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Most likely one of the few with a IMS bearing issue resolved by replacing the engine.
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Seller said that it blew up because it ran too hot. Engine was rebuilt AGAIN under warranty 3000 miles later with a third radiator that solved the problem.
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It was being listed for less than this, but when I looked at it it turned out to be an absolute dog.
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The other problem is the arrogant "Don't waste my time" comment.
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Seller said that it blew up because it ran too hot. Engine was rebuilt AGAIN under warranty 3000 miles later with a third radiator that solved the problem.
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You weren't invited to this conversation, but it was an opportunity for you to get constructive criticism on how your ad could be interpreted and then adjust accordingly if you so choose.
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The car has some type of engine vibration coming from the rear, not sure what the issue is but don’t want to keep driving and dumping in more money" .........
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Seller said that it blew up because it ran too hot. Engine was rebuilt AGAIN under warranty 3000 miles later with a third radiator that solved the problem.
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Tatty int, needs brakes, bumper is spidered from a bump and not fixed, etc.
In one of the moto forums I frequent, we have a very active thread for craigslist (or eBay, or Kinji, or whatever) for great or interesting moto deals. Thought it would be cool to have something similar over here.
Post up links to tempting 986/996/987/997 water-cooled Porsche's you spot for sale...
It's usually good to post a link to the ad as well as copying the text and a picture link as the craigslist ad's themselves can disappear pretty quickly.
I'll start with this one... I don't think it is an amazing deal, but gives you an idea on format:
http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/4715918946.html
2007 Porsche 911 Carrera (997) Black/Black, CPO, 25k Miles! - $38500
Asking $38,500 for this Beautiful 2007 Porsche Carrera 997, finished in black exterior and black leather interior with heated seats. Completely stock with the exception of sport exhaust which sounds amazing. I still have the original OEM mufflers and can easily put those back on. This car is kept in the garage from November - April. This is an amazing vehicle with low miles in excellent condition.
I almost said
'let's leave the air-cooled cars for the pelican forum cool-kids
' but I thought "
nah... nobody will post up overpriced aircooled cars in the 996 forum
". Wrong!
Those wheels were probably about that price when they were new and we need a new set as the chrome is flaking off pretty badly. So I guess for that price we could consider it buying the wheels and getting a 911 thrown in free?
Not a CL but I'm having this one checked on Sat. If it passes muster, I'll prolly grab it up.
http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/de...8190/overview/
I can't stand black, silver, gray. I know you own one of those colors, and I'm desperately sorry, but they bore me to tears.
Interesting car docmirror.
I too like my cars in primary colors and speed yellow has always appealed.
Sometimes I wonder about the people who create ads on the internet.
The one you referenced says it has an "automatic transmission....with a brand new clutch".
Yeah, it's gonna be interesting. I'm afraid it's had body work on the front. The option sticker is supposed to be on the inside of the hood and I don't see it. I've heard that some of the option stickers were put under the frunk carpet on the left fender? We'll see on Sat what happens.
He's not answering emails. At least not the two I sent from different accounts. I was interested in the car if the color was indeed something in the metallic 'brown' family. It's very hard to tell in the pics. So, I forgot about it.
I'm going to guess it's that he's using a ubiquitous(gmail/hotmail) email client, and his CL replies are going into his spam folder by default. Bet he's wondering why no one responds to the ad. Boohoo. No phone #, no sell.
Just a reminder...
If you take a minute to copy/paste some of the ad info & link to the craigslist picture into this thread, it becomes more of an price reference and archive then a collection of dead links.
Paste link to original ad
Paste headline and main text with price (I suggest not including contact info..._
Right click on ad photo, copy image url, paste the image inside a set of image tags
[.img]photo_url_goes_here.jpg[./img] <<-- like this, but eliminate the dots.
Porsche 911 Carrera 996 Super Clean - $17000 (Chicago)
Selling my 1999 Porsche 911 Carrera 996 with 76000 miles. Always covered and garage kept. Maintenance recorded. The most recent service was replacement of Intermediate Shaft Bearing (IMS) which 996 are known to have problem for. Porsche IMS Solution Intermediate Shaft Bearing Upgrade - Eternal Fix from Vertexauto part. My Porsche didn't need the replacement but I wanted the best engine durability. New rims and tires installed this summer. Plus Bluetooth and voice command stereo.
1999 Porsche 911 Carrera $17,995
The 1999 Porsche 911 Carrera Coupe is yellow with black leather. The 1999 Porsche 911 Carrera Coupe is fully equipped with a powerful 3.4L H6 DOHC 24V engine automatic transmission !!!!BRAND NEW CLUTCH WITH PAPERS!!!!!, Air Conditioning, Leather Seats, Alarm System, Leather Steering Wheel, Alloy Wheels ,Passenger Airbag, AM/FM, Power Locks, Anti-Lock Brakes, Power Windows and so much more! With only 91,511 miles this car is fully serviced and ready to go!
2003 Porsche Carrera C4S 996 - $31900 (Oak Forest)
2003 C4S 996-911 Gray/Gray interior. 6 spd, 5000 miles on NEW ENGINE from Germany and installed by Porsche dealer.. Receipts total $19,000 for new engine and installation. Leather heated seats, digital Bose stereo,sunroof , Xenon headlights,recent [almost new] tires and brakes.Interior and exterior in excellent original , unmodified condition.Maintenance records,receipts, manual, 2 sets of keys.
That finally happened to me last week. For the life of me I couldn't figure out why no one was interested in a car that usually creats a sea of emails as soon as it's posted. 2 weeks later it dawned on me to check the spam folder (35 replies).
DOH!
Since you're over on the 928 boards, I can make fun of you, it's like a brotherhood.
That must be your pic in the avatar then?
muuuaahahhahahhahahhahaaaaa!!! J/k, it's happened to my wife before too. I tell her to check the spam folder and it starts a big discussion about 'why does stuff go in the spam folder?'. Which leads to; 'why is my inbox filled with spam messages?'.
I'm guessing it's going straight to spam. I emailed the guy to give him a heads up that I included his link in a forum post. He promptly returned my email thanking me. Perhaps it has something to do with him being in the military.
I'm really interested in this. My kids live near there so I feel like I need to combine a trip to see them to look at this but I don't have time for the next couple of weeks. Afraid it will be gone by then.
Failed PPI. Serious dent in frunk from a tree branch, some dimples in roof, serious oil leaks somewhere on each side of the engine, and one in the middle too. Tatty int, needs brakes, bumper is spidered from a bump and not fixed, etc.
The AD explanation makes perfect sense. 2nd owner bought the car at 10k miles and held it until now. This is actually a very good deal considering the work done and car's history. If they can produce the paperwork for the work they listed and PPI comes clean, someone will be a very happy owner.
1999 Porsche 911 Carrera, 78,000 miles, $28K.
Repainted, already worn through one set of seats, and has the wrong wheels. Other than that, just peachy!
PASS!
This one actually sounds/looks nicer, at half the cost plus change...
2003 Porsche 911 996 Carrera 4S C4S 6-Speed Coupe New Clutch/IMS 1-Own 82K miles - $27990
That's actually a very nice looking car with great service history and a decent price, if it had under 60K miles I bet it would have sold already...
I would have considered the car I bought in the 1-Owner "mostly" category. The car was being driven by the manager of the dealership for 3 months, but was exactly what the PO I bought it from wanted (C4, Cab, Tip, Seal Grey). Rather than get one ordered, he bought it from the manager at MSRP+. So in the 12 years of history, it was 3 months of being driven by the dealer, and the rest by one owner.
Carfax did show it as a two owner though based on those first 3 months.
http://eugene.craigslist.org/cto/4736213521.html
- only 24K miles on a '99 C4 and a price of $22K - car looks pristine... and includes a detail kit (nice touch, I'll have to remember that) :-P
2001 Porsche 911 996. White/beige 6spd - $10000 (Cincinnati)
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/4735934948.html
Just put it back together and it's yours!
I Like this bit:
" He was inserting the ims bearing and tapped the bearing too far in. Now the intermediate shaft is sideways in the housing.".
And this "Everything is included. It just needs the bearing removed and installed correctly to get it running again."
Well that should be easy........
Yikes, it looks like it was a real OE taco wing. If so, I wonder if the seller realizes that wing was worth about a third of the value of that entire Boxster.
Ad copy:
Here is your perfect project. Large spoiler in pic has been removed and discarded as it was broken and quite frankly an eye sore.
Fresh from auction is a grey 2002 boxster 2.7 with 5 speed manual transmission.
The good:
used motor with 32000 miles on it
clean florida title
5 speed manual
aftermarket cold air intake
aftermarket wheels
Aftermarket full stainless steel exhaust from headers to tailpipe
New clutch
aftermarket carbon fiber rear trunk lid
aftermarket rear bumper
The bad:
Brakes need to be bled.
Front hood latch doesn't work. I have another latch included
drivers seat leather torn
Aftermarket rear bumper damaged and has really bad body work
interior trim is showing its age
rear oem spoiler is stuck in the up position
minor dings
front bumper has paint damage near passenger headlight
aftermarket carbon fiber rear lid will need repairs due to old spoiler holes.
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This seems to be an interesting post on Chicago craigslist....
http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/pts/4740933152.html
Former Porsche mechanic and I have a new IMS bearing solution with internal lubricating design eliminating the known failure of Porsche IMS design for 911 996 99-05 and also boxster 986. If you have these kind of car and have not change the bearing, don't take any chance! Please watch the video on youtube and see how's this product the best design available for your 996 3.4 3.6 engine. I have a used instalation kit that is sold separately for $300. This product runs for $580 new. I'm asking $400. This is sought after product, don't be rediculoose on your cash offer.
You can order a cable from Becker that adds an aux input in place of the CD changer. I might actually have one in my garage, although it's for the old 30-pin iPhone and not the new lightning plug. It's a very easy mod that lets you use your phone for music directly wired to the head unit.
I found a 01 for $16,500 with 100k miles and another with 128k miles for $17k. One red and one black in tx. I have my eye out, I'd like to get into one by end of the year or early next year. Price seems fair?
Here's a nice low mile example. Really low.
Work the owner down on his price and take care of the IXX and you would have quite a nice Porsche.
OK, maybe also fluids, belt, tires, and a few other things. It depends upon what the owner has had done over the years.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/4803484807.html
For $46K, I'd be shopping for a pristine 30K mile 996 Turbo instead of a 3,000 mile C2. Shame the guy's had the car for ten years and only put on 3,300 miles. Makes KK look like a frequent driver.
Traded my C4S at the end of October for $29,500 which is more than private party value. Looks like the dealership is having a hard time selling it. LOL
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd/4790344177.html
OK - very interesting and very cheap, but just look at where the work was done - in the backyard amongst grass and weeds - Oh My! I might not take that car if it were free.
OK, for free maybe.....
I am not making any claims, just reporting numbers as they reflect the value of the 996. In the new issue of Panorama there are 16 996s for sale in the classifieds section. The lowest prices is $24,900 and the highest is $39500. The average price of all 16 comes out at $30,331. Now these are asking prices. But if we arbitrarily discount 20% and said that would be the actual sales price, that means the lowest sales price would be $20,000...the highest would be $32,500...and the average would be $24,331. Certainly not as dismal as the reported $10k to $17k that seems to make the most noise. Obviously the 16 cars in Panorama represent cars owned by marque enthusiasts and at those prices I doubt they are flying off the shelf...but again even with a 20% drop over their asking prices...the picture of 996 values doesn't appear as bleak as many seem to feel.
Which quickly becomes apparent to anyone shopping for a nice 996... Are 996's an underpriced bargain? Hell yes. But really nice 'no-issue' 996's that are under $20K's get snapped up pretty quickly.
Sorry, I don't see the point in copying For Sale ads from CL or? over to rennlist. No offence to auto salesmen, but I hope rennlist remains pretty much dedicated to real owners and enthusiasts.
relinuca
Found this hard top for a 996 for $200 bucks. Seems like a great deal for anyone looking to add one on for the winter.
1999-2005 Porsche 911 Carrera Removable Roof $200
http://southjersey.craigslist.org/pts/4816555295.html
Yeah, I'm not a fan of silver either...
Or, were you referring to the to the fact that the car has never been driven?
In seriousness, I am intrigued by these ultra-low mileage cars that we see advertised from time to time.
I don't know that this one is worth the $47,500 they are asking, it depends a lot upon what maintenance has been performed, and how it was stored.
If a person could determine what kind of mechanical shape it is truly in and factor that into the price, they might do OK.
Lets say you would need to put $5-6K into the car for an IMSB, fluids, and misc. items. And say, you got the car for $43K or something.
For less than $50K, you would have a brand new 911 to go out and start driving. You cant buy any new 911 for 1/2 that.
Not everyone would think this is a good deal, and I'm not even certain what I really think about it. But to the right person, these things are opportunities....
WOW!! That's crazy. It isn't really a collectors car - what were they thinking? That car can't be worth anywhere near $47K - you could get a 997.2 C4S for that!!
Its similar to a white 2004 Turbo that has been for sale with about 4K miles and the dealer wants 75K. They sound nice but you gotta dump money into these unicorns to get them running too. I actually think the SF car sounds good with such low mileage. So long as all the fluids had been drained and that car had been stored somewhere where rodents could not get to it may be a nice museum piece for someone. I wont comment on the price as who knows what its worth. I would love to see these cars.
It makes more sense for a car line that has been less acclaimed or received by the enthusiast community. For example the E39 M5 - those are fetching stupid money with really low miles collectors condition cars. But in that case the follow on generation of cars are less sought after. In this case the 997 is a better car without much argument. So I just don't get that anybody would buy those cars for that money when a nice 997.2 could be had instead.
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/ctd/4817645664.html
2008, manual, 430 HP, 0-60 in 3.9 seconds, 190MPH top speed, 11.7 1/4 mile stock, 76k miles.
$23,950.00.
If it is still on sale in February when my bonus comes due, I am buying it. New engine is $6,500.00 directly from manufacturer
I just came from one of those to the 996. I prefer the porsche but for even money I might go that direction. Can't beat the piece of mind on the rock solid reliability.
Yes, a USED 997.1, but not a 997.2 unless its high mileage or has some needs, at least around here.
But the point of a less-than-1000 mile car is that it is NEW in most respects.
Condition and mileage both matter.
But the point of this thread is to post what's for sale out there, so lets keep them coming.
Maybe... Porsche market changes are fickle.
Long before the 996 was the 911 whipping boy in the Porsche community, the 964 was Porsche's unloved red-headed stepchild 911.
Now a 1,000 original miles example would go for big bucks... (but still need to be gone through top to bottom at huge cost and it would still get spanked silly performance-wise by any 996)
Haha, very true. I figure you can just buy a 10oz bar and wear it around your neck for the 21st century look.
Porsche 911 owners on the other hand still have to wait until 2019 in USA for Pfizer's patent on Sidenafil to expire and for its price to fall.
Buying a car like this wouldn't be the most fun. I am going to assume... and maybe I shouldn't, but I'm betting that they have no idea what needs to be done to this car to make it ready to drive. Your numbers are relatively spot on, in my opinion. And trying to explain that to the uneducated seller would just be a pain... I feel like they would just think it's a shakedown.
To the uneducated buyer they will probably just see that a nice 997 can be bought for $50k and totally ignore the 996 at that level of price.
I think you're probably right about the seller not understanding what needs to be done, at first. But once he has heard the same thing from two or three people who are interested in the car, then he might believe it.
But, we're both speculating here on what the guy knows and thinks. We don't know the guy's story.
I also think you're right that most people with $50K to buy a 911 will be looking at other models (997, 996TT, 996GT2 or GT3, etc.)
Still intrigues me though. Probably because it's a rarity.
http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/4798430225.html
I can't believe this car is still available. What a great deal. I pulled the trigger a few months too earlier on a 2000 996 with 49K on it (bought it privately for 20K). Otherwise this would be mine.
Looks like Meridian Metallic. One of those colors that looks very different under different lighting... Definitely has a champagne/gold tone to it. And sport techno wheels?
I was wondering if it was Meridian - mine is, but it doesn't seem to ever look so gold. Some describe mine as beige or tan, but it looks more silver to me. I like those wheels...
You could be right... Porsche definitely offered Mirage Metallic (option code 64) on MkII 996's, maybe the earlier cars had a similar Paladio offered.
Anyone have a 1999 order guide?
Here is a MkII turbo in the optional-but-not-paint-to-match Mirage metallic.... Looks pretty close in the pictures, definitely within the range of color balance adjustments and natural vs. indoor lighting.
What's the color code of Paladio Pearl Metallic? Pic?
Jesus - looks almost exactly like my car that I purchased in May of 2013 (an '03 C2). I also have that same front with the built in radar front and rear and exact same interior (mine is black too !). I also had a rear factory spoiler (not the taco). I had fewer miles by that would account for the price difference.
I hope someone picks this up and has 1/2 the time and number of compliments that I have had in and on mine. What a car...
I asked the seller a question and am awaiting a response.
Looking closely on my computer screen, there appear to be dents on the rear roof section and just above the left front driver-side wheel. Could be reflections.
Isla
I just noticed those too. The drivers side fender definetly looks like a dent but i cant imagine how you can get those dents on the roof unless you park your car under a 100 foot pine tree and let the cones fall on it.
Greetings fellow Rennlisters,
I also have a high mileage 1999 Porsche 996 for sale. Would you guys be able to let me know how much I should sell it for? I purchased the car to build it and make it a fully prepped track car, but had a baby and now my priorities have shifted. Any thoughts or comments would be greatly appreciated.
Here are some of the specs:
1999 Porsche 911, clean title
211,176 highway miles
6-speed manual transmission
3.4L Engine
Black leather interior
Original Black Paint
Garaged
Oil changes every 2,500 miles with boutique/highend synthetic oils.
-Hedi
Pretty hard to tell from the pictures the condition... Is the paint faded or just filthy? Scratches and tears on the interior? Wheel rash? Tire condition? Brakes? Tires?
211K miles is impressive... Is there
any
service history? Original engine?
Yes, original engine. Paint both faded and filthy. Tires seem to be okay, no tears on the interior, minor wear and tear. Brakes seem to be fine. I don't think that I have any documentation of service history. I had one of my friends that is a lead Porsche Technician at Rusnak Porsche in Pasadena, CA. He said that the car seems to run well. He also used some sort of scanner tool to check out the car and he said that there were no "codes" showing? Thank you so much for your time.
Anyone care to give some thoughts on this listing? I'm shopping for a 996, but still in research mode. I love the updated wheels on this, and being a 4S makes is a decent deal @67K miles I would think?
2003 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S - $26000 (Orlando)
http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/4837512484.html
http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/ctd/4843845204.html
I just purchased and began modding my 996 with aero kit package...
And usually make it a rule not to continue my search after a purchase for fear of finding what would of been a better buy.
And this is why...
:/
Anyone else notice this 997 over in the Marketplace section?
Not sure what the real value of the car is and obviously some due diligence would be key (ie: asking Jake about it), but more interesting interesting than many 997's you see for sale.
2006 Porsche 9997 with Raby Stage II big bore
Year: 2006
Make: Porsche
Model: 911
Porsche Model: 911
Mileage (numbers only please): 78000
Options (Please check ALL which apply): Airbags, Air Conditioning, Alarm System, Antilock Brakes, Cruise Control, Foglamps, Intermittent Wipers, Leather Seats, Power Brakes, Power Door Locks, Power Steering, Power Windows, Sunroof, Traction Control
Color: Silver
Price (no $ sign please): $38000
Private or Dealer Listing: Private Listing
Location (Region): Midwestern
Body Style: Coupe
Transmission Type: Manual - 6 speed
2 or 4 Wheel Drive?: 2 Wheel Drive
Engine Type: Fuel Injection
Stereo System: AM-FM CD
7,000 miles on the freshly rebuilt motor done by Flat 6 Innovations (Jake Raby), cylinders bored out from 3.6L to 3.8L, and billet connecting rods were used. Total of $20,000 invested in the motor rebuilt. Provides more HP than the factory S model. New Bilstein shocks (adjustable) and stuts, heavy-duty swag bars, tuned for the track. Have yet to take it on the track though. Front rotors are drilled and slotted, rears are drilled. The car is in mint condition, paint is perfect, new tires, interior is clean as can be. Drives like none other, well-balance.
clever marketing
http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/4867105772.html
Are you divorced? Would you like to be divorced? Single or have an understanding partner? Well this is the car for you. This is a 1999 Porsche 911 with full time rear wheel drive and driver controlled gearbox.
It has 76,000 miles and has been well taken care of. The car has never been in an accident because natural causes killed the first owner and the second owner was able to react in time to everything... because it's a sports car. The body is in great shape and is perfectly curved to get physical with a partner. The only issue is a curb rash on one wheel from a run in with the Teleban. The interior is in perfect shape, everything is clean and pure. Radio works fine especially if you decide to listen to a song that was composed on a MacBook Pro.
Is it fast? Faster than a resident of Grand Rapids, MI can file a complaint. It feels like a go kart and making turns at 80mph seems easier than doing it at 40 mph. I wish this was my car so I could name it "Little Bastard" like James Dean. No check engine light is on and the exhaust sounds as good as a Phil Spector recording. Tires are in great shape. This car is MINT! Not as in RoadKill Mint, this is mint like a Peppermint Patty.
You can tell your friends it's a new car because 911s all look the same. If anyone questions you, ask them where their 911 is and why weren't they at the Porsche brunch at the Auto Cross. Why should you buy this car? Because it's good to go now! If you have the need for speed and don't feel like buying a supercharger from someone who will send you a 20 piece kit in 23 different boxes or care to go fishing for used Mustang parts... this bypasses all of the reasons to go to CVS to relieve your headache.
$21,000 and owner already bought a Tesla to save the wales so we can all eat more tuna. Car is rust free and was always garage kept.
Email me for the vin or to set up a test drive.
Car is in Chicago, IL and is ready to go anywhere. I can help with transport if you are a reasonable distance away.
Why am I selling it? Because I sold my soul for rock n' roll and now I need to buy it back, but I am keeping the rock n' roll.
http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/4869213833.html
Red
Aero
Leather
Authentic(?)
No affiliation. Priced close to reality. Or - trade for motorhome? hmmmmmmmm
That's my old car and has the X50 package. Ad is no longer posted, wonder if it sold. It has a lot of well done mods, (PSS9, sway bars, short shift kit, Europipe, etc.)
It came with the white wheels from the factory. I swapped them out for HRE's which I sold privately.
Damn, I want that car. At $18,000, that would be a smokin' deal on exactly the 996 I wanted (I ended up with a black one but I'm a serious guards red addict). Wonder if he'd trade for a 928S4 and a 951 and a right nut?
You can't trust him, he flies a brand P for 'plain'.
If it ain't a Bo - ah won't go.
Seriously, it's prolly a real nice car, didn't know it was offered.
Exactly... I'm tempted to go on their Ebay ad and throw in an offer in the $8-9k range, just to see what they have to say. I know it will be declined, but I think it's been listed for a while now. You're looking at what, $7-10K nowadays for a rebuilt motor with install?
ooff... a bit more than I was thinking, but I definitely believe it. I'm guessing they're willing to sit on it for a while, eventually the price will come down as they continue to get offers for less than $10k.
For everyone who was gushing over $10k being cheap for 99, here is your chance to put your money where your mouth is. There were at least two posters saying that they would buy high mileage 99 for 10k cash just because it was a steal. Play ball.
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/ctd/4895786094.html
1999 PORSHE 911 CARRERA $10,999 CASH DEAL - $10999 (TEMPE AZ)
1999 porsche 911 carrera odometer: 160 VIN:
WP0AA2994XS626826
paint color : grey size : compact type : coupe fuel : gas transmission : manual title status : clean cylinders : 6 cylinders
condition: like new
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1999 PORSCHE 911 CARRERA V6
CLEAN AND CLEAR AZ TITLE
ASKING $10,999 CASH DEAL TODAY
6 SPEED MANUAL
FULLY LOADED LEATHER
POWER EVERTHING
PREMIUM SOUND SYSTEM
A/C BLOWS ICE COLD
MOON ROOF
PREMIUM 18" PORSCHE WHEELS
MICHELIN TIRES
225/40ZR18
CRUSIE CONTROL
FOG LIGHTS
RIDE LIKE A DREAM!!
TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE 99 PORSCHE 911 TODAY CALL OR TEXT MARC @ [phone removed]
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That's definitely a player. My kid still has his learner's permit, but I'm thinking a high mileage 996 in the $10k range would be hard to beat. Would really like to get a C4 for him. And before anybody flames me, my older son had a 951 as his first car. No accidents, no tickets, no reports of dumbassery from the neighbors. I'll probably end up getting him a BMW sedan or something with 4 doors, but man it's hard to pass up a well-maintained high mileage 996 for $10k. I don't think I'd bother getting collision insurance for it in order to keep costs down. If he wrecks it, you sell the carcass and move on.
Heck, if it wasn't halfway across the country I would take it for a PPI, and upon getting a clean bill of health I'd buy that without a second thought.
I have a different view on this car Ryan.
The 16 year old car with 160k miles will be far from perfect, so PPI will obviously find a list of things "wrong with it"; which makes the PPI pointless in this case.
If the car runs well, engine sounds fine, it goes through gears and clutch isn't slipping you give the man $10k and drive away. In worst case scenario you are out $6k. If you can't risk $6k on this car and need a PPI, I don't believe this is the car for you.
This is the 911 you buy to beat the **** out of, not baby and maintain long term. You can clutch dump it, over rev it cold, park it in walmart parking lot, drive it off road, drive it in the snow, drive in 2 feet of water and not worry about it breaking. If it breaks, you dump it for $4k and you are out $6k, period. If this car lasts even 8 months of abuse, you got your money's worth out of it and you can keep on beating on it until it quits; when it quits, dump it for $4k.
2002 Porsche 911 Carrera Coupe Cobalt Blue Manual BLOWN ENGINE - $14900 (Bonita, CA)
2002 porsche 911 carrera 2 coupe odometer: 80000 paint color : blue type : coupe drive : rwd fuel : gas transmission : manual title status : clean cylinders : 6 cylinders
condition: fair
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This listing is for a 2002 Porsche 911 with a blown engine due to an IMS failure (very common in Porsches from 1999-2008). It also needs a repaint and it has a couple of dings on the drivers side (some tile fell on the car, long story). The windshield is cracked and needs replacement as well. The transmission is perfect and this car was always reliable and ran great until the sudden IMS failure. This car can be fixed with under $10,000 and you'll have a Porsche with a brand new engine and paint job and many factory options plus upgrades. There exists an IMS retrofit from LN Engineering that'll make the car bulletproof. If you are mechanically inclined, this is a great project car. It's also a great opportunity if you're looking to build a track car.
Here are the details:
2002 Porsche 911 Carrera 2 Coupe
Cobalt Blue Metallic paint (rare and expensive option)
Grey interior
Memory driver seat
Manual six-speed transmission
Bose sound system
6-disc cd changer
Evolution Motorsports high flow air intake and filter ($595 +tax)
Ruger R10 19" wheels ($2,000 +tax)
Fabspeed Motorsports Maxflo Exhaust System ($2,100 +tax)
OEM side skirts from the MKI aerokit ($1,840 +tax +paint and installation)
OEM center caps with full color Porsche emblem ($200 +tax)
OEM Euro clear side markers ($120 +tax)
I also had the center console painted in exterior color, calipers painted red with white Porsche logo, and more (overall this car has over $10,000 in tasteful mods)
That's maybe a $4,000 roller.
I wouldn't be looking for it to be perfect, mainly just making sure it's got good compression and isn't hiding any major frame damage from an unreported accident. Drive it hard for 1-3 years and then either dump it, or send out the motor for a rebuild and start replacing bits and pieces.
That is 6ta1 from this board selling his 40th Nr. 0251. If you search his posts you'll find that he did an extensive thread on all the work done to that car. Lots of history for anyone interested in it.
Porsche 911 Turbo Black 2001 AWD /Fully Serviced at Porsche Dealership - $32400 (Elkhart)
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo odometer: 60000 VIN:
WP0AB29981S685866
paint color : black size : compact type : coupe drive : 4wd fuel : gas transmission : manual title status : clean cylinders : 6 cylinders
condition: excellent
For more details search for this car on Craigslist of South Bend / Michiana
!!! Please note that I have the original taillights unpainted -- I will include them free of charge -- I understand if you are looking for the stock look !!!
Unfortunately I can't take this wonder with me where I am moving; the country where I am moving they only allow EU homologation. It will cost a lot to convert it from US standards and on top of that import taxes are a little high (18% on KBB value). . . I am better off buying another one there. . . So long story short someone is about to get really lucky with this turbo charged tank! Correction: Twin Turbo German charged tank!!!
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This beast is an absolute fun!!! It has 2 fresh k24 turbos !!!! These k24 turbos are the exact ones that come stock on the Turbo S!!! They are not some aftermarket brand. They are much bigger! Each turbo is a third bigger than the stock k16!!!!
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$3000 Bilstein B16 suspension. It is the best/most expensive suspension you can get for a 911. It has a lifetime warranty!!! You get to choose between 10 stages from soft to hard!!! No need of special tools or having to remove the wheels or to lift the car. Just pull over in a parking lot stick your hand behind the rims and adjust the *****!!!
I will provide you with original purchase receipt so you can enjoy the lifetime warranty!
Please understand Bilstein suspension is not a cheap alternative for stock. They are much better than stock. They come standard on so many super cars like the Aston Martin V12 Vantage.
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This 911 has a Titanium x-pipe exhaust system. I will also include the stock exhaust; comes with the nice x50 tips that look like this: cO Oɔ.
I do not recommend installing the stock exhaust system. The titanium system weighs 21lb only compared to 65lb for the stock. Titanium cools off a lot faster so your turbos run cooler. Plus the sound of the titanium xpipe makes this 911 very intimidating. Especially at low speeds. Also comes with lifetime warranty!
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If you don't like the tail lights; no worries; I have the stock ones, unpainted. They will be included with the car. Just need a Philips screw driver to install them; They have their own light bulbs.
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The interior looks very nice! The leather is very soft and has no tears. The motorized seats work very well. The steering wheel and the center console look new. The dashboard was actually replaced. The previous owner, from Dallas, let the car sit under direct sunlight which made the leather wrinkle up very bad on the dashboard. Porsche of Fort Wayne replaced it. I still have the original dash if you want it. Please note the airbag light is on. It came on one day after I picked up the car from the dealership. I never took it back because they are 2 hours away and I was hoping it will go away. There must be some lose connection somewhere. If you take it to them I guarantee they will fix it for free since it is still under one year since it was replaced. Please understand the car has never been in an accident. The hood still has the original Porsche factory sticker (see picture). The front bumper still has the original rare bumperettes in the front.
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The body is rust free. This 911 has only been in Indiana for one year. It has never seen the salt until this year. Plus this year hasn't been as bad.
Please feel free to look at the free carfax included to see that this car has never been in a car accident. Please also note in it how the mileage is actual. When I titled the car here in Indiana they told me they had to mark the mileage as exempt because the dealership I bought the car from never provided all documents to prove the mileage was actual. You can actually prove to the DMV that the mileage is actual and they can correct it on the title. Again please note the carfax says this car is flawless and mileage is correct.
All the fluids were replaced (engine / transmission / brake / differentials / coolant). The oxygen sensors are new ($200 x 4!) They were replaced when the titanium exhaust was installed. The tires are Sumitomo which is Japanese, owned by Goodyear. I couldn't justify spending $1500 on the Michelins. I do have the Michelin tires but they are old from 2012.
The all-wheel drive and the traction control works flawlessly. The ABS is great! New 200$ battery from Germany installed!
The only thing the car can use is a new double din car stereo. The current one is kind of old.
Before buying this Turbo, I went through a bunch of 911's and I can assure you this one is priced way below the rest. Plus this 911 is up to date on maintenance! Many Turbo's out there, especially the ones sold by dealerships, are detailed and have their pictures taken in a fancy studio and that's it. . . Service has to be up to date or else you don't get anywhere near the full HP! Please see the service records below so you can see how the authorized dealership dropped the engine and gave it some serious lovel!!!
Folks, this works better if you copy & paste from the ad rather than just providing the link. That way, the info stays up for more than just a few days.
I offered well less than $10k for the roller and was not so politely dismissed and given a line about $4000 replacement engines, etc, etc.
Their bottomline is $12.9k. $7k above the value of the car as is. It's to bad because it would make a nice project.
That car was local to us. The engine was not reconstructed, it basically had our #2 preventative package applied to an engine that had been pulled from a lower mileage, salvage vehicle.
That is NOT a Raby engine, remember, we have a repair division here that applies preventatives as well.
200,000k is a little excessive. For this year is it worth the buy with that much mileage? I think $10k is a little high for that mileage. If it were half that it would be ok.
Info from the link above:
2001 Porsche 911 Carrera Aero Coupe - $18000 (Uptown Imports)
2001 Porsche 911 Carrera Aero Coupe odometer: 95115 VIN:
WP0AA29971S622325
type : coupe transmission : automatic title status : clean
2001 Porsche 911 Carrera Aero Coupe Offered by: Uptown Imports � [phone removed] � $18,000
VIN:
WP0AA29971S622325
Stock #: 622325
Condition: Used
Mileage: 95,115
MPG: 17 city / 25 highway
Exterior: Arctic Silver Metallic
Interior: Graphite Grey Leather
Body: Two-Door Coupe
Transmission: Automatic
Engine: 3.4L Flat 6
Uptown Imports Website:
www.uptown-imports.com
Address: 1208 Spring Cypress Rd Spring, TX 77373
Phone: [phone removed]
Text [phone removed] for quick answers to your questions.
Oh, that's just the AWD delete on a C4 or C4S. If you remember correctly, Captain Obvious did that mod to his C4S because he liked the way RWD only handled.
It does say it has a clean carfax, so it has to be a good car. It also has the deviated bumper color/body color option which we all know makes it super collectible. I can just see some non porsche person saying "did the engine fall out that hole"?
I believe it's the added environmental cooling upgrade. Only a handful came with this standard feature. Many people ridiculed porsche for being so out of the box, but it's paying off in spades now.
Surprisingly I don't see any creased or wrinkled frame rail on either side. I'm curious as to what kind of accident occurred. Seems like they ran over something more than anything else to rip off the underside without having much impact to the frame rails.
I know people are always looking for new seats. Set of 997 GT3 black hardbacks in NY. is $4,000 the going rate for these.
http://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/pts/4908328939.html
Renegade Motors LS3 conversion in Plano, TX. I think the price is insane ($37,500), but at least they added TPMS.
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/cto/4866522461.html
1999 Porsche 911 C4 odometer: 170000 fuel : gas transmission : manual title status : clean cylinders : 8 cylinders
condition: excellent
This is an awesome example of reliablility and power in a Porsche 911
If you research, you will find there are several design issues with Porsche 911 engines from 1999-2004 that result in total engine replacement (IMS, RMS)
This is the solution.
A massively powerfull, bulletproof Chevy power plant good for hundreds of thousands of miles.
The Chevy 430hp, 6.2 liter LS3, with a conversion kit and labor this car was transformed into a corvette powered Porsche that has all the power of a 911 turbo with the low rpm torque that a turbo can not even dream of.
This was the prototype conversion performed in house by Renegade Hybrids (
http://www.renegadehybrids.com
)
It is the actual car used in the promotional videos on their website
996 V8 by Renegade Hybrids - YouTube
This is a 1999 Porsche 911 C4 (AWD) with a 6-spd trans.
The body has 175K on it, The engine is a new crate engine with about 8-10K on it
the tires are almost new Conti Extreme contact tires
TPMS has been added to the car,
Runs great, sounds great
Cheap to maintain, awesome to enjoy!
This is the link to their video:
996 V8 by Renegade Hybrids - YouTube
Their website is:
www.renegadehybrids.com
FYI:
the car is located in Plano,Tx
The company that did the conversion is in Las Vegas.
Either the seller just doesn't want to cope and could be a great deal, or a time bomb about to go off.
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac...933883732.html
Guessing the later... but maybe someone like to gamble.
Like the plague I would avoid this car.
If you can't take 15 seconds to make a proper ad, what are the odds you spend any time whatsoever maintaining the car? No thanks.
I give people a pass on that sometimes, never know if English is their strong language, and I've been known to write some pretty funny rushed/drunk things myself. Plus I don't trust anyone trying to sell me something anyway...
=)
Wonder what it would be to part the car out if the engine was totally shot? Could maybe turn into a few grand worth of a gamble if someone is in the area and has a garage.
Or do the Gas Monkey thing and only show up with 4k in cash?
What questions would you ask anyway? Someone asks me about my car, and they have money in their hand, I'm going to say just about anything (legal) to get that money in my hand.
=)
So again, the seller isn't someone to trust unless they are proven to be trustworthy, and even then they are trying to sell you something...
I'd just want to hear it run, take my stethoscope around it, see if the engine noise could be pinpointed, and go from there. The only question I'd really have of the owner is "where is the car".
True about the only thing the seller could say to have any impact on my decision would be on how low they would go on the price.
For that amount you get what you pay for and it's up to a buyers due diligence after that.
Jalopnik did an article on somebody selling a well documented conversion car that he was selling for 25k. I think the owner is a member here. $37,500 is turbo money for a bastard conversion.
The funny thing is that I like the 996 and I love the LS motors so if this car was reasonably priced I might consider it... Sadly that isn't the case.
For the same price you could buy the vert in LA (provided the car wasn't stolen, it looks a little too nice to be parked in front of a dumpster. yank the motor sell it for core bait and pick up the Renegade kit and required bits to go along with it. You would still be money ahead of what that guy is asking.
Based off the price that renegade quoted me to do the swap, I see why this guy has the car priced at $37k. Realistically, that guy is shooting for the stars with his asking price. I wish him the best of luck, but it likely won't go for that much.
I sold mine for $25k after it was an internet superstar for a few weeks and made national TV. My car had fewer miles, but it only had an LS1 (his is LS3).
http://996ls1.blogspot.com/
Halfway down the page is the stuff I could find about the car.
You missed a deal of the century couple years ago, there was a LS converted 996 that sold for $13k. This was before LS options were in vogue for the 996.
in my experience (non-Porsche) modifications typically add 1/2 the cost of the new parts and no labor. It is worth noting that my experience is mostly in cars where the owners are more DIY than the Porsche community (ea, Ford Mustangs)
Man, I sure wish there were some nice cars for sale posted up here once in a while instead of all the bloopers... I can find overpriced junk on craigslist everyday, no help needed.
OK, this looks promising - a 2001 cabriolet, seal gray, high miles and a little maintenance needed but still waiting on an opening bid of $9,500. Is this anyone here's car? Appears to be knowledgeable seller, although not sure I agree with the comment about problems with the MY 1999 & 2000 cars. Sounds like it needs an AOS.
If his reserve is that $9,500 starting bid, that would be a great deal. Given the penchant for new owners to drop a bunch of money on just purchased cars to replace a bunch of stuff that's not broken, an AOS shouldn't be a big deal - if you drop the engine to do the standard IMSB swap, the AOS is a WYAIT part anyway. A PPI would tell you a lot and I wouldn't even think about it without a PPI.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=161653736874
https://reno.craigslist.org/cto/4895022874.html
Looks like a really nice coupe at a fair price. Replaced RMS IMS and crankshaft bolts 2k miles ago. No affiliation just a local car to me and would be more than willing to go check it out, and facilitate a PPI at Reno Rennsport (the only shop I have do major work on my 996). Just let me know!
http://goldcountry.craigslist.org/cto/4957499093.html
Here is what seems like a great deal. Ad is a little vague in terms of work done but a sub 90k mile MK2 askin $18,500?!? Bargain.
Feels good viewing this thread since it gives me reassurance to my decision to purchase one. Less than 4 months ago I was a Porsche noob not knowing anything about 996s other than they were afforded under 20k.
I bought mine 2 weeks into my search. A 2000 Porsche 996 clean title 80k 6speed coupe needed some TLC but it was the color I wanted, aero kit equipped, and came with minor mods that help spirit the passion for these cars all for $13.5...
I bought it with out every hearing of IMS and PPI.
Just did some fluid checks, a quick test drive, and an overall expection and I was sold.
Fast forward to today although I'm almost at the purchase price alone in modifications I won't ever look back or plan to sell.
I now know why my uncle told me several years ago when I inquired about his passion and love for Porsches he told me with a smile "once you go Porsche you never go back."
Funny thing is if I had known about this website and the "horror stories" threads I would have probably never owned one in my lifetime and bought a NSX.
Some food for thought
Not the deal of the century but seems fairly reasonable compared to what I'm seeing on CL, Ebay, and Autotrader lately:
http://chico.craigslist.org/cto/4919885906.html
Oooh. Chico isn't too far away. I may have to add this one to my list of prospects!
Just over the upper end of my range, but it may be worth the stretch if I get some more $ together and it's still around.
[QUOTE=Ryan...;12209264]2003 Boxster S,
3675 original miles
- $30,500.
i see your 03 Boxster and raise you an 03 4S for $17500.
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/cto/4980511263.html
Ad says it comes with stock turbo twists and winter tires as well.
