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Great to see ... I wonder what that start did to the carbon clutch ??

ChrisW. said: Great to see ... I wonder what that start did to the carbon clutch ?? Nothing, it's only the slipping that wrecks them. Dumping or sidestepping no issues.

Mega lap, bumped into him a few weeks ago and he let slip the lap time. Looked a bit sketchy at 8:32 in the compression at Tiergarten, dab of oppo. at 250kmh!

993rsr said: ChrisW. said: Great to see ... I wonder what that start did to the carbon clutch ?? Nothing, it's only the slipping that wrecks them. Dumping or sidestepping no issues. I thought I could hear the clutch slipping ... maybe it was just the tyres ... but thanks for the info' I used to do that with my 964RS in sprints until I heard that drive shafts could twist and break ... !

TopspeedPT said: Porsche Carrera GT | Nordschleife HOT LAP 7.12,69 min | sport auto Sport Auto (20,6km): Porsche 911 GT3 RS (992): 6:54.99 Porsche 911 GT2 RS (991): 6:58.28 Ferrari 296 GTB: 6:58.70 911 GT3 Manthey Performance Kit: 6:59.42 Ferrari 488 Pista: 7:00.03 Porsche 911 GT3 (992): 7:04.74 Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R Pro: 7:07.00 McLaren 720S: 7:08.00 McLaren 600LT: 7:08.82 Modified Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991): 7:09.59 Corvette Z06 Z07 Package: 7:10.51 Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R: 7:10.92 Porsche Carrera GT(Cup 2): 7:12.69 718 Cayman GT4 RS Manthey Performance Kit: 7:12.87 Porsche 918 Spyder: 7:13.00 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C7): 7:13.90 Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 RS: 7:16.00 BMW M4 CSL: 7:17.00 Porsche 911 Turbo S (992): 7:17.00 Porsche 911 Turbo S: 7:17.11 Ferrari 488 GTB: 7:21.63 It'll be fair I think to add that the gt's lap being by bergmeister gives that lap a bit of an advantage over the usual sport auto lap by gebhardt.... but decent enough time for an old car sporting an obsolete gearbox I guess....

ChrisW. said: I thought I could hear the clutch slipping ... maybe it was just the tyres ... but thanks for the info' I used to do that with my 964RS in sprints until I heard that drive shafts could twist and break ... ! Just the tyres, mine sounds the same

isaldiri said: TopspeedPT said: Porsche Carrera GT | Nordschleife HOT LAP 7.12,69 min | sport auto Sport Auto (20,6km): Porsche 911 GT3 RS (992): 6:54.99 Porsche 911 GT2 RS (991): 6:58.28 Ferrari 296 GTB: 6:58.70 911 GT3 Manthey Performance Kit: 6:59.42 Ferrari 488 Pista: 7:00.03 Porsche 911 GT3 (992): 7:04.74 Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R Pro: 7:07.00 McLaren 720S: 7:08.00 McLaren 600LT: 7:08.82 Modified Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991): 7:09.59 Corvette Z06 Z07 Package: 7:10.51 Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R: 7:10.92 Porsche Carrera GT(Cup 2): 7:12.69 718 Cayman GT4 RS Manthey Performance Kit: 7:12.87 Porsche 918 Spyder: 7:13.00 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C7): 7:13.90 Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 RS: 7:16.00 BMW M4 CSL: 7:17.00 Porsche 911 Turbo S (992): 7:17.00 Porsche 911 Turbo S: 7:17.11 Ferrari 488 GTB: 7:21.63 It'll be fair I think to add that the gt's lap being by bergmeister gives that lap a bit of an advantage over the usual sport auto lap by gebhardt.... but decent enough time for an old car sporting an obsolete gearbox I guess.... Indeed, and it's held back with the original Sachs dampers vs modern ones and a decent geo.

993rsr said: ChrisW. said: I thought I could hear the clutch slipping ... maybe it was just the tyres ... but thanks for the info' I used to do that with my 964RS in sprints until I heard that drive shafts could twist and break ... ! Just the tyres, mine sounds the same Jorg wasn't going sideways like you!

