Porsche 6 point harness WRFI Workshop campaign notice - Page 2 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

PSA and for discussion. I know it's 1st April, but the letter's dated 28th March... My car is a 997.1 GT3 Clubsport, fitted with the Carrera GT, fixed back, carbon buckets. Seats have no airbags fitted but on the Clubsport cars with these fitted, there are airbags in the lower doors (hence the very handy, lidded door bins are deleted). I can;t see how this applies to my specific car. It is relevant, I guess, to those with the later style, folding buckets, which do have airbags built into the seat side bolsters. I understand this will affect later Cayman and 911 GT models, so useful for all to know about, in case your car's ownership is no longer on the OPC radar.

I received the same letter this morning. Unthreading my 3-point seatbelt every time i use the 6-point harness is a non-starter really. I'll look for a cable-tie solution to keep the belt out of the way.

Can’t you just plug it in round the back of the seat when you’re wearing harnesses? That’s what I’ve been doing for years to stop it bonging.

jackwood said: Can’t you just plug it in round the back of the seat when you’re wearing harnesses? That’s what I’ve been doing for years to stop it bonging. I have a dummy seatbelt clip in the centre console for that purpose, but I don't think this is the issue, but rather than the un-used seatbelts (on certain types of bucket seat) get in the way of the airbags.

Digga said: I have a dummy seatbelt clip in the centre console for that purpose, but I don't think this is the issue, but rather than the un-used seatbelts (on certain types of bucket seat) get in the way of the airbags. Yep. Precisely. Normal legal arse-covering - as they say there has been an incident or discovery where this was a factor. So they are getting out in front of it. Not like this system hasn't been in place for years

Same letter and I just thought it would be a simple case of wrapping it round the back of the seat and plugging it in ...... Or am I oversimplifying it ?

Digga said: jackwood said: Can’t you just plug it in round the back of the seat when you’re wearing harnesses? That’s what I’ve been doing for years to stop it bonging. I have a dummy seatbelt clip in the centre console for that purpose, but I don't think this is the issue, but rather than the un-used seatbelts (on certain types of bucket seat) get in the way of the airbags. Yes I know that’s the normal thing for you track junkies to do, but I’m suggesting that by pulling the belt round the back of the seat and plugging it in, that it will stop the bonging AND allow the airbags to deploy correctly, as the belt is no longer hanging down the b-pillar. Was just a thought

jackwood said: Yes I know that’s the normal thing for you track junkies to do, but I’m suggesting that by pulling the belt round the back of the seat and plugging it in, that it will stop the bonging AND allow the airbags to deploy correctly, as the belt is no longer hanging down the b-pillar. Was just a thought One step ahead of me and Porsche GmbH. It's such an obscurely worded letter, as to not clearly communicate the precises issue and solution, in two whole pages of screed.

Interesting…

TDT said: Interesting… Needs deviated stitching.

TDT said: Interesting… Wow!! Will be interesting to see what my CS turns up with! What a complete ball ache that will be if you have to use harnesses all the time if you have a CS spec car!!

Just realised that’s on the GT3…. That warning only appears once. You have to completely back out of the configurator and re-enter it to get it to pop up again. If they really do arrive without a regular seatbelt that’s going to seriously effect people’s decision to go CS spec or not, I would have thought….

jackwood said: TDT said: Interesting… Wow!! Will be interesting to see what my CS turns up with! What a complete ball ache that will be if you have to use harnesses all the time if you have a CS spec car!! It doesn't do that in Switzerland. Last time I looked it was illegal to drive with the six point harness on the road here (or at least with these harnesses - something to do with the unfastening method in case of accident I believe)

mep59 said: jackwood said: TDT said: Interesting… Image Wow!! Will be interesting to see what my CS turns up with! What a complete ball ache that will be if you have to use harnesses all the time if you have a CS spec car!! It doesn't do that in Switzerland. Last time I looked it was illegal to drive with the six point harness on the road here (or at least with these harnesses - something to do with the unfastening method in case of accident I believe) Thought that also - so then wonder if there is a change in the harness fastening mechanism to meet legislation. Ferrari and Lambo also delete 3point seat-belt if you select their respective harness options - so it not new.

All looks temporary as they mention a special clip is in the works. Had same letter today 991.2

If it's a problem not being used and hanging down the B pillar then behind the seat and plugged in should be fine then.

