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This is a known failure resulting from people replacing any type of sump plate (even stock) and was likely what killed my engine (sump installed by previous owner).

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Clean bottom parts of the engine

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What type of solvent did you use to clean the bottom parts of the engine.

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Install ln kit

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I threw mine out when I installed my LN kit...

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Install next

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The pickup spacer can be installed next.

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Install next, no sealant

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As you can see above, the plastic sump deflector is installed next, no sealant, with the three bolts torqued to 14nm.

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Install with more 241

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This just gets stacked up and installed with more 241, to 14nm.

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Clean bottom parts of the engine

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What type of solvent did you use to clean the bottom parts of the engine.

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Clean sealant is applied

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After cleaning, sealant is applied to the hartech sump, and the windage plate is installed.

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Fill amount and the

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Did you talk to Brandon about the oil fill amount and the

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Fill engine

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We recommend that when filling the engine with oil you run the oil level between 1/2 to full on the dipstick or dashboard oil readout."

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This is a known failure resulting from people replacing any type of sump plate (even stock) and was likely what killed my engine (sump installed by previous owner).

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Install ln kit

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I threw mine out when I installed my LN kit...

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Install next

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The pickup spacer can be installed next.

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Install next, no sealant

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As you can see above, the plastic sump deflector is installed next, no sealant, with the three bolts torqued to 14nm.

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Install with more 241

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This just gets stacked up and installed with more 241, to 14nm.

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Replace me

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Changed me for them but I know they fit correctly.

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POST 1Original post

The Hartech racing deep sump oil pan is a new(ish) deep sump product for M97 engines. Differing itself from others, this product integrates an additional windage tray with a custom-cast deep-sump pan, to hopefully maintain oil pressure on high-G cornering with R-compound tires . This thread is specifically intended to show how to install this deep sump system. Parts needed: Hartech Racing Sump, purchased through Slakker Racing Development; Hartech Racing Sump 986/987.1 Loctite 241 (blue) Disassembly First up, get the car up in the air. I built some wheel cribs that make it easy and stable. Once up, you can see my stock (dirty) oil pan: Once you've drained the oil and removed all 13 torx bolts, use a small pry bar to separate the pan from the block (gently). There are a few spots like the below pictured where it's easy to lever down against the pan lip. Of note, there is no oil pan gasket, just form-a-gasket, even from the factory: Once you've got it out, you've got yourself a mess, and can see the factory plastic sump deflector. Take caution not to break this part, as you need it later: A look at the Hartech Sump Moving to the hartech sump, you can see it's a pretty trick unit. All one piece cast and machined: The windage plate with baffles comes with, and sits on top once assembled: A hardware kit comes with it: Assembling the Hartech Sump First step, modify your factory plastic sump deflector. You might be able to see my measurement scratches, but here's the before and after: After cleaning, sealant is applied to the hartech sump, and the windage plate is installed. Loctite SI 5900 is used as the sealant here, then loctite 241 (blue) threadlocker on the four M6 button head screws, torqued to 10nm. Amazon.com As you can see above, the plastic sump deflector is installed next, no sealant, with the three bolts torqued to 14nm. Back to the Car The pickup spacer can be installed next. The kit provides the spacer, two new gaskets, and longer bolts. This just gets stacked up and installed with more 241, to 14nm. Of note, I have the later style oil aerators, so no other modification is necessary here. Stock: Spacer installed: Clean the block, removing as much of the old sealant as you can, as well as the oil from the bottom. Apply more Loctite SI 5900 to the block, and put the pan up. Wrapping Up I apologize for the fuzzy picture! Oil on the lens. At this point, it is recommended that you wait 12-24 hours for the Loctite 5900 to cure before adding oil. Assuming you didn't have any stripped oil pan bolt holes to deal with like I did, you're almost done. This pan sits about 36mm off the bottom of the block. This is about 20mm lower than the OEM pan hangs down. As a precautionary step, it's a good idea to install a skidplate. BONUS, LN Engineering Skid Install Hold the skid up to the car to see where it attaches. Two bolts at the front end of the trans skid need to be removed, and two engine brace bolts at the front of the engine need to be loosened . Do this, slide the skid above the trans skid *first, thread the bolts in by hand, then line up and raise the skid up at the front. Tighten all four fasteners you touched for this part good-n-tite, and call it a day. Finally, for those curious, the LN Engineering skidplate definitely works with the Hartech Racing Sump. Plenty of adjustment in the skid attachment points, and the sump is not too deep. EDIT: One last step I neglected to include. The rear most plastic belly pan needs to be trimmed to fit around the LN engineering skid. Pictured is it installed. You can see the rectangular chunk taken out. I could have cut it back farther, but I felt it was best to let the belly pan lay up against the leading edge of the skidplate for aero purposes: Overall, not an awful job, but it can be time consuming. I had three oil pan bolt holes in the block strip on me on pan install, torqueing to a measly 14nm. Irritating to say the least. Nothing that some drilling, tapping and helicoil-ing the block of your definitely not cheap Porsche engine block can't fix, lol. Happy Wrenching!!

