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Hi All A bit of a long shot but I'm searching for a 997.1 Turbo and was wondering if anyone happened to be looking to sell, or could recommend possible other sources please? My criteria: - Manual - Dark grey (although would consider black) - Black leather - Ideally 08 or 07 plate - <60,000 miles I'm currently speaking with the following specialists: - JZM - Portiacraft - RSJ - Lakeside Cars - Cridfords Would anyone recommend any other specialists? Or indeed recommend steering clear of any of these? Thanks in advance! Stuart

I don't know lakeside but the rest are very reputable dealers. I would also include 911virgin on your list.

Depending on your budget - I would also keep an eye out for an 09 car with PCM3 if possible.

Why not by private? Would be my preference - get it independently inspected but you would still save a chunk. I bought an 08 one recently and PH classifieds had the best supply

Thanks all. I've also added Paragon to the list, who I spoke to yesterday and who seemed good. I'm open to the idea of private purchase, but my concern is whether the car will be prepped as well as a trade sale. Good point on the PPI though. MrTickle - do you have a view on what sort of budget I'd be looking at for an 09 PCM3 model by any chance? Thanks again - really appreciate the feedback.

stumcnu said: Thanks all. I've also added Paragon to the list, who I spoke to yesterday and who seemed good. I'm open to the idea of private purchase, but my concern is whether the car will be prepped as well as a trade sale. Good point on the PPI though. MrTickle - do you have a view on what sort of budget I'd be looking at for an 09 PCM3 model by any chance? Thanks again - really appreciate the feedback. For the spec you have mentioned, you would be aiming at the high end 40's mark for a nice straight car. For a dealer prepped low mileage decent warranty car you will be travelling into early to mid 50's.

Great - thanks so much. High-end 40s is probably where I'm looking so it sounds like this will give me some options... Where do people stand on a warranty? And another question - how concerned do I need to be about the IMS issue? Specifically is it likely that this will have been addressed in models at this price? I've done a lot of reading on the specifics of the issue but it's not clear to me whether I can expect preventative action to have been taken on this point... Thank you.

The turbo gen1 car do not have an IMS issue - they are gear driven as such within the engines, so no IMS bearings.

Awesome - good news. Obviously my reading hasn't been thorough enough!!

Warranty is something I am pondering about now. After 90 days of ownership you can apply to go onto the OPC warranty if you wish, which for non modified cars is the most thorough. In order to do so, your car will need to have full PSH, no NON OEM part inc N rated tyres, have never been in Rev Range 3 or above and anything raised in the 111 point check (worth paying to get done at time of purchase to check) rectified. If RR3 reading, you will need to get a compression test done in addition to 111 point, if it has a specialist service it will also need a full Major service doing at the OPC. All in all, as long as the car is straight, you can go back to OPC warranty at a price. Alternatively, you can look at 3rd party service plans such as Hartech or save the money day to day going the specialist route and have a 'repairs budget' which you may or may not need to dip into. I am considering the latter - on the basis the engines are on the whole super reliable and it would cost me £4Kish for full service, compression (despite only 3 ignitions in RR3), 111 point and warranty plus a Porsche battery. Factor in the savings for future servicing, clutches, rads etc. by staying with a specialist - there is already a decent budget building up for the unexpected.

Hi Stuart, I'm currently considering selling my gen 1 turbo, it pretty much matches your spec requirements, apart from the colour, it's black, also has porsche warranty to Jan 2015,will PM you so more details.

Would you consider an auto? Cameron sports cars have a nice grey turbo

Thanks all for the responses - it's very much appreciated. MrTickle, AdamB - the OPC warranty information is really useful. I'll definitely give this some consideration. Lynch91 - I'm afraid I'm fully sold on manual unfortunately. It's a shame as there are a lot more tips around! Any other black leather on grey manuals for private sale considered!

FWIW I am not bothering with a warranty after the 12 month non-Porsche one runs out On the basis the turbo doesn't suffer the usual 997 engine issues, and I am pretty careful and meticulous as an owner. Car won't be tracked or driven to extremes other than the occasional Italian tune up to keep the cobwebs off. Mine had a PPI at Nine Excellence which included a compression test (all ok), it had one range 4 reading for 10 revolutions (so a fraction of a second) so OPC might not warranty anyway, although 9E said it was nothing to worry about and rest of PPI was fine. Edited by Adam B on Tuesday 13th May 22:57

stumcnu said: Thanks all. I've also added Paragon to the list, who I spoke to yesterday and who seemed good. I'm open to the idea of private purchase, but my concern is whether the car will be prepped as well as a trade sale. Good point on the PPI though. MrTickle - do you have a view on what sort of budget I'd be looking at for an 09 PCM3 model by any chance? Thanks again - really appreciate the feedback. I bought trade from a non-porsche dealer and mine turned out to be a dog. Since October I've spent £8K getting things sorted and it only had 39,000 on the clock. Don't buy without getting it fully Porsche dealer inspected.

