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As the car arrived today I thought I would start a thread so here it is. It’s the arctic silver car recently advertised at DK Engineering, 2 owners, 26k miles and a full history. It is immaculate and flew through the usual meticulous inspection by Neil Bainbridge. A late 1996 car (MY97) supplied to Japan and then it went to California. I have the original seats and steering wheel in boxes but we fitted new sumptuously trimmed Recaro Pole Positions and a GT1 steering wheel. Otherwise the car is standard. You can hopefully see from the photos below how different arctic is from polar silver, which was a more common (if I can say that about a GT2) colour - my RS Clubsport is polar and it is clearly a more blue hue. The car is epic to drive - I was expecting old school massive turbo lag but it feels pretty linear. And it feels as fast as a modern GT3 or RS so it must have been a beast back in the mid 90’s. of course, you don’t have RWS and the other chassis trickery of a modern 911 and you are very aware of the weight in the rear out over the axle. Something with depth and a joy to learn.

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Jealousy levels off the scale. well done that man!

Fantastic pair of Porsches. Forced to choose which one Andrew.?

Wonderful car!

Congratulations, lovely car...definitely one of my pin-ups.

Cor blimey. Yum.

What a combination those two are....just sublime ! Fantastic being able to compare the two I am sure. I have no idea how on earth you decide which keys to grab !

Congrats, beautiful car(s). But we need more pics of the GT2

AndrewD said: Beautiful. Of the various things that kicked me up the arse to get back into sports cars and, specifically 911s, was arriving at my local bike shop who were having an open day and one of these being parked out front. I knew exactly what it was, straight away. The exposed screw heads on the arch extensions just look brutal - functional and non nonsense - and sort of make a statement about the overall car; performance first. These things still look outlandish today.

Superb choices , way more fun that getting the latest fez/mac. Keep up the wonderful work of keeping these beauties running, would love to here more indepth driving stories

Okay, so the car in this video is 'just' a replica (belonging to another PHer of course), but I still like it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf34n2rxzUI&t=...

I'm just loveing the fact that this thread is just above "I've just bought some poverty pork" thread

Fantastic cars. One of the best looking 911's ever made. A friend has just bought a black one. Awesome cars.

Fantastic - much congrats. Mega garage you have. Enjoy! Now put some good back into society.. like adopt me!! I'm fully house trained

Congratulations OP! What a fleet.

I was taken out for a spin years ago in an orange one, scared me silly tbf! Absolute beast! TX.

Great feedback, thank you! And like many of you, it’s the memory of seeing one of these beasts in the flesh back in the day, and watching them dominate so many races in my more formative years, that lit the fire. For years I wanted one. Came close recently to a race car but I really wanted a road legal one and then this car appeared. It is almost flawless and a great testimony to the care of its previous owners. Yesterday when it arrived I was just over the moon. Here are a few more photos as some of you asked - the new Recaro PP’s are very comfortable and I love the feel of the supple, new leather trim. The original “sports” seats are going to stay in the box, as will the huge chunky original steering wheel - the GT1 wheel feels so much better to use and just looks right. The other thing is how much more aggressively styled the GT2 is compared even to the RS Clubsport. Obviously the flared front and rear arches but even the crazy rear wing on the RS looks a little tame if that were possible, in comparison of course.

And the alarm fob reminds you the car is from the mid 1990’s as it looks like a tiny model of an ancient mobile phone

AndrewD said: ...like many of you, it’s the memory of seeing one of these beasts in the flesh back in the day, and watching them dominate so many races in my more formative years, that lit the fire... When I got my first 911, the guy who used to run the village shop and Post office kept saying, you need to talk to "X" about these things, he used to race them. Long story short, I still haven't got around to talking to him, but have figured out, who he is and that he was one of the drivers of the GT2's I watched racing back in the day in this team:

Digga said: When I got my first 911, the guy who used to run the village shop and Post office kept saying, you need to talk to "X" about these things, he used to race them. Long story short, I still haven't got around to talking to him, but have figured out, who he is and that he was one of the drivers of the GT2's I watched racing back in the day in this team: Photo makes the goose bumps appear! Awesome. I think I know who X might be. Surname begins with M? He was working at Porsche Silverstone back in 2003 when I walked in and bought my first 911 from “M”, a lovely 996 GT3 they had in the showroom, by coincidence also arctic silver. You could actually buy cars with almost delivery miles back then as no doubt you can recall!

