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Seen pictures of Porsche testing the new Boxster EV. When will we see them testing the Cayman? These are usually released together so why haven’t we seen something? I’m hoping it’s going to look something like this AI produced render….

If the front half of the Boxster EV mule is close to how it'll end up being, then wouldn't the Cayman share the same? production economies of scale wise.

I just can’t see the point of an EV sports car - it’s missing all the ingredients: lightness, sound track, interaction with controls… I’m interested to see what Porsche will do as I live in hope but …

Does anyone have any info pricing or otherwise on the new Cayman EV? I visited my local Porsche Centre earlier this week but came away non the wiser. Sales man said that they have no real information other than what is available online and that they get their info in the same way that Joe Public does. Surely someone further up the food chain should have some info by now. He did say that he expects it to come in at around £20k above the price of the current Cayman as the Macan is at a similar price point. He did of course offer to sell me a Macan which I declined. This will be my first new Porsche and I am just not comfortable putting money down on a car that I have no real information on yet.

Wouldn't be surprised if it never happens. The whole EV thing is falling apart.

nutsyH said: Wouldn't be surprised if it never happens. The whole EV thing is falling apart. Totally, so hard for car manufacturers who have to plan years in advance. I think it will come, it’s too late in the product dev. Lifecycle not to…But 80% of cars sold have to be electric in 6 years time, it’s totally nuts and dreamland. Big changes to come…If you’re buying your first Porsche buy a nice Cayman GTS and you won’t go far wrong

SpyderMatt said: nutsyH said: Wouldn't be surprised if it never happens. The whole EV thing is falling apart. Totally, so hard for car manufacturers who have to plan years in advance. I think it will come, it’s too late in the product dev. Lifecycle not to…But 80% of cars sold have to be electric in 6 years time, it’s totally nuts and dreamland. Big changes to come…If you’re buying your first Porsche buy a nice Cayman GTS and you won’t go far wrong Yep, I think certain zev mandate targets will soon get kicked into the long grass like the 2030 ice ban as the net zero nonsense reality finally starts to bite.

20k more ! So the basic one would be 70 k Frankly I’ve given up I’ve got a 2021 cayman which is great ( I know what people say about the F4 ) but it’s a great car Brand new it was 46k with a discount But th tee is a line eg 70k for a 5 series Maybe 80k for a cayman by the time you have a nice colour decent seats etc it’s just not value I’ve just extended my warranty for 3 years which seems far better value than a new one

What’s the point of a fully electric sports car?

GT4RS said: What’s the point of a fully electric sports car? If they manage to sort out the handling then why not? I have a Cayman GTS and prefer the handling over a regular 911. The only thing that lets the 718 down is the rather dated interior, it hasn’t really changed much since the 981. If the new Cayman EV has the more modern interior like the 992 then I’m pretty sure that I will put my money down. Unfortunately the salesman/order taker had no information whatsoever.

surely a hybrid would have been better? small, high revving engine and electric motor to boost and drive around town...

Having looked a 718s and settled (for now) on a 981 to replace my 987.2, I'm really interested to see how this develops. I'm not averse to an electric Cayman/Boxster; if it combined an electric motor with a manual gearbox and 3 pedals to provide similar driver interaction to the ICE cars, I'm up for it. It probably won't though, I'm sure it'll be like a smaller, lighter Taycan.

AndrewGP said: I'm not averse to an electric Cayman/Boxster; if it combined an electric motor with a manual gearbox and 3 pedals to provide similar driver interaction to the ICE cars, I'm up for it. It probably won't though, I'm sure it'll be like a smaller, lighter Taycan. You aren’t going to get an electric car with a manual box just yet imo. A smaller lighter Taycan would be almost ideal if they can sort out the handling. Gentian blue, decent alcantara interior and the hottest going, longest battery version and I’m in.

nutsyH said: Wouldn't be surprised if it never happens. The whole EV thing is falling apart. +1 Bye bye Betamax.

GT4RS said: What’s the point of a fully electric sports car? I am completely with you on this . I was at a Ferrari Dealership last week where we were discussing fitting voice boxes to EVs in order to replicate the sound of a V12 . Imagine the early days of the ICE and Henry Ford stood trying to get the Model T to sound more like a Horse . Complete madness .

reddiesel said: GT4RS said: What’s the point of a fully electric sports car? I am completely with you on this . I was at a Ferrari Dealership last week where we were discussing fitting voice boxes to EVs in order to replicate the sound of a V12 . Imagine the early days of the ICE and Henry Ford stood trying to get the Model T to sound more like a Horse . Complete madness . I guess the new electric porsche cayman will be targeting a different market. I always thought two of the the main joys of owning a sports car was how it feels to drive and how it sounds. Personally I couldn’t care less if it can get to 60mph in 2 seconds or less and apparently saves the planet. Ev will end up killing the sports car market.

The 718 EV so so far behind that I doubt that it'll show it's face this year. I spoke to my SA last week and he said they've no idea when it will be released but they do know that the 982 platform will still be available until the end of '24 however there most probably won't be a mid life facelift. The only thing I can see them doing is adding cruise and/or speed limit display as standard given the new speed limiting legislation in the UK from July '24. Obviously the price will increase..... it is Porsche afterall.

