991.2 T Tuning - Page 3 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

Hi guys - I have a nice yellow stock T - but I need moar... The T is lovely but too civilised and not exciting enough - I need more noise, and more acceleration. Car is my daily - all year round - mainly b roads, to and from work. will do a bit of touring also - going for NC500 next month. Not really looking at tracking it much if at all, just want a 'special' road car to make every day exciting! So I'm thinking about tuning or changing it. I had a test drive in the Litchfield T that's for sale at RPM and tbh it wasn't that much better than stock, sounded similar and was lacking the top end rush I'm looking for. I test drove a 992 GTS and that had much better top end power - but too big and I don't like the interior on 992. So options are - tune my car - GTS or better turbos and supporting mods £5k - £30k depending on how much tuning. can obviously do it a bit at a time (but lose the Porsche warranty) Swap to a GT4 - similar money to my car - more raw, sounds better, but lose the 911 kudos. Swap to a 991.2 Turbo S +20-40k faster, 4wd good for winter, still sounds a bit tame Swap to a 991.2 GT 3 + 50-70k raw, sounds great but expensive and might be wasted on my daily commute. Keep changing my mind as to what i want to do so just looking for opinions, suggestions, recommendations etc...

I feel like switching to a Turbo/Turbo S and maybe getting a louder exhaust might be the best move. It will be heavier though and 4wd, so test drive might be required before deciding....

or maybe look at something like a McLaren 570 (given you are considering a GT4, I assume you don't need rear seats)? I have not driven one, but people seem to be pretty happy with them.

Buy a 981 Gt4 get it tuned to circa 450 hp, don’t bother with a 718 you will never get it to sound great and it’s not as raw as a 981 anyway. Bonus is they are pre GPF! Had a 992.1 Gts for a couple hours a few years and I must say it left me cold, sound wasn’t great either and it lacked in fizz, could have been driving an Audi lol! Edited by GT4P on Sunday 27th April 18:25

You must have some pretty good B roads if 500+bhp/480lb/ft through the rear wheels isn’t enough to find a bit of fun.

year 981 GT4 is an option - was thinking 718 for the 4.0 doesn't sound as good as the 981 but more modern, looks nicer and still sounds better than the turbo 3.0 - cheapest option also I guess. Need to test drive a 991.2 turbo - I drove a 992 Turbo s at PEC and that was mega but probably too fast and 992 is too big for my commute. The 992 gts 1 drove was 4wd and handling was lovely. McLaren would be epic but i think maintenance, reliability etc probably makes it a no for now

Grantstown said: You must have some pretty good B roads if 500+bhp/480lb/ft through the rear wheels isn’t enough to find a bit of fun. got a couple of open smooth straights and just looking for that sparkle/thrill/shove as well as more interaction in the slow stuff. The turbo motor is great but coming out of a couple of tuned/exhaust 987 3.4 boxsters the T is just too civilised.

718 GT4 PDK is a very quick and fun car that feels special but can be used regularly. Definitely suggest you try one

if you want something that feels more alive and sounds good, what about a 997 GT3. I used my RS quite a lot for daily duties and it was fine imo (well I would get one with aircon if I bought another one as my dog and I did not enjoy summer driving in it) Edit: like this one - still a 911 and not as expensive as the newer ones https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/17930328

First Sea Lord said: 718 GT4 PDK is a very quick and fun car that feels special but can be used regularly. Definitely suggest you try one trying to test drive 1 at my OPC Hatfield but they don't seem particularly helpful.

[quote=MDL111]if you want something that feels more alive and sounds good, what about a 997 GT3. I used my RS quite a lot for daily duties and it was fine imo (well I would get one with aircon if I bought another one as my dog and I did not enjoy summer driving in it) I think if i go gt3 i'd try stretch to 991.2 or at least 991.1 - I never loved the 997 shape and having had the 987 boxsters for 8yrs combined I'm bored of that gem interior. Love the look of 991.2 and the interior.

