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I used some uk rhd interior pieces when deleting hood releases and electric mirrors.
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R cars had different subframes to adjust pickup points for the aggressive geometry and height.
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If you end up needing something made for a vinyl guy to cut that is probably the only way I'd be able to help further!
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They quoted me around 3200 for a front kit and the compressor replaces the OEM tire compressor in the frunk.
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I�m running an electric oem ps setup and going to be running an electric ac setup at some point.
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Hey Guys, just wondered if I could get some help (by the way I know I'm crazy).
I've bought a 3.6L 2004 996 C2 coupe (320 bhp) with a plan on turning it into a 996 RSR Flying Lizard. Aesthetically it will look exactly like this externally (
https://www.janluehn.com/cars/2004-porsche-996-gt3-rsr
) or see attached image.
I've always wanted a road legal cup car but they are difficult on the road for obvious reasons so I thought better to go road car to race car than the other way round.
I couldn't afford a GT3 and wouldn't want to do this to it but a C2 I thought would be good fun. The GT3 whilst it is a 3.6L, is a different engine which I know, however, I wondered how they were getting so much power with this engine which is still a 3.6L with the 996 cup/RS/RSR?
I wondered if there is anything that can be done to mine to get it up to similar levels. My concern is that I am effectively building a track car which once all done will look very cool, but are people going to be seriously bothered about the fact I might only be able to get it up to 350 bhp? Or will it still be awesome? Many people have terribly modified Porsche and I want to try and get it right as much as I can.
For those that want to read on my overall plan apart from the body kit is e88/custom wheels so lightweight, CAE shifter, interior strip out, roll cage (half/full depending on if I change the doors), cup mirrors, new headlights+film, cup steering wheel, bucket seats, harnesses, lightweight dash, new pedals, front lifting system, suspension (TBC), brakes (TBC), custom exhaust and whatever is recommended as per the above.
Cheers!
What do you want to do with it when it’s done ?
Do you want it to function like a race car or look like a race car ?
An RSR clone needs to be done so wish you all the best.
a) that's dope
b) if you total the expenses, almost any way you slice it you're going to be better off financially getting a GT3 I think unless you're fine leaving the engine in stock form. Seriously, create a spreadsheet and add up everything before you end up where I did with my build. Money poured into a 996 C2 is money gone, and while money poured into a GT3 is probably money gone as well, it'll at least stand a better chance of being recouped.
I don't think people will be bothered that you have stock C2 power and the car looks like that. These cars are quite capable as is and while extra power at times would be nice, it doesn't stop these from keeping up with more powerful cars on the track. With all that being said, if you do intend on seriously tracking it, I think you should consider a different engine, just my 2c but from what I've seen here, this isn't the best engine for dedicated serious track work.
Always loved that car. Good luck with the build. Seth Nieman, the owner of the team was very approachable at the race track and a good guy. Started in PCA DE then continued down the path to ultimately founding the team. Bet if you called him you may get a response.
My only comment is you shouldn�t worry if other people will have a problem with your car. Make no mistake, we will tell you if we like it or hate it, but ultimately it�s your car and your money.
I'm also curious if you have priced out the build you've listed above. When you say "what else can be done?" I suppose I'd need to know how much do you have left to spend? Looking at the photos you posted it appears the sky is the limit for your goal. Presuming the plan is to do it yourself otherwise best of luck spending less than a GT3.
Track days and road trips tough combo - if you do the below, it will be miserable to drive on the street - I'd do it anyway.
Here's what I would do without budget constraints:
1. Gut C2 - interior to bare shell and send off to get caged EST $8K
2. Body work - RSR kit, carbon doors, roof, hood, deckled, Cup Wing - EST $15-20K
3. Buy Cup Car, preferable one with minimal damage and transplant entire suspension, drivetrain, brakes, electronics into C2 Chassis - $35-60K
4. Rebuild Cup E88's for RSR wide body EST $1600
5. Going to be lots of custom bits and pieces $10K
My guess (with my very limited knowledge) would be to do the aesthetics and call it. There doesn�t seem to be much power (if any) that is squeezable out of the stock 3.6, no no, Porsche seems to have sqouze all that was squeezable at the factory.
Thanks Dr Stangelove.
The sky isn't necessarily the limit as I don't want to completely burn money. Call me crazy/wrong but I would like to think someone would take this off my hands one day for what I'm in for or as I think this will be well considered and very cool project. I am also currently doing an 82 SC backdate (73 RS) which whilst is a completely different car and popular, is a similar concept/idea (cheap base car, build over time properly, put a lot of thought in, get the right people to do it) etc etc. My backdate looks like a �100k ($140k USD) car and sounds amazing, when in fact its worth half of that.
The kit, fabrication and wheels are agreed at around �25k ($35k) which I plan on doing first plus suspension will need to be done (as I can't drive the thing without the front lift kit, can't fit the front lift without knowing/buying the suspension of choice. Perhaps exhaust, seats and half cage. Then do brakes and engine at a later stage.
Probably aim to spend another �25k ($35k USD) over time so �50k ($70k USD) all in.
When I say I can't afford a GT3 I mean I can't afford the GT3 as a base car as you are looking at �80k ($110k USD) just for the base car plus the RSR works of �30k-50k ($40k-70k USD). Whereas my C2 was �17k ($23k USD).
This is a bad *** idea and I fully support it and hope you'll drive it more than once a month! Speaking of power, we've just seen a fellow member swap in the Metzger from a 996 GT3 so it looks like an option that should not be discounted. Some fab work is needed and having a spare car to pull any parts from would help but I'm sure you knew that. This move would provide a reliable powerplant for track work and get you some more power than the stock M96. Best of luck and hope you document this because I'd love to follow along!