Amazing time, considering it’s just tyres and then track development. Although as Hawkeye/Isaldiri says… probably a bit misleading to have a Bergmeister lap in amongst Gebhardt laps. Bravo in any case. The car definitely deserved to get its second chance on modern rubber. A perennial question answered. Edited by TDT on Thursday 12th December 18:43

No wonder it was a problem on PS2's ... the original fitment before the PSS was N rated for the CGT ...

ChrisW. said: No wonder it was a problem on PS2's ... the original fitment before the PSS was N rated for the CGT ... The original Tyre was Michelin Pilot Sport the PS2 was not available back then, pretty poor tyre and the car was very sketchy on them! For the recall PCGB had a new batch of PSS made, they are very good, I still prefer Cup 2 personally.

ChrisW. said: 993rsr said: ChrisW. said: Great to see ... I wonder what that start did to the carbon clutch ?? Nothing, it's only the slipping that wrecks them. Dumping or sidestepping no issues. I thought I could hear the clutch slipping ... maybe it was just the tyres ... but thanks for the info' I used to do that with my 964RS in sprints until I heard that drive shafts could twist and break ... ! Na,250bhp on road tyres wont be a issue,even on proper hillclimb supersoft tyres i only know of one driveshaft that broke through a spiral fracture on a old 911 with a 20 year old drive shaft when side stepping the clutch at 6000 rpm.If concerened get the drive shafts gunbarrel drilled,good for 600bhp then. Those original cgt michs gave me nightmares winter time.

Great driving by herr bergmeister,surprised how much he used 2nd gear,its well planted every where and very stable down the straight,wicked. Eat your hearts out pdk lovers

isaldiri said: It'll be fair I think to add that the gt's lap being by bergmeister gives that lap a bit of an advantage over the usual sport auto lap by gebhardt.... but decent enough time for an old car sporting an obsolete gearbox I guess.... The original 7:32 Supertest time was done by Von Sauma. Gebhardt wasn't around then. For comparison, the official factory time by Walter Rohrl, equalled in a later test by Marc Basseng, was 7:28.

Porsche Carrera GT | Nordschleife HOT LAP 7.12,69 min | sport auto Car: Porsche Carrera GT Driver: Porsche test and development driver Jörg Bergmeister Track: Nordschleife (20,6 km) Lap Time: 7.12,69 min Tyre: Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 N0 christian_gebhardt_sportauto: 20 seconds faster than in Supertest 1/2004 : Exclusively for sport auto, Porsche test and development driver Jörg Bergmeister drove a lap time on the Nordschleife in the Carrera GT with the newly developed Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 N0. The result? An impressive lap time of 7:12.69 minutes. You can read the full story in sport auto issue 1/2025 and watch the complete video on the sport auto YouTube channel. Sport Auto (20,6km): Porsche 911 GT3 RS (992): 6:54.99 Porsche 911 GT2 RS (991): 6:58.28 Ferrari 296 GTB: 6:58.70 911 GT3 Manthey Performance Kit: 6:59.42 Ferrari 488 Pista: 7:00.03 Porsche 911 GT3 (992): 7:04.74 Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R Pro: 7:07.00 McLaren 720S: 7:08.00 McLaren 600LT: 7:08.82 Modified Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991): 7:09.59 Corvette Z06 Z07 Package: 7:10.51 Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R: 7:10.92 Porsche Carrera GT(Cup 2): 7:12.69 (Jörg Bergmeister) 718 Cayman GT4 RS Manthey Performance Kit: 7:12.87 Porsche 918 Spyder: 7:13.00 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C7): 7:13.90 Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 RS: 7:16.00 BMW M4 CSL: 7:17.00 Porsche 911 Turbo S (992): 7:17.00 Porsche 911 Turbo S: 7:17.11 Ferrari 488 GTB: 7:21.63 Edited by TopspeedPT on Thursday 12th December 17:34 Edited by TopspeedPT on Thursday 12th December 19:44

isaldiri said: It'll be fair I think to add that the gt's lap being by bergmeister gives that lap a bit of an advantage over the usual sport auto lap by gebhardt.... but decent enough time for an old car sporting an obsolete gearbox I guess.... Yeah. I just edited the post. Gebhardt is usually 5-10 slower than official lap times from manufacturers.

