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Hi Ive currently got a C63 amg and have previously owned a 997 c2 Im looking ahead and am hoping ill be abke to spend c £70k on my next car....im hankering after a 991 c2s or a v12 vantage Id be most interested in hearing ownership experiences of the 991 c2s or c2 or c4 for that matter!!

turboman786 said: Hi Ive currently got a C63 amg and have previously owned a 997 c2 Im looking ahead and am hoping ill be abke to spend c £70k on my next car....im hankering after a 991 c2s or a v12 vantage Id be most interested in hearing ownership experiences of the 991 c2s or c2 or c4 for that matter!! Without doubt the best car I have ever owned!!!

I was lent one by OPC for a week or two. Its fantastic

Accomplished that the 991C2S is, the general consensus is that it has lost its sports car feel compared with the 997, and is now more sports GT and rather synthetic partly due to the rather inert electric steering compared to the neutrality (in 2wd form) of the 997 hydraulic steering. I am currently using a 991 C2S PDK coupe alongside my 997 GTS PDK coupe 2wd and find myself choosing the 997 GTS most of the time largely due to it being far more involving as a true sports car plus sounding far better as well..... There are various reports saying that the "manuel" 991 gearbox is shi compared to the 997, but I wouldn t have anything other than a PDK 911 although appreciate some people prefer the strange stick and third pedal arrangement of old...

I have had both Gen1 and Gen2 997 and now have a 991 PDK C2, didn't go for the C2S as frankly I got a great deal and the C2 was (considerably) cheaper. I have Sports Chrono Plus and, wow it makes the car fast. Is it as good as the 997? By some considerable margin, I note the comments of the GTS above but don't agree. I loved my 997s and agree the manual is the daddy of the modern 911 gearboxes but the 991 PDK is the best dual clutch box, (IMO) and suits the slightly manic engine of the C2. As an overall car the 991 has a split personality, (option dependant). In normal driving mode it may not be as sharp as 997, but it is a better cruiser/daily driver. However, push the Sports Plus button and it all changes, the dynamic engine mounts are key to this. For me, and this is subjective, the 991 is better a better car to run everyday, whereas the 997 less so, (but still an outstanding car). In fairness, I have not driven them back to back as av185 has, I sold my last 997 nearly 2 years ago. Lots of better drivers than me say the steering is better in the 997 but honestly I just don't feel it/agree. Maybe the 997 has 5% more feel, but my C2 991 does 0-60 in just over 4 seconds, while returning 30 mpg and is very entertaining on the twisty stuff, more so than my 997s. Seems like a win win to me. I also had a C63 and to say I hated it is an understatement. The difference in driving it and the ownership experience, are not in the same galaxy let alone playing field as Porsche. The only way to truly decide is to drive one, the balance of a 991 (any) from a C63 will blow you away. Interestingly my 350bhp 991 is quite a bit faster than my near 467bhp C63..... But, best of all it just feels like a real sports car v a sports coupe. For £70k you can find later plate C2S but I urge you to consider a C2, while it is 50bhp down on a C2S, you wouldn't notice it and you might get a newer car for less money.

findtomdotcom said: I also had a C63 and to say I hated it is an understatement. The difference in driving it and the ownership experience, are not in the same galaxy let alone playing field as Porsche. The only way to truly decide is to drive one, the balance of a 991 (any) from a C63 will blow you away. Interestingly my 350bhp 991 is quite a bit faster than my near 467bhp C63..... But, best of all it just feels like a real sports car v a sports coupe. The ownership experience must have been sweetened by a £2k profit on selling the car!

Can't really compare the cars being discussed.... Neither the Merc or Aston are true sports cars.....more sports GTs....whereas the 911 in most guises, Turbo and some argue certain 991s excepted, is a very practical 'true' driver focused sports car......

av185 said: Can't really compare the cars being discussed.... Neither the Merc or Aston are true sports cars.....more sports GTs....whereas the 911 in most guises, Turbo and some argue certain 991s excepted, is a very practical 'true' driver focused sports car...... Everybody to their own. I find 991s to be a nice car but not exactly what I'd call focused. The word sterile comes to mind. I owned a new Cayman S for six months and I much preferred it to the various 991s I've driven. If it wasn't for the back seats I wouldn't advise anybody to spend a third more on a 991.