Considering the Taycan has set the standard for a well sorted engaging BEV I don’t see why Porsche would fail to do the same with the 718 EV? Don’t get me wrong, I love my 718 GTS 4.0 but considering the magic Porsche have done with the Macan and Cayenne I doubt they’ll drop the ball on the next gen 718. I’d be interested in what they do with a hybrid 911. T1b

trumpton7291 said: Yep, I think certain zev mandate targets will soon get kicked into the long grass like the 2030 ice ban as the net zero nonsense reality finally starts to bite. Ha. Naaa

Belfast Bap said: ... A smaller lighter Taycan would be almost ideal if they can sort out the handling. I haven’t yet driven an EV Taycan. What problems did you find with the handling, please?

scrounger73 said: The 718 EV so so far behind that I doubt that it'll show it's face this year. I spoke to my SA last week and he said they've no idea when it will be released but they do know that the 982 platform will still be available until the end of '24 however there most probably won't be a mid life facelift. The only thing I can see them doing is adding cruise and/or speed limit display as standard given the new speed limiting legislation in the UK from July '24. Obviously the price will increase..... it is Porsche afterall. At what point is the manufacture of 718's impacted in Europe by the new cybersecurity laws? At a guess production will probably need to end for Europe alongside the NA Macans.

kalexan273 said: At what point is the manufacture of 718's impacted in Europe by the new cybersecurity laws? At a guess production will probably need to end for Europe alongside the NA Macans. I read that sales of Caymans and Boxsters in Europe, Japan, and South Korea will cease sometime this year. Apparently the cybersecurity regulations require investments so massive that developing the software for low volume car series isn't feasible. IIRC the reasons for the Macan's demise are slightly different, to do with the whole platform being discontinued, again because of the cybersec regulations.

Correction: Per Auto Motor Sport, the 718 GT4 RS and the "718 Boxster RS" (presumably the Spyder) will continue to be sold in these markets beyond 2024.

GT4RS said: reddiesel said: GT4RS said: What’s the point of a fully electric sports car? I am completely with you on this . I was at a Ferrari Dealership last week where we were discussing fitting voice boxes to EVs in order to replicate the sound of a V12 . Imagine the early days of the ICE and Henry Ford stood trying to get the Model T to sound more like a Horse . Complete madness . I guess the new electric porsche cayman will be targeting a different market. I always thought two of the the main joys of owning a sports car was how it feels to drive and how it sounds. Personally I couldn’t care less if it can get to 60mph in 2 seconds or less and apparently saves the planet. Ev will end up killing the sports car market. You are going to get hung,drawn & quartered saying things like like that but you are spot on , EV sports cars utterly pointless & no EV is saving the planet , its bailing out the Titanic with a tea cup

nutsyH said: Wouldn't be surprised if it never happens. The whole EV thing is falling apart. I definitively hope so. It's planned economy again and it will fail as it failed in the past.

D4rez said: trumpton7291 said: Yep, I think certain zev mandate targets will soon get kicked into the long grass like the 2030 ice ban as the net zero nonsense reality finally starts to bite. Ha. Naaa Ha Naaa ? have not both Ford & Mercedes said that current EV plans are unrealistic and they are changing tack & continuing ICE production , at last some intelligence is kicking in , net zero my arse

[quote=GT4RS]What’s the point of a fully electric sports car? None in my opinion, looks like my MY23 GT4 is going to be with me for a very very long time

Charlie_1 said: D4rez said: trumpton7291 said: Yep, I think certain zev mandate targets will soon get kicked into the long grass like the 2030 ice ban as the net zero nonsense reality finally starts to bite. Ha. Naaa Ha Naaa ? have not both Ford & Mercedes said that current EV plans are unrealistic and they are changing tack & continuing ICE production , at last some intelligence is kicking in , net zero my arse Sure but they’ll still be working to the 2035 timescales in the EU and UK. Not to mention the UKs ZEV mandate which gets more and more stringent each year. In fact Mercedes actually hit their 2024 UK target in 2023 a year early. Targets might change in the rest of world but you’ve got fat chance of seeing any of that here

D4rez said: Charlie_1 said: D4rez said: trumpton7291 said: Yep, I think certain zev mandate targets will soon get kicked into the long grass like the 2030 ice ban as the net zero nonsense reality finally starts to bite. Ha. Naaa Ha Naaa ? have not both Ford & Mercedes said that current EV plans are unrealistic and they are changing tack & continuing ICE production , at last some intelligence is kicking in , net zero my arse Sure but they’ll still be working to the 2035 timescales in the EU and UK. Not to mention the UKs ZEV mandate which gets more and more stringent each year. In fact Mercedes actually hit their 2024 UK target in 2023 a year early. Targets might change in the rest of world but you’ve got fat chance of seeing any of that here Sorry but what absolute bulls t +EU is 2040… https://www.sae.org/news/2023/03/european-ice-ban Edited by trumpton7291 on Monday 4th March 21:04

They will sell like hot cakes though. Opinion is bound to me biased on a forum like Pistonheads (and all it stands for)..but I think the Cayman EV will be an outstanding sales generator yet a woeful car to enthusiasts.

julian987R said: They will sell like hot cakes though. Opinion is bound to me biased on a forum like Pistonheads (and all it stands for)..but I think the Cayman EV will be an outstanding sales generator yet a woeful car to enthusiasts. Are you sure they will sell? Heavy EV sports cars with limited range can only go so far. Quite literally!