991T]DL111 said: if you want something that feels more alive and sounds good, what about a 997 GT3. I used my RS quite a lot for daily duties and it was fine imo (well I would get one with aircon if I bought another one as my dog and I did not enjoy summer driving in it) I think if i go gt3 i'd try stretch to 991.2 or at least 991.1 - I never loved the 997 shape and having had the 987 boxsters for 8yrs combined I'm bored of that gem interior. Love the look of 991.2 and the interior. fair enough - guess 991 it will have to be then

991T said: got a couple of open smooth straights and just looking for that sparkle/thrill/shove as well as more interaction in the slow stuff. The turbo motor is great but coming out of a couple of tuned/exhaust 987 3.4 boxsters the T is just too civilised. Open top adds something. You can also tune the hell out of a Boxster 2.5T GTS. It won’t have the sound of a 981 GTS though (which can be even more awesome with a lightweight flywheel, shortened final drive, exhaust and map).

RSTurboPaul said: If you are missing some thrills and interaction and need bonkers power to resolve the issue, it sounds like you need to go vintage 911 with some power mods to make every drive a 'will I die today?' experience that is a lot more memorable I thought about proposing a 996 or 997 GT2 as a halfway house.

If you are missing some thrills and interaction and need bonkers power to resolve the issue, it sounds like you need to go vintage 911 with some power mods to make every drive a 'will I die today?' experience that is a lot more memorable EDIT: Either that or go for an MX5 with a 300bhp engine in the format of your choice - turbo, supercharged, V6... I believe there are even options to get to 500bhp+ in one of the Japanese V6 options by bolting a massive turbo onto it. I've had a ride in a 300bhp MX5 with no safety equipment - boring it was not Edited by RSTurboPaul on Sunday 27th April 20:25

MDL111 said: I thought about proposing a 996 or 997 GT2 as a halfway house. Aren't they all crazy money now? Although I am aware that even base 911s seem to end up at 100k these days, so perhaps the GT2s are not that much more?!

MDL111 said: I thought about proposing a 996 or 997 GT2 as a halfway house. Great point. If one of those doesn’t excite you then someone needs to check your pulse!

"More noise, more acceleration, use as a daily all year round...without McLaren maintenance/reliability..." Take a drive of an Audi R8 v10 plus (or regular v10). I have one, as well as a 992 Turbo S Cab, and they are quite different cars. I suspect it will provide what is missing.

Hedgeman said: "More noise, more acceleration, use as a daily all year round...without McLaren maintenance/reliability..." Take a drive of an Audi R8 v10 plus (or regular v10). I have one, as well as a 992 Turbo S Cab, and they are quite different cars. I suspect it will provide what is missing. Test drove a v10 gen2 coupe (not plus) before I got the T, it wasn't as good as i was hoping, I think a plus spider would probably be awesome but - no good to go touring in and too wide the my daily commute!

RSTurboPaul said: If you are missing some thrills and interaction and need bonkers power to resolve the issue, it sounds like you need to go vintage 911 with some power mods to make every drive a 'will I die today?' experience that is a lot more memorable EDIT: Either that or go for an MX5 with a 300bhp engine in the format of your choice - turbo, supercharged, V6... I believe there are even options to get to 500bhp+ in one of the Japanese V6 options by bolting a massive turbo onto it. I've had a ride in a 300bhp MX5 with no safety equipment - boring it was not Edited by RSTurboPaul on Sunday 27th April 20:25 I want to stay in something that looks special - has the kudos so I think Porsche is probably the way to go for me. I think coming originally from super bikes I'm missing the visceral rush of a 180bhp 180kg machine. I think it's just Sunday dreaming, window shopping, chit chat. I did think about a GT4RS - think that might be as close to a suoerbike experience for 'sensible' money that there is. Still £130k + though and might be too extreme... If only I had the room, and money for 2 cars and a bike...

Grantstown said: Open top adds something. You can also tune the hell out of a Boxster 2.5T GTS. It won’t have the sound of a 981 GTS though (which can be even more awesome with a lightweight flywheel, shortened final drive, exhaust and map). yep 981 GTS Boxster or 718 GTS boxster also on the possible list... also drove a 718 PDK Cayman GTS 4.0 at PECb - also brilliant!

