Boxster/Cayman phased out in Europe? - Page 2 - Boxster/Cayman - PistonHeads UK

This is not good at all:... https://www.thedrive.com/news/porsche-stops-sellin... I think the brand needs a broader price range with more at the entry level. Used to be that it was possible to buy something below a very high price, and now it seems as if there will be nothing below the 911 and Cayenne.

Thankfully the UK is no longer part of the EU.. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

stanlow45 said: Thankfully the UK is no longer part of the EU.. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... Amen.

No point in updating for some markets given the new EV version gets launched next year. They won’t recoup the investment

SkinnyPete said: stanlow45 said: Thankfully the UK is no longer part of the EU.. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... Amen. Oh come on, what could you possibly find even vaguely troubling about something like this : “The objective is to protect Europeans against traffic accidents, poor air quality and climate change, empower them with new mobility solutions that match their changing needs, and defend the competitiveness of European industry.” Imagine that, the EU empowering it’s citizens https://911uk.com/threads/intelligent-speed-assist... Anyone would think these laws were being passed by unelected, unaccountable bureauprats. Oh hang on …

Slippydiff said: SkinnyPete said: stanlow45 said: Thankfully the UK is no longer part of the EU.. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... Amen. Oh come on, what could you possibly find even vaguely troubling about something like this : “The objective is to protect Europeans against traffic accidents, poor air quality and climate change, empower them with new mobility solutions that match their changing needs, and defend the competitiveness of European industry.” Imagine that, the EU empowering it’s citizens https://911uk.com/threads/intelligent-speed-assist... Anyone would think these laws were being passed by unelected, unaccountable bureauprats. Oh hang on … Hmmm… we can see what the ultimate end of all that will be.

Without wishing to upset those of a brexity disposition, the regulation (UNR155) applies to the UNECE. The UNECE contains the following countries: Albania Andorra Armenia Austria Azerbaijan Belarus Belgium Bosnia and Herzegovina Bulgaria Canada Croatia Cyprus Czech Republic Denmark Estonia Finland France Georgia Germany Greece Hungary Iceland Ireland Israel Italy Kazakhstan Kyrgyzstan Latvia Liechtenstein Lithuania Luxembourg Malta Monaco Montenegro Netherlands Norway Poland Portugal Republic of Moldova North Macedonia Romania Russian Federation San Marino Serbia Slovakia Slovenia Spain Sweden Switzerland Tajikistan Türkiye Turkmenistan Ukraine United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland United States of America Uzbekistan I'm pretty sure many of the above aren't in the EU.... To be fair, it's poor reporting from The Drive, but then again where is the fun in letting the facts get in the way of the story

PaulD86 said: I'm pretty sure many of the above aren't in the EU.... To be fair, it's poor reporting from The Drive, but then again where is the fun in letting the facts get in the way of the story Help me understand. The UNECE is the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe, and yet per your list the UK and the US are part of it? If so, why according to you will the Boxster and Cayman be sold the UK and the US beyond 2024?

Fink-Nottle said: PaulD86 said: I'm pretty sure many of the above aren't in the EU.... To be fair, it's poor reporting from The Drive, but then again where is the fun in letting the facts get in the way of the story Help me understand. The UNECE is the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe, and yet per your list the UK and the US are part of it? If so, why according to you will the Boxster and Cayman be sold the UK and the US beyond 2024? I haven't commented on where the Boxster and Cayman may be sold beyond 2024. It also isn't "my list", it's a list of countried that are part of the UNECE. What I have done is to point out that the reason Porsche may be deciding not to continue to sell them in Europe (according to the linked article) has got nothing to do with the EU, as some posters are suggesting. The directive is a UNECE one, not an EU one, and the two are very different. Hope that clarifies. Edited by PaulD86 on Wednesday 27th March 11:31

Right, so you have no thoughts or knowledge on the actual topic of this thread but still couldn't help riding your hobbyhorse into it.

Fink-Nottle said: Right, so you have no thoughts or knowledge on the actual topic of this thread but still couldn't help riding your hobbyhorse into it. And your two posts cleared it right up?

