992.2 GT3 or 296 GTB - Page 3 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

296 GTB are now in the price bracket of a well spec-ed 992.2 GT3. 7 yr service pack and 4 yr manufacturer warranty there could be a new player in town..... Thoughts?

296 prices are in freefall as there are concerns over the reliability and longevity of the hybrid tech. Epic cars but I would think a GT3 would be more worry free, despite the extended Ferrari warranty.

https://www.evo.co.uk/ferrari/296/gtb Is this really at a 992.2GT3 price point ? A McLaren Artura might be a better alternative ... given the discounts ? https://www.evo.co.uk/mclaren/artura

kith said: 296 prices are in freefall as there are concerns over the reliability and longevity of the hybrid tech. Epic cars but I would think a GT3 would be more worry free, despite the extended Ferrari warranty. FFSH and the battery gets replaced FOC at year 8, cars starting at £190k.

ChrisW. said: https://www.evo.co.uk/ferrari/296/gtb Is this really at a 992.2GT3 price point ? A McLaren Artura might be a better alternative ... given the discounts ? https://www.evo.co.uk/mclaren/artura Assume the OP was referring to a used 296, which in the Ferrari world can many anything with as little as 50 miles. Some very low mileage cars ~the £200k point.

gt4rs.wp said: FFSH and the battery gets replaced FOC at year 8, cars starting at £190k. Only if you buy the extended warranty for years 6-8 (battery warranty is 5 years as standard), which is $10k per annum (not sure of the UK price).

Nuttcase said: Assume the OP was referring to a used 296, which in the Ferrari world can many anything with as little as 50 miles. Some very low mileage cars ~the £200k point. Thanks - should have said lightly used!

gt4rs.wp said: kith said: 296 prices are in freefall as there are concerns over the reliability and longevity of the hybrid tech. Epic cars but I would think a GT3 would be more worry free, despite the extended Ferrari warranty. FFSH and the battery gets replaced FOC at year 8, cars starting at £190k. They replace the battery free at Year 8 ? Wow ! Is that a new thing ? I have no idea/don’t follow the Ferrari market very closely.

296 having already lost a shedload of ££ will inevitably continue to plummet price wise. In contrast this latest GT3 will be relatively robust. Depends how much money you are prepared to lose how long you want to keep the car and how much you want a relatively unpopular latest tech Ferrari over the latest and last NA GT3 Porsche.

gt4rs.wp said: 296 GTB are now in the price bracket of a well spec-ed 992.2 GT3. 7 yr service pack and 4 yr manufacturer warranty there could be a new player in town..... Thoughts? If you are a tall stocky chap a 296 will be a tight fit

A 296 is a great alternative, if that’s what floats your boat.. They are very affordable at the moment, and push hard on price as the current best trade bid you’ll get on one is £150k.

Cheib said: They replace the battery free at Year 8 ? Wow ! Is that a new thing ? I have no idea/don’t follow the Ferrari market very closely. You need to subscribe to the special Hybrid Warranty Extension for years 6 to 8. Couldn't find the UK prices, I'm guessing it's still too early in the ownership cycle to be concerned about it. It was quoted as $7,500 per annum in the USA. 5 years OEM battery warranty in UK is pretty cr@p these days. I think it's 7 in the USA

296 still has quite a bit of depreciation to go but worth a drive for sure, absolutely rapid and crazy capable

I imagine the running costs for a 296 doing regular trackdays would be significantly more painful than with a GT3. And if it's not going to be regularly tracked, it is really a GT3 competitor? If I was looking for something fun/terrifying for road use I'd probably lean towards an F12 instead.

OP could consider a late 720 S or 750 S for less money. The other consideration could be a late model Pista which look relatively cheap ££ at £230k ish especially v the overpriced ancient Speciale. Way more desirable than a 'new tech' but flawed low demand 296 imo.

HundredthIdiot said: I imagine the running costs for a 296 doing regular trackdays would be significantly more painful than with a GT3. And if it's not going to be regularly tracked, it is really a GT3 competitor? If I was looking for something fun/terrifying for road use I'd probably lean towards an F12 instead. perfect summing up..