Superb.

thegreenhell said: The original 7:32 Supertest time was done by Von Sauma. Gebhardt wasn't around then. For comparison, the official factory time by Walter Rohrl, equalled in a later test by Marc Basseng, was 7:28. Yep, as you say above pre 2011/12 the laps were of course von sauma (his last laps were around the time of the 4.0rs i think?), i just didn't want to overgeek things. Gebhardt is a bit faster than von sauma was I remember being told by some locals (well given the age differential you'd have hoped so!) as well fwiw.... Yellow491 said: Great driving by herr bergmeister,surprised how much he used 2nd gear,its well planted every where and very stable down the straight,wicked. Eat your hearts out pdk lovers overly long gearing - just like a manual gt4

Wonderful to see. Would love to see a lap with the KW suspension and geo that many of us are running now - car definitely looked limited by pitch and roll. And a cool way to advertise that Porsche has some belief in its new suspension parts (Jorg I understand signed off on them!).

The breakdown you were waiting for…

Yellow491 said: ChrisW. said: 993rsr said: ChrisW. said: Great to see ... I wonder what that start did to the carbon clutch ?? Nothing, it's only the slipping that wrecks them. Dumping or sidestepping no issues. I thought I could hear the clutch slipping ... maybe it was just the tyres ... but thanks for the info' I used to do that with my 964RS in sprints until I heard that drive shafts could twist and break ... ! Na,250bhp on road tyres wont be a issue,even on proper hillclimb supersoft tyres i only know of one driveshaft that broke through a spiral fracture on a old 911 with a 20 year old drive shaft when side stepping the clutch at 6000 rpm.If concerened get the drive shafts gunbarrel drilled,good for 600bhp then. Those original cgt michs gave me nightmares winter time. Mine had a 9M motor set-up by Wayne Schofield ... 330 bhp and 310 Ft Lbs when I bought it, but a little more when I had finished. I have looked for the Rolling Road readout but can't find it (from 15 years ago !).

993rsr said: ChrisW. said: No wonder it was a problem on PS2's ... the original fitment before the PSS was N rated for the CGT ... The original Tyre was Michelin Pilot Sport the PS2 was not available back then, pretty poor tyre and the car was very sketchy on them! For the recall PCGB had a new batch of PSS made, they are very good, I still prefer Cup 2 personally. Yes ... 2006, though I had a 2005My 996.2GT3 which I thought I bought new fitted with PS2's ...

stefan1 said: Wonderful to see. Would love to see a lap with the KW suspension and geo that many of us are running now - car definitely looked limited by pitch and roll. And a cool way to advertise that Porsche has some belief in its new suspension parts (Jorg I understand signed off on them!). Would be far quicker on your modern dampers. Sub 7 mins I reckon which is incredible for a 20 year old hypercar.

TDT said: The breakdown you were waiting for… That guy gives me a breakdown !

993rsr said: TDT said: The breakdown you were waiting for… That guy gives me a breakdown ! Haha, I thought you’d appreciate it. Lol

The sound alone, ah yes I love the CGT.

993rsr said: TDT said: The breakdown you were waiting for… That guy gives me a breakdown ! Not on your own mate,one guy i would not sit next to.Whats the point of his video bar it could go faster,which is fair enough. I get making your own car how you want it with some improvements,but dont change the character of the car,not everyone wants the perfect ring set up,some body roll can be good. The car does have limited areo compared to some of the mass production about or racers,it s a beautiful classic now with great improvement just from the tyres showing how good it was 20 years ago and still is with out changing anything else on it.

ChrisW. said: Mine had a 9M motor set-up by Wayne Schofield ... 330 bhp and 310 Ft Lbs when I bought it, but a little more when I had finished. I have looked for the Rolling Road readout but can't find it (from 15 years ago !). I use standard 3.2 carrera shafts with 380 bhp and revs as quick as a bike engine,shafts take it well.993 gt2 shafts similar size but gun barrelled with larger bearings,580bhp,shafts still take the grunt and spin the wheels,No harder starts than hillclimbs on soft tyres.

For sure no harder starts than that ... I was on Toyo 888's ...

