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Install trim

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This reflected the rated power of the engine in as-installed trim, with all accessories and standard intake and exhaust systems.

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Leading evidence: 'Install trim' (no explicit attributable resolution; this is a reported action or suggestion). Across 1 matching discussions, the most frequently mentioned possible cause is 'same as well' (1 discussions; 0 report identifying it and 1 suggest it). The most frequently discussed action is 'Install trim' (1 discussions). For that action, 0 discussions report a resolution and 0 report an unsuccessful attempt. No action has an explicit, attributable resolution report under the current rules. These are forum reports and suggestions, not a confirmed diagnosis.

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same as well

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Yeah, I suspect the same as well.

what makes engine difference? US Vs ROW

Recommend manufacturers

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In the United States the term "bhp" fell into disuse after the American Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) recommended manufacturers use hp (SAE) to indicate the net power of the engine, given that particular car's complete engine installation.

what makes engine difference? US Vs ROW

Replace output number

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I wonder if most European manufacturers just translate the bhp to hp without changing the output number.

what makes engine difference? US Vs ROW

Use hp (sae)

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In the United States the term "bhp" fell into disuse after the American Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) recommended manufacturers use hp (SAE) to indicate the net power of the engine, given that particular car's complete engine installation.

what makes engine difference? US Vs ROW
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Install trim

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This reflected the rated power of the engine in as-installed trim, with all accessories and standard intake and exhaust systems.

what makes engine difference? US Vs ROW

Recommend manufacturers

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In the United States the term "bhp" fell into disuse after the American Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) recommended manufacturers use hp (SAE) to indicate the net power of the engine, given that particular car's complete engine installation.

what makes engine difference? US Vs ROW

Replace output number

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I wonder if most European manufacturers just translate the bhp to hp without changing the output number.

what makes engine difference? US Vs ROW

Use hp (sae)

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In the United States the term "bhp" fell into disuse after the American Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) recommended manufacturers use hp (SAE) to indicate the net power of the engine, given that particular car's complete engine installation.

what makes engine difference? US Vs ROW

Use normal break in

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So I heard US version use normal break in,

what makes engine difference? US Vs ROW

Use of a band brake

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The term "brake" refers to the original use of a band brake to measure torque during the test (which is multiplied by the engine RPM and a scaling constant to give horsepower).

what makes engine difference? US Vs ROW
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same as well

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Yeah, I suspect the same as well.

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to the best of my knowledge , there is no difference between US and ROW engines .

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POST 1Original post

Cayman : ROW, 2954 lbs, 3.4L 295 bhp, 251 lb-ft US, 2954 lbs, 3.4L 295 bhp, 251 lb-ft US, 2986 lbs, 2.7L 245 bhp, 210 lb-ft ROW, 2870 lbs, 2.7L 245 bhp, 201 lb-ft So I heard US version use normal break in, ROW version need Hard break in?? What are those differences from engines??? I ordered Cayman end of March, will get it in Aug. So, eager to know Break in Differences.....

POST 2Original post

to the best of my knowledge , there is no difference between US and ROW engines .

POST 3Original post

But there are different measurment standards (SAE, DIN (metric) to understand. Take a look at Wikipedia for a start.

POST 4Original post

Is the Cayman 295bhp? I always thought that brake horsepower (bhp) was slightly higher than U.S. horsepower.

POST 5Original post

Flyer if you have not checked out the FAQ section you may be surprised at all the information there. For instance: http://www.planet-9.com/faq.php?faq=techdata#faq_gentech And then come back and thank all of your fellow club members who wrote the FAQs.

POST 6Original post

The 210 ft.lbs. for the US 2.7 looks like a typo to me. I've never seen that published anywhere. The Porsche site says 201 ft/lbs. The Cayman Club FAQ says 210 ft/lbs. but the reference it cites says 201.

POST 7Original post

Flyer I guess I'm being dense. The advertised bhp on the Cayman is 295 as the FAQ's say. Was that your question?

POST 8Original post

US Caymans have an additional 116 pounds of gravitas which accounts for the increase in torque. Either that, or it is a typo.

POST 10Original post

My question is that advertised horsepower (hp) and Brake Horespower (bhp) are 295. From my understanding they are calculated differently and bhp tends to be a higher number than horsepower output number we are used to seeing in the US. For instance, the M3 stated horespower is 333hp, BUT in Europe it is stated as 343bhp. My question is there are differnce or is it somewhere around the 295 since Porsche engines tend to vary in output? Not a big deal, I was just curious if there is a difference for the Cayman .

POST 11Original post

From Wikipedia Brake horsepower (bhp) Brake horsepower (bhp) is the measure of an engine's horsepower without the loss in power caused by the gearbox, generator, differential, water pump, and other auxiliary components. Thus the prefix "brake" refers to where the power is measured: at the engine's output shaft, as on an engine dynamometer. The actual horsepower delivered to the driving wheels is less. An engine would have to be retested to obtain a rating in another system. The term "brake" refers to the original use of a band brake to measure torque during the test (which is multiplied by the engine RPM and a scaling constant to give horsepower). [edit] hp (SAE) In the United States the term "bhp" fell into disuse after the American Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) recommended manufacturers use hp (SAE) to indicate the net power of the engine, given that particular car's complete engine installation. It measures engine power at the flywheel, not counting drivetrain losses. Starting in 1971 automakers began to quote power in terms of SAE net horsepower (as defined by standard J1349). This reflected the rated power of the engine in as-installed trim, with all accessories and standard intake and exhaust systems. By 1972, US carmakers quoted power exclusively in SAE net hp. The change was meant to 'deflate' power ratings to assuage the auto insurance industry and environmental and safety lobbies, as well as to obfuscate the power losses caused by emissions-control equipment. SAE net ratings, while more accurate than gross ratings, still represent the engine's power at the flywheel. Contrary to some reports, it does not measure power at the drive wheels I wonder if most European manufacturers just translate the bhp to hp without changing the output number. Anyone?

POST 12Original post

There are different measurements for hp in Europe and the States. PA (European measurement) is reduced by .9863 to arrive at the SAE (US) equivalent. Porsche reports equal hp numbers under both measurements. I suspect that Porsche figures that the 1% difference is well within the rounding acceptable for official use and the variation of individual engines. Nothing to do with emissions, noise or anything else (like break in) it appears.

POST 14Original post

Also, if you dig down and read the fine print in the Porsche tech spec sheets, they say their motors deliver "a minimum" of x-amount of horsepower. They have always done it this way. I've heard from a reliable source that the 3.4L CS motors, when removed and put on a dyno, turn between 295-305 HP at the flywheel. brad

POST 15Original post

My real question is , Why they need different break in US Vs ROW( mentioned in this forum for break in)??

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