Has anyone weighed their cars and or corner weighed them? I would be curious to know what our cars weigh. According to my registration, my CS weighs 1450 KG or about 3196 lbs. Any real numbers out there?
im 145lbs and weighed my car at the drag strip with a 1/4 tank of gas at 3015 lbs
What options do you have on the car? 3015 is not too bad but still pretty portly. Any others?
3015 with driver and with 1/4 tank of gas isn't "portly" compared to anything but an Elise/Exige. What other 2006 or newer sports car with driver and gas weighs less?
I wouldn't consider 3015 with driver heavy...but it can always be lighter I guess.
S2000
is what 2835 + driver + fuel that's going to be pretty close to 3015...
I'll try not to laugh at the
Miata
...
Maybe I should have said "sub 5 second 0-60 sports car from the factory"
Ariel Atom
(a bit impractical but fits the definition)
3050lbs, 1/4 tank gas.
fikses profil 10, 18"
RA1
moton
rear roll bar
non
pccb
brakes
sport steering wheel.
GT3
seats with harness.
bose
xenon
it's not obese (sp), but this is not light by any stretch of the imagination.
and ken is right, the only "car" that's SIGNIFICANTLY lighter than cay is elise and exige. i really want to try one on track.
Ok, I guess it's not portly but it's still not light. I have 18" wheels, bi-xenon, sport wheel, SC and that's about it.
A new Z06 is 3150 (i know, I know, with lots of CF and stuff) and the car is bigger than the CS with a much larger motor. A new
Carrera
S is 3250 or so and a
GT3
(997) is about 100lbs less than that (the RS is less than that by a few pounds). All these weights are according to Motor Trend which also has the CS at 3088lbs.
It seems that the reported #'s are pretty accurate (except for my registration).
3029# w/o driver 1/4 tank - 18" OE wheels, Pss9's, Sport seats, xenon,
sport chrono
, Milltech Exhaust....
the
GT3
and Z06 are light but lack many creature comforts, sound deadening, and the like...as always its a tradeoff.
GT3
Weights:
Curb weight 3,075 lbs. (1,395 kg) -
Unladen weight (EG) 3,241 lbs. (1,470 kg)
dw
Without going crazy and stripping the car down to the bare bones, what would you guys say are the major changes that should be made to a stock CS to drop some significant weight? Are there any??
I would guess wheels and seats for starters? What else?
The "most" significant thing you can do is drop unsprung weight. That means ... lighter wheels. If you can find ANY information on the weight of the OEM wheels, please let us all know because we want that info for the FAQ.
All the "options" add some kind of weight but I'm betting there is not much you can do without sacrificing some comfort. For example, A/C weighs something. Carpeting weighs more than you might think. Sound deadoning? The cover over the engine? Dunno.
chris, the magazinen lied.
my 3050 or so wt for cayman is measured on my car.
on ********, 997GT3 is weighing in around 3300lbs.
sad but true, i can't remember the options, but it was not heavily loaded.
Really? Wow, maybe the CS is not so bad after all.
Mooty, 2 questions for you: what does your 996
GT3
weigh and how much does your roll bar in the CS weigh?
Hey, at least we don't have a heavy spare tire!!
i dont have the exact wt for my 996gt3, can't find the setup book (you know i have to hide the receipts from wife). but i know it is more than 3000lbs and less than 3100lbs. that include a rear roll bar, fikses 18" and
GT3
seats. steel brakes.
i dont know what my roll bar weighs. sorry.
i was very surprised to hear the new
gt3
is 3300+ lbs. i have to use that as a street cruiser then :burnout:
You could make it into a "pimp who ride" or better yet, get some 28" wheels and make it into a "Donk"!!
http://students.washington.edu/nasir1/donk.jpg
Thanks for the weights.
Given weights of most cars used primarily on the street, under 3100 lbs. today is not bad. Sure, I'd like it to be less, but I'm not sure the market as a whole would feel the same. Both my A4 and G35 Coupe are around 3500-3600 lbs. The items a lot of people demand in their cars like air conditioning, sound deadening, power this and that all add weight. I can't find the article any where, but I remember
BMW
saying that all the airbags, mouting and triggering hardware, etc. added almost 100 lbs to their cars. Even cars I consider pretty stripper like the Integra Type R and
S2000
are in the 2800-2900 lb. category. The Elise has to employ some different methods to get down to 2100 lbs. like no sound deadening, bonded aluminum frame, and thin fiberglass body. Most people would not live with something like this day to day, which is why you don't see thousands of them on a road near you. Even lower range cars like a Civic or Mazda 3 are tipping the scales at 2900 lbs these days, probably becasue of what people are demanding in their cars.
