Porsche purchase tax to be 90k in France - Page 2 - Porsche General - PistonHeads UK

If you believe Britain's ZEV mandate is challenging, take note of the remarkable tariff hidden in the new French budget, which was pushed through the national assembly this week using the decree power of Article 49.3—a signature move of the Macron administration. Starting next month, the tax on a Porsche Cayenne or a BMW X6 M will be €70,000 (£58,000), escalating to €90,000 by 2027. This is a substantial tax with real impact.

Unless hybrid or EV of course. I’m sure Porsche makes the hybrids specifically to get around these kinds of things.

By any chance, are there many French cars that fit into that tax bracket?

If importing a car you get a reduction of 10% per year based on when the car was first registered.

DMZ said: Unless hybrid or EV of course. I’m sure Porsche makes the hybrids specifically to get around these kinds of things. Surprised if any such cars (their high tax brackets) were bought anyway in France as their tax was already high. Hopefully people vote with their feet and buy no cars or less cars instead. TX.

DMZ said: Unless hybrid or EV of course. I’m sure Porsche makes the hybrids specifically to get around these kinds of things. But is the 992.2 GTS a true Hybrid ? It does zero miles on Ev ... in Ev terms it's little better than those cars that use the alternator to both support torque when required and charge the 12v battery ??

Our head office is in France and my colleagues who come over are repeatedly astounded at how cheap cars are here and what level of people drive what they drive. A warehouse colleague has an older Porsche Cayenne. Maybe £10k-worth of car here, in France it's simply not feasible for an equivalent worker to own such a car due to tax. I was informed that an Audi S3, maybe €50k, would have another €30-€40k of tax on top at purchase. I'm not sure of the exact system over there but I was told that these punitive taxes only applies to cars up to 10 years old. Which is why a lot of people in France drive old cars

Muzzer79 said: Our head office is in France and my colleagues who come over are repeatedly astounded at how cheap cars are here and what level of people drive what they drive. A warehouse colleague has an older Porsche Cayenne. Maybe £10k-worth of car here, in France it's simply not feasible for an equivalent worker to own such a car due to tax. I was informed that an Audi S3, maybe €50k, would have another €30-€40k of tax on top at purchase. I'm not sure of the exact system over there but I was told that these punitive taxes only applies to cars up to 10 years old. Which is why a lot of people in France drive old cars The opposite of the UK where old cars with a bit of oomph are being VED'ed off the road.

En générale, the French are less interested in cars - most see them for their practicality, and wouldn’t spend high proportions of their income/wealth on cars. For them, life offers other more important enjoyments. Of course there are exceptions, but for some reason the UK probably has the biggest obsession with cars in Europe. Which is bizarre, because we have, probably, the worst roads of any major European country - and France the best. Such irony

Yes, it really makes you think.... The road tax in Ireland for my Cayman would be 790 euros!

I do a couple of trips a year driving through France….there are very few “luxury” brand cars and high end SUV’s almost always on foreign plates. Barely ever see a Porsche on France plates.

It always makes me chuckle when I take my 7 year old Range Rover through Yerp to Italy, the Germans in particular tend to gawp at it. How little they know...

Geneve said: En générale, the French are less interested in cars - most see them for their practicality, and wouldn’t spend high proportions of their income/wealth on cars. For them, life offers other more important enjoyments. Of course there are exceptions, but for some reason the UK probably has the biggest obsession with cars in Europe. Which is bizarre, because we have, probably, the worst roads of any major European country - and France the best. Such irony Au contraire, I found that driving my Caterham in France elicited far more interest than it did in England, and always got a wave (from passengers too) on the few occasions I was spotted by a French registered car over here.

Muzzer79 said: Our head office is in France and my colleagues who come over are repeatedly astounded at how cheap cars are here and what level of people drive what they drive. A warehouse colleague has an older Porsche Cayenne. Maybe £10k-worth of car here, in France it's simply not feasible for an equivalent worker to own such a car due to tax. I was informed that an Audi S3, maybe €50k, would have another €30-€40k of tax on top at purchase. I'm not sure of the exact system over there but I was told that these punitive taxes only applies to cars up to 10 years old. Which is why a lot of people in France drive old cars Top rate applies to anything over 194g CO2 /km from memory so most cars with an interesting engine.

Geneve said: Of course there are exceptions, but for some reason the UK probably has the biggest obsession with cars in Europe. We are definitely up there but wouldn't say the biggest. The Germans I would say are number 1. Having been to Germany many times for work and leisure, almost everyone I speak to knows a family member who works for one of the big manufacturers. Cars and motorsport is almost part of their makeup and culture. Even the women over there have more interest in cars than our women over here. Italians are up there too!

I'd say that the French do like interesting cars, they just don't buy them. Driving my Lotus Elise Cup in France always gets loads of positive attention. Less attention from driving the 911.

Mrs Big M was driving us down to the South of France in one of the M5s. We had stopped for a layover in a little French village which had a nice auberge. In the morning there was a cluster of chaps gawping at the car and they then proceeded to chase us out of the village on their mopeds shouting “M Cinq M Cinq” and taking pictures. It was all very bizarre, Mrs BigM just couldn’t figure it out at all. So yes nice cars are a rarity in France but people still seem to like them.