991.1 GTS? Tech will be a step back but it will sound great.

JackReacher said: 991.1 GTS? Tech will be a step back but it will sound great. maybe an option

991T said: First Sea Lord said: 718 GT4 PDK is a very quick and fun car that feels special but can be used regularly. Definitely suggest you try one trying to test drive 1 at my OPC Hatfield but they don't seem particularly helpful. Maybe try a Spyder as well - as 718 Spyder is the same car but soft top, and as said elsewhere here - having an open roof enhances the whole experience. Have fun deciding

992 turbo s and then it's just done, you won't ever want/need any more power imo

WCZ said: 992 turbo s and then it's just done, you won't ever want/need any more power imo I did think about it - Gerntian Blue on the 992 looks fantastic in the sun. But 992 is too big for me on my commute - even the 991 is a little large 987 boxster was perfect size hence considering a 718 GT4 or GTS. Would love a 992 Turbo S but not right for me at the moment. Anyone on here actually tuned a carerra base/s/gts?

991T said: I did think about it - Gerntian Blue on the 992 looks fantastic in the sun. But 992 is too big for me on my commute - even the 991 is a little large 987 boxster was perfect size hence considering a 718 GT4 or GTS. 987/718 Boxsters are 1801mm wide, 991.2 (assuming rwd) is 1808mm. The 911 may look to be a bigger car, but it is only 3.5mm wider each side, which would be impossible to detect.

991T said: I did think about it - Gerntian Blue on the 992 looks fantastic in the sun. But 992 is too big for me on my commute - even the 991 is a little large 987 boxster was perfect size hence considering a 718 GT4 or GTS. Would love a 992 Turbo S but not right for me at the moment. Anyone on here actually tuned a carerra base/s/gts? After 3 years I tuned my 991.2 base at Litchfield. With an Akrapovic it jumped to 506bhp/480lbft. This was suddenly quite lively, so I added a Wavetrack LSD and now with the 305 tyres the rear grip is strong. Power still needs to be metered out on corner exit (on the public road). I also upgraded to GTS brakes and the GT3 master cylinder. A PEC instructor wanted to buy it from me after having a go. I considered coilovers etc, but as a road car in the UK the roads are just too bad. I could afford to go and buy the equivalent year GT3, but I don’t think I can afford to use it as a regular track day car with the added expenses, so not worth it for me. The want is there, but not as much as it used to be.

Why not 991.1 Turbo S. it’s a great car and steers well. All the trick suspension, rear wheel steer, 560bhp/750N , AWD to help you out in the wet when things goes a bit wrong, etc makes a compelling well sorted package. I have one (and a GT4) and I’m considering selling the 4 as the TS does 90% of the fun but 100% of the daily and I have an Elise for true fun weekend car.

Get a Caterham.

Guyr said: 987/718 Boxsters are 1801mm wide, 991.2 (assuming rwd) is 1808mm. The 911 may look to be a bigger car, but it is only 3.5mm wider each side, which would be impossible to detect. never kerbed the boxsters, kerbed the 911 after 3 months on the same road - it definitely moves around more and feels wider... or maybe I'm just getting old

Grantstown said: After 3 years I tuned my 991.2 base at Litchfield. With an Akrapovic it jumped to 506bhp/480lbft. This was suddenly quite lively, so I added a Wavetrack LSD and now with the 305 tyres the rear grip is strong. Power still needs to be metered out on corner exit (on the public road). I also upgraded to GTS brakes and the GT3 master cylinder. A PEC instructor wanted to buy it from me after having a go. I considered coilovers etc, but as a road car in the UK the roads are just too bad. I could afford to go and buy the equivalent year GT3, but I don’t think I can afford to use it as a regular track day car with the added expenses, so not worth it for me. The want is there, but not as much as it used to be. mine has a mechanical diff already and PCCB so probably just do the power upgrades if i go that route

Grantstown said: I considered coilovers etc, but as a road car in the UK the roads are just too bad. be. I’ve never understood comments like this. I’ve had tuned cars for 30 years now and lots of different aftermarket suspension setups from basic changes to full on subframe removals with coil over and all alignment arms rose jointed etc. The whole point of coil overs is you specify the spring rates and characteristics to match your requirements. I’ve even bought “comfy coil overs” for a pure road car with very forgiving spring and damper rates. You can enjoy great handling with a supple ride.