trumpton7291 said: D4rez said: Charlie_1 said: D4rez said: trumpton7291 said: Yep, I think certain zev mandate targets will soon get kicked into the long grass like the 2030 ice ban as the net zero nonsense reality finally starts to bite. Ha. Naaa Ha Naaa ? have not both Ford & Mercedes said that current EV plans are unrealistic and they are changing tack & continuing ICE production , at last some intelligence is kicking in , net zero my arse Sure but they’ll still be working to the 2035 timescales in the EU and UK. Not to mention the UKs ZEV mandate which gets more and more stringent each year. In fact Mercedes actually hit their 2024 UK target in 2023 a year early. Targets might change in the rest of world but you’ve got fat chance of seeing any of that here Sorry but what absolute bulls t +EU is 2040… https://www.sae.org/news/2023/03/european-ice-ban Edited by trumpton7291 on Monday 4th March 21:04 " The EU agreed to permit sales and registration of internal-combustion engine (ICE) models after the 2035 deadline — provided those vehicles operate only on carbon-neutral fuels, often generically referred to as ‘e-fuels.’ "

trumpton7291 said: julian987R said: They will sell like hot cakes though. Opinion is bound to me biased on a forum like Pistonheads (and all it stands for)..but I think the Cayman EV will be an outstanding sales generator yet a woeful car to enthusiasts. Are you sure they will sell? Heavy EV sports cars with limited range can only go so far. Quite literally! I can’t be certain but considering how many sheep have drunk the climate kool-aid then I reckon they could sell extremely well.

trumpton7291 said: Sorry but what absolute bulls t +EU is 2040… https://www.sae.org/news/2023/03/european-ice-ban Edited by trumpton7291 on Monday 4th March 21:04 It’s 2035 and the e-fuels have to be 100% climate neutral.. which by the way the European regulators mandated because it kept Germany happy but also made the allowance technically and commercially unworkable. Someone in a committee room in parliament had a lot of fun with that one

T1berious said: Considering the Taycan has set the standard for a well sorted engaging BEV I don’t see why Porsche would fail to do the same with the 718 EV? Don’t get me wrong, I love my 718 GTS 4.0 but considering the magic Porsche have done with the Macan and Cayenne I doubt they’ll drop the ball on the next gen 718. I’d be interested in what they do with a hybrid 911. T1b I hope they make it work but it would take literal magic to turn usual 2200kg+ EVs into an electric sports car weighing around 1500-1600kg. The tiny BMW i3 had to use a carbon tub to get its weight down and I don't see Porsche doing that with the Cayman platform due to cost

johnao said: Belfast Bap said: ... A smaller lighter Taycan would be almost ideal if they can sort out the handling. I haven’t yet driven an EV Taycan. What problems did you find with the handling, please? It could be just my driving style but I found that it under steered terribly when pushing it on. Yes it weighs over 2200KG but it was a bit of a handful. Lovely car when wafting on a nice A road and a brilliant cruiser, range aside but as most of my journeys are less than 25 miles each way and I have a great coastal road I like to push on a bit when the conditions allowed and I found the Taycan sadly lacking. I just couldn’t get it to hook up in the same way that I can in other cars on the same road. Hopefully the Cayman EV will be different.

If it’s anything like this I’m in. Already have a charger installed at home and we have plenty in work. https://www.exhaustnotes.com.au/porsche-showcases-...

I'm not a fan of EVs. I wouldn't have one if you paid me. And, as for paying a lot of money for a luxury good - a second car, that's meant for fun, on an automatic only EV? You must be joking! Trump may get in this November. If he does, he says he's going to allow manufacturers to offer both EVs and ICEs throughout his administration and maybe beyond, depending who replaces him. He's not having any of this 80% by a certain date tosh. Then we'll see what the manufacturers do. Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 4th April 19:26

Johnny5hoods said: I'm not a fan of EVs. I wouldn't have one if you paid me. And, as for paying a lot of money for a luxury good - a second car, that's meant for fun, on an automatic only EV? You must be joking! Trump may get in this November. If he does, he says he's going to allow manufacturers to offer both EVs and ICEs throughout his administration and maybe beyond, depending who replaces him. He's not having any of this 80% by a certain date tosh. Then we'll see what the manufacturers do. Edited by Johnny5hoods on Thursday 4th April 19:26 Manufacturers are already adjusting and rolling back their EV targets. I see the current implementation of BEVs only being responsible for 10-20% of future personal cars in the West and even less worldwide

Belfast Bap said: If it’s anything like this I’m in. Already have a charger installed at home and we have plenty in work. https://www.exhaustnotes.com.au/porsche-showcases-... It won't be anything like that. Going by the latest spy shots this week it hasn't changed notably. The front grill is like that of the forthcoming 992.2 - looks odd in my opinion. Perhaps the interior might be where the step change is with a mini Taycan dash interior vibe. https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2025-porsche-71...

Just please give us a decent I.e. 400+ mile range. Some old tech pos that dies in 170 miles (like the taycans) will be the end of the brand.

trumpton7291 said: Just please give us a decent I.e. 400+ mile range. Some old tech pos that dies in 170 miles (like the taycans) will be the end of the brand. Problem is (especially when it comes to EV's) you can't have it all. I think it was a Trek designer once said "Light, Strong, Cheap, pick two". With EV's we have an equivalent "Range, weight, price, pick two". Battery tech is improving but the game changing, higher density, solid state hasn't reached maturity enough to hit large scale production (as I understand it), so we'll have a scaled down Taycan Mk II for the 718 EV. Having recently driven a Taycan GTS Sport Turismo I can honestly say it was one of the most entertaining cars I've driven regardless of power train. However, I do appreciate that there's mixed messages from governments on EV adoption that is making life hard for manufacturers to guess which way they should be going... sigh especially considering the development times for these products.

