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YOUR RESEARCHHelp!! 1998 911 Porsche in full lock down
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Reconnect battery and the car came
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I smashed the window climbed into the car put the key into the ignition reconnected the battery and the car came to life started drove no problems.
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Disconnected and reconnected the negative lead from battery to "reset" the body control module
Replace batteries in both keys ( neither key works)
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changed the the batteries in both keys ( neither key works)
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removed recharged and replaced the battery to ensure the battery had a full 12 volts
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I used the emergency pull cables to get into both compartments.
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No, I had a car accident in the car I was driving in lieu of the Porsche so I had to accelerate the Porsche repair which meant I just had to get it done.
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Tempted to get in my car lock it without the sensors on and try to open the door although my cars in an underground garage at work so its not a good look if I set the alarm off...
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Some had to replace the immobilizer and alarm module and have it completely reprogrammed by Porsche just to get the car back to normal.
Hi all,
I am looking for some help prior to having to take some drastic action! I have returned from a two week holiday, I went to get the Porsche out to give it a wash prior to returning to work and the doors wouldn't open!!! Here is a list of things I have tried based on similar scenarios I have seen on the net:
changed the the batteries in both keys ( neither key works)
tried opening the car with the key - would not open
tried to activate the door release button on the key whilst it was in the lock - both in full clockwise and anti clockwise positions
put jump pack power straight into mains connection in the engine compartment
Disconnected and reconnected the negative lead from battery to "reset" the body control module
removed recharged and replaced the battery to ensure the battery had a full 12 volts
had a Porsche specialist attend the car who tried the above but could not gain entry into the car
Joined road side assist and had them attend to "break into" the car. They managed to hook the interior drivers side door handle but the door would not open
The next step is to break a window but before I do that has anyone got any other suggestions that might help???
I am getting desperate!
thanks
Nigel
How'd you get both the engine compartment and the "frunk" open without opening the drivers side door? Have you been able to open the drivers door with the key prior to this time? The key should work to open the door, unless the lock/mechanism is physically broken. Did lock cylinder turn - if not maybe it's frozen? Have you had cold weather while you've been away? Good luck
"Tried opening the car with the key - would not open" does not make sense as dporto pointed out. It sounds like something has stuck/frozen/rusted in place. I hope the roadside assistant didn't screw things up with his slimjim...
"How'd you get both the engine compartment and the "frunk" open without opening the drivers side door? Have you been able to open the drivers door with the key prior to this time? The key should work to open the door, unless the lock/mechanism is physically broken. Did lock cylinder turn - if not maybe it's frozen? Have you had cold weather while you've been away? Good luck"
I used the emergency pull cables to get into both compartments. the key rotates in the lock in both directions with the key but the locking mechanism does not activate on rotation.
That is the really frustrating thing, none of it makes sense!!!
Road side assist managed to pump the window out with an air pillow and use a hook to get on to the internal door latch. The latch fully extended but the door did not open.... again
I once suggested the same thing..then someone more observant than me pointed out there is no keyhole on the passenger door...I'd never noticed before either!
Hmmmm... not looking too good. Was the car outside? Heavy rain? It's possible that if the alarm module got wet (clogged drain tubes?) you could have a short circuit that's keeping the car locked down.
OP, why not do us all a favor and post some pictures of this car in it's current state. This is a highly unusual story. What's strange is being able to access the frunk and rear hood without accessing the inside of the car. I have to open the rear hood from inside, remove the rear driver side light, just to get to the emergency cable. Which is a joke btw.... can you imagine if it was a real emergency. hahaha.
It seems the car is electronically immobilized which is usually remedied by using the key FOBs, but if the car is in full shut down mode and the FOBs are not working properly, your only option may be towing it to a Porsche service center that has experience with the security/immobilizer modules.
If you haven't already done so, reroute it down near the driver-side exhaust and zip tie it up in an accessible but out of the way location. On one occasion the cable popped out of the release mechanism; if I hadn't already relocated the manual release cable, trying to fish it out from behind the taillight with the trunk closed would have sucked...
Ellsie comes to Rennlist and his first post is for urgent advice, but doesn't follow up in two days? Prolly trying to steal the car which would explain why its in full lockdown mode. Ha!
I'd be willing to bet that its a coincidental failure of both the physical drivers door mechanism and the control module. The mechanical drivers door mechanism is failing to open the door and the module is failing to open the passenger door.
Can the doors be opened from within the car when its locked? If so the OP's only choice is to slim jim the passenger door to get in.
Tempted to get in my car lock it without the sensors on and try to open the door although my cars in an underground garage at work so its not a good look if I set the alarm off...
I willin' to bet (due to the quick exit and lack of follow up posts/pics), this guy is prolly trying to access a car that doesn't belong to him. Ha!
I hope he proves me wrong!
I see you're a proponent of single-use solutions. I have always preferred the multi-use solution in case the first application does not completely rectify the problem at hand...
Hi all,
Sorry all, I have been in a mixed sate of frustration, aggression and depression.
I spent last Saturday going through all of the suggested entry strategies again to no avail.
I purchased a second hand drivers side window yesterday, once that arrives the rock will come out and I will be inside the car! Fun fun fun!