Original IXX so you can probably show all the hyped up IXX pics to the owner and knock a couple thousand off right there too. lol
http://www.ebay.com/itm/271842599803?forcerRptr=true&item=271842599803&viewitem=&ul_ref=http%3A%2F%2Frover.ebay.com%3A80%2Frover%2F0%2Fe11021.m43.l3160%2F7%3Feuid%3Dab98ce3ffa904d51af1f420c66906495%26loc%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fcgi.ebay.com%252Febaymotors%252Fws%252FeBayISAPI.dll%253FViewItem%2526item%253D271842599803%26exe%3D11896%26ext%3D29353%26srcrot%3De11021.m43.l3160%26rvr_id%3D0A nice cobalt blue 996TT at a reasonable price on eBay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=201329380904
A super high miles car for sale cheap - $10,995. But, appears to be in nice condition and nicely optioned. Buy it, and if you get 2 years out of it, then you come out ahead. Who knows, if you only put 5,000 or so miles per year on it you might get 4 or 5 years out of it and then pass it on in running condition for more than what you paid for it. You can always sell the carcass and not be hurt too bad if it gives up the ghost early.
I don't know if a 997.1 steering wheel will fit our cars or not, but here's a nearly new one super cheap:
https://kansascity.craigslist.org/pts/4978933122.html
If interested, it is in the same suburb as the auto museum, so can't be far. Let me know if you need any help.
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/4992840009.html
Black on black C2 coupe with 83,000 miles in Kansas City. Asking $13,000. No affiliation. Let me know if anyone wants me to go check it out.
Wow - I am surprised no one is interested in this car. It is still listed for sale. I would think a black/black 6 speed coupe with 83k miles that you could probably get for $12k would draw some interest. Even though I am saving my pennies for a turbo, this is actually a candidate to flip.
By the way, I don't know what's going on around here right now, but there are 8 996s up for sale on the Kansas City Craigslist at the moment. Normally there are one or two at a time, so at the moment it's "996-a-palooza" in the home of the defending American League Champion Royals. Since I am in search mode for a Turbo and having severe 996 withdrawal, I am happy to assist anyone interested in checking out a local car. Otherwise I'll be forced to spend time with the 928.
Yeah, but literally the minute I buy it, the perfect Turbo will magically appear and for some stupid reason, wifey will not understand why I would need a 4th P-car in the garage. Pfft, women . . . can't live with 'em, not supposed to shoot 'em.
Asking price just got reduced on this one by $5,000 today. Getting tempting for me with that price drop, but I'm still thinking high mileage one for around $30k plus prefer guards red or speed yellow (although I really like the seal gray also). Anyhow, if someone is interested in it, I'd be happy to go check it out for you. That would give me an excuse to go test drive it - I don't want to waste the guy's time since it is out of my desired price range.
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/4979385977.html
**Porsche 911 Turbo** - $42500 (Mission Hills, KS)
2001 porsche 911 turbo odometer: 29800
paint color : grey
type : coupe
transmission : manual
title status : clean
condition: excellent
Seal grey 2001 996 Twin turbo with Gemballa after market upgraded body kit and wheels. Modified straight from the factory, Orig. sticker price at over $127k before upgrades (sticker included). Porsche options include carbon fiber interior kit ($6k) and navigation system and CD player. Standard four wheel drive and 6 speed transmission. Gemballa (after market Porsche designer from Stuttgart, Germany) upgrades include custom nose and rear spoiler, markings and stickers and Gemballa custom 3 piece lightweight racing wheels.
Additional modifications: short shift kit, aluminum racing pedals, Fab Speed exhaust system, K&N filter.
Less than 30k original miles, garaged, looks sharp, very fast and a sweet ride. Real head turner, super car at a sports car price.
Few chips in the front paint, rear spoiler, otherwise very clean. PRICE REDUCED
Sounds too good to be true. Maybe you show up and owner explains that there was a 1 missing in front of the price?
Either that or they are waiting for Johnny Irish type to come and take a look at it just to rob him of any cash on him and steal a nice Rolex in the process too. Those guys have moved on from iPhones and figured Porsche 993 potential buyers will have more loot on them.
The add for the 993 is a scam
I have seen this add a couple of times when I first started looking for cars
I am pretty sure it was the same car listed in Wyoming and when I called and said I would come look the car the seller had some BS story about it not being there.
Beware the Austin deal. The guy claims the car is well kept ,blah,,blah but also claims it has a 'Twin turbo v6' ! Yes a V6. Not such a knowledgeable Porschephile.
The 993 for $17500 is a typical craigslist "typo"...the sellers knows exactly what they are doing. Somebody should send this to the 993 forum and watch the heart attacks.
I'm just curious when is the car market hottest and when is it very slow? I'd figure from after tax season to beginning of school in fall it should be pretty hot. Is my thinking correct?
31k Canadian that 26 grand US
For a 2001 turbo, rebuilt though
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo
Price: $31,900
Kms: 62,000
Style: AWD Turbo 2dr Coupe
Engine: 3.6L V6
Transmission: Automatic 6-Speed
Fuel: Gasoline
Drive Train: AWD
Exterior Color: Black
Interior: Black leather
Air Conditioning, Climate Control, Cruise Control, Power Steering, Power Windows, Power Door Locks, Power Mirrors, Power Drivers Seat, Power Passenger Seat, Memory Seat Position, Tilt Steering Wheel, Driver Airbag, Passenger Airbag, Side Airbags, Keyless Entry, Security System, ABS Brakes, Rear Defogger, Fog Lights, Intermittent Wipers, AM/FM, Cassette, Anti-Theft, Full Leather Interior Surface, Center Console, Heated Mirrors, HID Headlamps, Premium Sound, Rear Spoiler, Rear Spoiler, Remote Trunk Lid, Roll Stability Control, Xenon , Full Leather seats
ower 6 year..
price to sell $31.900
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2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 2002 2003 2004
It seems to be a '74 or later car. The '71 trunk area of the chassis/tub looked like this (hence the "long hood" for shorthand).
Struggling to understand how that could be modified to result in the advertised car; never seen it done. A nicely done project of that vintage will still ordinarily come out with a snout something like this:
Not trying to throw cold water on your interest - just trying to be helpful.
Deal of the century?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=281683304701
with only 18 hours left in this auction, this 44k mile '00 cab is at $12,600 with no reserve.
I have no affiliation, but I'm interested in seeing what this one ends up at.
Are you guys aware this is a rebuilt title? Still cheap for a low mile driver, but hard to classify anything with a rebuilt title as deal of the century material
I'd certainly gamble on a rebuilt title with what appears to be a moderate front end collision. Especially at the current price of $12,700. Too bad it's a convertible.
Even with the bad title, this has got to be worth at least $5k more than what it's at..... though to be honest, I didn't realize it was a rebuilt when I posted.
http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/5024642800.html
Cheapest 2004 I've seen with that mileage. 51K! Not sure why the link won't transfer over properly.
http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/5024642800.html
Up for sale is my black/black, manual 2004 C2. It has just over 51k on the clock. The car runs great, with some additions such as aftermarket steering wheel, BBS 19' wheels, K&N filter, IPD plenum, GT3 ignition coils, LED tail lights, Turbo front section etc...
This vehicle has salvage history, but a clean title.
It is a two owner car. Please text/call with any questions.
Not sure how he can advertise it with a clean title but a "salvage history".
Often when a title is transferred to a new state, the "brand" on the title is dropped. The title may have previously shown "rebuilt/salvage/junk", but when the title was reissued, the brand status was dropped. So the title can actually appear clean, but indeed have a branded history. The seller is actually being more forthcoming than many, as he is disclosing the previous history as opposed to trying to sneak it past an assuming buyer. I have no idea why some states drop the branding on the title. Look up "title washing" for more info.
Nice silver 2000 coupe with aero kit and 74k miles in east Texas asking $16k and negotiable. Too bad it's a tippy, but it you want a slush box, looks like a great deal.
http://easttexas.craigslist.org/cto/5023161983.html
I think he should keep the car and drop the wife as this is what she wrote in the ad:
"my husband is over his mid life crisis ..selling car with low miles 74, actual miles.."
Sounds as if she is the crisis and the car was his escape.
I write this as I am looking over my shoulder in case my wife detects a disturbance in the force.
kcattorney - I'm interested in the mesh front 996TT. I'm out of state and was hoping to find someone who could check it out. Problem is, the reply button on craigslist does not pull up contact info. How would I best contact you if you're open to helping out? Thanks!
woolleyl: I can get the ad to come up by clicking on the link that I pasted into the post here on Rennlist, but have the same problem as you in that the "reply" button does not function. When I search for the car on the Kansas City craigslist site, it does not come up. So, my guess is that it is not currently active in craigslist's system. I will check around and see if I can figure out if that car is still for sale and/or who owns it. It could be that they just took it off the market for a little while and will post it again later.
As for contacting me, I will send you a Private Message ("PM") via rennlist with my contact info. It should pop up on your inbox shortly.
I wanted that, until I saw this:
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/cto/5038346854.html
What is the 996 collected wisdom on this car? IMS yes, clutch yes, sport susp yes. Me like.
Beautiful car - I am a sucker for Guards Red. Probably more like an $18,000 car max with those miles. I believe that's a convertible's rear spoiler as the normal Mk I coupe aero rear spoiler was a taco wing. Not sure if that's OE. Would like to see the options sticker -XAA is the aero option code.
Do it doc!
It has the Carrera Aero Kit, which was an optional Aero Kit only offered in 2001. It's essentially the same kit but with a different, non-taco wing
I wanted to buy one just like that in Louisiana months ago but I was too late to find it and someone else scooped it up.
Well, I called and chatted with the seller a bit. He sounds like an enthusiast, and has taken care of the car well. I might go see it on Sat if the weather is ok.
I have a 2002 C2 with the same wing from the factory as a "X##" code option. My car has the aero rocker panels as an option as well, but not the front spoiler.
woolleyl: That seal gray turbo with the Gemballa kit just came up for sale again. I will contact the seller and try to do a Rennfax for you. Did you get the email I sent you a. Couple of weeks ago?
Attached are pics of the interior on this vehicle. Price lowered to $15,500. The seller is proving difficult to get in contact with.
As a total newb I was hoping I could get a few questions answered.
1. Whats a good price on this vehicle if the IMS Bearing has NOT been replaced? Like ~$14k?
2. Whats the best way to get a PPI in a town in the middle of no where when I live in Las Vegas? Just call shops around the area and try and find someone knowledgeable on the 996? The closest Porsche dealership is over 2 hours from the location of the vehicle.
This guy is selling some OEM parts:
http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/pts/5059616169.html
Including a new clutch kit for $300 for the 3.6.
The parts available for sale would fit the 996 Carrera, some would also fit the Boxster.
Please see photos for reference of the list below:
GT3 style side skirts (painted black, never mounted) - $300
Willwood System hitch, towing system for the 911 (mounted to the included support bar) - $350
Underbody lining for the 996 - $80
New clutch kit for the 3.6 - $300
GT3 brake ducts, will fit the 996 and 986 - $30 for the pair
Steel braided brake lines by Agency Power, front and rear - $100
Clear side markers for both 996 and 986 - $40
Wheel spacers 7mm - $40
New oil separator with all the new vent hoses and ring - $150
Driver side door shell, black in good condition just a few dings - $150
Lobster claw 19" rims (front and rear, sold each) - $200 a piece or $500 for 2 fronts and 1 rear
Straight pipes with performance cats (project, unfinished with the welding) - $200
Airbag for the Cayenne - $250
You can text me with any questions at 7 zero 8 833 two 3 four four.
Thanks for looking!
Here are a few in the Los Angeles (CA) area:::
99 Boxster 7K
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac...065170025.html
07 Cayman 16K
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb...066478962.html
2010 Panamera 48K
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...023480670.html
1999 996 16K
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv...067470448.html
2000 996 16K
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst...054152102.html
2006 997 30K
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...066448985.html
2011 Cayenne Turbo 59K
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...020459410.html
I hope if anyone buys one of these they will remember me when they want some wheels! LOL
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I have no affiliation to this one, and it's not even that close to where I live (it came up in a Search Tempest search). 2002 C4S coupe, 127k miles, $19k:
http://westernmass.craigslist.org/cto/5071845200.html
Text:
This is an AWD 2002 Porsche 911 C4S, 6 speed manual. It has 127,000 well loved (babied) miles and has had 0 problems. It last had a 90k service done with a new clutch and tires, oil filer tube replacement and new drive belt. Oil changes have been with Mobil 1 0w40 every 5k. Zero worries or issues with IMS/RMS. Don't be turned off by the miles....its rock solid and a blast to drive. I love this car and really don't want to sell it but I need something bigger due to family expansion. I hope someone can enjoy it as much as I have. I will also include four 18" snow tires on separate wheels (this car goes anywhere) that were used for one season for interested buyers. Email and texts are welcome and every inquiry will be answered. Note : This car does NOT have PCCB. The calipers are finished in yellow.
If you like maroon, that's a nice looking Cayenne S that seems to be well cared for. I wonder what the mileage is, though - if they don't list the miles, it ain't gonna be low miles. Even with high miles, $11,900 asking isn't bad. Of course, you can easily find nice examples of same year X5's with 100,000 to 150,000 for around $8,000.
This one has piqued my interest. IMS done, I love the color. If you are in LA, and want to mosey over there let me know.
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb...075714578.html
Interesting 996 Turbo here in San Diego.
Salvage title and high-ish miles but I haven't seen a sub-$30k Turbo, yet.
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/5075477755.html
That's my car.
Please find me a $30k 996TT coupe with a stick and clean title.
My car is the cheapest 996TT with a manual in the country. It's a car ready to drive, doesn't need any $$ thrown at it.
Do post when your TT gets sold ^^. It is a TT for C4S money; and buyer has to be looking for a car to drive, not to keep pristine.
For the right person, your TT makes perfect sense.
Cheapest clean title 6MT turbo I've seen
2002 99k miles
$32980 OBO
Sport seats
Ruf steering wheel, shift ****, bumper and wing
Sport seats w/ alcantara inserts
No mention of engine mods, but it does have aftermarket intercooler hoses, which are typically not a 1st mod, so there is a good chance it has a flash and exhaust as well.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161747943066
http://www.ultimatems.com/vehicle-de...3c5869a76c6d4/
Unless you have to have an OEM X50, it really doesn't mean much on a car out of warranty as there are plenty of aftermarket solutions that can get you as much or more power IMO. So an x50 to me at least holds less value than say an x51 package on a NA car. It is a vert which is a bit rare on a turbo model so that is a plus. Tiptronic may or may not jibe with some, especially on a high hp car. And obviously 100k mileage may scare off quite a few peeps. At those miles, it has no mention on the condition or the originality of the turbos themselves which could also set you back more $. My $.02
K&N filter
Modified air box
Aftermarket rear wing (RUF?)
Alcantara front seat inserts
Modified GT2 front bumper
Good looking car with some mods. I'm going to bet it has a tune too.
Should've waited for this one to come along, although a dark grey leather interior would be a better combo. Not sure what makes this "limited edition." That green though......
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/5106317978.html
That green 911 was a limited edition sold in 2000 which had special paint and a few other options. as per below.
https://www.mecum.com/lot-detail/CA0...ition/6-Speed/
[QUOTE=juncinv;12409551]That green 911 was a limited edition sold in 2000 which had special paint and a few other options. as per below.
Don't think so. The millennium came in violet chroma flair metallic. This one is definitely green. Hence my wonderment at the "limited edition". Find me a millennium edition for 19K and I'll buy it for you.
Here's the response I got when I enquired about the aforementioned "limited edition" status:
Hi [redacted], the limited edition is based on the custom color paint which was a $3k upgrade and the supple all leather front and back savanna beige interior a $1.5k upgrade.
The term "rare" is probably the more appropriate term to use in this case over "limited edition". Fwiw, I've never seen a mk1 with that dark green color myself.
$3k less than the one I posted a week ago, so I think this now takes over the "cheapest clean title 996T 6MT" crown.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/231614864141
2001 911 Turbo 6MT
VIN:
WP0AB29951S688028
112,000 miles
Gray ext/ black int
$30,000 OBO
Seller Notes: �2001 Porsche 996 twin turbo. drives and runs perfectly. all scheduled maintenance. new clutch. new tires, brakes. Factory roll bar. ECU tuning for 1.2 bar and 480 hp. No mechanical problems known and daily driver. Ridiculously quick and powerful with ECU upgrade. Have owned for the past 4 years and love this car! making room in the garage for other projects. clear title in hand�
I've seen 3 clean title TT 's for lower in the past. $23k, 27k, 28k. All legit and running. Of course I've been scouring the web for the past 5 years daily.
^Yes, that one on ebay looks like a great deal http://www.ebay.com/itm/231614864141?forcerRptr=true&item=231614864141&viewitem= Very tempting - it is one of my 4 color choices (although #4 of the 4). I think it will get bought pretty quickly. I have relatives in town and am going on vacation in a couple of weeks, otherwise I think I'd be putting a deposit and ordering a PPI on that one.
$25,888 for this one with 107k miles and tiptronic. Price just dropped today by $3,000. Seems very cheap to me, although no mention of a salvage title or other problems in the advertisement. Interior is a mix of gray & tan, so a bit unusual.
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invento...ting=112957395
My guess is that it has some sort of history despite the dealership's silence in the advertisement. It does not say anything about the title. I think the dealer could run it through the auction and get $26k or more for it if it had a clean title. So, why would they bother with trying to sell it to a consumer if that were the case?
CL find of the day in Birmingham, AL:
https://bham.craigslist.org/cto/5112113278.html
"1999 Porsche 911 Carrera. Convertible top does not work and it needs new leather in seats.
$6,500.00 OBO"
My guess is it was factory tan and grey with the wood veneer option. Where the veneer cracked they replaced it with black from a salvage car.
I saw a cheap c2 with full wood veneer that had cracked and delaminated in every place you see black on this car.
I agree with your assessment with the dash part but what I was getting at was the grey carpet. Grey carpet is definitely not part of the color combo with the tan dash.
Here's a question: Considering the norm in mileage, how much more should one pay for a real low mileage car (e.g. less than 40K miles) before it starts to get ridiculous? What I mean is even if the car has 10 miles on the odo, it still doesn't mean that it's that much closer to MSRP.
I just saw an MKI cab with 20K miles on it for $33k. The norm for this car with 80K miles would be.... what? $18K - $20K. So this is $13K - $15K more. Is it worth it? At the end, it's still a 16 year old car and its not going to be a classic any time soon.
I don't think that is such a car, but up to MY00 they offered a deviating leather option where you could have two different color leathers mixed throughout the car. Like every thing else Porsche when it comes to options there was a sliding scale from just seat inserts to designating almost each individual piece's color if I remember correctly.
We had designed what would have been a gorgeous black/gray scheme, but then they dropped those options in MY01 when we finally got our build slot
As noted before, my primary suspicion was the mismatched carpeting color to the rest of the interior. When's the last time you saw a grey carpeting with tan interior combo? I don't know too many that would replace it with that combo unless they were trying to repair/replace something on the cheap. You gotta wonder what other things(mechanical) they might've cheaped out on or if there are any hidden issues.
Maybe the person was color blind and the sales guy didn't want to offend him, not trying to be funny but I know someone who looks at beige paint and sees pink. Granted beige paint uses red and yellow mixed into a white base to get the beige but he can point to two color chips, one of pink and one of beige and sees the same color.
You don't necessarily need to be color blind to experience different perception of color. For example, do you see this as a blue and black dress or do you see it as a gold and white dress?
Not necessarily. I'm willing to bet a certain portion of RL members see it one way while others see it different.
Hold this pic up to your friends and see if everyone agrees on the color.
On the dress, my wife and son say white & gold. My wife and son both have brown eyes and they see white/gold, I have green eyes, my brother has blues eyes along with two other of my friends and we all see blue. I realize this is way off topic but I am curious if there is any correlation of eye color and how we process color?
To get back on topic, a 2000 C4 6spd Cab with 102,000 for $17,950.
https://raleigh.craigslist.org/ctd/5108203119.html
I think this is a pretty nice find for a 996.2. Thinking about going to take a look at it. Thoughts?
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/5115305279.html
Well, it's super cheap, and I read an article online yesterday that said you don't need to do a PPI on a Porsche priced dirt cheap. If anything turns out to be wrong with it, you just have the seller buy it back.
If there's no reply, it's sold. Remember that there are people that do this for a living and they're on CL all the time waiting for that one great deal.
Interesting. If I didn't just add the Boxster project, this one might be interesting, depending on how it looks/drives.
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/5145608343.html
Wow, that does have potential, depending on what the needs are. So many people buy a car and do a bunch of initial maintenance, it's needs may be things that some people would do anyway or could be done WYAIT. Although it's not what I'm looking for, it would be interesting to hear from one of the San Diego gang what the story is with that car. I'll bet there's something to do with the AOS - seeing your Porsche billow clouds of smoke can be enough to induce anyone to park it.
Here's a new listing on Cargurus.com that just popped up today: 2001 996 Turbo Coupe, 54,000 miles, 6-speed, silver over black, asking $35.900. No pics on the Cargurus site or on the dealer's website (doesn't even show up there yet). It's at a Cadillac dealer in Norman, OK.
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invento...ting=120395145
I don't know, the last I heard was over 50K miles on a turbo is like over 150K on a plain jane. Isn't that right KC?
All jokes aside though, I do agree with kabby.
You're not far off, last I heard from the turbo forum was that the equation was a ten fold equivalent. So 50,000 miles is actually like 500,000 miles and the car should be stricken from the surface of the earth. Much like the 993 crowd believes that a $50,000 car is actually worth $180,000 and 5 quarts of unicorn semen.
Kc have you had any cars come up that were within you're criteria. I know you've been looking so anything I can do to help you find one let me know. I browse all the time.
Long time lurker new to the forum trying to get some exposure on my 996 for sale. I feel its a good price someone should help me get this car out there!
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv...142059594.html
Nice looking car you have there Taylor. Cabriolet with hardtop. 6-speed. Nice alumalook gauges. Looks reasonably priced at $19,500. Here's the ad:
Hello,
I have my beloved 2002 Porsche 911 Carrera 4 for sale
Clean title
Carfax in hand
106k miles
3.6L runs excellent
Sounds phenomenal
6 speed transmission has an excellent feel and goes through the gears sharply.
AWD in a Porsche is an excellent combination. Loads of grip and confidence really make this an amazing driver's car.
The interior is very clean. The black leather is in good condition, no holes or tears.
All creature comforts work great. Cold A/C.
Head unit replaced with a high quality Alpine unit with Bluetooth, USB, and auxiliary.
The top works perfectly.
Victor equipment Innsbruck Porsche wheels 19" and wide! Excellent tires.
The pictures speak for themselves
I absolutely love this car, and am hoping to own a newer one soon.
Please don't expect a test drive without payment in hand.
Call text or email
Taylor
Probably too new (I believe you are looking for a 996, not 997) and it probably has the wrong transmission, but our local Porsche dealer has a 2008 speed yellow turbo. No affiliation with them.
http://www.porschebellevue.com/used/...252fc4628d.htm
Brad
Appears the PDK was introduced in 2009 on the non-turbo pcars and 2010 on the Turbo.
Part of the high price on this example is the low 5k miles on the odometer.
KC: not your color, but the price is close.
http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/5144016714.html
Not sure why someone would want to convert the driveline to rear wheel drive. I would think it would be hard to get traction from just the rear tires with this much power.
That sounds too good to be true. I would be cautious with that one as it could have some hidden damage/issues/previous accidents that haven't made it onto carfax/etc.
This one has been for sale for over 3 months at this dealer. The price originally started at about $30k, now down to $28k. NADA clean trade in is $29k. The value includes over $6k for low mileage.
Carfax is clean title, but good and lack of maintenance depending on the owner shown in the report.
It appears in great shape and only has 47k miles on it. Appears to be more of a garage queen car.
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/5144903097.html
Looks like a C2, not a C4. Seems like no great bargain for a C2 cab with a Tip, mileage notwithstanding. And that badge on the deck lid looks a little crooked, though that could just be the angle of the photo rather than sketchy body work.
I'm going to look at this one on the weekend:
http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/nvn/cto/5147965693.html
Prices are probably about 20% higher here in Canada than in the US.
What do you think?
Much more fun to drive, drops 70+lbs off the car (including unsprung and rotational mass), better mpg, longer clutch life, easier clutch engagement, burnouts, donuts and the car is faster.
I created front axle deletes so people can convert to 2WD and not tear apart the driveline. Shaves an additional 3lbs off the factory CV axle stubs.
CBDE4D7E-17F2-402F-A1CB-DD968150E692_zpscrn8zjb6.jpg
3ADCA52A-3CFC-4A73-936C-C287039B9F43_zpsyestersu.jpg
No need to pull the fuse, just hit the PSM button.
Oh interesting. Didn't know that. Thanks for the edumacation.
I assumed the GT2 which is RWD and same body had the same carriers as the C4S/Turbo but it appears the GT2 infact has different carriers(99634115791 vs. 99634115504).
not craigslist but got a good chuckle outa this one....where do people some of their information?
read the comparison
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=252048410928
That's a member here and he said he got a full gt3 conversion done at one point. I asked to see pics of the motor since guy didn't have gt3 brakes either. Crickets after that... I see that the ad is more accurate than one of his posts here. It's still a very nice car and I wish him luck.
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/ctd/5154852046.html
What say the collective?
It's not black, silver, gray. Has IMS bearing job. Aero.
I should go check it out.
Nice guards red aero coupe. Not much to pick at - it seems to be ready to go.
I still think you should have bought that one a couple of months ago with the "Carrera" style rear wing.
http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/ctd/5154852046.html
Wonder why the dealer says condition is fair and not excellent or good? Stunning car, love the red with tan interior.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...01938031&Log=0
This one has been for sale since June 1 at this dealer. 2002 gray and gray convertible with 62k miles.
Very nice!! Getting warmer . . . strongly prefer black interior. Would take higher miles to get the price down to the $35k range - doubt this seller would drop $7k or $8k.
Thanks for the lead!
Appreciate the offer. I've got a bro in Sandy Eggo that is an indy mechanic, he's going to look at it first. If it makes it past him, I might hit you up for some 911 professional eyes on it.
69k miles tiptronic 996TT at a Ford dealer in Wayne, MI with a $33,500 asking price. Silver over black, wood trim.
http://jdemmerford.com/Detroit/For-S...-Car/42262240/
Well what are you waiting for???? That wood trim would have to go though. Price is right in your wheelhouse with almost half the miles you've been looking for in that range.
Must haves: Guards Red, Speed Yellow, Cobalt Blue or a distant 4th is Seal Gray (assuming it has some tasteful bling to make it stand out). 6-speed. Black interior. Leather dash. Very good maintenance history or recent major service. Price $35k or below (so realistically asking price of $37k or less).
High miles OK. Good quality mods OK. Minor accident history OK if evidence of quality repairs.
Nice to haves: comfort leather package for the seats or sport seats, alumalook gauges, upgraded stereo/nav, tasteful premium wheels.
Timing wise, looking at after Labor Day purchase, probably more like October/November time frame. Although, if the right one came along, I could pull the trigger now.
Ugh . . . Don't ask. My son bought it at the auction to drive for a while, then flip. He bought it "as is" knowing it needed to be sorted out. A new accessory battery solved some problems, but it still has a hydraulic roof problem that we'll have to rebuild all of the cylinders to fix correctly ($1,100 + DIY labor). Then there is a problem with the Active Body Control. I haven't tried to diagnose the problem, but I am leaning heavily toward converting to a Strutmasters coil over package for about $2,100 (plus DIY labor). I converted a Lincoln Mark VIII LSC to coil overs a few years ago, so that shouldn't be too hard.
Problem is we will be out of convertible season, so I'll probably have it til March. Not the end of the world - gives me a reason to be patient and wait for the right 996TT.
It has taught my son the perils of buying a high-end European car at the auction. I still have never had the cajones to buy a Porsche at auction - I just think there's too much risk of someone trying to unload a bad engine via the auction.
2001 996tt with 58k miles on ebay with a buy it now of $21k. Guards red over gray. Tiptronic.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/131575900974?redirect=mobile
The bad news: salvage title and a transmission problem. Also needs an ignition switch, but that's a $12 fix.
Not too far from me if someone wants eyes on it. I go by there once a week or so. But gosh, $21k for a problem car with Turbo? It could be a great deal, or it could be the Edmund Fitzgerald.
I really shouldn't be interested, but Doc, if you don't mind checking it out . . . My sister lives in Allen, so would be easy to go get it.
Looks like limp home mode is normally triggered by some electrical problem.
Bypro - Is the '01 Turbo Tip different from the '02 to '04 model Tips? I know there are some differences between the '01's and the '02-'04 models, but off the top of my head all I can think of are the interior upgrades (glovebox, etc, which I don't care about) and then a hotly debated (whether it exists) chassis-stiffness change.
My thinking is that if the limp home mode is triggered by some sort of non-internal-transmission problem, then you might be able to get this one sorted out cheaply. For example - searching the Turbo forum, I see that full throttle with a vacuum leak will trigger limp home mode. I had a Jaguar XJR that would go into limp home mode when a tiny vacuum line coming from the valve cover got clogged (got it cheap because the seller thought it had a major issue - took about 2 minutes total to unclog that line with just a small drill bit). If you could get the car for $20k and the tranny problem fixed for $2k or thereabouts, you'd have a 58k mile Turbo for $22k all in, albeit with a salvage title. I think you could drive it for a year or so and still sell it for around $24k-$25k. I would want to know about the incident that caused the total loss on it, though.
Thats a good idea, I know the Turbo MT is different from the non-Turbo, saw a rebuilt MT recently for $5,000. Clutchs are about double 996 non, axles probably different also. Maybe you could find the parts on 6-speed online, those ballers are always selling stock Turbo parts!
Yes the 2001 Turbo Tip was manufactured by one company & then 2002> was a different company, ZF I think?? If my memory is right, (disclaimer) 2001 Co had very few extra parts. So along with all the other 1st year gambles, I told myself to not consider a 2001 Turbo.
I just bought a 2015 Lexus GSF-sport last weekend for my wife, so I'm not in the market now, maybe after I sell my wife's 2007 IS350! Anyone?
I was delivering the 1st 2001 XKR to Craig T. Nelson in Malibu, going up PCH a couple miles from his house the message "Trans Fluid Hot" appeared in the I.P. This was about 8:30am so plenty of traffic prevented me from racing around & causing the issue. Called my Jag rep & they had no prior experience with that issue. Went ahead & delivered it to Craig since he required 9:00am delivery. 2 years later I bought a 1999 XJR with 100K miles, owner told me he had just had the trans rebuilt for $6,000 & deceided to buy a new XJR. I sold the '99 XJR @ 140,K zero problems except fuelpumps failed previously. We loved that XJR. By the way 2015 GSF has a 8-speed auto trans.
Yep ^^. I haven't figured how to get rid of it. I posted it on CL a few times with no success. It is heavy too at 356lb, so it is sitting in the garage looking pretty.
Out of place? It's attached to the popup spoiler which hasn't even been deactivated???
I thought the big Porsche sticker next to the fuel filler was bad enough, but that wing setup is just screaming "run from this car"...
Yeah, but it's got a USB connection to charge your phone. And a bitchin' steering wheel wrap.
It's really, truly a shame that someone has done that to that car. It is a very unique color and that car deserves to be a survivor. Time for someone to rescue it from the tuner crowd and return it to stock and enjoy it. When you go look at the 928 crowd, they really covet the unusual/unique color cars. I think the same will happen with 996s. Not saying this car will become a collectible, just saying from the perspective of a museum guy, this car will someday be welcome as a display vehicle and will draw a lot of interest. But not the way it is f'ed up right now.
WTF????
Never seen a wing mounted like that before. I think you need manly hands to grip that steering wheel too. But realistically, one could buy it and remove the rear wing and trade Johnny for his 997 since the 996 already has his beloved 17's on it and I'm sure the color suits him too. The thicker steering wheel pad also helps with the Arthritis.
As crappy as that things is, I doubt they were nice enough to use double sided tape or zip ties to hold the thing on. So you're probably going to have to replace the spoiler. After having that extra weight on it for who knows how long and lifting it who knows how many times, I'd take a hard look at the mechanism and probably just replace it to be safe.
Maybe the moron that did that thought he was being cool and creating an air brake like the Veyron. Might also check the brakes to make sure they aren't using iPhones...
indeed.
Maybe not iPhones but probably using Autozone brake pads, as the brake pedal cover and floor mats seem to be from there.
Also if you look closely, dude already has lower cubby hole but notice he cheaped it out with the 15yo flip up DVD player/nav screen instead of getting the more modern fixed nav screen double din unit.
I can also guarantee it will need paint correction as the pics he posted is from a local automatic car wash.
Wait - so the factory spoiler is still installed and wired - so you hit freeway speed and then your ludicrously large black spoiler is deployed as...an air brake?
That's some SERIOUS rice.
I suspect - but don't actually KNOW for a fact - that the actuators on the Veyron and other cars that deploy air brakes are somewhat more...robust...than the pistons used to deploy the 996 spoiler at freeway speeds.
It would be fun to install a kill switch into the spoiler circuit, get the car up to 150 or so, and then deploy the spoiler. Well, fun to watch, anyway - not sure I'd want to be along on that ride when the front axle suddenly got quite a bit lighter...
Considering how slow the rear spoiler goes up on a 996, I'd suspect the air brakes would eventually work AFTER the apex when you are starting to accelerate again.
Schelly I think you've forgotten this is the 996 forum and turned off your sarcasm detector. All I can say is: Ya think?
Given that thing is
at best
bolted through the slats of the spoiler, I think that wing would rip off the car well before you get it to 150. Hell I'd be afraid to drive at legal highway speeds with that thing...
If the issue really is a cat, this could be rectified by a trip to the junk yard. Sounds rough, but what do you expect for a 911 with a 4-digit price?
Either this guy is in a TREMENDOUS hurry, or there's more than meets the eye. He's selling the car for what the engine alone could go for. My hunch is that "good" condition may be subject to interpretation...
Always trust a engine & drivetrain if it
sounds
ok, regardless of how ridiculous the exterior looks, always! What kind of mayhem is in that center console?
Might as well stick a big red ball right in the middle of the front nose of that thing and call it the day.
Not sure about this one , 8 cylinder turbo , custom and pictures of pictures on a computer .
Is there something I am missing here?
http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/5163023119.html
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invento...ting=115871377
$7,000 price drop on this 996tt today. Guards red over black, 6 speed, 71k miles, $33k.
Very tempting for me but I don't care for the black rear end.
2004 Porsche GT3, Track Mods - $56000
https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/5176740202.html
1999 Porsche 911 Carrera 4
This is at a Dodge Dealer so I am sure the $19,000 is probably $14,500 cash.
https://raleigh.craigslist.org/ctd/5177279599.html
Jeez. For 77k that interior is looking in sad shape. Ours has lived outside with zero protection and only one treatment of the leather for 15 years and at 70k it looks brand new compared to that thing!
I'd be interested to plug in a Durametric to see if the cluster reports the same VIN as the chassis...
Midnight blue with graphite gray interior
Has been on sale for over 141 days. Located in Salt Lake City
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-...e=emailListing
Nope. At least not the "when we say full leather we REALLY mean full leather" version. The horseshoe, side vents and CD storage are plastic, not to mention the vent slats.
Nice looking car though.
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/5160340508.html
this is pretty stiff
http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/5155897691.html
on CL for nearly a year
http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/ctd/5179251902.html
not sure about this dealer
Well, I followed this car over to Copart.com, the salvage/insurance vehicle auction after the ebay auction ended without a bid. It just sold for $22,500 on copart.com a few minutes ago. Plus the buyer (out of California) will have another $710 in fees to pay the auction plus shipping costs (probably $800+). I think it could have been bought on ebay for $19,600 (that's what the opening bid was, but the seller never got an ebay bid). I was hoping that I could swipe it for $17k or $18k off Copart.com, but no such luck.
I did some research on the car, pulled a couple of history reports, and found a previous owner on 6speedonline. It was salvaged when it was 1 year old with 3,000 miles for an accident that cost $7,451 to fix at a Porsche dealer in Los Angeles. Then, went to Dallas for the next 12 years between 2 owners (one for 8 years and one for 4 years). The one bought it right after the salvage repair was a professional baseball player from Dallas who played in the Tampa Bay farm system (not really relevant, but interesting). He was the 6speedonline member and kept the car stock. Looks like the next owner was the one who did the "GT2 RS" replica (?) stuff to it. Was planning to reverse those abominations if I got it.
The dealer who had it for sale today seemed desperate to sell in the ebay ad, citing an ignition switch problem (easy DIY fix) and a transmission problem. The symptoms of the tranny problem were "limp home mode under full throttle". I really think that is a non-tranny problem - could be something as simple as a vacuum leak in the intercooler tubes or needed a reflash of what looks like an A-GEN-CY Power tuning kit.
So, thinking I might be able to snag it for $18k +/- on copart.com plus buyer fees plus $600 to ship it and figure another $2k or $3k to get it sorted out, it seemed like a good deal and I could always flip it when the ideal car came along (and hopefully make a few bucks).
At $22,500 Copart bid plus all that other stuff, that puts you at $27k+, and you still have a car with a salvage title and a tiptronic. Meh. I wasn't that excited about it in the first place. The search continues . . .
ah, still lurking and learning. Saw the dash stitching and thought it was full. I have been looking for a 996 C4S but may give this car a look since it's fairly priced.
Off topic, do all C4S cars have full leather? I feel like I remember reading that they have full leather like the turbo, but cannot find via search where I saw that.
There are levels of full leather. I think the most common (maybe standard on later cars?) is the "full leather" which includes the seats, dash, and door cards? Then there was (for 01 anyway) a second full leather option that gets the seat backs, trans tunnel, surrounds and faces of the center console items, the horseshoe, and around the vents. There was also a separate code for making the steering wheel leather, and then there was another one that just went nuts with leather to the point that the AC vent slats are leather.
If there was an option labeled "leather", we checked it on our build and it's a crazy amount of leather. I think having all the leather options like ours is almost as rare as the sunroof delete (which we also checked
) though.
Basically I just like to be an *** about having more leather than anyone else
You guys are more laid back than the land rover forum guys. (a good thing)
They have many more head gaskets and front drive shaft threads than IMS over here, and if you ask a unrelated question there it turns into a highjack flame war.
Probably not far off. There is a herd of dead cow crammed into that damn car. When the transmission was out a few weeks ago I was surprised to see that it wasn't covered in leather!
So what's with the 419.99? I know where you started it, but you seem to be referencing something I'm forgetting about
Rubik - Thanks (I think), but the simple fact is that I'm still sitting here with no 996 in the garage.
If I were as good as you say I am, I would've figured out how to get that car for the money I was willing to pay!
I'll chime in that my '99 Aero has full leather over everything except the roof (which appears to be vinyl) and the horseshoe and vents are plastic. Seatbacks, dash, doors, and A-pillar trim are all leather. I don't know what else was available for '99.
Now that I have the sticker in front of me, we have:
Black - Full Leather Interior
Full Leather Package
Supple Leather Front and Rear
Steering Wheel in Special Leather
Somewhere in there we ended up with an Alcantera roof liner too.
For the record the rest of the options are:
Black Metallic
Comfort Package
Advanced Technic Package
GT Package
Heated Front Seats Package
"High Gloss" TurboLook 18" Whl
Delete Sunroof
Footwell Lighting
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=321833863351
Interesting black on black 996tt in Ontario. Has a lemon law buyback title for a noisy transmission that has been replaced. Tiptronic. Tuned. Has several minor issues. Rough paint. Still waiting on an opening bid of $14,000.
Claims to be meticulously maintained 2003 996tt with 103k miles and a tiptronic for $29,995. Black on black.
http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/de...7901/overview/
Silver over gray 2002 6-speed coupe with 68k miles in Wisconsin. Asking $29,500. Clear title, no accidents, private seller.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...08541173&Log=0
If it is as perfect as the ad leads one to believe, why are they asking significantly below market value for it? Should that be a 35-40k car?
I'm surprised it didn't mention that the owner is a little old lady and she only ever drove it to church...
Miles are highish (80k), but it looks clean. More pictures on their website here:
http://floridafinecars.com/CarsForSa...ck=67395/MIAMI
From the pictures you can tell it has at least intercooler hoses and exhaust. I assume it would have a tune as well. Looks like a good buy for $33k.
They also have a 2000 silver/red, 6MT, cab with 144k miles for $12k
http://floridafinecars.com/CarsForSa...ck=65954/MIAMI
So many low mileage TT cars at $30k ish, what gives?
Did KK buy one and start posting about the issues or something?
This silver one is a steal if checks out.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...08541173&Log=0
^ Yeah, that's the silver one I posted in #557 above. That's a helluva deal. I'd run up to Wisconsin and buy that today if it were red/yellow/blue. Seriously, the wrap idea even makes some sense. The only thing I don't like about silver cars is that there are so many. But there are so many for a reason - it looks good. My S430 is silver. I had a silver E55 AMG, an Audi A6, and several others. I just want a little bling on the 996tt.
I personally don't think the miles are high, but it seems like most 996T buyers are scared of miles. I didn't check the carfax. I didn't realize it had an accident history.
Do it KC. A professional wrap can be had for under $2k these days and you'll save at least that much in paint correction/waxing/polishing while it's on there. Plus it will allow you to get any unique color you want separating yourself out from the rest. They even have gloss vinyl and I've tried this on door handles on my wife's suv for two years and going strong. Sorta surprised at the durability of a gloss version to scratch resistance. YMMV.
Dunno if this was posted before ... 99 cab with 36k miles and some idiosyncratic mods, asking $ 20k
http://syracuse.craigslist.org/cto/5164886595.html
Looks like a garage queen that was modded by the current owner -- console delete, sport seats, etc.