DMC2 said: av185 said: Can't really compare the cars being discussed.... Neither the Merc or Aston are true sports cars.....more sports GTs....whereas the 911 in most guises, Turbo and some argue certain 991s excepted, is a very practical 'true' driver focused sports car...... Everybody to their own. I find 991s to be a nice car but not exactly what I'd call focused. The word sterile comes to mind. I owned a new Cayman S for six months and I much preferred it to the various 991s I've driven. If it wasn't for the back seats I wouldn't advise anybody to spend a third more on a 991. Yes in my original post on this thread I called the 991 S rather synthetic.....in particular compared to certain 2w.d 997s and notably the GTS with the hydraulic steering which gives far more neutrality and feel compared to the electric and rather inert steering of the 991....technological progress? Interesting what you say re the Cayman....I always discounted these mainly due to its pig ugly looks compared to the Carreras.....but have been using a 3month old Cayman S PDK for a few days and would say the car is as quick as a Carrera S on most twisting and fairly rapid A and B roads....only the top end where theres a notable difference....

AdYa said: The ownership experience must have been sweetened by a £2k profit on selling the car! It made the conversation with Mrs Findtomdotcom that much easier.... Cayman or 911? Well the Cayman is an outstanding car, (had a boxster a few years ago). But it's not a 911 and for some (like me), a 911 is still a 911, (plus I have kids).... To be fair, I think that a short test drive does not show the 991 at its best, I had mine on test drive for 3 days before I really fell in love with it. But to each their own, some will love its dual personality and some will not. It is a very expensive car and when measured against cost v performance, the Cayman does start to make a lot more sense.

av185 said: Accomplished that the 991C2S is, the general consensus is that it has lost its sports car feel compared with the 997, and is now more sports GT and rather synthetic partly due to the rather inert electric steering compared to the neutrality (in 2wd form) of the 997 hydraulic steering. I am currently using a 991 C2S PDK coupe alongside my 997 GTS PDK coupe 2wd and find myself choosing the 997 GTS most of the time largely due to it being far more involving as a true sports car plus sounding far better as well..... There are various reports saying that the "manuel" 991 gearbox is shi compared to the 997, but I wouldn t have anything other than a PDK 911 although appreciate some people prefer the strange stick and third pedal arrangement of old... Does the C2S you are driving have pse as I've found most gen2 997s even with pse rather quiet, chose a Cayman R over a GTS after back to back test drives but after having driven 991S and new Cayman S both with pse back to back and driving the R to and from the test drive I was Pretty impressed with the 991. All old fashioned 3 pedal set up.

TBKBABAB said: av185 said: Accomplished that the 991C2S is, the general consensus is that it has lost its sports car feel compared with the 997, and is now more sports GT and rather synthetic partly due to the rather inert electric steering compared to the neutrality (in 2wd form) of the 997 hydraulic steering. I am currently using a 991 C2S PDK coupe alongside my 997 GTS PDK coupe 2wd and find myself choosing the 997 GTS most of the time largely due to it being far more involving as a true sports car plus sounding far better as well..... There are various reports saying that the "manuel" 991 gearbox is shi compared to the 997, but I wouldn t have anything other than a PDK 911 although appreciate some people prefer the strange stick and third pedal arrangement of old... Does the C2S you are driving have pse as I've found most gen2 997s even with pse rather quiet, chose a Cayman R over a GTS after back to back test drives but after having driven 991S and new Cayman S both with pse back to back and driving the R to and from the test drive I was Pretty impressed with the 991. All old fashioned 3 pedal set up. Yes it has s.e..... The 997nGen 2s are not as vociferous as the Gen1s with sport exhaust..... The GTS has sports exhaust as standard and I find it is as vocal as the Gen1with sports exhaust but with a better 408 bhp soundtrack.....

PSE on the 991 is quite a lot louder than any std 997 or Cayman.

Surely a 460 bhp AMG with more torque and 110 bhp would murder a C2? I am thinking of chopping in my E92 M3 for a 991 C2 S and was thinking that 414bhp to 400bhp wouldn't be a big enough leap taking into account the lower weight of the 991.

bigtime said: Surely a 460 bhp AMG with more torque and 110 bhp would murder a C2? I am thinking of chopping in my E92 M3 for a 991 C2 S and was thinking that 414bhp to 400bhp wouldn't be a big enough leap taking into account the lower weight of the 991. Maybe in a drag race or in pub talk. But I know which one is a saloon for men with hair chests and which one is a sports car. (I would always go for the C2S, though - Porsche is not known for selling overpowered cars, so why not get a little more ooomph?)

bigtime said: Surely a 460 bhp AMG with more torque and 110 bhp would murder a C2? I am thinking of chopping in my E92 M3 for a 991 C2 S and was thinking that 414bhp to 400bhp wouldn't be a big enough leap taking into account the lower weight of the 991. You might not think so, but I can promise you the AMG will not keep up with a C2 in a straight line (it is close), let alone in corners. I'm not saying that to willy wave but merely to make a point, the way a 991 deploys the power is the key to its speed, that and the faster gear change, better dynamics etc..