If it helps or means anything the
Rolex
Cup ST class cars are running 2300# (mini) to 2800#(E46 330) with full cages and fire supression, etc... with the 2000 boxter at a min of 2600#
Thats not to say they couldn't be lighter...its just where the rules put them for min weights given hp and other cars in the class. But it lets you know where you stand in relation to pro racers on TV
4130 steel tubing 1.75" OD and .090 thick is about 2#'s per foot. 1020 mild steel at .120 is about 3x the weight give or take..
dw
The discussion of the weights of modern cars and Porsches in particular always gets me fired up. I will try to be brief
I think a defense of the weight p-cars based on the weight of other cars is bunk.
Porsche
could be different with its development. I know everything is profit driven and it is easier to let the weight increase….But it really bothers me that PAG comes out claiming that the CS, for example, is suppose to be a back to the roots of type of sports cars and is geared for the enthusiast, but yet doesn’t do anything to significantly lower the weight from the
Boxster
. Why not use lighter weight body panels and hatch (or even do this on both cars)? For the sake of the
911
and the CS/987 cars why doesn’t the development of the flat 6 include figuring out how to lower the weight (i.e. what
BMW
has done with some of the new 3 series engines). The truth of the matter is the vast majority of owners don’t care about weight. They want power. Therefore the easy solution is let the weight creep up as long as the power does too.
Porsche
has let the weight be what it is because it can and buyers don’t care. More than likely
Porsche
could have easily made the
Cayman S
2700-2800 lbs. without going crazy with a aluminum chassis or other exotic materials everywhere and without significantly lessening creature comforts.
While I don’t disagree that mandated or recommended safety items and buyer driven luxury items cause the weight increases of cars, I fail to see why
Porsche
can’t be different in their implications of some of these items.
Porsche
already charges a premium for all their cars so small increases to use items like lighter weight body panels and such would not significantly increase the cost of the car. Every
Porsche
also has a option list a mile long, so why not make the luxury items optional? They could even offer a greater sound damping package and charge more. You know some people would go for it. I understand how mainstream cars like the civics, accords,
camrys
, etc. increase in weight, because the price points of these cars do not provide for the use of some weight saving measures and the buyers are more sensitive to comfort and price vs. pure performance. But people don’t cross shop a civic, accord, etc. with any
Porsche
.
The issues you raise are valid. Having campaigned a 2000lb
911
, fretting about anything that doesn't add to either speed or safety does matter.
Porsche
also has an annoying habit of charging more for less- stripping out the street car to make an RS or Clubsport with a few minor mechanical upgrades. Unfortunately, the vast majority of their market want a high volume airconditioner more than a lighter vehicle. The knowledgable enthusiast niche is sadly a small one in their current business plan.
I agree with you both and offer this little video that shows that simply adding more power does not always make a faster car.
Enjoy.
IMSA
GT3
Cup min weight is 2536lbs....and 2756 w/ driver. PCA uses same rules. We're not talking much more for a
cayman
with full street gear. Less than 300lbs.
Could
Porsche
have shaved 150-200 off the car at design? sure... but its really not a heavy car to start with.
dw
I picked up my plates today and the registration lists the scaled weight at 2855 lbs. This is on the lighter side for a
Cayman S
but I don't have heavy options such as the
Bose
w subwoofer and full power adaptive seats.
If we're talking about making the
cayman
lighter how about substituting polymer body panels for the steel? My 1995 saturn sports coupe is almost the identical height, length and width of the
cayman
but weighs only 2,380 pounds thanks in large measure to the polymer body panels. They also don't dent like steel. Any thoughts on that?
I weighed my car at Roebling Road shortly after delivery.
LF: 711
RF: 717
LR: 846
RR: 812
Total Weight: 3,086lbs
Sport Seats, stock 18" wheels, full tank, non-
pasm suspension
Received my registration and plates today and the scaled weight is listed at 2855lbs. It feels light and looks mean!
According to the GVW stated on the placards, a Z06 weighs roughly 200 lbs less than a
Cayman S
. I know that because I thought this guy driving a Z06 at Jim Russell was blowing smoke, so we compared.
Perhaps adding adaptable sport seats even makes more of a difference ...
My CS weighed 3087# with a full tank (3032 with an indicated half tank), and without driver. When I got in, my weight (171#) was distributed as follows: 33.9% to LF, 11.7% to RF, 38.6% to LR, and 15.8% to RR. Thus, 72.5% was on the left side, and 27.5% was on the right; 45.6% at the front, and 54.4% at the rear. Your body weight may vary, but your body weight distribution percentages are probably very similar to what we measured, so you can put that in your notebook.
GVW is usually GVWR, or gross vehicle weight rating, and indicates the axle capacity, not the actual weight. No car I know of has the curb weight on any data panel on the car. It may be in the manual, though.
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