YAY! Nigel lives! It's actually reassuring to hear from you. I was beginning to think that we were aiding and abetting a crime in progress. Love to see some pictures of the car. If the car is in immobilize state, they may be a tough situation to unlock based on some past experiences here on RL. Some had to replace the immobilizer and alarm module and have it completely reprogrammed by Porsche just to get the car back to normal. Hope that's not the case.
Did roadside people try to open passenger side door?
Since you changed the remote batteries, does the car respond to "lock/unlock/panic" commands?
Also, film the window breaking. +1 if you punch the window out with sap glove!
Joined road side assist and had them attend to "break into" the car. They managed to hook the interior drivers side door handle but the door would not open
Did he pull the door handle twice - have to do that to unlock from inside.
We both tried multiple times. He ended up having two hooks onto it we used one to initiate the movement then the second one to fully extend the door handle. We gave it multiple operations in succession and no luck.
the hook wasn't long enough to reach the passenger door from the drivers door, the window did not have enough "freeplay" to put the air pillow wedge in there so we weren't confident enough t give it a try as we thought we might break something (yes I can see the irony now)
I was contemplating getting a windscreen replacement guy to come out and remove the windscreen (and then re-fit it) so I could get in without breaking anything, but it was all getting to hard as it might have then required the replacement of the moulds and I managed to get a window relatively cheaply and quickly
Yep - the stickier, the better. Gorilla Tape, the black stuff, extra adhesive.
Also, make sure you have a decent shop vac with all attachments handy when it comes time to get the glass out of the window. Otherwise...well, let's not even think about that. *shudder*
You are being beyond inefficient with tape ****. Go to Walmart, buy the tint roll for $10-$15. Apply tint to the outside in one sweep. Smash glass.
To pay for glass, host the contest: Smash my Porsche window with Crowbar/Bat/Fist for $100.
Why do they insist on using the wrong end of the hammer!
The last time someone posted this problem, it ended up being a broken lock mechanism in the door and the remote unlock system in "sleep mode.". Did you turn the key both ways in the door lock? If so it is likely to need a dealer or a locksmith!
I have tried the key multiple times pushing the unlock button in all positions I have also rang a locksmith he said smash the window, so I rang another locksmith who said.... smash the window
I have tried everything suggested!
Smashing the window opens the car but does not fix the problem. I would seek the solution before leaving the car open to the elements. IMHO I would speak to Porsche about the issue and see what they suggest happens once your in the car. As soon as you open things you will have an alarm going off as well - Or is the suggestion that the key in the ignition will correct things?
I am not sure other than speaking to Porsche directly what to suggest
the car is booked into a Porsche repairer on Wednesday, the hope is that it will "come to life" and be able to be driven once I get the key in the ignition, else wise I can get it out of gear take the hand brake off and get it on a flat bed.
the car is under cover and I can put my new window in it f needs be.
Nigel Ellsmore,
Do you by chance have a iPhone or Android that has a camera?
hahaha Just messin' with ya!
Take a picture of this thing man! We're starting to think this is fancy car livin' in your mind.
Yup, unfortunately the EPC shows different part numbers between coupe and cab...
Most wreckers will let you exchange but can imagine your frustration. How did you figure out it was for a coupe? Compare images?
I had the conversation with the wrecker at the time that they were different, so they were fully aware.
I couldn't view the window itself prior to purchase as I was dealing with a middle man who was organising the part from interstate. It was direct shipped to me so they didn't see it either. Just a pain in the backside I have to try and exchange it or get my $$'s back?
Yea, the shape looks like my window on my Cab. I just took mine out recently to replace the regulator. But as you've confirmed they are different part numbers and it's mainly because of the back windows are designed differently.
Hope you find a solution! :-)
Great observation. I stand corrected. Now that I look a little closer, the curve does point to a Boxster. Does this mean that the Cabriolet and Coupe have the same replacement part numbers for their side windows 5CHN3LL?
I know that I am a little late on this thread but I thought I would jump in anyway. The door handle/key mechanism is separate from the actual latch/locking mechanism with the microswitches and electrical connection. There is a small flat bar/shaft that koes from the handle to the latch. If this breaks, or the slots it goes into break, then the key will turn and not do a darn thing. This may be what happened on yours.
thanks for the input I will update on here once I am into the car and have found the problem!
My second window is replacement window is on its way, I am hopeful to get it today or tomorrow.
YAY
Been over 6 weeks since I have driven the car.
Same here, except the bar had moved into the key assembly recess. Relocated to the proper position and safety wired in place (IIRC). I believe I posted some pictures of this earlier.
Wouldn't it have been easier to just smash the window on day 1, and then drive the car to a dealer or shop and let them fix the problem? What...maybe three days including the door lock?
Quick Update,
I smashed the window climbed into the car put the key into the ignition reconnected the battery and the car came to life started drove no problems.
Key now opens the door manually so there was no failure within the mechanical locking mechanism which doesn't make sense...
Anyway the car is going now and doing all of the things I need it to do, when I get the time I will take the car back to the mechanic for further investigations.
Thanks for all of your help / advice on this topic
No, I had a car accident in the car I was driving in lieu of the Porsche so I had to accelerate the Porsche repair which meant I just had to get it done.
it wasn't all that exciting anyway, it popped straight away and came out in almost one big piece, easy
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