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YOUR RESEARCH99 Aero Rebuilt Engine, Should I Sell?
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I'll start calling my car a "996 with some aero pieces and a static rear wing", but it's definitely not an aero because an American at the Porsche dealer (and not a Turkish factory worker in Germany) installed the GT3-look pieces.
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The engine was replaced at 133,000 miles (right before I got it) with a used engine.
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The IMS bearing was replaced in the donor engine at that time and it had a new clutch, belts, etc when the donor engine was put in it (about 15,000 miles and 2 years before I sold it).
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It's just a (totally amazing) used car, not an investment that is going to appreciate.
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I'll start calling my car a "996 with some aero pieces and a static rear wing", but it's definitely not an aero because an American at the Porsche dealer (and not a Turkish factory worker in Germany) installed the GT3-look pieces.
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The IMS bearing was replaced in the donor engine at that time and it had a new clutch, belts, etc when the donor engine was put in it (about 15,000 miles and 2 years before I sold it).
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Well this more or less stinks. My 99 Aero suffered a cracked cylinder this spring. After going through all the available options/scenarios, I decided to keep her as my "forever" car/dd. After doing a ton of research and talking to satisfied customers, I had Jason at 9XX Motors rebuild it, punching it out to 3.6 and upping the compression for a bit more power. He did an exceptional job. I've put about 3k since the rebuild and the car is transformed. It has tons of power & torque and it's just awesome.
Unfortunately (fortunately?), in the interim I also was transferred from Miami to Alameda, CA. My commute went from 25mi to 1.5mi on a bicycle. Our house now only has one garage and an equally as awesome 76 BMW 2002 that I've had for over a decade has taken that spot. So now I'm faced with a dilemma. Financially I don't have to sell the 996, but frankly it just isn't getting driven. The Mrs has her own steed and I won't subject the 996 to the occasional 1.5mi drive. Though there are the weekends to play, in the end the classic hasmy attention now (I was too scared to drive it in So Florida). If I can recoup even half of what I spent this summer on the engine build, that would go to a pretty decent paint job for the BMW. Ultimately the BMW has my heart and is truly the car I could never sell.
What is the market now for 99 Aero with 88k miles and a new motor? Has it taken such a dive that I'm truly hosed? To be clear, this isn't a veiled FS ad, I'm actually curious what others have seen in the market recently and what they'd do in my shoes.
Pics and option codes:
L92U / AY
XAA GT3-look aerokit
X47 Carbon Gear Lever
X54 Stainless Tail Pipes
X58 Carbon Handbrake Lever
X71 Aluminum Instrument Dials
236 ?
288 Headlamp Washers
413 18" Hollow Spoke Turbo-Look Wheels
424 CD Compartment
436 3 Spoke Steering Wheel
446 Colored Wheel Caps
490 Hi-Fi Sound System
601 Litronic Headlights
696 CDR-220 Radio
939 Supple Leather Rear Seats
982 Supple Leather Front Seats
09981 ?
09991 Exclusive Program
Well, I sold mine in March 2015 for $15,750. It had 148,000 miles on the odometer, but the engine only had about 75,000 miles on it. It was a black on black 1999 C4 Coupe, 6 speed, with the same factory aero kit with taco wing. It was in very good shape, but certainly not perfect. The engine was replaced at 133,000 miles (right before I got it) with a used engine. The IMS bearing was replaced in the donor engine at that time and it had a new clutch, belts, etc when the donor engine was put in it (about 15,000 miles and 2 years before I sold it).
Not sure on the mileage of yours, but my assumption is that yours would be less miles and a fresh rebuild, so worth more. Even low miles, I wouldn't think any '99 aero would bring more than $23,000 or so. So, that gives you a range of $15,750 to $23,000, depending on your miles.
KC, Thanks for the recent perspective. It has 88k miles on it (85k when the motor was rebuilt). Overall it's in good condition, but still a driver (small curb rash, chin spoiler scratches etc). I just kills me to have dropped so much on the rebuild only to turn it over this quickly.
OK, so decent mileage. If you want to sell it, I'm thinking ask $19,950 for a sale price of $18,500 to $19,000. If you just want to try to convince the wife you are selling it, then ask $23,000.
BTW, Gator996 just announced that he's going to be selling his '99 Aero coupe, 6 speed, guards red. I think around the same mileage. So, you might want to send him a PM to discuss pricing also.
