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Very tempted. I would like a 3.4, as id probably kick myself if i didnt go big... I am a touch nervous about bore scoring issues. Am i right in saying the gen2 has a different block coating and isnt as troublesome? Basic wish list is 3.4 manual and bose stereo. Anything i should look at and be aware of? I get usual bits and generic checks, but anything else thats worth a punt? If its a gen 1 with good bores, by now has the risk passed? Or do i just go gen2 Cheers!

A gen 1 with a rebuilt engine might be the best option, I don't think the gen 1 Cayman S is worth the risk otherwise. Gen 2 is unfortunately quite rare with a manual, since it was the debut of the PDK and the gen 2 is already quite a rare car to begin with due to the financial crisis at the time it was released.

Gen 2 entirely different engine altogether

Gen 2 all day long unless you can find a Gen 1 with full rebuild as suggested but these are few and far between. Ive not driven either but i wouldnt overlook the 2.9 if the right car comes along as the difference in real world performance is quite small.

I’d go Gen2 CS personally and wait for a good manual to come along. Get a good one now as the prices will start going up before long and you might be tempted to keep it as a non depreciating asset.

Belle427 said: Gen 2 all day long unless you can find a Gen 1 with full rebuild as suggested but these are few and far between. Ive not driven either but i wouldnt overlook the 2.9 if the right car comes along as the difference in real world performance is quite small. I have a 2.9 and have not been disappointed by the performance. I also had a Caterham "Superlight deluxe" for many years, which on paper was ½ sec quicker 0-60, (ie about the same as the 3.4) but in the real world there's nothing in it. Don't rule out a 2.9.

Hol said: I’d go Gen2 CS personally and wait for a good manual to come along. Get a good one now as the prices will start going up before long and you might be tempted to keep it as a non depreciating asset. Pretty fanciful. Gen 2 prices are falling right now. Don't see them leaping up any time soon. Here's a manual from a specialist dealer for £15k. OK, it's high miles, but even at this mileage, would have been a fair bit more even 12 months ago. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202411116... Don't think the styling is widely liked, which is what I think will hold bsck values in the medium to long term.

Thanks all.. I mean if a gen 1 is say 6k under a gen 2... whats the cost of a clutch/rebuild... As i supose thats the other way of looking at it.

I've given some thought to a manual 987.2 Cayman S. They're typically priced around £20,000 and there aren't many around. A newer, lower mileage 981 S will usually be £30,000 ish so the earlier car looks like a good purchase perhaps. However, these cars are now often 15 years old, and there's some expensive potential bills lurking. Coolant hoses and crossover pipes are a "when not if" item that costs £1,000 plus to have fixed. Suspension components may be rather tired by now, brake pipes are likely to have corroded and the car may well need new discs and pads too. Then there's the gear linkage cables, leaking condensers and corroded exhaust fittings. The trick is finding one whose owner(s) have kept on top of those things. If they haven't - and regular servicing may not have addressed them - one might be looking at a bill of £000's to get sorted. That would be at a specialist; if you can DIY it'd cost much less, to be fair.

CanAm said: f6box said: Pretty fanciful. Gen 2 prices are falling right now. Don't see them leaping up any time soon. Here's a manual from a specialist dealer for £15k. OK, it's high miles, but even at this mileage, would have been a fair bit more even 12 months ago. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202411116... Don't think the styling is widely liked, which is what I think will hold bsck values in the medium to long term. Wash your mouth out with soap and water! (though I must admit that I prefer the subtle shanges to the tailgate area in the 981)

f6box said: Hol said: I’d go Gen2 CS personally and wait for a good manual to come along. Get a good one now as the prices will start going up before long and you might be tempted to keep it as a non depreciating asset. Pretty fanciful. Gen 2 prices are falling right now. Don't see them leaping up any time soon. Here's a manual from a specialist dealer for £15k. OK, it's high miles, but even at this mileage, would have been a fair bit more even 12 months ago. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202411116... Don't think the styling is widely liked, which is what I think will hold bsck values in the medium to long term. It's also one of the most basic specced Cayman S that I've seen. No leather interior, no satnav, no pasm, no sport mode, just sports seats.

I can DIY, ive a big garage and I am considering a ramp. I also have a good local guy for stuff i cant be arsed to do. Part of me says I am being daft. But thats getting drowned out by just buy one and stop being a worrier!

