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YOUR RESEARCHCan you say Fender Crunch?!?!
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As to the devaluation of the car that is inevitable, but can be minimized by showing that all new parts were used, have bills and pics to show what was done, don't allow repairs unless they are minor, any bondo will show a poor repair and reduce the value further.
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After the repair the bumper will be perfect, and you cover with clear bra, that the car may now be worth more.
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The money I save will go towards the repair, over and above what insurance will pay in order to get the best posssible result, as the insurance companies will do the least possible to repair your car, see if you can get a better deal on parts and work with your body shop.
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The money I save will go towards the repair, over and above what insurance will pay in order to get the best posssible result, as the insurance companies will do the least possible to repair your car, see if you can get a better deal on parts and work with your body shop.
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If you claim it, it will show on the carfax...that will put many potential buyers off before ever asking to see the pics: contemplate a repair method that does not show on the report or when selling be right up front, post a pic in the ad stating "carfax shows 'accident on 10-xx-2011' this is a picture of the damage that was repaired and appears on the report
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The money I save will go towards the repair, over and above what insurance will pay in order to get the best posssible result, as the insurance companies will do the least possible to repair your car, see if you can get a better deal on parts and work with your body shop.
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As to the devaluation of the car that is inevitable, but can be minimized by showing that all new parts were used, have bills and pics to show what was done, don't allow repairs unless they are minor, any bondo will show a poor repair and reduce the value further.
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spend your time making the money to get it fixed and dont sweat it - looks a little worse than my wife's car, but she has one on every panel....for her its no big deal as long as it gets her to work, so I dont worry too much any more....
My cleaning crew was backing out of the driveway and gave me a custom fender. Photos show damage and relation of my vehicle to my house.
I have a great shop (Stoddard Porsche) for the repairs. Biggest concern is loss of value being that the car had to accidents.
I am waiting for her insurance to call me.
Thoughts? Advice?
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I love my car, but at the end of the day, it is just a car. Have had many. Will have many more.
Poor girl was crying and terrified of what my reaction might be.
Getting mad was not going to fix the car.
Just glad that it was not a person.
WOW, what is with this spate of accidents, I think this is the third one on Rennlist this week. Looks like a simple fender replacement (please no dent puller and bondo!) but like you said any accident is a bad thing.
Dent pulling?????!?!??!?
I thought you just fill in the dent until the surface is smooth. Then just paint.
Only problem is that this leads to a 50 lbs front fender!!!
Actually thinking of not getting this fender fixed. I hear that this "design" is more aerodynamic!!
Your attitude on this is amazing - thanks for posting this, I'm not sure I would have been so magnanimous. I wouldn't have taken it out on the girl, but I would definitely have been hopping mad!
I actually have been laughing about it.
Just a personal decision. As a human, I have a limited amount of time and energy. Better focused on my family and business. At least Obama has not YET found a way to tax me as my family becomes more successful!!
awe - good attitude
spend your time making the money to get it fixed and dont sweat it - looks a little worse than my wife's car, but she has one on every panel....for her its no big deal as long as it gets her to work, so I dont worry too much any more....
glad your doing well....Obama is trying to figure a way to get you to pay for someone else poor decisions, dont worry he is working 24/7!!! Funny how many liberals are complaining about our health care (open enrollment time) - I just smile and say - HEY Obama passed the health care act, isnt this all free now???
OH man...being in the "same boat" as me does NOT exclude you from the "totally nuts" group !!!
cheers, keep a smile on...its what I like to do, confuses the simple minded
Get a new fender, have it painted along with the bumper and be done with it. It doesn't look like there would be a ton of other damage aside from perhaps the headlight mounting. You are fortunate B/C that area is actually pretty hollow by design.
One P-car paint shop owner I spoke on a similar ding with my car called this area "toyota metal", and it is meant to crush but not damage frame or other parts.
Whoever paints the new fender will need to blend across the front hood and the front 1/3 of the left door. If they don't you will see a color difference--one of the problems with metallic paint. If they don't discuss that with you go to another shop. Since the front bumper will have to be resprayed you will have to find out how far they will do the blend. There are many excellent paint shops out there today, so it can be easily returned to perfection again!
I had a red 993 that had been hit 3 times in accidents like this. When I finally traded it someone made the comment that it was actually 4 different red colors! Silver can be a hard color to match indeed. NO question that Stoddard's has the reputation nationally as a fantastic dealership, however as time marches on and body shop people retire, die, get fired, etc things can change in the back room.
I think you have recognized that the value of the car can change. NOw there is a carfax report on that car. To save you all the trouble down the road I will trade you straight up for my 1986 red 951.
Anyone think this accident will effect the overall value of the vehicle when selling or trading in?
My plan is to keep the pictures and copy of repair docs. This should show that it was a minor incident. Hope this helps.
1) Yes, a small amount, when selling, probably not as much when trading.
2) Smart move.
The quality of the repair is the most important part to minimize #1.
If you claim it, it will show on the carfax...that will put many potential buyers off before ever asking to see the pics: contemplate a repair method that does not show on the report or when selling be right up front, post a pic in the ad stating "carfax shows 'accident on 10-xx-2011' this is a picture of the damage that was repaired and appears on the report
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or dont sweat it and worry about it when the time comes
I bought a 996 that had been in two minor accidents similar to this one. Both were on Carfax. The PO provided a detailed description of the nature of the accidents and the invoices to show who repaired it and what was done. Given the nature of the car and its relative value (let's be honest these are not even high 5 figure cars on the resale), I would suggest that it had no impact on value and the impact on you will be negligible under faced with a really aggressive buyer who wants a perfect car (and will find something wrong with it to beat you down on price anyways).
Kudos to your temperment, as mentioned you have exhibited great self control. New fender, new paint from a dealer with high standards seems like a good match. Plenty of pics to document the repair should go a long way when you decide to resell your Porsche.
One could argue, if say you had a few (common) stone chips on your front bumper right now. After the repair the bumper will be perfect, and you cover with clear bra, that the car may now be worth more. I know, it's a stretch, but possible, and I agree with Fergus.
for the life of me I cant think of the term...but you can sue the insurance co for the amount your car is devalued due to the simple fact that it now shows as being involved in an accident - something like devaluation but thats maybe not right....
its a PITA but a few have done it
or just get it fixed and move along
Hi, going through the same thing right now, hit an Elk in Oregon on the way home from Rennsport, I live in Canada and the price of parts is insane from the dealers here, I ordered the parts from Sunset in Oregon and saved over 800.00 ( needed a headlight and hood ). The money I save will go towards the repair, over and above what insurance will pay in order to get the best posssible result, as the insurance companies will do the least possible to repair your car, see if you can get a better deal on parts and work with your body shop. I will charge my shop what they would have paid by going through their regular channels for parts and the rest goes to the extras needed to really get this done right. As to the devaluation of the car that is inevitable, but can be minimized by showing that all new parts were used, have bills and pics to show what was done, don't allow repairs unless they are minor, any bondo will show a poor repair and reduce the value further. good luck.
George
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