Definitely a different X! I was into TVRs from mid 90's to 2009. That's why I got to see a lot of the GT races, as the Tuscan Challenge races were on the same billing and, in later years, TVR themselves were in the GT Championships. Always loved the Blue Coral team cars though. I seem to remember the flatnose 935 cars being incredibly loud.

Digga said: Definitely a different X! I was into TVRs from mid 90's to 2009. That's why I got to see a lot of the GT races, as the Tuscan Challenge races were on the same billing and, in later years, TVR themselves were in the GT Championships. Always loved the Blue Coral team cars though. I seem to remember the flatnose 935 cars being incredibly loud. Ah ok. “M” was a lovely chap. He looked like a librarian and then you got talking about his racing not only 911 GT2 but also GT1...! I was into TVRs also - first was a 1993 Chimaera 4.3 then Griff 500 and 4.5 Cerbera. Griff was easily the best of those, did 38000 miles from new in 2 1/2 years.

Stunning, am not very jealous, am a lot jealous, great choices and good for you, nice to see some positivity and normality in these odd times.

Congratulations its absolutely stunning ! Please keep the photos coming.

AndrewD said: I was into TVRs also - first was a 1993 Chimaera 4.3 then Griff 500 and 4.5 Cerbera. Griff was easily the best of those, did 38000 miles from new in 2 1/2 years. A used 1993 4.0 Griffith aged 24 (no idea how i survived that ), then a few years later a new, '98 factory build Griffith 500 I kept years. had a very good relationship with the dealers so often got loan of other stuff to try too - Tuscan Speed Six and Cerbera 4.2. Great cars all of them. At thetime, TVR had great potential and certainly forced mainstream manufacturers to up the potency of their offerings. I'd watched Porsche closely though, even as a TVR-nut. The first 964 RS I ever saw in the metal was in the TVR pit area at Silverstone. When the 993 GT2 and GT1 arrived in GT racing, along with the McLaren F1 too, you could not help but love the things.

O/T - Polar is a great colour

Lemanandbeyond said: Congratulations its absolutely stunning ! Please keep the photos coming. Haha you asked for it then! Just been gardening with the car

Digga said: used 1993 4.0 Griffith aged 24 (no idea how i survived that ), then a few years later a new, '98 factory build Griffith 500 I kept years. had a very good relationship with the dealers so often got loan of other stuff to try too - Tuscan Speed Six and Cerbera 4.2. Great cars all of them. At thetime, TVR had great potential and certainly forced mainstream manufacturers to up the potency of their offerings. I'd watched Porsche closely though, even as a TVR-nut. The first 964 RS I ever saw in the metal was in the TVR pit area at Silverstone. When the 993 GT2 and GT1 arrived in GT racing, along with the McLaren F1 too, you could not help but love the things. I remember doing track days in my Griff and seeing every 911 as a target to try and overtake. I was younger and more daft of course back then, but it was harmless fun and then I saw the light with the 996 GT3 and never looked back. Agree back then TVR pushed the established brands, I remember Martin Short in the Rollcentre Cerbera and going crazy when he did well. And then of course there was the monster Speed 12!

isaldiri said: O/T - Polar is a great colour It certainly is!

AndrewD said: Bloody hell mate.. i'd be scared of falling out the tree on top of it!

Andrew - that is a disgustingly lovely motorcar 😛 I’m considering a 599 or 992TT S as the next motor...I’d still be in your slipstream even if I picked up Stuttgart’s latest and greatest!

Phooey said: AndrewD said: Bloody hell mate.. i'd be scared of falling out the tree on top of it! I was actually worried about the drone falling out of the sky, as I am pretty ham fisted with this kind of technology! Or it being attacked by an albatross and tumbling

DeejRC said: Andrew - that is a disgustingly lovely motorcar ?? I’m considering a 599 or 992TT S as the next motor...I’d still be in your slipstream even if I picked up Stuttgart’s latest and greatest! I’m sure I wouldn’t see which way you’d gone in a 992 TTS, if my previous 991 GT2RS was anything to go by! But I would be working for every mile per hour I gained on you!

Yeah, so...I got a drone for my birthday a cpl of yrs ago from the wife. It went sideways on the first flight right into the path of the 100kg zwaarble sheep we have in the field next to the garden. He ate it. I’ve had to move the Cayenne from in front of the house, as the wife is worried the goat may jump on top of it from the front lawn. Switzerland feels a long way away Andrew!