Ignore all these people punting their own cars and tune it! I had a 991.2 T manual and had it tuned by 9e, highly recommended. Stage 1 with just software made 530PS, then took the plunge for GTS turbos which made 620PS. About at the limit of the MT. With a Kline exhaust and it was perfect. Should have kept it but there's always something else around the corner.

Scottie - NW said: I’ve never understood comments like this. I’ve had tuned cars for 30 years now and lots of different aftermarket suspension setups from basic changes to full on subframe removals with coil over and all alignment arms rose jointed etc. The whole point of coil overs is you specify the spring rates and characteristics to match your requirements. I’ve even bought “comfy coil overs” for a pure road car with very forgiving spring and damper rates. You can enjoy great handling with a supple ride. I hear you. Perhaps I would have been better saying that the OEM set up works for me on the road.

991T said: mine has a mechanical diff already and PCCB so probably just do the power upgrades if i go that route You have PCCBs already so you have a no brainer situation going on.

GT3ZZZ said: Ignore all these people punting their own cars and tune it! I had a 991.2 T manual and had it tuned by 9e, highly recommended. Stage 1 with just software made 530PS, then took the plunge for GTS turbos which made 620PS. About at the limit of the MT. With a Kline exhaust and it was perfect. Should have kept it but there's always something else around the corner. Did you do full Kline - manifolds/cats/rear section?

based on this thread I did idly look at the stuff on the Litchfield webpage yesterday. looks like it could be an interesting package, not sure what German TÜV would think of it though.

What about this OP. 991.2 Carrera S Press car manual, with Litchfield handling and brand new GTS Turbos fitted, must be plenty of power options with those Turbos. Quite like the Bordeaux interior with the Inserts. https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2015-porsche-9...

MDL111 said: based on this thread I did idly look at the stuff on the Litchfield webpage yesterday. looks like it could be an interesting package, not sure what German TÜV would think of it though. yeah i think manifold, cats, maybe plenum and hard pipes. GTS turbos and a map would be good but i think i'd go JCR cat back - i heard the akra and it didn't sound much better than stock. would be interested to hear the kline system.

ive opened another thread for tuner recommendations - obviously 1 for 9e already!

991T said: Did you do full Kline - manifolds/cats/rear section? Yes, full Kline. Cats were sports 200 cell.

GT3ZZZ said: Yes, full Kline. Cats were sports 200 cell. Don't suppose you have any vids for sound/performance reference?

Grantstown said: After 3 years I tuned my 991.2 base at Litchfield. With an Akrapovic it jumped to 506bhp/480lbft. This was suddenly quite lively, so I added a Wavetrack LSD and now with the 305 tyres the rear grip is strong. Power still needs to be metered out on corner exit (on the public road). I also upgraded to GTS brakes and the GT3 master cylinder. A PEC instructor wanted to buy it from me after having a go. I considered coilovers etc, but as a road car in the UK the roads are just too bad. I could afford to go and buy the equivalent year GT3, but I don’t think I can afford to use it as a regular track day car with the added expenses, so not worth it for me. The want is there, but not as much as it used to be. I’d be interested to read more about the experience post the work done by Litchfield, have you got a write up somewhere?

GT3ZZZ said: Yes, full Kline. Cats were sports 200 cell. Don't suppose you have any vids for sound/performance reference?

KrisP said: I’d be interested to read more about the experience post the work done by Litchfield, have you got a write up somewhere? Hi Kris, I have discussed it in other forums, but haven’t done a formal write up as such. I’m happy to expand on any points you would be interested in. One of the first reviews would have been on ‘Seen through glass’ when he took his Carrera T to Litchfield motors.

Grantstown said: Hi Kris, I have discussed it in other forums, but haven’t done a formal write up as such. I’m happy to expand on any points you would be interested in. One of the first reviews would have been on ‘Seen through glass’ when he took his Carrera T to Litchfield motors. I'l love to hear as much detail, experience as you are able to share. Thanks in advance!