Have a look at this guys journey with a Gen 1. https://youtu.be/iVHJAKQzHjw?si=1giMIJhgMNgYHfSj I'd agree about finding a car that at least has had some of the work done makes a lot of sense and less of a headache for you.

My 3.4 987.1 has 105k on it and (probably) no bore scoring. A bit of white smoke on startup but no ticking and the AOS has been changed by me. I do struggle to get it to pass emissions tests every MOT though and it does like to drink oil so the engine is showing signs of wear. Hartech rebuild cost (with them taking the engine out of the car for you) is north of £10k so I'd struggle to justify the cost as the car isn't worth more than that. Having said that, she's absolutely beautiful from almost any angle, sounds glorious and gives a better mpg than my 2022 Evoque. I treat the car as a bit of a project, so if/when things go wrong I will have a go at fixing it myself - not sure about doing an engine rebuild but so far I've not needed to think about that.

I agree, don't rule out the gen 2, 2.9 engine. You'll be doing the speed limit in second gear anyway so something to consider. Gen 1 CS yes bore scores, the 2.7 less of an issue for this but worth checking the service history & potentially some sort of PDI if buying privately. If you search 'Porsche Cayman buyers guide,' then both Pistonheads & PCGB have detailed articles on what to look for, as well as informing you on replacement costs.

duncancallum said: Thanks all.. I mean if a gen 1 is say 6k under a gen 2... whats the cost of a clutch/rebuild... As i supose thats the other way of looking at it. A clutch replacement is about £1000+vat at a Porsche specialist. From what I've heard an engine rebuild due to bore score is above £10,000

Billy_Whizzzz said: Gen 2 entirely different engine altogether It's an entirely different engine.

f6box said: Hol said: I’d go Gen2 CS personally and wait for a good manual to come along. Get a good one now as the prices will start going up before long and you might be tempted to keep it as a non depreciating asset. Pretty fanciful. Gen 2 prices are falling right now. Don't see them leaping up any time soon. Here's a manual from a specialist dealer for £15k. OK, it's high miles, but even at this mileage, would have been a fair bit more even 12 months ago. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202411116... Don't think the styling is widely liked, which is what I think will hold bsck values in the medium to long term. Not really. It’s happened for a lot of sports cars after reaching 15 years of age.

duncancallum said: I can DIY, ive a big garage and I am considering a ramp = just buy one and stop being a worrier! I've corrected that for you! I've had a few different Porsches for a while now and if you can do the work yourself, they really aren't expensive to own. The parts themselves are not unduly expensive and there is a decent amount of aftermarket support these days Discs and pads all round can be done for less than £250, suspension arms are typically ~£100 each, coolant pipes aren't too expensive (can't remember how much I paid for mine but it certainly wasn't crazy and it wasn't a particularly difficult job)... etc etc. Get one with a decent engine (personally I would avoid a Gen1 3.4 but it depends on your attitude to risk) and you will be fine. My current Cayman has now done 116k and probably 40+ track days in my ownership... it has never let me down.

paulguitar said: Billy_Whizzzz said: Gen 2 entirely different engine altogether It's an entirely different engine. 1....2.....3

Monkeylegend said: paulguitar said: Billy_Whizzzz said: Gen 2 entirely different engine altogether It's an entirely different engine. 1....2.....3 Ha, I'm glad someone got it.

paulguitar said: Monkeylegend said: paulguitar said: Billy_Whizzzz said: Gen 2 entirely different engine altogether It's an entirely different engine. 1....2.....3 Ha, I'm glad someone got it. A bit childish bit I love childish

Hol said: Not really. It’s happened for a lot of sports cars after reaching 15 years of age. What's your evidence for that, out of interest? Oldest 986s are now 28 years old, no sign of them going up. Earliest 987 Boxsters are now 20 years old, currently cheaper than ever, earliest 987 Cayman is 19 years old, cheaper than ever. 996s have probably gone up a tiny bit from rock bottom, but only a tiny bit and that's quite recent and if anything prices are falling right now. Earliest ones were well over 20 years old before they budged. Anyway, 987.2 Caymans have been falling over the past two years, that's clear enough. I can't see them going up much in the next five years. Anyone's guess after that.