Digga said: Definitely a different X! I was into TVRs from mid 90's to 2009. That's why I got to see a lot of the GT races, as the Tuscan Challenge races were on the same billing and, in later years, TVR themselves were in the GT Championships. Always loved the Blue Coral team cars though. I seem to remember the flatnose 935 cars being incredibly loud. Are his initials JG. Never got to chat with him very much. JM I know fairly well. If my memory serves me right JG could not get hold of a 993GT2 at the time which of course he was really pissed off about so they built their own. G-Force motorsport. Amusingly our neighbor a couple of houses down knows JG pretty well. His sister dated him for many years.

So the big question Andrew. If you could choose only one. Would it be the Carrera GT or the 993GT2 ?

DeejRC said: Switzerland feels a long way away Andrew! It does indeed! Happy times!

SRT Hellcat said: So the big question Andrew. If you could choose only one. Would it be the Carrera GT or the 993GT2 ? CGT! But I’ve only had the GT2 for a day, so give me a chance It is thoroughly special but in a different way.

Great cars and Silver is the colour .... only have a race version .

Lovely!

hunter 66 said: Great cars and Silver is the colour .... only have a race version . OMG that’s incredible

Imagine you have keys to 980 Carrera GT 997 GT3 RS 4.0 993 GT2 These are the choices AndrewD has make…life’s hard. Edited by TDT on Wednesday 24th June 22:57

hunter 66 said: Great cars and Silver is the colour .... only have a race version . Beastly

AndrewD said: I remember doing track days in my Griff and seeing every 911 as a target to try and overtake. I was younger and more daft of course back then, but it was harmless fun and then I saw the light with the 996 GT3 and never looked back. Agree back then TVR pushed the established brands, I remember Martin Short in the Rollcentre Cerbera and going crazy when he did well. And then of course there was the monster Speed 12! Likewise, my final Griffith 500 was fairly heavily modified. Nitron adjustable suspension, set up by Steve Guglielmi, uprated engine (cams, injectors, carbon plenum, bigger throttle body, Mark Adams re-mapped etc.) full cage, bucket seats. The, on a whim, at a track day at Spa, I hitched a lift in a 996 GT3 - Singh911, still on PH in fact and still owning that car - and was hooked. SRT Hellcat said: Are his initials JG. Not him either.

Seems the 996 GT3 was an influential car!

AndrewD said: Seems the 996 GT3 was an influential car! It was the first thing non-TVR I'd come across on track that really turned my head. I like Caterhams, but never wanted to own one, and there wasn't too much else, bar perhaps the M3s.

AndrewD said: As the car arrived today I thought I would start a thread so here it is. It’s the arctic silver car recently advertised at DK Engineering, 2 owners, 26k miles and a full history. It is immaculate and flew through the usual meticulous inspection by Neil Bainbridge. A late 1996 car (MY97) supplied to Japan and then it went to California. I have the original seats and steering wheel in boxes but we fitted new sumptuously trimmed Recaro Pole Positions and a GT1 steering wheel. Otherwise the car is standard. You can hopefully see from the photos below how different arctic is from polar silver, which was a more common (if I can say that about a GT2) colour - my RS Clubsport is polar and it is clearly a more blue hue. The car is epic to drive - I was expecting old school massive turbo lag but it feels pretty linear. And it feels as fast as a modern GT3 or RS so it must have been a beast back in the mid 90’s. of course, you don’t have RWS and the other chassis trickery of a modern 911 and you are very aware of the weight in the rear out over the axle. Something with depth and a joy to learn. Congratulations! Do you know when it was exported from Japan to the US? I have a photo of a silver (with gold alloys) 911 GT2 I took outside a Porsche specialist in Tokyo in 2009...

This is just such a badass mofo like a caricature

Of lovely thing, congrats. Was there any difference between a Japan C18 GT3 and a UK C16 GT2?

Voxy said: Congratulations! Do you know when it was exported from Japan to the US? I have a photo of a silver (with gold alloys) 911 GT2 I took outside a Porsche specialist in Tokyo in 2009... Replica? headlight washers are a bit of a giveaway.

Adam B said: Of lovely thing, congrats. Was there any difference between a Japan C18 GT3 and a UK C16 GT2? C08 Japan not C18. The two things I can think of are: - Japan GT2 is LHD - The Japanese car also has option code 912 “ohne typschild” so there isn’t an option code sticker on the inside of the bonnet Also has 92l fuel tank (option code 545) - not sure if C16 got this.

