PCNA Centrelock recall - Page 23 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

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Was also reported on RL on Friday as notifications hit affected customer. Sept 23-Dec 23.

Valid across the world?

So the stop drive notice is proliferating across all territories now. UK customers are being called - and the affected build dates range is expanding. If you have a car build between September 2023 and October 2024 with Centrelock wheels - you could well be receiving a call or email. Affects - GT3, 3RS 4RS, SRS, 911 and Panamera if fitted with centre lock wheels. It's becoming quite serious it seems with estimated remediation from Porsche expected to be by (Feb) Spring 2025. In the meanwhile - Porsche will be pumping out 992.2 GT3 lol.

Can I just do my usual stuck record thing and mention how much i detest centrelocks....?

isaldiri said: Can I just do my usual stuck record thing and mention how much i detest centrelocks....? LOL, you are not alone. I'm looking forward to the goodwill from Porsche although I expect it will not be as generous as some other more recent cases - although this one is probably further reaching Edited by TDT on Tuesday 29th October 16:51

TDT said: isaldiri said: Can I just do my usual stuck record thing and mention how much i detest centrelocks....? LOL, you are not alone. I'm looking forward to the goodwill from Porsche although I expect it will not be as generous as some other more recent cases - although this one is probably further reaching Edited by TDT on Tuesday 29th October 16:51 I luv centre locks,perhaps the minions forgot to apply the ali grease

What happens should your centre lock bolt fracture ? If it does you can bet it will be in a highly dynamic situation with a highly dynamic result ... (Why on earth did they go centre-lock ? Even McLaren are five stud ...)

If the centre lock bolt develops a fracture, I’d expect the wheel to come loose as soon as the the tightening area on the bolt is no longer operating due to broken surface. Extremely dangerous, as pointed by Porsche asking to keep the car parked. Good thing is we’re only talking about a centre lock bolt and not hub, if I understand correctly. How’s possible that replacement lock bolt won’t be avail before Feb 2025? Or is it because OPCs are fully booked to replace it? Edited by RBT0 on Tuesday 29th October 20:30

Because they have to create extra capacity to make replacement bolts for the affected cars. 4x per car. This will take time. They also need to have parts for new cars that they are currently selling and will prioritise over existing cars in the wild already bought and paid for. And as said OPC are already stacked and probably claim to not have loaner cars… although I’m sure there’s at least a couple hundred taycan parked up somewhere gathering dust. Edited by TDT on Tuesday 29th October 20:38

said: So it’s not an isolated time window but an issue affecting cars produced till now? Above it says production between Sept and Dec 23? Yes you’re right it may well be / is a unique part for Porsche and supplier may be at max capacity.

Interestingly the Centre Lock Bolt is not a unique "key" ... they are all the same. So are we about to see "suitable" cars on bricks with their centre lock bolts removed to fit ANOther car ?

I was referring to unique design, specific to Porsche and not used by other OEMs… Not unique key lock. Considering the rarity, I would not expect to see cars on bricks…

ChrisW. said: Interestingly the Centre Lock Bolt is not a unique "key" ... they are all the same. So are we about to see "suitable" cars on bricks with their centre lock bolts removed to fit ANOther car ? Lol. It wont be that bad. Driving season is over for alot of people… so this grounding is timely.

Plenty of GT cars for sale sat with dealers, easy journey from the showroom to the workshop for bolt swap.

RBT0 said: Plenty of GT cars for sale sat with dealers, easy journey from the showroom to the workshop for bolt swap. So who is volunteering to be the first to ask ??

I checked with my dealer re my 992RS ( delivered May 2023) and it is unaffected. ( I had a similar recall on the 997.2 RS and it did require the replacements of the bolts and hubs as I recall.)

As expected then it only affects cars produced between Sep and Dec ‘23.

Unless T. is correct that it's between September '23 and October '24 ?? All will become clear !

Just read the screenshot on first post!

