997 GTS, Turbo S, 991.2 - Confusing myself with indecision - Page 3 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

In previous posts I had some great input into a possible 991.2 GTS purchase, now I have confused myself with different possibilities. I have driven all the cars I am considering but am maybe frozen with indecision so any views from owners/former owners of these welcome - there has been plenty on here over the years but always interesting to hear more views: Summary/context: Kids recently started uni, we no longer need a DD 4 seater, we do need a car for driving around with my wife a few times a week to tenins club, visiting friends, family and also has to be a 2+2 for occasional back seat use. I have some 90s/00s Ferraris for weekend blasts. I don't track my cars. I live in central London, with forays out of town and an annual road trip to Italy. Needs to be a cabriolet (wife) and probably PDK although manual not out of question. When I sold our W204 C63 AMG estate, I bought a 992 C2S but found it uninvolving at UK speeds. Then bought a new Brabus B600 C63S cabriolet last year but sold it as it was boring unless on the Autobahn. Meanwhile home extensions mean my available budget has reduced: recently looking at £80k-ish for a 991.2 GTS but would be diplomatic to spend around £60k instead. In the £60k or thereabouts bracket my roundabout of options are: 997 GTS 997 Turbo S 997 S (and save some £) 991.2 S (991.1 but I didn't like the steering) Also considering a Ferrari California but maintenance costs would be undiplomatic. I always liked the 997 GTS but given it's a car that loves revs, wondering about TT S instead, for easier performance, then keep going back and forth into 991s. I guess I'm being indecisive as my last 2 purchases (992 S, Brabus) I have both sold, and lost £ on, because I got bored of them and don't want it to happen again. Did anyone get bored of their 997 TT S? Sometimes happens with turbo cars after the initial thrill wears off. I found the 991 Turbos brilliant but clinical. 997 is a bit less clinical but...GTS and S more sharp but more peaky...but... Going round in circles.

Sounds like we have similar car history, so hopefully some of what I type rings true. You mention about the Brabus being boring, I fear the TS may be similar. Incredible speed, not much noise. miles too quick for the road (I know all 911s are but this takes the biscuit). I like the 997GTS but it's quite an old car now and I feel they are overpriced. For 40k, yes, 60k seems too much. I'd go for the 991.2 assuming it's a pre OPF. in fact i've been window shopping for them this morning, but it's a way off for me! Rhodium silver for me, PSE, PDK (I assume Polar is only PTS now?).

Given the other cars in the garage & wanting something a bit more involving then the 997 generation will be a good shout, it has the hydraulic steering too. Not to complicate or add to further indecision but wondering if a base car might be more fun? It will be a car that will need going through the power band more without doing stupid speeds. Although with this model you may have to wait a bit more to find a car with the right spec - GTS will include a lot of stuff like sport chrono as standard. These cars are also cheaper, so any depreciation in terms of real ££ might be less than a more expensive car. Good luck

997.2 S will probably tick a lot of the boxes. 997 GTS is great but a lot more money as you say, and probably not worth the premium unless you're dead set on a GTS 997 PDK is more slow witted than 991 PDK so better to go manual if going 997

First Sea Lord said: 997.2 S will probably tick a lot of the boxes. 997 GTS is great but a lot more money as you say, and probably not worth the premium unless you're dead set on a GTS 997 PDK is more slow witted than 991 PDK so better to go manual if going 997 another vote for a manual 997.2 C2S - my friend had one and I loved driving that. My 997 RS is very special to drive, just the tactility etc while still being modern enough to not be a major hassle

I loved my 991.2 GTS but based on my experience I'd never have a 991.2 without a warranty. Mine needed replacemrent turbos (which I don't think is uncommon) amongst other bits and pieces. Expensive stuff if you're paying yourself. My 997 GT3 is much better put together!

997.2 is your best bet. I sold mine (manual Guards Red) for a Ferrari 599, but I’m an idiot. I’d have another 997.2 in a heartbeat. They’re fabulous.

Thank you, everyone. That's very helpful as it has helped narrow down my choice, as so far nobody has voted 997 Turbo S. And the point about 997 GTS vs 997.2 S + £20k is very valid. 997.2 S v 991.2 S, or indeed a base 991.2, good point, is now the next indecision. Organic feel, etc, push me towards the 997. But modernity and comfort, and just more punch, push to 991.2. Point taken about warranty. In fact ideally I would buy whatever car it was with a Porsche warranty, obviously easier on the newer ones.