Any quick thoughts on this one much appreciated... I've noticed this car has just come on: http://www.dovehousecars.com/vehicles/vehicle.asp?... It's over my budget, but not by too much, and I'm attracted by the low mileage. A few questions: 1. Any observations on the vehicle itself? I think it looks pretty mint, and very well-specced. 2. Has anyone had any dealings with Dove House Cars? A forum search reveals mostly good and a couple of negative experiences, but all quite long ago. 3. Dove House has run its own pre-purchase check. Rev range is good. Should I be considering getting an independent / OPC PPI, or should Dove's be enough? 4. Does anyone see any reason why this couldn't get an OPC / Third Party warranty? Thanks in advance!

Some notes on history from the dealer: This car was registered in October 2007 by OPC Reading. Service history is as follows: 18.08.2009 – 11,676 miles – OPC Tonbridge (minor) 16.09.2011 – 15,725 miles – Dove House Motor Company (major + spark plugs) 23.10.2013 – 20,128 miles – OPC West London (minor) Brake fluid was also changed as above. This is a four owner car. Current owner – who we sold it to – since 09.2011. I have just run diagnostics on the car, and there are zero over revs in ranges 5 and 6, which is exactly what we would want.

On the face of it that looks bloody lovely - would definitely have been on my shortlist whne I bought 6 weeks ago. Great sdpec too and slate grey is a lovely colour IMHO 1. For comparison mine was black not grey, 08 not 57, had 28k on the clock not 20k but your one has slightly better spec - PCCB (which I would want thoroughly checked out due to replacement cost) and leather console (something I am trying to retrofit now) and the carbon bits (minor) 3. and 4. my car has zero in 5 and 6, but had one in range 4, it was incredibly quick and 9E said not to worry - but an OPC requires no readings in 4 5 or 6 IIRC - so ask doverhsoue for readings in range 4 too. Prsonally a PPI from the selling garage is not trustworthy PM me and I will tell you what i paid

It's a nice spec, and I believe they are quite a well respected dealer. Ceramics are something I personally avoided as I don't do any track work, and think steels are a better road solution and more serviceable. Price is reflective of the low mileage. I would prefer a newer, higher mile car myself as I use mine as the daily beater plus I am a believer of regularly used cars driven properly tend to have less problems on the whole.

So, somewhat unbelievably, Dove House Cars has just sold this vehicle. I was mid-way through arranging a test drive this afternoon, and had cancelled meetings to make this, and they sold it to a local viewer (who called ahead) without even a phone call to me. I might be being overly-sensitive, but this seems like pretty poor service to me, particularly as I'd said I was willing to put down a deposit over the phone. Back to the drawing board....

Agreed - I'm probably just being a bit grumpy!

That must be damn annoying, although to be fair to dealer, if a punter comes in and says "yes I'll take it, here's my credit card" they are going to say yes. You may have put a deposit down over phone but changed your mind after test drive / seeing it in the flesh. I work on principle the car isn't mine until, and therefore my offer is dependent on, a deposit that takes the car off the market completely. Good luck with the search - found a nice one in PH if you don't mind black instead of grey? http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p... Edited by Adam B on Thursday 15th May 16:33

p.s. that's a pretty smart one on PH, but I have to say I'm not a fan of the Aero spoiler. Fussy I know, but I feel like I should wait for the right one for this sort of budget!

Adam B said: That must be damn annoying, although to be fair to dealer, if a punter comes in and says "yes I'll take it, here's my credit card" they are going to say yes. You may have put a deposit down over phone but changed your mind after test drive / seeing it in the flesh. I work on principle the car isn't mine until, and therefore my offer is dependent on, a deposit that takes the car off the market completely. Good luck with the search - found a nice one in PH if you don't mind black instead of grey? http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p... Edited by Adam B on Thursday 15th May 16:33 What do you think that is worth realistically?

yep, looks good value to me. I paid about that for an 09 but with considerably more miles under its belt.

pistonuser said: What do you think that is worth realistically? I am not in the trade, but given what I learned in my search, and what I paid for a similar car, that is not too far off market, rounding down to 46 is the obvious punt which would be reasonable, 45 would be a good deal IMHO the fixed aerokit spoiler has the advantage of not having any moving parts to go wrong Edited by Adam B on Friday 16th May 11:59

MrTickle said: yep, looks good value to me. I paid about that for an 09 but with considerably more miles under its belt. how many miles out of interest?

If I was buying again ... http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p... Great colour, spec and price.

Adam B said: how many miles out of interest? 59K

stumcnu said: So, somewhat unbelievably, Dove House Cars has just sold this vehicle. I was mid-way through arranging a test drive this afternoon, and had cancelled meetings to make this, and they sold it to a local viewer (who called ahead) without even a phone call to me. I might be being overly-sensitive, but this seems like pretty poor service to me, particularly as I'd said I was willing to put down a deposit over the phone. Back to the drawing board.... Happened to me, had arranged a test drive in a 997.2 turbo, went along, car was fine, everything stacked up. Asked them for fair price on my 996 turbo, while they were "assessing my car", bear in mind I had just come back from test drive and was sitting in dealership at the time while they "assessed" another punter who had test driven it earlier in the day came back and bought it ! That was the weirdest experience in my car buying ever. Was gob smacked ! Ah well went and bought a near new 991 C2S instead at an OPC.