Porsche Display Model Cayman massive spec?? - Page 2 - Boxster/Cayman - PistonHeads UK

I am thinking of doing a deal on a very nearly new Cayman S 2013 Porsche Display model. The car has a massive spec and has only covered 900 odd miles from new. The seller (a dealer) tells me the car remained with Porsche for 12 months and would list for £70k. They have it for sale for £55k Seems a bargain? Should I be concerned ?

Cant you get any info from an OPC regarding the reg on any work carried out. as I would have thought a car that age and mileage would be for sale in a OPC not an independent. This the silver one with red interior?

juansolo said: ..So you're looking at paying the retail price for a 1 year old car... In which case it's probably a bit pricey. Put it this way, if you were trading it in, they wouldn't be offering you £55k for it. Eh? Isn't this basic economics and commerce? A dealer would never offer the retail price when taking a car as a trade in - how on earth would they make any money?

thegoose said: Eh? Isn't this basic economics and commerce? A dealer would never offer the retail price when taking a car as a trade in - how on earth would they make any money? Well indeed, I'm assuming it's been the demonstrator rather than one they've got back.

I'd specifically ask if it has been used at Silverstone as a driving experience car. Silverstone cars are always high spec and with that age and mileage I'd suspect its 900 miles of track use. Not a deal breaker since it has a warranty but worth bearing in mind.

juansolo said: As it'll come with a 3 yr warranty (if it's an OPC) I wouldn't be. Also, you can throw all the options at a car you like, as soon as you drive it off the forecourt it's second hand value will be based on it's base price. . people say this, but its just not the case, better spec cars fetch more money and OPC sell them for more money. the part ex price might be the same in the book, but there is always a deal to be done, also there is always a buyer looking for a better spec car and will pay more.

According to Lodge this is not a Silverstone car and only just come, direct from Porsche Germany? They also state that they have the paperwork which shows that this car would have cost, with options £70k? It will only come with one year Porsche warranty. Seemed a reasonable deal to me, £15k under list, if it was a £70 k car? Going to my local OPC at 1400 so will ask them for the SP... Thanks to for your input so far....

Ask to see the V5. It will tell you who the previous owner was, the V5 won't tell you pork pies like a second hand car salesman will. If they give you some excuse to not show you the V5 I'd assume it's a Silverstone car. Lots of chassis options but a crap stereo.

Budweiser said: if it was a £70 k car? Was it? You should check - it doesn't look like it. It normally takes PCCBs to nudge £70k territory. Unless you'd normally choose all of those options and want that colour combo (and the price stacks up - run it through Glass), I reckon you'd be better off ordering a new one with your own 'perfect spec'. Maybe even a GTS?! [Does VAT qualifying mean that VAT has to be added on?] S Edited by stevod on Monday 24th March 13:34

needs a 2 year warranty and a over rev print out.

"VAT Qualifying" can be ignored by a private buyer. It means the price includes a VAT element, which is only possible on a used if it's only ever been owned by an eligible business(es) (car dealer, contract hire company, driving school, funeral director, taxi etc). A VAT-Q used car is attractive for non-EU export or contract hire as the VAT element can be re-claimed, making the cost 16.67% cheaper.

According to the chassis number the car is an import so their story could add up. They told me the car hasn't even been registered in the U K so a Registration number is not available.. My OPC recently sold a similar car, albeit a different colour combo, for the same money and with a 2 year OPC warranty. I would like to trade my very well cared for C4S ( very good overall condition and full OPC SH, mechanically very sound, IMS replaced etc) so will see what the cost to change is. It is a C16 car. I really appreciate all the comments and advice - thank you. Must say I love the red interior...... Edited by Budweiser on Monday 24th March 16:36

juansolo said: Also, you can throw all the options at a car you like, as soon as you drive it off the forecourt it's second hand value will be based on it's base price. Though they will always insist they're essential for resale when you're buying it new of course. Ozzie's theory: Options depreciate a lot quicker than the car they're attached to! Only pay for the ones you really want.