I thought the front bumper paint looked off from the rest of the car, this might explain it. In any case, KC, if you need a rennfax, just say the word.....
Well, well! Look what I found:
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...191438615.html
My car! Opinions welcome. I know there will be the good, the bad, and the ugly in good old Rennlist fashion; so no worries.
Love ya buddy, love the car, but . . . that test drive policy has got to go. No one (who isn't a complete idiot) is going to show up in response to a Craigslist ad with any significant amount of cash in his pocket. I assume you are being dramatic with that policy and speaking figuratively, but that's gonna, at best, confuse the hell out of some people and will flat out drive others away.
If you are concerned about joyriders, then say that you have taken very good care of the car and that you will only allow test drives once the potential buyer demonstrates that he/she is a legitimate buyer and is seriously interested in the car. State that you are doing this to protect the car.
If you let people drive your car, how do you expect to hide the fact that it pulls like a mo********er to the left due to that tree stump incident?
Heh. Jus' kidding.
It was a light pole.
What car you talking about? Because the silver one has a clear record that's in Milwaukee and the one that KC was interested in.
If you're talking about the one in Florida, I already mentioned it was in an accident.
http://www.texascars.net/web/used/Po...Texas/1779462/
Need a basic price. Comes with hardtop, tip, decent number of options but nothing sporty. Int is clean and the shop is working on the top right now. It doesn't go up and latch well. They will finish it before it leaves the lot. Has a clear bra, and clean carfax. 72k miles, engine sounds perfect, trans shifts smooth.
I was thinking about $18,500 or so. They rejected $18k, and came back with $19,600 plus fees.
2001 Turbo, speed yellow, manual trans, no accidents, 57k miles
Asking $38,500 and located in Reno. No affiliation to seller or car.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...00830720&Log=0
Yeah, I saw that one a few days ago. It is definitely a candidate. Love the mileage and the sport seats. Not crazy about the wheels - they remind of lobster fork OEM wheels. The front bumperettes are hideous, but I think they will come off easily. It is priced well, but not cheap for a 2001. I would have to go all the way to the top of my comfort range to get it, plus the seller would need to come down about $2,500. If I go up to $36k, I really don't want to compromise much or be looking to replace wheels. At the moment, I've got 2 cars in the garage that need to go, one of which requires some significant wrenching. I could pull the trigger now for the right deal (for example this car at $32k) but would be a happier wife if I sold the other 2 cars first.
If anyone is in Reno and wants to do a Rennfax on it for me . . .
EDIT: Would be great to see more and better pics of the car than what autotrader has on its site.
^ On that one, the reason I didn't post it here is because I am interested in it.
I just got back from vacation, so I'm a little backed up at work at the moment. Plus, when I buy whatever 996TT, I'm 99% certain I'll fly out and drive it home, so that'll be 3 or 4 days out of the office. Plus, my son just left for college and left me the 2 extra cars to sell on my own. Plus, letting the car sit on the market without a buyer may soften up the seller's price a bit. Plus, it's been my experience that October/November/December are the time of year to get the best prices. So, all of those factors together tell me to wait a little while, unless I see a smoking deal on a nearly ideal car.
If everything went my way, the car would still be on the market in mid to late October, I'd get it for around $34k and fly out/drive home the week of November 1st.
Doc,
If you don't get it let me know...I love Arena Red.
Also, do you have any opinion on the black cab on Dallas CL that is offered for $17K--don't have link handy, but can get it.
STP
I didn't get it. We are getting a truck so I"m gonna wait a bit. I also really like Arena red, and this one has the hardtop in same color as well. It's pretty nice overall. Let me know if you want me to take it for a run.
I don't shop for black cars, but I'll check it out today.
Thanks. With 928 going/gone, I've got $$ burning a hole in my pocket, but I should probably slow down. I had been focused on a Boxster S, but a buddy who has a 996 reminded me of how much fun I had driving his during a visit a few years back...so now I'm not sure WHAT I want!
I'll pass on the Arena Red one for now but thanks for the offer to check on it and the cheap black car. Too soon after the S4 to fall for the first pretty face I run into. I should go into the other 996 forums and start getting educated first!
BTW, I *really* like Rubik's car--especially the maintenance history.
STP
No prob. When you find what you like, jump on it. Particularly if you are looking for rare colors or options. I refuse to buy black, gray, silver so my options are very limited.
1999 C2 with Tip 79K mile for $18,000. It is at a small dealer in Goochland, VA, I am guessing it will go for less.
https://raleigh.craigslist.org/ctd/5185415923.html
Used frequently by individuals over 50 - such as myself - with overstuffed memory banks and dwindling recall abilities. Possibly used by others IIRC...
Beautiful cobalt blue 2001 C2 6 speed with only 31k miles on eBay right now with a buy it now of $19,000. Looks like a new car from the pics. I think cobalt blue is a gorgeous color and you don't see them often.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=321842840349
Oops, my bad. Upon actually reading the ad, it is a flood salvage car. Yikes - goes to show you how online pics can be deceiving!!
Which may explain why it looks so new
I typically don't like that interior color, but against the blue it looks really good. With that title they are smoking some bad drugs though.
How does it look like a GT3 if it has the Turbo bumpers and scoops?
Mildy modified? Last I checked the .2 C2 didn't have the hips of the Turbo, so the rear bumper and scoops wouldn't fit without some work.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for modifying cars to suit your taste, but be clear about it and don't be trying to sucker it people that don't fully understand what they are looking at.
^ I take it you never heard back from the beer man on that silver 996TT? That was a smokin' deal. BTW, how did you figure out who he was? Surprised to see a guy like that selling a used car himself.
2004 Porsche 911 Turbo X50 PCCB
6 speed 66k miles - $42,500 OBO (Roanoke, VA)
Interested to trades for 4 door sedans: CTS-V, M5, M3, 63 AMGs, S4, S6 or any other luxury high performance sedan.
I wonder if I can trade my wife's IS250?
^ Oohh, and it's in silver also (the 996TT). You don't see those everyday!
But seriously, that's a great looking car. I like silver - very classically German. It's just there are so many of 'em.
As for the silver 996TT in Milwaukee with 6 speed and ~70k miles with an asking price of $29,500 with no accident history whatsoever, PetersA9 said it is owned by the outgoing CEO of MillerCoors Brewing. I would assume that a guy making that kind of coin would probably not scrimp on maintenance. But I also think that he'd just roll into the Porsche of Milwaukee dealer and trade it in on a new 991 as a retirement gift to himself rather than deal with a bunch of knuckleheads like us just to get a couple thousand more dollars than he'd get by trading it in. I would think trade in value on that car would be as much as his asking price of $29,500.
Anyhow, PetersA9 said when he called the beer man, the beer man said somebody already had a deposit down on it but that we'd be next up if that fell through. I think for sub-$30k for a 996TT with no stories and no needs, I'd pull the trigger on it, then continue on my search for the elusive 996TT of color. I think I could always flip the silver one for $30k.
As for the 911S, it goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway - "I think that'll buff right out!"
http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/5201918044.html
Came across this ad. Posting here not because of the car or the price, but what the seller says in the ad to, I assume, convince you that his or her car is the right one to buy.
Keep looking KC unless you are just smitten with it.
Way too much money has been put into that car to only ask 33, makes me suspicious. I've personally never been a fan of the Misha GT2 wing as it looks close, but seems to stand out as being wrong. The 997 front bumper also looks out of place as it makes the car look longer and out of proportion.
I'd be interested if it was a PTS car, but I'm too picky about color changes so that is a turn off for me too. Unless they did it right which would have cost close to what they are asking for the car...
As Schnelly recently said, I'd rather have a bone stock car and then do the changing myself. Then you know the standards it was done to and it entirely fits your tastes.
Love the color, but I too get weary about all the aftermarket work done to it. Move ahead with caution. I would have a body shop look at it in addition to a mechanic PPI.
http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/nvn/cto/5201445207.html
Canadians / west coasters. Good opportunity to pick up a parts car. No affiliation, and no room to do it myself.
(this car was for sale a few months ago, and I recall the owner's ad mentioning a bunch of work done)
100k+, removes the special paint, adds a god awful fake GT3 look, has a salvage title, and they want $35k firm? It must be true that LA has the best drugs
Well if the guy put a "GT3RS" badge in the back, a similiarly drugged out individual might think he's getting a deal and snap it up in an instant for $35k.
He doesn't list the miles (or I'm blind), so it probably has more than 5 miles on the clock which makes it a roller by 993 standards which explains the price.
Someone will either get a screaming deal on that car or a steaming pile.
Judging by the wear on the shift **** it's probably higher mileage, but considering this is located in the greater LA area the asking price is still pretty low. If they're flexible on the price and you get a thorough ppi...
Hmmm, last registration says Norfolk, VA, but he lists a 703 number which covers the DC area. If anyone is serious about it and he is in the DC area, I'm happy to try to put eyes on it for you if we can work it out. I can even take my Durametric along to check the over revs too.
Seriously, I wish someone here would buy that blue 996tt that's on the New York craigslist site. (see previous page of this thread and the last page of my "The Hunt is Over" thread) I was ready to pull the trigger on it when the red car I bought showed up on ebay. Had the seller been easier to communicate with, I'd have already bought it by the time the red car popped up.
The seller is in Peru on business and his little brother was handling the craigslist ad inquiries. The little brother didn't seem that excited about having to do that and wasn't real good at returning texts and calls. I did finally reach him. I also traded emails with the seller in Peru - don't know if he's back in country yet or not. But, I did a bunch of research on the car and the seller and am convinced it is a nice car and a great deal. Seller is a frequent poster on 6speedonline and the car's color change/build thread is documented there. Seller also owns a Panamera.
Obviously the purists will be turned off by the color change from silver to a BMW blue color as well as the front bumper and interior mods, but damn that car is gorgeous in the pics. And I'm convinced that $31k will buy that car, probably $30k would get it done.
If anyone is interested, PM me and I'll give you a data dump on what I learned about the car and the seller.
2002 996TT, silver over black, 6 speed, 80,000 miles, alumalook gauges, supple leather, asking $32,388 (but previously listed at $29,999 back in July so you could probably get it for that) in Miami on Cargurus.com
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invento...585_isFeatured
By the way, the craigslist ad in New York for the Atlantis Blue 996TT I was looking at is now offline. I suspect someone picked that car up - it was a great deal on a gorgeous car. Would really have liked to have seen someone on here get it and would like to have seen it in person.
Nah, no worries about that. As soon as it auto-deploys at 75mph the velocity of the wind coming over the car is going to take care of that little problem for you real quick.
I'd suggest bringing a towel and fresh underwear and pants for the test drive
$40k???? Even in Canuk dollars, what the hell? AND it's a Tip?
Obviously you guys still have a bad Heroin problem up there. That's the only logical explanation...
Damn, hadn't realized that the CDN had fallen that far to the USD again. What have you people done to be back in the hole against the USD again?
Still, $30k USD for that tip is nuts. Much better price on that C4S, but then I don't think Richmond has quite the Heroin problem of Vancouver proper
Yep - the C4S is a good deal ---
i would not buy a car that's sat around doing than less than 1k KMs a year for 13 years -- that IMHO is not good for a car.....
Junkies everywhere these days + the economy is in the toilet!
Good. Maybe house prices will come down to the realm of reasonable so I can finally move up there so I can spend more time at Whistler
My company even has a Vancouver office. They just won't pay me enough to live in that area
Not a chance in hell - the houses keep going up and up - it's all foreign money now and might even be dodgy stuff - there was an article recently about how many peps was bringing in big cash in and how only 2 Realtors - declared cash buys ( anything over $10k CDN - needs to be declared).
Anyway - everything is crazy here - you constantly see Lambos and Ferrari's in some of the worlds slowest traffic - driven by 18yr olds......passed an Aston Martin the other day with the green N - New Driver - doing about 80 Kms on the Hgwy - It's a 90 Limit....
Depends. If you can catch it on a day without wind so you can do the backside of Whistler, it's absolute heaven and you'll never want to leave. Any other day it's only one of the best places to ski/board in North America.
We stay slope side on Blackcombe so we can board in and out. Haven't been back since the Olympics though and I dread to see how bad prices have gone up
Pro Tip: if you get to hit the bowl on the back of Whistler, don't stop or crash. Getting a board off your feet in 5' of powder and then having to hike a couple hundred yards in said powder to get back to the groomed SUCKS! So worth it though
Good advice. Being a FL boy, I would probably just end up in the lodge sitting by a fire getting tanked on brandy. I will let Mrs G do the skiing. She's from Colorado plus I have her heavily insured. That GT3 RS ain't gonna buy itself!
Yes .As a ski instructor and racer they are the best places to ski in North America.If oil goes down our dollar goes down.We are a resource country and its fluctuations affect us. It is time to come to Canada while our dollar is cheap.Should stay there for a while
Blackcombe is the bomb! best boarding ever, best prices...oh, that was in 2002. $149ish to fly round trip to Vancover from San Diego, $200 for the van for a week, $500 for a 3 bedroom villa, $40 lift tickets, $2 drinks....damn, i'm old-
Why would you insult a CO skier by taking one to - gulp, Whistler? That's like telling Van Cliburn to play a Yamaha electric keyboard. It's like telling Trump to market cell phones. It's like making Vettel drive a Kia Soul.
Maybe you should try Whistler/Blackcombe first.
CO ain't got nothing on it. CO has some good slopes certainly, but Whistler is just in a different league.
You want ice? Come to the craptastic slopes on the East coast. Never seen ice at Whistler and I've never seen powder in CO that compares to the back bowl of Whistler.
Let me see if we understand this listing properly. A guy(presumably) buy a GT3. With roll cage. Crashes it a few weeks after purchase, and they say there are only 21k "easy" miles on it. Seems like the selling agent hasn't actually even seen the car, but we can trust him, cause he's been doing that for years.
Hey, I'm looking for a big steel bridge, in the NY area. Can anyone help me?
I'm gonna re-visit this arena red cab again.
http://www.txcars.net/web/used/Porsc...Texas/1779462/
73k miles, with hardtop, and tip. If you are looking for the perfect ladies aid or just want to motor in style I think this would do the job. Down to $18k, and they will go down some more. Seems like a heck of a deal to me. I might have to go get it. If anyone wants me to go do a simple PPI or have a drive I'm happy to go visit again.
Damn, that's not bad even with a salvage title. The thieves did the future owner a favor by stealing the factory nav and giving them a heavy discount after that. LOL
http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/cto/5243209764.html
$18K and change for a black 99 hardtop with 90,000 miles. Very nicely optioned too with the sports seats.
Is this the cheapest clear title 2001 996TT on planet earth or am I missing something? Paint to sample orange. 30,000 miles. $15,000? Clearly not a "GT3", but if you ignore that . . . Too good to be true scam? Somebody might wanna go look at this one.
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/cto/5245663325.html
Owner definitely knows 911s. Look at the ones in front and back. I say the price is a typo intended to be $45K. Otherwise, maybe it has just a regular 996 engine.
Definitely a scam. This car is in Florida and was recently on ebay. Bidding reached $56,700 without the reserve being met.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/252091098427
I doubt he is ready to dump it for $15k now.
I agree as even for parts that car would sell for more.
But how does a scam like this work? Sooner or later I imagine someone will ask to view the car, right?
Rear turbo style bumper vents grafted onto the FRONT bumper? That's a new one.
Btw, hopefully he got the updated Lambo doors so he could open them without having the top down, lol.
1999 Carerra 4 under $16,000 with 105k miles
https://raleigh.craigslist.org/ctd/5248634491.html
I like this one, 2002 C2 $12K or $24K with working engine.
https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/5242697994.html
Just what options is it 'loaded' with? I see the aluminum face gauges, the leather seats, the Tip, the wheels, and it has the rear wiper delete.
Not exactly how I would define "loaded"...
Well, let's see based on the ad:
The automatic tranny comes with "Tiptronic shifting" (that's gotta be an extra cost option)
6 cylinder engine (don't want to be confused with a 912, right?)
Power seats (surely that wasn't standard on a $70,000 car in 1999)
Oooh, "sliding sunroof"
Alloy wheels (big upgrade from standard Porsche hubcaps - remember the 356?)
how about $17,000 for a decently optioned 2000 C2 with 38,000 miles. That wing would have to go though.....
http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/5256141072.html
Ironically, I did see one everyday until last week - literally every day I walked past it. We had one in the museum. Very cool car. It got replaced last week by a C4 Z06.
https://www.facebook.com/KansasCityAutoMuseum/photos/pb.177559828957369.-2207520000.1445432848./855147891198556/?type=3&theater
Here's the Ferrari from Rubik's post. Buy it now of $9 million. I paid $6,000 for the Sterling. Hell, I'd take half a million for it right now. Now that's a deal. Anybody seen Blswan?
http://www.wcautoworks.net/mobile/md...?VID=259069742
Lowest price 996 I have seen so far. Says "it runs and drives, just needs some TLC....."
I pulled the carfax on the VIN from the carguru site:
5 Owners
42 service records
Carfax says the car is worth $2500 more than retail. I've never included these values when looking at the pricing of a car, but apparently the system thinks it is worth a high valuation.
At what price point is it worth considering a high miler like this one? Assuming a PPI, with leak-down test is good.
Asking more out of curiousity than seriously considering it. Would anyone consider buying it and at what price point?
If Carfax rates it so highly and the dealer (who you know has seen the report) prices it so low, you know there has to be something wrong. No dealer will leave money on the table if they can avoid it.
If it wasn't on the other side of the country I'd consider it at that price and the closer it was to me the more likely I'd pick it up. As a second to put on the track it would be a great pickup to work from assuming it really is functioning moderately well.
Trying to throw us off the scent until you can put a deposit down?
I'm hoping it's a bad reference to Top Gear. If it is, that car isn't remotely Oliver-esque. If not, ummm... yeah....
Not that there's anything wrong with that!
Oh my! The headlights!
If it were for the dumb LEDs it would actually look pretty good.
At only 115k I have to wonder what was done to the poor thing that it needed a new/rebuilt diff and axles...
https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/5277227146.html
Cheap for a Tiptronic cab but Harold needs to wash this thing and I do not want to know what is under that towel in the passengers seat!
I really don't understand his selling strategy of posting a pic of a unwashed and dirty car but also posting 2 sets of pics that look similiar to each other.
One might wonder if he's the type to replace only one corner with new rotor/pads or blows out his air filter/cabin filter with compressed air to reuse again.
You know Rubik, you could always pick this one or that C4 (I'd take the C4...) up and stop being a disappointment to your son
This one is even your color and (questionable) roof style.
I'm thinking about going the hairdresser route.
(Not really. If it had 4 seats perhaps. How do I choose which son to take with me. Screw that!)
https://fresno.craigslist.org/ctd/5269932225.html
Mike, is this a good deal?
Will this hold value? I don't have the budget for this but one of you should jump on it and make some friends in the AC forums. Who knows, maybe you might even have a beer with Quad.
https://fresno.craigslist.org/cto/5279372386.html
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Wouldn't have been easier just to put the "LS3" sticker on the back only?
"1999 Porsche 911 C4 AWD with 430hp Corvette motor - $37500"
https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/cto/5281569839.html
What a douche! He is in the Turbo territory (albeit guards red track version "garbage" Turbo territory but still
). No one in the right mind is going to pay that much.
Part out if someone needs something...
https://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/ptd/5286591064.html
Here is a "Previous Owner left in the garage" hardtop for sale. Is this cheap for a hardtop?
https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/pts/5279400460.html
Shut up and take my money
http://neworleans.craigslist.org/rvs/5254462457.html
Shut up you can't have my money
http://neworleans.craigslist.org/cto/5271133731.html
Conventional thinking is that you need an engine rebuild, even preemptively, every 200K miles. This car is worth the price of a roller plus engine core. About $8K I'd say.
That's a great price IF owner can provide paperwork on the new engine and if it has clear title. Just some observations:
Body parts not known whether OEM or aftermarket. Wheels seem to be the ebay variety. MK2 rear bumper on mk1(possibly rear end accident). Taco wing present but whether it's OEM is unknown and it has regular non-Aero front bumper(possibly front end accident).
2000 Millennium Edition. He probably should describe the color better than red. I had to do some research to understand the car is violet but others probably will not do that and think it is a huge mistake and move on.
http://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/5288608385.html
Actually it's a whole bunch of colors depending on the light you see it in. Purple is the "neutral", but it can also look dark green (as seen in some of the pics) or even a really dark red.
I feel for them on the wheels peeling. Ours make those look pristine though
Well, I think it is more the type of wheel than the color. A nice set of black rims may actually make the car more desirable. But, there are a group of very opinionated Porsche guys (of all models) who think any change from stock is an abomination. So, if your main concern is resale value, then you probably should pay homage to the "stock" gods.
For me, buy a Porsche based on what
you
like. I would say close to 90% of 996s have some level of modification. If you like a certain mod and a car you are looking at has that mod, then that car is worth more to you. My recently purchased car had a bunch of mods. I like all but two of them, and some of them were mods I was definitely going to spend money on if the car I bought didn't have them (for example, a double DIN stereo system with bluetooth). The "stock" loving guys just look down their noses at my car because of the mods. But, I plan to keep my car forever, so I don't really give a crap what they think.
My car is unique and was practically exactly the way I wanted it when I bought it. It was less expensive because it wasn't an unmolested garage queen. But, had I bought an overpriced all-stock garage queen, I would have definitely spent thousands of dollars upgrading with some tasteful mods (that I got for free when I bought my already modded car). Only a couple of more small mods and I'll be out of things to do on it.
I personally like black wheels but I have hesitated on doing it. A friend of mind liked stock so he influenced me.I might still do it because I like it. It gives a more aggressive look to a 996. What's the worse that can happen.Just find other wheels you like
Couldn't care less about the Seahawks or football in general, but besides the wheels I kinda like it. Not $100k worth, but I kinda like it none the less.
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I'd definitely want confirmation by F6I on what they did to the car before I put money down. You put down $15k for work by Jake's shop and then turn around and see it for that about 1.5k miles later? Smells a bit fishy to me.
Would love to hear what Jake has to say about both the car (if he really knows anything about it) and F6I being used as a selling point in this case.
I wish I could find one for a Boxster for this price!
http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/5288016151.html
Hardtop for a 2000 Porsche 911 Cabriolet. $150 obo. Includes stand. Need to sell immediately. Call Vince at [phone removed].
That's just it for me. They do their best to imply that it is a rebuild without actually saying it. Not that it is meaningless, but a "Raby serviced" motor is a lot different than a "Raby built" motor. I think they are counting on you believing the later for a quick sale while it's really the former.
2000 cabriolet, 81k miles, 6 speed, $16,900. Comes with extra set of wheels and tires.
Let me know if anyone wants me to Rennfax it for you.
https://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5285349188.html
1999 6 speed coupe, black on black, 198k miles but only $11,800. Let me know if anyone wants me to Rennfax it. In Kansas City Craigslist - iPad won't let me paste the link.
New to this forum and soon-to-be new to Porsche...I am on the hunt for a 996. I am seriously considering this car:
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...272704004.html
2 owner car, clean CarFax, 82K miles, current owner put 50K on the car and has extensive records, car had IMS/RMS/clutch done in the past 6 months. Would greatly appreciate your insights and advice. Thanks in advance.
^ Concur with Jester. Looks like a nice, clean car with a nice double DIN stereo upgrade, PSE, heated seats. People who actually want to sell their cars will price them like this - they want to get the sale done and over with. The problem with this as a buyer is that nice cars priced well won't last very long on the market.
That's not too far from me. Happy to go with you to look at it and plug up the Durametric if you'd like. Also would recommend talking to Ivan @ IMA in Chantilly if you want to do a PPI.
For anyone in Vancouver here is a clean early car on Craigslist .
If the ppi looks good , it might be a good value
http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rds/ctd/5277075827.html
Thanks so much for the offer Gnat, but I just worked out a deal with the seller and have purchased the car. I did a week's worth of due diligence and then pulled the trigger, did not want it to slip away. I'm very excited to be checking this item off my bucket list, and can't wait to start driving this fantastic car!
Holy crap. You mean you are the rare and elusive n00b that actually reads and understands things first?
You wouldn't be hiding a stock pile of Unicorn Semen somewhere too would you?
Finally someone who dispenses with the hemming, hawing, and asking for pages and pages of advice and just dives right in. Congrats on the car, I'm very jealous of that color combo. Looking forward to a formal intro and more pictures.
Well as long as he doesn't start a "what do I need to do to prepare for a 300 mile road trip" thread and then back out of said trip he'll still be alright
brixie: OK, first off, "pics or it never happened." Just start your own into thread for them. More pics is always better. Details about the transaction are helpful to those currently looking to purchase their first Porsche. Things like like how you found the car, how the interaction with the seller went, what your concerns were and how you addressed them (speaking with seller, looking at receipts, seeing the car in person before the offer, PPI). Believe it or not, not everybody does a PPI. I've not done a PPI on any of the 5 Porsches I've bought, but I have done PPI's on cars that I didn't end up buying. I think you look at the totality of the situation to determine whether you need one.
Second, congratulations. You will never regret buying that car. Buying a nice car from a private individual is the smartest way to go, IMHO. There are a lot of advantages to buying that way.
Don't forget to spend the $17 to upgrade to a Rennlist member.
I've reported you to the authorities for GTA.
Nicely bought(stolen). Not my color, but you done good and I'm sure you'll be happy this fall on some sporting drives.
"Garage kept", even while taking pics for the Craigslist ad. Seriously, he can't even back it out of the garage to take pics?
Plus, has the very rare 9-digit VIN.
^ That will not sit well with the boys on the Turbo forum. Must be something horrifically wrong with the car. Sure it looks nice, but there's gotta be some deep, dark defect lurking beneath the surface. Maybe the owner modded it by swapping out the cigarette lighter for one of those fancy new USB charger thingies - that kind of over-the-top modding would immediately turn it into a piece of track garbage. Plus, it's got ridiculously high mileage: 67,000 miles on a car that's only 14 years old? Good God, that's over 4,000 miles per year!
This owner must've been some sort of traveling salesman to put that kind of mileage on it.
No TT Craigslist thread so they will have to come over here to find this rocket ship...
2002 Porsche 996 Turbo 850hp Boost Logic Package. Never tracked?
I am not a track guy but seems like a waste to not put some 18" inch rims on this and put it on a track!
https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/5256390820.html
Tuning Concepts Porsche 911 TT (996) w/Boost Logic Twin Turbo kit - YouTube
Well, something tells me the Tuning Concepts car would get less than a warm welcome from the turbo boys. It's kind of an odd love-hate dynamic.
The little red convertible looks nice. If you can't get a boxste' I guess that's the next best thing.
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/cto/5292309788.html
I'm going to look at this one today. Might have a trade worked out for my '61 Buick coupe. If its as good as the pictures it should be a pretty fair deal.
BTW Im a Noob who has been creeping around here for a while trying to get a little education, so thanks all of you.
KC I love your screwbird, I was a VS-32 Mauler.
Very cool to see another War Hoover guy in here. What era? I was in the Screwbirds from 1989 to 1992. Was at VS-41 from January to September 1989. Any overlap? If so, I'll think harder and try to throw out a couple of names you might recognize.
EDIT: BTW, I love the color of that car in Phoenix you are looking at. The asking price with 148k miles is a bit high, but if you're trading versus buying, I guess it's not that relevant. My '99 coupe that I sold last March had 148k on the odometer, but only 73k on the engine (long story why the engine change - it was due to a FOD strike from a semi-tire knocking the oil filter housing off). Anyhow, that car looked and drove fantastic with 148k miles on it. But still, it's really hard to sell them with that kind of mileage. Even in great shape, that's probably about a $13,000 car. I sold mine for $15,750, but it was a factory aerokit car with almost all of the options.
To KC's point. Check this one out -
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/ctd/5303597277.html
It is a convertible but it is also AWD, My thoughts are with the almost $3000 in savings, take a $300 one way flight from Glendale to San Mateo and drive it back the long way down the PCH 1. Thank me later and take lots of pictures!
I was the end of the era, 2002-2007. You probably would be with my Skippers generation (Hooter, Bam Bam, Bugs, monkey butt). I had to pick a new community and ended up in TACAMO, which took all the fun out of the navy for me. The Hoov was a blast though. Cruised on the Enterprise which is also gone now, along with the T-34 and the T-2. Makes me feel old.
On the car, i agree too much money but the car I am looking to trade I have listed for 13,000 and would MAYBE take 12 for so it works out pretty fair. Thanks for the input too because Nada and KBB says its worth about 10. The blue is awesome and love the combo. Trades are so hard to do but worth a shot.
Yeah, Bam Bam, Bugs and Monkey Butt. My callsign was "Cheese". When I started dating my wife, who is from Spain, it got changed to "Queso".
I drank a lot back then. But so did everyone else. Was at the last real Tailhook. We had just gotten back from Desert Storm. Yeah, there was gambling, booze and strippers - so guilty as charged. Because Vegas. Freaking politicians ruined a great institution in the name of getting women in combat. We were Naval Aviators - best thing that ever happened to us was picking up Naval Academy females on the way back from the Persian Gulf for the last couple of weeks of our cruise. I had two hot college chicks living 3 doors down the hall from me on the aircraft carrier. Do you think I was complaining? Nobody I knew had a problem with having women on the carrier.
Prices drop with the mercury here in the Northeast ...
01 coupe, 140k miles, $13k
http://nwct.craigslist.org/cto/5279982704.html
From the ad:
01 911 with the 300hp 3.4 flat 6 and 6 speed manual transmission. Mileage is 138k. I am the second owner since 2010. Since owned, the clutch and a ceramic intermediate shaft bearing were replaced about 40k ago. The battery and alternator were done this year along with all 4 tires. Routine maintenance like mobil 1 synthetic every 4000 miles, 93 octane and royal purple transmission fluid have been used. As of this month the water pump/coolant flush, valve cover gaskets, oil pan gasket, and spark plugs were done. Its a clean title with NO accidents. The front bumper has a crack prior to my ownership but is very small. There are NO dents or rust. The interior has no rips or burns. Its got a built in valentine one rador detector/jammer. The car is in 8/10 condition. Still Runs and drives. Price is $13000 which is cheaper than any 911/996. And the title is a clean Ny. NO TEST DRIVES NO CHECKS.
Why do so many sellers post pictures of their car for sale in the shade. Is it that hard to drive it to a spot that is in the sun? The only reason I can think of is to hide blemishes and issues with the car. Must be a lot for sale that don't look so good in the sun....
The interior on this one looks quite bad. Definately shows the 140k miles.
Well, if they don't say the mileage in the ad . . . But, that's not much more than roller money. Assuming it runs well, that would be worth buying with the mindset that you're cheating the system for every mile you drive. Let's say it's got 200,000 miles on it but is running well and you paid full asking price (round up to $11k). You put 10k miles per year on it. Two years in, the engine gives up the ghost at 220k. You could sell that roller for $6k (great - err, I mean FANTASTIC, color combo, aero kit). You're out $5k. Anything more than 2 years out of that engine would essentially be driving for free. I have seen so many people on here spend $20k on about the same car but with lower miles, and then spend $5k right off the bat fixing stuff that isn't broke (IMSB and all the WYAIT stuff). With a car like this, you don't do all of that preventative stuff - you just drive it until something breaks, then decide if it's worth spending the money to fix. Heck, a lot of people (especially 996TT types), barely drive their cars anyway - maybe 2,000 miles per year - the car is basically garage art. At that rate, you might get 10 years out of this car before the engine pukes itself.
That's a steal if it runs good but I'm skeptical and think it either got into an accident or motor is no good. 19" wheels, MK2 sideskirts/wing. Black interior. Someone should check this one out.
What's the point of replastering a pool in CA? It's not like they'll let you fill it with water...
Fill it with dirt, pave over it, and you'll have a nice parking pad to start your stable of new to you 996s.
Don't get ahead of yourself there buddy. The last time I checked, that was your wife's gold plated IMSB.
I could turn it into a time capsule and open it up 33 years later on my 75th birthday when I have no effective use of my left leg. That is if I'm not dead already.
For example:
http://jalopnik.com/5872514/the-true...-someones-yard
Firstly I offered no indication as to whom the GPIMSB (hey if others can make up acronyms, so can I!) belonged to. I simply stated that they would be more likely to have an under group parking space than a Prius lover that broke his son's heart by selling the good car...
Secondly they say possession is 9/10 of the law, so bite me.
Tell him you'll get one as soon as he can pay the bills for a spark plug job
Edit: There was a newer one at my Indy when we dropped off the 996 for it's coils. Nathan saw it "Yuck! Ugly race car!"
You could've bought the one that KC was selling but it was a rep but your son will never know as long as you don't keep it that long or take incriminating pictures of him in it with the Fiero interior.
Not so much. Didn't care much for the Ferrari either, but there was also a RS America (yes a real one!), a couple of 944 race cars, and some other random Porsches that got an entirely different response. Even worse his mom agreed with him on the RS America
At least the boy has good taste I suppose...
Can you imagine what would happen if he showed the pics to his friends and they're like: "Dude that interior doesn't look right!" And then after he does his research shows up and asks: "So the 911 was not a
real
911 was it?" How the f*ck do I respond to that one?!
Went and saw it, not so great. Definitely been repainted and had a lot of orange peel. Seats were very cracked all over on both sides. Coolant was dripping from what i think was the water pump area. Left side wheels had curb rash and the guy kept it running the whole time which makes me think it has a hot start problem. Back on the hunt.
^ That's a lot of car for $9,500. Again, another one for sale at not much more than roller value, although I would think that one's value as a roller is probably closer to $4,000.
The dealer rate will get you with a Lambo every time, but changing 12 plugs on a Murci takes about 45 minutes. Nothing difficult; just reach into engine bay, pop off coil packs, pull plugs then re-install.
996T... awful.
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/9...diy-guide.html
I guess the turbos forced them to move the cats somewhere and that just happened to be right where they keep you from going in from the bottom like the M96?
It just boggles my mind that manufacturers do that stuff. Cause it's not like you ever need to change the plugs or anything
When body work has to come off for routine maintenance I think that's a good sign that someone lost the plot.
Dunno, early Ferrari's required engine out service to do tune-up. I think I'd rather take off bodywork than remove a motor, for maintenance items at least.
Umm. I would for sure get a PPI on this since it is just $12.00. That's right $12! They are lucky there isn't a buy it now button.
Mercedes of Orlando hates used Porsche's I guess.
http://orlando.craigslist.org/ctd/5312559176.html
http://showroom.auction123.com/merce...0YS654245.html
I'm sure there is someone around here that would claim they would still be overpriced. He would then go on about how every one is likely to blow it's motor (though with a bunch of made up acronyms that it may be hard to figure out his point). Then he would question your ability to find the lug nuts as you would be stupid to risk $240k worth of engine rebuilds.
$33k for a TT? Must be a modded out piece of track garbage.
If anyone wants to make a quick buck though I hear there is a guy in the TT forum that will offer you 40 for it sight unseen.
I think this one is a scam. Those trees in the background don't look like anything we have around here. 2001 coupe for $12,200 with clean title.
https://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5315880389.html
Hi guys. New to the forum, been looking for a 996 Turbo for a while now, what do you think of these?
2004 TT cab with 77K
http://atcm.co/S2PVDP/18475B5A
- owner sent me recent shop invoices for recent oil change and it says there was an issue where it is popping out of 1st gear, she is not sure if it was fixed, probably not (it was her father's car and he passed).. how serious is that?.. I prefer coupes so my gut is telling me to stay away for a few different reasons on this one.
2001 TT coupe with 108K
www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=414035314
- owner sent me bunch of pics along with PPI report from when he bought the vehicle 3 years ago, he got the "major service" done for about $3K at that time, he didnt do the cylinder head gaskets that were recommended, apparently there was oil seep..
Ya these are not perfect options but obviously trying to work within a budget and I'm handy with a wrench so hoping I can do some of the work myself if needed.
I don't feel like it is, he sent me a PPI from Rusnak Pasadena Porsche and it has his phone number and address in there. He says he did all the "Fail" items in the following:
https://i.imgur.com/GVlJpt3.png
However this was 3 years ago. So I would want to get another PPI done. What do you think?
http://providence.craigslist.org/cto/5317717477.html
I actually like the wheels. Low miles and claims to have some IMS records.....But...rebuilt status could be an issue.
Nice, lower mileage Arena Red '99. Nothing too special aside from the Savanna sport seats and 3-spoke wheel. Asking $17.9. Seems like a decent deal for someone.
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/a...w-mileage.html
It's the only proper color of course.
Jag refers to it as 'biscuit'.
Ferrari calls it 'caramel'.
Lambo calls it 'fawn'.
I don't know what name Porsche uses but all others are for scroggers and leftists.
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/n...280862468.html
Probable scam since that looks more like Florida than what you find outside DC. If you find otherwise though it's not far from me if you want eyes on.
2003 C4S, silver over black, 6 speed, 99k miles, asking $19,999, small used car dealer just west of St. Louis.
https://columbiamo.craigslist.org/ctd/5324454607.html
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...317693898.html
Good price for those that like the glossy turbo look wheels. I'd own them already, but I'm too nervous of the fitment on a NB car
18x8/50 front & 18x11/45 rears
For reference, the NB versions are 18x8/52 & 18x10/65.
Not for a C4S. Could easily drive that another 20k miles and sell for the same price.
That is a steal. Damn.
Requires coilovers to sit flush with the fender. I ran them on both my '99 and '00.
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I posted this one earlier. I said that I had no affiliation, but it turns out this is one of the 996s that another Kansas City Auto Museum board member owns. He has two 1999s, this one is the one his wife drives. I see that he just dropped the price to $10,500. It is far from pristine, but it's not horrible. He thinks it has a tapping sound coming from the engine, but both I and another 996-owning board member listened to it after the November board meeting. We both felt it was very minor and "normal" for the mileage. I think it is priced appropriately if not a little cheap, all things considered.
https://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5327125691.html
You see, on the right side of the 'post' message pane, you'll see some little images. Some of them are animated, some not. Since the internet is a rather dry media, we can't express inflection, or humor, anger, frustration, etc. These little images reflect those emotions and are called 'emoticons'. We use them to show things we can't via the printed word.
Just left the Holiday Kickoff party at the auto museum. I told Matt that I stuck his car up on Rennlist in this thread before I knew it was his car. I think he'd take $9,500 or maybe a little less for this car. To me, that's not much more than roller money. Would be a lot of car for the $$.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=252182895401
Ebay listing 2004 C4S - 49k miles no reserve, currently at $16,200 could be a nice steal for someone.
From ^^^^ this is the text in the ad description: "I don't want to lose my listing fee, and I will file a case if deemed necessary."
What kind of case would he be filing if I put a bid in and don't buy the car?
When the car sells through Ebay, Ebay charges $200. If the winning bidder backs out the seller has to file a "case" with Ebay to request a refund of the $200 fee. So it's just a case with ebay customer service. I have needed to do this with buyers who back out.
I am sadly selling my 2000 Porsche 911 cab, KBB is quoting it at around 17k but with all these updates I think its a fair price. Let me know what you guys think.
Link:
http://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/5335747912.html
techweenie just posted this in the Turbo forum Craigslist thread - smoking deal for you SoCal guys with blue interior. $200 for a complete interior except seats.
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst...335718921.html
I don't think that's a bad starting price. You can always take offers. If I was you I would get a friend who is a good photographer to take some better pictures. It can dramatically increase the interest in your ad.
Rare 2005 C4S coupe, 47k miles, 6 speed. Not particularly cheap asking $38,000. Here in Kansas City, so just let me know if anyone wants a Rennfax. Dealer is close to me, so no problem to take a look.
https://kansascity.craigslist.org/ctd/5292830508.html
If I were you I would take those wheels off and put stock back on or purchase a set of stock and put them on. I am glad we all like different things but those are nice to a select few buyers. Most people buying a 911 will want oem rims and you can probably sell those for a few bucks on the side. I would also take the roll cage out of your convertible rag top 911, again just an opinion on making the car more salable and you can sell it on the side.
Recently sold my Boxster, and on the market for a 996.
What do you guys think of this one?
http://miami.craigslist.org/brw/ctd/5322759379.html
Will apriciate any opinion before I go to have a look at the car.
Thanks in advance.
Meir.
Not sure yet.
I want to go there tomorrow (or Monday) take it for a test drive, and look at the records.
If it looks good, I'm going to try and close a deal on the spot.
Hope the IMSB is still stock, and will try to negotiate the price.
Thanks for the quick reply.
That is a steal if it passes a ppi. If they won't budge on price I wouldn't sweat paying the ask as it is pretty cheapens under market, pending clean inspection.
so i run the carfax on the car, and it was apparently hit from the back at less then 4K miles on the clock. awooch!
don't want to thing what went thru the mind of the original owner when it happened.
here is a snip from the car fax.
still going to look at it.
will try to get at the the 21 range if it looks fine.
Looks very nice, but that rear end moderate damage accident is an issue. It would not keep me from buying it IF the repair was done correctly. By now, any problems with the repair should be evident. Assuming it passes an inspection, $22,000 is not out of line.
I have started talking to the private seller of this Bostonian 2002 c4 black-on-black which ticks many of my boxes. I wonder whether anybody is familiar with this car or whether the seller is maybe here on RL? Any thoughts? Price is not yet known.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Porsche...vip=true&rt=nc
16k seems really low for a 40AE to me. Lots of pics, but something just feels off to me. The gapping around the hood looks off around the bumper and fender on the driver side and that the option is missing from the hood make me suspect some front end damage. What's with the water/cleaner spots all over the interior? There is some strange white spot on the rear edge of the passenger side rear seat. The P O R S C H E logo on the rear bugs me too, didn't these just say 911? Then the wing on wing action...