For example, this 991.2 S is at £63,950 (manual cabrios are quite rare) https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/15574915 It seems like a good spec, though no Porsche warranty While this OPC 997.2 S has been on at £49.9k since before Christmas https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/15756736 It's PDK though

Another vote for 997 GTS here. I had a 997 GTS, then a 991 GTS & 922 GTS and would say the 991 is the worst of the three models. The 992 is clearly the most 'capable', but I do often think back about how good the 997 was in retrospect. Yes, its clearly old tech now, but the cabin is nice and for 90% of driving, the 997 GTS is more enjoyable likely due to reduced power, etc. You don't need to be going crazy speeds to be enjoying yourself, which is something obviously getting lost somewhere in modern sports/super cars. Also, if you are looking at something which may not lose its money, then I think the 997 is the best bet due to the numbers produced. In '2' guise there were about 700 registered I believe, and in '4' guise there were less than 200 registered. Compare that against the 991 where is it is literally thousands of each.

The car your after doesnt exist tbh.... so its a DD for you and the wife, a 2+2, not really for weekends, central london, auto, road trips AND has to be a cab lol. Thats a whole lot of compromises in every direction. The cars youve been through have all been sold because you got bored, see previous sentence. 997 of any flavour is closer to your Fezza's in terms of less daily usability. Yes you can, but you will miss all the trappings of a modern car for nipping down the shops and DD duties. Headlights, NVH, stereo, bluetooth, hvac etc etc. 991.1 Better as a DD than the 997, get the steering but try one without power steering plus, or try a GTS; albeit very compromised as a Cab.... Afford a targa? 991.2 As above, and better again as a DD. Engine better as a DD but not as involving and less sound. You mention plural Fezza's... open your options; sell one buy a more usable sports car for the road trips and weekends; and something more normal for the DD duties and you can still use the sports car too to mix it up when you get bored.... again

I think the op is overthinking it. Your limitations are living in central London and expecting the car to do all things to all men, and women. I live in NE London and have a base 997.1 manual. It’s useless already for London. Too fast. The gearing is too long and the roads are rubbish. One has to drive outside of London to enjoy the thing and then you’re limited by cameras, lots of cars on the road, speed bumps and 20 mph zones. A GTS, Turbo, Turbo S, even an S, are overkill, unless you track the car. Best to get a 991 PDK and be done with it. If you track the car look at others but for pootling around, you really don’t need any more than the base with some choice options.

There’s definitely some truth to the last two replies. I’m looking for a car that doesn’t exist..and I’m overthinking it. Can’t really deny that. And a 911 isn’t really a car I should be looking at, logically..but still, irrationality makes life, and car purchases, more interesting I guess. I suspect I will end up buying whatever very nice spec/colour combination of one of these comes up at a good price, first, with good warranty.

I have a manual 997 GTS. <<bias here>> but have driven a number of 991s. I almost switched to a 991T but it didn't do enough to be different. My only thinking is something very different like a 991 GTS Targa <<place dislike for targa comments here>> If you drive alot, and need to cruise, have more refinement - 991 is you A good friend just went from a 991 GTS PDK to a 2S 997 manual - feels he gets more out of driving when he does

Having been away from Porsche for 10 years, I didn't realise how little standard equipment is included on the 991. Seems like since the 996 all the new tech has been developed but the standard equipment level for 911 has not moved on! Even for the GTS, the "GTS interior" is an option, things like parking sensors and camera, cruise control which are pretty standard on competitors are options. If you compare to something like a C63 (I know it's not like for like as the C63 is a halo model) where they including virtually everything, it means searching for a used model is tricky

mikeh501 said: 997 of any flavour is closer to your Fezza's in terms of less daily usability. Yes you can, but you will miss all the trappings of a modern car for nipping down the shops and DD duties. Headlights, NVH, stereo, bluetooth, hvac etc etc. Eh? My 997 Turbo with mega front spoiler has been kept on the street for ten years. It could do with a new spoiler for cosmetics but it's hardly beaten up. Headlights are fine. NVH - just finished a 250 mile round trip today to Worcester and back, not even a back twinge to speak of. Bluetooth - fair enough but a £30 investment in a Bluetooth receiver fixes that. HVAC - I set a temp, it keeps a temp.