It does show how much modern cars have moved the game on at least in terms of laptimes. the factory porsche lap for the 991.2 gt3 (without cup2r) was 7:12.7 with the 992 gt3 (with cup2r) on 6:55.something (t13 time for a like for like although the 'official' time was 6:59.X being the full competed lap). Obviously that's with all the fancy modern stuff like dual clutch boxes, fancy differential, torque vectoring et al plus are factory prepped within an inch of their lives for a timed run but equally, they are in theory less optimal engine layout and down almost 100PS vs the older gt which does have at least as much if not more df than the 991.2 gt3 and is probably just a tiny bit lighter. Whether that extra speed however has come at the price of driver enjoyment in actually driving said cars at what I call 'normal driver' speed (as let's face it 99+% aren't going to be able to wring a car out like Estre/Kern/Bergmeister...) though is a different question though but.... it's certainly objective progress PAG have made over the years fwiw. P.S i wonder if sport auto might start to make this a thing to stick cup2s on an older car and send it for a superlap.... would really like to see what the 7,2 rs (irrespective whether 4.0 or not) (7:32 3.8rs/7:27 4.0) would do today given a new set of Cup2s with the track also having gotten faster over the years......

993rsr said: That guy gives me a breakdown ! haha no Revoman .

Slippery slope! But might be good to take a sample of cars for actual runs and then derive a correction factor on a progressive scale from older(greater) to newer(lesser) Edited by TDT on Friday 13th December 10:12

isaldiri said: It does show how much modern cars have moved the game on at least in terms of laptimes. the factory porsche lap for the 991.2 gt3 (without cup2r) was 7:12.7 with the 992 gt3 (with cup2r) on 6:55.something (t13 time for a like for like although the 'official' time was 6:59.X being the full competed lap). Obviously that's with all the fancy modern stuff like dual clutch boxes, fancy differential, torque vectoring et al plus are factory prepped within an inch of their lives for a timed run but equally, they are in theory less optimal engine layout and down almost 100PS vs the older gt which does have at least as much if not more df than the 991.2 gt3 and is probably just a tiny bit lighter. Whether that extra speed however has come at the price of driver enjoyment in actually driving said cars at what I call 'normal driver' speed (as let's face it 99+% aren't going to be able to wring a car out like Estre/Kern/Bergmeister...) though is a different question though but.... it's certainly objective progress PAG have made over the years fwiw. P.S i wonder if sport auto might start to make this a thing to stick cup2s on an older car and send it for a superlap.... would really like to see what the 7,2 rs (irrespective whether 4.0 or not) (7:32 3.8rs/7:27 4.0) would do today given a new set of Cup2s with the track also having gotten faster over the years...... This is most likely related to the recent CGT recall. Porsche wanted to clean the CGT bad reputation from the past. The original tires werent that good even in 2004. Doug DeMuro as talked about it several times in his videos. 00:00 THIS... 00:43 CARS & BIDS!!! 01:11 Carrera GT Recall Recap 02:29 Stop-Drive Order 04:36 Porsche's 3-Part Recall Fix 06:19 Why Is Porsche Providing New Tires? 08:45 $3500 Service Credit 09:45 My Mission X Conspiracy Theory 12:40 Final Thoughts

My 2p. There is nothing wrong with a win-win ... the owner gets a sorted car and Porsche get to know their owners and prospective customers for the new car, better. Speculation ... how would the old suspension components which were replaced (with titanium ones at $100k+ cost) due to prospective issues, have coped with the higher loads of the new Cup2 tyres ? A question not asked ... Class.

ChrisW. said: My 2p. There is nothing wrong with a win-win ... the owner gets a sorted car and Porsche get to know their owners and prospective customers for the new car, better. Speculation ... how would the old suspension components which were replaced (with titanium ones at $100k+ cost) due to prospective issues, have coped with the higher loads of the new Cup2 tyres ? A question not asked ... Class. The parts didn't cost near what he's alluding to, and they are not titanium. The wishbones are identical in design, and dimensions, with the exception of the material used in the spherical joints including chromium and molybdenum, which again are of the same dimensions. As usual, misinforamation being bandied about! If the old wishbones were not cracked (only two cars had this out of circa 1270) they would have been fine, I've done 100+ laps at the 'ring and many other circuits on the original wishbones and Cup 2's.