Maybe some of that is just questionable pics and nothing really screams don't buy, but I'd want to see it in the flesh and get it on a lift before I'd put money down.
I also see what gnat sees.
gnat - what is the "option" you are referring to on the hood, though?
The dealer understands it's a 40AE, but apparently the previous owner didn't or at least didn't care.
It won't sell for $16k but might at $19k. At $19k, you can get it sorted out and still be ahead of the game.
Oh yeah, I should have gotten that on my own. Definitely something going on with the front end. Carpet liner is not tucked in. The retainer piece for the spare looks jerry-rigged.
I didn't catch those, how about these from the same shot:
Crushed looking bracket about the spare on the driver side.
Center pins missing from the push pin fasteners on the black trim panel between the bumper and frunk.
Plastic "window" missing from the passenger side trim panel next to the battery cover.
Definitely had some kinda work done to the front end and these items suggest it wasn't done to factory standards.
DSC_0274_1204x800_zpsltxkkymp.jpg
Sold at $16k....suspect. Not 40th AE number plate, seats were not comfort seats as sited, seats were black, not graphite gray, wrong rims....but it did have the x51 package. I bet this car is hot.
Ummm... I just really don't have words...
http://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/252191764324
It's in my general area so I should be nice and offer to Rennfax it for anyone interested, but you better damn we'll be serious for me to be seen within 100' of that...
Oh, hell yes, I want a Rennfax. Please, please, please gnat! And while you're at it, can you post a pic of you being eaten by the spoiler, kind of like the great white shark at Universal Studios:
Plus, he's buying a turbo - ya gotta invite him to join the 996tt forum. He'll be a huge hit over there.
Well as soon as it gets here and I get it deposited I'll get right on it for you. I don't get to the bank very often so you might want to contact the seller and let them know it will be a few weeks.
Alternatively you can just PayPal it to me at
[email removed]
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Hi guys.
So I saw the car on Sunday, and picked it up today.
I will start another thread to introduce myself, and will post some pics.
Just wanted to thank you for helping me make the decision.
Thanks again,
Meir.
This'll buff out right?
http://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/321933857361
With a salvage title, unrepaired body work, tired seats, missing radio surround, tired center console, bent/broken rim, and snow flaked cluster that seems too high. I'd also bet on the headlight housings need replacing too and they are $$$$ since those are the bi-xenons.
If the motor and AWD system are in good working order probably a good part out if you could get it for a roller price.
This is a candidate for me to pick up for around $8k. First, I'd look at the filter and drain the oil. If it's not making metal, I'll pickle the engine and put it in my storage room. Then sell off the AWD bits, brakes, interior, and some of the trim and then off to the breakers yard. If it were closer I'd toss some bucks at it just for a spare eng. Or ship it off to rebuild right with a bit more juice.
The lady will have...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Porsche...25.m3641.l6368
Lapis, cab, tip. Good thing the little woman doesn't like Porsches. Lapis is almost Cobalt.
Catching up on this thread from a two day absence it seems like there are some good deals on 996.1's at the moment. The aerokit, blue coupe, blue cab, and silver cheap cab all seem like great deals sub 20k. That's a ton of car for the money, and if I had the space at my Reno condo I would be picking up one of the cabs. Don't have a need for cab in OC as I already have drop top 911 I don't speak of. But newbies should be all over these cars!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=252206220884
Probably just a rolling turd owned by a cheapskate and uninterested owner, but still worth a look.
I don't know why I had it stuck in my head that it was a C4. That kills it for me
https://www.etsy.com/listing/2557889...d-art-car-auto
Picked up one of the "2003" GT3 for the wife as a Xmas or anniversary gift. Quality appears good for the price and the guy was great to deal with both in picking the specific colors involved as well as dealing with the USPS which seems out to get him. While packed really well, the glass was broken the first time. I figured we'd just make a deal for me to get new glass locally, but he sent me a new one. USPS had their way with it too, but it survived this time.
Don't know how many of you would fair well giving something like that to your wife, but maybe as a last minute addition to your own lists
Those are pretty cool. It would be something I would point my wife toward as a gift for me bcz frankly she sucks at gift giving. Great wife but just not good at gift giving. But my Christmas and birthday and anniversary gifts were all rolled up into one this year and parked in the garage. No complaints.
Why hasn't this sold?
http://stlouis.craigslist.org/ctd/5324454664.html
Been on for three weeks. C4S under 20k, miles aren't too high. Too bad a three spoke wheel. If it wasn't silver, I'd be all over it like stink on an atty.
Nothing wrong with the repost after several weeks. That is a great deal. In about 3 months, people will be clamoring for a deal like that.
And we both know if it was guards red, it would've sold weeks ago.
The 2003 C4S in St. Louis might be a good starter 911 for someone like me. Other than the IMS issue, are there any other items that I should consider before making an offer? Any good local PPI guys or other resources? I'm in Houston so any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.
IIRC, that car is in Warrenton, which is about half an hour west of St. Louis. Not a lot of St. Louis guys on here, but TAZ40JAHRE can probably help you out if you pm him. If I was going to Mizzou to visit my son soon, I'd drive on over there and do a Rennfax for you or have him go over and Rennfax it for you (he's a big Porsche guy too, even though he's only 19).
I would definitely get a good PPI on any car sold by a small used car dealer.
BTW, a silver over black C4S bought at sub-$20k would be a fantastic car. Would be hard for you to go wrong with that car if it is in reasonably good condition. That would really be considered a "destination" Porsche by a lot of people. If you don't like it, sell it in March for $23k.
KCAttorney-Thank you for the information. BTW-Some of my closest friends are lawyers, no slime whatsoever!
OTMike - I left a message for the sellers and hopefully they will call back and figure the status of the car.
Thanks guys!
Not even a bid? WTF?!?!
Incredible price for a well sorted and proven car. I know it's red, but come on people!
Oh but for the want of a front differential
+996
Retake non-track pics like on a grassy concours or something to show off your detailed and stage 3 paint correction skillz.
Mention all the interior/exterior care that went into it.
Having track pics to sell a non GT3 or Cup Car is like Houston taking out a classified's to see if anyone wants to marry her. It ain't gonna happen...
Good points fellas. I admit that I was in a hurry to get pics up. I am headed into our legislative session so I've been a tad preoccupied. But, the S will be here next week so that's one less hurdle to deal with. I can then get red looking more tame with some better pics.
If all else fails, I will hold till the spring.
That the seller is an idiot?
Those wheels were not optional on the ME, that's what you got. I'm also pretty sure that Porsche never sold Misha's wing as an option...
The fake 4S red stripe (that isn't even on straight) doesn't help his cause much either...
Looks like the guy got it from uncle and drove into the ground. never maintained it. no appreciation for the car. what a shame...
And there are some non-ME things going on that are a bit of a hack.
The color is either Dark Blue or Ocean Blue Metallic. Both tend to change color depending upon the lighting. It can be anywhere from a greenish to a purple with all kinds of blues in between.
Anyone else find the price to be a bit steep for a car that needs rod and crank bearings?
Hopefully it comes with a box of parts -- like an airbox, serpentine belt, and probably a bunch of other bits.
I'm still SMH over that McIntosh amp -- back in the day I had one like it, but mine used vacuum tubes .
FWIW, this was also on eBay ... 2000 coupe, Guards Red, 49k miles, salvage title. Nothing extraordinary, but looks pretty original. Dealer is asking $14.9:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...a/301827360561
Big question marks, of course, are where/how it was damaged, where/how it was repaired. Still, may not be a bad car.
It's nice that the seller has disassembled the engine, determined the failure mode, and defined the parts needed to those specific bits - 'crank and rod bearings'. I'm sure the rest of the engine is pristine and will require no further bits to get it running. Uh-huh.
18k for a roller, even with good paint. Hope he's got a place for it to park for a while.
Thanks for doing your part to raise our values!
Congrats. I'm usually not a SG fan, but I like it with the Aero (I don't think I've seen one before actually...). But it could just be my bias towards the MkI Aero cars
Well, there was that guy that bought the cabriolet recently for $64,000, remember? Hurdi kept trying to say it was only worth $30k. Freaking Hurdi, driving down the prices.
http://www.ashfordmotors.net/
....was this the dealer's website? If so, I'm the new owner
Got him down to 19k...it was black Friday and there was a lack of recent service history, got it inspected & borescoped and it all checked out. It's being delivered now.
For the record, I kinda like the 3-spoke wheel better than the 4-spoke. Call me weird.
Yeah, I think that's the one. I was thinking it was in Warrenton, but Wright City is next door, so it's gotta be it. Congrats on your purchase. It was priced low, so you had to know it wasn't going to last on the market very long.
So, tell us about it. Not so much here on the NA 996 forum, but in the 996tt forum, the prevailing sentiment among some is that anything that's priced "cheap" has got to be a complete piece of shxx. For example, although I felt like I paid fair market value for my 996tt in September, when I said what I paid for it, there were several guys who immediately called it "junk" and "garbage" without even seeing it.
It would be nice to hear in detail what was good and not so good about it. I'm certain that it must have had a few needs - even the really nice, higher priced cars are still used cars and aren't perfect. It would be great to see some pics also.
Thanks! I'll definitely keep you guys posted when it arrives at my doorstep. It looked surprisingly clean for the mileage and I've been shopping around for awhile trying to find a really good deal (I'm in no rush to buy a 996 even though I was in the market) and it did almost seem too good to be true. I did my homework; the dealership bought it off auction so they didn't have any previous owner info on hand. Carfax and Autocheck were clean...tried to get in touch with the shop that the previous owner had it serviced at but it was recently closed and reopened and they had no service information on the car.
So yeah, the purchase was a risky purchase and the mechanic was just a local mechanic about 10 minutes away from the dealership..definitely not ideal, but he had nothing bad to say about the car other that the front rotors look moderately worn but the pads look brand new. He was suprised how clean the engine looked, tires were new, plugs looked OK, and he said all 6 cylinders had no or negligible scoring.
I've ordered an IMSB for some peace of mind and plan to get it installed right away. I'm no wrench, but I have a close family friend who's a mechanic (and owns a 82' 911 himself). While he's under there, if anything needs to be replaced I'll bite the bullet.
justince - I was just looking at auction data from Manheim. It looks like your car may have sold at the auction for $21,200 in July, which means the dealer had about $21,500 in it after the buyer's fee. Now, the one reported on the Manheim auction website sold in St. Louis and was a silver 2003 C4S, but it had about 10,000 less miles on it. Certainly could have been that the dealer bought it 4 months ago to drive himself and drove it 10,000 miles in those 4 months. But, since the asking price was almost $2,000 less than the dealer's cost, that's still a pretty good deal for you in anybody's book.
I've got a dealer's license. Normally, I'll buy a car at auction, drive it for several months and then sell it for what I paid for it. Sometimes I make a few hundred dollars, and sometimes I lose a few hundred dollars. I normally just try to break even and figure I make out by getting to drive a cool car for several months for free.
I saw that, but as shameful as it may be since we have a MkI with it's skirts I don't notice a difference. I'm sure I would if they were side by side, but it's not obvious to me.
Can anyone help me out with 996 pricing? I took a look at this car:
http://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/5359687040.html
It's clean, interior's in good shape, and nothing seems out of the ordinary on a test drive. KBB is ~10.5k, but I'm not sure that is a valuable data point.
I bought a carfax and it looks like it has had 6 or 7 owners and had a front end accident very early in its life.
I'd obviously have a PPI done, but I don't know how much the high owners / accident impact price. Is this car a decent deal at 14k, or would I be overpaying?
Thanks!!
Need more details on its options, but based on being over 100k and that it is a tip, I'd say 13 is probably a bit more realistic. Especially this time of year.
Thanks for the insight. I believe it has a power driver's seat, cd player, and obviously is a tip. Definitely not full leather. Has zero maintenance records, and claims to have pretty new brakes and brand new tires. Seller also claimed the IMS bearing "has been done" but I called both dealers who had done all the service I could find on carfax, and there's no record of an IMS bearing service or any engine work.
Most IMSBs are done at indies so that doesn't surprise me, but if he can't/won't produce documentation then it's as good as if it hasn't been done.
I wouldn't put stock in it having the CD player (looks like tape holders in the center console, so I'm guessing it's the indash tape and frunk mounted changer). Unless you just want to keep the stock look you may very well upgrade to something more modern.
The lack of full leather is bad. Many people complain about the cheapness of the plastic bits you get without the leather. Look closely at the plastic bits for signs of wear, especially on the horseshoe (the trim "ring" on the dash around the stereo and AC units).
I'd still say 13k, but that's probably it's top end. Really it should be worth more, but that's what the market is
^^^^^
Full leather ages badly.
Yet to see a 100k+ car with full leather that looks good after 15 years. Owners stop caring about maintaining the leather 50,000 miles and many years ago.
The hell it does. Full leather is the best interior option you can get on these. At least in black.
We have 70k on our 01 and its spent its entire life living our side with no cover or sun shades. It's seen 110 degree days and its seen -2 days. We've only treated the leather a couple times its entire life.
The only issue with the leather is the dash has bubbled, but that's happened to garage queens too.
Compare that to our BMW that is less than half its age where the drivers bolster looks tan because the outer layer of black has rubbed off (and it did that years ago)
Porsche made some bad choices on the 996, but the leather they used for the full leather package wasn't one of them.
LOL, no, just say no ^^.
Let me give you a few hints here. A car with "refreshed engine with lots of new parts", parked in the dirty warehouse/garage, with tow hook still in the front bumper says RUN DON'T WALK.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/5356959147.html
(direct dealer link:
http://www.autoconnectionseast.net/3...911-Carrera-4S
)
Went and took a look at this today. Very clean, quite well kept for a 13.5 year old car. Mostly complete maintenance history going back to purchase, original window sticker etc included. IMSB replaced in 2011 at a reputable Bellevue indy, 90k service done this June.
Is $24k reasonable for a C4S with almost 100k miles?
Nice looking car, but looks lightly optioned. I don't think $24k is out of line. But, we've seen nice, similar mileage C4S models sell for $19k and $19,500 recently. I think the car is worth $22k. Come March timeframe, that $23,995 price will look a lot more reasonable.
EDIT: Looks like it sold. To you VivG?
Hello, Noob here looking to buy my first 996 4S. Can any of you fellas tell me why this car is still for sale? I found the ad in the PCA classifieds and tracked it on this forum. I've text with the seller and he seemed legit and open to a PPI at the Porsche Stealer in Detroit. I wish I can check the car out in person but I'm in NJ. Is this a decent deal? Thanks and hope to be part of the crew!
http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/cto/5309823455.html
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/n...373629684.html
Who knew there were two horribly winged blue 996s in my general area?
Maybe he wouldn't have to drop the price if he'd go ahead and put the stock deck back on!
150k on my graphite grey full leather, and it's held up very well. When I started looking 4 years ago, I quickly noticed the difference between full leather and without, and it made it to my "must have" list.
That was a different car and my bank said that KC Attorney is not a real name, there is no bank named "I have a guards red turbo", and 12345678 is not a valid routing number. So your check bounced. Now you owe me a $200 fee for the bounced check on top of the $200 for the Rennfax.
I'm looking around and found in local newspaper a 2006 Cayenne Turbo, 58k miles, tires and brakes 13k miles old, and has a warranty for another 7k miles. The guy is asking $20k. Are the '06 Cayennes reliable? What main concerns should I have? Is it as good of a deal as I think it might be? I saw it and drove it and it seemed to be running great.
Check the P!g specific forum. Lots of good details in the stickies.
In short, coolant pipes are the big concern. Probably not enough miles for the carden shaft to be an issue. Compressor for the air suspension could need a rebuild soon.
Kilo of coke in the frunk?
I'd love it if they were worth that, but that's probably 10k high. Especially this time of year. More details and pics would be needed for a good estimate though.
What's the maintenance history on the car? Any special options? Is it a factory-coded XAA car? IMS replaced? A solid, lower-mile XAA aero car might bring $25-28k...
Well if it helps, I bought mine a year ago for $20k. 64000 miles, XAA code, LSD, white gauges, full leather, 6-speed, aluminum shifter/e-brake/door guards, no maintenance history and original IMS. To be fair, I've put a good amount of money in her on maintenance items (preventative and required).
At 70k it's a safe bet the clutch isn't too far in the future which is 1500-2500 depending on your local shop and that's a good time to do the bearing too.
If the Aero is the best option it has, $15k may be more correct. No Xenons? No leather? Power seats? Nothing?
My 2�... Bidders generally do not like reserve auctions. Plus everything goes dead right around the holidays. If you're going to relist in an auction format, maybe do no-reserve with your rock bottom price as the opening bid. Or ask $19,900 "buy it now" and field "best offers".
Why do you always put your cars up for sale 6 months after I buy one?
Seriously, 2 months from now people will be all over here clamoring for a deal like that. I have an '06 SL500R that my oldest son bought at the auction last summer. I am not even going to bother listing it for sale until March 1st.
Yeah, I can tough it out a bit longer. I hate having the car just sit and only driven a few miles a week to keep things warmed up. It still gets prime garage space though. Albert the Alligator, the Cayman, is just dying to get that prime indoor real estate.
Clean, overpriced Aerokit.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...-pristine.html
I tired to buy this car a year ago. 5 owners if I remember correctly. He described himself as a "motivated" buyer and wanted $27k for the car. I offered $18k and he didn't want to talk anymore after that. It looks like he has since updated the IMS. Nice guy, doesn't ever drive the car anymore due to health issues. Not many options on the car besides XAA.
Anyone wanting a Cab the Fort Meyers car looks like a very nice find. Thank you for the post.
The Red car seems high based on what I am hearing. Its the second one in SoCal I have seen asking 28k. With the clutch and IMS done and a clean PPI the red car is $_____ car?
I am looking for a cpe, aero preferred but I am not opposed to aftermarket kits so non aero okay, I'll add kit. I'd consider a roller.
Looking to build a DE and weekend only car. Dont want a salvage title though.
Thank you for the posts.
Rick, talk to Gator. He is selling his red/black coupe (taco with some TechArt bits so not a true aero). Miles are what some think of as high, but its already set up for DE/AX and he is asking a low price for what you are getting.
I too checked this car out a bit back then. I was hot for it but the price kept me away. Since I got the sister car to this, with the enhanced 4 spoke wheel for much less, I'm thinking he's going to own it for a while. I don't have the IMS repl yet, but that won't add $11,000 to the value.
Yeah that's another car with minimal options (leather seats + supple centers), 3 spoke wheel, white/silver gauges, wheels, and maybe tail pipes. Like the car you described earlier I think it's a $18k-ish car right now. I do wish both sellers the best though as it would benefit all the current owners
Not sure about showing a pic of the car in the service bay. Just doesn't inspire confidence to me
To be honest I'd gladly pay $22-24k for that car. It had a known service history and was in great condition. Too bad the seller wouldn't play ball. I was forced to find another toy.
And that is always the important part. You didn't pay too much if you feel like you made an even trade.
My numbers are just based on what stuff seems to be getting listed at over the last year with a reasonable chance of selling for the listed price.
Meh. KC will be gaga over the color, but it really doesn't seem like anything special. Personally I am not a fan of those LED strips, but that's taste I guess.
Is that horseshoe right? Should it either be tan all around or black all around? Is the black top and tan bottom (around the cig lighter) correct?
All in all I'd say the price is right for what you are getting.
While not a car I consider it a good find on Craigslist. This is primarily for those living in northern NJ. This is not my ad nor do I know the person but it's a good deal for those looking for cheap and easy garage heat. I bought one, it was a quick and easy transaction in a CVS parking lot in North Arlington. He told me has has over 100 more. His story on the heaters is they were installed in a warehouse then taken down because the owner didn't like the color. Mine has two eye hooks on the top bracket and a cord with an industrial 220v plug which would be typical for a warehouse installation. It came in the original box. You can look up 3UG73 on grainger and get all the specs.
Dayton 3UG73 Electric Utility Heater
http://newjersey.craigslist.org/for/5345189546.html
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Holy crap - a GUARDS RED car for $14,500?!?!?! What the hell are people waiting for?
The paint alone is worth that! I mean really, guards red over tan tippy cab - buy it for your wife as it will make her hotter than any amount of plastic surgery.
Jeez, Gator's car and now this one, underpriced and languishing on the market despite being painted in God's own favorite color. SMH.
Sorry can't help on the look see. Here we have a true enthusiasts car. Well bought, well taken care of, documented, and clearly loved.
Sadly, his price is too high for the rest of the similar age/mileage. Wish it were't so, but then I couldn't have bought mine I guess.
Sigh,,,,,
Are you kidding? Red is the only proper color for SoCal. I lived in SoCal for many years, and the only thing I would have is a bright tip cab. Sun, no shifting, crayon color - what's not to love?
'look, it's a black man 911 coupe. Hey, it's a gray man 911 coupe. Over there, a black man 911 coupe, hey wow, a silver man 911 coupe.' yawn
Nice 996tt on eBay right now with $37k "buy it now" or best offer. Silver over black, 6 speed, 73k miles, sport seats, carbon fiber interior, double DIN stereo.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=281905757019
That Turbo is at a Porsche consignment shop in downtown SF, I was actually thinking about going to take a look at it.
http://www.carsauto.com/2001-porsche...rbo-c-950.htm?
It's been listed on Craigslist here at 37.7k for a while, not sure why it hasn't sold yet. Not a huge fan of the carbon interior, but otherwise seemed decent for the price.
That's at Cars Dawydiak, and IIRC, it's at Pine & Franklin in San Francisco. Back in the early '90's I lived out there and was friends and did some business with Walter Dawydiak (who has a fondless for Porsches), a stand-up guy who was building a 1st class business. From their web site pictures, it sure looks like he's done well.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/5396961665.html
Seal Gray/Metropole Blue C4S, priced at $24,880 on their website. I haven't seen too many 996 with the rear window wiper, just a cool detail.
I'm looking for a 996 6 speed coupe around the 10k mark. That last one would have been a good buy for me. Hopefully I'll come about one soon. If anyone has one please Private message me. Thanks!
^ Nah, seems completely legit to me. I'm sending them a $5,000 deposit via Western Union as we speak. Seller is a really nice Nigerian prince who just needs cash so that he can get to his $500 million inheritance that has been tied up in court. So, sucks for him that he's letting the car go so cheaply, but I'll end up the big winner in the whole deal. I feel good about the transaction. I don't see how I can lose.
Ironically, I have a friend that decided to reach out to the seller and see if this is real. If it is, I know he will buy it. If not, he is also an attorney that will spot trouble immediately.
Yes, I'm saying that the desirable Guards Red paint is the highlight of that car, but there's nothing too special about the rest. But absolutely, if it fits the bill for docmirror, the electrical mods are the worst thing I could say about it, and that's not necessarily a problem if done correctly. I'm just always leery of hack jobs on stuff like that.
Anyway, I thought Doc had a bright red topless F-car? Maybe he's finally looking to 'upgrade'?
This was my assessment as well. Good color, the rest is fine but doesn't knock me down. I do have a topless F-car, but my wife and kids won't drive it.
This bastard had the GALL to advertise this right near me.
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/cto/5402954207.html
Doesn't he know my lack of will power? Doesn't he understand I want a bright cab with AWD? My wife has her eye on an amphibious plane, so I need to check the car budget and see if we can squeeze this little gnack in this month. If it was a tip it would already be in my driveway.
^ That's a very nice looking deal also - speed yellow over black, 80k miles, 6 speed, aero kit, OZ wheels, carbon fiber, double DIN nav head unit, $18,200 asking.
Considering getting another 996 (for the wife).
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/5409436341.html
I think Tiptronic would be better for her but the color has her intrigued. Any expert opinions?
I saw that post earlier today, I was going to text the number in the ad but never got around to it. Mileage was a bit of a downer, but if it's been maintained well maybe not a huge problem? Also not a fan of the Sparco buckets that replaced the stock front seats.
If you're looking for a bright 996 cab, there's a Speed Yellow one at Porsche Stevens Creek that also caught my eye for $19.9k.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/5406233596.html
(actual VIN:
WP0AA29992S620691
) also seems decent, will be taking a look tomorrow probably.
It looks to be in great shape, but $23k is a lot of money for a very low-optioned C2, even with the low miles. I personally would prefer my 60k '99 C4 with a few options and replacement engine, which I know isn't worth $23k.
^ I concur, but then there are those people who value low miles over everything else. Based on what appears to be the excellent condition of that car, I'll bet they get close to asking price here in about 6 weeks or so when Spring Car Buying Fever hits full fever pitch.
stop the presses.. The most ridiculous turbo that i have ever seen... Black 03 16000 miles. X50, full aero, ceramic brakes, every conceivable option known to Stuttgart... And it can be had for 43 K... I am literally crying as I write this and I almost peed my pants drooling over the photos... But the sad reality is that I can't justify spending this much money at this point in my economic recovery. Somebody here has to buy this, preferably someone that lives very close to me in Kingston Ontario.. If you know what I'm saying...
...of some consolation... if all goes well I am closing on an 04 4s cab this aft.
I assume this is the car you are talking about?
http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/de...9480/overview/
Yes, it looks very nice, but every conceivable option is not necessarily a good thing when one of those options is a tiptronic transmission
Not a whole car... but looks like you could make one with all the parts...
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html_1976
porsche 911s targa 2.7 - my link was bad, this should work better
I think that Turbo is in the Montreal region and on one site they put a canadian price and kilometers and on another site a U.S price and miles.Does create a confusion
Well it does have an "Upgraded System" so maybe $25k isn't too far off...
They do realize that Ohio is not the South right?
I'd love for that to be a $25k car, but it's just not. As listed maybe 17-18?
What's the attraction here? Black? meh, gray? meh, C4? meh, mileage? meh. Aside from being the superior Mk1 chassis, and having some aftermarket suspension goodies I just don't see the $25k. No offense intended, but if this is a bargain, then my 99 aero with factory sport pkg should be worth ~$28k. But - it isn't.
Keep shopping.
It doesn't. Your url was cut off so this link leads to a generic 1976 ebay search result.
Welcome to rennlist, but this is the water cooled 996 sub forum and you are linking an ebay 1976 air cooled car, in a sub forum thread about "Craigslist finds".
Is this possibly a link to your vehicle(parts) sir?
I agree with you in principle, but that statement makes no sense. The MkI and MkII share the same chassis.
Speaking of the chassis and you being "meh" on the C4, it's worth knowing that the C4 has the stiffer chassis of the GT3 rather than the same one as the C2.
I didn't want to get into the minutia of the differences between the Mk1 and 2 cars, so I simply used the word 'chassis' to describe the entity. In fact, I don't even know if there are differences in the chassis - but I would reason there are some minor changes. If you don't like it, I think I will still be able to sleep tonight, prolly.
So, he took an already stiff(er) chassis and added even stiffer suspension to that. Well ok then, I guess that makes it all right - to someone.
Does any of the above make it[sic] worth $25k? Only the buyer will know for sure.
Fair deal on this low mileage aero package car (not sure if factory), 21k miles, guards red, and it has the 4 spoke steering wheel everyone seems to like around here
http://www.newtonnissan.com/vehicle-...tn-id-12232962
Fair deal? Is there a kilo of coke in the frunk or something? That is no $26k car. It has almost no options on it (I see wheels, Aerokit, leather seats, and the CD player).
The lower bolsters on both seats show more wear than I would expect for 21k miles. Transmission tunnel trim is also more scratched up than I would expect too.
Also the 4 spoke wheel is generally disliked. There are only a few of us that prefer them.
Good luck to them. I hope it does sell for that price, but I think they are at least 6k high and possibly as much as 10k.
What should be and the reality of the market are 2 different things. And I said it was at least 6k high (e.g. 20k) and
possibly
10k high.
The high end for a MkI C2 seems to be about 20 right now and that is typically for a more compelling car. Average seems to be in 17k range. Prices will start bumping now that spring is on the way, but it's still not remotely a 26k car.
Other than the miles and the AK there is nothing overly compelling about the car as far as options go.
Well, really they are asking $27,000 ($26,981). I would peg the value on that one at around $21,000. Remember spring fever is about to hit. They might get $23k or $24k - there are some people who value low mileage cars that much. Also, the wear on the bolsters I think is exacerbated by the tan color. Those same seats with that wear in black would look like they are new.
Agree that low 20's is more realistic than high teens (or high 20's). Options are great but it's first and foremost a great sports car. In all seriousness, what options from 1999 are still desirable in 2016? Not the Nav or the sound system right? Any thoughts on that?
I tend to agree, but there are some options that I think add more than just fluff to a MkI: Full leather interior, sport seats, LSD, aluminum gauges, 3-spoke wheel, aluminum shifter & e-brake...to name a few.
Not a bad price for the mileage as long as it doesn't have any accidents. Not sure if I love or hate the orange.
hhttps://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/5436329291.html
Looks like it's a wrap on a silver car
When I picked up my car, I had to drive from Queens, across Manhattan and then through the Jersey suburbs at 8:30 am on a weekday. I can see how someone in a big city might not want a 6 speed.
A minor not to pick, but this dealer is not 'asking' that price, they are a no-haggle dealer. So the sticker is what you pay(plus TTL I presume).
As for the value of this car, I think it's a low $20k example. It is quite fresh in appearance except for the bolster and a bit of scruff on the center. I also don't see many valuable options except some radio junk and a leather wrapped wheel. I think it'll be there a while, unless some rube walks in and points to it - 'look maw! it's a shiny new one of them-thar porch-ahs! Lets git us one a them! woooohweeeee, yeahah!
(queue Deliverance theme)
My graphite grey interior has less wear at 70k than that car at 20k something. At $22,000 or less, I would consider buying it purely for the low miles if I was in the market for a 996. Although driving 1,500 miles per year can't be good for that car???
I've always wondered about the no-haggle places but have never dealt with one--I kind of thought that it might be part of their game? If I express interest in a car and make a fair offer that's below their price, do they humor it or just send me out the door after figuring out that I'm not going to pay their asking price?
To be fair, I'm not talking about low-balling anyone, I'm talking about making them a fair offer on a car that's clearly overpriced at $27k.
Seems like a pretty good deal if it checks out - 99 C4 coupe, 6MT, black/black, 98k, new engine/IMS at 72k, $15.9
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/cto/5430969314.html
Not endorsing this one - just pointing it out. The owner is a Rennlister and its talked about in the 996TT Craigslist forum. The big bad news is that it has a salvage title and high miles. Not sure I like the paint job (but not crazy bad). The good is the asking price ($31k) and that it has been completely gone through maintenance wise. So, might be worth looking into:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301870444138...3D981190929647
2001 PORSCHE 911 Turbo- New single stage paint, Major Service. 583hp & 654tq done right!
I purchased this 2001 Turbo from another Porsche enthusiast last spring with the intention on keeping it for years to come. I am building a 914-6 racecar and I need to fund its completion, or I would be keeping this turbo. This Turbo does have a rebuilt salvage title going back to 2004. The left rear quarter panel was damaged. The frame and suspension is straight, it was totally cosmetic. When I purchased the car the silver paint was cracking so I decided to repair the damage and do a color change to the exterior of the car along with painting the door jams and top side of the engine bay black. You can see the repairs to the fenders in the attached photos. Also this car had an engine out MAJOR service (see below for list). The turbo's, fuel injectors, clutch and intercoolers were upgraded and now with the 911Tuning tune the turbo makes 486whp (583hp at the crank) and 544wtq (654tq crank) with 91octane. With all the upgrades and service items that were performed in the last 300 miles this 911 Turbo will be on the road for a long time to come. I have invoices for all the work performed. Also this 911 Turbo came with a ton of performance parts and upgrades when I purchased it that unfortunately I do not have invoices for. Inspections and PPI's at qualified shops welcome. Please ask any questions or request any photos. I am in no rush to sell so please no low ball offers or trades, thanks. The 911 is located in Phoenix AZ. The title is in my name and has zero liens.
VIN:
WP0AB29981S687097
List of everything done in the last 300 miles.
911Tuning K-16 billet Turbos
911Tuning Injectors
AP intercoolers
911Tuning custom tunes with scanner
Drive belt
Water Pump
Air & cabin filter
Spark plugs and coils
Coolant lines pinned
Clutch Master high clamp load clutch kit
G-Box 2nd gear detent
Transmission fluid (Porsche)
Oil & filter
Porsche 996 Turbo wheels power coated with new tires
Brake fluid flush
Adjustable sway bars front and rear
Fuel filter
MAF
Diverter Valves
Window regulator
Corner Balance and alignment
Upgrades previously done.
Two wheel conversion
H&R coil overs
Tarett drop links
Assco lightweight fly wheel
Transmission rebuild (zero 2nd gear pop out)
GT2 front bumper and GT2 Spoiler
Rear seats removed
Stock clutch slave cylinder
Battery
Fixed wing kit
Hi guys. Looks like I've found a car (sadly not a p-car yet). I have 21 free Autocheck reports left before my subscription expires on Feb. 17th. Please PM me if you'd like a free Autocheck. Thanks.
Anyone know this car or the dealer? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/391382777399?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
In this pic it looks like the bumper is a slightly different color, maybe just the lighting? I've seen this seller on eBay at lot, they have a ton of very low mileage examples of various desirable cars.
Edit: The Carfax shows that it had an accident in 2002.
Marshall Goldman has traditionally been a high end re-seller. Known for selling lower mile cars at the high end of the value range.
Recently I have heard of several cars coming from them with issues that were obvious and should have been identified by this level of dealer. In one instance they are paying for a complete engine rebuild on a 930 with a cracked block.
As with any used car PPI.
^ I think it's a good sign that his ad says the car has 124k miles and the odometer pic shows 121,466. Looks to me like the oil gauge is showing it's low on oil also. Attention to detail, yessiree.
But, hey, he says that's a "Cash Price!!!!' and that it's under market value ('99 cab with 124k miles for $18,999), so must be a smokin' deal.
You guys forgot it had the upgraded 325 hp engine! With 375.1 lb/ft of torque! He's not asking enough. That must be the XR71 pkg.
And I'd like to know where the rest of the super high performance mean exhaust is. And the wheels he obviously just took off.
As some one growing up on the Fast and Furious movies, I'm backing away slowly. Even in the pictures it looks like it already has paint chipping on the front bumper. I'd take the $4K he spent on the body work and take it off the price.
I thought that too, but if you look at the other landscape pictures it's actually something on the lens or something. Still doesn't instill me with confidence as you would expect them to look at the pics and say "Hey something is making it look like chunks of paint are missing!" and then fix it.
Still have a few left, hit me up or they'll go to waste. Good chance to get a report on your own car if you're thinking about selling it or just curious.
Well -- thanks for that. You really should warn people with like a 'Not Safe If You Just Had Lunch' or similar.
Now I've got chunks of ham on rye all over my kybd that I have to clean.
http://tucson.craigslist.org/cto/5448849151.html
Not a fan of the color, but has sports seats. Appears to sit low, so ask if it has option 030, 220, etc. Maybe the sports package, and has aero.
Quite tasty, but not really a Deal of the Century on price.
Incredible deal for a higher mileage 911
1999 Porsche 911 6 speed manual black - $14750 (Pebble Beach, CA)
http://monterey.craigslist.org/cto/5451553018.html
Quote:
Originally Posted by sweet victory View Post
A gt3 worthy of any collector's stable
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/5444523647.html
Based on where the spare tire is located... I think this MAY NOT be a C4 as indicated in the advertisement.
That looks pretty enticing, even though I'm not the biggest fan of 996.1s. Worth doing due diligence on, certainly.
Yeah, so I don't really know my right and left...
This guy has had this posted for probably 6 months now. It's a good deal if there's a bag with $20k in the trunk.
http://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/5455509849.html
Pretty nice aero kit 99' stick with 55k or so in that dark blue color (lapis?). Needs some engine work though it says.
http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/5446739847.html
I think that makes the 4th time it has made this thread. That has to be approaching a record.
Can we make a new rule that the person that posts a car for the 10th time is required to purchase it?
Maybe a good deal? Some recent work done.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5463899403.html
Nice Turbo:
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/5463625515.html
There's a Batmobile - er, customized 911, on eBay currently:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=182026592522
You too could own this car which is "simulated" to exceed speeds of 240MPH! Because who doesn't want to go 240MPH in a cabriolet?
There are 2 things I see from that pic.
The first is that it looks like the paint is messed up on the rear quarter panel around the light and c-pillar. Hopefully it's just a trick of the light and reflections. If the paint is messed up, I'm told it is expensive to repair due to the high cost of the paint itself and blending it is apparently a PITA and a half.
The second issue is that those are not the factory wheels. The factory wheels where "glossy" turbo look wheel (basically the same wheel, but in a chrome-like finish). This is why the center caps don't match as they are for the original wheels. Most people don't like the glossy wheels, but on a numbered car completeness is king and a replacement set isn't cheap (even used are expensive as there are so few out there).
No mention of the front though. As the ME is a C4, that's something to look at and make sure that the tread isn't too dissimilar or the brand/model tires differ between front and rear. If either is true, walk away as that makes "The car has always been garaged and taken very good care." a lie.
You are always supposed to change your front and rear tires at the same time on an AWD car, but many (myself included) subscribe to the belief that as long as the fronts aren't worn down much then just replacing the rears is fine. In 70k, however, our fronts have always been worn down enough that we've had to do all 4 at once.
Dissimilar tread wear/diameters or mismatched brand/model tires can cause premature wear and failure of the AWD system.
Thanks. I noticed the paint anomaly but put it down to weird reflection. The wheel issue is important. For a numbered car, anything not leaving the factory is going to be an issue(unless one doesn't care about the provenance).
I'm actually not that interested in the ME version but I was doing a search for C4S type cars and this came up. However, it is not a C4S so, that's another mistake he made, although likely on purpose.
And there is the color obsessed KC I've been missing. Welcome back
Hopefully this means your jokes will be funny again...
We had the option to get a ME instead of hers. It is a very striking car, but other than being AWD, having (the wrong color) full leather, the Bi-Xenon lights, and wheels she wanted, it just wasn't her car.
I actually saw one in the wild up here back in January. Still a very striking color combination, but I'm still glad we passed on it.
In my weird world I would give the ME a bump of maybe $3-5k over a 2000 C4, based on collectability and no difference in performance. So, if I value that ME at $17k and add the top of the bump it comes to $22k. If it's really nice condition that would be my number but I suspect the seller is kinda stuck on his price, so I don't think it will lead anywhere.
Prolly be smarter to stick with my C4S plan and just keep shopping. But this one is close enough in location to give it a look.
That first 996 doesn't look to be a fantastic deal to me, though I'd be interested from others if the aero kit is really driving up the price. I'd say that's an $18-21 car car based upon vintage and mileage (excluding the aero kit) and the positive/negative mods (depending on who is being asked).
That was my thought, but since that ME car had a KBB link in it I poked around and out 70k and labeling it's condition as "good" ours (01 C4 w/Aero) comes in at $23k.
Seems high to me, but maybe market is turning...
At 80k the price feels a bit high to me, but it does appear to have some nice options. I don't know the C4S aerokit enough to know if that is a real AK wing or a 3rd party wing. If it's the real deal, that's rare (and makes the rear, which I normally hate, look good).
The paint look is a reflection and able thing no doubt and likely the car needs a nice detail. That Chromaflair paint has to be kept nice and clean and waxed one a year to look amazing.
Haha, does that mean I'm holding my breath?
I'm just a wannabe enthusiast who can't escape the alluring power of Porsche. A 996 is the most affordable so I always tease the idea.
I have a C5 Z06 Corvette for open track days but would LOVE to trade my E46 330ci for a 911 and maybe have a couple options when track days are available to me.
I know more about Corvettes than I do 911s so its really cool to have people like you help me out with information and opinions so, thank you!
I'd like to join the group one day. Hopefully sooner than later.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto/5463395181.html
Going to check this out today, seller says he has all the documentation (and seems to be a bit flexible on price). It's been driven like 16k miles in the last eight years.
Looks pretty good but be sure to double check the preventative maintenance items; ad mentions intermediate flange, not IMS bearing itself. Sometimes that gets mistaken for having had the IMS taken care of when it really hasn't. Don't want THAT surprise after you buy a 996.
Yeah, when I spoke with him over the phone, he mentioned IMS retrofit specifically (without me asking), so I assumed it was just a typo in the ad. Anyhow, he said he had all the receipts, so I'll take a look.
I think the ad is pretty clear. Based on it being a 99, being done by the dealer, and bein done with the RMS, it sounds to me like it was just the flange to upgrade it to the 3 rib seal. Without absolutely clear documentation to the contrary that is your safe bet.
On a 99, though, you have a dual row so I personally wouldn't stress about it. Get a PPI that checks the oil good, then enjoy it until it needs a clutch and replace the bearing then.
+1 Someone can correct me if I am mistaken, but I do not believe that a Porsche dealer was even allowed to change just an IMSB until just the last 3 or 4 years. I believe Porsche's official stance is still that the IMSB is not replaceable and that it is not listed as a separate part number. So, if it was done at a Porsche dealer 7 or 8 years ago, the chances that it was just the IMS flange are very high (if not 100%).
So I got to see that Ocean Blue C4 today. You guys were correct, it seems to have been the intermediate flange - "Replaced rear main seal, intermediate flange, and updated hardware" is the exact entry from the Fletcher Jones service log. There's also a line item called "Inter. Shaft Reseal" on the next page.
Interior was a bit more worn than I would have expected from a 53k mile car, but I guess the gray interior is more likely to show wear than black anyway? Will likely need brakes and potentially tires in the near-ish future.