I emailed Reading this afternoon for the attention of Adam Dauncey explaining the re-routing of the three point belt behind the seat to stop the "bonging" ... I'm awaiting a reply. I'll post any reply ... I certainly won't be unscrewing my three point belt ...

I don’t know why they couldn’t just suggest that the 3-point belt and harness must be worn together. Surely that’s the easiest and safest solution?

jackwood said: I don’t know why they couldn’t just suggest that the 3-point belt and harness must be worn together. Surely that’s the easiest and safest solution? Should I bring all my shoes too? Asking for a friend.

Fastened with a new bolt how very Porsche. I don't understand how this won't affect every clubsport since the 996.2 as they've all had side airbags fitted haven't they? Unless your airbags are sitting in your loft like mine! Anyway, if you unfasten the seat bolt for the three point belt there's another bolt holding it at the top on the adjuster, what are they suggesting-leaving it swinging about to brain you? I only refitted my three points this last winter as they've been out of the car for years-mine certainly didn't fully retract onto the spool when undone from the seat mounting...

ChrisW. said: I emailed Reading this afternoon for the attention of Adam Dauncey explaining the re-routing of the three point belt behind the seat to stop the "bonging" ... I'm awaiting a reply. I'll post any reply ... I certainly won't be unscrewing my three point belt ... No acknowledgement or reply so far ...

jackwood said: I don’t know why they couldn’t just suggest that the 3-point belt and harness must be worn together. Surely that’s the easiest and safest solution? There’s a possibility, albeit very small, that the use of both belts together may hinder getting out of the car in an emergency (e.g fire). Becoming entangled, or just confusion in the moment if say a marshall was extracting you. Perhaps more an issue if your harnesses are the same colour as the 3 points. Routing it behind the seat and clipping it in seems to me to be the best solution. Silences the warning and doesn’t obstruct the airbag.

On the CGT fixed buckets though, there are no seat airbags for the unused seatbelts to really get in the way of and the buckle itself isn’t going to swing forward into the path of the lower door airbag IMHO. It seems to me this is an issue for the later, folding bucket seats, which have integral airbags in the side bolsters.

I got the letter through for the 4RS today. Will be interesting to see how this pans out.

TDT said: I got the letter through for the 4RS today. Will be interesting to see how this pans out. Cable ties and gaffer tape for the ‘Ring trip.

Digga said: On the CGT fixed buckets though, there are no seat airbags for the unused seatbelts to really get in the way of and the buckle itself isn’t going to swing forward into the path of the lower door airbag IMHO. It seems to me this is an issue for the later, folding bucket seats, which have integral airbags in the side bolsters. If they've wrote to you, presumably they're worried about the door airbag and nor just the seat. Perhaps it's the lower location of the door airbags-in the 996 they're in the middle door at your elbow so maybe there isn't a concern there? Either way, for it only to be a concern now and considering the amount of cars that have been yeeted into barriers on track it must be a fairly low risk!

PRO5T said: If they've wrote to you, presumably they're worried about the door airbag and nor just the seat. Perhaps it's the lower location of the door airbags-in the 996 they're in the middle door at your elbow so maybe there isn't a concern there? Either way, for it only to be a concern now and considering the amount of cars that have been yeeted into barriers on track it must be a fairly low risk! Yes, slightly different location, but I think it's more a case of belt & braces (as opposed to belt & 6 point harness) in terms of them catching all affected. I still think it's the buckets with built-in airbags they're concerned about. I cannot see a way the seatbelt is catching the airbag.

Just back from the dealer who kindly gave me the recall booklet ....... Its 41 pages but only half a page in English !!! You gotta love Porsche. The booklet alone must have cost a fortune to produce. Anyway ...... for those of you dying to know what exciting information is contained within , wait no longer .....

Who in their right mind is going to do this ? I have still not received any reply from Adam Dauncey .... the letter was definitely not dated April 1st ...

They sent me a little booklet with the letter - quite impressed for a car that is 15ish years old. Must be some type of CYA with regards to Americans possibly suing them for some retarded amount of money

Like Jackwood suggested, plugging seatbelts around back of seats would work. Simple, effective.

Yup - Received and read with interest; however, since my 997.2 is fitted with CGT lightweight buckets, this letter is destined for the bin.

Looks like this will be the solution.

But not for anything other than 911 992 GT3 etc ? 'Still no reply from Mr Dauncey ... or anybody else for that matter ...

I’m sure it would apply to everyone who got the letter.

Do Manthey sell duck tape and cable ties in Meuspath? Asking for a friend.