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YOUR RESEARCHBrake flush DIY ?
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When I flush I run 5.1, it's completely mixable with dot 3 and dot 4
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Is this something that is reasonable for a DIY or is an Indy recommended due to specialty tools and/or experience?
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I have seen it at a couple raceshops up here in Northern Cali, it is getting harder and harder to find, for the price I do what you do and use a better fluid.
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For $64, you could use Castrol SRF which would be major overkill unless you have a racecar
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I have seen it at a couple raceshops up here in Northern Cali, it is getting harder and harder to find, for the price I do what you do and use a better fluid.
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Another suggestion I will share with you is that you need to check what color fluid you currently have in your system and use a different color to flush� if your flushing your system you know when to stop� if it is currently blue you stop when it turns yellow at the nipple� or whatever color you end up using.
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I am going to sign up for my first DE and see that a recent brake flush is required. Is this something that is reasonable for a DIY or is an Indy recommended due to specialty tools and/or experience?
Any other recommendations for a DE event virgin?
Thanks
Will the DE organizers take your word that the brakes have been flushed recently? Or do they require a receipt for this work?
Be sure if the car is equipped with a manual transmission you do the clutch hydraulic system after the brake system.
Are they really "requiring" a recent brake flush , or highly recommending one?
In any case, it is a very good idea to have fresh brake fluid, or at least bleed the brakes before going to the track
What brake fluid are you thinking of?
What about brake pads? They should be at least 50%
Definitely get a Motive bleeder, it will save you a ton of time. Lots of threads and DIY's
Thanks for the responses.
Good question on validating the brake flush - not sure what proof would be required if it was a DYI service.
There is also a requirement to have the car inspected by an authorized service provider (dealers and selected indys listed by the club) within 30 days prior to the event and have them sign off on all requirements. I will ask them about the brake flush validation.
Hopefully all is in order....
I do not know about your areas DE day but for my areas AutoX we fill out a form and sign off...
I will recommend the Motive bleeder. I had a mishap while flushing my system and had a ton of air trapped everywhere! Got the Motive tool and flushed everything twice! My pedal was ROCK HARD! (Insert bad joke here)
Another suggestion I will share with you is that you need to check what color fluid you currently have in your system and use a different color to flush� if your flushing your system you know when to stop� if it is currently blue you stop when it turns yellow at the nipple� or whatever color you end up using. (Insert second bad joke here)
Seeing your post I now understand that this is a full event… it is highly recommended to use a GOOD shop. If you use Tom, Dick and Hairy from down the road that does not understand your car or what end the motor is at you might not get the service you really need!
Ask the club members where they go to get this done in your area.
Uh, no
DOT 3, DOT 4, and DOT 5.1 non-SBBF—colorless to amber.
to my knowledge, you cannot buy DOT4 or 5.1 in any color other than colorless to amber in the USA
DOT 5 is not compatible with any other brake fluid and to my knowledge not for our cars braking systems
The times I have bled the brakes and the few times I have observed techs doing this it is pretty easy to tell when the "old" brake fluid is flushed out and one is now flushing the new stuff.
Awesome...gov't protecting us from protecting ourselves..
Some places still carry it, at a premium under the auspices of �For Off-Highway Use Only�...just saying. I wonder when someone will create a coloring at add to the fluid for those of us that like to ensure we have completely bled all the old fluid out?
where is it available?
I found one place in Canada that still had some and they wanted $50 for 1 can of superblue plus shipping
I mark my catch bottle with the volume for each caliper and bleed it that way
Ebay is one place,
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ATE-Super-Bl...pWatGg&vxp=mtr
I have seen it at a couple raceshops up here in Northern Cali, it is getting harder and harder to find, for the price I do what you do and use a better fluid.
OK, so WHICH Motive Bleeder is the best one for use? European Red Label, European Black Label, Universal? ??? What's the diff between red and black label ones? As in, if one has a swivel at the cap, that's a benefit I can see.
Agreed on that,
back on topic, which power bleeder does everyone use?
Sounds a little like alcohol, I know there definitely is a difference between Red/Black Labels...when it comes to Johnnie Walker ;-)
Porsche's require the European, the main difference between black and red label is black comes with a machined aluminum cap vs. composite on the red label, it's very simple process with the Motive and a catch bottle. I flush my brakes before every event and use SRF which is probably overkill for your application. I previously used Motul rbf 600 or 660 which would be more than adequate and costs considerably less...
Black label, worth the few extra $
As far as brake fluid, ATE 200 is fine for street stock and half the $ of Motul 600 . 660 is overkill for street cars
You just posted exactly what I posted, and dot 5 is purple, and you are correct it is not comparable, to use it you would have to start with fresh everything. When I flush I run 5.1, it's completely mixable with dot 3 and dot 4
My shop initials everything on the form they did/inspected so they will not initial the brake flush if you just did it. Our DE guys don't care if you note you did it. For their insurance they just want the formed filled out.
Two things: While EZ, a fellow rennlister did my first one with me and I couldn't have done it as well the second time without the hands-on demo. No substitute for youtube in my opinion.
Secondly, the most under-given reminder: after completion pump those brakes a few times before putting it in gear. It's so obvious but don't forget!
Looks like this vendor still sells it. Prolly for 'off road use only'.
Amazon.com: ATE 706202 Original TYP 200 DOT 4 Brake Fluid - 1 Liter: Automotive
Amazon.com: ATE 706202 Original TYP 200 DOT 4 Brake Fluid - 1 Liter: Automotive
Hard to beat the price. You can also get the Motive bleeder kit and bottle all together for a decent price down at the bottom of the page.
Hmmm, can't edit the above. Anyway, doesn't say super blue but that's what I searched for on Amazon.
As an aside, the aviation fuel is dyed to prevent mis-fueling aircraft. This has killed people in the past. Not defending the stupidity of DOT or the fedguv, but wrong fluid has killed before.
I love it, think we can use that phrase for driving (pun meant) awareness? :-P
Brake fluid doesn't kill people....Lazy reactions and slippery shoes do!
Ectually, I believe wrong brake fluid has also killed a driver, but I can't seem to recall the specifics. Maybe it was mix of syn and organic brake fluid, or syn in a system where organic was supposed to be, or something like that in a race car. fluid/seal failed, brakes failed, hi speed into something unforgiving and dead driver.
(note, that I've been accused of not having a great sense of humor recently, but dead people by someone else being stupid doesn't really budge my laughometer)
