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YOUR RESEARCHIndicator stalk fault & fix
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My 996 has suffered a very similar failure of non-cancelling indicators, but the issue for me was different in that it was the 'arms' that hold the outer edge of the spring in place that have failed.
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I've just completed the build & test of the indicator stalk, seems to work fine when tested by finger to mimmic the steering wheel pushing the small plastic tab.
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I had an issue when I tested the stalk back in the car before full assembly, lights were on all the time...
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I fixed mine by cutting two 8mm (approx) sewing pins and laying across the plastic on both sides (two on each side) then heated with a soldering iron to push then under the surface, I then used JB epoxy over the clip, it worked really well.
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Use some m3mm nuts and bolts (may have been m2.5mm)
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I used some M3mm nuts and bolts (may have been M2.5mm) from a set I have.
Replace rivets i'd drilled out), fit everything back
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Once this was done I reassembled the whole unit and fixed the front plate back in place with 7 M3 bolts with nuts on the back (to replace the rivets I'd drilled out), fit everything back on the car and gave everything a whirl.
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I've just completed the build & test of the indicator stalk, seems to work fine when tested by finger to mimmic the steering wheel pushing the small plastic tab.
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I've just completed the build & test of the indicator stalk, seems to work fine when tested by finger to mimmic the steering wheel pushing the small plastic tab.
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As I said before, I had to strip it down again but even more bad luck, the second time I put it back to test, the indicator didn't work on one side, aarrgghh...
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I fixed mine by cutting two 8mm (approx) sewing pins and laying across the plastic on both sides (two on each side) then heated with a soldering iron to push then under the surface, I then used JB epoxy over the clip, it worked really well.
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My 996 has suffered a very similar failure of non-cancelling indicators, but the issue for me was different in that it was the 'arms' that hold the outer edge of the spring in place that have failed.
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So this week I reluctantly had a go at tackling it and fortunately after several attempts now have my car back to normal.
A few weeks ago my indicator stalk went faulty (see below video). I was able to enable the indicator in one direction only when the wheel was straight and this varied between left and right. So this week I reluctantly had a go at tackling it and fortunately after several attempts now have my car back to normal. Repairing the stalk unit meant disassembling the unit which in itself opened up another can of worms.
Video showing the fault:
First job was to strip the steering wheel/column down and remove the whole 4 stalk assembly from the car. Massive thanks to
Leon1davies
for his excellent write-up on retro fitting cruise with a step by step guide on removing the assembly:
http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=115078
After removing everything out the way you can then access the stalk unit ready for removal seen here. Notice the plate on the front of it has 7 brass rivets holding it in place and also clamping everything in place within the unit (both main stalks pivot in this plate, as well as the lever that cancels the indicators):
Once the stalk unit is off the car and on the bench, the brass rivets can then be drilled out ready for the top removing. Before doing this, the OBD stalk needs removing from the cover plate and putting safely aside (2 Allen cap head bolts and a cable tie to remove). I drilled the heads off the rivets and then pushed the remaining part of the rivet straight through:
Care is needed when removing the top cover plate as the 2 main stalks are located in it as well as the indicator cancel lever. Once removed it looks something like this inside. The indicator stalk is removed here as it jumped out of position when I opened it up:
The lever that cancels the indicator can be seen in the above photo suspended in the centre with a small spring on either side of it holding it in position. Said part once removed looks like this:
Under close inspection of the lever and the stalk unit I noticed a small part of it had snapped off. The photo below shows the little fella with the small part that broke off from his nether region:
And this photo shows the broken bit sat in the stalk unit at the bottom left of the central recess where it resided once snapping off the little fella:
Next job was to re-attach the little fella's stump back on. I assumed super gluing it back in place would suffice, so I gave everything a good clean with some IPA and then glued it back on. Once this was done I reassembled the whole unit and fixed the front plate back in place with 7 M3 bolts with nuts on the back (to replace the rivets I'd drilled out), fit everything back on the car and gave everything a whirl. Unfortunately the brass bars that run under the indicator stalk weren't located correctly in their positions so once everything was reassembled and I connected the battery back up I found out my high beam and flasher didn't work, so had to strip the whole lot back down and re-assemble it all again. :duh:
After much messing about with all the internals of the whole unit I managed to get it all reassembled correctly and back on the car. With everything now back together I gave it a whirl and everything worked correctly. By this time I was ready for a pint so I went to meet a mate down the boozer. After a couple of scoops and a collection of a takeaway I was driving home and my indicator stalk packed up again!! :frustrated:
Obviously the super glue wasn't that super and the little fella had now been Eunuched again. Back to the drawing board. Note that a new 4 stalk unit is in the region of £300. :x
Next day I went through the whole process of stripping everything down and getting the little fella out the unit ready for a more robust operation. Once he was back on the operating bench along with his trusted manhood everything was cleaned up again with IPA and reattached in place with super glue. I then had a route through some old broken drill bits I save for odd jobs. I found an old broken 1.2mm diameter drill bit. The thickness of the little lever is 7mm so I cut off a piece of the drill bit shank 7mm long. Then with a pin chuck with a 1.2mm drill bit in it I drilled a whole by hand right through the centre of it to enable me to press the hardened steel pin with through the centre to give it plenty of support so it won't break off again (now probably 1000 times stronger than the original part).
Photo below shows the 1.2mm hole I drilled though the centre:
And then once the operation complete with hardened steel penile implant to ensure he performs flawlessly at every turn:
All back together and stalk unit is now working perfectly. Proper kick in the groin job but I'd saved myself in the region of £400 minimum by not taking my car to a garage to sort out, who'd have probably just removed the whole stalk unit and fit a new one. Also educated myself and you guys on what's inside these units and how they work. All in all a decent result!!
I had to do a similar repair on my indicators...it really is a pain of a job getting everything in the right place and staying there whilst you bolt the case back together.
For anyone who has the non cancelling indicators it's a good idea to check the clockspring still has the plastic cancellation tabs in place and they haven't broken off before diving deeper and taking the indicators apart it will save you a whole lot of pain.
Picking up on the (relatively) old thread....
My 996 has suffered a very similar failure of non-cancelling indicators, but the issue for me was different in that it was the 'arms' that hold the outer edge of the spring in place that have failed. In fact I believe this is more the common failure. I will write up a fuller account once I have it back together and mended. One point I don't see in this write up is how to re-attach the metal front of the unit to the rest, I'm assuming pop-rivets? I will be attempting this route when I rebuild mine in the next day or so.
Quick advice on re-assembling - the use of mini-clamps (g-clamps) have been useful in re-assembling it, plus the use of smaller fingers of the younger people lying around the house to keep pressure in place.
Great, thanks for the info. I've just ordered a pack from Amazon, 600 pieces, assorted sizes (M2, M2.5, M3 etc) for £8 inc delivery, so hopefully I can use your method with the same success.
I've just completed the build & test of the indicator stalk, seems to work fine when tested by finger to mimmic the steering wheel pushing the small plastic tab. I'll rebuild the unit once the bolts arrive and test in the car - when write up a full description of the work for other people's benefit.
Hello,
Thank you for your post, it has helped me to fix my non return issue.
I would like to add a few points if I may.
If fixing the plastic clip which breaks off due to the spring, it's best to strengthen the non broken side at the same time, mine had a tiny hairline crack and would probably have failed in a short time.
I fixed mine by cutting two 8mm (approx) sewing pins and laying across the plastic on both sides (two on each side) then heated with a soldering iron to push then under the surface, I then used JB epoxy over the clip, it worked really well.
I had an issue when I tested the stalk back in the car before full assembly, lights were on all the time... I had to take it all apart again and set the spring contacts correctly, it is fiddly.
Thanks again
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Another update ...
Thanks again to Alex for the thread.
I thought I would add more again, as some others might have similar experiences.
As I said before, I had to strip it down again but even more bad luck, the second time I put it back to test, the indicator didn't work on one side, aarrgghh...
Also, I had used a standard rivet tool to fix the metal plate, this caused problems, as the effort to break the pins caused the plastic to break, so now I was struggling to secure the plate for the third time
I managed to find some small nuts and melted them into the plastic, so that I could use screws to tighten down the plate, these were in fact the screws for holding on electrical face plates!
You do have to be careful and make sure that the indicator stalk sits properly, otherwise you could have the same problems.
I've put some photos, as you can never have enough
Glad to finally finish this job, now onto the driver's door actuator...
Cheers
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