What is shared experience about the reliability of running Ferraris? I've driven a few friends cars but never bought one myself. I know that Porsche has suffered from some reliability issues in recent years, most recently the centre lock recall. And I also understand that the Ferrari's have included service plans and relatively long, extendable warranties. But it gets very testing to have to keep returning your car to the dealer for various miscellaneous gremlins to get sorted out. Even if the issues are covered by warranty: you want to have access to drive the car without it spending more time at the dealer. So are gremlins expected with people telling you "what do you expect, its a Ferrari?" Or are modern Ferraris more or less on par with Porsche quality and control? And are the dealers super accommodating at sorting problems when they do occur and getting you back out on the road? (On the Ferrari forums anyone saying anything critical about the brand gets shouted down and told "you'll ruin the resale value!")

XMA Simon said: What is shared experience about the reliability of running Ferraris? I've driven a few friends cars but never bought one myself. I know that Porsche has suffered from some reliability issues in recent years, most recently the centre lock recall. And I also understand that the Ferrari's have included service plans and relatively long, extendable warranties. But it gets very testing to have to keep returning your car to the dealer for various miscellaneous gremlins to get sorted out. Even if the issues are covered by warranty: you want to have access to drive the car without it spending more time at the dealer. So are gremlins expected with people telling you "what do you expect, its a Ferrari?" Or are modern Ferraris more or less on par with Porsche quality and control? And are the dealers super accommodating at sorting problems when they do occur and getting you back out on the road? (On the Ferrari forums anyone saying anything critical about the brand gets shouted down and told "you'll ruin the resale value!") tbh the tide is going against ferrari quite a bit atm from owners for quite a few different reasons and there's a bit of a backlash - the next 10-15 years will be interesting for the brand. there are some issues with the cars in general but it's quite model dependent, the 296 is pot luck (some people have had zero problems, some have had huge issues etc) there's still some magic there with ferrari but i'd personally go for an older car (458 onwards)

WCZ said: tbh the tide is going against ferrari quite a bit atm from owners for quite a few different reasons and there's a bit of a backlash - the next 10-15 years will be interesting for the brand. there are some issues with the cars in general but it's quite model dependent, the 296 is pot luck (some people have had zero problems, some have had huge issues etc) there's still some magic there with ferrari but i'd personally go for an older car (458 onwards) Pretty similar to Porsche, dealers will only sell you something interesting if you are in a bromance with the dealer principle. Les not miss taycans with faulty heat pumps, 992’s without properly glued in windows and many on extended recall for wheel nuts.

This thread got me thinking and I checked used 296 prices. Amazing how close they have come to 992 GT3 list prices. At face value it's much more car for the money. However, nothing beats a manual and NA revving to 9k in my book - and I have and still am struggling to picture myself stepping into or out of a Ferrari

av185 said: OP could consider a late 720 S or 750 S for less money. The other consideration could be a late model Pista which look relatively cheap ££ at £230k ish especially v the overpriced ancient Speciale. Way more desirable than a 'new tech' but flawed low demand 296 imo. Where are the £230k Pista’s?

gt4rs.wp said: Where are the £230k Pista’s? Lined up on the forecourt alongside the £150k 296’s of course. Must be true ‘cos I read it on the internet……….

garystoybox said: Lined up on the forecourt alongside the £150k 296’s of course. Must be true ‘cos I read it on the internet……….

gt4rs.wp said: av185 said: OP could consider a late 720 S or 750 S for less money. The other consideration could be a late model Pista which look relatively cheap ££ at £230k ish especially v the overpriced ancient Speciale. Way more desirable than a 'new tech' but flawed low demand 296 imo. Where are the £230k Pista’s? Get a bid in

Heres another

av185 said: gt4rs.wp said: av185 said: OP could consider a late 720 S or 750 S for less money. The other consideration could be a late model Pista which look relatively cheap ££ at £230k ish especially v the overpriced ancient Speciale. Way more desirable than a 'new tech' but flawed low demand 296 imo. Where are the £230k Pista’s? Get a bid in AV is right, the cars that are hanging around for months on end are overpriced and there is so much wriggle room in the 200k plus market at this time

Must be true P cos I saw the ads on the internet .

