JayEmm Drives the 987 Cayman S - Page 2 - Boxster/Cayman - PistonHeads UK

Cayman S Sport to be precise. He really did like it, as he did the regular Cayman S and R. A quick check on Autotrader and appears to be only one Sport for sale currently, for £24k with the wrong wheels, and in boring silver. Although it does have low miles - you wouldn't expect bore score at 36,000 anyway would you? The problem being that money gets you into a 987.2 Cayman S, and if you get unlucky with the 987.1 Sport then you'll end up wishing you'd bought either a 987.2 S or R in the first place. Not hating on the car though, very exclusive, very appealing, an orange Sport with a Hartech rebuild would be a great buy at the right price.

I like his videos, but more for the history story he tells, the information regarding costs and general information is very good. What I normally take with a pinch of salt is the way he describes the driving appeal and handling of the car, I feel he can get this sometimes very wrong and sometimes appears to have a bit of thing against Porsche especially.

WayOutWest said: you wouldn't expect bore score at 36,000 anyway would you? As much as you would or wouldn't expect it at 63,000, really. There are examples of scoring from as little as 10-15k miles. I had one years ago that was replaced under warranty by Porsche at 40k. Scoring was quite advanced by then as it was tapping and it would definitely have been scored at 36,000. Maybe most of them score with higher miles than 36,000. But, really, they're a fairly significant risk at any miles in factory spec. On the balance of likelihoods, if you pulled that 36,000 mile engine and tore it down, you'd probably find at least some evidence of either scoring or the piston coating beginning to break down (which is what happens first) on cylinders five or six, though you might still be 10s of thousands of miles from really obvious symptoms like tapping and acute need of a rebuild.

jamsp00n said: As much as you would or wouldn't expect it at 63,000, really. There are examples of scoring from as little as 10-15k miles. I had one years ago that was replaced under warranty by Porsche at 40k. Scoring was quite advanced by then as it was tapping and it would definitely have been scored at 36,000. Maybe most of them score with higher miles than 36,000. But, really, they're a fairly significant risk at any miles in factory spec. On the balance of likelihoods, if you pulled that 36,000 mile engine and tore it down, you'd probably find at least some evidence of either scoring or the piston coating beginning to break down (which is what happens first) on cylinders five or six, though you might still be 10s of thousands of miles from really obvious symptoms like tapping and acute need of a rebuild. My 996.2 had its engine replaced at 11k miles/12 months old …

I find him unwatchable. Wittering on... I'm sure he's a nice chap but he has more waffle than birds eyes.

The road tax being double that of an S or R is quite a negative factor to the appeal

KittyLitter said: The road tax being double that of an S or R is quite a negative factor to the appeal Now £710! Or £735 for the tiptronic (I didn't even know there was a tiptronic Sport).

I barely follow the channel but am guessing he said Porsche values were crashing recently or something...?

DarkVeil said: What makes you describe the 987 as "little"? In my opinion there is no need for a sports car to be any bigger. Also on your Cayman, please can I ask if the day-time running lights illuminated the tail-lights as well as the dipped beam headlights? When I say little I mean that it feels small and compact when you drive it, it's the perfect size to thread through tight twisty roads or mountain passes, i don't use the term in a derogatory fashion at all, brilliant cars! The daytime lights as far as i know were just the lower little lights in the front bumpers that look like they should be fog lights but are in fact daylight running lights, I certainly I don't remember the tail lights being illuminated unless the lights were actively switched on though.

davidc1 said: I find him unwatchable. Wittering on... I'm sure he's a nice chap but he has more waffle than birds eyes. I’m with you, he was whittling along about buying a fairly exhausted Aston the other day, it was not a story that I could endure

Tin Hat said: I’m with you, he was whittling along about buying a fairly exhausted Aston the other day, it was not a story that I could endure Same. I’m sure he’s a nice bloke, but his prattling on is tiresome. Also, in a Clarkson-esque manner, he avoids technical chit chat - which is fine, many find that very dull; but unlike JC, he never manages to really get the personality of the cars across. As such, he just comes across as a bit of an over-opinionated chap with very little worth listening to. There’s far worse car YTers out there, of course - but there are hundreds more that I actually learn/take something away from watching. Not just a bloke testing out a mate’s car and pretending his opinion is authoritative.

WayOutWest said: KittyLitter said: The road tax being double that of an S or R is quite a negative factor to the appeal Now £710! Or £735 for the tiptronic (I didn't even know there was a tiptronic Sport). £710 ?! wow, that really must affect the desirability for this model. JayEmm doesn't mention it - I wonder how many people have got into these and later realised the massive road tax.

Royal Jelly said: Same. I’m sure he’s a nice bloke, but his prattling on is tiresome. Also, in a Clarkson-esque manner, he avoids technical chit chat - which is fine, many find that very dull; but unlike JC, he never manages to really get the personality of the cars across. As such, he just comes across as a bit of an over-opinionated chap with very little worth listening to. There’s far worse car YTers out there, of course - but there are hundreds more that I actually learn/take something away from watching. Not just a bloke testing out a mate’s car and pretending his opinion is authoritative. I normally avoid YT because the videos are generally too long, with ages of intro and too much filling before reaching a conclusion. I thought that if the OP had taken the trouble to share the link, it might be worth a look. Nope. Okay maybe if you know nothing about Porsche but otherwise just the predictable outcome. Some of the photography quite good, but not the interior sequences of the bloke driving obvs.