A word of caution, I have a 987 gen II Boxster, that is 2 and half years old , I bought as an ex factory car absolutely fully spec'd. I have done 7000 in the time I have owned it. in the past 18 months I have noticed a rattle on start up when I leave the car for a month or so standing. I have taken my car back to my OPC three times, the latest only three weeks ago. It took TWENTY MINUTES for the noise I am guessing a sticking tappet, cam follower. PORSCHE UK say that there is nothing wrong with my engine and that its normal if you leave your Porsche standing for more than a couple of weeks. They told me to make sure I don't leave it standing with out starting it every week!!!!!!!! So BE VERY Careful, seems Porches are not designed to be left idle for long and the one you are looking at most certainly has. Has anybody else heard such a ridiculous thing from a Manufacturer

PGSouthern said: Has anybody else heard such a ridiculous thing from a Manufacturer It's caused by gradual draining of oil back to the sump from the cylinder head(s). A friend of mine has a Merc A-class which shows exactly the same symptoms after it's been left standing for a few days. Bit of a rattle until full oil pressure builds up. I'm always careful to try to make sure my cars move at least once a week. "Laying-up" has always seemed to me a rather bad idea.

Hi Ozzie, I agree with your view about laying up, but some of us have to go away for a few weeks to work, which means the car is left standing. I accept a little run off from bearings, but twenty minutes, before mine quietens down is ridiculous don't you think? I wish I could attach the sound recording it would make you cry. Porsche just said its normal.

PGSouthern said: but twenty minutes, before mine quietens down is ridiculous don't you think? Yes. The rattle I mentioned on an A-class is literally 2 or 3 seconds only, clearly cam-shaft related and disappears with oil pressure. Twenty minutes sounds extraordinary to me. I'm non-plussed because even if your noise was "piston slap" from cold it shouldn't take more than a few minutes to settle down and you'd expect to hear it on every cold start, not just when the car's been left standing for a few days. All very odd.

Thanks for your thoughts, its bonkers to me, I will update when I hear from the Porsche Press office. I have had 40 years in the Motor industry owned 7 others Porsche Models, never heard anything like it. My dear old mothers ten year Corsa wasn't started for 11 weeks until last week started on the button not a sound, my £47k Boxster!!!

Which bit of the industry do you work in? With nearly £50k at stake I'd be considering whether it's worth getting an independent engineer to do you a report on the car. Also keep a detailed log of all your contact with Porsche about the issue. Then if at a later date the engine lets go you'll have something to fall back on. As you may already be aware, there's a saying in the industry that the best way to keep a car reliable is to keep it away from people with spanners. So I'm sure they'll be reluctant to start dismantling an engine which is working. The old "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Back on topic.;) I have received an offer on my car from the dealer which is ok but not enough IMO. He should get back to me today so a lot depends on that bearing in mind their asking price is a little high.. I'm thinking I may be better off looking (waiting) for an OPC car as their prices are competitive and you get the two year warranty, we shall see.....

As it'll come with a 2 yr warranty (if it's an OPC) I wouldn't be. Also, you can throw all the options at a car you like, as soon as you drive it off the forecourt it's second hand value will be based on it's base price. Though they will always insist they're essential for resale when you're buying it new of course. So you're looking at paying the retail price for a 1 year old car... In which case it's probably a bit pricey. Put it this way, if you were trading it in they wouldn't be offering you £55k for it. Edited by juansolo on Tuesday 25th March 12:03

PGSouthern said: A word of caution, I have a 987 gen II Boxster, that is 2 and half years old , I bought as an ex factory car absolutely fully spec'd. I have done 7000 in the time I have owned it. in the past 18 months I have noticed a rattle on start up when I leave the car for a month or so standing. I have taken my car back to my OPC three times, the latest only three weeks ago. It took TWENTY MINUTES for the noise I am guessing a sticking tappet, cam follower. PORSCHE UK say that there is nothing wrong with my engine and that its normal if you leave your Porsche standing for more than a couple of weeks. They told me to make sure I don't leave it standing with out starting it every week!!!!!!!! So BE VERY Careful, seems Porches are not designed to be left idle for long and the one you are looking at most certainly has. Has anybody else heard such a ridiculous thing from a Manufacturer It's normal in my experience due to carbon build up on the tappets. The noise disappears when the engine warms which is usually 15 to 20 minutes.