Not sure what sort of use the OP is considering, but the 296 doesn't have a huge amount of interior storage or luggage space. The front boot is a good bit smaller than the 458/488, with less space behind the seats as well. A GT3 has way more as you have the front boot plus you can always throw some sports bags and jackets into the back. A little bell is ringing in my head saying that the GT3 RS front compartment is given over to fans and aero now, so a bit less practical for longer trips. Depends what plans you have for it of course. Someone asked about Ferrari reliability. Can't help on the 296 but we are 5 and a half years and 26,000 miles down the road in a 488, and the only thing that has gone wrong is the first battery, which gave up the ghost within a couple of months (replaced under warranty). Otherwise it has been faultless, and the support and servicing from the supplying dealer has been excellent.

av185 said: Heres another BUYER'S PREMIUM The Buyer’s Premium is charged in addition to the sale price and is payable directly to Collecting Cars. The fee and whether you are charged sales tax is based on your location. Minimum fee is £600.00 Buyer’s premium is 6.0%+VAT Maximum fee is £7,200.00 (Inc. VAT) for buyers in UK

gt4rs.wp said: BUYER'S PREMIUM The Buyer’s Premium is charged in addition to the sale price and is payable directly to Collecting Cars. The fee and whether you are charged sales tax is based on your location. Minimum fee is £600.00 Buyer’s premium is 6.0%+VAT Maximum fee is £7,200.00 (Inc. VAT) for buyers in UK the seller got £230,000 though so I think it's fair to say he sold his car for £230k

WCZ said: the seller got £230,000 though so I think it's fair to say he sold his car for £230k +1. That was sold almost 1 year ago and the market has softened since then for many higher end cars.

Quite.

if the OP has been on the Ferrari forums esp the 296 threads, i think the decision will be made. horrendous stories re. electrical issues. as other threads have indicated, the 'older' mechanical Ferrari models are quite robust.

pancholi said: if the OP has been on the Ferrari forums esp the 296 threads, i think the decision will be made. horrendous stories re. electrical issues. as other threads have indicated, the 'older' mechanical Ferrari models are quite robust. Mind you, my 992 couldn't be driven due to the lightweight glass not being glued in properly and loads with centre locks still off road. Then there was the engine fire issue. Seems no manufacturer is above issues - even with the expensive products being pedalled by Porsche and Ferrari.

All expensive cars can have reliability issues, generally more tech = more potential issues. Porsche used to have a reputation for reliability, they were generally out of the then "Supercars" the brand to buy as a cost effective well engineered option. Servicing and cost to keep on the road was reasonable, between BMW / Audi and Ferrari / McLaren. As a kid it was what I wanted,Porsche pictures over the bedroom etc. It has gradually changed I managed to buy my first Porsche in 2004 and have had at least 1 since and am now on my 15th Porsche. Nearly all have been reliable, mostly nearly new so should be reliable. I was chuffed to bits when offered a slot for a new 992 GT3, I went overboard on the spec, it was to be my for ever car, PTS, ceramics etc. I took delivery on 2nd March 23 and then things went wrong, the car had 4 breakdowns all needing recovery in the first 6 months, including 1 in Switzerland, in Dec 23 the car had been off the road for 21 weeks, it had 2500 miles on the clock, the service from Porsche and the AA recovery was generally awful both in diagnosis and communication. As an example it took over 4 weeks to get the car back from Switzerland and the AA refused to pay my costs. My local service manager was the only real help and it took a letter to Krishan Bodhani CEO (he does read them) to get any action. While I acknowledge there can be problems I expect when you pay £170k to get a standard of service, which just did not happen. I lost trust in Porsche as a company and my GT3 which I fell out of love with. I sold it in March 24. I would probably have left the brand if it was not for my involvement in PCGB. In my opinion Porsche are now a mainstream manufacturer a fact confirmed by the amount of GT cars being built and unable to find buyers. The car is now a widget and service is now the minimum required to get by. I'm not sure as I don't have the Ferrari experience if they are going the same way, they certainly don't sell in the same volume so possibly the service is still a little more personnel. Unfortunately the industry at present has much uncertainty about it and cost control appears more important than customer service.