The screenshot on the 1st page is PCNA specific. For GB the window is wider… and seems to be all of MY24 officially, but with from end of June 24 being all clear.

TDT said: It wont be that bad. Driving season is over for alot of people… so this grounding is timely. That is at least the silver lining, not ideal but hopefully won't upset too many plans.

I’ve now got the notification on the ‘My Porsche’ app, doesn’t say stop driving the car, btw.. My dealer hasn’t called me yet, be interesting to see if he bothers.

s2000db said: I’ve now got the notification on the ‘My Porsche’ app, doesn’t say stop driving the car, btw.. My dealer hasn’t called me yet, be interesting to see if he bothers. Yep.. i said in one of the other threads… TDT said: The notifications that UK customers are getting are not Stop Drives… tone is much milder, than US, probably due to litigation culture. I haven’t received any notice yet for my car, but mine is a July/Aug 24 build so I understand unlikely to have received this part. Will see. Edited by TDT on Wednesday 30th October 09:10

TDT said: Because they have to create extra capacity to make replacement bolts for the affected cars. 4x per car. This will take time. They also need to have parts for new cars that they are currently selling and will prioritise over existing cars in the wild already bought and paid for. And as said OPC are already stacked and probably claim to not have loaner cars… although I’m sure there’s at least a couple hundred taycan parked up somewhere gathering dust. Edited by TDT on Tuesday 29th October 20:38 I don't have any experience of machining non-ferrous materials, but I can only assume the billets for the CL's are made from material that's by no means as prolific as something like EN19 or 24. So that's a lead in, for a start. Most decent firms (and Porsche is not likely to compromise QC here) with CNC machines are not sat around, drinking tea and playing darts, but rather have a decent forward order book to keep the £10'sM/€10'sM of machinery busy and productive. In theory, the CAD/CAM can ease in the setup, but even then, there's going to potentially be workholding and tooling required. Then there's the post machining processes to stack on top of all that.

I have just had a recall via my Porsche app. for my 4GTS

Facebook post with images of failures including https://www.facebook.com/groups/293785948447723/pe... Odd that UK not issuing stop driving instruction - seems inconsistent with all other markets including Germany.

They dont have to worry about stop drive in the UK. Most of the cars aren't driven much anyway. They are investment vehicles. Pun intended.

A great time to be in the covered car transport business.

TDT said: The notifications that UK customers are getting are not Stop Drives… tone is much milder, than US, probably due to litigation culture. I wonder about that tbh. the US did not have a stop drive in some cases where the UK did... (and neither did most of europe tbh)....

Well that one isn't just a replacement of the centre lock bolt. Any damage to the hub splines or interlock will be rather more complicated ... if this could be claimed to be damage after the event of the stop drive advice, who will pay ? As for driving, in the USA Porsche are stating that the cars affected should not be driven under any circumstances ... and cars are being collected to prevent this. Reading really need to get a handle on this ...

The recall popped up on the My Porsche app this morning so called my OPC to get it booked in. Dec 23 992 turbo S. While they are aware of the issue, so far they have no details of what is required to sort it in terms of inspection and replacement parts. Was promised a call back when they have more details. Was told not to drive it too!

My OPC has just informed me that all affected UK registered cars must not be driven until fixed and that Porsche will be arranging loan cars via Enterprise, but will not be a Porsche!

GT3ZZZ said: The recall popped up on the My Porsche app this morning so called my OPC to get it booked in. Dec 23 992 turbo S. While they are aware of the issue, so far they have no details of what is required to sort it in terms of inspection and replacement parts. Was promised a call back when they have more details. Was told not to drive it too! Just had the callback. 1,250 UK cars affected, my OPC has 54 of them. Too many loaners needed for them to be Porsches hence the Enterprise arrangement. Parts due February 2025. They will send transport for the car when the parts are in stock.

anybody who is worried about their car can just check online https://recall.porsche.com/prod/pag/vinrecalllooku...