Fink-Nottle said: Right, so you have no thoughts or knowledge on the actual topic of this thread but still couldn't help riding your hobbyhorse into it. Curious that you mention my post as having no thoughts or knowledge of the actual topic, and yet have no issue with the other posts that not only don't have knowledge or thoughts on the topic but go further and post incorrect information on it. My contribution to the thread has been to point out some facts relating to the topic of the thread. You might not like those, but that's your problem. You have contributed nothing. From your tone, I suspect that’s standard for you.

PaulD86 said: Fink-Nottle said: Right, so you have no thoughts or knowledge on the actual topic of this thread but still couldn't help riding your hobbyhorse into it. Curious that you mention my post as having no thoughts or knowledge of the actual topic, and yet have no issue with the other posts that not only don't have knowledge or thoughts on the topic but go further and post incorrect information on it. My contribution to the thread has been to point out some facts relating to the topic of the thread. You might not like those, but that's your problem. You have contributed nothing. From your tone, I suspect that’s standard for you. The information that Porsche are not deciding their product strategy because of 'the 'EU' is key info IMHO. Thanks PaulD. But your info will agitate many here I'm afraid.

PaulD86 said: Without wishing to upset those of a brexity disposition, the regulation (UNR155) applies to the UNECE. The UNECE contains the following countries: Albania Andorra Armenia Austria Azerbaijan Belarus Belgium Bosnia and Herzegovina Bulgaria Canada Croatia Cyprus Czech Republic Denmark Estonia Finland France Georgia Germany Greece Hungary Iceland Ireland Israel Italy Kazakhstan Kyrgyzstan Latvia Liechtenstein Lithuania Luxembourg Malta Monaco Montenegro Netherlands Norway Poland Portugal Republic of Moldova North Macedonia Romania Russian Federation San Marino Serbia Slovakia Slovenia Spain Sweden Switzerland Tajikistan Türkiye Turkmenistan Ukraine United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland United States of America Uzbekistan I'm pretty sure many of the above aren't in the EU.... To be fair, it's poor reporting from The Drive, but then again where is the fun in letting the facts get in the way of the story A very informative post. Many thanks for sharing.

So what "cyber-security risks" are these regulations designed to combat?

According to this pretty convincing Substack post, it's a bit of both re EU versus UNECE. Though mostly, it's the UNECE. https://mikeentnergomez.substack.com/p/how-unece-r... The pertinent reg is indeed UN R155, but it seems it's up to member states if they wish to implement. Apparently, it's been adopted by 54 out of 56 UNECE member states. The exceptions are the US and Canada. Hence Caysters can continue on sale in those countries. The regulation dictates that all new cars sold from July 2024 must comply. Already, any newly homologated cars had to comply from July 2022 - ie any new model introduced from July 2022 had to comply. So, as disappointing as it will be for Brexit fantasists, like pretty much every other supposed benefit this isn't one for their ledger. As a matter of objective fact, this is not an EU pox on all our houses. It originates from the UN. It's just the EU has chosen to adopt it and the US hasn't, hence all the coverage implying it's an EU thing - it makes basic sense if all you know is that there's some cyber security reg that applies in the EU but not the US. A quick Google search also throws up this UN doc that confirms we're signed up in the UK (also confirms that UNECE members may 'disagree' with the regulation and choose not to adopt it): https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/MTDSG/Volu... Long story short, all this seems to imply that the Cayster and ICE Macan are toast in the UK from July, too. Also, this doesn't seem to be a hang over from the UK's EU membership. The UN doc says the first draft of the treaty amendment containing R155 was dated July 2020, roughly six months after we left the EU. So, we've signed up to it voluntarily and unilaterally, with no EU involvement even indirectly.

