Cayman engine is a s*it box?

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Rocket, Is this where your love for the split crankcase comes from? I've seen you advocate for it so many times. I'm glad to know that replacement Cayman engines are so cheap. When I was looking into 993s, my shop told me that a rebuild (which they need from time to time) would cost $8,000 - $10,000. That was a split case set up. I'm sure glad I didn't buy one of those. The Cayman engine is likely to go twice the mileage before it's done, and then I can get a brand new engine and with an A/C compressor for the price of a split case rebuild. :banana:

re: Cayman engine is a s*it box? seems to me more like 'username schmidt' is a bit of a snob - and a s*ithead. of course it might be nice if we all had several hundreds of thousands of dollars that we could spend on the fantasy cars of our choice, but in the real world, most people don't. and many that do still intentionally choose to spend far less, for a variety of legitimate reasons. [for what its worth: i am also a fan of early 911s, having owned a 2.2 liter coupe for eleven years; and i could afford to have gotten a new turbo instead of the basic cayman i purchased back in may. but the cayman certainly satisfies all of my particular needs for a street car and i don't do racing. i also have other, more-meaningful priorities for the remainder of my resources.]

schmidt post #29 People THIS is the reason Porsche build two types of cars, one for the masses who drive with low air pressure, dont know how to change a flat, check oil, change oil, even find the engine in the car. Talk about a snob...

blah blah blah 911..blah blah blah..GT3... Subaru motor blah blah. Ha! The cayman S does as good or better in reviews, and Ill take the reliability of Japanese products any day (especially in a Cayman where they have the spirit of a German product)

There are collectors and there are drivers. I think most Cayman buyers are drivers. His points are valid, though somewhat snobby, but irrelevant to me since I'm not a collector.

I thought schmidt is quite an OK car guy, just opinionated, Eurocentric ... and a little drunk with money. Any guy take the time to talk some sense to him he would be quite receptive. Not truly a snob. Snobs ... takes time and strategy to talk sense into them if at all possible.

Well maybe schmidt has a point. I don't know or do I care to listen to statements made by people who make such negative accusations about others or others interests. It really seems by how he writes the individual has to have this type of car to make him feel complete as a person. That is sad. I have a car I love and enjoy while I continue to make my friends with Toyotas, Fords, Chevys still enjoy my company.

LOL N1 K-Man S....saw your post on 997 GT3 vs early 911 hot rod? - Page 4 - Early 911S Registry Bulletin Board :cheers:

Hey well didn't want to get into the argument, but he has some inaccuracies that needed to get cleared up, such as which tranny is in our cars, etc.

The engine is far superior in the Turbo that can't be denied. Doesn't mean that the Cayman or CS engines are ****. IMO Porsche does not have the finest production engines anyway, if that is what you care about you are buying the wrong car.

Please don't lure that butthead over to this forum. Let him stay there and terrorize that crowd. The last thing we need is an egomaniac like him slamming his fists against his keyboard over here. Thanks, All the Moderators......

Oh come on TX-Kman S can handle him

Hey, I though Briggs & Stratton made our engines not Suburu? He needs to be spanked.

Yeah, he is. But you can tell by the way he responded to Ken that he's a forum bully. Probably not a bad guys, and even amusing, to throw a beer back with. But when he gets behind the keyboard he gets internet mussels.

For what it's worth... I wouldn't trade my "garbage car." I'm going to remember that moniker for a long time. This is like listening to a guy brag about his hot wife and how great she is when you're already happier than a pig in slop with your wife (or as Vic Elford would say...your young mistress... ) The whole thing is kind of amusing, though.

Didn't they call the enterprise a "garbage skow" in one episoide? Comments like that make me laugh. I'm a lifer with my CS (I.e. I never plan to sell)

Money does not buy you happiness and neither will a GT3.....albeit it a happy day if I owned one but that, like everything else, wears off over time and all you are left with is true happiness (or lack of). The whole thing is sad.

Can't wait to see the day when a stock Cayman can easily beat a stock 911...

Imagine if porsche admitted to itself mid-engine made more sense and put the level of development into the 987 platform they do the 997 platform (turbo, GT3)

Good job, K-ManS. For a guy who knows it all, schmidt sure doesn't.

Is the Cayman Getrag 6spd a Japanese made unit? I am considering building a Ford GT40 replica, and this is one of the transmissions you can use in lieu of a ZF to save a few $s. I like the way the one in my Cayman works....most of the good steel comes out of asia anymore anyway and the unit is engineered in Germany. I have clients that source high end alloys from Korea, can't be too bad -- cheaper and better than US or European product (Military spec excluded).