Lastly, it's still a buyer's market for another month or so. Prices will start to rise after the new year and will peak around March, April & May in the spring car buying frenzy. Might be worth holding onto until March.
Sell the 2002, it's a square light and has all the crap emmissions controls on it since it's a '76.
If going for top dollar, expect to ride it out until you find that special buyer looking for a rebuilt 3.6L stroked motor.
You should really advertise Jason's portfolio as some aren't as knowledgeable about him and he's one that doesn't really like to toot his own horn. That should also help the sale IMO.
I bought my '01 996 aero in Sept. 2015 for $15,500 plus tax & tags. 69k miles and it's a Tip. Pretty much mint inside and out. Armrest storage is loose but I already bought the $40 retrofit kit. It's XAE not XAA, but has the GT3 front and side in seal grey.
I say go for $23K. 88,000 miles on a 16 soon to be 17 year old car is nothing. With a new motor you should be in good shape. There will some that can't get past the "rebuilt" motor and allllll those miles. If you get one those guys tell him good bye. I went thru this when selling my 99 aerokit. Good luck with the sale if you chose to.
ps....JimmyCooCooCaChu. You are using the word aero fairly loosely. XAA is an aero and nothing else. Sorry for being blunt.
i'd have to disagree with a market value of $23K - maybe you can find an RL member who will pay that but a 1999 narrow body w/88K on car, even with rebuilt motor and approaching 100K miles IMHO won't get more than $19-$20K tops.
all of us RL members realize the advantage of rebuilt engine but you are talking an early car with not so enticing headlights and the C4S which is much more desirable with wide stance, better performance and much better looking is in the $24-$27K market range.
all you can do is list it and see if someone bites at $23K - not so hard to do.
Dealer installed, so what?? Looks like an Aero to me. And I prefer my fixed factory wing to that boy-racer taco wing any day.
And I too don't mean to "be blunt", but getting elitist about a used 17 year car that costs less than a Civic comes off like a real d1ck. At least to me. Sorry for "being blunt."
I'm sure you have a very nice car. My point was don't call it what it isn't. A factory Aerokit has a aero front bumper, side skirts and wing respective to a MK1 or MK2. You have aero parts and your car looks great but it is not an aero without the wing.
I think the motor is the question mark. I've seen the 9XX name before, but it's an unknown to me.
If you take the motor out of it, I'd say 15-20 is about right and I'd lean towards the higher levels (maybe 18 or so?). I'm biased to .1 Aeros though
If the 9XX is reputable for M96 builds and it's well documented then the motor could bring it into the 20-25 range. Only 3k since the rebuild is a red flag though as some could read that as the new motor have issues that you don't want to deal with.
As others have said, if you can wait for the right buyer at the right time of year then I think you can get a good price. If you rush it, you'll be giving it away.
That was directed at Groovy, not you
Not sure troll, but okay, I'll bite.
What is the proper elitist term for the kit I have? What should I call it if not a 996 aero?? Remember, I never called it a factory aero.
Aren't we getting a little tight in the knickers over this? Troll? Really? Your car looks great. Seal Grey is my favorite color as you can see.
What to call you car? I'd call it a 996 with some aero pieces but it ain't no kit. If you had a 996 with some 40th AE pieces would you call it a 40th AE? Probably not. For that same reason you can't legitimately call your car an aero.
Here is a link to all the codes.
https://www.stuttcars.com/technical/option-codes/996/
I don't see the XAE code but do see the XAG code that calls it a "static rear spoiler". So I'll change what I'll call your car....it is a 996 with some aero pieces and a static rear spoiler. Enjoy your car.
For those of you that don't know Jason at 9XX since he doesn't advertise himself like JR, one of his stints is working as an engineer/engine builder for a company Porsche partnered closely with over the years. He rebuilds quite a few race motors for various racing series. This in itself is why I don't think he advertises himself as he's getting plenty of business from the racing crowd to keep him overwhelmed.
If I lived on the west coast and needed engine work, Jason would be the man.
Sneaky Pete, I stand corrected. I'll start calling my car a "996 with some aero pieces and a static rear wing", but it's definitely not an aero because an American at the Porsche dealer (and not a Turkish factory worker in Germany) installed the GT3-look pieces.