So stick it to the back of your garage ... it will be interesting to see what effect this now has on Porsche Approved and SOR sales numbers ... giving an idea of the proportion of cars affected. Will there be a vin number checker for prospective purchasers running up to the availability of the replacement parts ? (Bingo !!) An indication of GT3 numbers registered by year from How Many Left .... Edited by ChrisW. on Wednesday 30th October 11:32

Sidsw said: anybody who is worried about their car can just check online https://recall.porsche.com/prod/pag/vinrecalllooku... That doesnt seem to be 100% reflective of the new campaign.. and thats the US URL. GB -> https://recall.porsche.com/prod/pag/vinrecalllooku...

Porsche HQ Reading have just called, and confirmed as above, also will be looking at compensation package, so will be interesting to see what they come up with.

I wouldn't like to be the manufacturer who made the cock up, will be expensive!

I wonder what the issue actually is,centre not locking out properly,over torqued.metal fatigue etc My one wheel fitted from new was way tighter than the other 3.

Seen a lot of people complaining about discolouration and breakdown of the surface finish. In a way, just that alone, in and of itself could create an issue with the interface between the nut and wheel.

I wonder how many cars on forecourts will be stuck and not selling now? I say that as I was at my OPC yesterday having a service and looking at their stock and pondering my next car, I assume some of them will be there until Feb now and cannot be sold and delivered until the parts have been replaced.

Jon_Brown91 said: My OPC has just informed me that all affected UK registered cars must not be driven until fixed and that Porsche will be arranging loan cars via Enterprise, but will not be a Porsche! Yep am hearing c1150 UK cars also confirmed Enterprise loaners and no chance of a Porsche. Does beg the question whether the Enterprise offer just relates to the initial period of inspection to confirm whether that particular Porsche is affected or not. Can't imagine most owners would want anything else other than a decent Porsche loaner plus monthly compensation package particularly if the cars are off road for extended period until the earliest fix i.e. Feb 25. Reminiscent of the 991.1 GT3 engine saga. During the last warranty work in 2022 I actually rejected the BMW 5 series loaner delivered from Enterprise due to the s tty condition.... it was a real shed btw! Used another car of mine instead for the period.

Freakuk said: I wonder how many cars on forecourts will be stuck and not selling now? I say that as I was at my OPC yesterday having a service and looking at their stock and pondering my next car, I assume some of them will be there until Feb now and cannot be sold and delivered until the parts have been replaced. Yep posted about this on another thread. Stop sale on affected new and mainly used cars. Should prove interesting for OPCs stocking policy /finance.

Just thinking, (for those that purchased outright) it might be worth getting a WBAC valuation now, and one when you get your car back, this could be a 6-9 month wait (according to Porsche HQ) and there’s serious potential loss of value in the meantime.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/verkehr/porsch... Porsche has to recall a total of around 10,600 vehicles with central locking rims worldwide. The manufacturer confirmed this when asked by auto-motor-und-sport.de. In Germany, around 2,150 cars with corresponding wheels have to go to the workshops. Special model versions of the 911 (type 992), 718 (type 982) and (type G3) series are affected. The recalls have not yet been listed in the databases of the Federal Motor Transport Authority (KBA) and the US traffic safety authority NHTSA. Incorrectly screwing the wheels can lead to damage or even breakage of the central locking nut. As a result, the wheel attachment can come loose, which can lead to loss of the wheel and loss of control of the vehicle. Until the problem is resolved, "the affected vehicles should no longer be driven until the remedial action has been carried out," Porsche wrote in a statement. According to the car manufacturer, the defect was noticed sporadically during continuous field observation of the affected models. The manufacturer is aware of individual accidents caused by the problem, but no personal injuries occurred. Specifically, the following model versions are affected by the recall: Porsche 911/Type 992 (GT3, GT3 RS, Turbo, Turbo S, GTS and Sport Classic), production period September 1, 2023 to October 23, 2024 Porsche 718/Type 982 (GT4 RS and Spyder RS), production period September 1, 2023 to October 23, 2024 Porsche Panamera/Type G3 (Turbo S E-Hybrid, Turbo and GTS), production period September 1, 2023 to October 23, 2024 The central screw connections will be checked in a Porsche center and replaced if necessary. The workshop visit takes about an hour and the action taken is documented in the warranty and maintenance booklet. The owners of affected vehicles have been contacted directly by the Porsche centers since October 25, 2024; they will not incur any costs as a result of the recall. Porsche offers all customers replacement mobility. If necessary, this may also require the rental of rental vehicles, according to the manufacturer.