I'm another that doesn't see the point of Ev sports cars. A sports car should be light and nimble with good power to weight. The anthesis of EV's Range wise isn't it a fact that calaimed figures are based on driving around like Miss Daisy? When driven hard EV's range drops dramatically.

Agree fully

Acorn1 said: I'm another that doesn't see the point of Ev sports cars. A sports car should be light and nimble with good power to weight. The anthesis of EV's Range wise isn't it a fact that calaimed figures are based on driving around like Miss Daisy? When driven hard EV's range drops dramatically. +1

Personally I’m another that won’t be buying an EV . At 60 years of age I hope the ICE will see me into the grave .

trumpton7291 said: julian987R said: They will sell like hot cakes though. Opinion is bound to me biased on a forum like Pistonheads (and all it stands for)..but I think the Cayman EV will be an outstanding sales generator yet a woeful car to enthusiasts. Are you sure they will sell? Heavy EV sports cars with limited range can only go so far. Quite literally! Where are all these light ICE sportscars? I can only think of one and it isn't a Porsche.

Belfast Bap said: johnao said: Belfast Bap said: ... A smaller lighter Taycan would be almost ideal if they can sort out the handling. I haven’t yet driven an EV Taycan. What problems did you find with the handling, please? It could be just my driving style but I found that it under steered terribly when pushing it on. Yes it weighs over 2200KG but it was a bit of a handful. Lovely car when wafting on a nice A road and a brilliant cruiser, range aside but as most of my journeys are less than 25 miles each way and I have a great coastal road I like to push on a bit when the conditions allowed and I found the Taycan sadly lacking. I just couldn’t get it to hook up in the same way that I can in other cars on the same road. Hopefully the Cayman EV will be different. That’s interesting. I have had the same issues with each of the EVs I’ve driven; BMW; Tesla; Peugeot. I think you are probably correct when you say these issues are a result of driving style. Mr & Mrs average driver are not inclined to push on or drive enthusiastically, so EVs are fine if the driver is content to pootle along and/or head to the nearest motorway when driving any distance. But, I have found that the handling characteristics of the EV cars I’ve driven have been hopeless because of all the battery weight on board. As you say, understeer is the most noticeable characteristic, but not the only one. I suspect that accurate weight management (hooking up is a good way of describing this) is going to be an insurmountable problem for EV drivers who want to drive in a spirited style.

T1berious said: Problem is (especially when it comes to EV's) you can't have it all. I think it was a Trek designer once said "Light, Strong, Cheap, pick two". With EV's we have an equivalent "Range, weight, price, pick two". Battery tech is improving but the game changing, higher density, solid state hasn't reached maturity enough to hit large scale production (as I understand it), so we'll have a scaled down Taycan Mk II for the 718 EV. Having recently driven a Taycan GTS Sport Turismo I can honestly say it was one of the most entertaining cars I've driven regardless of power train. However, I do appreciate that there's mixed messages from governments on EV adoption that is making life hard for manufacturers to guess which way they should be going... sigh especially considering the development times for these products. Why would the manufacturers have to rely on any sort of messaging from governments, surely they should just produce a great product regardless. Or are it implying that manufacturers should have to rely on the government forcing consumers to buy products (EVs) that are substandard in almost every application?

PinkHouse said: Why would the manufacturers have to rely on any sort of messaging from governments, surely they should just produce a great product regardless. Or are it implying that manufacturers should have to rely on the government forcing consumers to buy products (EVs) that are substandard in almost every application? Government controls them, the Mustang Mach E was cobbled together, so government would let them sell the 5.0. No Ev version, no 5.0. No doubt Porsche are in the same boat, no ev, no GT3 or whatever. They just need sheep to buy them.

Well here's the EV Boxster 'competition'... https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... With a weight of Trophy 2110kg; GT 2210kg . Edited by jimbo761 on Thursday 25th April 16:59

jimbo761 said: Well here's the EV Boxster 'competition'... https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... With a weight of Trophy 2110kg; GT 2210kg . Edited by jimbo761 on Thursday 25th April 16:59 Not really because dont bank on the new Boxster being less than a 90k start

T1berious said: Problem is (especially when it comes to EV's) you can't have it all. I think it was a Trek designer once said "Light, Strong, Cheap, pick two". With EV's we have an equivalent "Range, weight, price, pick two". More like pick one. You want range? It's gonna be heavy and expensive. You want light? The range is gonna be crap. And it'll still still be expensive! You want cheap? Don't worry about the other factors, the car's gonna be crap anyway!

