2020 911 interior

https://blog.caranddriver.com/2020-porsche-911-interior-revealed-it-has-a-real-cupholder/ I am not sure I like this idea of putting a cup holder right behind the shifter.

Shifter, what shifter? All I see is a transmission mode selection lever lol. Get 'yer 7-speeds while you can.

Not doing it for me.

Yeah. Maybe no MT.

I assume the cupholder in your car is in the same spot in mine. You think its a good idea to have it right next to and above the console? One good bump or hard turn and it goes flying. There are several threads on RL or 6SP about this and alternatives on the floor. The cupholders in the sports cars have always been afterthoughts. Real driver's don't drink anything while driving. BTW, this isn't fake news, its real. There is a thread on Reddit, an AMA, about this from a PCNA employee. https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/wvbca/iama_former_employee_of_porsche_cars_north/

The swing out, cup holders in my car are not that great. The one closest to me however is easy to reach and will hold a Contigo for coffee or a small bottle of water. They, the cup holders, also tend to rattle. OTOH, with my manual, if the cup holder had been positioned behind the shifter, I would never use it. Usually, I just keep a bottle of water for longer drives and rarely drink anything else in the car.

And when you hit a bump, or turn to fast, and that cup jostles, .... liquid all over the console. Do a search on RL or elsewhere and people whine about it all the time. They are afterthoughts. The new interior I think comes from the Panny. You know, time to update everything with a new look. LCD gauges too. No more real gauges. Got to be "modern".

Real gauges suck, actually. Because it's usually quite difficult to read anything but very approximate values from one. If you can read your analog speedometer at a glance to anything closer than ~10 MPH, you've got better eyeballs than I do. Though admittedly that's partially because those are so compressed in current Porsches, both Caymans and 991's, with numbers every 25 MPH instead of 10. Similarly, the two temperature gauges are very approximate compared to the digital ones available on the MFD. Not that I really care that much beyond "oil is up to temp," but there's no question that the digital versions are much more functional. Not everything is good just because it's old and traditional. There's a lot things to complain about in those images of the new interior, but more LCD instruments aren't one of them. I am sincerely hoping, for example, that they haven't screwed up the mode selector as much as it appears they did, and haven't eliminated manual shifting with the shifter entirely. A lot in those photos are clearly temporary jury rigs for a test mule, not what you'll see in a production car.

You misunderstand. I don't mean digital readouts. I think the new gauges look just like analog ones, just LCD or whatever they use these days with a dial. Watch. It's made to emulate the analog gauges.

They briefly cover the instruments at the 15 minute mark in that video, and yeah, they're overusing emulated analog gauges in the Panamera instead of actually innovating. That's more about their iffy user interface decisions than the fact that they're LCDs, though. It's not all a waste, since it's apparent they're using the center of the left display for more than just a badly designed simulated analog speedometer, but they could definitely have done more. I suppose that's not really a surprise, since Porsche has always been kind of bad at user interface on their electronics. I haven't really sat down with the 991.2 PCM yet, but the 991.1 PCM interface was remarkably clunky.

And the PCM 2 was a monstrosity. (987/997)

My 911 could benefit from a simpler set of gauges. The small ones at the far end of the cluster are hidden and not useful. The large tach in the middle and digital display of speed is all I look at and the MFD for various things like tire pressure and oil and coolant temperatures. Cup holders are fine for me. I don't care much either way and am glad there are not behind the shift lever. Where I think the interior could use improvement is in build quality. There are quite a few buzzing, vibrating and rubbing sounds in the interior especially when the car is cold and when driving on even mildly rough pavement. Maybe nothing can be done because the car has a firm suspension and things work themselves loose after a few thousand miles. Wheel wells seem to have no sound deadening because even tiny twigs or pebbles bounce of the underside of the car and transmit the noise to the cabin quite loudly. Finally, the tires selected by Porsche, P zeros are very noisy. They drown out every other sound on the highway. This has been written about in reviews as well. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2017-porsche-911-carrera-4s-test-review "The one aspect that might not make one feel grand about touring in a 911 C4S is interior noise. Road and tire noise raise the sound level to 76 decibels at 70 mph, which is anything but luxurious. Even the Mercedes-AMG GT S belts out 74 decibels at 70, so the 911 isn’t horrible in this regard, but ears can grow tired of the abuse on longer trips."

Here is another C&D article which suggests that the Pirellis are no louder than the Michelins, at least at 60 mph. In fact, the differences between all five tested tires are minimal. https://www.caranddriver.com/featur...-performance-summer-tire-test-feature-final-scoring-and-performance-data-page-2

Seems like they got the inspiration from the honda s2000... Where everybody hated it. Anyway, real men use T-Design cupholder, period! Puts your drink exactly where you can grab it without looking or leaning sideways. And it can take any Gs you can squeeze out of the car. Nurburgring Cup Holder for Porsche

I guess if I ever bought a model 3, I would prefer that it drive itself so that I can take a nap in the backseat.

have to remember no tesla for me. Lots of closeup pics here Check out the Interior of the new 2019 Porsche 911 » AutoGuide.com News Definitely looks like fake analog gauges

If they are going to do a console cup holder it should go between the shifter and the dash and there should be two of them. Get it out of the way. Elbows and liquids are required to be in mutually exclusive spaces. The controls on the dash and in front of the shfter can move down both sides of the console.

Uh oh...there's serious discussion about cupholders happening on a Porsche enthusiast site.

LOL. The shame!