One weird thing that I noticed after looking up the option codes on the hood sticker - the car had a 4 spoke steering wheel and the standard 17" C4 wheels (M399, I think), but the option codes indicate it should have a 3-spoke steering wheel (436) and M413 993 Turbo-look 18" wheels. So I'm not entirely sure what happened there. Anyhow, getting a PPI done on it later this week.
Maybe a previous owner used these as winter wheels and the originals didn't follow the car?
Maybe an owner didn't like the 3 spoke (I know I don't) and swapped it out?
As long as there isn't any sign that they were replaced due to an accident I wouldn't worry about it if you are OK with its current config.
I was also wondering about the steering wheel as my 99 has the three spoke. Wonder if the air bag blew once upon a time and they just replaced the entire wheel ??
Yeah, it wasn't that concerning, just an inconsistency I noticed. Honestly the biggest annoyance is the interior, I guess gray just tends to show wear worse than black.
The 4 spoke was the standard on the MkI cars and the 3 spoke was an option. I believe (but could be wrong) that the 3 spoke became standard with the MkIIs (was the 4 even an option on them?).
Apologies if this is an Enzo ... Yet another C-list scam ad.
2005 cab (997), 55k miles, for the low, low price of $22k:
http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/ctd/5465696748.html
Ignore the palm trees in NY in February ... after all, it's been a mild winter :-)
Great deal if it's real... It does list a local (Manhattan) phone number, and FLNY is a pretty frequent pattern for New Yorkers... Auto-train connects the two inexpensively, plenty of folks fly down and send their cars down on the train.
Highest priced NA 996 in the country?
http://fortmyers.craigslist.org/chl/cto/5479324347.html
It's red though... so maybe it's worth it. ( I do like the spoiler)
Looks to be well sorted, new IMS and new engine about 10k back. Lots of new goodies, if the seller can prove it that is....
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/cto/5469310766.html
eBay ad for a set of 18" Sport Design wheels, Mk 1 width and offset:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/252310133530
Not a bad deal for somebody in So Cal ... looks like they could use a refinish, but $700 is a pretty good price if they're straight.
Tip ruins it for me, but it's a sharp paint combo, one owner mk1 and the LSD option. Priced at $18k with 65k miles.
http://nmi.craigslist.org/cto/5451585886.html
Really? Then what is going on with the passenger dash?
Combined with those pics I think that really means "took a corner too quick, made the wife hurl, and now she is making me get rid of it"
[QUOTE=RDL;13084141]Another Aero Kit car
http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/cto/5477805280.html
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27K for a 99 with a four spoke wheel, yellow tails and a jacked up dash? And I get even get a bid on mine for 16.3K. Damn it all.
Prices for Aeros seem to be high lately Gator. Maybe your low price is turning people off
Strip the race pics and put it back up for $30k and I bet the offers start pouring in
I marketed it as not as racy this time. I had it too high last time and now too low. Parting it out seems like a good option. At least i can get out my frustrations my tearing pieces out of it.
Gator: If you can sell my 996TT for me for $45,000, I'll turn around and buy your car. I'm dead serious - I just don't want the hassle of trying to sell mine. I'd be just as happy with your car as I am with the turbo, plus I'd have 29,000 other reasons to soothe the disappointment of losing the 200 hp that I rarely use anyway. There are guys over on the turbo forum that are convinced a car like mine should bring $50,000 in a heartbeat. It amazes me that people will pay so much more for a turbo when a car like yours is on the market for a pittance. They are both 996s. You guys may be tired of me saying it by now, but after having owned a '99 C4 coupe and a '02 996TT X50, the '99 was 98% of the turbo experience for 40% of the cost.
You definitely don't want me selling your car Jeff! I am the worst at it. I am good at buying but hate, hate, hate selling cars. Did I mention that I hate selling cars? Hate it!!
Are you trying to compete with Groovy for turning over cars?
Are you seriously looking to sell it already?
I'd be interested if it wasn't for the god awful color
Gator (and anyone else reading this), listen to KC, he is right. I've see, driven, and like your car. Said so once, and I'll say it again. It will make someone a very nice car, but your focus should be on making it a really nice $15-18k car. Strip out the cage, fix the headliner, detail it inside and out.
On the mileage side, I'd offer to refund the cost of the PPI (up to a reasonable limit) if you and a buyer agree on a price and it doesn't measure up. Shows your confidence and limits a buyer's risk (especially out of the area buyers).
Pay someone to shoot 12-20 glamour pics showing detail. Paint gloss, wheels, interior, and a few flaws for credibility sake. I know someone in North FL who does excellent work and can hook you up. Again full disclosure helps mitigate doubts.
Finally, take it national with a wide audience. Autotrader, CarGurus, Ebay with a reasonable BIN, and accept offers. I'd suggest $18.9K, open to offers for a unique AK car, with sport seats, known history, big bearing, and a PCA seller who didn't just appear to sell his 996 after 6 months for "financial" changes in his life. Yeah right.
PM me if you want to talk further.
I agree. You sold your silver car very cheap also. Seems like you sell your cars a few months after I buy one. Heck, at that price, you'd think some starry-eyed kid would be lucky enough to fall *** backwards into that deal. I know when I was in my teens and 20's, I made a few dumbass car purchases because I fell in love with a car. Your car would actually be a smart move for somebody right out of college.
Not looking to sell, but that's how I sold the '99 C4 aero. Some guy saw it parked in the auto museum parking lot and decided he wanted it. Everything I own is for sale at the right price.
Although I absolutely love it, I'd sell my 996TT in a heartbeat for $45k. I'd then buy Gator's car and with the $29k leftover, I'd upgrade my wife's Saab 9-7x to a 2008 Cayenne S or better ($10k to upgrade), upgrade my long-in-the-tooth '06 S430 to the new body style '07 or newer (another $10k to upgrade), buy the nicest Fiat X1/9 (hey, I had one when I was a kid) in existence (figure, what, maybe $6k?) and still have money left over for a quick trip to Vegas.
Hmmm... Interesting. I don't even think I saw any 4 spoke wheel on a 00-01 when I was looking. I just did a quick search on Autotrader and I still can't find a 4 spoke '00-'01 model. The 3 spoke must've been a popular option.
Gator, I think stripping the cage would be a good idea and not advertise it as being raced.
kinda interesting...
http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/5470453924.html
is this statement in the ad true?
"This is an early model 1999, actually assembled in late 1998 and these early models did not have the problematic IMS bearing that has failed on later models."
No, it is not correct. All M96 engines from the early Boxster to the later 996.2 have a ball bearing based IMS and can suffer from bearing failure. However, the 99 model has a dual row bearing and has a much lower incidence of failure. I don't know how much lower, but less than the later single row.
So I was hoping to get a Boxster this summer but what are you trying to sell Gator? Do you have an ad up right now? A 911 would be preferred but I didn't think I could find one good enough in my price range. A roll cage wouldn't scare me away.
Just one man's opinion, but the purchase price of a 911 just gets you a seat at the table. If you actually want to play the game, the annual running cost should be taken into account. Buying a Porsche on a budget is a recipe for disaster.
Haha, great way too put it. That is probably why there isn't one in my driveway right now. I am stuck between "Porsches aren't for people on a budget" and "you only go around once". When I look at the $25K plus I have put in my '93 Corrado over the years and it is still worth only $7000,00 tops, I understand the pain. Hopefully doing my own repairs will help out. I know it is not a wise move but hopefully the smile on my face will last long enough to make it worth it. I just have to buy my wife some kitchen cupboards and I will be ready to seriously search.
Thanks for the input, you are 100% right and I know that is not jut one man's opinion. I might be better off going to Vegas but I like driving more than roulette.
Full 996.2 C4S front clip...looks good, but that's a lot of modified parts to ask 32k for. Even if it was an actual C4S with that mileage, that'd feel slightly high.
Your car looks awesome, but it was just too far away (I didn't want to deal with shipping a car across the country for 10% of the purchase price). So I ended up with a blue 99 C4 that I posted here a few pages ago.
This isn't a Craigslist car, but for sale on Canadian Autotrader. I looked into it, talked with dealer and sadly it's just out of my budget. Maybe a great find for somebody in the Toronto area. Please share pics if you buy it.
2003 C4S (speed yellow)
painted back sport seats
sunroof delete
new tires
PSE
new fluids all around
new tie rods
original IMSB
new clutch in 2012
new waterpump/thermostat
new pads/rotors
new front control arms and strut arms
stainless steel brake lines
car comes with aftermarket GT2 wing, but was told the OEM deck lid is available as a swap
http://www.autotrader.ca/a/Porsche/9...O&orup=8_15_19
This is a pretty good buy for a US buyer looking for a model with some nice options and more somewhat unique color for C4S. $39k can = $29k usd(current exchange rate) for a lower mileage(77k miles) C4S.
I just did the KBB on our 01 C4 coupe the other week and was shocked to see they say it would be 26 if the paint and wheels were in good shape. Other that the lack of Aerokit and the interior and exterior colors (well, we deleted the sunroof too) our's is specd like a ME.
So $10k difference? For only 30-40k more on the clock?
I can see the milage being a detractor, but I would expect the limited edition to at least wash that out.
Dunno, like I said, just seems low to me, but then I've been complaining the last month or so about seemingly overpriced specimens...
I've never been overly satisfied with the "accuracy" of services like KBB in pricing a car - e.g., Edmunds puts the retail for an "average" condition 2000 ME car with 100K miles at about $12.2 and for "clean" condition at $15.6.
http://cleveland.craigslist.org/cto/5489501685.html
When the body has been bent up(presumed from rebuilt title) you can make anything out of it you want, then wrap it in vinyl.
Works for me.
not
The ME is nice edition and that is a nice price. The days are numbered for deals like that unless there is something really wrong with it of course. Keep your 996s.
Suspiciously there was a guy selling a 99 in Royal Oak a month or two back that had pulled the engine pulled, saying it was a "lifter problem" and an "easy fix". I'm guessing this is that same engine.
The upgrade list mentions the dtent fix for 2nd gear pop out. If he (like most/all?) waited until it exhibited the pop out before applying the fix then I'd say there is a decent chance of needing to rebuild the transmission. Depending on when he did it, how much you'd drive it, and how long you keep it you might be able to go your entire ownership without having to pay that particular bill.
Not sure why we (NA crowd) seem to collectively think that the dtent is a final solution while the TT guys understand that it's just a stop gap and the synchro is going to have to be replaced. At what a transmission rebuild costs them I'd expect them to be far more willing to stick their heads in the sand...
The detent-fix was done as a precautionary measure - same as the IMS upgrade.
Upon taking delivery of the car in late 2013 it was obvious that the clutch was shot, so that triggered several other "take-care-of" items while I had the car up in the air and the tranny off.
So your car then?
That's cool. That should indeed keep the synchro from getting chewed up then or at the very least postpone it much longer than the post pop out replacement.
3 more available. Seems like spring is here and they are coming out of the woodwork.
http://cleveland.craigslist.org/cto/5441896410.html
http://cleveland.craigslist.org/cto/5498725026.html
http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/ctd/5501038653.html
As long as you don't mind us buzzards pickin it apart
Actually it looks good other than the driver seat. What's up with the bubble? The wear on it also looks more than 38k miles worth.
The picture makes that seat look allot worse than it is. I think sitting in seat right before taking the pic and the combination of the sun, my wallet in my rear pocket, my 255lb 6'4 frame and not waiting for the foam to reform may give you the illusion of an issue that doesn't exist. Whoever is interested in the car can thoroughly examine the seat and that should quickly eliminate the concern. The mileage is legitimate with a car fax to back it up. No stories with this car, the next owner will be very happy.
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...511014645.html
Seems kind of a dick with his "no test drives" comment and he has no idea what "full leather" actually is (horseshoe and center console parts aren't leather for starters).
If anyone is interested I can do a Rennfax on it for you (and will show him real full leather
).
I think it has to be said up front. I got a ton of local guys want to come over and test drive my Ferrari when I was selling. I told them I would take them for a ride around the area, and they could get a feel for how it rode, sounded and looked, but unless we are talking real money exchange, and they have some kind of serious deposit(like a few thou to cover my deductible) there was no way anyone was driving.
http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/ctd/5517154825.html
Nice Color
http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/ctd/5516571937.html
Lying scum bag dealer. Run don't walk from this car.
http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/cto/5501786177.html
I get that you are going to have tire kickers that just waste your time, but that's part of selling the car yourself rather than selling it to a dealer or having someone sell it for you.
To me I read that as "I'm not really serious about selling it and will not accept reality when faced with it". It also suggests, to me, that things might not be as represented as well.
Yeah, but that's a common trait among pretty much all DC area Porsche owners.
EDIT: Just realized that he's buying a 996TT. "From now on, your Delta Tau Chi name is "D!ck, Jr." "Why D!ck, Jr.?" "WHY THE HELL NOT!"
Animal House Fraternity Pledges Delta and Omega - YouTube
Yeah really annoying. I'm calling Jake to complain.
Plus I'm going to ask Jake to punch him for naming his car and then using that name prominently in the ad. That's not creepy at all.
Disagree. I will show 'tire kickers' anything they want. I love to hear myself talk, and BS. But - tire kicker =/= test drive. What put me over the edge were a couple with 3 kids driving up in a pig of a 84 Buick or something wanting to 'buy' my Ferrari. But, DeWayne had to drive it first. I bid them have a nice day.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=152040041189
Best sorted 996 I have found. He send me copies of the reciepts and all the work done. The IMS cost was $800 - not sure if LM or not but they changed everything - IMS, RMS, AOS, plugs, clutch, etc
It is close to perfect for me but no heated seats and no litronics
and has option 220 - the LSD - not sure if that was standard or not - my other 996 was a carrera 4 with PSM.
Rockhouse bought a car from them from SC last year. I went and scoped it out for him and he had them take it to Steinel's for a PPI. I think it worked out OK for him, but the salesman I talked to there was clueless. They did have a guy there who seemed to know a little more about 996's.
Is it the colors and features you want? Minus the heat seats and litronics.
220 was an option on the 99, not standard. Check for 222, and 224 also. Maybe even sport suspension, I think is 474?
I changed my own gear oil and used:
Liqui Moly Differential Oil; Fully Synthetic; 75W-90 GL-5
I remember reading LSD and non-LSD use different oils. Am I OK using this one? I chose this one because I thought mine was non-LSD. Is it ok since mine dose have the LSD?
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/5523342244.html
Seeing a lot of Aeros recently. For some reason, it looks a bit odd in Ocean Blue. I think I like the aeros more in the "typical" GT3 colours - red, yellow, silver, white.
Bad wouldn't be the way I would describe it. Not my style would be more accurate.
[That's Turbo Twists in general, not specific to Aero Kit cars].
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/5525217971.html
Could be interesting for someone who doesn't mind high mileage or a salvage title...
Hurricane Sandy flood vehicle. It's parts now, but kudos to the seller for being very forthcoming. Most Sandy flood cars have been sold as new with no title affect. Very sad. If a carfax shows registration in NY, NJ, or a couple other states nearby in 2012 be afraid. Be very afraid.
And it looks like he made the effort to fix it up right too unlike most of the vehicles that try to hide their oceanic adventure.
Now if only he had ever followed BAT to know what to expect or to have at least gone commando for awhile to avoid the knots in his knickers...
The posters on BAT are a bunch of wolves and trolls, but he is just feeding them...
With the kind of prices that BaT has been getting lately for Porsches, I'd put up with all the crap from the wolves over there. There have been some really strong sale prices in the past couple of months.
The CarFax points to the Summer of 2013 and the location (based upon services performed previous to that) appears to be western PA (Sewickley). That would point to summer rain storms in the upper reaches of the Ohio River.
It was then registered in NJ 2+ years later, indicating that a lot of time (and likely work) was done on it.
The pages of the CarFax are way down at the bottom of the pictures along with photos of receipts for the parts and work on the electrics farmed out.
This.
Dunno, anytime salt water and sand are involved coupled that to a car that has high parts prices/labor, it seems like a big risk personally for very minimal gain in the end.
I guess you can say "If you say so," but i'm just reading the CarFax and doing a Google search for that PA town and Summer 2013 flooding. Ask Attorney if that's reasonably strong evidence about it not being Hurricane Sandy (which, IIRC, was just before the 2012 Presidential election (ask NJ Gov. Christie!)).
I'm not a partisan on this car, but just trying to present some balancing evidence/information/facts.
BAT runs auctions directly, so yes, they are listed as final bid prices and wether or not it met the reserve. I don't think they have a significant problem with deals not closing after auction as the bidders must pony up a significant deposit (via credit card) to bid.
In addition to there auctions, BAT has pointers to cars listed elsewhere.... Those aren't the prices we are referring to.
That's strong money for a '99 aero coupe: $28,950. Looks like a very nice one. 51k miles. Has aero front bumper, rocker panels and GT spats, but I'm not sure if that wing is factory.
For those that didn't see KCAttorney's pictures, this one is actually in South Dakota so not really Minneapolis. Given the miles and year, I don't think this is worth the $28K. Dealer price though, but I wouldn't imagine this would go for more than $25K, and I'm thinking more than likely in the $21-23.5K range (but that is my opinion).Bummed it isn't in Minneapolis as I would have stopped by to take a look.
I do feel like values on these cars fluctuate wildly depending on condition, mileage, and maintenance. To the right person, it could be worth closer to it, and certainly there are those who will walk in off the street and see what looks like a good priceon a 911, and drive off in it without doing their research.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/ctd/5509656640.html
Looks like a well-sorted, low mileage car, might be priced a little on the high side but not by much.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/5531566533.html
And an Aerokit C4, maybe with a few too many mods, but I have a soft spot for Lapis Blue.
I don't know, that walmart cupholder, and the CF intake with black douche wheels kind of ruin a nice package. I guess all that stuff can come off, and be sold here.
Very nice price!
The cup holder is easy and cheap to get rid of. The tail lights, wheels, and intake will run you a fair penny which you might get some back by reselling them.
I'm going to be in SFO next week and am tempted to reach out and see if I can have a look. For probably $23k at the asking price and after demoding it (figuring something back for the wheels and tail lights), I'm not sure it's worth it. Especially with having to ship it back home.
If it was a local car the price would be more appealing though.
Yes, cupholder delete is a must and will take all of 10 seconds and cost $0.
The douche wheels look good to me, although I'd probably sell them and put on a set of 18" wheels and probably go to silver.
I'd likely leave the intake, unless it was tripping CEL. My '99 C4 aero had a similar intake but came with the stock unit boxed up in the frunk. I put the stock unit back on right off the bat, but I think it actually sounded better with the aftermarket intake.
As for the LED tail lights, once you have them on your car, you won't want to go back to the dingy stock units. I have them on the 996tt, and although I don't think the stockers look bad, the LED tail lights just make the car look so much more updated. Frankly, I would still have the stock tail lights on my 996tt except it came with blacked out tail lights that I really didn't like. I decided to try the LED units and once I put them on, I absolutely cannot fathom going back to the stock tail lights: it's Claire Dunphy vs. Gloria Pritchett.
I was considering buying this car - it's in the town where I live, and I test drove it a couple weeks ago - The original ad didn't have a lot of details, so to help the 996 community, I decoded the VIN, drafted a new ad and sent it to the seller.
If anyone is interested, PM me for Rennfax info.
By the way - I ended up buying a different 2001 996 - a Seal Gray C2 cab that was on Craigslist in Menlo Park.
Even the int names inspire spending: Can-can red, or Lipstick red. I just sold a 928 with Can-can red int. It was Venetian blue ext, and navy carpets. What a combo.
I wanna say this car was on ebay a few months ago and originally for sale in FL. It may appear a guy that doesn't really know how expensive Porsche parts/repair can be might've chewed off more than he can chew.
Dunno but here is the original listing from FL. Figured he spent $1k tops on delivery yet he wants to make $3k on top of that considering the original sales price was $7500.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Porsche...p2047675.l2557
'03 4S - 84k
$25.8k
I went to go look at it. Interior looked good. Exterior looked fair to good. I was tempted, but I'm happy enough with my '01 aero.
http://www.apfairfax.com/details/2003-Porsche-911-Fairfax-VA/11327141?cid=5
That's a good looking car, though yeah silver on light grey is not a super inspired colour combination. I think it's a couple of thousand more than I'd want to pay, but probably close to where C4S prices are trending now.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/5545857538.html
This has to be one of the most highly optioned 996 C2s I've come across, lots of big ticket items (PTS blue, metropol full leather, X51, and most importantly, the rear wiper!). Anyone seen one with a new MSRP higher than $98,640?
$35k for a '99?!
RRTEC - You should go take a test drive just for the hell of it. That is, assuming you can get an appointment with all those other people that must be standing in line to buy it.
Hmmm.. It has PCCB. My guess is he A) found out it needs a brake job and B) what those bastards cost!
What's with the front spoiler being multi colored?
I'm not sure I even want to know how much those cost. I can imagine it approaching five figures for a brake job.
Exhaust tips also look to be a bit crooked, now that I look at it again.
Follow at your own risk, but it's not so much "approaching" as trying to find it in your rear view mirror...
Front:
http://www.suncoastparts.com/product...735103100.html
Rear:
http://www.suncoastparts.com/product...735203201.html
They are supposed to be good for 80k or so if I remember correctly. This car is about 70k...
Do they get saggy on the TT like they do with the M96 when new motor mounts are needed?
Ahh. Then WTF does he advertise PCCB for?
OK, I see how I missed it. He says it has PCCB in the first line. Then later he says it has PCCB, but follows that with it not really having PCCB anymore
The second sentence negates the first...
If he took off the rotors before they got too pitted you are good to go. It's easy to do and preserves the resale. They are capable of 150k+ if you treat them right and always change the pads at around 50% wear.
Ouch. You could buy another clean 996 for that money. There is a 2 year, unlimited mileage warranty on them though. Wonder if you can get enough track use in to get a second set for free in that time period.
Looks like it's wet in the picture? Seems like a pretty solid deal, almost suspiciously so... listed in charlotte craigslist, but is WAY up in roanoke, VA
That is a fair asking price for the car. The 04TT I was looking at before the C4S started out around this price point. It was a cab, X50, TipS. More miles. Got a sketchy PPI (~$10k worth of work) so I passed. The TT's are pricey to maintain. BTW, it looks like the front splitter in aftermarket.
Considering he's had it since 09 and hasn't driven it himself I think he'd have a coronary...
Seeing a story like that about a 996 makes me
Seeing a story like that about a car like that makes me
7ish years of just being cranked once a week. Such a shame. Guy should be flogged publicly for such abuse and then shot
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-Porsche...25.m3641.l6368
Early car with tip and some body mods. Decent price, but a PPI is required.
Red of course.
Four spoke -- of course.
The red 996.1 Tip seems priced a couple too high, too many things I'd want to revert to stock right off the bat. Is the 4-spoke wheel considered desirable?
That silver Turbo though, damn. Even in a boring colour, $39.9k for a clean, sub-40k mile 996TT is a great value.
I can deal with everything except the bore-me-to-tears paint color.
Like this: 'Everything works.. so bring your mechanic, your priest, your fortune teller I don't care. '
Looks like it needs engine mounts (not a big deal), based on the difference in the gaps between the left and right exhaust tips.
I'd want to know what the story is on that front bumper ... it's not original. Could have been a front end collision, or maybe just a cosmetic replacement. Either way I'd also take a close look at the panel gap and paint match.
I like cabs, but the tip would be a non starter for me (probably the AWD also).
This is rare.... brand new t equipment porsche stainless steel rollbar for 996 and 997 cab or coupe....... tag a friend who looking for rollbar, super duper rare ...!!
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...596103767.html
Let me guess, this just happens to be your "friends" roll bar? Rare usually describes a warm red center or something that you can't simply order off of the Internet.
It's at a import performance shop close to where I live. They are Honda specialist but the owner has a modded 997. I'm contemplating buying one or not. Price is steep but they are rare. I tried to order from paramount porsche, and all my local dealers and was told they are not avail to ship to the US.
I called porsche Germany and they said they only have a hand full left. So I think that's pretty rare to me.
I wanted to see one opened the the owner of the shop didn't want to unwrapped the padding and just opened 1 sleeve for me too see. The stainless steel is beautiful. Will never rust and no need to paint. I just can't justify spending 10%of what my car is worth on a bar. The autopower is 1/3 of the price but too heavy and not bolt on. You have to drill into the floorboard and frame.
Shameless plug for my 99' Cab.
http://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/5587495821.html
Give me some critiquing before I stick it on ebay and autotrader please.
Thanks.
-Mag
One thing that jumps out at me is the shot of the inside of the passenger door. On the upper rear corner of the airbag panel, on the armrest, and on the grab handle there are some spots that appear to be blemishes. My guess is that they aren't and if so you should clean it up and retake the pic. If they are blemishes, call them out in the text of the ad appropriately.
The other thing about that pic is that it doesn't have a sibling for the other side. Why one side and not another?
Some well lit close ups of the front end to show its current state (e.g. rock chips) and shot of the engine bay could be good too.
The bit about the IMSB is tricky too. I get what you are trying to convey, but "so you don't have to worry" could be taken by someone knowledgable that you are trying to pull one over on a less educated person. I'd just leave it as something along the lines of "the IMSB is still the factory dual row bearing". No matter what some will see that as good and others will see it as bad. You'll just have to decide your position when they start trying to negotiate on that point.
Looks like a nice car though and I think the price is about right for this time of year.
Thank you gnat... I changed up a couple of things in the ad.
I have a ton of pictures but craigslist only allows 24 so I tried to mix them up a bit. I used to be able to link photobucket on there with html coding to list unlimited pictures but it wasn't letting me do it this time.
Might be a tad high, but for a metro blue interior with aero and desirable suspension I don't think too much. Maybe $25k is right.
I really don't like those wheels though.
http://www.porscheoftysons.com/detai...-15082915.html
Seems like a decent price for someone that isn't afraid of some miles. Interior wear looks about as expected in the pics. Surprised that a Porsche dealer can't be bothered to replace the headlight washer caps that appear to be missing...
I will say, however, that this dealer likes to price things high so that it is as low as it is could suggest that there is more to the story. If it was anything too bad though I'd expect them to have pushed it off elsewhere.
If you are seriously interested in it, it's local and I can go lay eyes on it for you and plug up my Durametric to it if needed.
Yeah we were agreed on $21k but the PPI came back with a couple oil leaks so I took a grand off. I probably could have gotten more... I have had some interest in the car... but I'd rather just sell it and move on.
Hey, there are only two voices that matter on the price. The one making the offer and the one accepting it. As long as you are good with the price, then it's a good price
The rest of us are just a bunch of ninnies making it up as we go
Some GT3 type seats, $1K in downtown Chicago:
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http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/pts/5608468458.html
Seems a little pricey for knockoffs, depending on their quality, but contacting them for more information. If there is no safety rating information on them I'm not sure you know what you are getting.
Thanks for posting it.
Those floor mats are something, that's for sure. Even for being possibly the least desirable combination of cab and tip, that's a steal at the price if a PPI checks out.
It's a roller with a blown engine. Can't believe a Porsche dealer would have that in their inventory. Somebody bought it. I was ready to buy it at that price for a DD so as not to put 25k miles/year on my Spyder. I love the 996.
Thank you Mark. Appreciate the info. I was going to send a deposit on Friday. Of course, the car won't check out but this is a bad way for them to do business.
This guy had is his '03 C4S for 6 weeks and said he sold it for 41k. That one just puzzled me. The '08 above was an example why.
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...n-a-996-a.html
Seems a bit high to me. The ME doesn't seem to get the bump of other limited edition models. I think it's the paint and wheels that put many people off. The paint seems to be very divisive with no "I could live with it I guess" in the mix. Those of us that like the glossy twists are also in the minority and unlike a normal model changing the wheels takes it away from the special edition configuration.
I'd consider the ME the bargain of the century around the $23k mark in top condition. No, it's not a one-off, or super perf edition but it is limited to 911 copies, and someday that will have an effect on price.
Only other color I like better than guards red is Orient red. And an aero too! I might have to grab that up.
I agree that they should be worth more than they are. It boggles my mind that they go as cheaply as they do (though I could say that for all 996s!) and as such I think they are one of the best deals for a 996 right now.
Given the current general 996 market I really think they should be 28-32k cars due to being highly optioned, a C4, and limited edition. The market just seems to disagree
I think the paint is great and really unique, but the wheels are painful. If I got an ME, first thing I'd do is replace them and put the originals into storage.
But I live in the city, so door dings happen too f*cking often for me to have a car that I care about the paint on.
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/m...594692537.html
Pretty clean looking for the miles if you ignore the supplementary badging, and it comes with normal wheels as well.
Dunno, I would think that would be an instant Carmax buyout price but maybe he already tried and got a lower offer from them?
Either that or maybe Carmax got smart and has a "do not buy" list which includes the NA 996 now.
Nice car with a nice price if it checks out.
Speed Yellow C4
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-cars-sale/917320-fs-1999-911-c4-coupe-only-44k-miles-ims-done-speed-yellow.html#post9151775
http://www.ebay.com/itm/112021428787
This one is super rare. I've never seen a C4S with X50 AND the additional intercooler upgrade. Additional insinuates it had at least one to start with. I wonder how many intercoolers this one has now? 2? 3?
Vehicle claims to be in CA, but has FL plates. Super sketchy description. No reserve. Yep, everything sounds legit
Have you looked at registration in CA vs FL? If you had the option to keep your FL registration and plates I bet you would too
Going the other way never made since to me, but my boss kept his CA tags on his M3 here in VA for over a year until he just moved back to CA.
So it does happen and can be legit, but yes I would look at it as a warning sign when other flags are waiving too.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...3D112021428787
Not bad looking. Spare tire is missing, the seats look horrible, and there appears to be a nasty scratch on the headlight (mentioned in the details). That scratch looks too deep to polish out which probably means serious $$$ for a new housing
Well optioned, though I'm not a fan of the carbon bits.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto/5615146464.html
[2004 C2, Coupe, 6MT, Lapis Blue/Gray, 2-owner, 119k, $19.9 asking]
This looks interesting, if the mileage doesn't scare anyone off. Might be a bit highly priced, but it doesn't seem all that common to find 996.2s in decent shape for sub-20k these days.
A Shareless Plug.
Sorry guys, but much as I've enjoyed the somewhat "sterile" yet wonderful attributes of this fantastic 2003 996 C4S, I've retrogressed to an 85 Carrera Cab (just gotta have an air cooled drop-top). So this incredible car is available.
http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/5618895214.html
GLWS looks like a great car.
How long are you willing to sit on it? As disgusting as the idea is, I think you are 3-5k high on the price
I think your car is worth it, but I expect it will sit at that price until the perfect match comes along. You could get lucky and it happens soon, but it could also take awhile.
I do wish you luck though and hope I'm wrong
As I said, I agree the price is good for what you are getting. Just don't think the market will see it that way and he'll have to wait for someone like you or I that is looking to buy and likes it (not a fan of the yellow myself so I'd be out even if I were looking) comes along.
Of course $35k for his looks like a bargain against that Cab for $40k
Sure the 4S Cabs are rare, but it has zero upgrades and few details compared to Curt's car.
Have to say it was fun to look, but rear impact damage and some questionable panel gaps on the front bumper have me leaning away. For the more mechanically inclined, this could be fun race car conversion/modder. Looks like it was barely driven after the accident, so not a proven driver either. If price comes down slightly, it could be a steal of a deal.
New Rennlister and I hope this isn't out of line... Just bought a 2002 996 C4 cab and selling my 99 Boxster for the fair price of $8K, including 18" Sport Classic II wheels. Here's the link:
http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/5579245767.html
Cheers,
Brad
Nice car at a very fair price. Almost makes me want to.... Wait, never mind. GLWS.
It's probably worth joining Rennlist and posting on vehicle marketplace. It shouldn't last more than a week or two.
Oh go on Slakk! It can be your AutoX car
Sad to see such a decent looking example for that price. Boggles the mind that you can get a nice Porsche for under $10k.
Even if it is a Boxster
As the owner of this car, I can tell you that the rear impact only effected the rear quarter panel, well over a foot away from the engine and transmission. There was no work done on the front bumper, so unsure why there would be an issue there. Also regarding the "seats look horrible" comment, I agree they are a bit worn but "horrible", really? They are in better shape than the last 5 968's I have looked at. It's great how people pick apart a car that is 10k less than a clear title one would sell for. It still looks better and drives better than 90% of sports cars on the road, looks better than 90% of all 911s and sounds better than 95% of all cars. As stated in the ad I recently took it on a 5 hour + trip and it worked flawlessly.
You would have closer to 30k replicating this car with it's low miles and its wheels/etc. Anyone who thinks this car is worth less than 1/2 that are the same people that believe every 996 will blow up from IMS issues. Uninformed, worried, and looking to lowball anyone that doesn't have a 996 that is in BETTER shape than new.
Im sorry you feel slighted, but they (especially the driver side) are indeed in terrible condition. They have dried out, cracked, and the color has flaked off where there is cracking. Or at least that's how it appears in your pics.
We have a 01 with a black interior that has spent its entire life outside with no treatment and no protection, yet with more miles (e.g. more getting in and out of it most likely) our seats are in near flawless condition. Not sure what your seats have seen through their life, but it ain't been good.
You car definitely seems to have some nice features, but it definitely has some items that are red flags. The whole purpose of this thread is to bring interesting cars to light for those that are looking as well point out the things that those of us with experience see that should be investigated further.
And just because you think it's a $30k car doesn't make it so (and you know it given what you priced it at) as no one is going to pay that for a 99 right now and it has nothing to do with buying into IMSB hysteria.
GLWS though.
Does your car have sport seats? Because I have seen cars with 25k miles on them with sports seats that have side bolster wear.
And to repeat my original statement, I said it would be a 30k car to replicate. MK1 aeros with low miles are worth 23-25kish (one sold on ebay for 30k a few months ago that was red with 40k miles). Then factor in the rare options and the addition of wheels and modifications, and you are at 30k.
It may help if you have pics from the accident or prior to repair to show prospective buyers to put them at ease if it was a minor accident.
As for the seats, I don't see anything out of the ordinary. They seem like worn seats out of a car for that mileage. If future owner was nitpicky, they can always restore them to like new with a $150 Leatherique rejuvination kit. Maybe offer them a credit towards this? Also it being a '99, the durability of the material may not be the same as the mk2 versions. Leather is also gonna wear differently depending on environment and just how much of a fat f%#$ you are. My $.02
I followed up with the listing as I was mildly interested, but the guy wasn't very response/helpful. He actually doesn't have pictures of the damaged vehicles as he said in the listing, and wouldn't take any more pictures of it (sounded like he might not have the vehicle near him right now).
Plus he was kind of rude and condescending. Which might make sense since his eBay tag is Camaro
-Longtimelurker-
You asked for pictures of the car "pre-damaged" which means "before it was damaged". As stated in the listing I bought the car damaged so I do not have pictures "before it was damaged". I did say I do have a picture of it before it was fixed, if that was what you were wanting, to you in an ebay message. Also, your other questions were either answered in the listing already or common sense, which isn't surprising since you are totally ignoring my two posts in this thread. (He asked if the car had rust because it was in NJ / NY from 1999 to 2000). Also, nice rude/condesending comment yourself about the "Camaro" name. I have owned 10 Porsches.
-Alpine-
I agree with your take on the seats. They are normal wear for the age of car.
I think at 15k the '99 silver aero would be a pretty good deal if the frame is straight and the engine in good shape. IMO a salvage '99 is worth 12k and the aero worth 3-4k. The seats don't bother me but no service records is very scary. The LSD is intended for street use only but can be rebuilt for track use. And I love NOT having PSM to worry about on mine. Though it probably has value for some.
This is the same picture I have sent to ebay members asking for a pic of the car before it was fixed. I am being 100% forthright about the history of the car, since there is nothing to hide.
Maybe it's the angle/lighting and better/different pics would help, but they look worn far more than the milage would suggest to me.
I agree that fixing them up should be relatively simple/cheap as it doesn't look like an serious damage (e.g. rips). He's not trying to sell it as a roller though, so why not go ahead and take care of it to make it show the best it possibly can.
Right or wrong, having a documented accident is going to make people leery so doing other things to make the car show well is going to only help it's case in my opinion.
There was no frame damage, the car drives straight and handles well. The car runs great and could be driven on a 1000 mile trip home. The only negative part of no service records is no knowledge of IMS bearing being replaced. But with checking the filter at oil change (and finding no metal whatsoever) and the fact that 99s have a dual row IMS, I was able to sleep fine at night.
Or the RMS, or the Clutch, or the AOS, or the Water pump, or the type of oil that's been used in it, or the oil change intervals. One would need to budget $4-5k just to ensure getting everything up to date if they planned on putting more miles on it than you have. Checking the filter is always a good idea but dropping the pan and getting a UOA will tell you a whole lot more.
Except this car has none of those issues. No oil leaks, clutch works fine, no AOS issue, no coolant leaks, no overheating, etc. Besides the fact that all those items would be less than $1500 in parts if you did the work yourself, but paying 4-5k because a car "might" have an issue with one of these items "sometime in the future" is your prerogative. Also all the items listed have "symptoms" before they actually completely fail.
Actually looking at a different pic in the copart link, the seat does look a bit too worn for the mileage. The seats might've been swapped in by some prevous owner maybe from a higher mileage car. Hard to say unless you look at the option sticker under the hood if it's original to the car. Still I don't think it's a deal breaker as it can easily be refurbished IMO.
Boy, tough crowd here. As for frame damage, you might wanna show at least a print out of the alignment if you have one to show that everything lines up to spec.
The Porsche crowd can be a very tough crowd to sell to, especially the 996 as you're finding out.
GLWS
More like
1) Be completely honest and forthright about the history of the car.
2) Get rightfully annoyed at people
bad mouthing the car with no first hand knowledge of it and never seeing it in person.
3) ???
4) Keep car if it doesn't sell and put an LS in it just to **** off the purists.
Thanks for the expert compliment. Not sure of any correlation between knowledge and not selling a car, though. And the 30k comment makes no sense whatsoever.
No one has implied you haven't been honest about it's history or lack thereof.
What some of us are taking issue with you on is your attitude about it all as shown in your second bullet.
We do know these cars and the purpose of this thread is for us to bring to light interesting cars for people that are in the market but to also make note of things that someone inexperienced with the 996 might overlook while blinded by the idea of a $15k 911.
We have also helped sellers out with our reviews by giving them feed back from a buyer's perspective which has allowed them to tweak and improve their ads for better effect.
Rather than take advantage of our knowledge and experience, however, you decided to get bent out of shape and throw a tantrum about how we aren't being nice to your car.
Also not sure why you think an LS swap is some kind of insult around here. There really isn't any such thing as a 996 "purist" and the LS swap has been done a few times (documented) already. In fact it is often a suggested option when someone blows their M96 and is looking into their options to move forward.
Didn't know this one was going towards so much excitement! I will admit my mistake, mis-worded my question as I wanted the photos of the damage and can't English apparently. I still think the rust question is fair, given a lot of places do shoddy repair/hide things during a salvage repair and that Iowa isn't exactly an entirely temperate dry state, but most buyers wouldn't ask that. I asked for the additional photo of the rear exhaust from a lower angle because I wanted to see the alignment of the exhaust tips, which can be a good indicator of collision impact/repair if the exhaust is cockeyed.
GLWS, $15K was too high for me but if it comes down a bit we're getting closer to what I think is reasonable.
Not sure what you are expecting to get for less than $15k in a 996. Anything that low is going to have various issues that will need to be sorted out and probably be in the 3-10k range.
Unless you are going to DIY it all and want to get stuck in and really learn the car, spending the money up front for a better example will make for a better experience.
There are things to look at closely on this car, but $15k is cheap for it. I'll be surprised if it can't pull $18k.
I personally think the value is in the 17k to 17.5k range, especially with it's options and add-ons. I put it up at 15k to entice buyers.
It is worth at least 15k to me and I will not be selling it for ANY less. Honestly I will be sad to see it go since it is one of the nicest Porsches in the state and in person it looks like a exotic car with the Aero kit and the 19" wheels. It also sounds like an exotic due to the Fister D mufflers. It is the nicest car I have EVER seen at this price point, and that doesn't even factor in the low miles.
People expecting a perfect car for the price (compared to the 90k new in 1999) have unreasonable expectations.
The car could be so many things: a daily driver, a weekend car, a track car, or an autocross car. It's a 4th car for me, and as such, doesn't get driven enough, which is why I put it up for sale.
Yeah at $15k it is tempting to consider as 4th car and 2nd 996 to turn into a track car. Space and time are my issues though so what this car
should
sell for (17-18k) take it out of the "I know I shouldn't, but ..." category of interest for me.
Symptom of intermix? And yes, it less expensive to do it yourself but unless you are a certified IMS installer you could potentially do more damage then good.
Cutting open the filter is a good diagnostic tool but it is not proof that the engine is healthy. Especially if you've owned it what, less than 1000 miles?
Here's the bottom line, if you want to advertise your car for sale, join Rennlist and advertise it in the classifieds. If you want to be challenged on seemingly inaccurate claims, post it in the 996 technical forum. Good luck.
If there is no present coolant leak or oil leak, how is there a problem with a car?
Maybe you should replace the engine, transmission, etc with new when a used car is purchased, since at some point in the future there might be an issue with one of them.
+1. The rear fenders are stout - a mighty whack was required to wreck that fender to that extent and break/bend the wheel (an assumption, since the donut is being used). An alignment sheet if available would go a long way to assuage the concerns of the **** Porsche buyer.