Porsche-worm said: Cayman R was fantastic, but good as it was there was always the feeling that i would eventually get another 911, now I have a 911 again I don't feel the need to one day get another Cayman. I was the opposite way round! Bought a Cayman, moved to a 911 but didn't like the handling and went back to a Cayman Dunc.

WayOutWest said: Now £710! Or £735 for the tiptronic (I didn't even know there was a tiptronic Sport). That's a big jump. Unjustified

I like his stuff, one of the only youtubers i can actually sit and watch the whole thing without skipping forwards. Oh and the Cayman is a great little sports car and I loved driving mine. Great as a Cayman is though its not a 911 and there really is something about a 911 that makes it feel better? And that isn't anything to do with how good it is to drive because my Cayman R was fantastic, but good as it was there was always the feeling that i would eventually get another 911, now I have a 911 again I don't feel the need to one day get another Cayman.

Porsche-worm said: I like his stuff, one of the only youtubers i can actually sit and watch the whole thing without skipping forwards. Oh and the Cayman is a great little sports car and I loved driving mine. Great as a Cayman is though its not a 911 and there really is something about a 911 that makes it feel better? And that isn't anything to do with how good it is to drive because my Cayman R was fantastic, but good as it was there was always the feeling that i would eventually get another 911, now I have a 911 again I don't feel the need to one day get another Cayman. What makes you describe the 987 as "little"? In my opinion there is no need for a sports car to be any bigger. Also on your Cayman, please can I ask if the day-time running lights illuminated the tail-lights as well as the dipped beam headlights?

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KittyLitter said: £710 ?! wow, that really must affect the desirability for this model. JayEmm doesn't mention it - I wonder how many people have got into these and later realised the massive road tax. You'd only have yourself to blame, it's one of the fundamentals if you're checking running costs. It's one of the reasons I went for my S: it's pre march 2006 so it's "only" £400 to tax. The really mean one is the 2.7 with 6 speed 'box option: that misses the CO2 bracket by 1 gramme and attracts full whack tax like an S! As for the bore scoring: mine had a new short block fitted by Porsche at 48k miles in 2018 for excessive smoke. As for the video, I can never decide how much of a 'sport' or 'sport design' model is cynical marketing, of if they'd pass an honest double blind test in driving. I get that they're in a desirable package but things like the missing binnacle cowl seem to have been Done for the sake of it and are actually detrimental to the car. The R is obviously a different beast.

I quite like him. Granted his style can niggle at times but I think he researches well and generally gets it right.. ( having owned Evora and Cayman I concur with his reviews ) Re the Cayman they're cracking cars. I owned a modded 987.1s which was truly fabulous and half the price of an R. Buy a gen 1 with a rebuilt engine and you've got a cracking base for a hot rod.. Having fitted all the right bits to mine, the only thing I craved was just a little bit more power. I toyed with a 3.9L conversion from Hartech but it was almost the value of the car which I struggled to come to terms with.. As a result I sold it an bought an Evora Sport410, ( which was also great ).. Having recently sold an Exige I'm currently sitting in a train station on my way to view a 981 GT4. A tantalising prospect and I hope Jayemms review was once again accurate..

Edmundo2 said: Having recently sold an Exige I'm currently sitting in a train station on my way to view a 981 GT4. A tantalising prospect and I hope Jayemms review was once again accurate.. We need updates.

WeirdNeville said: . It's one of the reasons I went for my S: it's pre march 2006 so it's "only" £400 to tax. The really mean one is the 2.7 with 6 speed 'box option: that misses the CO2 bracket by 1 gramme and attracts full whack tax like an S! How does slightly different gearing effect the CO2 output? Edited by DarkVeil on Saturday 4th May 14:24

Royal Jelly said: Edmundo2 said: Having recently sold an Exige I'm currently sitting in a train station on my way to view a 981 GT4. A tantalising prospect and I hope Jayemms review was once again accurate.. We need updates. To update.....JayEmm was right! In fairness the whole of the motoring press were right in saying the 981 GT4 is a cracker.. Here it is. Needs a service and possibly a couple of small jobs. I'll probably get the wheels refurbed back to platinum too, ( they're weiss gold and look much better in the flesh but not contrasting enough against silver/yellow caliper IMO ). Running Manthey Geo so sits a bit lower than standard. I'm really pleased with it and it's super clean. Excuse the crap photo which doesn't do it justice. I have to say it's sublime. I have an uncle who had a 993 RS and then a 996 GT3 back when they were new and he took me out in them once or twice. Both were GT Silver and they made a massive impression on me so it's lovely to finally own one. Granted its not a mezger but it's still a hell of a thing. First time I've experienced PCCB's too which are fabulous.. I should also so that whilst it's a step up from my old modded 987s you can still feel similarities and the quality runs through them all. That car was worth a quarter of the GT4 as you never get the return when modding. In general the balance and control weights of any Cayman always feel right so even a base model with uprated suspension and a noisey exhaust will be fun..

DarkVeil said: How does slightly different gearing effect the CO2 output? Edited by DarkVeil on Saturday 4th May 14:24 Dunno, but it misses the cut by 1g on the official co2 test/bracket. The 5 speed doesn't.