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mrdemon said: Haven't you read the Porsche child seat threads?

LOL

Thinking of swapping out my Boxster for a CR. Quite a few hanging about at the OPC's, spoilt for choice at the moment.

I would not say spoilt for choice, only 2 manual cars for sale with PSE , both black.

They are lovely !!

The new Boxster / Cayman section has only been around five minutes and there are already multiple excuses to post pictures - brilliant :-)

My daily is a CS Sport which is a great car although a little soft. Is there a big difference between this and a CR? (Apart from an LSD and an extra 30bhp?) I have seen a white manual CR, 2011, 11,000 miles, up for sale at c£40k for and am sorely tempted.

Sold my spyder a few weeks ago ,thinking I would buy something else in the spring. Looking already at a nice white R lovely car, pretty much good spec but pdk . Don't know what to think about it really. What s your thoughts?

ebbwboy said: Sold my spyder a few weeks ago ,thinking I would buy something else in the spring. Looking already at a nice white R lovely car, pretty much good spec but pdk . Don't know what to think about it really. What s your thoughts? PDK - it's the future, rather like garlic bread. You can be lazy and leave it in auto or change gear manually (without the possibility of over-rev issues)- jusr make sure you get the wheel with paddles rather than buttons.

just out of curiosity, does anyone know if the Porsche Side Decals on the CR are a Gloss or Matt finish?

BubblesNW said: PDK - it's the future, rather like garlic bread. Get a manual now while they are still available is my advice :-). PDK is only getting better every gen takes about 4 attempts , I am sure they have learnt a lot of the new 991 PDK which should filter down to the 981 face lift. As most say 987.2 buy a manual 981 buy PDK the issue there is e 981 has v1 electric steering which sucks.

Having owned both I would say the Manual

so i don't really get this but why is the the Cayman R better than a new 981 Cayman S with buckets and the sport chassis? Obviously 1 is cheaper than the other? The 981 benefits from improvements but has electric steering. To me, unless you love the limited model nature or the looks of the 987, it would seem like the newer cayman is the better buy. And i had a cr before so i know how good it is, I am just not sure a new CS with the right options is any worse.

HokumPokum said: so i don't really get this but why is the the Cayman R better than a new 981 Cayman S with buckets and the sport chassis? Obviously 1 is cheaper than the other? The 981 benefits from improvements but has electric steering. To me, unless you love the limited model nature or the looks of the 987, it would seem like the newer cayman is the better buy. And i had a cr before so i know how good it is, I am just not sure a new CS with the right options is any worse. I don't think anyone has actually driven a 981C with the sport chassis? Certainly, my OPC doesn't know (or didn't when I asked) of one being ordered.... I'd like to try one though, and would consider it a replacement for my Spyder with a few well chosen options (like upholders).

HokumPokum said: so i don't really get this but why is the the Cayman R better than a new 981 Cayman S with buckets and the sport chassis? Obviously 1 is cheaper than the other? The 981 benefits from improvements but has electric steering. To me, unless you love the limited model nature or the looks of the 987, it would seem like the newer cayman is the better buy. And i had a cr before so i know how good it is, I am just not sure a new CS with the right options is any worse. CR is one of the best cars I have owned for a road car. the steering and 911 looks of the 981 is a non starter for me and the main factor to not owning one. I also love the 987.2 looks and you can tell it's a Cayman, the 981 looks bland, it's lost the nice rear haunches and the front is pure 911. the new car is also under powered and imo you may as well buy a basic 991, get the +2 and a real 350BHp, why own a Cayman over a basic 991 ? Edited by mrdemon on Thursday 7th November 21:19

Zyp said: I don't think anyone has actually driven a 981C with the sport chassis? Certainly, my OPC doesn't know (or didn't when I asked) of one being ordered.... I'd like to try one though, and would consider it a replacement for my Spyder with a few well chosen options (like upholders). Do upholders prevent ones stockings from slipping down due to the alcantara seats? Boxster owners - you just couldn't make it up ....

BubblesNW said: Do upholders prevent ones stockings from slipping down due to the alcantara seats? Boxster owners - you just couldn't make it up .... Yeah yeah.... So I lost my c somewhere... Did you find it, you ock....