A symptom of intermix? Is this a joke? You mean BESIDES the milkshake? I would like to know how a person who has never seen, heard, or ran/drove the car can tell another person the car does NOT have a healthy engine. Especially more-so than a person who has owned it for over 2 years and the prior owner owned it for 13 years.
Name one "inaccurate claim" of mine. I believe the issue is "inaccurate claims" of others and an owner actually trying to get the truth out about a car instead of a one-sided conversation made from people who would have never bought the car in the first place.
Don't take it personally - focus on gathering as much info as possible and getting some interested buyers (in the correct sub-forum). The more time you spend in the 996 forum arguing the more frustration you'll go through.
It may end up that a few test drives and a thorough PPI will be the ticket to a clean sale.
GLWS
Ok, my apologies, I missed that. But I do disagree with his claim that no service history on a 17 year old car is not an issue. I also disagree with his statement that there is no reason to perform any of the recommended preventative maintenance that keeps the engine from going boom because you can tell in advance. I have personal experience going both routes and one seems to work a helluva a lot better than the other.
I also disagree that none of us are potential buyers. I would buy it in a heartbeat, swap the aero on to mine, and resell it for 13k if I thought my wife wouldn't find out(yes, I'm a *****) and that I knew I wasn't screwing the next buyer with it. I would at a minimum swap out the AOS before I did though.
I bought my '99 without a single page of maintenance history. Some people can't imagine not having a maintenance history; some of us think you can determine how a car was maintained with or without a 4" thick 3-ring binder. Example: The meticulously maintained C4S that another forum member sold with REAMS of service history - but he neglected to mention that one of those procedures was carried out using a non-standard part that subsequently boned the buyer.
The service history is often a lot like the contents of Hillary's email server - the "unimportant/personal" stuff may have been removed. You think you're getting the full picture, but you may in fact be getting a heavily edited history.
I agree that this reasoning isn't great, but on the other hand, getting a completely stock, unmolested car also proves that the car has been reliable and that nothing has failed and been fixed under the guise of PM.
Not going there.
What inaccurate claims have been made? We have commented on the state of the car based on the information that you have provided either here or in the ad.
You are correct that looking at pictures and text is not going to give you the truest information about the car, but those are the hooks to get people's attention to look farther.
All the items that have been commented on are things your potential buyers are also going to think. For you to just blow off the concerns and questions as "inaccurate" is only shooting yourself in the foot if you really want to sell the car.
We also aren't new to the 996 world and know all of it's foibles. We also know well that many of the catastrophic failures happen with no warning what so ever. So saying that it's perfectly healthy when you haven't had it that long, haven't driven it that much, and have no history doesn't mean much.
Service history is key to know how the car has been treated and taken care of, especially a low milage car which have a loose correlation to some of these problems. Without the history people have to guess and given the cost of a M96, that's a hefty gamble so they are going to be concerned and question things.
Is that yours? That thing is amazing looking.
The '99 aero: The bottom line is at $15k, it is a good deal pending a proper PPI. I would buy that car. I would spend $800 to replace the AOS, water pump and add a spin on adapter and IMS guardian. I would be aware that at some point, the clutch, FW, IMS or RMS may need attention and it's probably best to do all of them at that time (unless FW doesn't need it.)
But everything gnat just said I spot on. Your risk is increased significantly on a purchase like this.
Yeap and an excellent example. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a car without the history (hell when/if we ever sell our we will
not
be passing it's history on. they can look at it, but it does not go with the car), but being able to see the history gives you another piece of the puzzle to answer questions that could be raised.
You and I are in the same camp of preferring an unmolested car (IMSB), but without any history you don't know if it is unmolested or not (though as you point out it's also possible to have been molested and just not in the docs).
Well it certainly explains why he is attracted to a certain type of "lady"
I wasn't being sarcastic
OK, I was about Slakk buying it, but not about it being an awesome AutoX car.
Believe it or not, there ARE some people that do buy cars without service histories. This happens more often though at a dealership.
As for PM, I believe he is in the Riad camp and that other guy that has 300k miles on his car.
Hey hey hey! Technically you can go all the way to 2nd base with a tranny without being gay, as long as you didn't know. All I did was look. Now if you round 3rd and still head for home that's an entirely different matter.
Many years ago, when I was young and poor, I bought an old Peugeot turbo diesel from a dealer, sight unseen and with no history, because the price was too good to pass up. Got it home and found the service history in the trunk, full of dealer stamps. Loved that car.
How much does the aero kit add to the price of a 996? I know it was a $$$$ option when new.
Another question is if you had two identical cars and one had no service history and one had full service history with recent IMS, RMS, Clutch and AOS, which one would you buy? Or more importantly, how much more would you pay? I'd put that at $2-3k in value.
Besides your comment about the seats being in "terrible" and "horrible" condition, the whole pseudo logic that the car is not reliable and needs AOS, water pump, etc done to the car.
IF an AOS needs replaced it would smoke at certain times and there would be no suction when the oil cap was removed (which there is suction) and if there are no leaks from the water pump nor if the car does not run above normal temps, I fail to see that the water pump is failing.
The only item I know of to cause catastrophic damage with little warning is the IMS, but even with that you can look for metal in oil and do an oil analysis.
Just because I did not buy it from a private owner and was unable to get receipts from the last owner of 13 years prior, does not mean a car is in bad condition mechanically.
In response to the "full history question", you stated it would be 4-5k for a shop to do those items, but only makes the car worth 2-3k more. Same logic as buying an extended warranty. It's an EXTRA cost and does not come standard with most used vehicles.
It is not like most people here are "uninformed", it's more like they are "partially informed" or "misinformed".
If the car with the PM items included descriptions (or photos) of the items that were replaced, I'd go with that car.
If a car has recently had a s**t-ton of work done - especially before being listed for sale, I find myself wondering why. Maybe I'm too suspicious, but I know that most of us HATE selling cars we've just plowed money into, so when I see someone plow $8K of work into a $20K car and list it for $22K, I can't help but wonder what lake it was recently retrieved from.
Nope. Completely incorrect. If there is some suction, it's working as expected. If it has too much suction, the AOS is shot.
You're welcome to talk crap about how uninformed RL members are, but maybe not in the same comment where you make it evident you don't know what you're talking about.
Replacing your AOS and water pump every 50k miles or 3 years and replacing your IMS every 75k or 5 years comes from the most reputable M96 builder in the country.
AOS is the worst because only a few ml of water can kill the engine. Water pump impellers can deteriorate and send small plastic pieces through your engine. It's well documented what happens if you IMS completely fails between oil changes. If it's a $5k rebuild, then I agree, it's not worth the trouble. But at 3-5x that amount.
If you understand the risk involved and choose not to do the preventative maintenance then I can respect that. But you seem to know enough to sound very knowledgable to potential buyers and will come across as an "expert" even though what you are saying directly contradicts what the "experts" have stated.
Like I said, at 15k I would but your car. But mostly because I'm a sucker for aero kits. I would probably loose a couple of $k on resale due to salvage title but close enough.
Ok that horse is dead now. Sorry about that. I really do like horses.
AOS and water pump every 3 years? Wow, and I thought the 944/968 people that say replacing the timing belt every 3 years was insane.
The same company that sells an IMS product they called the "solution" wants you to replace that product every 5 years? I know Flat 6 has some fanbois on here, along with some haters, but their numbers, IMS especially sound like a repair shop that makes a killing by dictating when or how often you should replace something, even if it is working fine.
From what I have read, if the car dies when the cap is taken off, if there is no suction, or if the cap is too hard to take off (too much suction), the AOS is shot. If there is suction, yet the cap can be removed easily, AOS is fine.
Someone can buy the car and take it somewhere directly from where it is now and spend 5k on preventative items. That is their prerogative. Does it NEED that? I would argue NO.
You are again showing you don't know as much as you want us to believe you do.
Jake developed the LN bearing options, but he does not sell them except as part of rebuilding a motor. Even then it's not a choice, you get the solution. Period. He has no dog in the race anymore other than believing in what he developed enough to bet his business and reputation on it.
Secondly, the "solution" does not have a replacement interval. It's the ball bearing options are the ones that need to be replaced periodically. The Solution is an oil fed plain bearing. Different fish.
Yup. I've owned it for about 7-8 years now. The first 3 as a dual use street car, and since then a dedicated track car. It is amazing fun. Over 90k miles and probably the last 10k of those miles on track. During a recent transmission rebuild, I did the IMS upgrade, and the mechanic told me the original bearings were pristine.
Based on the option sticker (see below), the car came with standard leather seats (code#983). The Sport Seats option is P77 and so the previous owner must have swapped these seats and had the backs painted Artic Silver. From what I've seen in my search, when the painted back Sport Seats are installed at the factory, the middle console is usually painted to match and in this case, is does not because the console is obviously a darker gray metallic. (see second pic below)
That was the pic I noticed the wear on. I didn't really notice it on the other pics.
As for work, I work fast and have to wait for others to catch up and give me things so I'm on here in between.
What about you?
I'm the "multitask master" my friend! I'll have 10-15 things going on at the same time which may explain why my spelling and grammar are not up to 5CHN3LL's standards. ha!
Wow you 996 guys are dense. No one even reads the listing. This is directly from the listing.
XAA - Aerokit
XRB - 18" SportClassic 2-peice wheels (No longer with car, car includes 19" Champion Wheels.)
XSA - Sports Seat Backrests Painted In Car Color (Silver)
X47 - Carbon Gear Lever ****
X54 - Stainless Steel Tailpipes
X58 - Carbon Handbrake Lever
X70 - Stainless Steel Door Entry Guards With Logo
X71 - Alu-Look Instrument Faces
X77 - Carbon Steeling Wheel
139 - Seat Heating, Left
220 - LSD Limited Slip Differential (RARE, option only available in 1999)
222 - Traction Control
224 - Automatic Limited Slip Differential (Traction Control)
234 - Tyre Code
340 - Seat Heating, Right
375 - 2-Way Electrical Sports Seat, Left
376 - 2-Way Electrical Sports Seat, Right
446 - Wheel Caps With Colored Porsche Crest (No longer with car)
490 - Sound System
571 - Activated Charcoal Filter
680 - DSP Digital Sound Processing
983 - Leather Front Seats
09981 - Exclusive Program Part Installation
09991 - Exclusive Program
P option codes aren't even listed on the tag. All the "patting yourselves on the back" when you are wrong, when the correct information was already provided is par for the course, at least in this sub-forum.
Pretty sure code 983 means the seat MATERIAL is leather, also.
Me? My work productivity has significantly declined since I rejoined the Porsche community. But profitability is up so I'm testing the theory that the less I work the better our company does.
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Called out on the truth so posts a low brow pic; the 996 forum users way.
Haters gonna hate. I guarantee my 996 looks better than yours. Hell, it probably looked better before it was fixed.
P.S. - From the original statement, it is clear from the context that I was talking about the looks of the car. But taking someone says and using it out of context is something out of the <strike>Fox News</strike> 996 forum user's playbook.
The best part is that not only do you not admit you were wrong (like an adult), but you snoop to adolescent levels in your responses.
There is a reason why this sub-forum has the poor reputation that it does within rennlist, and these past few pages of thread are a perfect example.
The whole reason 996s in general have a negative connotation is the OWNERS, and not the cars themselves.
Still no admittance to being wrong? When you SURE were fine with getting a reach around from the others before the truth was told?
996 Forum: The only place on rennlist where truth and facts are frowned upon and acting like a child is not only OK, but encouraged!
I think you have successfully demonstrated this. You didn't like it when people brought up possible issues with your car in a thread where we bring up possible issues with cars. You have since lashed out, insulted people, and even questioned the integrity of the 996 worlds greatest advocate.
You weren't invited to this conversation, but it was an opportunity for you to get constructive criticism on how your ad could be interpreted and then adjust accordingly if you so choose. Instead you chose to take everything personally and throw a temper tantrum for all to see. I don't think continuing to insult everyone and this forum as whole is going to make you feel any better but you are welcome to keep trying.
Mr. Aero, you still won't stop will you? Your attempt to harass your sorry car on some fool is typical and why people are forced to have PPI done on their Porsches. Regarding the whole seat issue, who really cares? I have the Sport Seats option on my 996 and it says P77. But obviously, the option codes are different on the MkI, but mine is a '03. Regardless, I've looked at hundreds of 996s before I purchased mine and the one thing I noticed was the painted back seats usually matched the console. It was also clear that I based my comment on the hood option sticker. (which is a bad photo btw... you should do better than that) You could NOT see the XSA code clearly or I would have seen it in the option book. Have you ever looked at the option book for the Mk1 and Mk2? I have one and the codes are not always clearly defined. Even the Porsche reps struggle to give a knowledge response on the first phone call. But here's the reality, we're now in the world of CarFax and GOOGLE, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the good, bad, and ugly on a car. But when a person over embellishes any used car and acts like "I'm sad to have to sell it" or "It's the nicest Porsche in the state of Iowa", then I have to wonder what the hell is this guy smokin' and why he tryin' to blow his smoke up my ***. Plain and simple, you have a wrecked car that has been repaired and looks to be in fair condition, but definitely NOT the nicest Porsche in the whole state of Iowa. Really? hahahah... that's laughable man. Can you really hear yourself? If not, you need to record your voice stating everything you've posted on this thread. Ok... enough. I'm going to lunch!
I wonder if there are any aero Porsches in Iowa that haven't been beat all to hell...
Question: Should someone actually endeavor to replicate this car for something less than $30K, is it necessary to crush the right rear quarter, or can that part of the replication process be skipped?
I'm guilty of not going back to read the original ad. I just saw some pics originally on my mobile and didn't really bother to try to interpret the sticker which was half faded. If the repair was done correctly, it's a nice car and would be of good value to someone looking for an aero at 15k. Once again, GLWS.
I wouldn't get too caught up on the forums. These kinds of things always happen. It's always predictable every single time.
Too much BS here to even single out a few points. Misconstrue and misquote all you want. Option codes don't lie, just certain 996 forum regulars it seems.
Thanks for the kind words. I have seen this happen DOZENS of times on this sub-forum and when it happened to my car I thought it was FINALLY time a person stood up for themselves and all the others who had their cars LIBELED on this sub-forum unjustly and unfairly.
Personally I usually stay on the 968 and Cayenne forums for this specific reason, but I had an idea my car would show up on this thread since it is "unique" so I was watching it.
Hmmmm..truly smell a lawsuit coming. Imagine being "Libeled" on an internet forum about cars listed on Craigs List, unjustly and unfairly! Time for KCAttorney to step in. Stand strong...help is on the way. Oh, in the meanwhile, please provide the evidence of "dozens of times". Thanks in advance.
You have to have a thick skin around here. Some good alternative's albeit with less traffic but also less static is Pelican, Renn-Tech, 6speedonline in case you didin't know.
You may want to advertise your car there as well and include all the pertinent info. With summer here, I'm pretty confident you can sell this car around the mid teens.
Funny, haven't seen you admit to how your jumping to conclusions in your knotted up panties started the whole mess.
Not only have you alienated this forum, you have done the exact opposite of what your initial blubbering was meant to "counter". Your car (or more specifically you) has been trashed in the eyes of any potential buyer that happens across this mess you started. No one in their right mind would want to willingly give you money to you after your displays here.
As you have seen, this forum doesn't take kindly to "safe space" idiots that get offended when no offense was given.
So by all means, please take your ball and go home. You won't be missed.
My horrible reputation is worldwide. There are some parts of the internet where they won't even say my name - I'm just "the forum guy whose name must remain unspoken."
Incidentally, I was the guy who took a break from being "horrible" to point out that a no-records car isn't necessarily a bad thing, and I also pointed out that an all-original engine is sometimes better than an engine that has been modified, since you may never know the real reasons behind the work that was done.
The one -and only - bone I had to pick with you was your suggestion that RL members are misinformed in the same post where you incorrectly described one of the symptoms of a failing AOS. I get that you're worked up about some of the stuff that was said about your car - but how does that justify talking sh*t about the entire forum? You can say what you like about me, but your claim that RL members are uninformed is ridiculous. Some might say libelous, but that seems like a stretch to me...
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Answer: (In your words)
1. "It still looks better and drives better than 90% of sports cars on the road"
2. "looks better than 90% of all 911s"
3. "sounds better than 95% of all cars"
4. "As the owner of this car, I can tell you that the rear impact only effected the rear quarter panel"
5. "You would have closer to 30k replicating this car"
6. "I have one of the nicest Porsche in the state"
7. "The whole reason 996s in general have a negative connotation is the OWNERS, and not the cars themselves"
8. "I guarantee my 996 looks better than yours. Hell, it probably looked better before it was fixed."
9. "Honestly I will be sad to see it go"
10. "The only item I know of to cause catastrophic damage with little warning is the IMS"
and more... (in other words)
11. 5CHN3LL is a poet and didn't know it.
12. Slakker does not have gay tendencies.
13. Gnat is happy all the time.
14. Kalash is a Russian that hates Vodka and dumplings
15. Alpine is a immobilizer expert and can crack any code.
16. IPass is a Porsche device that can sniff out snakes in the grass
17. KK is a nice honest DIY'er that installed my IMS solution
18. Martin really does like Jake R.
19. Ahsai is really not the 996 Gandhi
20. Porsche really cares
I will admit I am not sure on the validity of 11-20. When 1-10 are put in correct context, there is nothing inaccurate listed. I can go through them all if you like, but it won't matter what I say, because especially in this thread, truth and honestly is thrown right out the window.
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Well, it's because Aerohead drove it off the rails! Look at his responses. Nothing but insults and insane, embellished claims about his car. Who is his right mind would buy anything from this jerk? Not me and not anyone I know. I wouldn't buy that car if it was the last Porsche on the planet. And as Slakker mentioned, this is a technical forum and not the kiss ***, barista filled, jelly donut eating, Starbuck serving Porsche dealership lounge. He doesn't like the heat, than get the hell outta the kitchen. *drop mic*
Not to change the topic, but always looking for the perfect 996. Found this one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=162102751017
Read through and was excited to see the IMS was replaced, then read the rest of the tech's note - that it was out of spec but decided to replace anyway.
Oh well, the search goes on
*picks up mic*
I love that users like b3freak, slakker, etc can say whatever rude, immature purely false conjecture they want. But when they get called out on it all of a sudden it is the other person who is "insulting".
Pot, meet kettle.
Here's a few that have popped up on CL here in the Atlanta area...
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/ctd/5628691666.html
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/5574582705.html
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/5634372843.html
Aero - honestly, hope you sell your car and move on. But please give it a rest in here. Most guys just kidding around and learning more about our cars on a tech forum. or just sharing interesting stuff. This is not where the problems of the world are going to get resolved.
I wouldn't write it off completely. There is no mention of the bearing's state, just the timing. Jake has said that the timing won't show anything until the late stages of failure. I would hope that if they opened it and found the bearing trashed that it would have been noted.
I'd like to be able to either see the original bearing or assuming they sent it off to LN for warranty, see what LN says about the old bearing.
Now if they can't produce the bearing and didn't send it to LN to register it, yeah I'd be leery too.
Nice looking car though and indeed a rare combination with the red, sport seats, and a Cab Aero. The red looks good with the silver and it all looks to be in good condition too.
Tip + Aero?
Looks good for the milage, but with the Tip and the miles I don't know about the asking price. We know KC would pay an extra $5k though for the color
Those wheels look like the LM forged wheels. BBS headquarters is just down the road from me and I gave them a call about the LM wheels and they quoted me like almost a $1000 each. It states he paid $2500 for the set which sound like a pretty good deal for BBS. They are beautiful though!
Usually, I'd agree the aero package on the cabriolets look a bit "spaceshipish", but it seems to work and not stick out too much... maybe it's the silver color that makes it work. I'm not crazy about that interior color and the fact that Porsche likes to make everything in the 996 interiors the same colors. On my cab, everything was graphic grey. I had the console and seat backs painted flat black. It was amazing how two changes can make the whole interior look different.
Didn't Porsche have problems with the clear coat on the Red 996 cars? Seems like I remember clear coat was prone to bubble up and flake off over time quicker than any other colors.
They're actually Forged BBS RS-GT's almost like mine. Lighter than the LM's and slightly cheaper. I hope I didn't call you out or insult you in any way.
Hhahahahhaha... that's funny! I still have Kalash wanting me to do another graphic - movie poster of sorts. Those take too much time and that may get me in trouble at work. ha!
Anyway, it's all good. We all pick at each other and that's fine, but Aero crossed the line and he knows it.
Cheers!
Bull****!
You are the one with incorrect info spewing from your mouth over and over, with others taking it as gospel.
No wonder when I picked the mic back up it smelled rancid.
Alpine, be prepared for an adolescent, meme filled attack since that is what the last person who proved him wrong received.
I only quoted YOU and don't give us the "you're taking it out of context" crap again. Re-read your top 10 exaggerations again and you'll see that your outlandish comments to be quite on the level of space cadet. And then again, maybe you won't. But no one cares anymore.
Why you sniffin' it???
We would joke around in fun; unfortunately, you don't have that luxury.
Pfffft, where is the meme that you posted of me, hmmm?
Maybe it got removed by admin? That's where you crossed the line bud and you want to call me adolescent, really? ha!
Yet you still replied? The horse is dead and got no bids, let it be.
If he wants to bleat on, just ignore him and let's get back to discussing 996s that are for sale.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=162105411162
$23k for a 4S?
Seems cheap even for breaking 6 digits on the ODO.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=301982164121
Maybe KC is ready for an upgrade. Color is right
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=201601685958
That's a repeat. I know we discussed it a few weeks ago, but it still takes your breath away....
((Nods)) Moving on...
The white C4S is beautiful... loved everything about it with the exception of the automatic and high miles, but it's priced to sell not doubt. Would be a great car for those that want a daily driver and not have to fool with changing gears.
The second car is my pick aside for the price of course, but beautiful in every way. I'm sure it's total blast to drive.
The third car... well, replicas or tribute cars are not my thing. At least the seller is completely upfront and honest about the fact that its just a Carrera 4, but the colors are radical and again trying to make it something that its not, is not my thing. I'd rather have a real Carrera 4 than a fake GT3RS. But more power to him.
Ahh. Missed the Tip on the C4S. Price makes a bit more sense then.
I'd have to replace those wheels on the GT2. Those things are god awful. Wouldn't stop me from buying it, just would have to carry new wheels with me to pick it up
Yea, that's one of the cleanest C4S cars I've seen in quite a while. Love the tan leather interior, but the lack of a manual. (thumbs down)
Guess I have bad tastes then, cause I actually like those wheels. They're a lot better than 22" spinners. ha!
This wasn't known already?
OK. "god awful" may have been a bit much. I guess they aren't
that
bad, but I'm no fan of them and think they detract from the car.
A beast like the GT2 needs some wheels with meat on the bones. Those things look so delicate that the car could just spin the centers out if you left a stop at more than 1500 RPM!
I'm no car collector though so the idea of spending that kind of money on a decade plus old used car is just
to me. So what wheels I'd put on it is kinda moot
Question, the stock GT2 wheels are 18" right? It looks like these have been upgraded to 19", but I still like them, but performance would be sacrificed by 1/1000 of a sec. hahaha j/k Ok, is it me or does this car look like it been lowered a little from stock?
Yeah we discussed it already (no US MkI GT3s and no such thing as a 996 GT3RS so not sure what it is a tribute too). Based on the (outrageous) price its still the same person trying to sell it.
I agree and think it maybe a great price. Almost too great actually. I'd wanna check the undersides for any advanced corrosion and check the bores since he does live up in Canada.
Those are not stock GT2 wheels. For that price I would make sure the OEM GT2 wheels come with it. However those 19" Champion's(lighter than GT2 wheels) are the shiz as well.
Yes lowered.
They are pretty well treated from the factory so corrosion isn't much of a worry even in the salt loving states (unlike buying an e30
).
Really bore scoring being more likely due to cold temps in areas that see near or below freezing temps is the only climate based issue I can think of that is remotely common.
What y'all think about these? It's an Aero kit...
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/5560236154.html
http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/5639160951.html
It's the body that's only galvanized from the factory. Not the mechanical parts. If you DIY, you're not gonna want to fight every frozen bolt here and there when working on the car.
Personally, the best states are the states that hasn't had any major flooding and moderate temps like CA, GA, TN, KY, etc.
First one doesn't have a horn or airbag which may be an issue to some owners or states that have road worthy tests.
Second one is a frankenstein wanna-be-mk2 from a mk1. Not sure if there's any hidden damage or how well the conversion was carried out. Plus it's way too high.
Not too thrilled with color unless you wanna pay tribute to Prince. Also too much for a base model essentially. The hottest thing on that car is the silver/white dials.
That one sounds like a good deal. The fact that the owner put on Michelin Pilot Sports would seem to indicate that he gives a damn about maintaining it well possibly.
Can you tell it's a Friday and I'm going through all the motions of being at work?
The first one doesn't seem bad, but for that price I'd want it to come with the original steering wheel and airbag. Might be a tad high if the odometer value listed is missing 3 zeros.
The second one I wouldn't touch, especially for the price. There is a lot of work required for a MkI -> MkII face lift. Was it done right? Also not a fan of NB cars with the 4S treatment as it just ends up looking strange. What's with the wear on the top of the steering wheel? Doesn't look right for the milage.
This was a member here and he picked it up recently IIRC. If you search around, I'm sure you can find his postings here.
Edit: Found it:
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...t-porsche.html
My wife would love you if I walked upstairs and said "do you want to go to Calvert Cliffs this weekend", so if you are interested in that one and can convince the owner to meet us at the cliffs I'd rennfax it for you. You better be serious though as I fvcking hate hiking, the beach, and having to go through PG county...
Just noticed this, very local to me: 2000 C2 Cab Tip, 48.5k for $19.5k. Ad's been up for a while, so potentially a deal to be had?
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/n...601001120.html
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What is it with all the Tips???
That champaign color is one that people seem to either really like or not which makes it a hard sell. Personally I'm not a fan, but someone picked up a MkI Aero in that color a year or so ago and it was a very good look (is there a bad color for a MkI Aero??).
The steering wheel has the usual cracking on the wood, otherwise looks cared for.
Tip + color I think make it a 17.5k car.
Removed the steering wheel with airbag. Wonder if that explains the MIL light being on. Could be the Parking Brake light, but they're normally red in color. This could also be an ABS fault light which is yellowish orange.
By "looks good", are you referring to the armor-all'd spare tire? LOL
I'm always a sucker for white and it has the GT3 style wheels on there too.
It needs the HVAC display replacement though.
Anyone who has ever worked in the music or radio industry in ANY capacity knows that you just don't smell the mic. People shout at and spit on those things constantly...consequently, they're going to smell like a sack of a**holes.
For the love of God...don't sniff the mic.
Rear seats are missing...and I'd wonder if the duct tape secured with a hose clamp (part of the airbox mod) is any indication of how the car was maintained.
Heh. Whatever they've got in the mic stand wired up to the house PA that every guitar-toting plaid-wearing hoping-this-will-get-him-laid grunge/punk/hipster (the only real difference being the length and shape of the beard and the color and tightness of the jeans) has spat into while savaging his favorite Nirvana/Clash/whatever-the-f**k-Hipsters-listen-to album...
http://akroncanton.craigslist.org/cto/5639495980.html
Went and saw this today. Guy owns on auto detailing shop. Has a quartz coat. Paint is beautiful. Car sounds and runs great. But I learned I need a full leather interior.
The more I read, the more postings/ads I see..... the better I feel about my purchase.
Car is still not here but got all the paperwork incl. service records/title etc. today.
Can't wait to have her here. I'm planning to make another post purchase inspection here in Houston. Just to double check on conditions/have a second opinion on the car conditions.
Happy weekend guys!!
Heh. Yeah. I went most of our ownership having no idea what people were bitching about as far as crappy interior. Then a co-worker drove his dad's to work one day and it was a no leather car
The more dead cow you can get in there, the better if it isn't going to be a track toy.
Have seen this car before on eBay. Auction ended with $13,450. Not sure what happened.
I'm really into the white with the black rims.
Could be a bargain if no major issue....
https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/cto/5618691234.html
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/ctd/5603920560.html
[1999 C2 Coupe, 6MT, Black/Black, 18.7k mi, $32,500]
Don't think so, super low mileage 996.1s at 30k+ seems like an actual thing.
Mk I cab that went for under $13k on eBay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/272272452741
Love-it-or-hate-it color scheme, 103k miles, and no maintenance history probably kept the price down. But it's a cab in summer, full leather, and a stick. Top looks like it'll need replacement soon., which probably didn't help. Googling the VIN turns up a couple ads ... dealer was asking $17k for it before heading to eBay.
I just threw this out as another data point ... if there's any conclusion to be drawn, I guess it's that high mileage, no records, a sketchy top, and a color that's not silver/gray/black/red can really limit the (already limited) market for a cab.
I want to believe it, I really do, but I just can't see a random MkI (or MkII) being early 997 or fixer-upper 996TT money.
Maybe if there was something really special (and low miles ain't it on these cars), but I see nothing on any of them.
We're talking perfect C4S money here.
I'd love to know what these cars actually sell for and how long it takes them to get them sold.
I completely agree. What you're asking and what you're getting are two separate things. I'm afraid at the moment, the early narrow body 996s don't have the demand for this chunk of change. Keep it for another 30 years with this amount of miles and it could probably bring more.
Cool! The super rare MkII to MkI conversion
Poorly worded posting? Check.
Incorrect information? Check.
Single pic out in a public parking lot? Check.
Spotting a probable scam from a mile away? Priceless!
I'd bet it's real. I don't see much to suggest that it's a scam, more likely just driven by someone who doesn't know much about it. Actual value I'd consider paying? Probably not a dime more than $3k.
If that 99 C4 goes for the BIN price (23k) or higher, that'd be pretty interesting, especially on the heels of that BaT C4 going at 24. It would be nice to see these cars stay attainable for longer, but they can't stay this undervalued forever I guess.
Could be. The single pic in a public parking lot is the big red flag for me. That just screams "I trolled a parking lot for cars to snap pics of" to me.
The rest of the issues with the ad just reinforce that feeling. I definitely wouldn't wire that guy money and wouldn't show up to a "sale" with valuables or untraceable money...
Check out this Polynesian beauty! asking... $14,995
https://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/ctd/5639074805.html
I'm sure she'd fit on a boat back to the mainland. ha!
Not sure what the deal with the seats is (covers?), but I actually like it as it breaks up the endless sea of tan!
What's with all the Tips lately though?
Guess they've seen the err of their ways.
And what do you mean you don't like those sea blue polyester seat covers? Gotta protect that soft tan leather, right? ha!
'99 Ocean Blue Cab
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/ctd/5639421585.html
'00 Black Cab
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/5632884602.html
Both under $16k.
Pretty good looking 2-owner 2001 Aero for sale near San Jose...
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/5592926777.html
[01 C2 Aero Coupe, Silver/Black, 67k mi, $22.5k]
That one was posted a few pages back (I think on Thurs or Friday). I could have tried to laid eyes on it for someone last weekend, but I'll be out of town next week so can't do it (unless it is still around the weekend after the 4th).
On second glance at it, the alignment of the front bumper looks off. Looks like too much gap under the headlights and hood. May not be nefarious (cleaning rads, respray from road rash, etc..), but something to look at.
Some years back I was looking at motorcycles and stopped by a local shop. I noticed that every bike on the floor displayed its list price and asked the guy what the real price was on a couple bikes. He laughed and quoted some prices, then explained that about 1 in 6 buyers would come in and pay the advertised price without haggling. So he decided he'd might as well display MSRP, and work deals with people who knew enough not to pay retail.
Hard for me to believe that it worked, but that was his rationale. And last I knew, he was still there and selling lots of bikes. So maybe this Goldman outfit figures they can advertise their cars for stupid money, and sooner or later that no-haggle guy will come along and give them stupid money. If the car doesn't move, they can always cut the price later.
Absolutely 100% without question not a factory aero car because it's the wrong wing (MkII) for the car (MkI).
Looks like a clean car though if you don't mind the whole wrong wing thing. The GT3 badge is easy enough to get rid of.
Is it me, or does anybody else feel it's wrong to put a "GT3" emblem on their P-cars when they're clearly not stock GT3 cars? I guess it's the whole "tribute car" thing, but it reminds me of all those fools that would buy $50 Rolex watches and act like they have the real deal. Personally, I'd rather have a real Timex than a fake Rolex. Same goes for Porsches. But to each his own I guess.
I would never even consider buying a car from someone that fake badged it. To me it means that appearance is more important than integrity or reality to them and I would not trust the decisions they made while owning the car.
Mic - dropped.
Thank god for the IMS hysteria. There's no way I would spend the justifiable $25-35k price for an early 996. But - the IMS black eye has really put these fine cars in a great price range.
I second GA.
My '01 996 spent it's entire life in GA and the underbody, body and interior is near perfect with 68k miles.
My '03 Land Rover spent it's entire life in IL and it's a complete rust bucket. Everything has rust, even stuff on the roof.
GA - yes
IL - no
And it "started overheating" because of that damn bumper.. I see it all the time, it diverts air into the radiators at an angle that disallows the direct pass through of air into, and out of the radiators. All the air stacks in the corners of the bumper, missing 2/3 of the radiators effective cooling surface.
Cool looking car.. Probably change that bumper and just drive it.
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Oooh, that's nice. Pretty similar to mine, except in garish red. That's what GR stands for right?
Interesting though - the post says Carrera 4, but no C4 badging? It just says "Carrera" on the back, from what I can see on the pictures.
hahahaha. Don't you just love it when a seller says, "Boxster runs and drives" but then says, "It will need to be towed"
Cue Sad Trombone... WAK WAAAAK WAAAAAAAAK!!!!
Pretty sure it's not a C4. Body shape doesn't seem right for that. For those miles, I still think it's a heck-of-a-deal.
I think the 'GR' stands for 'Gorgeous Red'
Dude, that's a bargain if it goes anywhere near that. Especially since it has the uber rare Steptronic transmission option (previously only available in Bimmers.)
Cold climates are only an issue if the car was actually driven in the cold -- and I think a lot of them aren't. It pays to look at Carfax or service records (if available) to determine if you're looking at a Northeastern car that spent its winters in a garage. It's not easy to tell, but if you see a regularly serviced car where nothing occurred between November and April, odds are it pretty much sat out the winter.
As for CA cars, what about salt-air corrosion? Seems like you can make a case for or against just about anywhere.
Meh. I read that as more of "I think it's sound but your can BYOM if you want.
On the Boxster I think the tow is needed as it needs SMOG done so it isn't street legal.
Maybe a week in SFO has just made me all soft liberal about things though...
And have a different interior.
And be a C4.
Those don't even look like the correct rims (they look too big and less swoopy than the glossy turbo twists).
Looks like it needs some work and has been sitting. No mention of RMS or IMS. Lowest I have seen in the area.
http://newhaven.craigslist.org/cto/5667037912.html
Exactly Jimmy!
Based on the 996 book, the "real" Millennium Editing was a modified Carrera 4. Right off the top the car in the ebay auction is a standard Carrera C2. The car is also missing the important limited edition engraved "911" plaques. Some of the other ME features (or the lack thereof) are a little harder to verify in the picture. The ME cars mostly came with Savannah beige leather w/ maple wood trim and Alcantara black roof. This one is the common "all black" interior and is missing the ME plaque on the lower dash panel.
Oh well, hopefully the buyer will do their homework before bidding.
$34.5k for a C4S with 95k miles reads like a typo. I like the colour scheme, but that's like a $26k car in a best case scenario. Seen a handful of similarly high mileage C4S go in the low to mid-20s range over the last few months.
I agree, but it is Marin and there are tons of wealthy people who might not research values of these cars.
Probably a consignment and the owner would go significantly lower, if he needs some cash.
Claims it's an OEM GT2 spoiler and deck lid! Last I looked all the proper OEM bits for that wing cost about what they are asking for it!
Personally I think the GT2 wing looks too big on the NB cars, but that's me.
Be nice if more/better pics were included. Sounds nice though.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto/5666999631.html
[03 Cab 6MT, 77.5k mi, Lapis/Graphite, IMS Solution, $24.9k]
This seems pretty well sorted, IMS Solution is a nice touch. One of those "pricey but probably worth it" cars.
Throw in a water pump and new owner should be good for many miles, assuming The Solution was installed proactively and not after the old bearing went out.
Had to swing by the local Audi dealer this morning and saw this on the lot (there was no price on the car):
http://www.audichantilly.com/used/Po...6c9795ad6b.htm
Looks decent, but way overpriced at 31k!
From a quick walk around the right rear tail light has some cracks in it, maybe nothing but the spoiler wasn't completely in the down position (maybe 1" out), headlights are yellowed (though looked clear next to ours!), and lots of nicks and scratches on the bumper and hood from normal road wear.
Without a more detailed look I'd say they are asking a pristine price for a solid driver's car. I'd say it's a 25-27k car if I had to make a guess right now.
If anyone is interested I'm happy to go do a more detailed Rennfax and plug up my Durametric. I can also hook you up with a good shop not far from the Audi dealer for a PPI.
To me it seems about right from a dealer. It's a relatively low mileage C4S example so $30-35k seems to be the range. However, it does NOT have the WB aero kit on it. LOL. They probably saw the vents in the rear bumper and the more aggressive turbo nose and thought those were options.
The buyers certainly. I hope that by not being in the market I have a less biased eye.
I think a 30k+ version should need nothing. Maybe not a show car, but should hold up to anything less than formal judgement.
From a quick walk around this looks like a good car, but it needs some love if it's going to be anything other than a DD.
I agree with you. Had I also seen it in person, I would probably be in the same ballpark as your figure too.
You can only sell turds if you have a 993 or the older 911's and still expect it to sell at a premium. This doesn't apply to 996's though.
Looks like its worth about $40k! Come on we need to start supporting the values of the 996 here and run with it! Perception is reality and the longer we keep taking a dump on our values the longer they will stay low... Hmmmm just some crazy talk.. or not.. ?
Indeed. In all these years of looking for ettil's car's twin, it's just not out there. KC's old C4 has to be the closest I've seen. Hard to put a price on something you can't replace (and the cost to retrofit a "close" match is not a pretty number at all).
Personally I won't be happy until an 01 C4 Aero with sunroof delete car covered in multiple herds of dead cow breaks the $103k mark again
Yep! It is... in fact, I started my day early this morning with a warm cup of coffee and went to the garage to say good morning to my 996 baby. She was already up and ready for a drive. I said, "baby, how much are you worth?". She shook her head and replied, "You can't afford me!"
I am also curious to see if Porsche taking the 911 to a full turbo line up will change anything for us non turbo owners... We may have a growing commodity, or I have been drinking too much of the Porsche koolaid
But it taste sooo good!
Only time will tell...
Apparently its worth over a million dollars. Looking at the website referred to in the ad, they "turned down" a $10milllion offer
Million Dollar Porsche
Strange, I had a similar conversation with my 996 this morning:
Me: Baby, do you know how much you're worth to me?
996: I'm worth more than any woman that will swallow, and I'll feed you every morning
Me: Are you trustworthy?
996: I've only had two partners, I only ask that you treat me gently... but know when to take it full force
Me: I love you, my one and only child!
I don't think this is too far off. For me, there is nothing more satisfying than an NA engine. "Everything is turbo" is all about pleasing the EPA and other government bodies so I don't think it will be well received in the long run.
Me too, and I've owned all of those mentioned at some point.
'99 is THE year. people are finally starting to see what I've been saying for over a decade about the '99 cars.
It has a history, but a no reserve auction is a game changer. Wonder where it will hit in the end?
Thoughts?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=272303422980
I'm thinking about the cars mentioned as DD, but I'm a newcomer to the 996/997 world - can you enlighten me a bit on why the '99 is the king of that hill? Is it because it's in the sweet spot of the depreciation curve or is there more to it?
Mostly because it's the only year that Porsche put a dual row bearing IMS in the 996 series.
Supposedly, it's least likely to have catastrophic engine failure over the single row version found on other 996 non-turbo cars.
Lots of things hadn't been made cheaper, yet... It took them a while to figure it out.
If a 996 is early enough to have a 993 steering wheel, thats the ONLY car that I want.
FTFY.
2000s and 2001s have the Dual too, just not 100% of the cars. Hell Jake has even told us he found one hiding in a 2003 motor!
They have their own issues as I believe D chunk and intermix are more common.
Could you please elaborate on this further Jake? I think it may deserve its own thread. What kind of specific benefits does a 99 have over others? I have a 99 with the 993 steering wheel built in late 1998 and it looks extremly solid but I would definetly like to know more.
Thanks.
It deserves more than a thread. it deserves to be a buyer's guide.. People will argue just because the other cars are newer with more power and better creature comforts.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...32841631&Log=0
Speed yellow 99 with aero at a nice price. Says it needs some cosmetics, but looks pretty good to me.
It's the lightest and nimblest of the 996s. It was the last year of mechanical throttle before they went to e-gas. Most of them don't have traction control so you actually have to drive and respect it. The ABS is the only way it tries to help you, the rest is all you. And when you get it right, it is very rewarding. It truly is a drivers car with all the feel of a 993 but the Hp of a 996.
People talk about 986.2's extra HP but it weighs 200lbs more. In SPEC996, they only doc you 180lbs for having a 996.2. So basically you end up with a heavier car that isn't any faster.
'98 was the last year that the engineers still controlled the build process. That's why Porsche was loosing their rear. When the accountants took over, every year things got a little cheaper. Metal parts became plastic. But at least they got them profitable again.