A good friend of mine has a wrapping shop where they do custom work and graphic design etc. but I suspect I will need to speak to FLM first. or could involve a livery designer.
This clarifies SO MUCH for me, thank you. Yes I obviously interpreted your original comment to mean you want to do this as a substitute to a GT3. Well you're in better hands with the racing stuff with other members here. If you end up hitting road blocks with the graphics for the car send me a PM to see if I can help. I am an AD now but I cut my teeth in design. If you end up needing something made for a vinyl guy to cut that is probably the only way I'd be able to help further!
Wishing you best of luck with the build.
Finishing my Gt3R build up. It was a lot more than what is being speculated. Took 5 years to collect the parts and over 2 years to build it to this point.
Thanks. I would love to know more about your build. When you say more than what is being speculated, do you mean what I am speculating? or more than what you speculated? What parts took 2 years etc? Enlighten us! #intrigued
I wish I had enough down time to make it�s own thread. Between building this, raising our first born, and work there isn�t much tile left in the day :/
it�s take 5 years to source parts Bc they�re all oem. It took over two years to build. There�s times where I decide to go deeper down the rabbit whole and fitting the parts. Learning what Porsche did through its motorsports endeavors is a whole other area of time. Just the underbody carbon cost 10k and good luck sourcing a set. All the body parts are oem carbon, even the hood. The suspension is all gt3 rsr, including the brakes. Those brakes used and new was around 10k. All the ducting for brakes and cooling. I built the headlights to work for the street with oem mounting brackets. Oem Clubsport cage. I went with csf radiators which made fitting the bumper a nightmare Bc they�re thicker than what the R cars ran. I�m running an electric oem ps setup and going to be running an electric ac setup at some point. No ebrake due to grandam brakes. I used some uk rhd interior pieces when deleting hood releases and electric mirrors. I also plan to do a 997 3.8 motor swap for 400 hp, that�s the motor you see in the background. My weight goal is 2700lbs. I�m also waiting to get enough extra cash to get a set of carbon street doors. Any one want to sponsor that
lol
I can just go on and on on what has been done. I know there�s at least 100k invested in to this build.
FWIW, you guys have probably been all over gt-racing.com website, but you can find many racing body parts.
Just wondering how you get in and out of the driveway...
I don't think anyone in their right mind would expect to. You'll never get your money back on the FSI engine but then I don't think you plan to ever sell it
Sure! Let's say you purchased an FSI engine (this applies to just about anything aftermarket, like coilovers, wheels etc) for an X amount of money and decide to sell the car, the chances are slim to none that you will recoup the entire investment you made into the new engine or other aftermarket parts. We've just seen this represented in a recent auction of an awesome car with an awesome engine, however, the market didn't want to pay the amount the owner was hoping for and ended up keeping the car. The return tends to be 30% to 50%, depending on the part in question.
Also, excuse my ignorance in case you're not familiar with FSI (Flat Six Innovation) as I see you're from the other side of the pond
They're a popular option for engine rebuilds.
You'd be surprised, Cargraphic makes a cup kit that adds a small air bag on top of the shock assembly that'll lift the car a couple inches to clear obstacles. They quoted me around 3200 for a front kit and the compressor replaces the OEM tire compressor in the frunk. I believe it's only for GT3 spec'd suspension but when I had my Z, I had a Roboruta kit assembled that I never installed. Cargraphic also sells a front and rear kit as well, just something to keep in mind if you're in market for one. My driveway isn't too steep but the garage door rests in front of a large step going into the garage that is designed to keep the garage door in place if hurricane force winds are pushing on it... I scrape my GT3 lips every time I leave the garage.
People have had mixed results with GT Racing and their pricing is a little strange, some stuff seems a little on the low side and other stuff wickedly expensive.
That all said, if I don’t end up putting used stuff on my car - I’ll likely be going with them for some parts in the future.
Maybe maybe not...there is big demand for road legal cup cars in the UK at the moment. I know lots of people doing similar builds and making �10k-25k a pop.
Also remember...�1 = $1 for some reason with cars in the US so really I would assume I am spending $50k not $75k so isn't so bad. But yes..its a risk :-)
Would love to see you do the project because it's your dream car. But maybe I am missing something...
Exactly how are you going to make a profit of 10-25k converting a street legal 996 NB into the Flying Lizard 996 WB?
I'm not saying I am going to make a profit of 10-25k..I said some people are making that sort of money by building road legal cup cars in the UK. As I said above I would like to think someone would take it off my hands for what I'm in for at some point...The final product will be a stripped out 996 which will look exactly like an RSR which will be 30-40k cheaper than a GT3...i'd buy it...that being said...no one has done it before...
Put a Hartech 3.9 in that bad boy and you�re putting out near 996.2 GT3 power and torque. It would be very trick to build and have a classic Porsche race car that doesn�t require a racing engine and trans rework every �x� hours! US 996 and 997 Cup cars are $60,000-$90,000 for older cars getting long in the tooth, but in decent fettle.
Zimspeed in Germany has all the correct body parts for conversion. In carbon/kevlar. I have their rear bumper and fender extensions. Otherwise I did my build in "budget", bodywise.
I think it may end up going to Germany where the bodyparts will come from Zimspeed. Not sure yet. Germany is cheaper which is good and will be a fun trip!
Holy ****...great find! I've been trying to find photos of this car! Thank you. I am going to go for either black or white, different rear bumper and spoiler but apart from that!