craigjm said: Not really because dont bank on the new Boxster being less than a 90k start I would. Base 718 is £51K. Base ICE Macan is £54K. New EV Macan is £69K. Base 911 is £97K. Now I know the 992.2 will be more, but £90K-plus for the base EV Boxster is too high, too close to the 911 and too big a jump over the ICE model. Currently, the base 718 is cheaper than the base Macan ICE. That would imply the base 718 EV will be less than the base Macan EV. Which would put it well under £70k. It may turn out more expensive than that, but I'd still be surprised if it was much more than £75K base. £80K absolute maximum. But I suspect it will be at least 1,700kg and the range will be mediocre on paper and awful if you actually drive like a sports car - sub 150 miles genuinely usable ragging it range and arriving at the charger with 40 odd miles spare just in case you need to move on to the next charger. I think the appeal will be limited, even if you like the basic idea of an EV sports car. Personally think if anything EV sports cars need better range than normal EVs. You need enough margin to retain decent range when you wring the piss out of it, which absolutely hammers range. And you want enough range to drive somewhere remote and some of the way back, where the good roads are but charging stations are slim to none. I'd want one with a claimed range of minimum 500 miles that did 300 miles when you drove it hard (which in reality means 250 miles usable range, because you're not going to make a habit of rolling up to a charging station with zero miles left). We're probably 15 years away from that being possible with a sports car-ish kerb weight.

jamsp00n said: craigjm said: Not really because dont bank on the new Boxster being less than a 90k start I would. Base 718 is £51K. Base ICE Macan is £54K. New EV Macan is £69K. Base 911 is £97K. Now I know the 992.2 will be more, but £90K-plus for the base EV Boxster is too high, too close to the 911 and too big a jump over the ICE model. Currently, the base 718 is cheaper than the base Macan ICE. That would imply the base 718 EV will be less than the base Macan EV. Which would put it well under £70k. It may turn out more expensive than that, but I'd still be surprised if it was much more than £75K base. £80K absolute maximum. But I suspect it will be at least 1,700kg and the range will be mediocre on paper and awful if you actually drive like a sports car - sub 150 miles genuinely usable ragging it range and arriving at the charger with 40 odd miles spare just in case you need to move on to the next charger. I think the appeal will be limited, even if you like the basic idea of an EV sports car. Personally think if anything EV sports cars need better range than normal EVs. You need enough margin to retain decent range when you wring the piss out of it, which absolutely hammers range. And you want enough range to drive somewhere remote and some of the way back, where the good roads are but charging stations are slim to none. I'd want one with a claimed range of minimum 500 miles that did 300 miles when you drove it hard (which in reality means 250 miles usable range, because you're not going to make a habit of rolling up to a charging station with zero miles left). We're probably 15 years away from that being possible with a sports car-ish kerb weight. If the weight ends up being 1700kg I'll be impressed, I predict more like 1900 - 2000kg. Tesla seems to be the only one currently with a handle on optimising EV drivetrains. The standard Model 3 weighs around 1600kg, that's what other manufacturers should be aiming for. I wish they would licence and sell their platform to other manufacturers who can then come up with more appealing exterior designs

PinkHouse said: I wish they would licence and sell their platform to other manufacturers who can then come up with more appealing exterior designs Their interiors aren’t that desirable either. One thing that I did like about the Taycan was the interior, it was a nice place to be, I’ve never thought that when I’ve been in any Tesla. Anyway my money is down on the Cayman and I’m expecting a £70k ish starting point.

Porsche will have their work cut out if the starting price is circa £ 90k.... This looks quite nice and the base one is just over £ 50k..... New MG Cyberster https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbTXrhA5DJ0

PinkHouse said: If the weight ends up being 1700kg I'll be impressed, I predict more like 1900 - 2000kg. Tesla seems to be the only one currently with a handle on optimising EV drivetrains. The standard Model 3 weighs around 1600kg, that's what other manufacturers should be aiming for. I wish they would licence and sell their platform to other manufacturers who can then come up with more appealing exterior designs Facelift base Taycan is 2,090kg DIN with the smaller 89kWh (gross) / 82.3kWh (usable) pack. Think the Boxster EV pack will be a bit smaller than that, maybe 70-something kWh, and the rest of the car lighter, too, so can't see how the Boxster EV is going to be 2,000kg in that context. I'd guess 1,800kg max before options etc and I'd expect 1,700-and-something will be the quoted figure for the basic car. For what it's worth, Tesla UK site says the Model 3 base is 1,765kg, doesn't say if that's DIN or EU. That's with a 60kWh pack with 318 mile WLTP range. That said, the new Macan EV is a ridiculous porker at 2,330kg DIN for the Macan 4. OK, it's on a shared platform and has a 100kWh pack, but what a lump. So, you may be right, 1,900kg or more not impossible. But you'd hope Porsche has put in a bit more effort than that. Anyway, if you take the Taycan as opposed to the Macan as the reference point, I think there's at least some hope that the Boxster EV won't be a total bloater.

Harry M garage weighed the latest model 3 on the scales at 1850kg IIRC

jimbo761 said: Well here's the EV Boxster 'competition'... https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... With a weight of Trophy 2110kg; GT 2210kg . That was apparently the Maximum Gross Weight. The same thread claimed an empty weight of "1,850 kg - 1,985 kg according to the interwebs." Edited by CanAm on Saturday 27th April 07:42

The 983 Boxster spied again a few weeks back

Dealer Leak Says Porsche 718 Cayman, Boxster Will End Production in 2025 https://www.thedrive.com/news/dealer-leak-says-por...

2025 Porsche 718 Boxster EV - Latest spy shots of the interior. The interior pics also reveal 252 kilometers of driving range, meaning 157 miles. The slightly curved line under the 252 on the digital instrument cluster indicates a nearly full battery. More info at https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2025-porsche-71...