TopspeedPT said: This is most likely related to the recent CGT recall. Porsche wanted to clean the CGT bad reputation from the past. The original tires werent that good even in 2004. Doug DeMuro as talked about it several times in his videos. 00:00 THIS... 00:43 CARS & BIDS!!! 01:11 Carrera GT Recall Recap 02:29 Stop-Drive Order 04:36 Porsche's 3-Part Recall Fix 06:19 Why Is Porsche Providing New Tires? 08:45 $3500 Service Credit 09:45 My Mission X Conspiracy Theory 12:40 Final Thoughts What a weapon,cant even watch to the end.He would probably get the words Pankl and w kl mixed up ,may never heard of Pankl or its quality,but some of us in the nanny state know.

https://pankl.com/en/

I hate myself a little more every day for not buying one when I could still kind of afford to buy the car. Same goes for the F50, but less so as that was always a bit more expensive. damn by now I would be able to post on here about how it was to daily a CGT for 9 summers and 100k+ km [FF would have stayed for winter duty - can't fit my snowboard in a CGT]. Now I need to bet on a lottery win coming in (does not need to be a big one, just enough to buy the CGT - free money etc) argh all you guys who own one - enjoy and know that I am really quite jealous (in a positive way).... still my unicorn due to incompetence

MDL111 said: I hate myself a little more every day for not buying one when I could still kind of afford to buy the car. Same goes for the F50, but less so as that was always a bit more expensive. damn by now I would be able to post on here about how it was to daily a CGT for 9 summers and 100k+ km [FF would have stayed for winter duty - can't fit my snowboard in a CGT]. Now I need to bet on a lottery win coming in (does not need to be a big one, just enough to buy the CGT - free money etc) argh all you guys who own one - enjoy and know that I am really quite jealous (in a positive way).... still my unicorn due to incompetence When you win the loto,you can fit yer snowboard in easy enough,good luck with it.

Yellow491 said: MDL111 said: I hate myself a little more every day for not buying one when I could still kind of afford to buy the car. Same goes for the F50, but less so as that was always a bit more expensive. damn by now I would be able to post on here about how it was to daily a CGT for 9 summers and 100k+ km [FF would have stayed for winter duty - can't fit my snowboard in a CGT]. Now I need to bet on a lottery win coming in (does not need to be a big one, just enough to buy the CGT - free money etc) argh all you guys who own one - enjoy and know that I am really quite jealous (in a positive way).... still my unicorn due to incompetence When you win the loto,you can fit yer snowboard in easy enough,good luck with it. I will definitely post a pic of it on a mountain in the snow somewhere once the win comes in (got to think positive.... manifesting it or whatever crap people call that). I do have a suction cup holder for my board somewhere (which I used once as the Americans only tested it up to a speed of sth like 70mph, which was just annoying and I did not want the whole contraption to fly off and some poor guy gets a snowboard through his windshield....)

If we extrapolate this concept; How close do we think a 997 / 991 could get to their equivalent 992 (S / GTS / GT3) with a modern set of tires and shocks?

I 8 a 4RE said: If we extrapolate this concept; How close do we think a 997 / 991 could get to their equivalent 992 (S / GTS / GT3) with a modern set of tires and shocks? I said this earlier in the thread… TDT said: But might be good to take a sample of cars for actual runs and then derive a correction factor on a progressive scale from older(greater) to newer(lesser)

Sorry. I missed that. I genuinely don’t want to dispose of my 991.1 Carrera S as the last N/A model with four seats and a manual box. This could be quite an interesting proposition

Need to see an Enzo and a Zonda now Were those the competitors at the time ??

All you gents who own a CGT - how do you feel about a car that has had 4 services and accident damage (tbc where it was repaired) - is this still a viable car or would you be insane to pay a lot of money for that (all of them are a lot of money, just a question of how much I guess). And where do you think the value difference is between a car with a +/- acceptable service history and no accidents vs. one that is NOT up to standard? I do not necessarily mind missed services or accident damage (if it was repaired properly) - it is just a car after all, but it should impact what I have to pay by a certain amount ...