DarkVeil said: It's also one of the most basic specced Cayman S that I've seen. No leather interior, no satnav, no pasm, no sport mode, just sports seats. Most 3.4S manual Gen 2 Caymans are very low spec, extended leather is very rare for instance. I bought one in 2020 and one in 2022, and so have been watching the market for years and know just how few good spec cars there are out there. That car is fairly typical of about a third or more of examples. Just the sports seats puts it above a lot of cars. And it's far cheaper than it would have been a few years ago. There's quite a spread of prices right now due to some vendors pricing their cars at levels from a few years ago and who haven't twigged reality. But there have been numerous much cheaper examples over the last six months. If you factor in inflation, prices are down by over 30%+ since 2021. The idea that you now need to get in fast because prices are about to jump is a bit detached from the current reality of a falling market.

andrewcliffe said: I want heated seats, cruise and the Xenon headlamps. Cruise can be added relatively easily for £ 500 or so. Don't make the factory Xenons a deal breaker, either. The low beam is pretty crap by current standards and the high beam is a mix of xenon and incandescent. I've had gen 2s with and without Xenons. If you add LED bulbs to the non-xenon headlight unit, you can get better results than the factory xenons.

I think a Hartech full rebuild is around £ 12-15k with a significant waiting list. I'm watching Caymans at the moment, I'd prefer a 3.4S 987.2 with a manual gearbox. I want heated seats, cruise and the Xenon headlamps. Cruise can be added relatively easily for £ 500 or so. I'd quite like Sport Chrono, not because I'd use it, but it adds something to the dashboard. I'd quite like a rear wiper too. Edited by andrewcliffe on Tuesday 19th November 16:44

f6box said: Don't make the factory Xenons a deal breaker, either. The low beam is pretty crap by current standards and the high beam is a mix of xenon and incandescent. I've had gen 2s with and without Xenons. If you add LED bulbs to the non-xenon headlight unit, you can get better results than the factory xenons. Thats good to know. My experience with LED's has been mixed with a car that gave a patchy beam pattern which was like (I assume) driving with cateracts. There is also the worry of whether they would pass an MoT.

f6box said: Hol said: Not really. It’s happened for a lot of sports cars after reaching 15 years of age. What's your evidence for that, out of interest? Other drivers cars that reach the bottom of their market price at around that time. Renault R26/182, M3 E36/E43, all Impreza, Sklyines and Evo.s for example. All of them stopped dropping around that age and started creeping up a few short years later. Just for the record, I’m not drawing parallels with cars like the 996 GT3 that increase significantly, just cars that become depreciation proof as good examples don’t drop any more.

Hol said: Just for the record, I’m not drawing parallels with cars like the 996 GT3 that increase significantly, just cars that become depreciation proof as good examples don’t drop any more. Well, as a matter of demonstrable fact, the earliest 987.1 Caymans are now 19 years old. It's also objectively true that values of 987.1 Caymans are lower today than last year or the year before. The earliest 987.2 Caymans are now 15 years old and they have been dropping for the last two years, too. With all that in mind, how you can convince yourself they're appreciating, I have no idea. It's clearly not happening and it's very unlikely to happen in the next few years. Maybe they'll start creeping up in about five years. But I suspect they won't move much for at least 10 years. Even the Cayman R has been flat in numerical terms and has fallen quite a bit over the last few years factoring in inflation. And like I said, early 996s and 986s are nigh on 30 years old now and should be well up the appreciation curve if you're theory is right. But they're not, so it clearly isn't.

andrewcliffe said: Thats good to know. My experience with LED's has been mixed with a car that gave a patchy beam pattern which was like (I assume) driving with cateracts. There is also the worry of whether they would pass an MoT. It may depend on the bulbs you use. I've had LEDs in reflector units give patchy results. But LEDs in the 987's projectors have worked well. As I said, with the right bulbs, it's not hard to beat the factory xenons, which are pretty poor by modern standards. Zero chance of failing an MOT on the dipped beam bulbs, which are not themselves visible without pulling the headlamp unit and then bulb. Which they would have no cause to do and indeed isn't something they do. It simply isn't going to happen. The high beam bulbs are visible, but I am unaware of any database which MOT testers can reference to tell them LED bulbs were not factory fit, so I really can't see how they would fail them. I've MOT'ed a 987.2 with LEDs in both lamps and passed, so think it's a non issue.