I can’t see it having 160 miles of range that’s hits not going to make it attractive at all

For some people 160 miles is a full year mileage.

I'm no EV fan (especially for sports cars) but I assume the range would be calculated the same way as currently, i.e. rag the car for a bit and the range will be shocking, then recover as your driving settles down. Could easily be something similar, the driver was using all the power recently and depleted the range heavily

Or Porsche is going for a smaller battery to make it handle better? A big battery tends to lead to a car like the Taycan and they already have that.

I would have expected it to have at least 200 miles, but I guess they have an eye on the weight.

craigjm said: I can’t see it having 160 miles of range that’s hits not going to make it attractive at all The loons in the EV thread will be telling us that is plenty totally missing the point again that average mileage is irrelevant if you need to do one longer trip / European tour.

Dunbar871 said: The loons in the EV thread will be telling us that is plenty totally missing the point again that average mileage is irrelevant if you need to do one longer trip / European tour. I think that’s just your imagination, but we know there are quite a few fantasists on here. I don’t think ev suits sports cars. Maybe if all you do is pootle around locally. But I did a few road trips to Italy in my old Boxster and ev would make that more difficult, less spontaneous. Be interesting to see what this finally looks like, the range, and how it sells.

The laptop UI, wires all over the place and horrible dash covering will hit sales too. (It's a pre-prod car being tested, you don't know what it's just been doing, what battery it is carrying, or even whether those readouts on the dash are correct. Massive conclusion jumping.)

otolith said: The laptop UI, wires all over the place and horrible dash covering will hit sales too. (It's a pre-prod car being tested, you don't know what it's just been doing, what battery it is carrying, or even whether those readouts on the dash are correct. Massive conclusion jumping.) Well there no way I'm buying a car that has a guy in chino's in the drivers seat, how am I supposed to drive it when he's there!

otolith said: The laptop UI, wires all over the place and horrible dash covering will hit sales too. (It's a pre-prod car being tested, you don't know what it's just been doing, what battery it is carrying, or even whether those readouts on the dash are correct. Massive conclusion jumping.) Bet the end result is not far off. Most of that interior looks refined. Ghastly, but refined. Suspect they have completed tooling and what you see there is it. As to the readouts, it’s a full battery - makes no odds of what’s happened upto that point. If it wasn’t full, sure. They ain’t going to come out with a 500+ range per charge. What the picture suggests is very likely the end result in my opinion….which seemingly looks like a 992+Taycan lovechild for the dash and centre column.

limpsfield said: I don’t think ev suits sports cars. Maybe if all you do is pootle around locally. But I did a few road trips to Italy in my old Boxster and ev would make that more difficult, less spontaneous. Would agree with this. The excess weight and limited range is not exactly conducive to track days either. But no doubt an eco-loon will be along shortly to tell us 2+2=5, the moon is always full, and EVs are the magic bullet...

KittyLitter said: As to the readouts, it’s a full battery - makes no odds of what’s happened upto that point. If it wasn’t full, sure. If all its recent mileage has been being hammered round a test track, and the range it is estimating on its full battery is on the assumption that it will continue to be hammered round a test track, of course it makes a difference. It also makes a difference if the information the thing is displaying is garbage because the systems that will populate that bit of the dash aren't finished yet.

As other have echoed and frankly regardless of range I don’t see the attractiveness of a BEV sportscar. I am puzzled as per why Porsche is not running an ICE version alongside to hedge their bets….

KittyLitter said: 2025 Porsche 718 Boxster EV - Latest spy shots of the interior. The interior pics also reveal 252 kilometers of driving range, meaning 157 miles. The slightly curved line under the 252 on the digital instrument cluster indicates a nearly full battery. . Doesn't look to me like the battery gauge is showing a full charge (not seeing a % doesn't help) based on the charge line design being symetrical (Germans like symmetry) I'd say the full range is closer to 300-350km, though that dash and charge graphics look different to the Taycan. All the photo shows is that the cars current charge has a range of 252km left, based on the driving style at the time.

n1colas said: As other have echoed and frankly regardless of range I don’t see the attractiveness of a BEV sportscar. I am puzzled as per why Porsche is not running an ICE version alongside to hedge their bets…. They might do or at least have the car engineered to be able to do so if required like the Fiat 500e

Last year dealers had evidently been told there will be powertrain options, likely to include electric, hybrid and/or ICE. May or may not still be the case, but introducing a sports car as EV only would be a "courageous" move, to borrow a euphemism from Yes, Minister. To repeat the Taycan experiment would be a clear demostration of learning difficulties. Not they are not great, but 2 very close colleagues have them, and it's a whole different new Porsche ownership experience to my own. Both are extremely happy to have them on reduced tax salary sacrifice leases, because the leasing company is almost definitely going to catch a cold when resale time comes. Whatever is in the range, I'll be really surprised if the electric version isn't the "flagship", with the highest performance.

At what point will Porsche realise pure performance (speed and acceleration) are not the hooks that buyers want. The electric Cayman & Boxster are just a more concentrated 4 cylinder sized issue for them. I’m sure it will appeal to the many, just not any of the purists and long term owners. Also do they have a plan b for US sales, they seem less interested in electric cars and would want range as a buying point, if the US is an expanding sales market it would be suicide to go down an electric only model range.