So the '99 is the sweet spot of all Porsches. It took me awhile to get this. After putting my down payment on an FSI engine, I kept bugging Jake about whether or not I was putting it in the right car. I asked about 996.2s, 40th anniversaries, 996TTs, 997S. And every time he told me early model '99 was the best. Now that I've had it awhile, I get it. So now I own two.
One more story, I reached out to a guy that went from a '99 dedicated track car to a 996.2 X51 for the larger engine and HP. He built it out the same way and a year later he was still running a second slower than the '99.
Springfield isn't far from me. I'd be happy to do a Rennfax on it this weekend, though at that price...
Cosmetics probably means removing the stupid headlight covers
Very interesting about the 99 996.
I'm currently in the market for either a 996 or 997.1
This just recreated more problems in making up my mind!
Buy a 996 coupe and keep my 03 986S or just have a 997cab...
Nice offer. I'm not up for another, but someone should have this looked at. If the engine, brakes, susp and trans test out I think the cosmetics wouldn't take much to make it rather nice.
After a bit closer look at the speed yellow pics in Springfield I can see that possibly this is an aftermarket aero type kit. NTTAWWT, but it's possibly not factory. The right rear lower spat has paint peeling off. Guessing the little dots on the rear bumper are aftermarket as well. Add it up with removing the headlight covers, and I guess that's what they mean. Still not a deal breaker is if someone wants to spend a little time and money on the bodywork.
The spats are a hard foam. The paint is flaking off our's too. My guess is that they were repainted/replaced. Factory paint sticks well, but bodyshop paint not so much from what I've seen.
After looking again, I'd bet money it's real.
Second look reminded me that the backup sensors would also need to go....
Hmmm... Race car.... It's the right driveline and it's the right price....who cares what color it is if it's stored in WV right? Hmm....
It looks real to me. We would just need a pic of the option sticker to determine if it was added on or from the factory.
HOWEVER, I think it should be a crime to put an aero on a MK1 tip car.
Very intersting. Makes me much happier I purchased a 99 996 built in 98. Im adding a TBD and some other drivers mods. I think it will be a very fun package.
I pulled the carfax on it. He either bought it to filp it, or decided he didn't want the car. I wish he'd answer his phone or respond to emails though, because I'm trying to buy the car.
BTW if anyone's seen the ad for the gold 911 in Modesto, the guy is a liar. It's listed as a clean title 2001 with 99,000 miles. Carfax says it's a salvage title 2000, with 200,000 miles. The car is also tore up. A/C doesn't work, stereo needs pin to unlock, drivers side door panel needs replaced, driver's side window regulator out, back right tire completely bald, rear brakes howl while driving, rims are demolished.......... you get the point.
Nice looking Seal Gray (?) Aero C4 not far from me, 2001, 30k miles, $25k. I spy litrnonics, difficult to see what else it has - possibly Savannah interior? Or could just be the lighting.
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/n...684153212.html
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/cto/5689737157.html
1999 Porsche 996 Carerra - $5500 (Butler)
1999 Porsche Carrera 2 with Bad engine. Have engine and transmission currently removed from car.
Someone needs a roller.
that's the first time I've seen a pic of or heard anyone else mention the little aluminum block with the crest and VIN!
It's a simple little thing, but I've always thought it was pretty cool.
High KM's but low price with some "history"??
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/m...ationFlag=true
2001 Carrera 4 Tip cab $US 12,177.35 at todays exchange rate.
I've seen worse 911s where the driver walked away with minor injuries.
If it was only the driver in the car then they could be OK (relatively speaking). The passenger side is flattened, but the integrity of the driver's side held up (guessing it flipped and landed on the passenger side first).
The driver got their bell rung good, but as long as they were buckled in and kept all appendages in the car my money is on pretty minor injuries (a few broken bones, bruises/lacerations, and a concussion). Not my idea of a fun Friday night, but better than you might expect.
Definitely, aftermarket front bumper, side skirts, and rear wing. But the owner committed some serious blasphemy by putting an "S" badge on the rear when it's clearly not an C4S.
The side skirts look correct to me. The bumper also looks to me like the Aero bumper, but it had aftermarket vanes added to the openings. Definitely not a factory wing though.
Was a 4 spoke steering wheel standard on a C4S? Front bumper, rear wing and front side marker lights are clearly aftermarket. What year did bumper guards get color?
I drove this one. It had issues. ticking on left side of motor and top would not work. He later texted me that he fixed the top. It's got 930 turbo rear wheels and it had a big indention in the back seat. also the front end was way out of alignment. I saw it recently sell on ebay for $17K
Cab Tip, under 100k miles, 4 spoke wheel. Deal or no deal?
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...3116/overview/
Not my color, but if you like that kind of thing.
Tip, aero, with IMS done. Proper color.
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/5675888939.html
I think I recall this car for sale about a year ago. Has nice options except missing 030 and 220 like mine, and 6 sp.
IMSB done 2300 miles ago? Unless there is good hard evidence of the condition of the old bearing and motor that should give people pause.
Could be completely innocent, but enough people have been burned with crap motor that just had their bearing changed...
http://houston.craigslist.org/ctd/5686204208.html
http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/5686497468.html
Thoughts on these? I am totally new to all this so I value y'all's opinion and experience greatly. 16k seems pretty cheap for the first one, but I would probably put in a new clutch and do the IMS while I am there just because I want this to be my DD for years to come. Thanks so much!
The first one has seen some hard use. Kudos to the dealer for showing honest pics of it though. Things that jump out at me:
- Something going on where the frunk meets the bumper. Duct tape residue? Got backed into/over by a taller vehicle?
- That is some serious wear around the light switch. Around the ignition I could understand, but the light switch?
- That steering wheel is in rough shape.
I think the price is about right for it in it's current condition. That steering wheel would drive me nuts so I'd look at picking up a used one in better shape to swap in. The rest I think is pretty minor.
The second doesn't look bad either, but it is lighter on detailed pictures so it's harder to judge.
Since you are new to the 996 game, make sure you get a good PPI from a Porsche shop (
not a dealer
) that is familiar with the 996.
Gnat covered them well. As a DD, you're not so much concerned about total miles(cuz you're gonna add quick), as you are about regular scheduled and unscheduled mx done. The gray would be my first choice.
For the silver, you gotta get this IMSB pre-qual inspection done before you write the check. Your plan to do the clutch and IMSB all hinge on whether either of the cars will pass the pre-qual for approved mech install of the LN solution, etc. Read up on it, and ask both sellers if you can do the pre-qual or not. I had a seller refuse to let it be done.
Also, since you want a cab and I presume you are Houston area, you MUST insure the top seals well and it goes up and down flawlessly. I don't mean that it goes up and down ok, or with force, or clunky, I mean it goes up and down like factory.
May be a good plan to start a different new thread of your own looking for what you want. Might get some interesting replies. Look everywhere, and don't settle for what you don't want. Patience is rewarded. Prices will be anywhere from $15-25k.
Sub-14k '99 here:
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/n...706655419.html
Couple of bumps recorded on the Carfax but no salvage title. And on the plus side it has a PCA sticker in the rear window and some history from a well-regarded specialist.
What's the betting there are problems with this one!!
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-autos-camions...ationFlag=true
Rough translation is: Firm. Unbeatable price for quick sale . VGA and grafign� hood.
Need some gray seats? Same guy selling the hard top I posted above:
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/n...671525283.html
Seems like a good price. He sent me some additional pics when asked and said the car they came out of had 80k at the time. From the extra pics they look like they are in good shape.
Passed this at a dealer a couple of blocks from my house this morning:
http://www.fcauto.com/mobile/view/4655
02 C2 cab tip, 103k, $20k. "Dealer maintained". Unremarkable but has fancy wheels and tips for those that like that sort of thing. Seats look a little worn.
I was local and wanted to go check that one out, but alas the salvage scares me away.
Anything with a windshield visor scares me away, not sure why. And those rims need to go. Otherwise a decent deal that some updates would be nice.
Special edition car that has a faux 997 GT3 front bumper with bad paint, a 997 (style?) wing, replaced the wheels, and looks like some interior changes as well.
Not a good deal at all. MEs don't seem to have much value to begin with, but this one has been ruined with all the changes to it.
Ruined is indeed the word. Much of the changes look to be trying to mitigate wear and tear but the silver paint everywhere looks cheap and tacky. And what's up with the shift **** and the lower right dash? Kalashnikov is right about the value but I guess the guy is hoping for someone local and naive.
It's been for sale quite a while; as one of the (few) fans of the ME I talked a little with the owner a couple of months or so when I was looking for mine. Decided it wasn't the car for me so didn't go look at it.
Ugh. Missed that the rear bumper isn't stock either
You'd probably have to spend what he is asking to get it back to it's stock form
Jimmy, you aren't the only fan of them. The car was for her though and she likes her black/black cars
Personally I think they are undervalued for what they are, but people get turned off by the color and the wheels
Perhaps I'm slightly obsessive, but I've been keeping track of the various ME's that crop up for sale - location, price, mileage, ME number, VIN etc. Maybe there's a register to be put together ...
OP, give us a bit more info on budget, requirements (C2 / C4, 6spd / tip, cabrio / tintop etc) and location - there's loads of 996s out there, especially if you're prepared to travel a bit, that wouldn't need the "fixing" this car needs.
I've been petitioning the mods that '99s are so special that we should have our own forum. I don't seem to be getting any traction though. Maybe if the ME and AE crowd joined forces with us we could make it happen!
Too bad the car was messed up like that! What a shame.
A lot of people on this forum don't value the ME for some reason but reality is that it's the most limited of any special editions. In stock condition it's an amazing looking car. Of course add some performance upgrades like wheels, exhaust and suspension. At any rate, this is not the one to buy.
My browser isn't showing me the CarFax report, but that car looks familiar.
This winter I went and looked at one that color with the factory aero wing here in VA. It was being listed for less than this, but when I looked at it it turned out to be an absolute dog. For what's being asked for here it could have been picked up and gotten some good lipstick and still make a bit of profit.
I'm sure it's a different car, but I didn't even know there was an aero package for the TT until I saw that dog. Haven't seen another since either. So two cars with the same non-typical color combo and rare aero package? Coincidences do happen...
If this car has a Virginia registration (in the DC area) in the last year or two (we register for 2years) I would get a trusted and hard PPI done to it first. If this is the same car, it's likely a giant train wreck (like that 40th AE fiasco we saw come through and blow up in the buyer's face level train wreck).
Edit: Found the VIN for the one I looked at, this wasn't it. If you find
WP0AB29942S685509
I suggest a very detailed PPI (assuming it has a new owner that will let you PPI it!).
This one is down the road from me (actually I think it may even be in my neighborhood based on the pics...). If someone wants a Rennfax with Durametric read out, PM me to coordinate something.
Yeah for the miles and tip that feels a bit high to me. It appears to look good for the miles though.
I could also do a Rennfax on this one for an interested party, but it is a bit out of the way.
Next time you do a Rennfax in the area let me know, I might tag along - two 996s turning up to check out the vehicle might have a suitably intimidating effect on the seller (and price)
Hello Rennlisters,
Newbie here. Long time Porsche fan, looking to expand the stable with a 996.2. Of the cars currently for sale in the Bay Area there are a couple that caught my eye in particular.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/5699415964.html
2004 C2, 97k miles, 6 speed, 2 owners asking $20k
Still on the original clutch and IMS/RMS.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto/5695962065.html
2004 C2, 84k miles, 6 speed, 1 owner, asking $20k
I have not been able to reach the owner yet so no idea whether the IMS has been addressed and/or clutch is still original.
Naturally I would let a qualified shop do a PPI before making a final decision but your thoughts would be greatly appreciated as well.
In the mean time,
here
is a picture of my Miata as a means of a friendly introduction.
^^^
Just bought my first Porsche over the weekend, a 1999 996...and I too am a former owner of not one, but two FI'd Miata's.
Both examples above look great...go drive them and check them out!
Mike
'00 996 EV conversion. I would actually be interested if it were drivable and priced a bit lower...
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto/5710151883.html
Attack of the Smurfs!!!
That is something, but as modded cars go that's not too bad in my opinion. The faux CF seats are the only thing that really concern me. The rest I'm not opposed to other than the 50HP K&N upgrade, but that's easy enough to fix.
Yes I actually like the blue
Guess the bling worked on me then as I missed that
Yeah that does kinda kills it. Maybe $17k with good proof that it was nothing serious (structurally) and/or was repaired correctly. Without solid proof, $15k tops I'd say.
Speaking of rebuilt & blue, this car was up for sale in January asking $33,000 by Rennlister Cardsrule, now it's at a used car dealership in Phoenix asking $26,500.
https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...-000-firm.html
Don't know if Cardsrule is still the seller - looks like he's listed several cars for sale on Rennlist over the past few years, so he may have a dealer's license (I have one, so not hatin' on him). But, if I were thinking seriously about a 996tt and didn't have to have a virgin, unmolested model, I'd think seriously hard about this one. At that price, you could always stick it on Copart (the online insurance auction) and get your money back if you didn't like it.
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=146809740
This would be great if you can get if for around $12k as new lithium battery packs will be $3-$4k. Seems to be a quality build using top shelf parts.
It doesn't mention anything though about AC and Heat.
This may be earlier in this mega-thread, but what tool are you guys using to search bunches of craigslist sites for these vehicles. Are they any good, or do you get a lot of non p-cars filtered into results because of keyword spam?
Depends on the specs meaning how much power/mileage you wanna get out of it and what kind of components you use, but you can easily get into $20k territory with an EV conversion.
I will say the conversion being sold uses high quality top shelf parts including the Warp motor and the Zilla controller.
There's already a member that's detailed his build here:
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...-my-996-a.html
I'm going to be doing a "budget" CRX conversion sometime.
You have to shift it but not as much since EV motors have instant torque. One can basically keep it in first or second most of the time around town for example and not have to worry about using the clutch off the line.
Does anyone else get suspicious when the IMS bearing was replaced 400 miles ago and now it's up for sale?
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/5698487950.html
Unless they can provide solid evidence that it was done to Jake's standards (e.g. a certified installer), then this car is best avoided.
I'd almost bet this is a case of metal was showing up in the oil or the found a dead bearing when they went to do a proactive swap.
Could be the guy is completely honest and something has changed that is forcing him to sell it so soon, but there are too many "I bought a car that just had it's IMSB replaced" horror stories for me to take that gamble.
Well it is a '99 so there could be a good chance the engine is good and the owner just did it proactively to sell since it's harder these days to sell something with an original IMS bearing.
Can't exactly say the same for single row models which end up being done sometimes in a reactive mode, especially if being sold 400 miles later.
If the oil does have the 400 miles on it though, one should be able to inspect the oil/filter as part of the PPI as that could be enough miles to reveal any metal shedding.
Ahem...
I agree it could be nothing, but to me it's a giant red flag complete with sirens and fireworks. I would walk on by unless there was something that really appealed to me about that specific car and even then I'd have the PPI go so deep they'd scratch it's teeth from the backside
This is exactly why I personally would pay more for a factory IMSB rather than upgraded car (sans certified installer level evidence). Then you know without question what the state is.
I think this is going to be the trend in 996 buying shortly as we see more and more retrofitted cars dying early deaths more and more due to lack of prequal or questionable installation, etc.
so let me get that.
according to your logic, people are willing to pay more money on a car with a non addressed issue, just so they can spend more money to address the issue, just so when they are going to sell the car, they are going to lose more money just because they addressed the issue
Just to be clear, I don't think people will pay more, but instead people will seek out those unmolested cars as they would have the work done themselves and know it's been done correctly rather than taking a chance on sub par or unfavorable conditions on why/how IMS retrofit was done in the first place.
"Certified" is Jake's own pick and ones that's passed his tests and code of conduct. "Preferred" is anyone willing to pay Jake to have their name on a list. At least that's my understanding.
I'm probably in the minority that I would pay more.
I also don't believe that the IMSB is as big of a problem as the hype suggests (it's a problem, but it's often mis-blamed which inflates the numbers).
The reality is that any modification gets its cost back at resale.
At the end of the day it is all a gamble so it's about hedging your bets. I'll bet on an original bearing with a good PPI far more than a I will an example like this with no clear reliable documentation on the swap.
It simply comes down to knowing the health of the motor at the time of the swap. Unfortunately a bad few have tarnished for all.
Neither is the guy that did mine, but I trust his work and advice.
Yes by my own logic that means I should lose money when we sell it, but since we've had it since new and I'm looking a sinking a full paint job into it it's a pretty safe bet it's not going anywhere
I would also pay more for an unmolested dual row designed by a multi-billion dollar famed car company than some retrofit from who knows where? I'm sure Porsche did tons of endurance (hundreds of thousands of actual and simulated miles) testing on the 986/996 prototypes during original engine development. The single rows I have no opinion on, but I would definitely prefer the original dual rows that have a less than 5% failure rate over any retrofit.
I wouldn't go that far. Like all companies (especially ones on the brink of financial ruin), Porsche cut corners and used cheaper options in some places. It's pretty well proven that a sealed bearing was a poor application here and going to a smaller bearing is also questionable.
It's really about being able to make the choice for yourself (and sticking with the factory bearing is a perfectly valid option) and if you do replace it, getting to know the whys, hows, and wherefores of it.
By the time the single row was being designed to replace the double row in these engines (circa 2000), Porsche was already the most profitable car company in the world on a unit basis. The single rows wasn't designed for the purposes of extracting another $5 in profits. The break even on that project would never work. The single rows surely was a design flaw, but it wasn't because of money.
I would pay a premium for the factory original double row over any retrofit for the simple reason that it's proven. Not a single retrofit has gone over 100,000 miles or maybe even 50,000 miles. What retrofit company had a fleet of test mules racking up 100,000+ miles on the road and in the lab like the original 986/996 double row development? Yeah, None.
Here's something you don't see every day ... the ultra-rare 2001 Cab with the 3.4 liter V8. And factory running boards.
http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/cto/5739573863.html
A quick Google of the VIN shows the car in a Copart auction with mechanical damage. Maybe that's when the running boards were installed ;-)
Yea, it's seems too good to be true. Makes you wonder if something up with the engine. But it's a screaming good deal if the car passed a PPI. I don't like the subwoofer mounted at the passenger side footwell. My wife would be the first to dig her heels into it or kick the *sheet* out of it for spite. ha! Weird the installing would put it there because it looks to have the door subs unless they were removed. Anyway, I would love to have the white gauge cluster. Sharp car overall especially at that price, but again, have a trusted PPI done on the car or the next owner may be toting a roller. ekkkkk!
Those are mids in the door, not subs. In the MkI the sub option came in the passenger footwell, but it was mounted on the transmission tunnel as I recall. It was later with the addition of the Bose option that the sub moved to blend into the rear shelf.
^^ are you're positive about that gnat? I've worked with quite a few Mk1 owners that had the 10 speaker/6 ch "Hifi and/or DSP" option and the bass enclosures were in the door panels. In the Mk2 Bose option, the bass enclosure was mounted on the "trans tunnel" just under the passenger footwell for the Cabriolet. On the Carrera coupes, the Bose Bass reflex housing was located behind the rear seats.
Maybe its the cab's mounting that i'm thinking of in the foot well. Thought all MkIs had that though.
The ones that came out of our doors when i replaced the system were just mids, though they were boxed like you would expect for subs. The lack of decent low range was one of the reasons I had the system rebuilt.
First off, welcome.
Now on to the car. Quite low miles but a new clutch? There are only 2.4x10^17 gray/silver 996s out there, but if it tunes your piano seems like a good one. Well cared for in pics anyway.
Best advice I always give is - wait for what you really want. If you want gray, then get gray. If you want M030 sport pkg then get it. If you want a Tip then get that. This is your pride and joy to own and drive, get what you want, and don't settle.
Asking price is right for that mileage, may knock a grand off, may not. No harm either way, purchase price is just the admission to the club. Dues will be collected regularly!
I think you missed this:
"2002 Porsche 911 79400 miles. 28,000 miles on engine."
So...seller's got some 'splainin' to do, Lucy.
Like, rebuilt engine? Brand new from crate? Donor?
Why yes sir, I did indeed miss that bit. So as we say in the beer commercial WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZZZZZZZZZUUUUUUUUUPPPPPPPPPPPPPP?
Most likely one of the few with a IMS bearing issue resolved by replacing the engine. Grab up the engine data plate code and post it here, we can tell if it's a factory repl or a field repair. But still, 80k miles and a new clutch - I guess is the new norm for those who don't know what the third pedal does!
Ok, i've been looking at 997's and 991's, and hunting for something that is ruby red or aqua blue... and this one came up in Minneapolis.
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ra...717926066.html
What do I need to check out to make sure engine doesn't need IMS still? Any other things I should look at? Not sure I will do a 996, but it sure is pretty.
My fancy 911 Craigslist search tool I made has made finding these cars pretty easy to check on each week--would share the URL for the tool via PM for anybody interested.
Ask what IMS it is, the condition when it was replaced, and who did the work. If it was an LN Engineering retrofit there should be a sticker on the car somewhere to document it. If not enough details can be provided to prove everything was done correctly, it'd be worth pulling out the bearing to check.
Very pretty car though, and if the owner is willing to negotiate, a good price too.
Full eng replacement means is has the single row ball bearing IMS which is the highest failure rate of all. Doesn't mean it's bad or wil go bad, but something to keep in mind if you want the peace of mind. The LN solution is a good $2500 of parts and labor from a shop. One can DIY but it's not for the week of knees. FActor that in when you shop. Sure is purtee.
Depends on when. If it got the standard 02-04 M96, then yeah it's the worst of the bunch. If it got the post-997 version with the captured larger bearing then it has a lower failure rate on par with the dual row.
So as they say, timing is everything.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/5713431477.html
This is pretty. Lovely colour, factory aero, good looking interior (painted console!), Sport Classic IIs. Don Wise Autowerks is legit, too, so it should be pretty well maintained. If I was still in the market...
Hard top for "911 conv" ... No pics, but at $250, worth following up on if you're in the NY/NJ area and looking for one:
http://newyork.craigslist.org/jsy/pts/5752461736.html
2001 Porsche 911 996 Stock Mufflers & Tips
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/n...726000307.html
Dunno what the core charge is from eg Fister, but for $150 these seem a pretty good deal.
Hey, help me out here--my 996 engine was replaced in late 2006 and I was always under the impression that the failure rate for these was on the low end. Is that what you're saying?
As 06 was the first full year of the larger captured version you have a pretty good chance of having the better bearing.
I suppose there could be an old stock reason for you to have the smaller single row in the replacement, but I wouldn't lay money on that being the case.
The sure way to know is to look at the nut the next time the transmission is apart. The captured bearing has a clearly larger nut.
That's actually a GREAT deal if the mufflers are some good aftermartket brand. From the pics, those are clearly aftermarket mufflers and not factory mufflers. No need for Fisters if you get these.
We talked about
this poor ME in Harrisburg
back on page 126. It's now on eBay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/131922506195
with the delicious revelation that the CEL is on.
Do I hear $10K? Seven and a half?
That is intriguing. It looks like the violet chromaflair color, but in 99. It has nav, but not sure if it's factory, despite what the seller says. 4 spoke wheel, and unmolested. Heck of a price.
No that was a ME specific color. As I understand it they wouldn't even allow it as a PTS option after the fact.
I forget the name, but it was a factory purple option and it seems to be pretty rare. I did get the chance to see one in person and I think it is a stunning color. it can be VERY purple in strong sun light and I expect that turns most people off.
I expect the price is due to the color and milage. If you like the color and it checks out otherwise it looks like a great deal though.
Chromaflair would look darker, or perhaps even greenish in bright sunlight. I think that's Viola Metallic? Nice looking car - litronics too.
The PCM1 is interesting to have but largely useless. I tend to switch the map on for a laugh though
Thank you. Was wondering if it was the ME color, apparently not. I like non-standard colors on the 911, so I found it interesting. Still seems like a good price, but I understand a lot of people like gray/silver/black. A lot of people....
Have we had this one already?
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/n...746220830.html
C4S for under $21K. Six month warranty for those with IMS neuroses.
I suppose it depends on where they're driving ... seems like a lot of stop-and-go could kill a clutch.
That said, I agree with you -- I bought my car with just under 60k, and the clutch was shot. New clutch kit and flywheel were part of the purchase. No idea how the PO killed both in only 60k, but lousy driving was probably part of the answer.
I think that guy and myself have differing opinions on what plenty of remaining tread life means...
The one that is t-boning the other looks to be pretty close to the wear bars.
I've certainly driven on worse, but I'm certainly not paying to do so!
It does sound very Trumpish to me too but in my experience most of shops that cater to latino's don't really do a good job of paying attention to the fine details that a car like this deserves sometimes.
Majority of these dealerships are not in wealthy neighborhoods and those demographic people are generally looking for the cheapest price they can find and not necessarily the best quality. Ever look at some of these cars at these lots before? I wouldn't be surprised if that 996 has 4 different brands of tires on there of varying tread depth.
Yes it sounds like a huge generalization and stereotype but it is what it is.
BTW, majority of my friends are latino's and I'm also a minority so I'm far from being like Trump. Ask any of my latino homeys and they'll say the same thing. lol
The 996's are coming out of the woods in Chicago.....this one doesn't have many options but sport seats. 99 with 95K miles, $16.2K
http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/5761547539.html
And I don't think anybody posted this 99 with 90K miles....lots of mods, but probably not for most of us.
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/5722556699.html
And here was the last 99 from Chicago....76K miles, $14.9K. Doc will like all of these cars with the four spoke steering wheels.
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/cto/5748043756.html
https://www.carstory.com/detail/2001-porsche-911-naples_fl-WP0CA29961S653235
https://www.carstory.com/detail/1999-porsche-911-lebanon_tn-WP0CA2995XS650626
I am very new at all of this, so your expert opinions on these two 911s would be fantastic. Thanks y'all!
The 99 feels about 2-3k high to me, maybe even more. Other than the wheels, CD player, and leather seats I'm not seeing any options jump out at me. That is about as base of a car as you can find. It looks good in the pics, but that is also clearly a dealer that knows how to clean a car up and get the best pictures.
The 01 seems like a more appropriate price as it has the Xenon lights, more leather, and the 3 spoke wheel that most people like over the 4 spoke in that 99 (I like the 4 spoke myself). The color of the seats/armrests/airbag covers/steering wheel are bugging me though. There are effectively two colors in that car (and not in the deviating color option sort of way) and while I'm not familiar with the light colored interiors, that just doesn't look right to me.
There is also a larger gap between the frunk and bumper on the 01 which indicates that the skin was off and not put back on quite right. It could just be that it was off to clean the radiators or something else mundane, or it could have been off due to an accident. Just something that should be looked at closely by someone that knows the 996.
Personally I would save my money and get the more affordable Boxster if you are looking for a mk1('99-'01) convertible as most will think it's a Boxster anyways. That way you don't have to correct someone everytime they refer to it as a Boxster.
I'm honestly not looking for tons of options and super fancy. This will be my DD, so I am more concerned with a competitive price and reliability about all. The only mods I could see myself doing are possibly a change to a 3-spoke wheel and the sound system for sure, but I have done car audio work before, so that's not a huge deal. Do you think I could negotiate it down to 16k-17k, using the potential need for a new clutch, RMS, and IMS since I didn't see any mention of those having been done?
https://www.carstory.com/detail/2000...CA2995YS654144
Also why is this one so cheap? I am a big fan of getting a color other than black or gray and I like the tan interior, but this feels off price-wise.
I would love to go that route (I am coming from a Miata so I love that feel), but I really need a car with four seats. That is one of the main reasons I am looking to upgrade, but I still want the convertible sporty feel.
Some you may not be actively looking for, but you will really appreciate if you get them.
The big two are a full leather interior. All the complaints of a "cheap" interior are about the non-leather cars like that 99. We've had our 01 since new and I never understood why people complained about the 996 interior. Then I sat in one that wasn't full leather and it all made sense. Just to be confusing there are multiple levels of "full leather", but basically the more leather it has the happier you will be.
The Xenon headlights are also a massive step up over he Halogens. Quite literally night and day.
If it was a private sale, sure I'd say that is a fair price. From a dealer though, who knows. Some are willing to deal, others not so much.
As far as the IMSB, certainly use it as a negotiating point if it helps, but it will have a dual row in there. Many of us wouldn't mess with that if you don't have to. Take questions about that to other threads though as we don't want this to be yet another IMSB thread
Nothing jumps out at me so I'd say it seems like a really good deal, but given the price I'd want to get a good through PPI done as I agree it feels low.
Notice the leather coloring in that one vs the 01 you posted earlier. That's why something seems off to me about the 01's interior.
Ummm... Maybe a Cayenne would be better then if you want to stay in the Porsche family.
Those back seats are for insurance purposes and cramming an actual person back there is considered cruel and unusual punishment in 36 states and a felony in the other 36.
Seriously though, adults don't go back there nicely. I have ridden in the back seat for a 30 mile trip. That was 12 years ago and I still haven't forgiven my wife or her mother. That was in the comparatively roomy Coupe too, the Cab has less space due to the roof mech.
I am leaning toward that 01 right now, so is there anything I should focus on or ask for in a PPI since I know very little about the mechanics of this car?
Also I seem to be a little confused on the whole IMS situation, namely the single row, double row, LN retrofit, etc. Which model years have the single, which have the double, and which ones do I need to worry about/think about replacing? Sorry to ask so many questions, but this is all extremely helpful. And thank you so much for your quick replies and information!
Typically when asked people can provide shop recommendations for a good PPI and sometimes you'll find locals willing to do a Rennfax (they go look at it for/with you).
So are most people as there is a lot of information (good and bad) and it's hard to sift through. There are plenty of threads that cover all those questions that you should read up on, but the short answer is:
1) Dual row bearings have the lowest failure rate and give you the most warning (e.g. shedding metal) before catastrophic failure. All 99s with their original motors have the dual row. Its a gamble if any given 00 or 01 has a dual or the small single.
2) In the 00 models a single row variant of the bearing showed up which continued through the 04 MY. These bearings have the highest failure rate. The time between it shedding metal and the catastrophic failure is such that you have to be lucky to catch it in that state. 99s that had their motor replaced through the 04 MY got this version of the bearing.
3) In the middle of the 05 MY (997) they changed the bearing to a larger single row bearing. It has a failure rate that matches or betters the original dual row. 996s that had their motor replaced after the change got this version of the bearing. Other than the size, the notable feature of this bearing is that you cannot swap it without taking the motor apart.
4) You can't tell what bearing you have other than looking at it and the transmission has to come out for that.
5) Many failures are blamed on the IMSB, but it is likely that a full triage hasn't been done as the bearing is the first failed part that is seen and getting to the actual root cause of the failure makes no difference at that point.
6) There is no such thing as "caught it just in time". If you go to replace the bearing and find it is shedding metal, that means it has already failed. No amount of flushing the motor is going to help. The motor needs to be torn down and cleaned.
Back then I was 5' 10" and 130-ish lbs.
"IF YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT SERVICE HISTORY MOVE ON TO NEXT PORSCHE."
Price is very tempting for a 996.2 with under 100k miles. A PPI would be interesting.
Something doesn't look right about those seats. I like the combo, but that's not factory. I suspect that the seats are recovered rather than being factory leather from another car. Pics aren't good enough quality to be able to tell for sure though.
If I may just mildly disagree with this one point. A person with a full flow(no bypass) filter, and a magnetic drain plug plus a chip detector may, and I stress 'may'' be able to save it. The oil will need to be changed often, and the filter will need to be carefully inspected each time, along with the magnet but it's possible that the smallest of debris from the failure of the bearing will not completely trash the motor, and the oil circuit could indeed be flushed enough to survive. Yes, there are a lot of caveats involved, and it's a discussion for a separate thread, but this is my very humble opinion.
I'd have a hard time buying a car from FL since it has one of the most relaxed rules when it comes to title washing and retitleing, especially with all these natural disasters going on these days. You just never know.
And the fact that this car is being sold at a dealer under the going price makes it VERY suspicious IMO. Also note that the dealer with over 300 transactions with less than 98% feedback rating should also be looked into. The best dealers always have a 100% feedback from my experience.
Nope. Once metal has been shed there is no way to be sure you have gotten it all out. The items you suggest will keep it from recirculating, but it's already there and gone through the system. There are place in the motor where the metal will get trapped and hang out like a blood clot waiting to come loose at an unexpected time.
You
might
get lucky and none gets stuck, but you might also get struck by lightening 3 times in the same week. You just can't know without taking it apart and cleaning every nook and cranny.
If it happens to you, it's your motor and you can go the route you choose, but if you do what you suggest make sure you are clear about it when you sell the car on.
Makes you wonder why he's discounted it from the original $19,995 to $13,900. If it's such a great car, then someone would have bought it for $20K, but apparently someone noticed a problem. Plus, I see it's returned to auction three times this summer. Hmmmm??? (scratches head)
Wonder if anyone has a CarFax, that would be interesting.
I don't like what they'd did to the originality of the car, especially the fire red seat which is non-OEM, but people like to dress'm up and this is perfect example of someone going to far. To each his own I presume.
They had to dye the seats with a $100 leather dye to cover up some of the flood damage that this car had.
If you sit in those seats and sweat a lot, I wouldn't be surprised if you get some read stains on your shirt/pants.
Also cc'ing the VIN for future lookup:
WP0AA29972S621192
You're absolutely right! Seriously, if the seats weren't properly done by a professional, then more than likely they didn't have a sealant sprayed on after they were dyed. My wife would kill me! hahaha I can see it now, she getting it with her pretty white shirt and then getting out and noticing.... yikes!!!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...3D221893159607
Speed yellow/black with body kit. Not sure which wing this is? It's not the taco, so I guess aftermarket. Pretty clean looking. $21k ask.
Nice car for the price. The only problem is the rear Carrera logo needs to be moved to the lower section of the rear hood. Ok, I admit it... I'm nit picky. ha!
Very beautiful Cabriolet... the red aero package is nicely done... not overdone like many. I'm happy to see a red 996 with appropriate tan leather instead of the more common black or even the graphite grey interior. I don't like the older silver Kenwood, but that can be swapped out pretty easily. This is the dual row IMS 1999 and so you should be able to get many more years out of the car before swapping it out. At 18,500, it's a pretty darn good deal especially if the owner is willing to knock off a little more on the price. But you may also want to get a PPI since the owner has not posted the service history or any documentation.
Originally Posted by b3freak:
"I don't like what they'd did to the originality of the car, especially the fire red seat which is non-OEM, but people like to dress'm up and this is perfect example of someone going to far. To each his own I presume."
Are those seats even original? I've never seen one with red interior where the door panels don't match. Calipers have been painted red, which I like, but it looks like a quick job (no P decal either).
There is something fishy with this car. I wouldn't feel comfortable buying it, no matter the price. People keep moving on, so there must be a reason.
Porsche has a "boxster red" interior, but this fire red interior is definitely either aftermarket seat covers or a local upholstery install. Regardless, I agree, the car smells of dead fish and has tacky upgrades. I'd wouldn't give this car the time or day unless someone spent time putting it back to stock. IMHO.
Actually I kind of like the red seats, though a darker shade like the Boxster Red might look better. Gives it a nice pop, but no they are not factory and have been recovered.
Nothing jumps out at me just from the pics. I might be over in Arlington at the Rangers game on Wed, if you want a local check out. Can't do all the PPI stuff but I can have a look for obvious stuff and do the top test. For that mileage, and condition, if you want a cab with the hardtop, this is a deal at the price.
Hehehe,,, I kinda feel like a drug dealer; 'cmon man, just take a little hit. You know you want to, and it'll make ya feel soooooo good. Just one little taste and that's all, you can quit anytime.'
Engine in da back, what a hell of a concept
Dr. P sold the hype, you want to step in this?
Butzi, his life will never fade,
sliced like a Ginsu, sharper than any razor blade!
So fast, others say, "Shazam!!!"
If Porsche was a drug, they'd sell it by the gram!
Word to ya Mama Doc!
2007 Cayman with only 35,000 miles for $17,500 .... Where's Slakker???! Only negative... rebuilt title.
http://savannah.craigslist.org/cto/5755798857.html
Because you have bad taste, but we knew that already...
Yeah with a decent PPI to make sure there is no frame damage and that it was otherwise repaired decently that is a steal for buying a Porsche that you don't have to care about and just drive the snot out of it.
Hell even with a bit of frame damage if it's not too bad it would probably still make a great DD to bomb around with, just might preclude you from getting serious with it on the track.
If you could that would be fantastic! Thanks doc!
Let me know what you want/need from me (since this is the first time I've done this, this is all new to me
)
Everyone I've talked to says the difference is very significant. Most notably is the the increased power throughout the band, not just peak, and the how smooth the engine runs. You also end up with an engine that you don't have to worry about anytime in the near future as long as you follow their recommended maintenance schedule.
If true that seems like a steal to me. I'd love to get Jake's take on it, but something feels off to me.
It's supposed to be a Stage 1, but the only proof shown is the cert for the bearing replacement?
FSI cars are typically owned by people that want to keep them forever, so why is it up for sale?
I would also expect the typical FSI customer to have a much more detailed ad to reflect how much they love the car which also seems to be a common thread with their customers. Similarly, CL does not feel like where I would expect one to pop up.
There could be perfectly reasonable explanations to all that and the seller might be happy to provide the VIN so you can call FSI, but this feels to me like it had some work done at Jake's shop (bearing replacement?) and are milking the relationship.
A few clips from my emails with the seller. If anyone is interested in it I would be able to Rennfax it. The price is cheap but it's pretty close to what I would consider to be market value since FSI builds are a niche.
"I’ve been very pleased with the build, FSI is first class. Good question, I’ve been back and forth on the decision to sell. I had intentions of keeping the car for a lifetime, especially since the engine is now bullet proof. Right now, I have plans to redeploy those dollars to another project.....
You’ll be very happy with Jake, he is very thorough and transparent – he’s all business! For my engine, there is a noticeable difference in the power at 2ndgear. I am familiar with Rennlist, good idea. Thanks for the feedback on the price.
Feel free to reach out if you have more questions."
No prob, I reached out to the seller and we'll see how it goes. The Ranger game isn't until Thursday, so I'll try to get over there tomorrow. I'll post the inspection in a separate thread later.
Good thing this isn't the TT forum or you would have incurred the wrath of D(i)ck for that
Cool. I did say there could be reasonable explanations. I just get twitchy when I see a Unicorn appear
I suppose you are right about the price, but it still feels low. In 3 years of paying semi attention to the market, this is the first time I've seen a confirmed FSI come up on the market (I do know of 1 other that was sold without an ad ever being posted).
So while this is a great chance to get a well sorted motor without the wait, it's also not like there is another one that you'll find tomorrow. Just seems to me that there should be more of a premium on it, but I guess it still has the "but it's still just a 996" stigma that is hard to over come
Doesn't feel low to me depending on when he got it done. Remember FSI used to have lower prices before so it's definitely possible to take a $5k roller and add on a $20k engine package to it.
Ask Pete what he paid for his 997 FSI and I think you'll be surprised that even the 997 will be around the same ballpark with the 3.8 engine.
Glad I did not buy this example earlier in the year! Selling was asking $22k before the engine failure which I felt was too high. IMS had been done and it ran good back the. Scary.
http://southcoast.craigslist.org/cto/5782324188.html
Haven't we seen that motor in this thread before?
Who sells a working motor out of a 996? If you want to do a motor swap, sell the complete car and get a roller.
Yea, it does make you wonder why would he drop a supposedly "good motor" out of a 996 unless he's planning on doing something radical to the rest of the car or if there is something wrong that he doesn't want to admit or reveal. Agree.. it's fishy!
Slakker, you buy the car and I'll buy the wheels from you. Those are the Carrera IV 18" wheels. That's what I've been looking for, but haven't found a good deal yet. Carrera III are ok, but the IV version is better IMHO.
Ya, we missed an opportunity there. Good find on your part. I just couldn't even think about buying another one right but it would have been a money maker.
Yea, I know... you got too many 996 irons in the fire at the moment, but it was worth a try. I was hoping you'd need the engine or other parts. As you know, I bought those Carrera II type wheels, but have decided to keep looking for the IV version because that's really what I want. There was a guy that listed some in Atlanta, but I couldn't get him to meet because he was in the midst of moving. He pulled the listing and so I'm assuming someone hooked up with him and bought them on the spot. They were a steal at only $600 a set and they had tires on them. Easy come, easy go.
Haha, I've messaged the seller on eBay, not sure if it will go through after the listing expires.
the eBay listing had Carrera III's. There is an RL listing for IV's but they are in So Cal and don't want to separate the tires.
Wow... If I had $10k laying around I might be inclined to take a shot at this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...m=222255349814
I've looked at cars on this lot several times and they are busy all the time... Seller is a wholesaler who mostly sells to local indy lots. They move a ton of cars, some good and some bad... Car won't last there for very long.
I know this is the 996 forum, but this is worth a look just so you can experience the same WTF moment I did.. LOL
A $20k, I expect this one will be available a good long while...
http:/tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5789566887.html
It's actually been used. THE HORROR!!!
There is no reason at 100k that car is ready to fall apart, but go post it in the TT forum for some real entertainment...
1. High mileage
2. Automatic
3. Dealer calls it a Carrera (bing!) and says it's a "one owner" but he Carfax states 4 owners (bing bing!)
4. Looks rode hard and put up wet
5. Some weird mods - i.e. aftermarket radio, older turbo twists, center dash switch panel (what is that?) Makes you wonder what the last owner did to the engine.
however, if this car would pass a PPI, then it would be a great deal.