So Porsche think that they were still building cars that might have had this faulty centre locking nut as recently as one week ago ? I'm amazed if there was more than one batch or supplier that they will know which "batch" was fitted to which individual vin numbered car .... what a mess. P.S. I tried putting two vin numbers from OPC 992 GT3RS cars for sale (and manufactured within this production period) into the vin number checker and neither of them were shown as requiring this recall ... ?? Edited by ChrisW. on Wednesday 30th October 17:21

ChrisW. said: So Porsche think that they were still building cars that might have had this faulty centre locking nut as recently as one week ago ? I'm amazed if there was more than one batch or supplier that they will know which "batch" was fitted to which individual vin numbered car .... what a mess. P.S. I tried putting two vin numbers from OPC 992 GT3RS cars for sale (and manufactured within this production period) into the vin number checker and neither of them were shown as requiring this recall ... ?? Edited by ChrisW. on Wednesday 30th October 17:21 As mentioned before… the recall website is not updated with the campaign. Notices are coming to current owners via phone call, email, mail or in most cases the Porsche app. As for the date range… maybe they are doing a fair bit of rump covering…. from the various group I’m in… no-one with a car delivered later than May 2024 has had notice yet. But this is UK. Could be that other territories have cases later in the MY.

Well just looking at the number of OPC Approved GT4RS and Spyder RS that are shown as available to buy, nothing appears to have changed ... yet. As for the vin number check ... it's a shame that this isn't yet updated because it makes it very difficult for anybody to buy a car with centre locks in the quoted production range. In short, currently no car in the above category is above question .... and therefore cannot be accurately valued.

Wow. Still not clear whether limited issue or spread to current production. So confirmed they don’t want customers driving their cars? Think all the damage when transporting these cars, all door sills scuffed as they’re cheap plastic sills prone to scratching.

I got a call from Porsche yesterday about my C4 GTS MY24 and was told not to drive it (even 3 miles home from work) and they would send a transporter to pick it up and drop it home! They must be very concerned… It’s now back home. Probably like other owners I am extremely disappointed with this situation. I get that it’s not safe to drive and I am grateful to have been told to stop using it before something bad potentially happens but not having a fix until next year is poor. Porsche told me that it won’t be fixed until next year in the call yesterday. The compensation they are talking about better be substantial.

TDT said: https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/verkehr/porsch... Porsche has to recall a total of around 10,600 vehicles with central locking rims worldwide. The manufacturer confirmed this when asked by auto-motor-und-sport.de. In Germany, around 2,150 cars with corresponding wheels have to go to the workshops. Special model versions of the 911 (type 992), 718 (type 982) and (type G3) series are affected. The recalls have not yet been listed in the databases of the Federal Motor Transport Authority (KBA) and the US traffic safety authority NHTSA. Incorrectly screwing the wheels can lead to damage or even breakage of the central locking nut. As a result, the wheel attachment can come loose, which can lead to loss of the wheel and loss of control of the vehicle. Until the problem is resolved, "the affected vehicles should no longer be driven until the remedial action has been carried out," Porsche wrote in a statement. According to the car manufacturer, the defect was noticed sporadically during continuous field observation of the affected models. The manufacturer is aware of individual accidents caused by the problem, but no personal injuries occurred. Specifically, the following model versions are affected by the recall: Porsche 911/Type 992 (GT3, GT3 RS, Turbo, Turbo S, GTS and Sport Classic), production period September 1, 2023 to October 23, 2024 Porsche 718/Type 982 (GT4 RS and Spyder RS), production period September 1, 2023 to October 23, 2024 Porsche Panamera/Type G3 (Turbo S E-Hybrid, Turbo and GTS), production period September 1, 2023 to October 23, 2024 The central screw connections will be checked in a Porsche center and replaced if necessary. The workshop visit takes about an hour and the action taken is documented in the warranty and maintenance booklet. The owners of affected vehicles have been contacted directly by the Porsche centers since October 25, 2024; they will not incur any costs as a result of the recall. Porsche offers all customers replacement mobility. If necessary, this may also require the rental of rental vehicles, according to the manufacturer. So it could be that the majority of cars are inspected and found to be ok? And the car is quickly back on the road?