MDL111 said: All you gents who own a CGT - how do you feel about a car that has had 4 services and accident damage (tbc where it was repaired) - is this still a viable car or would you be insane to pay a lot of money for that (all of them are a lot of money, just a question of how much I guess). And where do you think the value difference is between a car with a +/- acceptable service history and no accidents vs. one that is NOT up to standard? I do not necessarily mind missed services or accident damage (if it was repaired properly) - it is just a car after all, but it should impact what I have to pay by a certain amount ... If it's been repaired properly and the price reflects it, then it's one to clock up a lot of miles in. It very much depends who repaired it, I've seen one very heavily damaged repaired superbly by the right people (£200k repair). Drop me a PM if you like.

MDL111 said: All you gents who own a CGT - how do you feel about a car that has had 4 services and accident damage (tbc where it was repaired) - is this still a viable car or would you be insane to pay a lot of money for that (all of them are a lot of money, just a question of how much I guess). And where do you think the value difference is between a car with a +/- acceptable service history and no accidents vs. one that is NOT up to standard? I do not necessarily mind missed services or accident damage (if it was repaired properly) - it is just a car after all, but it should impact what I have to pay by a certain amount ... Is it higher mileage? I was offered one similar by Octaine a couple of years ago. I kick myself now as I could have traded my SV and a small amount of cash for it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BtJmt5q67rk&t=32... This is that one Octane had that was previously damaged.

ImbackYo said: MDL111 said: All you gents who own a CGT - how do you feel about a car that has had 4 services and accident damage (tbc where it was repaired) - is this still a viable car or would you be insane to pay a lot of money for that (all of them are a lot of money, just a question of how much I guess). And where do you think the value difference is between a car with a +/- acceptable service history and no accidents vs. one that is NOT up to standard? I do not necessarily mind missed services or accident damage (if it was repaired properly) - it is just a car after all, but it should impact what I have to pay by a certain amount ... Is it higher mileage? I was offered one similar by Octaine a couple of years ago. I kick myself now as I could have traded my SV and a small amount of cash for it. it is lowish mileage but non UK

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This gives you an indication of values (this sold on Tuesday) and appears to be worse damage wise. https://bid.cars/en/lot/1-52988584/2004-Porsche-Ca...

993rsr said: MDL111 said: All you gents who own a CGT - how do you feel about a car that has had 4 services and accident damage (tbc where it was repaired) - is this still a viable car or would you be insane to pay a lot of money for that (all of them are a lot of money, just a question of how much I guess). And where do you think the value difference is between a car with a +/- acceptable service history and no accidents vs. one that is NOT up to standard? I do not necessarily mind missed services or accident damage (if it was repaired properly) - it is just a car after all, but it should impact what I have to pay by a certain amount ... If it's been repaired properly and the price reflects it, then it's one to clock up a lot of miles in. It very much depends who repaired it, I've seen one very heavily damaged repaired superbly by the right people (£200k repair). Drop me a PM if you like. Depends what you think alot of money is,they need a careful inspection by the folk who truly know. From my race car experience with alloy suspension etc,the parts either need a xray or replacing if components have had any impact,the tub even more so.The credibility of the repairer would have a effect on value,eg porsche classic etc. Rsr/aka JC is your friend on these.

993rsr said: MDL111 said: All you gents who own a CGT - how do you feel about a car that has had 4 services and accident damage (tbc where it was repaired) - is this still a viable car or would you be insane to pay a lot of money for that (all of them are a lot of money, just a question of how much I guess). And where do you think the value difference is between a car with a +/- acceptable service history and no accidents vs. one that is NOT up to standard? I do not necessarily mind missed services or accident damage (if it was repaired properly) - it is just a car after all, but it should impact what I have to pay by a certain amount ... If it's been repaired properly and the price reflects it, then it's one to clock up a lot of miles in. It very much depends who repaired it, I've seen one very heavily damaged repaired superbly by the right people (£200k repair). Drop me a PM if you like. MDL - as ever, 993rsr is pretty much spot on. The only other thing I suppose is how much requirement there is to sell it on later that you want to keep in mind. The repairer concerned would be my main issue (and price obviously for it) but 993rsr knows vastly more about the things and would be much better placed to give you a considered opinion. Good luck with the search anyway.

