maserati GranTurismo S (MC-Shift) Man maths, or being terrible at maths, forced me to do it!

I use my 996 C4S manual frequently - not quite daily - and live in Zone 2 London. Fun fact; it is easier to daily than my previous 997.2 C2 manual (lighter clutch action) and 996 Turbo manual (better throttle response). The running costs of these cars can be spectacular. On the face of it, non-Turbo/GT cars are a £20K car according to Autotrader and the like, but they're actually closer to the £30K mark if you're buying a "sorted" one or buying a £20K one and spending £10K getting it up to standard. These numbers assume the car does not require an engine rebuild due to IMS failure and/or cyclinder scoring of which some do. Best way to own one is to set aside £40K as you would have to do for many other used 911s, buy one for £20K, and earn interest on the warchest. If you get in an out without touching the warchest, you've done well.

I'd say a 996 is a perfect daily and you have endless options to make it a little more focused / sharp.

It will survive a lot better being dailied than parked up, especially at the age that they are. Ask me how I know.

Perhaps when I say "daily" I should clarify that. It would be used 3-4 times a week at most as I work from home.

perfect for that kind of uise id say

Hoofy said: Jhonno said: Hoofy said: Well, it depends. The two things to consider: -it's a 20 year old car so needs keeping in good order. Things like suspension and related bushes are knackered. It also costs more to run in general than an EV I am guessing. I'm assuming the IMS and RMS are accounted for according to your own research, luck and understanding of probability and risk. -your own desire for comfort and ease. I am about to drive an hour through light to moderate traffic including rush hour traffic in a tiptronic Turbo in suburban and moderately fast roads, and tbh I really can't be arsed. I'll be knackered when I get back and still have work to do. It's fine on a weekend drive, though, in fact good fun. 20 years ago, I used to commute daily through stop-start London traffic in a road-going drag Skyline R32 GTR with a triple plate clutch and a dustbin lid single turbo. It was very much the wrong car to drive in traffic but once you hit the A3 dual carriageway... Thing is, I couldn't even be arsed to drive that on a weekend now. It's a 20yr old car, and can be maintained easy enough. Other cars are susceptible to bush/suspension wear also. I honestly would say that is your own issue there.. Driving in London is s t and tiring in any car. I probably find my 996 less tiring to drive than my E46 330i. In fact I've done 8hrs seat time in 1 day in it and been no more tired than I would have been in any other car I've owned. 1) I'm saying it's a 20 year old car, so it's more likely to have issues, as long as the OPer is aware, that's great. I'd be surprised if his leased car needs a complete suspension refresh in the next year. 2) Maybe, it's something I'm highlighting as an issue to consider. I'm not the only one who drives in London... or it'd be fine. Also, my 20 year old TT is far nicer to drive in traffic than my Turbo. It feels more fun than a Golf. But also if you read carefully, I'm NOT driving my Turbo in London traffic any more. I was doing that kind of driving with my Skyline 20 years ago. Which is what I wrote already! OK, so the confusion here is the OP edited and added a lot of his post after he posted, which wasn't there when I read it, and I didn't notice the edits upon re-entry in to the thread. VS. a new lease car you are correct of course. But then he is spending 25k over a few years to own nothing currently. Apologies, I misread that you were about to drive across London in your Turbo.. However, I will maintain that certainly my C2, is no more tiring/worse to drive in traffic/cross country than any other car I've owned or driven. In fact i use it for longer journeys deliberately over my 330i (both manual). The only thing I sort of miss is cruise and my Android headunit vs, the 330i BUT then the traffic rarely allows for extended periods on cruise these days anyway, and I just use a phone mount for sat nav/co-pilot. However I will also accept it isn't as serene as a modern EV.

Jhonno said: OK, so the confusion here is the OP edited and added a lot of his post after he posted, which wasn't there when I read it, and I didn't notice the edits upon re-entry in to the thread. VS. a new lease car you are correct of course. But then he is spending 25k over a few years to own nothing currently. Apologies, I misread that you were about to drive across London in your Turbo.. However, I will maintain that certainly my C2, is no more tiring/worse to drive in traffic/cross country than any other car I've owned or driven. In fact i use it for longer journeys deliberately over my 330i (both manual). The only thing I sort of miss is cruise and my Android headunit vs, the 330i BUT then the traffic rarely allows for extended periods on cruise these days anyway, and I just use a phone mount for sat nav/co-pilot. However I will also accept it isn't as serene as a modern EV. Ah, fair enough. Sounds like the C2 is the right balance of fun/special and daily/usable. I'm surprised the 330i is not the choice for a cross-country trip (not driven one!). I just imagined it was more a "daily." Learn something new every day. Yeah, I have a phone mount with Google Maps for satnav. Suits me fine. Means I can also use a familiar front end if I jump in a hire car etc.

Makes total sense, even after you factor in the running costs (c. £2k p.a.). Having had 986s and a 996, I’d assume the biggest difference between them as a daily is having a roof. I only notice the mid v rear difference when pushing on.

Lots of us daily fried eggs. As others have says, they tend to enjoy being used more than they enjoy being parked up. As long as they're warmed up correctly, not used for short journeys, and maintained well (oil changes annually or every 6k miles using 10w/50 is recommended; ensure cooling system is in top nick), they make great daily drivers. Buy one that's had most of the common issues (control arms/bushes, shocks, rads/condensers, window regulators etc.) sorted already, budget around £2k per year for consumables and maintenance and then just enjoy it!