In today's climate where these cars are depreciating and sometimes heavily - especially over the winter months - I think Porsche might have a big headache on their hands with people requesting refunds or replacements via consumer regs on cars they've sold both new and used in the previous 6 months. By definition the fault was present at the time of purchase and Porsche are presently unable to fix it.

Well people will probably lose out, as full refunds are not guaranteed. They might just about get a trade in offer… which will be on the floor. Most people will just want a car that works, and wont fail, and some goodwill compensation because of the inconvenience.

Good luck trying to reject a car on this current issue there are no guarantees whatsoever it is potentially a very costly process and Porsche won't accept rejection easily even if you have a finance partner on board should the car be say pcp'd. Likely Porsche will at worst try and get away with just Enterprise loaners and at best loaners and monthly compensation reflecting loss of use potential depreciation and or finance payments. Alternative strategy is a class action brought against Porsche similar to the 991.1 GT3 engine situation but somehow can't see that happening for this current issue.

There was a time when the perception was that Toyota were suffering more recalls than any other manufacturer. Over time it has become clear that they just cared more for their customers than any other company ... look at their 10 year 100000 mile warranty now. All you have to do in exchange for this extended warranty is have your car serviced to schedule by a Toyota approved service agent. Of course fair use and the question of consumables will always arise ... but maybe an extended warranty would be a good and hopefully inexpensive way for Porsche to compensate ?? As Porsche owners we do all need Porsche to survive, but we do also need them to consider their customers needs as well.

What did Porsche offer in way of compensation during the 991 engine debacle other than an extended warranty?

ChrisW. said: . but maybe an extended warranty would be a good and hopefully inexpensive way for Porsche to compensate ?? By coincidence as part of the overall compensation package in 2014 for the relacement engine issues all affected new 991.1 GT3 owners also received an additional 12 months warranty on their cars thrown in.

PRO5T said: What did Porsche offer in way of compensation during the 991 engine debacle other than an extended warranty? For those with delivered cars OPC engine swap monthly compensation and free unlimited mileage decent brand new loaner I got a new Cayman GTS PDK.

What will happen to dealer stocks of these cars. Will they have to stop selling them until they're been checked and/ or rectified or will they be allowed to sell them with the 'no drive' instruction in place provided buyers are happy with that?

What has it cost you in 50 days ? What would £20 per day buy you ? A bike ? How about something that is worth a lot more to you than it costs them ? A number of free services ??

Quite. Frankly £20 a day is derisory.

Depends what you think being off the road for 50 days has actually “cost “ you and what is reasonable to expect ? For instance if financed and interest has cost you say £822 over that period ( assumed £75k loan at say 8% ) it’s a start. If no finance then assume opportunity cost lost instead also at 8%. You could also add prorata Insurance cost ? That probably gets you to around the £1,000 in total.