I believe the plan B is called 911. I'm sure the Cayman EV came about at the height of EVness at the start of the decade but they are in fairness playing around with models that aren't strong sellers anyhow. With this they have a sports car that has nothing to do with the 911, probably a better idea than the Cayman and Boxster as previously devised, and it can reach new markets and buyers and give Porsche access to some nice government funded tax rebates.

craigjm said: n1colas said: As other have echoed and frankly regardless of range I don’t see the attractiveness of a BEV sportscar. I am puzzled as per why Porsche is not running an ICE version alongside to hedge their bets…. They might do or at least have the car engineered to be able to do so if required like the Fiat 500e I have literally zero interest in an EV sports car and I don't really understand who the market for this is going to be (especially given the market for a 2 seater sports car is already tiny!) But maybe in the grand scheme of things we are actually the minority and most people just care about it being a Porsche and fast....... they must have done their research

OPOGTS said: I have literally zero interest in an EV sports car and I don't really understand who the market for this is going to be (especially given the market for a 2 seater sports car is already tiny!) But maybe in the grand scheme of things we are actually the minority and most people just care about it being a Porsche and fast....... they must have done their research They want to continue selling sports cars post-ICE, I guess, and are getting their hand in now.

We’ll clearly see the net zero virtue signalling bulls t targets kicked back into the long grass in due course so would imagine they’ll keep their ICE options open for ‘certain’ markets…

DMZ said: I believe the plan B is called 911. If you look at the mules, it seems pretty clear it's based on the same architecture as the 992. It has the 992 bonnet for sure, 992 wing mirrors, looks like 992 dash architecture and door cards / inner door structure etc. It's very probably like the 996/986, 997/987, 991/981/982, in other words a single modular platform for all sports car variants, in this case shared with the 992. Point being, plan B if there is a plan B will be a mid-engine ICE car on the same 992-based platform. They won't need to tool up a whole new car to do an ICE version of the 'mid-engine' car on the 992 platform. Think there's a pretty good chance they already have something fairly well worked out for that eventuality should they decide to pull the trigger. Hopefully not with the F4! I think for markets where the EV is a non starter, the F6 will be fine / make more sense, no need for the F4, which made sense in markets where the EV version will now be aimed at. There's also no way the EV car will have a sub-200 mile official range. Doubtful it would be sub 250 mile, let alone circa 150 miles. That's for WLTP and similar / gentle driving. Obviously if you rag the tits off it, it's a whole different ballgame. Personally I would expect the WLTP to be somewhere between high 200s at absolute minimum and likely over 300 into the low 300s somewhere. Ignore the numbers on the mule car's dash, not a remotely reliable indicator of the car's range. There are a million and one reasons why it won't be representative.

I’m really interested to see what Porsche take on an EV sports car will be. I have zero interest in an EV weekend fun car, but I live in hope for when ICE are taxed/insurance hiked off the road

f6box said: DMZ said: I believe the plan B is called 911. If you look at the mules, it seems pretty clear it's based on the same architecture as the 992. It has the 992 bonnet for sure, 992 wing mirrors, looks like 992 dash architecture and door cards / inner door structure etc. It's very probably like the 996/986, 997/987, 991/981/982, in other words a single modular platform for all sports car variants, in this case shared with the 992. Point being, plan B if there is a plan B will be a mid-engine ICE car on the same 992-based platform. They won't need to tool up a whole new car to do an ICE version of the 'mid-engine' car on the 992 platform. Think there's a pretty good chance they already have something fairly well worked out for that eventuality should they decide to pull the trigger. Hopefully not with the F4! I think for markets where the EV is a non starter, the F6 will be fine / make more sense, no need for the F4, which made sense in markets where the EV version will now be aimed at. There's also no way the EV car will have a sub-200 mile official range. Doubtful it would be sub 250 mile, let alone circa 150 miles. That's for WLTP and similar / gentle driving. Obviously if you rag the tits off it, it's a whole different ballgame. Personally I would expect the WLTP to be somewhere between high 200s at absolute minimum and likely over 300 into the low 300s somewhere. Ignore the numbers on the mule car's dash, not a remotely reliable indicator of the car's range. There are a million and one reasons why it won't be representative. I'd argue the number on the dash is usually more indicative of reality than any quoted WLTP range. EV drivers don't ignore the number on the dash and plan their charge stops around WLTP range

If it’s an EV that looks like a 992 and drives a bit like it, I could be interested. Seems unlikely that they would compete directly with the 911, though.

What possible reason would make anyone buy an EV sports car...if the choice was EV or nothing I'd choose nothing.

Absolutely zero interest and can’t understand how it would even pass the so what test Looks like my GT4 is going to be with me for a very very long time but what’s not to like about that

Klippie said: What possible reason would make anyone buy an EV sports car...if the choice was EV or nothing I'd choose nothing. Fortunately (?) petrol-engined cars will be around as long as I am, so not my problem. But for our younger readers the choice will probably be EV or nothing. When it comes to the crunch I'm sure they'll choose an EV sports car over whatever the bread and butter cars of the day turn out to be.