So hardly sales rep’ing in it then!? I dailied mine for the relatively short time I had it and it was fine. The only problem was that I didn’t really do my research (was going through some difficult personal circumstances at the time) so bought the first shiny one I saw at an independent. It unfortunately came with a host of all the ‘known’ 996 problems, which I put my hands up to not knowing about because I bought in haste. It was all sorted under third party warranty but some of the bills were eye-watering; I got cold feet about the running costs outside of warranty and consequently moved it on. In hindsight I could/should have stuck with it as all those big jobs were then sorted. I can tell you it was very enjoyable to drive and I saw a naughty speed that I’ve never witnessed since, which was hugely exciting at the time. On the Autobahn, obvs!

I 'daylied' a 996 C4 tip between 2002 and 2009 for 150k miles before the engine went 'pop' due to catastrophic IMS failure. Sold it to Hartech as I didn't have the funds for repairs at that time.

WojaWabbit said: Lots of us daily fried eggs. As others have says, they tend to enjoy being used more than they enjoy being parked up. As long as they're warmed up correctly, not used for short journeys, and maintained well (oil changes annually or every 6k miles using 10w/50 is recommended; ensure cooling system is in top nick), they make great daily drivers. Buy one that's had most of the common issues (control arms/bushes, shocks, rads/condensers, window regulators etc.) sorted already, budget around £2k per year for consumables and maintenance and then just enjoy it! What would you define as a short journey? I live in London so a trip to the shops would be about 10 mins in 20mph max roads. I'd love to have a 996 but I worried I'd ruin it since it would be my only car.

Do it. It will probably run better than one with half the miles that's only driven for 6 months of the year. These cars don't like being sat about doing nothing.

As above, do it. I can’t understand people who buy nice cars and leave them tucked away for the winter on a trickle charger. We daily two Porsche and never have an issue. Obviously if you are dealing with super rare exotica then that’s different, but 911s are made for driving.

MAXCHU said: WojaWabbit said: Lots of us daily fried eggs. As others have says, they tend to enjoy being used more than they enjoy being parked up. As long as they're warmed up correctly, not used for short journeys, and maintained well (oil changes annually or every 6k miles using 10w/50 is recommended; ensure cooling system is in top nick), they make great daily drivers. Buy one that's had most of the common issues (control arms/bushes, shocks, rads/condensers, window regulators etc.) sorted already, budget around £2k per year for consumables and maintenance and then just enjoy it! What would you define as a short journey? I live in London so a trip to the shops would be about 10 mins in 20mph max roads. I'd love to have a 996 but I worried I'd ruin it since it would be my only car. Yes, unfortunately, that would ruin the car in time - unless twice a week you were able to take it for a proper blast - 20/30 miles (at least) at highish speeds.

It'll depend on what your average daily miles will be in the car. The cars need to be warmed up properly and cooled down properly, for that matter. They also like to be revved above 4k rpms to lubricate the IMS bearing, if not already replaced. The Tip is ideal as a daily, but they're not as much fun as the manual. If you have a manual 986, you'll prefer it to the 911 Tip - if you have a 986 Tip, the 911 with the same box will be a lot better. For the car posted above, provided you keep on top of the maintenance, you could run it for 3 years and still be below the 50k miles and sell it for not much less than you're buying it for. If you can find a 4S in similar condition for similar money, that'll be the way to go in my view.

MAXCHU said: What would you define as a short journey? I live in London so a trip to the shops would be about 10 mins in 20mph max roads. I'd love to have a 996 but I worried I'd ruin it since it would be my only car. Take shank's pony or a taxi, it'll be cheaper than rebuilding a bore scored engine and you won't have the worry of knowing every such journey would be increasing the chances of bore scoring. Tiptronics worse for bore scoring than manuals as they're always trying to get into the highest gear possible, as quickly as possible, which in turn mean less/worse coolant flow through the block. My rules for my 996.2 (my weekends and fun days out car) are : NEVER let it idle to warm it up. Get in, start it, drive off immediately. You need to get the cold start cycle (and the excess fuel it injects in to the cylinders) over as soon as possible. Easy when you have a garage and don't need to clear snow and ice or misty screens on a cold morning ... No journeys of less than 20 minutes. Why would you... ? Keep the revs under 3k rpm until the coolant temp gauge is reading normal. Don't labour the engine whilst warming up, rather change down and keep the revs closer to 3k rpm. Once the water temp is up to optimal, allow another 5-10 minutes before thrashing it as hard as its maker intended. Regular oil and filter changes are key. 6k miles maximum. Edited by Slippydiff on Wednesday 7th January 12:32

Slippydiff said: MAXCHU said: What would you define as a short journey? I live in London so a trip to the shops would be about 10 mins in 20mph max roads. I'd love to have a 996 but I worried I'd ruin it since it would be my only car. Take shank's pony or a taxi, it'll be cheaper than rebuilding a bore scored engine and you won't have the worry of knowing every such journey would be increasing the chances of bore scoring. Tiptronics worse for bore scoring than manuals as they're always trying to get into the highest gear possible, as quickly as possible, which in turn mean less/worse coolant flow through the block. My rules for my 996.2 (my weekends and fun days out car) are : NEVER let it idle to warm it up. Get in, start it, drive off immediately. You need to get the cold start cycle (and the excess fuel it injects in to the cylinders) over as soon as possible. Easy when you have a garage and don't need to clear snow and ice or misty screens on a cold morning ... No journeys of less than 20 minutes. Why would you... ? Keep the revs under 3k rpm until the coolant temp gauge is reading normal. Don't labour the engine whilst warming up, rather change down and keep the revs closer to 3k rpm. Once the water temp is up to optimal, allow another 5-10 minutes before thrashing it as hard as its maker intended. Regular oil and filter changes are key. 6k miles maximum. Edited by Slippydiff on Wednesday 7th January 12:32 This. I applied same to my E30 M3 and my 312k mile VW Caddy.