ChrisW. said: alscar said: Depends what you think being off the road for 50 days has actually “cost “ you and what is reasonable to expect ? For instance if financed and interest has cost you say £822 over that period ( assumed £75k loan at say 8% ) it’s a start. If no finance then assume opportunity cost lost instead also at 8%. You could also add prorata Insurance cost ? That probably gets you to around the £1,000 in total. Well your rate of interest is less than Porsche' APR, you haven't included depreciation (£1000+ ?), in exchange for lack of use the amount borrowed should be the value of the car rather than expecting the freebie of the owners capital (£1500+?), insurance could have been £300+, ... so I think you are easily at £3000. Hence I suggested that OPC's could give value ... a cost less to them and a value much more to the customer. Plus other costs ... RFL, 1/12th of a service etc. This is not rocket science ... My numbers were purely as an example. It would be silly to try and include depreciation. It’s not like Porsche haven’t sorted what is effectively a recall. I also have ignored the worth of any loan car. Absolutely don’t disagree with your suggestion but the “compensation “ amount total will also depend on the individuals ability to negotiate and their “ worth “ to the dealer.

Apologies if I came across as being sharp ... everybody will have their own value and therefore view, ... it's the OPC's that I can't understand. What is their margin on good service / servicing / earlier access to a new car if available ... etc ? £1000 for 50 days potential use of a Porsche less costs is ... in my view incompetent. There is so much that is good about Porsche cars ... surely the OPC's can do better. Edited by ChrisW. on Thursday 30th January 10:11

Just send this to your dealer, and ask them how they got to £20 per day. Forget depreciation and all that other nonsense, the figure below is how much they value the car at per day.

Most recalls do not result in a stop drive though which is the crux here and differentiates the rate of compensation payable. Depreciation is entirely relevant and as such Porsche paid a fair monthly rate to 991 GT3 owners for the period off road when our cars could not be used following the stop drive order.

alscar said: Depends what you think being off the road for 50 days has actually “cost “ you and what is reasonable to expect ? For instance if financed and interest has cost you say £822 over that period ( assumed £75k loan at say 8% ) it’s a start. If no finance then assume opportunity cost lost instead also at 8%. You could also add prorata Insurance cost ? That probably gets you to around the £1,000 in total. did you accept the £1000 ?

Roger Gerbil said: I have been offered £1000 for 50 days off the road . Thoughts? did you have a hire car?

ChrisW. said: Apologies if I came across as being sharp ... everybody will have their own value and therefore view, ... it's the OPC's that I can't understand. What is their margin on good service / servicing / earlier access to a new car if available ... etc ? £1000 for 50 days potential use of a Porsche less costs is ... in my view incompetent. There is so much that is good about Porsche cars ... surely the OPC's can do better. Edited by ChrisW. on Thursday 30th January 10:11 Absolutely no need to apologise. OPC’s have for many years “ not needed “ to do better so when events like this happen it’s alien to them in terms of customer care.

av185 said: Most recalls do not result in a stop drive though which is the crux here and differentiates the rate of compensation payable. Depreciation is entirely relevant and as such Porsche paid a fair monthly rate to 991 GT3 owners for the period off road when our cars could not be used following the stop drive order. Different circumstances though. Ultimately it would be hard to say on the CL recall that your car fixed today is worth any different to what is was always going to be worth.

samnic1085 said: I have no skin in the game but given the same circumstances would be inclined to do so providing the number was at or close to what my previous suggestion gives as a real world answer using real numbers. Chris is probably correct that my numbers are on the light side so maybe £1,500 might be closer in pure cash terms. Negotiation is all about both sides ending up happy.

alscar said: av185 said: Most recalls do not result in a stop drive though which is the crux here and differentiates the rate of compensation payable. Depreciation is entirely relevant and as such Porsche paid a fair monthly rate to 991 GT3 owners for the period off road when our cars could not be used following the stop drive order. Different circumstances though. Ultimately it would be hard to say on the CL recall that your car fixed today is worth any different to what is was always going to be worth. No thats not the point of the compensation and neither was it the point in the case of the 991 GT3 engine issues compensation. The monthly compensation amount would include an element covering natural depreciation which is what we are concerned with here and nothing to do with any depreciation caused by this specific issue long term. It also should include finance cost/opportunity cost of capital and a 'disturbance' element to compensate for loss of use depending on the period off road which may be partly reimbursed by whether a loaner/quality of loaner being provided by the OPC.

samnic1085 said: did you have a hire car? No hire car, elected to save them money. Car is not financed either.