Anything can go wrong and the more "stuff" that a machine has and the shorter product cycles are to sort potential issues out prior to customer deliveries, the more beta testing will spill into the customer ownership experience. I'm sorry to read this 992 GT3 experience ... but it is one of the reasons why my new Porsche was a 2018 car .. pre Covid, pre particulate filter, and the best naturally aspirated model of a gen 2 GT car, hence also with an analogue user interface. My greatest concern is who will underpin OPC's in repairing the most complicated cars from Porsche ? 992 GT3RS ?? The RS ethos used to be stripped of all frippery to the benefit of lightweight, reliability and low running costs. Current legislation is hardly helping ...

Geoff39GL said: All expensive cars can have reliability issues, generally more tech = more potential issues. Porsche used to have a reputation for reliability, they were generally out of the then "Supercars" the brand to buy as a cost effective well engineered option. Servicing and cost to keep on the road was reasonable, between BMW / Audi and Ferrari / McLaren. As a kid it was what I wanted,Porsche pictures over the bedroom etc. It has gradually changed I managed to buy my first Porsche in 2004 and have had at least 1 since and am now on my 15th Porsche. Nearly all have been reliable, mostly nearly new so should be reliable. I was chuffed to bits when offered a slot for a new 992 GT3, I went overboard on the spec, it was to be my for ever car, PTS, ceramics etc. I took delivery on 2nd March 23 and then things went wrong, the car had 4 breakdowns all needing recovery in the first 6 months, including 1 in Switzerland, in Dec 23 the car had been off the road for 21 weeks, it had 2500 miles on the clock, the service from Porsche and the AA recovery was generally awful both in diagnosis and communication. As an example it took over 4 weeks to get the car back from Switzerland and the AA refused to pay my costs. My local service manager was the only real help and it took a letter to Krishan Bodhani CEO (he does read them) to get any action. While I acknowledge there can be problems I expect when you pay £170k to get a standard of service, which just did not happen. I lost trust in Porsche as a company and my GT3 which I fell out of love with. I sold it in March 24. I would probably have left the brand if it was not for my involvement in PCGB. In my opinion Porsche are now a mainstream manufacturer a fact confirmed by the amount of GT cars being built and unable to find buyers. The car is now a widget and service is now the minimum required to get by. I'm not sure as I don't have the Ferrari experience if they are going the same way, they certainly don't sell in the same volume so possibly the service is still a little more personnel. Unfortunately the industry at present has much uncertainty about it and cost control appears more important than customer service. Oh my eyes - has someone stolen your 'Return' key, that's unreadable in one giant paragraph.

IainF said: Someone asked about Ferrari reliability. Can't help on the 296 but we are 5 and a half years and 26,000 miles down the road in a 488, and the only thing that has gone wrong is the first battery, which gave up the ghost within a couple of months (replaced under warranty). Otherwise it has been faultless, and the support and servicing from the supplying dealer has been excellent. Yeah, that was me: Interesting. My Porsches have all been fine as have the OPCs, but I had a very bad ownership experience with McLaren that was compounded by terrible customer service from McAscot. At least McBristol took good care of me, but they were a very long round trip from where I live. Sorry to hear the OPs experience with his GT3... what a let down after years of build up. I started looking at the 488 also: very nice looking car and depreciation has done its thing to bring used cars down to an okay price. But then I saw the latest shiny thing (296), then the new price >£300k (jeepers), then the price of 1 year old cars (asking £210,000 and up... a few actually asking even a bit less). Then I saw how much the Artura has depreciated by. There is a lot of very interesting automotive machinery out there for those with the free cash available to deploy into depreciating assets. All this choice certainly makes the job of new car salesmen that much harder.