CanAm said: Klippie said: What possible reason would make anyone buy an EV sports car...if the choice was EV or nothing I'd choose nothing. Fortunately (?) petrol-engined cars will be around as long as I am, so not my problem. But for our younger readers the choice will probably be EV or nothing. When it comes to the crunch I'm sure they'll choose an EV sports car over whatever the bread and butter cars of the day turn out to be. Exactly. If you are over 50 then all of this drive to EV is not about you. It’s likely anyone born since 2020 will never drive an ICE car and they will be the equivalent of a steam engine for us. You don’t miss what you’ve never had. PH is totally the wrong demographic and because this is, as the kids would say, an ancient platform it’s likely there are very few people under 30 on here and that’s the generation in the middle that will be really impacted

craigjm said: CanAm said: Klippie said: What possible reason would make anyone buy an EV sports car...if the choice was EV or nothing I'd choose nothing. Fortunately (?) petrol-engined cars will be around as long as I am, so not my problem. But for our younger readers the choice will probably be EV or nothing. When it comes to the crunch I'm sure they'll choose an EV sports car over whatever the bread and butter cars of the day turn out to be. Exactly. If you are over 50 then all of this drive to EV is not about you. It’s likely anyone born since 2020 will never drive an ICE car and they will be the equivalent of a steam engine for us. You don’t miss what you’ve never had. PH is totally the wrong demographic and because this is, as the kids would say, an ancient platform it’s likely there are very few people under 30 on here and that’s the generation in the middle that will be really impacted This is going to age as well as those predictions that the Maldives would be underwater by the year 2000 due to rising sea levels

They are building a new runway too, obviously worried about the see level rising. Climate scam.

PinkHouse said: I'd argue the number on the dash is usually more indicative of reality than any quoted WLTP range. EV drivers don't ignore the number on the dash and plan their charge stops around WLTP range That would be true up to a point if it was a production car. But even if it was a production car, the number can vary massively depending on how the car is driven. 160 miles of range on a full charge when driven really, really hard means over 300 miles of range driven "normally". But that's really all irrelevant because it's a development car and we have no idea whether the battery, management electronics, regen profiles etc in that car are remotely representative of the final car. There are countless variables. We don't even know if the coding for the range estimation is representative of the final car. Anyway, there's no way Porsche is going to market the car with a sub 250 mile WLTP range. The Boxster EV will not be a car that typically quotes 160 miles of full-charge range.

I think it will sell fine actually. Probably 80%-90% of people who buy cayman/boxsters/911 buy for the feel good factor and image. Given how quite the latest gen cars are and the mass preference for PDK/auto , for most going EV won’t make any difference aside from increased performance in a straight line with the instant torque off the line. For the ‘enthusiast’ it’s no mostly .

I guess I am even more exceptional than I thought! I would buy an open top two seat EV sportscar... We currently have a Boxster, Miata, 996 cab, XKR coupe and Model Y. The Model Y gets used for the vast majority of transport as it costs peanuts to run, is reliable and requires very little maintenance. The soft tops are for pleasure and touring. Although I am sure there are occasions when I would miss the soundtrack, a near silent EV is anonymous and doesn't attract attention when being hooned about. There is also something serene about an EV that lends itself to touring when the goal is to spend time with someone while immersed in the evolving scenery. My `application' might be better addressed by an EV version of a Merc SL or XKR convertible rather than an EV variant of a Boxster, but the sooner it is released, the sooner it is available depreciated on the used market. Provided it can comfortable do 250miles on a charge, it would be practical (for me). Bring it on.

Couldn’t think of anything I’d rather not do tbh, driving round in silence.

ShortBeardy said: I guess I am even more exceptional than I thought! I would buy an open top two seat EV sportscar... Exceptional but not unique. I'll definitely consider an EV sports coupe as they start to come of age. I'm 57, and it might conceivably be while I can still enjoy a spirited track day or A-road drive. A rally car engineer said something to me about 20 years ago that I think quite far-sighted in retrospect. All the drivers are saying they'll never have one because of the noise, but when they find themselves getting in the way of an electric rally car on a special stage, it will be the only thing they want. I don't think they are quite there yet, but necessity is the mother of invention. They will become good enough that people want them. I'll probably give it a couple of years after that before considering taking the plunge. Liam

It’ll probably come right eventually, once we are several generations further down with the battery technology- solid state etc. Think we’re still a way off . I’ll miss manual boxes and the flat 6 sound though :-( However what will probably ‘kill’ the sports car market is not the EV/ICE debate but the increasing electronic speed warnings/limiters coming in via EU law combined with unregulated insurance companies who will be pushing harder and harder for black boxes as insurance prices keep rising. I’m in my 50s so it’s not really an issue as I should hopefully be good to be able to drive older ICE cars before they are taxed off the roads Edited by bosshog on Thursday 1st August 06:45

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^^ render based on spy shots of camouflaged mules.

That looks really lovely.

otolith said: ^^ render based on spy shots of camouflaged mules. Yes. Looks good doesnt it.

otolith said: ^^ render based on spy shots of camouflaged mules. 'It doesn’t really match the most recent spy shots we have seen of the new Porsche. Let’s hope it ends up looking much nicer than this illustration. Knowing Porsche, it probably will…' https://burlappcar.com/2024/08/2025-porsche-718.ht... I'd imagine it will look exactly like in this latest Boxster EV video but with a roof... Start from 20 secs in....

That’s what it’s described as on the site that a reverse image search returned. I think it’s probably closer than the usual AutoExpress art department / summer intern job, but not by much.

otolith said: That’s what it’s described as on the site that a reverse image search returned. I think it’s probably closer than the usual AutoExpress art department / summer intern job, but not by much. Not long to wait! That recent video is interesting to hear the sound of it.