I'll be testing a 991 S manual with PSE tomorrow afternoon with a view to buy. It's up for £67k. Coming from a gen2 S manual with PSE. Should be interesting as the 991 C4S PDK left me cold.

findtomdotcom said: You might not think so, but I can promise you the AMG will not keep up with a C2 in a straight line (it is close), let alone in corners. I'm not saying that to willy wave but merely to make a point, the way a 991 deploys the power is the key to its speed, that and the faster gear change, better dynamics etc.. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. A quick google of the amg and carrera 2 991 and all results show 0-60, 0-100 & 0-150 the amg is much quicker and the in gear times favour the Merc even more. On paper the AMG is quicker than the Carrera s also. This doesn't mean I'd rather have the Merc though.

LOL, well that's your prerogative. But from someone who has owned both I can assure you I am correct, I'm a bit old to be making stuff up... Truth be told I too was a bit surprised, I had assumed they were very close (and that the AMG would be just that tiny bit quicker), but a few weeks ago I had the opportunity to test them side by side. I should also quantify my C2 has PDK and Sports Plus. If there is one option I can't recommend enough, it is Sports Plus!!

I think it all comes down to how it puts the power down, like others have said. You kind of take this for granted in a 911, but when moving back to rwd (front engined) on anything but a perfect surface you soon remember. A long time ago i had a 1M coupe, and that thing just could not get its power down, TC would light up at any chance. For the performance stats you get out of a 911 from the power, you would need a lot more elsewhere. Also PDK and SP help.

Had the use of a 991 S this afternoon. Sad to say but if I was going to buy a 991 it would have to be PDK, the manual is awful. Waited ages for one to come in to stock too. 7 gears didn't bother me, it just felt vague and plasticky and flimsy. I don't like PDK so a 991 is not an option. Steering was odd but expected (driven loads of miles in a 981 and 991 4s), brakes seemed over- assisted, H&T more tricky without that solid middle pedal. Engine note and steering wheel about the only familiar thing to my 997 S Gen2. Shame really, lovely car.

f1ashgordon said: Had the use of a 991 S this afternoon. Sad to say but if I was going to buy a 991 it would have to be PDK, the manual is awful. Waited ages for one to come in to stock too. 7 gears didn't bother me, it just felt vague and plasticky and flimsy. I don't like PDK so a 991 is not an option. Steering was odd but expected (driven loads of miles in a 981 and 991 4s), brakes seemed over- assisted, H&T more tricky without that solid middle pedal. Engine note and steering wheel about the only familiar thing to my 997 S Gen2. Shame really, lovely car. As I said in an earlier post, most people, including myself, feel the 991 Carrera S 'manuel' to be sorely let down by its poor gearbox, inert electric steering and overall transition to 'sports GT' from the 'sports car' 997 Carreras. Have you considered a 997 GTS manual? Whilst I prefer the GTS PDK, the manual gearbox is regarded as better than the 991, the hydraulic steering is perfectly balanced (especially in 2 w.d. guise), sports exhaust is standard and its as quick as a 991 S and benefits from a flatter torque curve. Attwood, one of the PEC drivers, said it was the best 911 he had driven......praise indeed!

av185 said: As I said in an earlier post, most people, including myself, feel the 991 Carrera S 'manuel' to be sorely let down by its poor gearbox, inert electric steering and overall transition to 'sports GT' from the 'sports car' 997 Carreras. Have you considered a 997 GTS manual? Whilst I prefer the GTS PDK, the manual gearbox is regarded as better than the 991, the hydraulic steering is perfectly balanced (especially in 2 w.d. guise), sports exhaust is standard and its as quick as a 991 S and benefits from a flatter torque curve. Attwood, one of the PEC drivers, said it was the best 911 he had driven......praise indeed! I agree. I've driven a 2wd gts manual and loved it. The difference between it and my gen2S with PSE however was negligible (to me on the road at least). If I had a GTS and someone offered me £20k to get into a CS, I'd decline, but I wouldn't pay £20k to go from mine to a gts. Bit convoluted, sorry. Interesting to note that OPC were running the car on regular unleaded, I asked because the car felt less lively. Mine is run on momentum/vpower. Not sure whether that's because the 991 does a great job of cosseting the driver both through the seat and the steering wheel or whether it was the fuel. I think the next step for me is gen2 GT3 or shoot back in time to a 993/964.