Grantstown said: Hi Kris, I have discussed it in other forums, but haven’t done a formal write up as such. I’m happy to expand on any points you would be interested in. One of the first reviews would have been on ‘Seen through glass’ when he took his Carrera T to Litchfield motors. Thanks - did you have just the engine remap & exhaust, or any of the other upgrades they offer? Happy with the remap, any downsides at all? I don’t need the upgrade, but I do kind of want it as I sit on the sofa….when I drive it the rational part of my brain questions why I need any more than stock power

991T said: Don't suppose you have any vids for sound/performance reference? Only this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p21zJ1Pecw8

KrisP said: Grantstown said: Hi Kris, I have discussed it in other forums, but haven’t done a formal write up as such. I’m happy to expand on any points you would be interested in. One of the first reviews would have been on ‘Seen through glass’ when he took his Carrera T to Litchfield motors. Thanks - did you have just the engine remap & exhaust, or any of the other upgrades they offer? Happy with the remap, any downsides at all? I don’t need the upgrade, but I do kind of want it as I sit on the sofa….when I drive it the rational part of my brain questions why I need any more than stock power Hello Kris, All these things need to be put into the context of which cars you've already had the pleasure of driving. If you're regularly chopping and changing from wonderful sports car to another wonderful sports car, then this probably isn't the way to go. My situation back in 2016 was that I wanted a 911 and basically any 911 was going to be a great experience for me. My pre-requisites were manual and rear drive and I was initially looking at spending 50K on a 997.2 Carrera S manual. The 50K was a logical cut off for me, rather than the most I could spend. There weren't that many cars about and some were up to 60K, which I started feeling was a bit much for a 7-8 year old car. I looked at a Carrera 991.1, but felt that the 3.4 engine wasn't really adequate for the chassis and the EPS and gearbox had been subsequently improved. In the end I thought that spending over 60K was a bit pointless when a new 991.2 Carrera could be ordered for 73K. I ended up ordering my Manual 991.2 Carrera in Dec 16 and taking delivery in May 17. The cost was 83K and it was by miles the best car that I'd ever owned. Frustratingly, since my order the Carrera T had been launched. I definitely would have gone for this one. I always thought the engine seemed a little asthmatic and didn't really charge to the red line. Overall, the handling was always fine for my tastes. Perhaps the 305 rears were a bit 'over tyred' for the power output. On Ebay, I came across an Akrapovic rear box that hadn't been used and I got it for 2.4K. I think that they're around 5K new these days. It's quite a bit lighter than the old box and even though I can't claim to notice the difference, it is nice to know that this weight has been removed from the most rearward bit of hardware in the car. The sound is improved and particularly under load. I use the car with the sports chassis selected on PASM, but never with the sport button activated, as the car then produces loads of pops and bangs, which are a bit cringy to my ears when in traffic. Once the 3 year manufacturers warranty was clearly I went off to Litchfield motors to try the remap. The car was transformed and the performance became pretty savage for a road car. I was expecting a little more lag and then a bigger shove when on boost, but the power delivery has seemed to become more responsive and the car heads to the redline with much more gusto and much less tailing off (if any). 506 bhp is great, but the torque is the thing that transforms the character of the car and challenges the rear axle. It was becoming a bit snappy and my local independent (Ninemeister) suggested putting in a Wavetrack LSD. They'd fitted them for various customers, including GT3s. It's a hybrid LSD, so it's geared, but also has plates for the scenario of there being no grip to one wheel, in which case it can fully lock. This has helped to reign in the torque and make it less snappy. If you're applying power with steering angle, then it needs to be metered in, which is part of driving this car that I love. I want to be able to decipher the grip available to the rear axle and it doesn't want to kill you if you go beyond the limit thankfully. What I can't tell you is how the remap works with the OEM plated diff in the T and S, as I've gone from open diff to the Wavetrack. Litchfield do a handling pack, which does lower the car. I've discussed this with Ninemeister, who can do a similar thing for me if I wish. In the end I opted just to have the geo optimised and this is enough for me. I've added in the S/GTS front discs and calipers and the GT3 brake master cylinder. They refurbed the rear calipers to the matching red to match the new ones up front. This has helped with braking at higher speeds. I've also redone the seat centres in Pepita to give the black interior a nice lift. These cars are prone to turbo issues from their oil lines being so exposed to the elements with no protection. I've had the car cleaned and protected with lanoguard, as well as fitting an air/oil catch can to try and avoid this issue. At the moment everyone looks great underneath, but the car is now 8 years old and the turbos will need replacing one day for sure. I'll then be looking to find turbos that outperform the OEM ones and have an appropriate map. At this point I'd probably go for the Cobb access thingy as I could then switch between maps easily. What are the downsides of the map. Not much I'd say. If you wanted to maintain a warranty I suppose you could have the option of switching the map back to OEM when visiting an OPC. My fuel economy on average has dropped by a couple of mpg. Overall, I'd struggle to part with this car now. I've driven a 992 GT3 with a manual gearbox and I've driven a 73 911T hotrod with 217 bhp from its carburetted 2.7. It's the latter car that I really covet. There's a good bit more saving up to do before I can buy one though, as it'd have to be 'in addition' rather than instead of. I hope that this has gone someway towards answering your question. I have driven this car around the Porsche experience centre track, but I'm by no means an expert driver. My little Cliosport is helping me to get acquainted with trackday driving and at the end of the day, it's not a disaster if I ruin the car. I'm still a little hesitant to risk my 911 yet as it's such a good road car. Maybe next year.