Zyp said: Yeah yeah.... So I lost my c somewhere... Did you find it, you ock.... Coming from the author of the straighteners thread ... Edited by BubblesNW on Thursday 7th November 23:15

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mrdemon said: CR is one of the best cars I have owned for a road car. the steering and 911 looks of the 981 is a non starter for me and the main factor to not owning one. I also love the 987.2 looks and you can tell it's a Cayman, the 981 looks bland, it's lost the nice rear haunches and the front is pure 911. the new car is also under powered and imo you may as well buy a basic 991, get the +2 and a real 350BHp, why own a Cayman over a basic 991 ? Edited by mrdemon on Thursday 7th November 21:19 My new 981 Cayman was £30K less than a basic 991. Bit of a difference, wouldn't you agree?

Typical MrDemon. (1) A fully-specced up 981 Cayman S comes close-ish in price to a basic 911. Of course it does - it is some ways a better car and in some ways still inferior, so it is about the same price. Given that ALL Cayman owners like to stress that the Cayman is different from, rather than inferior to, the 911, it makes sense that people might choose an expensive Cayman over a cheap 911 (which means a similar price for each). I would not feel at all uncomfortable spending the same on an extremely specced up Cayman S (or, please please please, a new Cayman R/RS/GT/whatever they call it) as I would spend on a very basic 911. Different cars. (2) A 981 Cayman (even with decent spec) is still far cheaper than a basic 911. Of course it is - it has a far smaller (and cheaper, I would have thought) engine and is a much smaller car. It is also towards the Porsche "budget" end of the spectrum...all things being relative.

The engines the same lol

Even I know there isn't a 2.7l Carrera.

mrdemon said: The engines the same lol ??

FrankCayman said: mrdemon said: The engines the same lol ?? 3.4 engine

it's hard work here some times.

mrdemon said: it's hard work here some times. I know, I know - they should always agree with you. But, I am glad they don't.

who builds a good cage for the cayman? I have seen a few Cayman Rs with nicely executed cages but have not been able to enquire as to the installer.

mrdemon said: it's hard work here some times. You really are a funny old boy....

HokumPokum said: who builds a good cage for the cayman? I have seen a few Cayman Rs with nicely executed cages but have not been able to enquire as to the installer. Safety Devices are up there with the best so maybe a good place to start. http://www.safetydevices.com/

Mermaid said: I know, I know - they should always agree with you. But, I am glad they don't. It's not about agree with me is it lol. The 981 3.4 is the same block as the 991 3.4., that 's a fact, disagreeing to troll me make you look la bit daft. Edited by mrdemon on Sunday 10th November 10:16

mrdemon said: It's not about agree with me is it lol. The 981 3.4 is the same block as the 991 3.4., that 's a fact, disagreeing to troll me make you look la bit daft. Edited by mrdemon on Sunday 10th November 10:16 The 2.7 isn't is it. You are the troll, dear fellow. Enjoy your car. it's lovely.....don't worry about the new model....forget it.....chillout!

FrankCayman said: mrdemon said: It's not about agree with me is it lol. The 981 3.4 is the same block as the 991 3.4., that 's a fact, disagreeing to troll me make you look la bit daft. Edited by mrdemon on Sunday 10th November 10:16 The 2.7 isn't is it. You are the troll, dear fellow. Enjoy your car. it's lovely.....don't worry about the new model....forget it.....chillout! MrDemon, I agree with Frank - Chill. You are a knowledgeable chap, but not the only one.

HokumPokum said: who builds a good cage for the cayman? I have seen a few Cayman Rs with nicely executed cages but have not been able to enquire as to the installer. like this Heigo ?

That cage looks very good but a quick google search reveals that the company can be an arse to deal with which is a shame. One of the few cages I've seen that dont require any sort of butchery of interior trim.

Andy Fagan - whose car is pictured in post #1 has just installed one in his car. It just bolted in I think with no butchery needed. Not sure what he used. He can easily be found on the Spyder thread on PCGB forum or PM me if needs be and I can put you in touch.

mrdemon said: like this Heigo ? This looks very nice indeed.

anonymous said: [redacted] I think I read somewhere in the last couple of years that a 997 turbo cost about £6k more to produce than a boxster. Not sure if that's complete cost including R&d etc or just manufacturing, but the mark up on a 911 is pretty amazing. Kind of try across the industry though, big cars don't fundamentally cost proportionally more than small cars to make.