MC99 said: I have a manual 997 GTS. <<bias here>> but have driven a number of 991s. I almost switched to a 991T but it didn't do enough to be different. My only thinking is something very different like a 991 GTS Targa <<place dislike for targa comments here>> If you drive alot, and need to cruise, have more refinement - 991 is you A good friend just went from a 991 GTS PDK to a 2S 997 manual - feels he gets more out of driving when he does That's a good way of putting it, getting more out of driving when you do it. As cars develop they take more of the involvement, and also the strain, away. It's about where you can tolerate being on that spectrum. 992 C2S and Brabus C63S were too far along for me, but equally I'm not going to DD one of my manual Ferraris or the 205 GTI of my youth..so a manual 997.2 S sounds tempting right now, but finding a good one (a cabrio) is going to be challenging. One dealer has one up for 60k, has been for sale since September. 18k miles and probably 15k too expensive.

I’d be looking at the OPC 997.2 with 2yr warranty. Old school enough to be interesting and have the modern classic feel, but with enough creature comforts for a daily driver. Doubt you’ll lose that much money on it over time as well.

Had a similar dilemma last summer and in the end bought a 997 GTS 4. I live in London and all my previous cars have been classics. I wanted something more practical, ULEZ compliant and with minimal depreciation. The GTS feels a bit more "special" as rarer and with all those extras that I would have liked if I'd bought a C4S or similar. I'd have loved a manual, but with a £15k premium I couldn't afford it. The PDK isn't perfect but its not bad and far easier to have in London.

997 GTS or a really nice 997.2 S are in the lead right now. With Porsche warranty. Either way, has to be a cabrio and can't be white (wife). Manual preferred, PDK OK. Ideally 2 rather than 4 for my needs. The problem is finding a good one. I have noticed that 997.2 S cabrios have hung around (probably due to winter) although GTS cabrios seem to be moving. And then as wait goes on too long, the eye wanders. There are so many 997.2 Turbo S cabrios for sale, nice ones too. And lots of 991s. As well as all those other marques, there is no shortage of choice of modern 2+2s at the £45k-£65k mark, from DB9s and Californias to M8 Cabrios (very different to a 911 I know).

Collecting Cars has a nice 997.2 S PDK cab (low miles, FPSH) ending tomorrow. I could be persuaded to part with my lovely grey 997 GTS PDK with 29k miles, FPSH and 2 year Porsche warranty for £65k but it's not a cab.

Venosta said: 997 GTS or a really nice 997.2 S are in the lead right now. With Porsche warranty. Either way, has to be a cabrio and can't be white (wife). Manual preferred, PDK OK. Ideally 2 rather than 4 for my needs. The problem is finding a good one. I have noticed that 997.2 S cabrios have hung around (probably due to winter) although GTS cabrios seem to be moving. And then as wait goes on too long, the eye wanders. There are so many 997.2 Turbo S cabrios for sale, nice ones too. And lots of 991s. As well as all those other marques, there is no shortage of choice of modern 2+2s at the £45k-£65k mark, from DB9s and Californias to M8 Cabrios (very different to a 911 I know). 997.2 PDK Carrera S Cab coming soon on CC…quite like it in blue. https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2011-porsche-9...

KEVS500 said: Collecting Cars has a nice 997.2 S PDK cab (low miles, FPSH) ending tomorrow. I could be persuaded to part with my lovely grey 997 GTS PDK with 29k miles, FPSH and 2 year Porsche warranty for £65k but it's not a cab. Got excited there for a moment about your car - the CC one looks nice but quite high mileage. But it has to be a cab. Shame…

There was also (as a matter of record) a 997 GTS Cabrio on CC last week. A nice looking car with a slightly strange spec, bucket seats and plastic dash and PDK with no alcantara. It sold for around £50k including fees, a good buy for someone. But I wouldn’t want buckets for daily driving.

OP, you might want to take a look at Ashgoods in Slough. They have a couple of nice 997.2 cabs in stock at the moment, one of them a particularly smart GTS and the other what appears to be a good value S with a solid history. This dealer always prices their cars very competitively. No vested interest from me, I might add.

Venosta said: There was also (as a matter of record) a 997 GTS Cabrio on CC last week. A nice looking car with a slightly strange spec, bucket seats and plastic dash and PDK with no alcantara. It sold for around £50k including fees, a good buy for someone. But I wouldn’t want buckets for daily driving. I wouldn’t want buckets for driving either but those buckets are worth £££ I think you could easily make yourself £5k selling those and sourcing a set of OEM replacements.