I enjoyed reading that (even though it has no real relevance for me) - thank you

Grantstown said: Hello Kris, All these things need to be put into the context of which cars you've already had the pleasure of driving. If you're regularly chopping and changing from wonderful sports car to another wonderful sports car, then this probably isn't the way to go. My situation back in 2016 was that I wanted a 911 and basically any 911 was going to be a great experience for me. My pre-requisites were manual and rear drive and I was initially looking at spending 50K on a 997.2 Carrera S manual. The 50K was a logical cut off for me, rather than the most I could spend. There weren't that many cars about and some were up to 60K, which I started feeling was a bit much for a 7-8 year old car. I looked at a Carrera 991.1, but felt that the 3.4 engine wasn't really adequate for the chassis and the EPS and gearbox had been subsequently improved. In the end I thought that spending over 60K was a bit pointless when a new 991.2 Carrera could be ordered for 73K. I ended up ordering my Manual 991.2 Carrera in Dec 16 and taking delivery in May 17. The cost was 83K and it was by miles the best car that I'd ever owned. Frustratingly, since my order the Carrera T had been launched. I definitely would have gone for this one. I always thought the engine seemed a little asthmatic and didn't really charge to the red line. Overall, the handling was always fine for my tastes. Perhaps the 305 rears were a bit 'over tyred' for the power output. On Ebay, I came across an Akrapovic rear box that hadn't been used and I got it for 2.4K. I think that they're around 5K new these days. It's quite a bit lighter than the old box and even though I can't claim to notice the difference, it is nice to know that this weight has been removed from the most rearward bit of hardware in the car. The sound is improved and particularly under load. I use the car with the sports chassis selected on PASM, but never with the sport button activated, as the car then produces loads of pops and bangs, which are a bit cringy to my ears when in traffic. Once the 3 year manufacturers warranty was clearly I went off to Litchfield motors to try the remap. The car was transformed and the performance became pretty savage for a road car. I was expecting a little more lag and then a bigger shove when on boost, but the power delivery has seemed to become more responsive and the car heads to the redline with much more gusto and much less tailing off (if any). 506 bhp is great, but the torque is the thing that transforms the character of the car and challenges the rear axle. It was becoming a bit snappy and my local independent (Ninemeister) suggested putting in a Wavetrack LSD. They'd fitted them for various customers, including GT3s. It's a hybrid LSD, so it's geared, but also has plates for the scenario of there being no grip to one wheel, in which case it can fully lock. This has helped to reign in the torque and make it less snappy. If you're applying power with steering angle, then it needs to be metered in, which is part of driving this car that I love. I want to be able to decipher the grip available to the rear axle and it doesn't want to kill you if you go beyond the limit thankfully. What I can't tell you is how the remap works with the OEM plated diff in the T and S, as I've gone from open diff to the Wavetrack. Litchfield do a handling pack, which does lower the car. I've discussed this with Ninemeister, who can do a similar thing for me if I wish. In the end I opted just to have the geo optimised and this is enough for me. I've added in the S/GTS front discs and calipers and the GT3 brake master cylinder. They refurbed the rear calipers to the matching red to match the new ones up front. This has helped with braking at higher speeds. I've also redone the seat centres in Pepita to give the black interior a nice lift. These cars are prone to turbo issues from their oil lines being so exposed to the elements with no protection. I've had the car cleaned and protected with lanoguard, as well as fitting an air/oil catch can to try and avoid this issue. At the moment everyone looks great underneath, but the car is now 8 years old and the turbos will need replacing one day for sure. I'll then be looking to find turbos that outperform the OEM ones and have an appropriate map. At this point I'd probably go for the Cobb access thingy as I could then switch between maps easily. What are the downsides of the map. Not much I'd say. If you wanted to maintain a warranty I suppose you could have the option of switching the map back to OEM when visiting an OPC. My fuel economy on average has dropped by a couple of mpg. Overall, I'd struggle to part with this car now. I've driven a 992 GT3 with a manual gearbox and I've driven a 73 911T hotrod with 217 bhp from its carburetted 2.7. It's the latter car that I really covet. There's a good bit more saving up to do before I can buy one though, as it'd have to be 'in addition' rather than instead of. I hope that this has gone someway towards answering your question. I have driven this car around the Porsche experience centre track, but I'm by no means an expert driver. My little Cliosport is helping me to get acquainted with trackday driving and at the end of the day, it's not a disaster if I ruin the car. I'm still a little hesitant to risk my 911 yet as it's such a good road car. Maybe next year. Thank you for taking the time to write that, much appreciated. I was wondering about the base car as I previously read your post that stated about fitting an LSD, now it makes sense. This is my second 911, the first being a 991.1 4S PDK. I bought that after originally looking at 997.2’s, but got swayed by the 991 after driving all the 997 variants. That was a great car and after a couple of years break, the 991.2 is a very different car, both the engine and the manual box. I have the luxury?!? Of not being under Porsche warranty, so I’m free to do any mods, the question I’m flip flopping on is need v want. I’m only a few months into ownership, and every time I drive it I get out thinking it doesn’t need any more…..but when is more power not desirable!