Yellow491 said: 993rsr said: MDL111 said: All you gents who own a CGT - how do you feel about a car that has had 4 services and accident damage (tbc where it was repaired) - is this still a viable car or would you be insane to pay a lot of money for that (all of them are a lot of money, just a question of how much I guess). And where do you think the value difference is between a car with a +/- acceptable service history and no accidents vs. one that is NOT up to standard? I do not necessarily mind missed services or accident damage (if it was repaired properly) - it is just a car after all, but it should impact what I have to pay by a certain amount ... If it's been repaired properly and the price reflects it, then it's one to clock up a lot of miles in. It very much depends who repaired it, I've seen one very heavily damaged repaired superbly by the right people (£200k repair). Drop me a PM if you like. Depends what you think alot of money is,they need a careful inspection by the folk who truly know. From my race car experience with alloy suspension etc,the parts either need a xray or replacing if components have had any impact,the tub even more so.The credibility of the repairer would have a effect on value,eg porsche classic etc. Rsr/aka JC is your friend on these. Thank you - they want 7 digits for it (euros) I told them it needs to be much lower than that. I have not seen the repair invoice yet, so don’t know who repaired it / what was done

993rsr said: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BtJmt5q67rk&t=32... This is that one Octane had that was previously damaged. I should have bought that car - stupid me

ImbackYo said: Is it higher mileage? I was offered one similar by Octaine a couple of years ago. I kick myself now as I could have traded my SV and a small amount of cash for it. You and me both - stupid idiots for not buying that - c’est la vie I still have a list somewhere from 2014 of all the CGTs for sale in Europe - I think the range was like 265 to 400 k and call it 320 upwards for clean low mileage cars

isaldiri said: MDL - as ever, 993rsr is pretty much spot on. The only other thing I suppose is how much requirement there is to sell it on later that you want to keep in mind. The repairer concerned would be my main issue (and price obviously for it) but 993rsr knows vastly more about the things and would be much better placed to give you a considered opinion. Good luck with the search anyway. Thank you - I think if I can find the money somewhere / increase my mortgage etc, I will be buried in the car so resale is not that much of a concern, but at the same time I do not want to overpay … it is a lot of money and paying it off will take a long time …

MDL111 said: ImbackYo said: Is it higher mileage? I was offered one similar by Octaine a couple of years ago. I kick myself now as I could have traded my SV and a small amount of cash for it. You and me both - stupid idiots for not buying that - c’est la vie I still have a list somewhere from 2014 of all the CGTs for sale in Europe - I think the range was like 265 to 400 k and call it 320 upwards for clean low mileage cars Myself and rsr probably had the two cheapest cgt ever,mine still under warranty and 4000 miles one owner was 190 landed Running costs are not cheap,probably a bit better now rpm are servicing etc,or even better porsche stuttgart.

MDL111 said: isaldiri said: MDL - as ever, 993rsr is pretty much spot on. The only other thing I suppose is how much requirement there is to sell it on later that you want to keep in mind. The repairer concerned would be my main issue (and price obviously for it) but 993rsr knows vastly more about the things and would be much better placed to give you a considered opinion. Good luck with the search anyway. Thank you - I think if I can find the money somewhere / increase my mortgage etc, I will be buried in the car so resale is not that much of a concern, but at the same time I do not want to overpay … it is a lot of money and paying it off will take a long time … Out in mine today about 80 miles off 100,000 KLMs. After about a year I knew I was smitten with the GT, I said to my wife please bury me in that car. She said can we do it this weekend Edited by 993rsr on Saturday 4th January 14:58 Edited by 993rsr on Saturday 4th January 14:59

Simple clear, analogue gauges... whatever happened to cars...