IMI A said: This is just such a badass mofo like a caricature Has nice Boost maps as well , wet , dry and "hold on "..

hunter 66 said: IMI A said: This is just such a badass mofo like a caricature Has nice Boost maps as well , wet , dry and "hold on ".. Intrigued to know what peak "hold on" output is? Only GT2 I've driven was the non RS 997 at PEC Silverstone. Even compared to my mapped 996 turbo I had at the time, it was savage.

hunter 66 said: IMI A said: This is just such a badass mofo like a caricature Has nice Boost maps as well , wet , dry and "hold on ".. I have a 993 with 330bhp. Only car in my garage I show some respect to so I doff my cap to your 600bhp+ monster! I'd be driving yours like a fast bike for fear of death

Yes , remember once exiting the bus stop area at Spa in a race and the cockpit was filled with smoke ...... also reduced drive so I thought the clutch had gone . It was just wheelsman , later I wen to the beginning of the pitlane to go and see the two long black lines

Apollo 13

AndrewD said: C08 Japan not C18. The two things I can think of are: - Japan GT2 is LHD - The Japanese car also has option code 912 “ohne typschild” so there isn’t an option code sticker on the inside of the bonnet Also has 92l fuel tank (option code 545) - not sure if C16 got this. Option code 912 was for deletion of the ali plate in the front compartment that lists the VIN and the axle loads etc. Larger fuel tank was only type approved for LHD cars. Edited by AW10 on Thursday 25th June 22:21

AndrewD said: As the car arrived today I thought I would start a thread so here it is. It’s the arctic silver car recently advertised at DK Engineering, 2 owners, 26k miles and a full history. It is immaculate and flew through the usual meticulous inspection by Neil Bainbridge. A late 1996 car (MY97) supplied to Japan and then it went to California. I have the original seats and steering wheel in boxes but we fitted new sumptuously trimmed Recaro Pole Positions and a GT1 steering wheel. Otherwise the car is standard. You can hopefully see from the photos below how different arctic is from polar silver, which was a more common (if I can say that about a GT2) colour - my RS Clubsport is polar and it is clearly a more blue hue. The car is epic to drive - I was expecting old school massive turbo lag but it feels pretty linear. And it feels as fast as a modern GT3 or RS so it must have been a beast back in the mid 90’s. of course, you don’t have RWS and the other chassis trickery of a modern 911 and you are very aware of the weight in the rear out over the axle. Something with depth and a joy to learn. Congratulations on a truly superb purchase. That's a dream line up there and a dream garage too. Look forward to hearing your driving impressions. As the ultimate 993, it would be interesting to hear how it compares with the 993RS.

Looks lovely Andrew, can't wait to chase it through the alps

AndrewD said: £855k with a little bit of last minute bidding - not enough to persuade me to part with it. The whole process of doing the video and the photographs was a lot of fun, and then Harry Metcalfe put a video up. Looking forward to some adventures with the GT2. So if it doesn’t hit reserve and sell you don’t pay CC anything (or just a small admin fee)? Nothing ventured nothing gained I suppose, has the market softened or would you get back what you paid via SOR with one of the big boys like DK or THJ?

Adam. said: So if it doesn’t hit reserve and sell you don’t pay CC anything (or just a small admin fee)? Nothing ventured nothing gained I suppose, has the market softened or would you get back what you paid via SOR with one of the big boys like DK or THJ? Yep, as a seller no fee whether it sells or not. I don’t need to sell the car, have my eye on something expensive but not a must-have, and it was worth testing where CC could get it as they seem to be on a roll.

I watched the Harry's garage vid. Still love GT2 remember used to see one at Mayfair Porsche when in Park Lane. Only £150k! at £850k I'd say worth every penny watching the vid. 996/997 dull as dishwater as an experience by comparison. Lovely.

IMI A said: I watched the Harry's garage vid. Still love GT2 remember used to see one at Mayfair Porsche when in Park Lane. Only £150k! at £850k I'd say worth every penny watching the vid. 996/997 dull as dishwater as an experience by comparison. Lovely. My local bike shop, in the next village, had a post-refurb open day about ten years back. One of the customers turned up in a silver 993 GT2. I don’t think anyone else knew what it was - probably most thought it was a badly botched-up, old Porsche. I knew, went to talk with the owner about it. He’d had the car a while and was obviously very attached to it. Didn’t ask prices, but I do recall that by then these cars were climbing through £200k mark.

I've only experienced a normally aspirated Ninemeister 993 with circa 330bhp. Best 911 I've ever driven. These GT2 are unicorns but I have to be honest if you can't pedal do not bother. You'll swap ends at three fig speeds no probs at all. Little above my ability. I see the 964 3.8 RS at hairpin sold. £1.3m ask. GT2 are worth more imo to me anyway.