So the OPC wants to value your money (after tax) at less than they would value their money (before tax) ... Might they offer any incentives for you to make it easy for them ? Or is this a big company challenge in the sense of "what are you going to (can you) do about it ?" I guess this is why Americans are so quick to run to Class Actions ... but it's guaranteed to sour a relationship having to fight.

ChrisW. said: So the OPC wants to value your money (after tax) at less than they would value their money (before tax) ... Might they offer any incentives for you to make it easy for them ? Or is this a big company challenge in the sense of "what are you going to (can you) do about it ?" I guess this is why Americans are so quick to run to Class Actions ... but it's guaranteed to sour a relationship having to fight. Although Porsche didn't 'blacklist' us following our UK class action they backed down and coughed up ££ because they literally had no choice.

Well, if eggs need to be broken ....

Personally don't understand why people think they are entitled to that.

TDT said: Personally don't understand why people think they are entitled to that. Because so many raised to be entitled ?

alscar said: Depends what you think being off the road for 50 days has actually “cost “ you and what is reasonable to expect ? For instance if financed and interest has cost you say £822 over that period ( assumed £75k loan at say 8% ) it’s a start. If no finance then assume opportunity cost lost instead also at 8%. You could also add prorata Insurance cost ? That probably gets you to around the £1,000 in total. Well your rate of interest is less than Porsche' APR, you haven't included depreciation (£1000+ ?), in exchange for lack of use the amount borrowed should be the value of the car rather than expecting the freebie of the owners capital (£1500+?), insurance could have been £300+, ... so I think you are easily at £3000. Hence I suggested that OPC's could give value ... a cost less to them and a value much more to the customer. Plus other costs ... RFL, 1/12th of a service, a portion of the warranty value, etc. This is not rocket science ... Edited by ChrisW. on Friday 31st January 15:57

TDT said: Personally don't understand why people think they are entitled to that. I agree that is probably excessive depending upon the circumstance, in the same way that I think that benefits with the OPC are worth more than money, but £1000 compared to the likely £3000 value of two months off the road is just not fair to my Yorkshire values. In fact, I think it's taking the p*ss and potentially breeds recourse to more serious actions ... ?? Not everybody "doesn't use their cars" at this time of year ... it is an unreasonable expectation even if it may be an amelioration for some ... Edited by ChrisW. on Friday 31st January 16:07

I was chatting to my pal today who was affected by the recall, his car was off the road for 86 days in total, he had the hire car and got £3k compensation.

If it helps my car was off the road for just over two months and I received 3.5k. No loan car and no finance. For what it’s worth I was happy with that first offer and didn’t haggle.

So their offers are completely random it seems and inconsistent . Messaged you directly GT3Nut

TDT said: Personally don't understand why people think they are entitled to that. Not comparable anyway since in the US OEMs can, and often do sell cars for more than their MSRP so perhaps the owner has had to pay 'overs' to even get it.

Accepted £1500 in the end

I've yet to see any benefit of centre locks. I have a 911 with regular wheels - were I to ever upgrade I would try to actively avoid centre locks.

I agree, centre lock wheels don't appear to be materially lighter than five lug wheels ... as mentioned, even McLaren use five lug even where carbon brakes are standard on the model ...

They were a pain on the 997 GTS.

NDA said: I've yet to see any benefit of centre locks. That's because for road cars, there are no functional benefits and only downsides. It's pure cargo culting of race cars where there's a use case for being able to very quickly change your wheels during a race. And as far as I know, the centrelocks on Cup cars are different from the road cars. There's one aesthetic benefit - they look cool and create an association with race cars, that's about it.