Monkeylegend said: paulguitar said: Monkeylegend said: paulguitar said: Billy_Whizzzz said: Gen 2 entirely different engine altogether It's an entirely different engine. 1....2.....3 Ha, I'm glad someone got it. A bit childish bit I love childish Am sure I’m being very thick - but let me in on the joke?!

Billy_Whizzzz said: Monkeylegend said: paulguitar said: Monkeylegend said: paulguitar said: Billy_Whizzzz said: Gen 2 entirely different engine altogether It's an entirely different engine. 1....2.....3 Ha, I'm glad someone got it. A bit childish bit I love childish Am sure I’m being very thick - but let me in on the joke?!

Hol said: Other drivers cars that reach the bottom of their market price at around that time. Renault R26/182, M3 E36/E43, all Impreza, Sklyines and Evo.s for example. All of them stopped dropping around that age and started creeping up a few short years later. Just for the record, I’m not drawing parallels with cars like the 996 GT3 that increase significantly, just cars that become depreciation proof as good examples don’t drop any more. Do any of these cars quoted have much in common with a Gen 1 Cayman ? I have a friend who missed the Boat with the Ford RS "boom" and realising at the time that the Japanese Rally inspired machinery were vastly undervalued stuck his money there . At last count and I haven't seen him since early summer he had six various Models and as you say has saw some increase in values . Hard to see that happening with most Caymans

reddiesel said: Hol said: Other drivers cars that reach the bottom of their market price at around that time. Renault R26/182, M3 E36/E43, all Impreza, Sklyines and Evo.s for example. All of them stopped dropping around that age and started creeping up a few short years later. Just for the record, I’m not drawing parallels with cars like the 996 GT3 that increase significantly, just cars that become depreciation proof as good examples don’t drop any more. Do any of these cars quoted have much in common with a Gen 1 Cayman ? I have a friend who missed the Boat with the Ford RS "boom" and realising at the time that the Japanese Rally inspired machinery were vastly undervalued stuck his money there . At last count and I haven't seen him since early summer he had six various Models and as you say has saw some increase in values . Hard to see that happening with most Caymans I did Ok out of the JDM boom by buying at the low point. I also did the same with a Megane R26 that was depreciation proof after 5 years of ownership, which is the scenario I referenced in my opening post.

SV_WDC said: I agree, don't rule out the gen 2, 2.9 engine. You'll be doing the speed limit in second gear anyway so something to consider. Gen 1 CS yes bore scores, the 2.7 less of an issue for this but worth checking the service history & potentially some sort of PDI if buying privately. If you search 'Porsche Cayman buyers guide,' then both Pistonheads & PCGB have detailed articles on what to look for, as well as informing you on replacement costs. I kind of agree with this sentiment. I only have a 986S and was adamant I had to have the S. Don't regret my choices, but having driven a well sorted 986 2.7, Cayman 2.7 and Cayman S since, I wouldn't hesitate to have the "lower model" instead in the future. As much as I love the S, I never really use all the power. I actually found the 2.7 so much more engaging and rewarding to drive. If I was tracking the car then S is the way to go, but public roads there's not enough of a delta in my eyes. A potential solution to the OPs problem though is to buy a cheap Cayman S (£5-6k) with a problem then send it to Hartech for a 3.7 rebuild.

Jayho said: SV_WDC said: I agree, don't rule out the gen 2, 2.9 engine. You'll be doing the speed limit in second gear anyway so something to consider. Gen 1 CS yes bore scores, the 2.7 less of an issue for this but worth checking the service history & potentially some sort of PDI if buying privately. If you search 'Porsche Cayman buyers guide,' then both Pistonheads & PCGB have detailed articles on what to look for, as well as informing you on replacement costs. I kind of agree with this sentiment. I only have a 986S and was adamant I had to have the S. Don't regret my choices, but having driven a well sorted 986 2.7, Cayman 2.7 and Cayman S since, I wouldn't hesitate to have the "lower model" instead in the future. As much as I love the S, I never really use all the power. I actually found the 2.7 so much more engaging and rewarding to drive. If I was tracking the car then S is the way to go, but public roads there's not enough of a delta in my eyes. A potential solution to the OPs problem though is to buy a cheap Cayman S (£5-6k) with a problem then send it to Hartech for a 3.7 rebuild. I had a 987 2.7 before the 981 3.4S I have now. I think the 2.7 is perfectly calibrated for UK roads, and it sounds lovely too. I wouldn't trade back, but there's nothing at all wrong with other smaller-engined cars. Also, a big advantage on the 987 is no need to worry about bore scoring with the 2.7.