Schmidt is actually funny. He's either the worlds' greatest troller or inflated head! And his last name is Smith and he uses the German version of it as his net name! btw - when I became a member this reminds me of the guy who just left this forum and bought an American Roadster or such (Bull?) Hate to tell him that Getrag's are in Cavaliers too, but, of course, those aren't G96's either, or whatever. And then the thread get's into one guy saying that GT3 are for commoners, etc. That was amusing! Just goes to show you what some of the extreme fringes of any group get up to! And being the internet, maybe none of the posters even own a GT3 - who knows! Me, I'm getting out my imaginary RS Spyder and thrashing anyone with a spare 917 (don't care what version, just let me have at 'em!) They say that reality is funnier than fiction - that thread supports that... K-Man - don't go into a bear pit armed with logic - the bear doesn't know that's a weapon (psst - wanna date Ken! )

Interesting to compare both threads.....looks like I'm the first (and perhaps only) Early S Member to post over here.... I guess I would also defend my car if someone had blasted it, but it really wasn't a Cayman discussion..... just a line or two about the build. But then he really is entitled to his opinion isn't he? :argue: Just as you are..... Take a look at Feb 07 Excellence (maybe March?), it has an article on Jeff's hotrod 73 with a 3.6. Took him 6 years to build it. Did all the work except the long block and the gearbox.... he did the bodywork, paint, all fabrication, interior, and all finish work. It wasn't a "checkbook" restoration....How many of you guys have ground up restored your own car?? Caymans are pretty good looking, handle great, and I was thinking of one myself, but Jeff talked me out of it, and so I'm thinking of a GT3, but who knows... Nice website,.... wasn't aware of it. Enjoy your cars!

I think there is a bit of Porsche magic in all the cars they make. Maybe Porsche will lose touch with what makes them Porsche as they get greater say in Audi/WV, who knows. Certainly there is a difference in the true track derived cars like the GT3 that get t heRenn Sport designation and the other Porsches, but even the non motorsport derived cars work well for track work "out of the box" better than other marques. I have always respected the owners who run the older air-cooled cars on track. Some of them have very fast cars and are driven well. They sound like no other and strike me as true enthusiasts. In my world, when I had a BMW M3 (actually 2 M3s at the same time) I never looked down on owners of Subarus, corvettess etc especially when those cars were tracked. To me they are all enthusiasts, and the diversity makes it interesting. Cheers.

Who is "Jeff"? and why is he talking people out of buying Caymans?

I know lots of people who are very technically competent in craftsmanship, such as it looks like Jeff is, but it doesn't excuse attitude such as his or the name calling that he uses as an offence. Looks like he relates to machinery more than people. Oh well, the world needs all different types. I appreciate the civil posting from a 911 owner though - they are all icon's as far as I'm concerned with GT3 variants being an interesting version of the family. Whatever someone has and appreciates is what matters. btw - can anyone explain to me why 'newbies' are any different than other members? Seems to me that they may be lacking in the cultural nuances of a particular forum but I don't think you're any different a person when you send the first post to a forum....:cheers:

I know lots of people who do their own work restoring cars. That does not give them license to be condescending know-it-all jerks, which Jeff is. Oops, did I name-call? It was really more of an analysis than a name-call...

Porsche should not resort to "smoke and mirrors" when describing the wet sump M96/M97 engine oiling system by calling it an "integrated dry sump". The engines in the 986/996/987/997 were primarily designed for manufacturing ease and cost rather than technical and design sophistication. That's a fact and you can't hold that against "Schmitt" or anyone else for that. Having said that, it does not relegate the engine to status of POS. Porsche engines have all had their quirks, foibles, design faults, and reliability issues. The Furhmann 4 cam Carrera 4 banger of the 50's. As the aircooled 2.0 liter flat six evolved into the final 3.6 there were airbox blow outs, chain tensioners failures, case studs leaks, valve guide wear, etc, etc, etc. There was much less warranty available as well. Porsche went to a 4 year 50K warranty in 1999. It was 2 year 24K prior. A little perspective goes a long way.

I agree. And I must say that a dry sump doesn't make an engine high performance. My Harley has a real dry sump engine and I wouldn't ever call it high performance. It also happens to be air cooled. These things alone don't make an engine performance oriented. By the way, my Cayman has a 'Remote Convection Air Cooled Engine'.

He's the poster on the "other" forum - schmidt! As to the why? does it really matter? I see no value or reason in having to defend/convince anyone of why I purchased my Cayman, although I'm happy to debate; but to escallate this to a level that raises the heckles? what an earth for, their rants will change nothing.

I hope Mr. Smith isn't really that jaded. However, I've read his post about 10 times now and it seems more humorous than anything else. Given the topic & context of the thread it doesn't seem like a rant against the 987 cars as much as a cheer for the lengths Porsche goes to in building the GT3's. And as we all know and have said that's at 2X the price of a CS. So, you should get something for your money. But, where has he been the past 40 years that Japanese content would somehow be a bad thing? Or to take the low road in his response to Ken's fact checking? Soterik: Welcome to the site. I sure wouldn't stop you from buying a GT3. But, if there is anything that I can share with you about the Cayman experience let me know.

"I think the 914 was cool when it came out. Then they were found on blocks in front yards, then back yards, then junk yards, then grave yards. Similar to the 924-944-928. It happens to all of the high production cars. I have been seeing abandoned boxsters for about 4 to 5 years now, the Cayman will follow." You have to admit that this is pretty funny. I just about fell out of my chair when K-Man's credibility was challenged based upon his number of posts on the 911 forum. THAT is FUNNY.

nicely done K-Man S... yet i agree - leave the bully over there... glad i didnt catch the name of that forum... i definately dont want to play there.... i hate bully's. and i would not waist a cold Warsteiner on him...guy has ego issues. he'd probably squash me like a bug if i went over there and posted one of my chatty-girly posts... but i'd sure as hell share a mimi-keg w/you guys anyday. :cheers: