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YOUR RESEARCHSometimes it's the little things that matter - WATER ALERT!
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New one purchased from ECP fitted same day and sorted
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In my experience the door card never goes back 100% properly once you've had it off, the clips need to be replaced because it's hard to get them off without breaking them or weakening them.
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Use excess rubber
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I asked him but he'd used the excess rubber for the band on his bun catapult :dont know:
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Check under the door handles
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Well folks - may I suggest, when you get chance, all go out to your cars and check under the door handles.
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Replace because it's hard
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In my experience the door card never goes back 100% properly once you've had it off, the clips need to be replaced because it's hard to get them off without breaking them or weakening them.
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What's the saying - 'Out of sight, out of mind'!
The other day I'm washing my car and giving it a good hose down when the passenger side window starts erratically bobbing up and down (the amount it does when you open the door). It continued to do this until I managed to open the door and lower it slightly. As soon as the window was put back up it would start doing it again.
So I then go through the process of browsing here and youtube to see how to remove the door card, etc.
It's at that point you realise how shoddy some people in the trade are and the mentality of 'you can't see it, it'll be right'.
4 bolts/screws and about 8 plastic fasteners hold the door card on. The 2 bolts behind the handle were in place, the screw in the door pocket wasn't fastened in to anything and the bolt behind the airbag badge was non-existent. Once the ones that were had been removed, the door card was then unclipped and taken off (not forgetting to remove any wires and door release cable).
Once removed it was also evident that at least 3 of the plastic clips were jiggered and not functioning as intended.
Anyway, I managed to trace the fault (I think) to the micro-switch within the door behind the door handle that actuates when the door is closed and handle pulled (notifying the window to drop). A good blowing out with a hairdryer for 5 minutes and we're back in action :yahoo:
The disappointing thing though is how people can do work on these cars and then just ram them back together with no care and attention and so long as the customer never sees it, who cares!
New clips ordered and other missing parts replaced and the door card is now back on (until the new clips arrive).
So, next thing - how did the water get in?
Well folks - may I suggest, when you get chance, all go out to your cars and check under the door handles. The door handle rotates outwards on 2 radial arms (seen in the photos below). When the handle is in it's closed position, there are rubber seals on each arm that seals around the apertures in the housing.
On each door handle on my car, there is a seal missing (one on the front radial arm and on the other side on the rear radial arm).
Look on the 2 photos below and you can see where the seal is missing off the left arm and where it is in place against the back of the handle on the right one. I can only presume that without these seals in place, water can get in there and cause damage (in my case - shorting the micro-switch out directly behind where the seal is missing).
I've ordered some rubber sheet off eBay for £1.20 and will be making myself some new seals and hopefully back to how it should be.
Here's a photo of the micro-switch (with the purple arrow).
It's easy to see how the missing seal can expose the micro-switch to the elements and cause problems
Good work mate
Over Xmas my window decided to make a loud bang when I tried to open it at a car park, stripped the door card off and found the window regulator was bust, a wire had snapped over time it had obv rusted. New one purchased from ECP fitted same day and sorted
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Quick update.
Acquired some of GT4's left over rubber sheet :lol: so pressed on with making some new seals.
10 minute job with a scalpel and some superglue. The one I took off the other side was on its last legs so I made 2. Cut a slot in the bottom to get it round the arm, then a dot of glue on the mating faces once fitted.
Far easier than trying to source some new seals off Porsche and done without the headache of stripping the door down. Hopefully should future proof it from any more water ingress that may short something out.
Hi Alex
you do know that the microswitch is fully encapsulated and waterproof so even if your seals are missing there shouldn't be a problem, sounds like your switch is defective.
Mac
Thanks for the info. The switch is designed to be 'water proof' although I think Porche should claim 'resistant' and not 'proof', like watches.
Even so, without the door handle seals being in place, it also allows ingress to the internal part of the door that can only cause other problems that water has a tendency to do (eg. rust & corrosion).
Great job I had not thought of making my own seals and slotting/gluing them to make it easier. I replaced mine with Porsche ones from a handle I had from eBay, but it was a pain has had to take the handle completely apart, including the tiny rusty circlip holding the threaded connector piece to the handle. Very tricky.... I like your way better
They're notorious, I think they're worse on the 997, I've done my internal one and now the external door handle plastic connection has snapped so my door handle doesn't work and I have to open the passenger side and lean in to open the drivers side from the inside.
I've got a bodged internal part from a repair I had done at a back street garage, instead of using a new part he glued and screwed the old part together and it lasted about a week.
Cowboys are everywhere.
Did you manage to get the door membrane off without damage, my driver's door handle needs attention and I know the membranes are expensive and essential!
I've never changed a membrane yet. Just pull gently and work your way round using something like a ruler or knife behind it whilst you work your way round. Bit of heat from a hairdryer helps too.
I've actually just posted about fixing the outer handle -
https://911uk.com/porsche/997-niggles.126380/page-2
In my experience the door card never goes back 100% properly once you've had it off, the clips need to be replaced because it's hard to get them off without breaking them or weakening them. The quality is really poor so it's not very robust and if it's been off a few times then you can tell.