Cheib said: I wouldn’t want buckets for driving either but those buckets are worth £££ I think you could easily make yourself £5k selling those and sourcing a set of OEM replacements. definitely agree, 4-5k if in good condition - would be gone soon enough

Thank you everyone - just back after a week away. The 997 RWD GTS cabrios around at the moment all just don't quite tick the box: there'a a nice one with full alcantara which I like but it's white, which my wife doesn't; and a black one with no alcantara which is just a bit of a shame. If anyone knows of a nice low-ish miles non-white 997 GTS cabrio with alcantara..these do pop up only very occasionally it seems. I'm fine with PDK or manual, understanding the manual premium. In the absence of suitable 997 GTSs the eye wanders, but this thread has put me off 997 Turbo Ss. Eye has wandered to DB9s though.

Update, if anyone’s still reading this. With no suitable 997 GTSs around and the need to purchase approaching - by next month at least - the eye has strayed. 991.2 S pre-PPF with sport exhaust and sport chrono, manual. Porsche warranty. Great colour. V tempting. But essentially the same engine and similar car to the 992 S PDK I got bored of… Or, my wife is pushing for a DB9, 2014 vintage for the same as the above or a 997 GTS. I like the idea of being James Bond (I know he had a DBS) but every day…and I also like the idea of a manual 991.2. I’ve driven a manual 992 GT3, I know, different car, and loved it. All subjective at this stage I guess.

Wise choice. I went from 991.1 C4 PDK to 991.2 GT3 Touring to 991.2 C2 Manual - and, for ‘real world’ use, the base car is by far the sweetest IMO. Mine might be for sale, as I do have a 992 Manual in build. It is a lovely example - pre-PF, PSE, FPSH, PTS, etc, and Warranty to end March ‘25 (just had its annual inspection and detail). Wouldn’t want to get into a discussion here, but by all means PM me if you want more info.

Geneve said: Wise choice. I went from 991.1 C4 PDK to 991.2 GT3 Touring to 991.2 C2 Manual - and, for ‘real world’ use, the base car is by far the sweetest IMO. Mine might be for sale, as I do have a 992 Manual in build. It is a lovely example - pre-PF, PSE, FPSH, PTS, etc, and Warranty to end March ‘25 (just had its annual inspection and detail). Wouldn’t want to get into a discussion here, but by all means PM me if you want more info. Base is sweet indeed, but probably the sweetest is a manual 991.2 T.. not many about but if in budget worth taking the time to investigate another option.. the Interior T Package is similar to the GTS Interior Pack as well, which I think you were leaning towards having earlier. https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/porsche-sales/vehicle/991... Edited by maura on Wednesday 27th March 23:25

Thank you, folks. I forgot to remention that any car I buy needs to be a cabrio, on my wife's orders. So unless someone has one of those for sale... Ir's so true about the T and if they'd made a cabrio of those that's what I would be eyeing. Anyway I am going to look at the 991.2 S manual cabrio on Saturday and if I love it I may just buy it and that will be the end of this thread. If not..the DB9 question will come back inevitably.

Updating this thread that I started. Still waiting to pull the trigger. Saw a couple of 997 GTSs but they were not as advertised. Sliiiiightly wary of 991.2 GTS because of the similarities with 992 S I bought new and sold because it was a bit too dull at normal speeds. Now planning to look at a vg spec 991.1 GTS which wasn’t on the original list. I have driven one but don’t know if it’s a case of the NA experience growing better over time while turbos start out entertaining but become less so. I’m not fanatically pro or anti turbos but all my favourite cars I own and have owned seem to be NA. I believe the chassis on the 1.2 GTS was a bit more fun too which is why I didn’t consider the 1.1 before. Maybe that’s wrong. Hmmm Edited by Venosta on Monday 20th May 23:38

Venosta said: Updating this thread that I started. Still waiting to pull the trigger. Saw a couple of 997 GTSs but they were not as advertised. Hmmm Edited by Venosta on Monday 20th May 23:38 You should consider this instead of being squarely focussed on a 911, when the cab part is so key to your criteria. https://www.ashgood.co.uk/vehicle-details/used-por... or the 981 Spyder https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202404238... - either way, surely your criteria is more that of a mid engine Boxster? The ' 2+2 for occasional back seat use' - forget that, they can take the bus or their own car Edited by KittyLitter on Tuesday 21st May 00:00

I was a bit surprised you discounted the 991.1GTS. I had both a 991.1 and a 991.2 GTS. I loved the 991.1 and would go as far as to say it was once of the best cars I have owned. I never quite got on with my 991.2, (it was a 2019 so had the PPF filters which made quite a big difference to the sound). I actually preferred my 992 C4S that followed it, which as you say was a very similar engine setup to the 991.2. Given your choices I’d go 991.1 GTS.