993rsr said: MDL111 said: isaldiri said: MDL - as ever, 993rsr is pretty much spot on. The only other thing I suppose is how much requirement there is to sell it on later that you want to keep in mind. The repairer concerned would be my main issue (and price obviously for it) but 993rsr knows vastly more about the things and would be much better placed to give you a considered opinion. Good luck with the search anyway. Thank you - I think if I can find the money somewhere / increase my mortgage etc, I will be buried in the car so resale is not that much of a concern, but at the same time I do not want to overpay … it is a lot of money and paying it off will take a long time … Out in mine today about 80 miles off 100,000 KLMs. After about a year I knew I was smitten with the GT, I said to my wife please bury me in that car. She said can we do it this weekend i will come and dig you up and exchange for a few planks of wood Edited by 993rsr on Saturday 4th January 14:58 Edited by 993rsr on Saturday 4th January 14:59

TDT said: Simple clear, analogue gauges... whatever happened to cars... They got slightly improved and less tacky non-996 indicator stalks.......

Yellow491 said: MDL111 said: ImbackYo said: Is it higher mileage? I was offered one similar by Octaine a couple of years ago. I kick myself now as I could have traded my SV and a small amount of cash for it. You and me both - stupid idiots for not buying that - c’est la vie I still have a list somewhere from 2014 of all the CGTs for sale in Europe - I think the range was like 265 to 400 k and call it 320 upwards for clean low mileage cars Myself and rsr probably had the two cheapest cgt ever,mine still under warranty and 4000 miles one owner was 190 landed Running costs are not cheap,probably a bit better now rpm are servicing etc,or even better porsche stuttgart. I remember you guys posting about that at some point - 3-year re-import rule from the US from memory.

Yellow491 said: 993rsr said: MDL111 said: isaldiri said: MDL - as ever, 993rsr is pretty much spot on. The only other thing I suppose is how much requirement there is to sell it on later that you want to keep in mind. The repairer concerned would be my main issue (and price obviously for it) but 993rsr knows vastly more about the things and would be much better placed to give you a considered opinion. Good luck with the search anyway. Thank you - I think if I can find the money somewhere / increase my mortgage etc, I will be buried in the car so resale is not that much of a concern, but at the same time I do not want to overpay … it is a lot of money and paying it off will take a long time … Out in mine today about 80 miles off 100,000 KLMs. After about a year I knew I was smitten with the GT, I said to my wife please bury me in that car. She said can we do it this weekend i will come and dig you up and exchange for a few planks of wood Edited by 993rsr on Saturday 4th January 14:58 Edited by 993rsr on Saturday 4th January 14:59 Sounds like a plan - let’s hope I get a few years out of it before being buried … I did crash my GT2 in spectacular fashion … don’t think I will get that lucky twice

MDL111 said: Yellow491 said: 993rsr said: MDL111 said: isaldiri said: MDL - as ever, 993rsr is pretty much spot on. The only other thing I suppose is how much requirement there is to sell it on later that you want to keep in mind. The repairer concerned would be my main issue (and price obviously for it) but 993rsr knows vastly more about the things and would be much better placed to give you a considered opinion. Good luck with the search anyway. Thank you - I think if I can find the money somewhere / increase my mortgage etc, I will be buried in the car so resale is not that much of a concern, but at the same time I do not want to overpay … it is a lot of money and paying it off will take a long time … Out in mine today about 80 miles off 100,000 KLMs. After about a year I knew I was smitten with the GT, I said to my wife please bury me in that car. She said can we do it this weekend i will come and dig you up and exchange for a few planks of wood Edited by 993rsr on Saturday 4th January 14:58 Edited by 993rsr on Saturday 4th January 14:59 Sounds like a plan - let’s hope I get a few years out of it before being buried … I did crash my GT2 in spectacular fashion … don’t think I will get that lucky twice First decent drive out in 2025 today, couple of hundred miles to the Bicester Scramble. Clicked 100,000 klms on the way, despite the weather the car was fantastic fun to punt along: [url] |https://forums- images.pistonheads.com/25548/202501055275704[/url]

Respect , no tyre debate , garaging until May , just living and enjoying

Imagine what the 918 would do with modern tyres. The CGT is an incredible car, proper dream motor.

Swine Enthusiast said: Imagine what the 918 would do with modern tyres. The CGT is an incredible car, proper dream motor. The 918 was fitted with Cup 2 from the get go.

MDL111 said: Sounds like a plan - let’s hope I get a few years out of it before being buried … I did crash my GT2 in spectacular fashion … don’t think I will get that lucky twice Wasn't a yellow one on the way back from Goodwood, was it?