But only for professional race teams in competition racing.

c3m said: That's because for road cars, there are no functional benefits and only downsides. It's pure cargo culting of race cars where there's a use case for being able to very quickly change your wheels during a race. And as far as I know, the centrelocks on Cup cars are different from the road cars. There's one aesthetic benefit - they look cool and create an association with race cars, that's about it. Had "normal" wheels for the last 3 911's so I fancied a change as they looked nice. Plus easier to get the hand in to wash them that's all. They're just auto jewellery really aren't they

MDH997 said: They're just auto jewellery really aren't they Perfect description

My RS has been fixed today.

_Superleggera_ said: My RS has been fixed today. Was it turned around in a day?

They literally just come to your location and jack the car up and swap out the nuts. Should take them 40mins max inc cup of tea.

FFS....they are arranging a low loader to take to OPC ?!

Mine was off the road for 2 and 1/2 months. Did have a good loan car (Turbo Cab). Just been offered £1,250 from OPC. Fair?

v12 said: Mine was off the road for 2 and 1/2 months. Did have a good loan car (Turbo Cab). Just been offered £1,250 from OPC. Fair? Given you had a nice loan car and fair probably - in line with the £500 a month with loan car or £1000 a month no loan car!

Roger Gerbil said: Given you had a nice loan car and fair probably - in line with the £500 a month with loan car or £1000 a month no loan car! Thanks Roger

Is everyone happy with their outcome in terms of goodwill? £1000 per month with hire car seems to be the pre-authorised offer on the table.

I’m happy with the deal, but after agreeing it 2 months ago, I’m still waiting to be paid. Promises, promises but my OPC are dragging their heels.. grrrrrr

I got 2200 after chasing up with more emails. Didnt bother negotiating, since that'd drag the whole thing another month i bet. Had an enterprise rental for a few weeks and was then swapped to a base 992 for the rest of the time. Around 3 months in total car was out of action. Glad to be back in the car! OPC handling was good when they were handling the situation, but just generally slow with comms all the time and I had to push to get the loaners / compensation etc. The actual changing of the wheel nut was just 20 mins!

s2000db said: I’m happy with the deal, but after agreeing it 2 months ago, I’m still waiting to be paid. Promises, promises but my OPC are dragging their heels.. grrrrrr if you,re buying a car they,re on it, nothing a problem...after that they are absolutely hopeless...you,re not a customer, you,re a problem

TBH I think the overall package should look beyond £ (which, let’s face it, most owners don’t need). Think servicing, Porsche experience days, merch etc

I thought that too. They could have used it as an opportunity to build brand loyalty. Next service free, £5k off next deposit etc.

Yes, l got the next service free, but was my suggestion not theirs.. doh!

Got an email today out of the blue offering a hotel voucher, which was nice!

SJMW said: Got an email today out of the blue offering a hotel voucher, which was nice! Same here..

So now Porsche hotel vouchers will appear on eBay !

Has anyone got their voucher yet??

Still waiting here. Been 2 weeks + since the email.

GT3ZZZ said: Still waiting here. Been 2 weeks + since the email. Yup same here lol

still waiting here as well. Been over a month.

I’ve just sent them an email, suggest you do the same..

Voucher arrived this morning. In a fancy box and delivered by Fedex!

Same here. Nice marketing for Pride of Britain hotels too and an appreciated gesture

Still waiting after they told me Friday, lol.

Just booked in at the Angel in Abergavenny with the voucher. Really easy, no credit card required. Pays for food too. Works like a prepaid card so can check your balance remaining on their site.

GT3ZZZ said: Just booked in at the Angel in Abergavenny with the voucher. Really easy, no credit card required. Pays for food too. Works like a prepaid card so can check your balance remaining on their site. They do a good steak there