POST 2Original post

If you find yourself in a position to consider helicoils (sorry for that circumstance) I highly recommend this instead, they are far superior IMO. ++ TIME-SERT Official Threaded inserts for stripped threads, blown out sparkplugs, (timesert.com)

POST 3Original post

I'm familiar with time-serts, but thanks for sharing! I had the appropriate helicoils in my toolbox, and I've never had one fail.

POST 4Original post

WOW! I want to thank @GLTHFJ60 for this outstanding DIY tech post. I'm flabbergasted at the quality.. simply one of the best I've seen. It's content like this that makes Planet-9 such a valuable resource for the Porsche owner! Thanks MUCH! And a big big thumbs up!

POST 5Original post

One thing I noted that's of interest to me (and possibly only to me) is the engine has the oil level sensor coming into the pan from the top of the sump (the photo with the stock oil pickup shows it clearly)... I know some other models use a level sensor that mounts upward through the bottom of the pan... this is clearly a better design when adding the larger capacity sump. The level remains the same, the oil pickup is deeper into the oil (less likely to suck air or bubbles) and a greater capacity of oil to make up for any trapped out in the head..

POST 6Original post

That's a good call out, and totally accurate. It's very convenient to be able to use the factory oil level sender as the factory intended, only difference being that there's more oil there when it reads F

POST 7Original post

What type of solvent did you use to clean the bottom parts of the engine. It looks great, and the LN skid plate fits, especilly with the one center rib being removed to allow a even space between the sump face and the skid plate. Hopefully many more Porsche Cayman 987.1 owners will also get the message that if they intend to track their M-97 engineed car, they too will need the Hartech sump.

POST 8Original post

Are you talking about internally or externally? Well I guess it doesn't matter, because I didn't clean the engine at all. It is (was) a stock 08 engine with 32k miles.

POST 9Original post

When I purchased my Hartech sump, I asked Brandon to include the baffle and swirl pots that Slakker Racing recommends. What I was looking at is the center outside rib was ground down by the oil plug . Looking across the installed sump with the LN skid plate, that rib if not removed could touch the skid plate. Mine is also ground flat to allow the engine not touch the LN skid plate.

POST 10Original post

It is as I received it from Slakker. Brandon @ Slakker told me to use the stock baffle cut down, and as my engine is later, no swirl pot change or modification was needed.

POST 11Original post

Did you talk to Brandon about the oil fill amount and the AOS . The LN 2 QT deep sump may have a problem with overfilling the sump and pushing the oil on top of the windage plate up the sidewalls into the AOS at the top of the sump. In their testing, they really liked the Hartech sump with 1 QT overfilled using a Porsche AOS . The result is very small deviations in oil pressure, even in very high G loads (1.6 G) from racing slicks and a 16 lap event. You can see the red line oil pressures in the LN graph vs the Hartech.

POST 12Original post

Yes, man. You've reposted this same info like 5 times on the forum in various places, lol. This thread is just to cover how to install the Hartech Racing Sump, not the whole setup for my car. That'll be a different thread in the future. I attached the instructions that were provided to me by Brandon @ Slakker Racing to the first post for you. Regarding oil level, it states: "The sump adds an extra 1.4 litres of volume to the engine. We recommend that when filling the engine with oil you run the oil level between 1/2 to full on the dipstick or dashboard oil readout."

POST 13Original post

Paul, Thank you for responding as others read this communication and may have a need for Hartech's sump reduced oil instability for their track days. Ken

POST 14Original post

Great writeup! Do you happen to know the plastic sump baffle part number? I threw mine out when I installed my LN kit... @Slakker , will the kit work with the metal baffle from the LN kit, or should I source an original plastic piece?

POST 15Original post

Ask Brandon at Slakker, he sent me the rubber baffle that fits the Hartech sump and the swirl pots as well. Changed me for them but I know they fit correctly.

POST 16Original post

Looks like it's 997 107 243 00 for the sump deflector. I asked brandon if I should order the X51 style baffle, but it's unknown if that style baffle works with the sump. All the pressure testing was done with the stock plastic (modified) sump deflector, so that's what I used. $60ish from porsche : 2006-2008 Porsche Cayman Baffle 997-107-243-00 | Sunset Porsche Parts 2006-2008 Porsche Cayman part # 997-107-243-00 - Baffle www.sunsetporscheparts.com

POST 17Original post

Thank you both for the replies. I'll go ahead and order it through Pelican or something.

POST 18Original post

If I could give one piece of advice to whoever installs their own baffle after reading this, make sure to use a lot less sealant. You only need a bead about 3mm wide and it will squish down enough to seal. Anything beyond that and you risk some smashing out over the edge and into the sump. If that happens, the little "worms" can get caught in passageways and either stop oil flow, or cause hot spots. This is a known failure resulting from people replacing any type of sump plate (even stock) and was likely what killed my engine (sump installed by previous owner).

POST 19Original post

A majority of non-starvation related GR86/BRZ (ZN8) motor failures are from exactly this. RTV sealant clogs the oil pickup. In LN's instructions for the LN Deep Sump it also highlights this.

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