I've run a 296 now for a couple of years, and I am also a long-standing Porsche owner. The 296 is fantastic car - probably the most entertaining car Ferrari currently make; I've driven mine on road and on circuit and it never fails to entertain. It is far more powerful that you can realistically use on the public road, but on track it's eye-watering (in a good way!) - 160mph with some ease down the back straight at Goodwood in December! Reliability (and of the other F-cars I've owned / own) is generally excellent (total of say 75,000 miles over the last 12 years in a number of different F-cars, so a good sample). I have no concerns over the hybrid tech (my 918 Spyder ran faultlessly for 9 years and 10,000 miles before I sold it - and before I sold it, I had the battery health checked and it was 100% fine. I looked after it.) Lots of very silly scare stories about hybrid - if you look after the battery, no reason it will not go on for a very, very long time. But to return to the OP's question - 296 versus 992 GT3 - well, I'd say they are two very different experiences and I'd never discourage anyone from trying both if they can. I think the 992.1 GT3 is just sensational, with a the level of driver engagement that's unbeatable (especially with the manual gearbox). I've got the MR kit on mine, and it's simply perfect. But then again, the 296 makes you feel very special sitting behind that thin-rimmed, prancing horse adorned steering wheel, and its ballistic pace is always fun with a sophistication to the damping that the Porsche cannot match. It's all personal taste, but I'd say most people would love the experience of the 296. As to deprecation, what is easily forgotten is that the base 296 is £240-250k. It is the options that first owners (like me!) don't get back on resale; and many cars have £50-100k of options (silly, I know). Perhaps this is wishful thinking, but I hope the 296 will settle fairly soon - it's just too good to keep going to the floor! Edited by stefan1 on Friday 10th January 22:29

Thanks to all for the constructive input, much appreciated. I’m going to watch the market for the next few months and then decide. Cheers

Guyr said: Oh my eyes - has someone stolen your 'Return' key, that's unreadable in one giant paragraph. Sorry, tried to get my thoughts down on paper, should have then spread it out

av185 said: 296 having already lost a shedload of ££ will inevitably continue to plummet price wise. In contrast this latest GT3 will be relatively robust. Depends how much money you are prepared to lose how long you want to keep the car and how much you want a relatively unpopular latest tech Ferrari over the latest and last NA GT3 Porsche. Hmmmm... Currently own a 992 GT3 and just in the throes of purchasing a new car. Can't get the 992.2 GT3 for anything less than list and in the spec I want that's just shy of £230k. If I purchase the 992.2 GT3, in three years it's worth pretty much exactly what my three year old GT3 is worth - £150k. That's a loss of £70k in 3 years. I can pick up a 296 GTB for £190k right now in the spec I want. In three years if it's worth more than £120k I've saved money on my latest car purchase. On the wider car front, I've looked at 812's and 765's, Pista's, Speciale's etc but none of them make sense from a use case perspective (I want to be able to drive it a few times a week). The only cars that work for this are a GT3 or a 296. And yes - I could just get a Yaris GR for the daily grind and buy a more "special" car - but where's the fun in that?!

schaeffs said: Hmmmm... Currently own a 992 GT3 and just in the throes of purchasing a new car. Can't get the 992.2 GT3 for anything less than list and in the spec I want that's just shy of £230k. If I purchase the 992.2 GT3, in three years it's worth pretty much exactly what my three year old GT3 is worth - £150k. That's a loss of £70k in 3 years. I can pick up a 296 GTB for £190k right now in the spec I want. In three years if it's worth more than £120k I've saved money on my latest car purchase. On the wider car front, I've looked at 812's and 765's, Pista's, Speciale's etc but none of them make sense from a use case perspective (I want to be able to drive it a few times a week). The only cars that work for this are a GT3 or a 296. And yes - I could just get a Yaris GR for the daily grind and buy a more "special" car - but where's the fun in that?! Out of interest why do you feel a GT3 or a 296 for your use case and not the 812?