Thank you Re the Cayman/Boxster etc I am a big fan but I need back seats. 2+2 very useful for 3 people or 4 on short journeys roof down. I have Ferraris with 2 seats for other use. V interesting re 991.1 GTS. I guess a lot of this is personal taste, but if details check out it may be an excellent alternative.

Venosta said: Thank you Re the Cayman/Boxster etc I am a big fan but I need back seats. 2+2 very useful for 3 people or 4 on short journeys roof down. I have Ferraris with 2 seats for other use. V interesting re 991.1 GTS. I guess a lot of this is personal taste, but if details check out it may be an excellent alternative. Ok, therefore it has to be - and something you didn't list - but considering you want a cab, then... https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/16664669 explore the 991 Targa option, I sense you might have overlooked it as an option.

Nice that, however If it’s going to be used around town better to have something without SPASM, but PASM OK.

Venosta said: Thank you 2+2 very useful for 3 people or 4 on short journeys roof down. how do you get 4 people in a 911 cab? if they have legs

Targas look great but they don’t work as 2 + 1s or 2 + 2s for short distances roof open in the way Cabrios do, because of the fixed glass rear screen. Anyone adult sized is folded both horizontally and vertically. In the Cabrio, roof open, rear passengers have infinite headroom

Venosta said: Targas look great but they don’t work as 2 + 1s or 2 + 2s for short distances roof open in the way Cabrios do, because of the fixed glass rear screen. Anyone adult sized is folded both horizontally and vertically. In the Cabrio, roof open, rear passengers have infinite headroom Ok, here goes, 3rd time lucky.... A 944 Turbo Cab https://www.elferspot.com/en/car/porsche-944-turbo...

Fair enough I had a 997 turbo coupe and my teenage daughter couldn't get in behind me (i am 6 1), and rear space is worse in the cab Edited by Adam. on Thursday 23 May 00:20

Venosta said: Thank you Re the Cayman/Boxster etc I am a big fan but I need back seats. 2+2 very useful for 3 people or 4 on short journeys roof down. I have Ferraris with 2 seats for other use. V interesting re 991.1 GTS. I guess a lot of this is personal taste, but if details check out it may be an excellent alternative. It’s taken you 6 months of indecision and still can’t decide. It’s a 911, there are loads of them, loads of different iterations; soft top, coupe, targa, NA, turbo, turbo turbo - what do you want, lol. The 991 generation Targa’s look fantastic in the flesh. Buy one and enjoy - prices tend to go up round about now and as inflation starts to fall, interest rates will be on the slide just in time to fuel another price bubble. If you’re coming from a Brabus and looking for something similar, only the turbo turbo’s will compare. If you don’t intend tracking it, engine power, big brakes, fancy suspension and all that are moot - you can’t use the power nor will you be any faster in the real world than a 2.5 NA Boxster from 1999. Or if you don’t need 4 seats get yourself an AMG GT and be done with it. Good luck either way.

One of the things I am sure about is that I don’t want a targa, fixed rear screen being one reason. I know the origami requirements for rear passengers and for us, a Cabrio is the least bad, and rear isn’t a massive concern otherwise I would be looking at a different car category. I do like a 944 Turbo cab, I had one and also a 968 cab in the 1990s, nice cars. And yea, 997 or 991 Turbo was on the indecision list. The view here was rather against them I felt..I don’t need an AMG GT because I don’t love them and I have a few two seat Ferraris that fulfil that brief The 991.1 GTS is a nice looking one which I will try and view next week. If the last 997 GTS I viewed, great spec, had been as advertised (it’s still on sale) I would have bought that. Not that many great cars around when it comes to 10+ year old desirable models. There are a few nice looking 997 Turbos but I have been put off those.

Venosta said: Not that many great cars around when it comes to 10+ year old desirable models. There are a few nice looking 997 Turbos but I have been put off those. How interesting. What put you off?

With 997 Turbos the view here put me off a little. I haven’t driven them since they were current and back in the day remember preferring the GTS for involvement, but I didn’t own either. I also recall feeling the 997.1 Turbo was more involving than the 997.2 both S and non S but obviously I drove them at different times after launch and memories can deceive, and a 997.1 is too old now for me as a DD. So much of this is subjective of course and it’s totally illogical for me to even think of any of these as a DD based in central London, but logic would lead to no car and taking Ubers, far easier and cheaper.

