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YOUR RESEARCHLooking at a 2003 996 4s
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Color is a plus, but original IMS, front bumper appears to have been repainted, and some repaired rock chips in hood.
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Since I have an '03 C4S, I routinely check prices in the PCA classifieds.
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These cars are old and once it is yours, you will find yourself with lots to replace: brakes, struts, control arms.
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If all these things were replaced recently, it is worth the price.
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My car was running perfectly when I bought her but I still dropped $17k immediately on all the usual stuff for no reason other than peace of mind.
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911 shopping, and this one is local to me,
2003 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S Coupe AWD - $51,900 - CarGurus
It's a nice car but how out line is the pricing? Not much on the maintenance history but meets most of the specs I am looking for.
Looks fair to me. Certain colors can boost pricing. Not sure if red is one off them. I paid $44K 2 years ago for a silver / black 4S with 55K miles for reference. My car was also fully sorted in terms of the IMS, RMS, new clutch and flywheel. Interior was perfect as well.
All other variables being equal, it seems like C4Ss that are not black, gray, or silver carry a premium. Oddly, white seems to be have a higher premium than �actual colors� (anecdotal research).
Just for info. I paid $49.7 k for my 2003 C4S (arctic silver/black), 40,700 miles in November 2021. Perfect condition interior and exterior. My seats look much less worn than the Car Gurus car. Also the Car Gurus description says nothing about IMSB, etc. status. My car was running perfectly when I bought her but I still dropped $17k immediately on all the usual stuff for no reason other than peace of mind.
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OP - Nice car, yet no sport/upgraded exhaust, no IMS replacement, no sport seats means less premium. Any maintenance history or auction car? Definitely not a screaming good deal at $52k. There may be room to bargain if the car sits on the lot for a bit. When you drive it you�ll also have a clearer picture. Good hunting!
Eight previous owners is a red flag. Could mean that no one ever really cared about the car. I would not consider this at all without a Carfax that showed a solid service record. If the IMS bearing wasn�t replaced, you can count on another $4-$5k replacing it and a new clutch and flywheel. These cars are old and once it is yours, you will find yourself with lots to replace: brakes, struts, control arms. If all these things were replaced recently, it is worth the price.
Now reduced to $49.9. Other than color, this is a basic 4S. If it's had good maintenance, and a new IMSB, 45-50k might be a good buy. But I agree that 8 owners and likely incomplete records would be discouraging to me. You will definitely need to get a ppi from a reputable shop and maybe consider a
long term warranty, which will ad to costs.
And I'm always leery of dealers who don't offer a CarFax or AutoCheck upfront for a high end car.
Looks fair but a PPI would be wise to make sure the IMSB is not an issue. I forget if bore scoring is an issue with this engine. If 8 prior owners only put an average of 2400 miles/year on it I would consider this car a garage queen throughout its life. I bought my 2000 C2 3 years ago. It had 4 previous owners and 52K miles. No IMSB replacement and no PPI. It has been a joy with no issues.
This is objectively not bad advice. Both cars were produced in similar numbers, so rarity doesn't play a factor. Add the word Mezger and it starts to make real sense.
Thanks for the pointers. Yeah, looks like it has bounced around several other dealer also. I have just taken a light look so far but with already dropping the price I might take a closer look.
I think that�s high. Paid 39k for my �02 C4S in January. AND prices are beginning to come back down to reality. If you aren�t in a hurry I�d give it a few more months for things to settle and then start your search.
It's all good feedback you're getting.
I'll throw in with the group that says "too high."
Since I have an '03 C4S, I routinely check prices in the PCA classifieds. I find the average to be much less. Good luck shopping.
Assuming the bores and imsb are in good shape, you have $10-15k of work to do on it to get the engine in shape. Factor that into the price. You are rolling the dice if you don't have any service records and you don't perform an invasive PPI with dropping the sump and scoping the bores. Bad bores = $20-40k fpr rebuild plus the cost of the car, plus suspension plus exhaust. You get the idea. May be a perfect specimen, may not be.
I'll add another data point that this car is too expensive.
2004 C4S cab with hardtop
85k miles
6 speed
Silver / black with a few aluminum bits
Fully sorted (IMS, clutch, RMS, lots of additional things too)
X51 package
PSE
Turbo Look II with winter tires
I paid $34k at a Porsche dealership two weeks ago.
Knowing the ims is original, and it passes PPI/bore scope what is a fair selling price? For me I am adding $$$ for color and it is local to me. I have a range I would pay, I think. What’s everyone else’s idea on purchase price?
Mark, it seems that you're hot for this car? Have you seen others? Are there chapters to the story of finding this car that make it The One? Because the feedback you're getting isn't dampening your attraction.
My theory is - there's always another car.
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