schaeffs said: Hmmmm... Currently own a 992 GT3 and just in the throes of purchasing a new car. Can't get the 992.2 GT3 for anything less than list and in the spec I want that's just shy of £230k. If I purchase the 992.2 GT3, in three years it's worth pretty much exactly what my three year old GT3 is worth - £150k. That's a loss of £70k in 3 years. I can pick up a 296 GTB for £190k right now in the spec I want. In three years if it's worth more than £120k I've saved money on my latest car purchase. Hmmmmm.... Apples and pears I'm afraid. The new GT3 is currently £157500 basic (up only c £10k from the 992.1 list of c£147k) so its entirely your choice if you want to spec overpriced options such as the £19500 WP or whatever on top bringing the total optioned price to £230k...which is frankly insane for a GT3 when a decent specced new one will come to well under £200k...which is enough tbh and at this price you wouldn't lose much and nowhere near £70k over three years. Btw my good spec 991.2 GT3 CS manual came to c £132k new with ceramics lift etc etc having c £21k of options on top of list and I sold it last year at 5 years old for £143500 with 8k miles. Clearly the market has changed but if you sold a 992.2 listing at say £200k new in 3 years it undoubtedly will be worth around £165k v your 992.1 GT3 now at £150k because not only has the list price increased £10k but the options cost has also increased substantially.

schaeffs said: ........ If I purchase the 992.2 GT3, in three years it's worth pretty much exactly what my three year old GT3 is worth - £150k. Have you received a solid offer of £150k for your GT3? Seems high for a 3 year old car when OPCs are listing <1 year virtually new undriven cars for ~£170s

Someone I know entred one of those car lotto/raffles for a 992.2 GT3, PTS etc - plus £5k cash. He didn’t win, but apparently the actual winner chose to take the cash option - £130k

coffeekid said: schaeffs said: Hmmmm... Currently own a 992 GT3 and just in the throes of purchasing a new car. Can't get the 992.2 GT3 for anything less than list and in the spec I want that's just shy of £230k. If I purchase the 992.2 GT3, in three years it's worth pretty much exactly what my three year old GT3 is worth - £150k. That's a loss of £70k in 3 years. I can pick up a 296 GTB for £190k right now in the spec I want. In three years if it's worth more than £120k I've saved money on my latest car purchase. On the wider car front, I've looked at 812's and 765's, Pista's, Speciale's etc but none of them make sense from a use case perspective (I want to be able to drive it a few times a week). The only cars that work for this are a GT3 or a 296. And yes - I could just get a Yaris GR for the daily grind and buy a more "special" car - but where's the fun in that?! Out of interest why do you feel a GT3 or a 296 for your use case and not the 812? Love the 812 for what it is but 2 issues: - Personally I find the 812 a bit of a blunt instrument in comparison to the mid-engined Ferrari's. I just prefer the feel of the mid engined cars - personal choice of course. A lot of people love the V12 front engined cars. - 7 year plans for these cars are coming off now - buying a newer car gives me this peace of mind.