Carl_Docklands said: PGSouthern said: A word of caution, I have a 987 gen II Boxster, that is 2 and half years old , I bought as an ex factory car absolutely fully spec'd. I have done 7000 in the time I have owned it. in the past 18 months I have noticed a rattle on start up when I leave the car for a month or so standing. I have taken my car back to my OPC three times, the latest only three weeks ago. It took TWENTY MINUTES for the noise I am guessing a sticking tappet, cam follower. PORSCHE UK say that there is nothing wrong with my engine and that its normal if you leave your Porsche standing for more than a couple of weeks. They told me to make sure I don't leave it standing with out starting it every week!!!!!!!! So BE VERY Careful, seems Porches are not designed to be left idle for long and the one you are looking at most certainly has. Has anybody else heard such a ridiculous thing from a Manufacturer It's normal in my experience due to carbon build up on the tappets. The noise disappears when the engine warms which is usually 15 to 20 minutes. "Yes, they all do that sir" "My engine has exploded" "Really?... none of them do that sir"

The flat-6 has common characteristics which include it sounding like a bag of bolts on start-up. Stripping these away takes away the character of the engine and has nowt to do with reliability or engines going bang. Porsche's should produce all sorts of strange noises from the engine compartment, if you don't like it you picked the wrong type of car.

Carl_Docklands said: The flat-6 has common characteristics which include it sounding like a bag of bolts on start-up. Quite true: had it not been for the large amount of smoke, I wouldn't have known that the engine had blown up.

Carl_Docklands said: It's normal in my experience due to carbon build up on the tappets. Why does that happen? And why particularly on a car that's left standing?

I have had this issue on a couple of cars. 3.2 Boxster and 996 Turbo. The tappets are non adjustable using hydraulics to set their clearance automatically. When the car has been left standing for a time, the oil can drain which causes a rattle at start up. This should soon disappear though - as soon as prerssure to the tappets is restored. Neither vehicle developed any subsequent problems. I currently have a Spyder which is frequently left idle for 7 or 8 weeks and I get no rattle on start up on this car. I would say don't worry! (P.S a small amount of smoke on start up is also nothing to worry about).

stevod said: Was it? You should check - it doesn't look like it. It normally takes PCCBs to nudge £70k territory. Unless you'd normally choose all of those options and want that colour combo (and the price stacks up - run it through Glass), I reckon you'd be better off ordering a new one with your own 'perfect spec'. Maybe even a GTS?! [Does VAT qualifying mean that VAT has to be added on?] S Edited by stevod on Monday 24th March 13:34 I took your advice, she arrives June time

stevod said: Was it? You should check - it doesn't look like it. It normally takes PCCBs to nudge £70k territory. Unless you'd normally choose all of those options and want that colour combo (and the price stacks up - run it through Glass), I reckon you'd be better off ordering a new one with your own 'perfect spec'. Maybe even a GTS?! [Does VAT qualifying mean that VAT has to be added on?] S Edited by stevod on Monday 24th March 13:34 I took your advice, she arrives June time

Budweiser said: I took your advice, she arrives June time Congrats! Good call, I reckon. S

Ozzie Osmond said: Carl_Docklands said: It's normal in my experience due to carbon build up on the tappets. Why does that happen? And why particularly on a car that's left standing? Baz from hartech did a write-up on it on the other thread. For what it's worth my car was used daily and was driven as the maker intended. Pinged off the rev limiter at most opportunity and serviced well. It only happened periodically, it was not a permanent fixture of the engine hence, the earlier comment by another poster to drive it more as it will probably clear up the problem.