Porsche makes £13k per car sold if you look at total profit vs car sales so they say. A lot of that money coming in must be servicing costs. but the books look OK in the Porsche camp it seems.

I can't believe that the 911 costs much more to build than a Cayman. If correct, would that make the Cayman better value ? I think that one of the best things about Porsche is that their entry level cars are so exceptionally good --- and no problems reported yet with the gen II engines

Can anyone tell me from this photograph if this Cayman R has air conditioning please? Thanks.

No AC. The blank button next to the recirculation button would have a snow flake on it when AC was specced.

krallicious said: No AC. The blank button next to the recirculation button would have a snow flake on it when AC was specced. This one has, and could be well be for sale

SPiston said: This one has, and could be well be for sale PDK? Sport Chrono? Sports Exhaust? Bucket seats? Sub 5,000 miles? 1 owner? 2012? Sat Nav? If yes then might be interested.

anonymous said: [redacted] SO much better looking than the 981!!!

SPiston said: This one has, and could be well be for sale If it's got bucket seats and is manual I might be interested...

csmith319 said: SO much better looking than the 981!!! this 100% I don't get every one swooning over the new Cayman, it's way to 911 now. 987.2 is a great looking sports car.

Once the 987.2 gets oldish (say in about 5 years), I expect the R to hold its value very well compared to 2.7 and S versions. It is inherently more "special" and likely to maintain a bit of a following.

already holds it's value and has a massive following. more R's than GT3 on track days I go to and the R keeps getting fastest laps at the Porsche club GB sprint champs. over cars with 100bhp more. It's the perfect sports car for road use which can take a track day no problem. Very under rated car even though it won drivers car of the year at launch and people slagged it for not being a GT3!!! which imo is a good job, a GT3 Cayman would ruin it for the road. No new Porsche steers as well, and in manual form you can have your cake and eat it with this car. one word "stunning"

I'd have a Cayman R over the 981, I think it looks just about perfect. The 981 is nice looking but has lost some of the 987's character, much like the new Cayenne compared to the original, the new designs are 'safer'. I was following a white Cayman R on the M3 on Saturday morning, anyone on here notice a GT2 behind you? The Cayman looked awesome, really made me miss my old cars

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Does anyone know how many R's were made?

in the UK about 230/250 odd but never more than a few for sale at 1 time, never see a 2nd hand red one as an example. And only 4 black Manual cars for sale at the OPC, Black seems a very bad seller.

Mrdemon interesting what you say about black. I was advised against buying a white Cayman as the colour has been very popular over all car manufacturers, over supply etc. The black CR looks mean although I do like the look of the white CRs (at the moment!). Time will tell I guess.

I take it they did not have any white cars for sale lol. White looks great on the R. some cars imo look wrong in white Astons, Ferrari, Merc's all don't look great in white imo. Audi and Porsche always look great in white.

It was a little independent dealer that said that to me and I wasn't actually looking to buy at the time. They just mentioned that the white Cayman etc were difficult to sell relative to red, black. Perhaps they were just unlucky with previous sales. I think the only colour I don't like is the green! I wouldn't go for the red either but I think it still looks good with black wheels!

Very true cmoose

Mine probably going end this year maybe beginning next, what do you reckon current private sale value is and what OPC offer would be today. Bought new Oct 11 - 4,500 miles Porsche Warranty till OCt 14 White Manual Sports exhaust Sport Chrono PCM A/C

DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted. I agree the R looks so much nicer than the standard one it looks so much more special than a standard car!Much more focused and serious IMO IMG_2901-Edit by Chris Teagles , on Flickr

anonymous said: [redacted] Every day is a school day, thanks cmoose.