IMI A said: I've only experienced a normally aspirated Ninemeister 993 with circa 330bhp. Best 911 I've ever driven. These GT2 are unicorns but I have to be honest if you can't pedal do not bother. You'll swap ends at three fig speeds no probs at all. Little above my ability. I see the 964 3.8 RS at hairpin sold. £1.3m ask. GT2 are worth more imo to me anyway. I think you are over rating the gt2 a bit;)great cars they are,they behave very well and all that b ks about widow maker etc,i would prefer the 3.8 rs or cgt.

Yes CGT money no object for me. I properly loved the 9m 993. I think its those plastic wheel arches on GT2. Porn.

In 2004 I bought a LHD 993tt on the continent for what I think was about £37K. About a year later GT Classics had a GT2 up for sale for about £60K. I couldn't make the man maths work so didn't make the change. Hey ho.

Yellow491 said: I think you are over rating the gt2 a bit;)great cars they are,they behave very well and all that b ks about widow maker etc,i would prefer the 3.8 rs or cgt. All very different beasties though - have a 4.0 rather than 3.8RS, to me that is probably peak “modern” 911. And CGT is peak car, for me anyway.

Yellow491 said: I think you are over rating the gt2 a bit;)great cars they are,they behave very well and all that b ks about widow maker etc,i would prefer the 3.8 rs or cgt. Are you referring to the 964 3.8 RS Paul ?

Slippydiff said: Yellow491 said: I think you are over rating the gt2 a bit;)great cars they are,they behave very well and all that b ks about widow maker etc,i would prefer the 3.8 rs or cgt. Are you referring to the 964 3.8 RS Paul ? Yes slippy.

Recent review of the 964 3.8 RS here : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QFx9DTFz0hs

Slippydiff said: Recent review of the 964 3.8 RS here : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QFx9DTFz0hs Spare me!cant watch adds and crap. Off to Aircooled only track day at combe on thursday,should be fun.

The 964 3.8RS at Hairpin was one of only two RHD 3.8RS ... a car ordered by Jack Tordoff of JCT600. The remaining 54 cars were all LHD ... and the 45 RSR's were all LHD ( numbers now checked !). A GT2 is good, but not in the same league IMHO. But if a car is worth more to you than a prospective purchaser and you don't have a use for the cash ... why would you sell it ? Edited by ChrisW. on Monday 30th August 09:39

Patience ... patience. Ad deleted ... I thought it was a good watch ... but then I would ! Wagonpass and road legal .... Edited by ChrisW. on Monday 30th August 10:10

Do you now own the Mamerow car Chris ? I thought the above review was a bit disappointing - fails to mention the ITB's or properly capture the noise at WOT which is something else. The engine really is a masterpiece.

Lovely self-gift there for all the hard work and hassle last year Chris. Looks wonderful- hope you enjoy it and also that I get to see it out on track.

ChrisW. said: P.S. You have mentioned the independent throttle bodies the fabulous sound of which was mentioned ... unrestricted the engine could run up to 350bhp but I would be planning a long life performance strategy !! Edited by ChrisW. on Monday 30th August 16:35 I think they make a touch more then that unrestricted - I heard around the 375bhp range. My engine makes around 330bhp but I'm guessing it's running mild cams since it's very tractable but it really needs a remap as it's running pretty rich - need to get it down to Wayne at some point.

Yes. It doesn't have a Porsche vin number ... it is a Mamerow with a Mamerow vin number built with Porsche's blessing (although at the time they wouldn't supply the RSR rear wing (... too much competition ?)) Mamerow Engineering already owned a 964 Cup bought new from Porsche which Peter Mamerow competed in '91 and '92 but couldn't get a 3.8RSR. So using all new Porsche 3.8RSR parts this Mamerow / Porsche was built by Mamerow Engineering using the Turbo wing that was available, it competed in '93 but crashed three quarters of the way through the season at Ahlhorn (where 6 out of 23 cars were DNF's), was parked up and was then re-built in 2012 by which time Porsche would of course supply the correct wing. The Wagenpass was carried over and the car could be raced by Peter or Christian Mamerow (who was then an Audi works driver). Once finished, the sponsor decided that the car was far too nice to race ... there had been 45 road going 3.8 RS's ... so in 964RS N-GT style the car had a handbrake fitted and was road registered in Germany. As with many of these cars it found its way to the UK, and then to me. Having done 20,000 Km in my 964RS N-GT and done a bit of amateur racing, I think this could be a lot of fun ... P.S. You have mentioned the independent throttle bodies the fabulous sound of which was mentioned ... unrestricted the engine could run up to 350bhp but I would be planning a long life performance strategy !! Edited by ChrisW. on Monday 30th August 19:07

Certainly Wayne is the person to make the most of it ... you are probably right on more than 350bhp, my 3.6 with Motec and a Wayne Schofield remap was giving 340bhp ... cat bypass, primary exhaust, secondary bypass and a Wills Tip bringing it in at just under 105db ... I just don't want to expect too much ...