MDL111 said: I enjoyed reading that (even though it has no real relevance for me) - thank you Very kind of you to say. Great to see that you own a French hatch as well. The rest of your ‘fleet’ is also rather impressive, with several vehicles that I would covet a lot!

KrisP said: Thank you for taking the time to write that, much appreciated. I was wondering about the base car as I previously read your post that stated about fitting an LSD, now it makes sense. This is my second 911, the first being a 991.1 4S PDK. I bought that after originally looking at 997.2’s, but got swayed by the 991 after driving all the 997 variants. That was a great car and after a couple of years break, the 991.2 is a very different car, both the engine and the manual box. I have the luxury?!? Of not being under Porsche warranty, so I’m free to do any mods, the question I’m flip flopping on is need v want. I’m only a few months into ownership, and every time I drive it I get out thinking it doesn’t need any more…..but when is more power not desirable! No problem at all. This topic is proper pistonheads worthy chat imo. Certainly doing any ‘modding’ is not a very British thing to do, but in time it will take off as these cars gradually become less current. The cost to try a remap is much less than going out and changing your car. In your situation I think I’d go for the Cobb Accessport so that you can easily switch between the maps. Go and do it and then report back!

I have a 991.2 T, never like to tinker with my cars, prefer originality, but starting to feel it needs a bit more grunt after 18 months ownership, not much, thinking about Litchfield trip and see if there is a mild 40/50 bhp bump option and handling pack.

