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(Do you think even 2% of refrigerator owners replace the air filter and the water filter in them?).
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She also has done the majority of oil changes between us
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Though these are usually the people that change oil every 15k.
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Yes, the entry price is now attractive (and there is a guy on Jalopnik who keeps making the articles about those cars being "bargains"), but the maintenance and parts prices will quickly ensure that those cars end up with deferred maintenance and in disrepair; $25k honda accord will have a vastly different running costs from $25k aged German super-car; most people fail to realize this.
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Yes, the entry price is now attractive (and there is a guy on Jalopnik who keeps making the articles about those cars being "bargains"), but the maintenance and parts prices will quickly ensure that those cars end up with deferred maintenance and in disrepair; $25k honda accord will have a vastly different running costs from $25k aged German super-car; most people fail to realize this.
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Wishing a Merry Christmas to all! Hope everyone is enjoying time with family and their vehicles
Enjoying nice weather here in Chicago, was 60 degrees yesterday!
I recently was going to purchase a e36 BMW M3 to add to my stable from a buddy but decided it wasn't for me. No maintenance records and a Christmas tree display on the instrument cluster!! On my way home, I realized how much I appreciate Porsche as a brand and how they have been an influence in my life. After I was born, I was riding home in my dads 86 944 and have helped him work on all his Porsche's once I got older.
However, the main reason I am writing this is to express my dissapointment when a Porsche falls into the hands of a non enthusiast or a boy racer. Unfortunately, I have to use BMW as an example lol, as 95% of e36 cars I see in my area are abused. While many of you are enthusiasts and dilligent in taking care of your vehicles, I find it disheartening to see so many vehicles neglected these days. Whether it be stickers/vinyl graphics all over cars, ragged out interiors, etc, I have to ask myself what the person is thinking!
When I see a teenager in a older pimped out Boxster with rips in the top and a fart can, it makes me sick. Do these people buy vehicles as a status symbol???
Even though my favorite makes are Porsche and BMW, there are so many people out there that simply do not deserve to have these cars. This may get some heat but I think Porsche owners care for their vehicles far more than BMW owners. Obviously some of you on here own a Bimmer, so you're exempt!
That's my Christmas Eve Rant! Time to cook now
First of all, you have to remember that most Americans treat their cars exactly like they do their appliances. (Do you think even 2% of refrigerator owners replace the air filter and the water filter in them?).
I remember reading an article in Car and Driver many years ago in which the editor was remarking on how even a famous NASCAR driver never maintained his own (I think) Monte Carlo. The comment was the driver only started to pay attention at about 30,000 miles when the "oil light took a long time to go out in the morning".
Some of us have seen what people do to their bodies. Not at all surprised what some do to their cars.
P.S. who am I to judge what/how people spend their money?
My theory is that these are a little more expensive to get into and either (at least with a 911) you're getting something aircooled and worth a lot or watercooled where the engine is worth a lot. Either way it's in our best interest as owners to keep them up, since if we didn't and the engine went out (due to our own fault) the resale value would be only as a roller.
That said I really don't care what others do with their money.
The world is full of different people. They probably wonder why you spend so much time taking care of your cars while they're outdoing something like mountain climbing, chasing women or gardening. don't let it bug you - nothing you can do about it anyway. The longer I've lived the more I've realized that I'm the only one who sees things my way... and the world is a better place because of it.
anyone who can afford one deserves it. Its a car, a mass produced one no less, who cares if some teenager does what they like to it.
its just a silly car, no need to get emotional about it.
Love reading the responses
I guess it's whatever makes people happy!
Though these are usually the people that change oil every 15k. I guess I was just taught to take care of my things. And here I am washing my cars in December with optimum no rinse and applying gummi phlege to the weatherstripping lol
Well, I suppose......but a well turned out P-car or other 'enthusiast' marque I've always maintained is a form of philanthropy; as so few things are done well, it brings comfort and satisfaction to the hoi polloi. At least, it should!
This guy (and many like him) do not deserve their bodies...because of what they have chosen to do to their own bodies. Heck, they do not deserve to be alive. Free will. Freedom of choice. Do not judge a book by its cover.
Happy Holidays all.
Meh. I paid the money for it to have for myself (958 anyway, the 996 is her business). I'll take care of it or not as I see fit and it's no one else's business other than my wife.
If you aren't looking to buy a given car, what's it matter how the owner treats/modifies it? If you are buying, simply make an appropriate offer or move on to the next.
Life's too short to get bent out of shape about things that you can neither control nor that have any real bearing on your life.
Well said sir. Still don't know how all of you have wives that love Porsche's. Those are a rare breed to find. Did they appreciate fine automobiles while you were dating or did you pass the obsession to them?
Actually it was the other way around. She grew up with the 911 as her dream car and I was lucky enough to be able to let her order one, though getting married was a condition
Until I came across my XK8 about the same time cars were just transportation to me.
She also has done the majority of oil changes between us
It's funny, while my 996 is my DD, I admittedly obsess over keeping it pristine, but that is always how I've been with every vehicle I've owned.
Having said that, there is a certain charm in an old weathered speedster that's clapped out not because it was unloved, but because someone drove the wheels off it for years. I love those cars too.
Also, those apparently unloved 996's, boxsters, etc, can become real bargains for someone else down the road, or parts donor to one of us. It's all good.
Here's one of those "old" "ratty" Porsches. This was Janis Joplin's 356 Cabriolet. It sold for $1.76 million!
http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/new...icle-1.2462733
Costs associated with being an "enthusiast" will only keep going up, so more and more cars will end up looking neglected. Society has changed and there are a lot less car MEN in my generation (millennials), and products have become much more complicated and disposable at the same time.
Your older air-cooled Porsche, or older muscle car is very simple and mechanical. Anyone with a decent set of tools can take it apart and put it back together. A modern high performance car is not DIY friendly and requires specialized diagnostic tools and hundreds of sensors/computers to keep it going. Those sensors and computers cost a lot of money and they make it virtually impossible for the modern day car guy to maintain his car himself.
In my view there used to be a solid secondary market for older "fun" cars up until early 2000s, at that point cars became just too complicated and became too expensive for the normal person to own and maintain. E46 M3, E60 M5, 997, E55, E63, S63, S4, RS6, S8 and likes are all prohibitively expensive to own for 95% of the population. Yes, the entry price is now attractive (and there is a guy on Jalopnik who keeps making the articles about those cars being "bargains"), but the maintenance and parts prices will quickly ensure that those cars end up with deferred maintenance and in disrepair; $25k honda accord will have a vastly different running costs from $25k aged German super-car; most people fail to realize this. An average guy buys himself the E60 M5 for $25k from the used car dealer, finances $20k for 5 years, has about $450/500 monthly payment. His transmission pump goes :$2,000.00, next month CEL pops for Vanos issues $2,500. In a few months the car needs new tires $1,200. Do you think he would be able to afford it?
^ Kalash - You're looking at it all wrong. You buy car from friend. Get very good price. You drive car. If after a few months the car breaks, no problem. You return car and get your money back. Very simple.
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Yoav
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