Good afternoon all,
I am concerned about an engine-related rattle, and would like to resolve the matter, but truthfully, it's past my ability to accurately diagnose. Can you please provide a comment/input on the below, or if you have found another thread that can help, I'd be grateful for a link to read through it.
Model:
2006 987.1 Cayman 3.4S
Routine service every 12 months.
52,897 Miles.
History of Events:
October 2025 - Diagnosed a failing bearing within the AC pulley system, with consistent louder, deeper groaning as the RPM's increased.
November 2025 - Parts ordered. On the lead up to the replacement, a louder, metallic rattle was noted at 4800-5000 RPM. At the time, I assumed this to be associated with the failing bearing.
December 2025 - Bearing replaced, groaning noises no longer present, the louder 4800-5000 rpm rattle still audible.
Present - The 4800-5000rpm is still very audible, and more pronounced now than it was in November 25.
Video:
Please see the attached
video
. Two accelerations to reproduce the 'rattle'. I am in second gear, accelerating at full throttle from 2,000 (ish) RPM all the way up to 5,200 RPM.
PoCOM:
I have used this software to read the Camshaft Actual & Deviation values, but I do not know how to convert this 'CRK' value into a meaningful 'Degrees' reading that I see from other software like PIWIS or Durametric. See attached readings. I have also logged these over 10-15 seconds, and they can be shared.
The readings were taken at idle from a cold start, I see mixed things about whether I should take values at cold or hot idle. Please advise?
More waffle and information from Me:
This rattle happens consistently at this range in the RPM, no sooner, no later, at full throttle in any gear.
I am confident it is not a heat shield rattle.
I believe it is related to some part of the engine's timing chain, Variocam+ , pads, guides etc...
More than happy to provide any other car data, or information that I've missed from the above.
Hard to tell by the video, but I had a similar background noise which was eluding my diagnosis for awhile. In my specific case it turned out to be the water pump. It wasn’t loud or easy to determine, but upon removing the interior engine cover and grasping the pulley on the water pump, there was a slight bit of play when moving it in different planes. For an even more confident diagnosis if needed, remove or slacken the serpentine belt to give it more freedom to move. Once mine was replaced, the lack of sound emanating was obvious to the ear.
Chuck is wright, you should remove the rear access panel (behind the seats), remove the serpentine belt and run the engine briefly to see if the noises are gone, if so, you can turn by hand the other accesories as besides the AC bearing, you have bearings on the alternator, the belt tensioners and also the water pump, which you should consider replacing it (along with the thermostat) as they are already 20 years old.
Thanks to you both Chuck & Giles, come
next
weekend I'll get the belt off and inspect the other pullies for play and noise. Is it good practice to replace the pump & thermostat? I'll be doing the work to replace the leaking cross-over pipes so I'm glad you mentioned that prior to me carrying out the work!
Not just the bearings, but the pulleys themselves wear out and make rumble/rattle noise. I just went through this with my home's air handler.
Normally there would be a leak associated with a water pump failure. In any case, water pump and thermostat are service items, not very expensive and pretty simple to change.
In my case, my water pump was not leaking but on the way to failure. Would have only been a matter of time had I not replaced it. The bearing supporting the pulley/impeller was the source of my engine noise. I confirmed it by pulling the serpentine belt and grasping the pulley and feeling for play, which proved to be present. And by spinning the free pulley I could feel the resistance, instead of it turning easily.
My short answer is this could be detonation, and the knock sensors are correcting it as it goes away quickly.
Ensure you are using a quality 93 octane or better fuel and checking for codes / misfires.
I think the most common failure mode we've seen so far for 718 water pumps does not result in an external leak. Rather, its shroud diaphragm fails and coolant leaks into the vacuum system for the changeover valves.
I guess I have nothing constructive to add, but my car has a very-very similar rattle at high RPM that I have been assuming was a resonance-induced heat shield rattle. Please post when you figure it out.
Water pump gives out at 50k. Best regard that as a service item. It will need replacing soon anyway (if it hasn’t been replaced already), even if that isn’t the current issue. Get a
Porsche
one or at least one with a plastic impeller. That’s where I’d start. Mine went at 50,200 miles.
Can attest to that, replaced mine at slightly over 50k miles. No leaks at the time, just an annoying noise coming from the engine compartment. And the plastic impeller you suggest is recommended by most mechanics.
At about 48K miles I detected long warm-up times and a changeover valve DTC in my CTM6, leading to pump replacement under CPO warranty.
The water pump on my
987.1
expired at about 68k. First indication was loss of power steering. The pump shaft had actually sheared...shop said they had never seen this before... showed me a pic.