Your 40AE is definitely a straw man argument though. That is a numbered special edition with a host of cosmetic and engine upgrades. A more proper analogy would be factory sport seats vs. eBay/dealer installed OEM sport seats. Someone like you (or a Troll) would come along and tell this owner that they don't have sport seats. Yeah, then what do they have?? Your answer would then be "you have OEM recaro seats that have additional side bolsters and carbon fiber backside", but you don't have Porsche sport seat option code XXX. The key ingredient is no Turkish dude in Germany ever touched your sport seats, hence you don't have sport seats.
It's all about the Turkish dude. Am I right!!
No. It's amazing you had asked what the XAE option was before and now you are a guru on Porsche options.
OP sorry to derail this. If you sell someone will get a very nice car.
Is it your opinion that the air flowing over an aftermarket aero kit is somehow cognizant of the diff? Does the air react differently around a factory aero as if it were -- impressed by the X codes on the inside? Does the unseen detraction of an aftermarket aero kit relieve one of the gravitas or dignity of driving an 'aero' equipped car?
I guess, there will always be oneupmanship in the world, even between one stamped piece of plastic over some other stamped piece of plastic. sniff-sniff
If you like your 996, you can keep your 996. Plenty of them out there sitting and getting no miles put on except weekends. I see so many 99-02 cars with 30-60k miles it drives me bonkers thinking of all the fine machinery sitting in a garage, or under a bubble just waiting for an eager shifter to come along and put it through it's paces. Find a way to garage it locally, or ask someone nearby for a space and hang on to your sweetie.
If you do decide to go through - I'm with the rest of the crowd in the $16-19k market. Sadly, having a fresh motor in the car doesn't give it much of a bump, but that's the reality. It should add about $5k or more to the base price of $16k, but the market really doesn't see it that way for some odd reason.
Too late. I already put both on my decklid. Next up are some label shields for the front fenders to 'prove' my race pedigree(on the 405 south at 6pm, of course).
Just off the top of my head, and sans the people who will balk at the motor work.
I'd go for $22,500 or even $23,500 - it's not "really" that "high" of miles yet, engine has been gone through and none of the pesky 996 issues will pop up for a while, it looks good, and should be a well sorted car without much need for maintance in the near future.
Unless a few grand doesn't mean much and you really want it gone soon, in that case I'd go $19,500 or something and move it on.
Dude, you are practically walking distance from where PCA-GGR holds their AX events. That alone should be reason enough to keep it!
IMHO, if you need/want the money, sell it for whatever you can get for it. It's just a (totally amazing) used car, not an investment that is going to appreciate.
When did I claim to be a Porsche guru??
But I do claim that it takes a real d1ck to be elitist about a 17 year old car that costs less than a Civic. And one where the m96/97 engine may implode if you look at it wrong sideways. But I've got better things to do than worry if you don't think my Porsche dealer installed GT3-look aero package meets your standards and doesn't have enough leftover Turkish DNA strands in it for you.
But I get it already,
"No Aero For You!!!!"
Jim....I'm not being elitist and don't own a Civic nor do I know Hungarian nor am I a ****. I don't give a ratz *** what car you have but I can tell what you don't have. What are you 12? Now go fvck off. Peace out.
Hmmm.
Fvck off. Peace out.
I believe we have witnessed the ultimate oxymoron. (no pun intended)
Topping the ever-popular; jumbo-shrimp, military intelligence, genuine vinyl, and airline food.
Holy smokes, who knew this what this was going to turn into!
In the end, I do believe that a 99 Aero is desirable for a number of reasons, most notably the lighter weight/cable throttle. Having said that I appreciate everyone's thoughts and recommendations, mainly to wait out the winter and then see where I'm at. Every time I get in the car I get a huge grin, so definitely not in any rush to sell. In the end, we'll see what the funds look like for the 2002 restoration and probably go from there.
Thanks again for the advice!
Gator: Yes, USCG Active. Just traded in my FRC for a desk in PAC. I'm surviving...barely =o)
This is really good to know. I'm in 9XX Motors' territory, so will definitely keep them in mind should 'something' happen. Not sure he would have shown up on my radar had you not tooted his horn for him.
No LSD? Whats up with the dash, is that a cover or is it flocked?
Also in CA and in the market for a 996. Specifically a '99 but really wanted one with a LSD and preferably not silver or black.
But if you are a motivated seller, I am trying to purchase one quickly. I have cash in hand. PM me, lets talk!
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