Digga said: Lovely self-gift there for all the hard work and hassle last year Chris. Looks wonderful- hope you enjoy it and also that I get to see it out on track. Thanks ... it feels like an exciting thing to do ...

Nice one chris,look forward to seeing at our rs track day next year,great cars. Green put a dizzy vent pipe on your dizzy and a few extra vent holes as per chris car Pic.

SignalGruen said: ChrisW. said: P.S. You have mentioned the independent throttle bodies the fabulous sound of which was mentioned ... unrestricted the engine could run up to 350bhp but I would be planning a long life performance strategy !! Edited by ChrisW. on Monday 30th August 16:35 I think they make a touch more then that unrestricted - I heard around the 375bhp range. My engine makes around 330bhp but I'm guessing it's running mild cams since it's very tractable but it really needs a remap as it's running pretty rich - need to get it down to Wayne at some point. Neil P claimed 400 hp from his example back in 2007 : Current Fleet Porsche 356 A Porsche 993 RSR 380HP Porsche 964 RS Clubsport 340HP Porsche 964 RSR 400 HP Porsche 911 S/T Group 4 300HP , 950KG 911 Previously Owned Porsche 993 RS Clubsport 340HP Porsche 996 GT3 RS Porsche 964 RS Lightweight 280HP Porsche 993 C4S Silver 98Car Porsche 993 RS Lightweight Porsche 911T 150 HP Porsche 911 1972 2.5 Group 4 Porsche 964 RS Clubsport 290HP Yellow, would that be realistic ? I seem to recall 380-385hp was claimed for the most highly tuned 964 3.8 RSR sprint engines ?

Here's a rep with a good 'n revvy 3.8 on ITBs : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf2EdAzJYKg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBwfhrf0s8U

ChrisW. said: Digga said: Lovely self-gift there for all the hard work and hassle last year Chris. Looks wonderful- hope you enjoy it and also that I get to see it out on track. Thanks ... it feels like an exciting thing to do ... I have it on good authority that it's also definitely the right thing to do.

Slippydiff said: Neil P claimed 400 hp from his example back in 2007 : Current Fleet Porsche 356 A Porsche 993 RSR 380HP Porsche 964 RS Clubsport 340HP Porsche 964 RSR 400 HP Porsche 911 S/T Group 4 300HP , 950KG 911 Previously Owned Porsche 993 RS Clubsport 340HP Porsche 996 GT3 RS Porsche 964 RS Lightweight 280HP Porsche 993 C4S Silver 98Car Porsche 993 RS Lightweight Porsche 911T 150 HP Porsche 911 1972 2.5 Group 4 Porsche 964 RS Clubsport 290HP Yellow, would that be realistic ? I seem to recall 380-385hp was claimed for the most highly tuned 964 3.8 RSR sprint engines ? Yes it was 400 ,its back in the usa now in a collection sadly Because of its history.But not standard rsr,it was breathed on my pmna and Andial with slides and remap etc,it was a kit andial came up with. Me and NP ex Genuine rsr we purchased from the usa years ago which is proper mint, is now up for sale if any one is feeling flush,it was to good for us to ramp around,never raced,would make a great paring With the red 3.8rs and White rsr.

1 of 8 RHD https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/19201209 They have a 993 RS Club Sport too! https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/19201213

Amazing cars, amazing values

Jones the cat said: 1 of 8 RHD https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/19201209 “Current ownership 18 years.” Would be intrigued to find out what the sale price was back in 2007.

Babw said: Current ownership 18 years. Would be intrigued to find out what the sale price was back in 2007. I sold my 1998 LHD 993 GT Evo for £125k early in 2007.

Is that the ex lovett car! Great cars having owned a few including the first rhd strasse version built and the only rhd gt2r,but far to expensive for what they are now to be fully enjoyed.