I recently bought a 987.2 2.9 PDK and it's plenty fast enough, rockets through three figure speeds on all the private land around where I am

Jayho said: A potential solution to the OPs problem though is to buy a cheap Cayman S (£5-6k) with a problem then send it to Hartech for a 3.7 rebuild. Not sure the manmaths would work. Hartech standard rebuild with appopriate closed deck liners and new pistons is £ 12k plus cost of car. An increased capacity engine could be around £ 20k.

I have a manual 2.7. It's a lovely drive and as well as being mechanically safer, it also scrapes into the lower road tax bracket, which is nice.

paulguitar said: Jayho said: SV_WDC said: I agree, don't rule out the gen 2, 2.9 engine. You'll be doing the speed limit in second gear anyway so something to consider. Gen 1 CS yes bore scores, the 2.7 less of an issue for this but worth checking the service history & potentially some sort of PDI if buying privately. If you search 'Porsche Cayman buyers guide,' then both Pistonheads & PCGB have detailed articles on what to look for, as well as informing you on replacement costs. I kind of agree with this sentiment. I only have a 986S and was adamant I had to have the S. Don't regret my choices, but having driven a well sorted 986 2.7, Cayman 2.7 and Cayman S since, I wouldn't hesitate to have the "lower model" instead in the future. As much as I love the S, I never really use all the power. I actually found the 2.7 so much more engaging and rewarding to drive. If I was tracking the car then S is the way to go, but public roads there's not enough of a delta in my eyes. A potential solution to the OPs problem though is to buy a cheap Cayman S (£5-6k) with a problem then send it to Hartech for a 3.7 rebuild. I had a 987 2.7 before the 981 3.4S I have now. I think the 2.7 is perfectly calibrated for UK roads, and it sounds lovely too. I wouldn't trade back, but there's nothing at all wrong with other smaller-engined cars. Also, a big advantage on the 987 is no need to worry about bore scoring with the 2.7. Oh totally forgot about the sound of them too! Both sound great, but because you have to grab the 2.7 by the scruff of the neck a bit more you get to hear it sing a lot more.

Shedding said: I have a manual 2.7. It's a lovely drive and as well as being mechanically safer, it also scrapes into the lower road tax bracket, which is nice. I think that's only true for the 5 speed model? I think if you find one of the 6 speed 987 2.7's they're somehow a higher tax band.

Jayho said: Shedding said: I have a manual 2.7. It's a lovely drive and as well as being mechanically safer, it also scrapes into the lower road tax bracket, which is nice. I think that's only true for the 5 speed model? I think if you find one of the 6 speed 987 2.7's they're somehow a higher tax band. I think you're right and I think PASM does the same.

duncancallum said: Very tempted. I would like a 3.4, as id probably kick myself if i didnt go big... Cheers! Go as big as it gets before the R with the Black Edition. Very very rare manual up for auction soon. https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2011-porsche-9...

KittyLitter said: duncancallum said: Very tempted. I would like a 3.4, as id probably kick myself if i didnt go big... Cheers! Go as big as it gets before the R with the Black Edition. Very very rare manual up for auction soon. https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2011-porsche-9... Thats currently on Autotrader for £ 28k.

I had a 2.9 boxster - I ended up with a 6.5k bill due to a timing chain problem. Not a "common" problem but imo while Porsches of this era are fantastic cars to drive their engines are not reliable. At least in my experience. Also imo don't bother with an aftermarket warranty - just put money in to a slush fund. I had a supposed premium level of warranty from the "orange" break down company. The actual underwriter of the warranty is another company who will do anything they can to get out of paying for a problem.