TackMEU said: they are both terrific drivers cars and the CR is a great, but perhaps flawed car. What do you think is flawed on the R ? just interested in peoples views as I don't hear a bad thing about it any where. As for 981 vs 987 it's starting to make no odds as the R is so expensive you can buy a 981 Boxster for less money already, so it's not about costs or what people own/afford either. Owners like me could have a newer car for less money but choose to stay with the older car because it drives and looks better. (ofcourse the looks thing is personal) and I do have my name down on a Cayman GT4 but it needs to be bloody good :-) ie have a 3.8 engine and 6 pots as standard. I think Porsche got the R spot on even though people wanted it more hardcore, imo that would have ruined it.

i would be interested in the gt4 but i fear its going to be a turbo 4 pot!why?because the gts is the runout 981.1 and the 981.2 is 12-18months away and that will be a 4 pot turbo and any R/gt4/spyder will follow!but heres living in hope for a 3.8 but it might be cheaper to drop the 3.8 in the current R and have the better looking car!i am in the 981 is ugly camp and the new gts looks

anonymous said: [redacted] disagree the 981 gearing is the same as the 987.2 yes the gearing could be shorter but my spyder is no worse than the 987.1cayman i had before and even my 986s the first 2 gears were long and if you think they are bad have you checked out the ratios on a gt3!

anonymous said: [redacted] are yes i see where you are coming fron now;)

I hate the look of the 987 but absolutely loved my Cayman R...go figure! The subtle design changes and lower stance improved it massively. I do however like the way the new Porsche's are going, after getting use to them.

anonymous said: [redacted] we have been though this, every single review of the new manuals state the gearings to long at over 82 mph in 2nd. the 2nd and 3rd gears have been shortened over the 987.1 car which I had in the 987.2. the 987.2 runs smaller over all wheel/tyre combo which puts the speeds higher in the 981 over the 987.2 even though the final drive might be the same. the PDK cars run about 66 and 99 mph in 2nd and 3rd gear over 82 and 120mph in the manual 2nd and 3rd gear. if you find them ok then buy one, but I don't see you doing that either, all well and good saying things are ok when you don't want to buy one. as for standard 987.2 car they do look daft with the massive wheel arch gaps. but that's the only thing that puts me off them, the new 981 look just as daft in that dept.

mrdemon said: we have been though this, every single review of the new manuals state the gearings to long at over 82 mph in 2nd. the 2nd and 3rd gears have been shortened over the 987.1 car which I had in the 987.2. the 987.2 runs smaller over all wheel/tyre combo which puts the speeds higher in the 981 over the 987.2 even though the final drive might be the same. the PDK cars run about 66 and 99 mph in 2nd and 3rd gear over 82 and 120mph in the manual 2nd and 3rd gear. if you find them ok then buy one, but I don't see you doing that either, all well and good saying things are ok when you don't want to buy one. as for standard 987.2 car they do look daft with the massive wheel arch gaps. but that's the only thing that puts me off them, the new 981 look just as daft in that dept. It's not every single review is it? In fact most reviews state the manual is the one to have. I test drove both and yes it is a little long, but the manual drives so beautifully. You clearly dislike the 981 so much that you'll say just about anything to justify a 987. The 20" wheels fill the arches on a PASM equipped car very well.

I don't have to justify a 987, I just like them better for looks. as for the wheels lol ok if you think they look ok than that's that and the 987.2 is just as bad if not worse. both look stupid. I swear people will say black is white on here, but ffs that's a wheel arch gap and then some. top car is PASM bottom car non PASM both look daft non PASM looks just stupid.

i agree re the wheel arch gaps, the standard suspension setup looks far too jacked up, the size of the wheels is not the issue. PASM cars are ok because of the 10mm drop, R is better with 20mm drop. Re the photo above not sure top car has PASM, does't look like it from the gap.

forget the wheel gap, love the colour!!!

the cars are not the same, I took the Picture of the top car, the bottom car is in Scotland and a non S agree on the orange, it looks great, Porsche and wheel arch gaps , not so great,, put me of a normal 987.2 car straight away PASM or not, they look daft.

My old PASM Equipped 981S VS Soon to be mine Cayman R Slightly different angles, but a good comparison.