Both incredible cars and nice examples. Values are what they are and due to relative numbers produced may not correct too far of at all? Interesting comparing values of Lhd to Rhd variants now that the US can import these cars, import tariff aside. I appreciate there is a certain Mandy Rice Davies to this statement, but of the collectible Porsche line up the 993 RS CS still seems like reasonable value to me?

993rsr said: Babw said: Current ownership 18 years. Would be intrigued to find out what the sale price was back in 2007. I sold my 1998 LHD 993 GT Evo for £125k early in 2007. They went up to about £250k fairly soon after - can remember seeing a silver one arrive at an open day at our local bike shop (around 2010 IIRC), and telling the wife that. There was a black one, very similar to the one in the add around village for a while too. Just stunning, awesome cars.

[quote=Jones the cat]1 of 8 RHD https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/19201209 Many moons ago I went to view this GT2. Was then being ‘sold’ by a Sean Lockyear (I use the word ‘sold’ very loosely) As previous poster mentions; was the ex Lovetts GT2 and used to be Midnight blue before apparent reshell. The blue door pulls are a giveaway and more so when you look and prod closely. Opened the glove box and could still see midnight blue paint !! DL were quite open and helpful regarding the cars history. Was still a quite fabulous looking Porsche and remains a significant and rare C16 GT2

jonny finance said: Jones the cat said: 1 of 8 RHD https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/19201209 Many moons ago I went to view this GT2. Was then being sold by a Sean Lockyear (I use the word sold very loosely) As previous poster mentions; was the ex Lovetts GT2 and used to be Midnight blue before apparent reshell. The blue door pulls are a giveaway and more so when you look and prod closely. Opened the glove box and could still see midnight blue paint !! DL were quite open and helpful regarding the cars history. Was still a quite fabulous looking Porsche and remains a significant and rare C16 GT2 Was it not a turbo shell from memory.

Folklore says it had a not too bad head on at the crest of a hump back bridge when new. causing a crumpled front tub. Rather than repair and always have a repaired car, Peter Lovett had the factory prepare a complete GT2 shell for him and stripped the original and rebuilt on to the new. The car was still midnight blue, as per when first collected from the factory by Peter and his young son Edward. The next owner had the car resprayed black to match his other Porsches at his home in Jersey.

One listed today for auction https://www.elferspot.com/en/car/porsche-993-gt2-1...

Jones the cat said: One listed today for auction https://www.elferspot.com/en/car/porsche-993-gt2-1... Utterly beautiful looking machine. White really suits it. Shows off all the joins in the homologation arch extensions, which I just love.

Listed as having carbon ceramic brakes?

They have a 993 RS Club Sport too! https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/19201213 [/quote] There were actually 7 RHD not 6, believe it might just be 5 left, 2 written off. I was 2nd owner of the Riviera Blue one from Rivervale Porsche, paid £72,995 for it, had it 6 months then fell in love with Ferrari 355, and then started my Ferrari buy in. Had a Midnight Blue 993 RS before, HR Owen Hatfield, that was the more enjoyable car, should have kept that one, now residing in Malaysia.

Adam. said: Listed as having carbon ceramic brakes? Good point. I also spotted that and wasn't sure when they became a thing, or if they're retro-fitted, like Surface Transforms or something?

They look like normal iron discs in the photos. Maybe the researcher confused 993 and 996 GT2 when writing the waffle.

thegreenhell said: They look like normal iron discs in the photos. Maybe the researcher confused 993 and 996 GT2 when writing the waffle. Asked Chat GPT more like.

There were actually 7 RHD not 6, believe it might just be 5 left, 2 written off. I was 2nd owner of the Riviera Blue one from Rivervale Porsche, paid £72,995 for it, had it 6 months then fell in love with Ferrari 355, and then started my Ferrari buy in. Had a Midnight Blue 993 RS before, HR Owen Hatfield, that was the more enjoyable car, should have kept that one, now residing in Malaysia. [/quote] There are actually 25 RHD cars, 16 UK C16 cars. They are all fully documented with exact build specs in the bible for GT2's from RPM https://rpm-books.myshopify.com/products/porsche-9...

I think there are two conversations going on at once. 7 refers to the original number of 993 GT3 RS Clubsport UK C16 cars .... GT2's are something else ....