av185 said: schaeffs said: Hmmmm... Currently own a 992 GT3 and just in the throes of purchasing a new car. Can't get the 992.2 GT3 for anything less than list and in the spec I want that's just shy of £230k. If I purchase the 992.2 GT3, in three years it's worth pretty much exactly what my three year old GT3 is worth - £150k. That's a loss of £70k in 3 years. I can pick up a 296 GTB for £190k right now in the spec I want. In three years if it's worth more than £120k I've saved money on my latest car purchase. Hmmmmm.... Apples and pears I'm afraid. The new GT3 is currently £157500 basic (up only c £10k from the 992.1 list of c£147k) so its entirely your choice if you want to spec overpriced options such as the £19500 WP or whatever on top bringing the total optioned price to £230k...which is frankly insane for a GT3 when a decent specced new one will come to well under £200k...which is enough tbh and at this price you wouldn't lose much and nowhere near £70k over three years. Btw my good spec 991.2 GT3 CS manual came to c £132k new with ceramics lift etc etc having c £21k of options on top of list and I sold it last year at 5 years old for £143500 with 8k miles. Clearly the market has changed but if you sold a 992.2 listing at say £200k new in 3 years it undoubtedly will be worth around £165k v your 992.1 GT3 now at £150k because not only has the list price increased £10k but the options cost has also increased substantially. Enjoy being called insane for my car predilections - thank you! The above numbers are actually more Braeburn to Granny Smith. My 992.1 GT3 is fully specced - i.e. all options ticked. The only thing it's missing is PTS (its Agate grey). The only difference I was adding on was PTS for the 992.2 GT3 - that comes to £228k. The increase actually comes from two things: 1. The increase in Porsche prices as you've rightly pointed out. 2. The new costs to fully spec the car - WP etc which weren't there in the same way three years ago. I view that as Porsche's way of increasing their margins on these cars. I still think a fully specced .2 GT3 will be worth circa £150k in three years. A lesser specced version ex-WP won't be worth £150k - it'll be worth more like £135-140k IMO. So my point still stand's. Using the lesser numbers in deprecation on a lower specced GT3 (under £200k) - the differential of approx. £50k would still mean a £190k 296 would need to be under £140k to be losing over purchasing the .2 GT3. Will that happen? Potentially. Will it be a huge differential to the GT3 over the next three years depreciation wise - I don't think so. In the end, everyone does their own man maths on this, and makes their own decisions. I've made mine. I just thought I'd get my calcs out there, so others can see what people who are making decisions on these cars are thinking.

Nuttcase said: schaeffs said: ........ If I purchase the 992.2 GT3, in three years it's worth pretty much exactly what my three year old GT3 is worth - £150k. Have you received a solid offer of £150k for your GT3? Seems high for a 3 year old car when OPCs are listing <1 year virtually new undriven cars for ~£170s I've not been offered anything for my GT3 as I'm not selling it. I was just using that number to give a differential for the point I was making on the depreciation. Call it £140k and the depreciation would be higher!

Btw my good spec 991.2 GT3 CS manual came to c £132k new with ceramics lift etc etc having c £21k of options on top of list and I sold it last year at 5 years old for £143500 with 8k miles. Hmmmm I think you'll find that you sold me that car year before last in May 23.....you must be missing it?

Doddler said: Btw my good spec 991.2 GT3 CS manual came to c £132k new with ceramics lift etc etc having c £21k of options on top of list and I sold it last year at 5 years old for £143500 with 8k miles. Hmmmm I think you'll find that you sold me that car year before last in May 23.....you must be missing it? Ah yes sorry forgot it was 2025! I am for sure.

Went and did the deal on a lovely Blu America 296GTB. First impressions are very good although looking for some drier and warmer weather to really give it a good drive. The powertrain in particular is absolutely sensational. Roll on Summer!

bennno said: WCZ said: tbh the tide is going against ferrari quite a bit atm from owners for quite a few different reasons and there's a bit of a backlash - the next 10-15 years will be interesting for the brand. there are some issues with the cars in general but it's quite model dependent, the 296 is pot luck (some people have had zero problems, some have had huge issues etc) there's still some magic there with ferrari but i'd personally go for an older car (458 onwards) Pretty similar to Porsche, dealers will only sell you something interesting if you are in a bromance with the dealer principle. Les not miss taycans with faulty heat pumps, 992’s without properly glued in windows and many on extended recall for wheel nuts. This ^ Whilst Ferrari hide behind their perceived improvement in quality over the last 15 years, the truth is, it’s a myth (ask any FF owner who’s PTU has failed outside of an official Ferrari warranty) And the ownership experience is frequently backed up by poor parts availability and inconsistent warranty cover. Meanwhile Porsche have done a fantastic job (a bit like VW) of maintaining the illusion of their perceived quality, when the reality is the quality of their products is no better than any other brand, and seemingly getting worse every year. At the tail end of last year, the vast majority of cars in my local OPC’s workshop were there for warranty rectification work and recalls. Read into that what you will. Cost cutting has repercussions …

Yes , buying is the easy bit , modern cars have become very complex . But Ferrari ownership is a real supercar joy . In 30 years of RS/GT3 ownership I have flirted with the dark side and had both road car and raced a Ferrari , and the things Digga pointed out are the reason to always go back to Pork