Not sure either of those 2 orange cars have PASM from those pictures? This is PASM equipped and looks nothing like. Maybe they still have the transport blocks in Edited by nsm3 on Wednesday 21st May 19:55

anonymous said: [redacted] About 10% lower and more in 3rd.

anonymous said: [redacted] so what do we need to know? The gear & axle ratios: Transmission Fifth Gear Ratio (:1): 0.84 Final Drive Axle Ratio (:1): 3.88 First Gear Ratio (:1): 3.50 Fourth Gear Ratio (:1): 1.09 Reverse Ratio (:1): 3.44 Second Gear Ratio (:1): 2.12 Third Gear Ratio (:1): 1.43 Trans Description Cont.: Manual Trans Type: 6 Rear tyres are 265/35 ZR19 revs till 7400 31,51,75,99,128 in the 1st 5 gears - does that sense? the wheel circumference is 265 + 70 * 22/7 Edited by Mermaid on Wednesday 21st May 22:14

anonymous said: [redacted] I vbox every thing, can you not work out 10% ?

anonymous said: [redacted] Do you have the PDK gear ratios?

rudester said: Soon to be mine Cayman R . with PCCBs? is it a manual? I would be keen on one if so equipped. Pls send them my way if anyone is selling.

Mine tops out at 72/73 going by the digital speedo

Which is probably about 78 in real money, so Cmoose is spot on. Bigger point is this - 76, 78, 82, etc are all too high for max speed in 2nd. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. A thoroughly good job of picking on MrD, though. Who would complain about top speeds something like the following? 1 - 35 2 - 68 3 - 100 4 - 120 5 - who cares? 6 - who cares? No idea if those could be done sensibly, but isn't that the kind of thing that most people think makes sense for our roads? 2nd to nail low speed overtaking and exiting tight corners; 3rd for all other acceleration tasks except motorway work, where 4th steps in. I think PDK is a bit tighter than the manual, presumably in part just because it has an extra gear to stack. No idea where any of the gears peak out, though, because I am too busy enjoying the noise to look at the numbers :-)

anonymous said: [redacted] Considering that's a Porsche document, you'd think they would proof-read it. The Cayman S Manual had a 6th gear ration of 0.081 apparently!? Should be 0.881 I expect.

DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted. some people just like the more analogue feel of the older model and the R is top of the line in the outgoing 987.2 model. simples :-)

mrdemon said: some people just like the more analogue feel of the older model and the R is top of the line in the outgoing 987.2 model. simples :-) 981 looks loads better, has a much nicer interior and has better gearing though !!

All this talk of gearing and NOT ONE MENTION of the 981's electric steering?! ;-)

I hope the GT4 is a step up from the steering on the latest 2.7 that I drove ... for me that had plenty of weight but very little feel at the slip ...

The steering is the reason I don't own one now.

ChrisW. said: I hope the GT4 is a step up from the steering on the latest 2.7 that I drove ... for me that had plenty of weight but very little feel at the slip ... If it isn't and also comes with a pdk only transmission, I for one won't be tempted.

DELETED: Comment made by a member who's account has been deleted. I didn't get on with the PDK and I wanted something a little more engaging / analogue. Unless you were driving hard it didn't feel that special. It's undoubtedly a beautiful looking car, one of the best on the road IMO, but after a while I was drawn back to the harder edged looks of the CR. I'd agree that the gearing in first and second is too long in these cars. Just as they are getting into their stride you have to back off. If Porsche offered a shorter ratio box i'd be at the top of the queue.

Looking for a manual Cayman R, prefer black, bucket seats, air con and manual. Please message me if you hear or see any for sales thanks

richardofengland said: Looking for a manual Cayman R, prefer black, bucket seats, air con and manual. Please message me if you hear or see any for sales thanks If you can wait a while, mine will be up for sale when the GT4 comes out. Spec is as you have described but also has nav, spyder alloys and telephone module.

I had not realised how special these cars are before this thread prompted me to find out more. I tried one last week and it is much more interesting a drive than the new cars. The problem I now have is trying to find one. I just tried Paragon for the Black one they had and It seems as soon as they appear they sell! Never had money waiting before, and now i have I can't spend it. Very frustrating.

good luck in your hunt, you won't be disappointed.

Found a very unique Cayman R interior today. I think whoever configured it felt very brave and then had the shock of his lifetime on delivery. www.fsdonline.de/1608006

I rather like that, if it was Rhd I would buy it tomorrow.