Sorry 993RS Clubsport ... there was no 993 GT3 ... it started at 996

maura said: They have a 993 RS Club Sport too! https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/19201213 There were actually 7 RHD not 6, believe it might just be 5 left, 2 written off. I was 2nd owner of the Riviera Blue one from Rivervale Porsche, paid £72,995 for it, had it 6 months then fell in love with Ferrari 355, and then started my Ferrari buy in. Had a Midnight Blue 993 RS before, HR Owen Hatfield, that was the more enjoyable car, should have kept that one, now residing in Malaysia. Which of the two Riviera cars did you own? RHD cars left were 2 x Black cars - one where bouncer had door bar cut out and one that has some front end trauma assume stage maybe ? 2 x Rivieria cars - one with air con and one without. RPM sold teh Ashgood Classic and Sportscars one recently too 1 x polar silver car that had a few mods and then back to standard when my friend owned for a very long time I had the Rivieria car M3RSR reg at the time for about 10 years. Shouldn't have sold that one as regretted saying yes the moment the deal was agreed so bought a LHD CS the following day. Im not too old to put up with the noise driving them but feel I can't not have one on teh garage somewhere as just love them.

Shadow62 said: maura said: They have a 993 RS Club Sport too! https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/19201213 There were actually 7 RHD not 6, believe it might just be 5 left, 2 written off. I was 2nd owner of the Riviera Blue one from Rivervale Porsche, paid £72,995 for it, had it 6 months then fell in love with Ferrari 355, and then started my Ferrari buy in. Had a Midnight Blue 993 RS before, HR Owen Hatfield, that was the more enjoyable car, should have kept that one, now residing in Malaysia. Which of the two Riviera cars did you own? RHD cars left were 2 x Black cars - one where bouncer had door bar cut out and one that has some front end trauma assume stage maybe ? 2 x Rivieria cars - one with air con and one without. RPM sold teh Ashgood Classic and Sportscars one recently too 1 x polar silver car that had a few mods and then back to standard when my friend owned for a very long time I had the Rivieria car M3RSR reg at the time for about 10 years. Shouldn't have sold that one as regretted saying yes the moment the deal was agreed so bought a LHD CS the following day. Im not too old to put up with the noise driving them but feel I can't not have one on teh garage somewhere as just love them. One of the riviera had a bit of trauma also,i have a postcard picture of one of them at shelsley walsh hillclimb/mac were selling postcards with it half way up the hill. I also used to race against one of the black cars a friend had for some time,I remember the door bar being cut out of the one black one,as he was a big guy.

The non a/c one.. no a/c didn’t bother me back then, just I thought my previous 993 RS drove better, and I took a lot of ribbing on the the Riviera colour and the huge wing. Then drove a 355 and was sold. I’m still sure the car was called RSR in the UK, but I know more knowledgeable Porsche experts have said they were called ClubSport in UK as well. Great historical Porsches.

maura said: The non a/c one.. no a/c didn t bother me back then, just I thought my previous 993 RS drove better, and I took a lot of ribbing on the the Riviera colour and the huge wing. Then drove a 355 and was sold. I m still sure the car was called RSR in the UK, but I know more knowledgeable Porsche experts have said they were called ClubSport in UK as well. Great historical Porsches. Reading called them rsr for some bizarre reason,nothing like a rsr. My rsr that i owned and raced for some 15 years,wicked little car.

maura said: The non a/c one.. no a/c didn t bother me back then, just I thought my previous 993 RS drove better, and I took a lot of ribbing on the the Riviera colour and the huge wing. Then drove a 355 and was sold. I m still sure the car was called RSR in the UK, but I know more knowledgeable Porsche experts have said they were called ClubSport in UK as well. Great historical Porsches. sounds like I owned your car after you. I owned the car from 2008/09 until maybe 2014/15 I think.

I remember them being called RSR too by the dealers when new but probably due to the dealers at the time offering the comfort cars (M002) with optional RSR spoilers

maura said: The non a/c one.. no a/c didn t bother me back then, just I thought my previous 993 RS drove better, and I took a lot of ribbing on the the Riviera colour and the huge wing. Then drove a 355 and was sold. I m still sure the car was called RSR in the UK, but I know more knowledgeable Porsche experts have said they were called ClubSport in UK as well. Great historical Porsches. The two Riviera blue cars resided in East Anglia for many years, I saw your car when it was at OPC Cambridge wtih the first owner very little use and sat in a barn for years (owned by a Farmer). The other one (the only CS with AC) was for sale at Colchester OPC, a friend who was a farmer went to look at it, he was a big guy, persuaded them to cut the door bars and lower them for easier access which they did, then he didn't buy it in the end. Another friend bought it from them. Edited by 993rsr on Saturday 8th November 13:53