Great write up - thanks for the detail! I'm just back from doing the NC500 - which was absolutely fantastic and has thrown up a few more questions... Grantstown said: Hello Kris, All these things need to be put into the context of which cars you've already had the pleasure of driving. If you're regularly chopping and changing from wonderful sports car to another wonderful sports car, then this probably isn't the way to go. My situation back in 2016 was that I wanted a 911 and basically any 911 was going to be a great experience for me. My pre-requisites were manual and rear drive and I was initially looking at spending 50K on a 997.2 Carrera S manual. The 50K was a logical cut off for me, rather than the most I could spend. There weren't that many cars about and some were up to 60K, which I started feeling was a bit much for a 7-8 year old car. I looked at a Carrera 991.1, but felt that the 3.4 engine wasn't really adequate for the chassis and the EPS and gearbox had been subsequently improved. In the end I thought that spending over 60K was a bit pointless when a new 991.2 Carrera could be ordered for 73K. I ended up ordering my Manual 991.2 Carrera in Dec 16 and taking delivery in May 17. The cost was 83K and it was by miles the best car that I'd ever owned. Frustratingly, since my order the Carrera T had been launched. I definitely would have gone for this one. I always thought the engine seemed a little asthmatic and didn't really charge to the red line. Overall, the handling was always fine for my tastes. Perhaps the 305 rears were a bit 'over tyred' for the power output. On Ebay, I came across an Akrapovic rear box that hadn't been used and I got it for 2.4K. I think that they're around 5K new these days. It's quite a bit lighter than the old box and even though I can't claim to notice the difference, it is nice to know that this weight has been removed from the most rearward bit of hardware in the car. The sound is improved and particularly under load. I use the car with the sports chassis selected on PASM, but never with the sport button activated, as the car then produces loads of pops and bangs, which are a bit cringy to my ears when in traffic. Once the 3 year manufacturers warranty was clearly I went off to Litchfield motors to try the remap. The car was transformed and the performance became pretty savage for a road car. I was expecting a little more lag and then a bigger shove when on boost, but the power delivery has seemed to become more responsive and the car heads to the redline with much more gusto and much less tailing off (if any). 506 bhp is great, but the torque is the thing that transforms the character of the car and challenges the rear axle. It was becoming a bit snappy and my local independent (Ninemeister) suggested putting in a Wavetrack LSD. They'd fitted them for various customers, including GT3s. It's a hybrid LSD, so it's geared, but also has plates for the scenario of there being no grip to one wheel, in which case it can fully lock. This has helped to reign in the torque and make it less snappy. If you're applying power with steering angle, then it needs to be metered in, which is part of driving this car that I love. I want to be able to decipher the grip available to the rear axle and it doesn't want to kill you if you go beyond the limit thankfully. What I can't tell you is how the remap works with the OEM plated diff in the T and S, as I've gone from open diff to the Wavetrack. Litchfield do a handling pack, which does lower the car. I've discussed this with Ninemeister, who can do a similar thing for me if I wish. In the end I opted just to have the geo optimised and this is enough for me. I've added in the S/GTS front discs and calipers and the GT3 brake master cylinder. They refurbed the rear calipers to the matching red to match the new ones up front. This has helped with braking at higher speeds. I've also redone the seat centres in Pepita to give the black interior a nice lift. These cars are prone to turbo issues from their oil lines being so exposed to the elements with no protection. I've had the car cleaned and protected with lanoguard, as well as fitting an air/oil catch can to try and avoid this issue. At the moment everyone looks great underneath, but the car is now 8 years old and the turbos will need replacing one day for sure. I'll then be looking to find turbos that outperform the OEM ones and have an appropriate map. At this point I'd probably go for the Cobb access thingy as I could then switch between maps easily. What are the downsides of the map. Not much I'd say. If you wanted to maintain a warranty I suppose you could have the option of switching the map back to OEM when visiting an OPC. My fuel economy on average has dropped by a couple of mpg. Overall, I'd struggle to part with this car now. I've driven a 992 GT3 with a manual gearbox and I've driven a 73 911T hotrod with 217 bhp from its carburetted 2.7. It's the latter car that I really covet. There's a good bit more saving up to do before I can buy one though, as it'd have to be 'in addition' rather than instead of. I hope that this has gone someway towards answering your question. I have driven this car around the Porsche experience centre track, but I'm by no means an expert driver. My little Cliosport is helping me to get acquainted with trackday driving and at the end of the day, it's not a disaster if I ruin the car. I'm still a little hesitant to risk my 911 yet as it's such a good road car. Maybe next year.