Had a punt on one on collecting cars but went for strong money, though it had some tasty extras Who ever got it got a really smart motor!

andrewcliffe said: KittyLitter said: duncancallum said: Very tempted. I would like a 3.4, as id probably kick myself if i didnt go big... Cheers! Go as big as it gets before the R with the Black Edition. Very very rare manual up for auction soon. https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2011-porsche-9... Thats currently on Autotrader for £ 28k. Two come along at once! This is what the original poster should get in my opinion. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202411256...

Nice! Bit over my budget for a toy however! Part of me is kicking myself for not going big on that black gen2... If anyone sees a 987.2 manual 3.2 shout!

I've got a 987.1 3.4 Manual. Bought it earlier this year, with a clear borescope check. I've since fitted: - Low Temp Thermostat - Center Radiator - Deeper (0.6l) and X51 style baffled sump - Millers 10w50 NT+ CFS Oil That is more than adequate of an insurance policy against bore score. (I'll live to regret this post).

turbomoggie said: I had a 2.9 boxster - I ended up with a 6.5k bill due to a timing chain problem. Not a "common" problem but imo while Porsches of this era are fantastic cars to drive their engines are not reliable. At least in my experience. What was the craic with the timing chain?

conanius said: I've got a 987.1 3.4 Manual. Bought it earlier this year, with a clear borescope check. I've since fitted: - Low Temp Thermostat - Center Radiator - Deeper (0.6l) and X51 style baffled sump - Millers 10w50 NT+ CFS Oil That is more than adequate of an insurance policy against bore score. (I'll live to regret this post). I had a 987.1 3.4 that used to guzzle oil. Had a borescope carried out by a very reputable specialist who gave it the all clear on the borescope. I put the oil consumption down to the bores becoming ovalised due to the mileage - 80k+.

Despite me not wanting another black car, a Cayman S Black Edition would be my preferred option. Just need to shift my Audi RS6.

Dakar Nofade said: What was the craic with the timing chain? Timing chain stretch on one side of the engine. The car was still driving but it was not sounding very nice at all - a loud tapping sound. Required the whole engine to be removed and dismantled. All fine once repaired but it put me off of the car tbh, I struggled to enjoy it. I'd specifically chosen the 2.9 engine in the hope that the car would be reliable. The warranty company made out like they'd cover the cost but when it came down to it, they put the problem down to normal wear and tear - the car had approx 45k miles on and full service history from main dealer and specialist indie - imo not wear and tear but premature failure. I argued, they fought back. I'd just become a company director and life was very full on and stressful (as well as moving house for this opportunity) so ended up just paying the bill and moving on. I still feel bitter and wish I'd taken it to a court but at that time I didn't have the capacity to do so.

turbomoggie said: Dakar Nofade said: What was the craic with the timing chain? Timing chain stretch on one side of the engine. The car was still driving but it was not sounding very nice at all - a loud tapping sound. Required the whole engine to be removed and dismantled. All fine once repaired but it put me off of the car tbh, I struggled to enjoy it. I'd specifically chosen the 2.9 engine in the hope that the car would be reliable. The warranty company made out like they'd cover the cost but when it came down to it, they put the problem down to normal wear and tear - the car had approx 45k miles on and full service history from main dealer and specialist indie - imo not wear and tear but premature failure. I argued, they fought back. I'd just become a company director and life was very full on and stressful (as well as moving house for this opportunity) so ended up just paying the bill and moving on. I still feel bitter and wish I'd taken it to a court but at that time I didn't have the capacity to do so. Which warranty company? Another story about after market warranties involved warranty direct on here where they tried every trick in the book to avoid paying. Google lord flasheart m5 for the full details…

f6box said: Hol said: I’d go Gen2 CS personally and wait for a good manual to come along. Get a good one now as the prices will start going up before long and you might be tempted to keep it as a non depreciating asset. Pretty fanciful. Gen 2 prices are falling right now. Don't see them leaping up any time soon. Here's a manual from a specialist dealer for £15k. OK, it's high miles, but even at this mileage, would have been a fair bit more even 12 months ago. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202411116... Don't think the styling is widely liked, which is what I think will hold bsck values in the medium to long term. Glad I read this, just realised I need to drop the price of mine

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duncancallum said: Errr... how so errr?

It escalated... Anyway chuffed to bits

Cool - what spec?

Enjoy!

3.2s gen 2 Bose, heated seats, rear wiper and sports exhaust. Drives well, couple of bits to play with to sort. But a clean car!