jamsp00n said: According to this pretty convincing Substack post, it's a bit of both re EU versus UNECE. Though mostly, it's the UNECE. https://mikeentnergomez.substack.com/p/how-unece-r... The pertinent reg is indeed UN R155, but it seems it's up to member states if they wish to implement. Apparently, it's been adopted by 54 out of 56 UNECE member states. The exceptions are the US and Canada. Hence Caysters can continue on sale in those countries. The regulation dictates that all new cars sold from July 2024 must comply. Already, any newly homologated cars had to comply from July 2022 - ie any new model introduced from July 2022 had to comply. So, as disappointing as it will be for Brexit fantasists, like pretty much every other supposed benefit this isn't one for their ledger. As a matter of objective fact, this is not an EU pox on all our houses. It originates from the UN. It's just the EU has chosen to adopt it and the US hasn't, hence all the coverage implying it's an EU thing - it makes basic sense if all you know is that there's some cyber security reg that applies in the EU but not the US. A quick Google search also throws up this UN doc that confirms we're signed up in the UK (also confirms that UNECE members may 'disagree' with the regulation and choose not to adopt it): https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/MTDSG/Volu... Long story short, all this seems to imply that the Cayster and ICE Macan are toast in the UK from July, too. Also, this doesn't seem to be a hang over from the UK's EU membership. The UN doc says the first draft of the treaty amendment containing R155 was dated July 2020, roughly six months after we left the EU. So, we've signed up to it voluntarily and unilaterally, with no EU involvement even indirectly. Don’t dispute your research etc as it seems to make sense. However, if July was happening in UK also, why would they still be selling the cars - unlike Germany which is “sold out” for everything except the GT4RS and Spyder RS?

jamsp00n said: So, as disappointing as it will be for Brexit fantasists, like pretty much every other supposed benefit this isn't one for their ledger. As a matter of objective fact, this is not an EU pox on all our houses. It originates from the UN. It's just the EU has chosen to adopt it and the US hasn't, hence all the coverage implying it's an EU thing. Thanks for your research and factual information of the whole picture.

PaulD86 said: Without wishing to upset those of a brexity disposition, the regulation (UNR155) applies to the UNECE. To be fair, it's poor reporting from The Drive, but then again where is the fun in letting the facts get in the way of the story Thanks for the balanced reporting

finmac said: Don’t dispute your research etc as it seems to make sense. However, if July was happening in UK also, why would they still be selling the cars - unlike Germany which is “sold out” for everything except the GT4RS and Spyder RS? Yeah, that's unclear, hence I said "all this seems to imply" rather than "it's definitely the case" that 718 and Macan ICE sales are toast in the UK from July. We'll have to wait and see. OPCs so often get basic facts relating to stuff like this wrong, I wouldn't take any information from that direction as definitive. Also not clear how the reg applies. Perhaps it allows for orders to be taken through to July as opposed to deliveries until July? Or perhaps there's scope for UNECE member states to adjust the timing of implementation or the reg. Whatever, it certainly wouldn't be surprising at all if 718 and Macan ICE sales do indeed halt in the UK from July.

This particular UNECE reg is opt-in, the UK hasn't opted in. Porsche GB has confirmed they will continue to sell the 718. https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/industry-ne...

Plenty more C4RS and SRS to come for UK then

Simply way to clear this up, has anyone asked someone with some sense at their local Uk opc?

GT4P said: Plenty more C4RS and SRS to come for UK then Keep in mind that those can still be sold in the EU as well...

mep59 said: GT4P said: Plenty more C4RS and SRS to come for UK then Keep in mind that those can still be sold in the EU as well... I see, I thought it affected all 718s

GT4P said: mep59 said: GT4P said: Plenty more C4RS and SRS to come for UK then Keep in mind that those can still be sold in the EU as well... I see, I thought it affected all 718s Yes, I don't see how that makes any sense, but apparently the RS models are considered ultra low number series, and are exempt...

They were originally suggesting that they might make 4000 GT4RS ... limited by ?

So Porsche will keep selling ICE in the UK but not the EU. Great. But it’s to do with the UN not Brexit? If the UK was in the EU surely they would also have to adopt the regulations?

sturge7878 said: So Porsche will keep selling ICE in the UK but not the EU. Great. But it’s to do with the UN not Brexit? If the UK was in the EU surely they would also have to adopt the regulations? This guy has the official statement from Porsche GB confirming what will still be sold… it’s in the opening few mins…

HighwayStar said: sturge7878 said: So Porsche will keep selling ICE in the UK but not the EU. Great. But it’s to do with the UN not Brexit? If the UK was in the EU surely they would also have to adopt the regulations? This guy has the official statement from Porsche GB confirming what will still be sold… it’s in the opening few mins… Thanks for posting the clarification. Would certainly appear a benefit of leaving the EU then despite some rather confused posts / misinformation posted earlier. Good result!