Venosta said: With 997 Turbos the view here put me off a little. I haven’t driven them since they were current and back in the day remember preferring the GTS for involvement, but I didn’t own either. I also recall feeling the 997.1 Turbo was more involving than the 997.2 both S and non S but obviously I drove them at different times after launch and memories can deceive, and a 997.1 is too old now for me as a DD. So much of this is subjective of course and it’s totally illogical for me to even think of any of these as a DD based in central London, but logic would lead to no car and taking Ubers, far easier and cheaper. Sounds like you've got excellent experience. All I can share is my 997 Gen 1.5 Turbo has been my daily driver since 2014 and is parked on the street. Like any older car, some components need refreshing from time to time. But to counter that is the depreciation on anything newer and needing less upkeep.

Left field choice... Maserati GranCabrio The first one I found in the classifieds....

Whoozit said: Sounds like you've got excellent experience. All I can share is my 997 Gen 1.5 Turbo has been my daily driver since 2014 and is parked on the street. Like any older car, some components need refreshing from time to time. But to counter that is the depreciation on anything newer and needing less upkeep. A Gen 1.5 997 Turbo cab is tempting for sure. As we need a two pedal car, though, it would be a tiptrohic rather than PDK. It's a good point about depreciation, though with any older car there is just more risk of time off the road, I guess, which is not ideal for a daily driver.

minimalist said: Left field choice... Maserati GranCabrio The first one I found in the classifieds.... I had a GC MC for a few months in 2017. Somehow this car is less than the sum of its parts, for me, anyway. I drove it to the Alps that summer.. Engine sound is fantastic, looks great, but the driving position was never comfortable with a narrow footwell, and handling rather wooden with jerky steering and little feedback. I also don't hear great things about their reliability. But it has good space in the back and if it went as well as it looked and sounded..it would be quite something.

I am back in the country next week after a couple of weeks travelling for businesses and the update on this is as follows: Cars previously seen with a view to buy: Two 997 GTS cabrios, one not as advertised at all (water ingress, AC not working), one just not tempting with slightly tired and non alcantara interior. One 991.2 S, not on the list but great spec and colour, lovely car but just not engaging enough. Cars in the classifieds I plan to see if they check out and are still available: A 991.1 GTS A 997 Turbo S Possibly a 997 Turbo tiptrohic

minimalist said: Left field choice... Maserati GranCabrio The first one I found in the classifieds.... not enough buttons

Venosta said: I am back in the country next week after a couple of weeks travelling for businesses and the update on this is as follows: Cars previously seen with a view to buy: Two 997 GTS cabrios, one not as advertised at all (water ingress, AC not working), one just not tempting with slightly tired and non alcantara interior. One 991.2 S, not on the list but great spec and colour, lovely car but just not engaging enough. Cars in the classifieds I plan to see if they check out and are still available: A 991.1 GTS A 997 Turbo S Possibly a 997 Turbo tiptrohic At this rate summer will be over Why not try ... https://www.hexagonclassics.com/porsche ...who have x3 997.2 GTS Cabs, x2 997.2 S cabs, a 991.1 GTS cab, and few 997 Turbo S's plenty of choice all at one place. No affiliation but seems like the place to visit for your brief.

Yes, Hexagon are good, thank you for the link, although often overpriced..A couple of those cars have been on sale since last summer. I am not buying a car for summer so timing doesn’t bother me in that sense. The GTS Cabrios are not the right spec for me, though. there is no 991.1 GTS (only a S - maybe it sold?) and I wouldn’t take a 997.2 S. the others are coupes. I would welcome any thoughts from anyone who has owned a 991.1 GTS and a 997 Turbo S..

KittyLitter said: minimalist said: Left field choice... Maserati GranCabrio The first one I found in the classifieds.... not enough buttons But it is 10 times more of an event than anything else listed here

I’d say that Maserati has a very different appeal. Not for me but I am sure some people love them.

PinkHouse said: But it is 10 times more of an event than anything else listed here An instant migraine event.

Venosta said: I am back in the country next week after a couple of weeks travelling for businesses and the update on this is as follows: Cars previously seen with a view to buy: Two 997 GTS cabrios, one not as advertised at all (water ingress, AC not working), one just not tempting with slightly tired and non alcantara interior. One 991.2 S, not on the list but great spec and colour, lovely car but just not engaging enough. Cars in the classifieds I plan to see if they check out and are still available: A 991.1 GTS A 997 Turbo S Possibly a 997 Turbo tiptrohic i read all the posts ... and what did finally happened??? was car bought at the end?