CanAm said: Au contraire, I found that driving my Caterham in France elicited far more interest than it did in England, and always got a wave (from passengers too) on the few occasions I was spotted by a French registered car over here. I think the French have little interest in owning a nice car - but a fascination for seeing nice cars because they're relatively rare. I was in one of my more sporty cars once on the péage and I had a car alongside me, a car behind and a car in front all taking video and photographs - bizarre and dangerous. Fun though. The gendarmes love them too Edited by NDA on Friday 7th February 17:33

The French do enjoy their cars…even Porsche’s. I attended an event organised by the French RS club a couple of years ago at Le Mans…three days of driving and enjoying great cars. The PCGB equivalent was standing around in a car park https://www.instagram.com/share/BAfascjOj-

I lived in France for 20 years. The French love cars as much as we do, but they simply cannot afford them like the average UK person. They are also much more expensive second hand than in the Uk.

Wow, that’s a lot of tax! The French do like nice cars. I was surprised at the reaction to my 991 Targa when I took it to France last year. Waves and thumbs up every day. Kids taking photos shouting “GTS, GTS”. A group of lads hanging out their car videoing. Group of girls flashing (lights!) and going mad following me. The local baker explaining that the family love the car and look out for it. I think of the few other Porsches I saw, all flashed and waved. Got to say, as it was a new car to me it was a nice response. In contrast, on the trip down on the M20, someone, for no reason whatsoever, suggested I liked to shake coffee beans

Geneve said: En générale, the French are less interested in cars - most see them for their practicality, and wouldn’t spend high proportions of their income/wealth on cars. For them, life offers other more important enjoyments. Of course there are exceptions, but for some reason the UK probably has the biggest obsession with cars in Europe. Which is bizarre, because we have, probably, the worst roads of any major European country - and France the best. Such irony I think you are mixing things up - the French don't spend their money on new cars, but they have a quite deep love of (nice) old cars. My brother lives in deepest rural France, and his wife has a BL Mini, which not only gets massive attention everywhere it goes, there are also many classic car clubs and enthusiasts, even in the middle of nowhere (which is most of France). We took the BMW (E30) to France a few years ago - massive positive reactions everywhere which I was not expecting. We parked in a small town square, went to eat, and on returning it was literally surrounded by people - we assumed it was on fire or had been smashed into - no; they simply loved it.

Schuey_911 said: Geneve said: Of course there are exceptions, but for some reason the UK probably has the biggest obsession with cars in Europe. We are definitely up there but wouldn't say the biggest. The Germans I would say are number 1. Having been to Germany many times for work and leisure, almost everyone I speak to knows a family member who works for one of the big manufacturers. Cars and motorsport is almost part of their makeup and culture. Even the women over there have more interest in cars than our women over here. Italians are up there too! I agree with that, Germany and Italy up there with us in that respect, although the Italians IIRC, also had a tax issue for stuff over 2000cc even years ago. Sweden is also up there with us as well.

aeropilot said: I agree with that, Germany and Italy up there with us in that respect, although the Italians IIRC, also had a tax issue for stuff over 2000cc even years ago. Sweden is also up there with us as well. No, sorry, but not Italy. For sure people have an interest in cars and appreciate a good sports car, classic or modern, and respect it for what it is. You'll get positive comments generally, especially out of the big cities (Milan, Rome). On the m-way people will get out of your way - which is terrible as it gets you to "press on", not wanting to disdain the favour! But in terms of ownership its a different story and much more like France than Germany or UK. Ownership tax ("bollo") is very high. Relatively mundane cars like a 997 or say an M5 will still have to pay several Eur k yearly based on their "fiscal" engine power. Same with insurance, its also quite hard to get comprehensive cover, which will make you think 3x before driving your €50k vanilla 997 C2! Things get easier when the car reaches 20yr though (insurance drops and tax halves) and yet again with 30yr (taxes dissapear altogether), as long as its a second car and registered as a classic.

Have to say all of our Boxsters (which have been bright colours) have been treated in France like Royalty. It’s quite embarrassing that you end up regularly stopped for a selfie or videoed as your driving through a French village or town. The difference is the French really appreciate nice cars whereas in the UK you get the “tosser” comments - nothing more than jealously really. I appreciate tax is extortionate in France so it adds a certain element to the WOW factor.

What is the car tax situation in France, how does it work? Genuinely curious.

Batfoy said: It always makes me chuckle when I take my 7 year old Range Rover through Yerp to Italy, the Germans in particular tend to gawp at it. How little they know... ...they are unaware of how you managed to get it there?on the back of a low-loader.

MC Bodge said: Batfoy said: It always makes me chuckle when I take my 7 year old Range Rover through Yerp to Italy, the Germans in particular tend to gawp at it. How little they know... ...they are unaware of how you managed to get it there?on the back of a low-loader. Har har. Nurse, the side-splitting sutures please.

Batfoy said: What is the car tax situation in France, how does it work? Genuinely curious. Be very scared if you live there. TX.

What is that, the annual tax you must pay on a car with these emissions or is that on new cars?

It's a 1-off registration tax. High value / performance cars in the Rep of Ireland are similarly priced with VAT & VRT. €196,000 for a base Carrera

Austria is awful for tax too. We have the NOVA tax, which is a CO2 based tax on the final amount of the car at initial purchase. The new 911T is 50K euro more in Austria than in Germany. Then we have a power tax, anything over ~120 BHP is tax an amount for each extra HP. Oddly, even with power tax car insurance is still on-par with the UK's prices for sports cars.

Terminator X said: Be very scared if you live there. TX. One of the reasons why the French keep cars for quite some time is that the tax referred to is a one of payment when you first register it in your name. There is no annual or monthly tax on vehicles in France Also if you buy a second hand car of 10 years of age or more the registration tax is cut by 50%