I gave this one no credit after I read this line...
"INCLUDING PORSCHE EXCLUSIVE DEPT AIR SLATS"
It's probably a normal scam. Seems like I've seen this image in other craigslist postings in my area.
It's got some Guards Red parts so I know someone that would probably be interested...
Is it me or do some of the "vents" (?) on the bottom of the bumper and at the front of the fender look photoshopped in?
It's definitely something though. Not quite sure what that something is, but it is something...
My body guy says he can fix this. He's worked on almost a dozen Porsches and he's pretty good. Prices are cheap too, but he works very slow.... If it were closer and not black, I'd grab it up.
I'm constantly amazed at how little effort some people put in automobile listings... No mention of service history and only one lame pic.
These are the type of listings that can go either way... you can get lucky and find a diamond in the rough or (more likely) end up looking at a turd in the mud.
Yea, the leather dash should be repaired before it gets worse. Easy DIY project.
Love the color, but would be better matched up with tan leather interior and what the heck was the owner thinking with those headlight masks??? I know the 996 headlights have been heavily criticized by the 911 community, but why make it look like hooker's cheap makeup job and use those plastic cutouts? I guess to some, they're the proverbial brown paper bag. I happen to like the OEM look. IMHO.
I too hate the fake bug eyes, but that instance has to be the best implementation I've seen. Usually they stand out like a sore thumb, but those actually blend well.
They'd still need to go though.
The "nicest Porsche 911 in Iowa" is back on eBay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/131958395163?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
In all fairness to the seller, he seems to be more upfront about the damage and repair in his description; plus, he's starting the auction off low with no reserve. Hope he sells it, but it would still be a good idea to post the Copart picture before the repair.
Your thoughts?
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/o...ationFlag=true
This one has a "Wailtail". There is no indication in the add why the spoiler makes so much noise. Maybe it has something to do with the "rocket" transmission.
... SUEDE HEADLINER,
POWER WAILTAIL
, POWER MOONROOF, 6 SPD ROCKET TRANSMISSSION....
A W-H-A-L-E tail is one thing. A W-A-I-L tail is something else completely. I am just not sure what.
hahahaha... oh I got ya, the dealer put that in the description. I wondered why it was spelled "wail" instead of the correct "whale". Guess the seller is implying that when you attempt to lift the spoiler, it malfunctions thereby causing you to "wail" in pain. hahaha
Ha... those exchanges from other RL members (including myself) were tough at times, but necessary IMHO. It's unfortunate, because the seller could have sold the car with full disclosure and kindness. But it seems he was very defensive and condescending to those making appropriate technical comments and asking practical questions about the condition of his 996. To say it when south, is putting it mildly. ha!
Regardless, I hope he sells it because frankly, it looks like a decent restoration, but I'd still recommend a thorough PPI to rule out any future issues.
Nowhere else I have seen a few uneducated "experts" opinions treated like gospel.
Where a persons comments can be completely misconstrued. (for instance the quote was explaining that the engine/transmission were not damaged when the car was hit "As the owner of this car, I can tell you that the rear impact only effected the rear quarter panel, well over a foot away from the engine and transmission." )
The libel in this thread costs honest people tens if not hundreds of thousands dollars. 99% of the time the "opinions" in this thread are from people who have never seen a car in person, yet are compelled to post negative "opinions" about said car.
b3freak, I also recommend deleting all posts/pictures related to the libelous information as I am reporting this thread. This thread cost my car selling unfairly and unjustly in the past and I am not going to sit idly by and have it happen again.
And he's back without first picking up a clue along the way
Please do come back and let us know after you pay a lawyer a good deal of money to tell you that you don't know what libel is.
The entire purpose of this thread is to give honest opinions based on the information presented. In the case of your car it did that quite effectively by debunking your outrageous claims and uncovering
true
information that you preferred was kept from any potential buyer.
Quoted for posterity since you suggest others delete their posts:
Well dude, you may have a case to "cleanse the thread" of the exchanges (that's up to the RL admins), but I wouldn't go that far as to say you were libeled or slandered in any way. This is a technical forum... period. We're going to discuss the good, bad, and ugly when 996 cars pop up on Craigslist, eBay, and other internets markets. When we see something that's questionable, then we point it out and discuss it. But I wouldn't continue to insult RL members as "uneducated" either, because that's what really started this whole mess with you in the first place. Personally, I think the thread was within the rules of RL. The admins were watching and nothing else was removed that I can remember. The only slander was you doing it to yourself by making outrageous claims about your car and when another RL member ran the VIN and found the Co-Part photos, you came unglued. Why? Because you didn't want the truth (in pictures) to be known to potential buyers because it could hurt your sell, right? Thank goodness buyers have resources like CarFax, AutoCheck and the internet in general. It has leveled the playing field.
I'll let others chime in, but regardless, I hope you sell it for fair market value based on the true history of the car.
Please stop shilitting in this thread. This is for CL/ebay/kijji etc car ads.
Bargain of the century here.
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/5788847487.html
Speed yellow cab, low miles with HT. Only thing is black int and 3 spoke wheel. Guess I could swap it!
Let's drop it please. Enough has been said and the mods closed the thread for awhile to keep it from spinning out of control like it did back in June. It got reopened though, so let's not go off the rails here please.
There are obviously some personality conflicts, but he is trying to sell what appears to be a good car. If it passes a good PPI that confirms quality repairs I still think it was a good deal at the original $15k and it's a steal at $10k.
I agree, excellent value on that yellow one. I will be out there next weekend if anyone need somebody to take a look at it. If it was a coupe, I would consider it for myself.
I know this is the watercooled 996 forum, but I couldn't resist the temptation of sharing this Air Cooled Purple People Eater with you guys. I thought these kind of body kits were cool back in the 80's and early 90's.
Now, not so much:
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5799042906.html
IA '99 aero w/ 45k miles went for 14.9k. That's probably a $24k car minimum on BAT without the salvage title. But probably priced about right with it. I was going to go up 12k, sell the motor and aero, and keep the tub for spare track parts.
I'm glad he sold it so that we all can move on. As I said in other posts, the car was worth every penny at $10K and even a good deal for $15K IMHO, but that's not the reason I jumped in the argument in the first place. It was Aero's attitude towards other members of the 996 forum. It all started with him attacking Gnat for his "horrible seats" comment and then making a potential eBay buyer feel guilty for asking reasonable questions. No one likes a condescending seller. Personally, Aero could be a really cool dude who just happened to get all worked up over his car that he spent a small fortune on restoring, but that doesn't give him a free pass to insult people or make people feel stupid for discussing the car at face value. It sold for the fair market value. Good for him.
I'm with trendy!
I don't like the aftermarket bumper or the tiptronic tranny, but my biggest problem with this car is the last owner. I don't get the whole "lets-try-to-make-it-look-like-a-GT3" thing! I know the formal term is "tribute" or "replica", but why????! Put the dam aero kit on it, but DON'T be fake and badge it up to make it something it's not!!!
This is no different to me than the people that buy fake Rolex watches and claim they're real. I'd rather wear a real Timex, than a fake Rolex any day!
Ok, I'll get off my soap box now. hahaha
What is it with these replica/tribute GT3 cars with the dumb *** GT3
RS
badging?
No such beastie in the 996.
$12k for that car isn't optimistic. It's not even ludicrous. They've gone plaid!
Itried to buy the red 996 turbo , they guy told me i was first on the list, and I explained to him I would fly in two days later and drive it home, he even offered to pick me up at the airport... when I called him back with my flight details he informed me he had just sold it! I said yeah.. to me, he said, no to anther guy from my same state.
what a nice guy , My no refundable flight cost me $496.00...
That sucks! I've had some similar circumstances a few times and was plenty pissed. And I wasn't even out any money. I will no longer believe sellers when it matters without a bill of sale and a down payment.
If the seller really thinks he's going to get $35,000 for it, I recommend he spit in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up first.
I never though the 996 Millennium version was that special. You'd think they'd at least add a aero side skirts and a aero front bumper, but a part from a few tasteful exclusive interior options, I see nothing special about it. Now on the other hand, the 996 AE is awesome.
FTFY
It's definitely an under appreciated car and I don't think they'll get close to that (especially with that ad).
MAYBE
on BaT, but not CL.
It was a good package deal and we almost took one while waiting on her car's build slot. She wanted black and they wouldn't allow you to build it with the Aerokit, so we kept waiting and got the car exactly how she wanted it.
It wouldn't be hard to twist my arm for a ME as our 2nd, but that price doesn't remotely match what other decent ones have sold for in the last 6 months. Unfortunately people either love or hate the color and that kills it's buyer pool.
http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/ctd/5819390467.html
40th Anniversary, X51 car, looks a bit neglected (headlights)
debadged / rebadged in the rear
aaaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh !!!!
the car from hell !!
I like the ME better than the AE...it's not even that I hate the AE color - it's just not dissimilar enough from the eleventy million Arctic Silver 986's, 996's, 987's, 997's, and Caymans (Caymen?) out there. I know they had to go with a classic Porsche color for the 40AE, but...
The wheels are off-putting on the ME, in my opinion.
Here's a bone-stock '99 cab going for $28K. Be interested to see if it sells...it's been there for a month now.
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/5792095897.html
Damn, then I see one like this 2001 going for $20K and have the urge to buy a spare.
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/cto/5827191928.html
And if you're a betting man, how 'bout a '99 for $6500?
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/5821732602.html
You don't want to pay $32k for yellowed headlights and sagging tail pipes?
Sounds like a generally clean car, but I don't see $30k there. Especially for a cab going into the cold season.
Hope they can get it though
I especially like this line in his description:
"A
ll critical original Porsche 996 engine parts (those which typically fail in 5% of 996 models with 20,000 to 60,000 miles on the odometer, such as Porsche's RMS (rear main seal), IMS (Intermediate Shaft Bearing), AOS (Air/Oil Separator) were all inspected and found to be in good condition. "
AVOID AVOID AVOID!!!
This is the POS 40th Anniversary Car from HELL! Leon dumped it after numerous problems, now it resurfaced.
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...ally-sold.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...aust-pipe.html
https://www.google.com/search?q=WP0A...3htD7SWuOMM%3A
VIN:
WP0AA29924S621068
Per Leon: Vin is
WP0AA29924S621068
, it was missing AE edition both badges so I don't have the number for AE
Hmmm... Pictures taken with it parked in the middle of the road. Could it maybe have been waiting on a flat bed?
Looks to have the GT3/Aero front bumper. I don't recognize the winglet on back (definitely not OEM).
Lights are horribly yellow and the driver seat is pretty worn (but both I think reasonable for the milage and location (assuming it did a lot of sitting in the hot FL sun).
Assuming my lead in joke doesn't have a ring of truth it looks like a good car for the price. Needs some love in a few places, but the price seems to take that into account.
It sounds nice, though when a dealer makes a clear effort to not show the miles, one can only presume that they are way up there. Still, it does say new clutch and IMS...
http://www.baycitymotors.net/?clrd=m...hYo0EseMDYFQ==
That car has been up for a while, I don't think I trust that listing at all. Lapis Blue C4S at that price don't stick around long. Gotta be something wrong with it.
Somebody talk me out of this one. Running Boxster with high miles but fresh paint for $6,000 asking. Guards red over black. 6 speed. Just about half an hour away.
http://lawrence.craigslist.org/cto/5855201960.html
What the hell is with that bumper?
If you get it and those turn out to be the 18" glossy turbo look wheels, let me know if they are in good shape and you don't want them. Maybe we can make a deal
A deal being that you send them to me for the cost of shipping and I'll put them in a corner and never use them...
Seriously though, I may be interested in them.
I may just get a wild hair and go see it. For $6,000, figure really $5,500, you couldn't get hurt too bad even if the engine gives up the ghost right after.
Bumper looks interesting - kind of like a crewcut on a chick.
We'll see on the wheels - my guess is that with 149,000 miles, they might have a smidge of curb rash.
Soon, soon, my office will get painted and I'll post a pic of my planned wall o' Porsche. (Assuming the mods don't decree that pic as too racy)
I've been on the hunt for the right 996 for a while now, so I've seen this car available for sale for a couple months. It has around 130k miles. It seems the dealer thinks the mileage is scaring people off...
Keep lookin! If it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is. Not trying to be a downer, but I willing to bet this one may have some serious engine issues. The only way to minimize the "I-told-you-so" peeps, is to get an thorough PPI. All the best!
Yeah, and for good reason. Some m96s go a few hundred thousand miles before letting go, but many seem to die before 200k.
$23k is a lot for a 996 shell with a 130k m96 engine. $14k is more fair given the risk of engine failure*
*I'm a giant hack, so feel free to ignore my opinion.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto/5860278129.html
Something you don't see everyday.
As battery technology matures, this could be a viable option in the next 10 years for 996 owners!
Thanks! There is a car for sale currently that has piqued my interest. I just need to move my current car first.
So as not to derail the thread - this isn't the color combo for me, but this car looks super clean, manual, low mileage, good price:
https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/ctd/5840318465.html
That's the deal you need snag! That 1999 has the endorsed by Slakker here on Rennlist;therefore, it's the ONLY 996 to buy!
hahaha j/k
Seriously, the '99 model is the one you want if the original owner didn't swap out the IMS. Because the OEM bearing the most proven and durable with it's dual-row design. This car should give you many more years of joy.
I think this is a gem and if I had $17K sitting around, I'd jump on this deal.
Oh yea!
With the gray/black ends on the dash and the smaller tail pipes, that looks like one of the very early '99s, which Jake Raby always mentions as the 996 which is practically guaranteed to have a double row IMSB and also least prone to that failure.
Too bad it's not to your color taste. That's great mileage, too. Worth more of a look IMHO. If you go look at it, make note of the build date on the door sticker. Could be an early 1998 build date.
Yeah the shiny turbo look wheels on ettil's finally grew on me about the time we replaced them with the Carrea IIs, but I still wish I could convince her to put those wheels on it. The only better look, I think, is the dark blue MkI with those wheels and the aerokit.
If it wasn't for the transmission I might consider importing it as it's almost a twin of ettil's (black super full leather interior).
Thanks for the advice. Jaetee as well. IMO the dark blue paint and the chrome wheels make the car look a little dated, although I haven't seen the car in person. The wheels are easy enough to replace - the paint not so much. Besides, after many months of searching through ads I've commited to finding an early aero car. The ad TonyTwoBags posted is just more confirmation!
Sooooo anyone here want to help me out and buy a 2012 Mustang V6 Premium/Performance pack? Maybe for your kid/uncle/neighbor/dog?
So, new to this site but I am looking for a 996. Came across this one:
http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/5864116850.html
Called about the salvage title, the guy says it is only due to the rear rim. Says he got the car that way. I suspect it hit a curb and bent the frame. So a no go, but very low miles and black on black.
Sub 35k on the clock and less than $13k firm?
A damaged rim will not total these cars. There is something seriously wrong with this picture or the seller is a complete idiot that knows nothing about 911s. Typically the idiots run high though as they don't understand the 996 stigma and just see a 911.
My vote is RUN from this car unless you can handle a giant mess.
Too bad on your color choice. This looks like a steal. I would opine that the black/gray/silver cars are going to lose most value over time. Just too many. The exotic colors(dark blue not really being exotic) are going to hold value better, just because they are more rare.
Well, when a seller doesn't post the VIN for research and then tells you it was only caused by a damaged rear rim, you should run, not walk away from the sale. We all know that when an insurance company salvages a car, it can mean serious damage that ranges from high impact wrecks, floods, or even severe mechanical damage. Some of these things can be repair and restored, but if this car was damaged to the point of salvage, I'd want to see the CarFax report and trace the VIN to see if there are images available online. It's pretty amazing how many times our RL community has dug up salvage images on Copart just by googling the VIN number.
Anyway, see the image below... This OEM turbo twist wheels can be replaced from Porsche for about $800 each, IMHO no insurance company on the planet is going to salvage a car for just one rim. But what gets me, is the person is driving a Porsche around with just 4 lug bolts on the rear wheels. Who in the world does that? hahaha... tells you a lot about this seller.
Cheers!
That's what people believe, but it's not really true and why details on damage is critical when looking at a salvage title.
My P!g got about $18k of work done due to some roadside construction splashing some corrosive liquid across traffic just as I passed by (actually they nailed the car in from of me and I just got the spray). It ate the clear coat and all the unpainted plastics on the car. It was still new, but the work would cost the same in another couple of years when the value of the car drops far enough for the insurance company to total it instead.
Hail damage (even with no broken glass) can total a car too.
Being close with my body shop I've seen plenty of "totaled" cars that were just cosmetic issues that totaled up over the amount the insurance was willing to pay.
In this case, however, as soon as they claim an $800 wheel on what should be a $20k car was the source of it being totaled, you know they are lying through their teeth and trying to hide something.
Holy crap! Good eye
So not only is this seller a liar, he is also a danger to those around him on the road
One bit of advice rarely mentioned is I always look for good quality and 'matching' tires during my inspection.
That is a great sign of a good/bad owner.
Yes, I appreciate the forensics on the photos! It Has been difficult dealing with all the folks on Craigslist--I am really having a hard time finding someone I can trust. I really want a 996, but I don't want to pay too much for an engine that might blow up tomorrow, yet the cheaper cars, the ones I could afford to just loose, are almost guaranteed to fail. The 996 may be a bargain, but it seems I am never going to get more than I pay for.
It's pretty unrealistic to expect to "get more than I pay for"...better to make sure you don't get less than you pay for - make sure you get good visual inspection, discussion with seller and PPI. Good luck - the search is always exciting.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/5841509019.html
http://skagit.craigslist.org/cto/5840988796.html
Same car listed in Seattle and Skagit Valley. My bet is scam.
It's a common CL scam. That white 911 is listed across the country with very low prices versus the actual market value. I've seen it listed here in Athens and Atlanta as well as Florida... and others.
I'm sure the seller will be happy to "ship you the car" as long as you pay up front via western union wire transfer. (facepalm)
This is on Ebay with a "slight ticking noise" in the engine. I listened to the video, couldn't really guess at what it was. The mechanic guessed timing chain...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-Porsche...3D182324258069
[QUOTE=Woodman71;13745540]This is on Ebay with a "slight ticking noise" in the engine. I listened to the video, couldn't really guess at what it was. The mechanic guessed timing chain...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-Porsche...3D182324258069
[/QUOTE
"but it could be a valve too" and the AC is on the fritz. It's either a pricey roller, a pricey parts car, a pricey project, or a steal if its just the chain.
It could have a few other things wrong too.
[QUOTE=ditto;13745656]
It probably does have a few other things wrong with it. Bottom line is it has a running engine with a dual row IMSB in it ('99) and a top that goes up and down. Car can be had at around 11% of its original price. Pretty decent car IMHO, but only for someone who takes it on as a project or buys it to part it out.
A bit pricey, but 99 Aero cars seem to be *the car* for most shopping 996.1s
1999 6MT, Aero, 67k miles, $25k
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/cto/5876465046.html
If the comment "will need first cylinder bank Actuator replaced" is accurate it probably still runs, just terribly.
But there might be dragons lurking in there...
I've always had a thing for 928s but the money pit reputation scares the hell out of me.
If this was in another color I could be tempted to throw caution aside if it checked out
https://asheville.craigslist.org/cto/5838038278.html
First problem, the owner claims it's a 2002 when it's obvious the 996 it's a mk1. Prolly more like a 2000 or 2001 judging from the lack of pumpkins. The other problem is the arrogant "Don't waste my time" comment. That makes you wonder if the owner is hiding something and doesn't want to talk about it. $12,000 is too low and so my gut feeling is he is trying to move on with this car.
No more or less than the 996 aspect. Lots of help on this forum for 928s. It is much more of a DIY car. If you take it to a Porsche shop, you're a dead man. There are about 10 or so specialists in 928s around the country. Parts are generally well supported although there are some bits that are NLA. Go visit the 928 place and ask around. Contributors there can help immensely as they've seen it all before.
There's a few nice Turbos in the Bay Area right now, looks like.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/ctd/5872310858.html
[2001 Coupe, 6MT, Speed Yellow, 50k mi, $41.9k]
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto/5842080063.html
[2004 Cab, 6MT, Arctic Silver, 72k mi, $42.9k]
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd/5861082421.html
[2001 Coupe, 5AT, Seal Gray 48k mi, $35.9k]
I'm a fan of that cab.
Well, it's obvious he *not* in the body repair business from the looks of the front bumper and side dent. Wonder if this motor has been removed and rebuilt by him? Shame he didn't take it a little further and at least have the bumper painted.
My buddy is shopping for a 996, and we have come across that one a few times. Its been listed for a while. Just too much for a salvage title, AND damage
Got an important question: What do you guys think of these small dealerships offering deals like this. Bare in mind it's rebuilt title, but still the price is crazy low. This company supposedly has several Porsches, even an '09 for $21,000. Do you smell a rat?
https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/ctd/5909441773.html
I found the company's website - Here it is...
http://www.budgetautorenttoown.com
I'll reserve my comments for later, but would love to hear your thoughts.
From their website:
"Advertised vehicles may not be in stock but may instead be vehicles that Budget Auto Enterprise, Inc. has access to. Listed photos of vehicles are for illustration purposes only."
Hel as long as it's got a semi working motor in it, you can do a half assed job at parting that thing out and making a profit.
That is if it really is a TTS with PCCBs and not just pics for "illustration purposes". Gut says the later rather than the former though...
I have gone back and forth over calling about this one. I just don't know if I can handle the chrome wheels and, more importantly, the black hood with the blue. Just not sure I trust a guy with a set up like that.
Well, I can't be 100% with this particular company, but from reading their advertisement on craigslist and their website, it looks very familiar to a dealership in Atlanta that has gotten a lot of bad press. They're kinda like the lowly "rent to own" furniture stores.
Here's how they do it... They advertise very high end cars at prices that are lower than auction wholesale prices. People flock to the stores to find out that the only way they can get the cars at those prices is if they finance it through their company and usually the interest rates are worse or in line with the Title Pawn Companies - yep, like ARP 300%+. In most cases, they won't make cash deals and if they do, the price is normal retail for the vehicle. Budda bing!
Good day Rennlisters.
Newbie here looking to jump into the P-world...Would love to get some opinions on this one
https://honolulu.craigslist.org/big/cto/5885556063.html
Forgive me if this is a considered HIJACKING as it's not my intention...just need a bit of guidance!
Aloha,
Bill
I would be a little concerned over the fact that so many relatively easy things are wrong with the car. The window has a problem, the sunroof has a problem and the A/C doesn't work. That indicates the car may not be that well maintained mechanically, as well. Not always, but it's an indicator. The trim doesn't look well done and the appearance is highly polarizing, meaning some will really like it and some will really hate it. That's usually not good for resale value. Also, the tiptronics are not good for resale value, but they are also cheaper to buy. The line about the tiptronics shifting faster than the manual is a straight up lie. All in all, though- if it suits your tastes, you can't hurt yourself by going to look at it. If you are serious about buying, take it to a reputable independent Porsche specialist and pay good money for a PPI. That would tell you much more about the car than an ad ever would.
I totally agree, In my quest to find a mechanic in the area, the first guy I called said he was familiar with the car and considered buying it but could not stand the CF...Thinking it's going to cost at least 5K to get it up to snuff but, until a PPI is done who knows.
Bill,
This one is not a bad price, but look how it's been molested. (i.e. air box removed (current filter looks nasty!), weird faux carbon fiber bits and interior paint, crummy custom audio installation. Look at the frunk and the sub on the back seat. Ugly job indeed.
But you have to hand to the owner... he's a true salesman!
hahaha
Get this..
Quote:
1. Sunroof acts up on occasion.
2. A/C is disconnected and needs service and some parts.
(Note that Porsche was never known for great A/C anyway so do you really need it?)
3. Some faded paint on rear wing and rear bumper but hard to notice if you're not looking for it.
4. Also has a few paint chips in front as would be expected for a car of this age.
"You will not be disappointed!"
hahahah... you got to hand it to him, he's really wants to sell the car.
I'd run, not walk away from the deal. No telling what else will need to be repaired.
Scott,
This is the "holy grail" of 996 Porsches as constantly noted by our RL track monster SLAKKER....
The 1999 dual row bearing 996. This is a great deal and it's in warm Florida!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-Porsche...m=252677515368
NO NO NO!!!!
NOT this vehicle!
Why?
1. Savaged vehicle - has a rebuilt title
2. Has non factory modifications to the body. Depending how you look at this, it could be good or bad. But its down right wrong to make a NA Carerra look like Turbo IMHO.
3.The red is interior looks to be done by pros, but wrong color for the arctic silver. They should have done a black or grey combination. Fire engine red just doesn't work... never like it on the Vettes and darn ugly on Silver Porsches. Just my 2 cents worth.
And, what's that cable hanging out the rear tail light? Emergency rear hood release?
In my search, I have not found any 996s under 17K that were worth while. Meaning, there were always some issues or things that needed addressing that made me feel uncomfortable with the car--usually mechanical and not cosmetic.
However, once you cross the 20K threshold, you'll find very well kept and maintained cars.
Just IMO.
EDIT: 14 days after it's listed got it flagged for removal. Will post back if it's reposted less suspiciously
http://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/5898568497.html
Local one for me
Most likely a scam, but at least the pictures are taken nearish where it's listed
Hmmmm, my spidey sense says I should;
1) Buy this car.
2) Pull engine.
3) Swap engines in my red aero.
4) Sell black with a new repl IMS in my old engine.
5) Enjoy.
Project #271 right behind refurbish my Avanti. sigh,,,,,,
That's a car you raise your budget for if it is otherwise close to the car your are looking for. It's been confirmed as the real deal by Jake so it's a motor even KK could get a good night's sleep with.
Well, it does have 127K miles. I mean realistically, you pay 22K, drive it 50K miles, and now it has 177K - which seems like a lot of miles and things will start breaking.
I was thinking of buying that when I was looking for a car. Not a bad deal at all.
This car has been on sale almost 6 months, and is now priced very reasonably. Anyone know what's wrong with it?
http://www.mudarrimotorsports.com/20..._262697051.veh
Yeah I saw a few comments about a car with 58k miles. Apparently that's what they consider a high mileage car over on that forum. Some small part of me wants to get a 100k++ mile Turbo just to see the reactions (also because well-maintained, high mileage Turbos can be really good values...)
The front bumper gap seemed weird to me, totally missed the chipped tail light though.
Probably just not put back right after a radiator cleaning, but definitely something to look at.
I agree their view of mileage is ridiculous, but it is what it is which makes this one a bit over priced I think. Looks like a good car over all though with just minor stuff. Would be a great no worries DD.
I ended up with a TT but I was almost about to buy
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/a...oupe-sale.html
and still think it's a solid deal. I talked to Millersport and Chuck knows of the car and can do the PPI.
Yeah, we were talking about that one a few months ago in the Craigslist thread on the 996tt forum. I think someone went to see it. It wasn't bad, but lots of minor issues that presented a picture of a car that was not well cared for. But still, at its present price, I think it's a helluva deal. Good example of a car you could buy, drive for a couple of years, lavish some TLC on, develop a service history on and sell it for a profit.
I was planning to once I get a chance to wash it this week. I think you could easily get it for 21k, maybe 20k considering how long it's been for sale. I think he was only asking 22k last time I talked to him.
^^I agree Bash. The seller is living in a dream world. Just because it's a low miles 996 doesn't make it valuable like the GT3, GT2, or something. In fact, because it's a base M96 Carrera, low miles could actually be a bad thing in regards to the IMS syndrome. Now on the other hand, if this was a Turbo model, then the $50K price tag would be reasonable. But not for a base Carrera with an aftermarket wing and automatic transmission. hahahaha Wishful thinking on thinking on the part of the seller.
Yea, that car has been for sale on their lot for a long time. I believe their original asking price was like $35K. It's definitely nice.
Curious.... did Porsche put factory tinted windows on the 40AE models?
Which means something happened to the left side at some point. Needs a good PPI to see if there is something untoward and unreported going on there.
This ladies and gentlemen is why if you have to replace one headlight these days, you do both. Insurance (understandably) doesn't like to do it due to the cost, but you can beat them up over it.
Edit: I see an accident is in the Car Fax:
That's even worse to me as it means that they cheaped out on the repairs and used a used headlight rather than a new one. What other cost savings were done for the repairs?
The idea of a Guards Red car has been growing on me, so I've saved a couple that I've found. You may be aware of these already:
Engine replaced, IMS "updated":
https://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/5884967187.html
Beautiful car:
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/cto/5922619074.html
Neither are perfect, but I think both are priced very reasonably.
Anyone care to share their thoughts on this car?
http://www.elevationmotors.com/1999-...5/Details.aspx
I've been checking in on this car for a while now. Contacted Elevation Motors a while back and they said all the standard/preventative maintenance has been done (IMS, RMS, AOS, etc).
A couple things I notice in the pictures:
1. Most obvious is the aero kit without the wing. Is that an indication that the aero kit is not OEM? I'll contact them about a picture of the option sticker either way.
2. The front bumper fitment looks a little odd in some of the pictures.
3. The sales person I spoke with said there is a clear bra on the car, but was put on poorly and looks a little rough.
4. Is the exhaust sitting low? I'm aware that this may be a sign of worn-out motor mounts.
I've been lusting after this car for a while now, and I may be in a position to make a decision on a 996 soon! The price seems steep, but I'd like everyone's thoughts.
I bet you Skyland Auto is pissed because they bought the car on November 29th and the 2013 accident didn't get reported to Carfax until December 2nd. Yikes! Talk about bad timing. (see attached picture)
I'm sure they'll just want to break even on this deal.
Opinions below...
1. Most obvious is the aero kit without the wing. Is that an indication that the aero kit is not OEM?
Not necessarily. You can easily purchase just the Aero bumper. I found a used Turbo front bumper and had it paint matched to my car. It's looks great IMHO. It looks OEM. I've looked an many of aftermarket and compared it to the OEM catalog... and this one definitely looks OEM. The only way to be 100% sure is to removed the bumper and the part number will be on the inside. The side skirts also look OEM. Deleting the rear taco spoiler is a personal decision on the PO part and I would worry so much about it unless it visually concerns you.
2. The front bumper fitment looks a little odd in some of the pictures.
I think you may be a little OCD about it, because I think the fitment looks pretty darn good. I've seen many example of poor bumper installs. Trust me, those things are a PITA to align perfectly.
3. The sales person I spoke with said there is a clear bra on the car, but was put on poorly and looks a little rough.
I hate clear bras. I'd rather see paint chips than a clear piece of plastic age over time. And, a simple bumper respray is relatively cheap. Mine cost about $300
4. Is the exhaust sitting low? I'm aware that this may be a sign of worn-out motor mounts.
It does look a little low because the exhaust diffuser don't look stock and so this may be part of the problem, but replacing motor mounts are pretty easy DIY projects.
I've been lusting after this car for a while now, and I may be in a position to make a decision on a 996 soon!
Don't lust after machinery or you could end up like this poor fool...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=437_1431276344
The price seems steep, but I'd like everyone's thoughts.
Actually, that's a pretty darn good price given the miles and the tasteful upgrades. You may want to confirm in writing that the IMS was definitely replaced. Ask the dealership to provide documentation. Cheers!
Good luck!
You certainly came to the right place for opinions
Of course they would. If they can't back up the claims, however, then it hasn't been done as far as you're concerned.
No it's not. You could order it with just the lower kit like this car had. The list of options (especially on the 99s) was nuts.
You need to get it's build specs to see what was and wasn't factory.
The dead on front view looks a little off on the passenger side. Definitely worth having looked into, but the most logical explanation is that it was off to clean the radiators out. They can be finicky to get back on right, especially if you do it by yourself.
There do appear to be some scratches (something dead center over the plate, also on the passenger side of the plate, and maybe on the driver side below the light). Could have taken a bit of a bump (street parking in the city?) and that could explain it too.
There is nothing special about this car in my opinion and as such I think it's more of a 17-20k car. Looks like a good car that could be a solid DD if it checks out, but it's never going to be a sought after example.
The more proof they can offer on the maintenance, the closer to $20k I would go.
Thanks for the input! I don't really care if the aero is OEM, I was just thinking it may be a bargaining point so I thought I'd ask. The dealer said they have the sticker from the LN IMS Retrofit, but there was no note about the original IMS being sent to LNE for analysis. I'm sure this is the case more often than not.
I'm not sure what you mean by "exhaust diffuser". Are you referring to the winglets on the rear bumper?
I think I might put up a thread for a RennFax on the car and PPI recommendations in the Denver area. Maybe someone wouldn't mind cruising over to check it out for me.
If I had to guess, I'd guess that most legit ones do get sent to LN. There are examples (mine) that don't though. You can get the serial number off the sticker and contact LNE to see if they can confirm if they got the original bearing and what it's state was.
Just the bearing doesn't do you any good though. Knowing the reputation of the installer is also critical. There have been shady people that have had bearings installed in failing engines. A good installer will also take the opportunity to check some of the other big things that could cause bearing failure which someone else may just slap the new bearing in and call it a day.
That would be your best bet. Have a 3rd party set of eyes on it (even if it is local to you) is a good thing since you'll look at it with lust and desire (you do seem to have a good critical eye though) and the seller will be looking for the highest sale possible.
I've been lusting after this car for a while now, and I may be in a position to make a decision on a 996 soon!
Don't lust after machinery or you could end up like this poor fool...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=437_1431276344
The price seems steep, but I'd like everyone's thoughts.
Actually, that's a pretty darn good price given the miles and the tasteful upgrades. You may want to confirm in writing that the IMS was definitely replaced. Ask the dealership to provide documentation. Cheers!
Good luck!
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What's wrong with people...
Im my research every dealer and private party likes to put 'IMSB done' in their ads, but when you ask, it's the usual - "the previous owner told me it was done." speech. Unless you have receipts and you can call the shop to confirm the actual car's VIN had the bearing completed, I would consider it not completed.
Thanks, gnat. I'm not looking for a pristine example, just a mechanically sound DD. A black C2 with the aero kit fits my aesthetic preference which is why I've become set on this car - but not so much that I'm unwilling to walk away from it. I'm going to contact them again and have them send me any work receipts/documentation. Unless there is something I'm missing, I was thinking it was about a $20k car (assuming all of the claimed maintenance was completed). We'll see what they say.
Ask them for a picture of the option code sticker. It's on the underside of the hood. Post the information and we can help you decode it (and there are services that will do it for $10 or something off the VIN).
What I see:
Plain halogen lights: much cheaper to replace a housing, but the Xenons make a world of difference at night.
Leather seating surfaces: At least it's not the fake leather, but there is a lot of plastic in that car which is the root of complaints about the 996 interior being "cheap".
Leather steering wheel with colored crest (though the 4 spoke vs the more popular 3 spoke).
Partial aero-kit: Could be a factory config, could have been added after, could have been a full kit and lost it's taco. The build options will tell us how it came from the factory. Either way, they are the OEM parts and even with the poor taste of not having the Taco it adds something special beyond the standard look of the car.
Sport wheels: These are the only other special thing on this car. They are, however, relatively common since they are so popular (the twists being the most common and the Carrea IIs seem to be catching up).
CD storage: Means that from the factory it had the in dash single disc CD player (obviously gone now).
Sunroof: I love how some sellers try to up sell it, but it was a standard option. The "delete" was the option and is very rare.
That's all I see for options which is why I said earlier it's not a special car. Doesn't mean it's bad, just that I agree with your assessment that it is over priced. The unrepaired bumper doesn't help (as b3 said, it's cheap to get it resprayed if that's all it needs) either.
Ummm... Just how will brakes be needed due to it sitting?
Also mentions that it still needs an intake, but also that he and "others" are driving it as is.
Sounds more to me that someone bit off more than they could chew and they are now trying to pawn it off on someone else. He clearly has a shop and a crew, so if it is really so close to being finished why not finish it so you don't have to include a bunch of caveats?
that's what I was thinking does not look stock. But someone else can chime in. My OEM aero kit car does not have those winglets.
As for the clear bra...whoever said they hate them
clearly
has not seen a good quality clear bra installed. They are nearly impossible to see more than 24" away, and do a great job of keeping the rocks from damaging the front of the car; PLUS they can be removed and reinstalled much cheaper than sanding/painting the front end again.
That is an OEM bumper and the winglets/spats are OEM as well. Near as I can tell there is no rhyme or reason as to why some cars have them and others don't. Our 01 came with them, but I know other 01s that didn't. I also know of 99s and 00s that did and others that didn't. All had the same code for the Aerokit too.
I see that all the time, and I don't get it. You're talking about $20k + for a car, what's another $1.5k for shipping if it's "the one?" Or better yet, fly out and drive it back yourself.
I wouldn't want to buy a car sight unseen even if the pics look great. The shipping cost is not an issue. Time off is though. Not possible right now to take a few days off to fly to NC and drive back to CA.
Take a weekend and have a PPI done, drive it back half way if it's a keeper. Then have it shipped to it's final destination from where ever you decide to.
Funny you say as I was just looking at mapquest. 2487 miles. Only worry is with a new unknown car, there's always the chance it leaves me stranded. Would be a cool road trip tho!
I did a 3500 mile trip last year. It was great!
However, as others have mentioned, if nothing else you could fly out to see it for yourself, then have it shipped back. See how helpful we are?
Well, if you are thinking 996tt if you could get one in the mid- to high-$20k's, here's one to consider.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/262783931456...&ul_noapp=true
It has a salvage title and a color change, plus some body mods (although I think the Misha GT2 Add-On wing is a quality piece and the best looking wing mod for a 996tt). But, this car was up for sale earlier in 2016 with an incredibly long list of new and upgraded parts. Looks like the current owner bought it and did a bunch more maintenance: water pump, coils, plugs, oil & coolant change, MAF plus some.
You could probably pick it up for $28k. Salvage 996TTs with some issues remaining (engine hiccup or tranny probs) still bring $23k-$25k on the Copart insurance auction. So I think you could always bail and get your money back if you decided it wasn't for you.
The TT in Phoenix is a bargain for the right person. It seems like it is a former Scott M's car. 500 whp, RWD, and manual- car is a monster. With slicks this is a low to mid 11 second car, maybe even high 10 with God behind the wheel.
If anyone needs me to drive a car they buy, PM me. I might be able to drive it for you. I am on sabbatical right now. Would be cool to try this while I am off.
Capt. obvious,
That's my buddy's old car I sold for him three years ago in the same condition. Well besides those replica 500 dollar seats. Three years and it still hasn't been fixed
What's funny is that people that come up with those clever stories tend to sell the car easy. I've seen people make a story line on complete **** buckets for high prices and they sell. Blows my mind.
Meh. He writes copy for some tech start-up. Lost me at the first 'bruh'. As far as I care, he's like the container a feminine hygiene product uses to flush a vag. OBTW, he doesn't even know his car is a 1997 model, not 1999. And all this attitude and he CONSIGNS the car to sell? fuggeddabboutit.
Ok, I won't waste a lot of time critiquing this 993 or this owner's methods of selling it. He was funny at first, but shoveling it deep after he started in on requiring the buyer to basically kiss his butt and expect you to describe how you're going to make love to this machine is pure and simply pathetic.
http://www.carsmithmotors.com/web/inventory
I actually know the dude with the 993. He's an interesting guy, I'll leave it at that.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/5949653705.html
2001 C4 Cab, 6MT, Seal Gray/Graphite, comfort + technic pkgs, parking sensors, 71k mi, $17.5k, 2 owners.
Looks like a decent car. Doesn't have full leather as claimed in the ad, but overall seems pretty nice and reasonably priced if the documentation checks out. Park assist is a rare option (looks really strange on the 996.1 cars though, 996.2 parking sensors were much better integrated in the rear bumper).
No doubt... Shabby even butchered the ol' adage "Cuts through like a knife through butter" when he stated, "Runs great, Shifts like Butter".
Shifts like butter???
uggh!
and why am I not surprised he says this... "It looks and Drives like A GT3" but then this "3.4 Flat Boxster 6 Cylinder"
double uggh!
I went and drove this car.
Build date 4/98.
Drives as if it's new.Even the visors are still intact!
Very low optioned, super basic car.
Sticker was $69k when new.
http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/ctd/5953538481.html
They won't budge off of asking price as they "know" what they have...
Honestly, good for them. That's not a bad price for the car. Whomever buys it is still getting a great driving car for $25K.
it's all the clapped out 15K 996s that are driving the prices down for all 996s.
Normally I'd agree, but I'd be willing to take my chances on IMS issues with a 4/98 build date. That said, I agree that lack of use would definitely be a concern.
Maybe the OP could get this car for less if he offered only to buy 6 of the advertised 10 cylinders
LOL!
Honestly, I really did consider buying this car as I'm looking for a long-term keeper coupe to set up for autocross or light track use. This 16k mile car is almost too nice, and should go to a collector who can store it properly and let it stay a garage queen to sell on a future episode of Chasing Classic Cars or at a Mecum auction.
The lack of use and the ensuing maintenance issues that are likely to crop up after one starts driving it regularly are what I keep telling myself is the main reason I haven't bought this car. For my purposes I'd have more faith in a car with 50-70k miles, which is still very low for age. And while the interior color on it's own is not necessarily a deal breaker, gray is among my least favorite P-car interiors. If it were Savannah Beige or even Black, that car would probably be in my garage right now.
If some things happen to move and shake in my garage fast enough and that car lingers around long enough, I may try to buy it... Wheels are in motion, so to speak.
I recently paid 24 for a single owner, manual, 99 cab with 14k. The car has been great and rides like a new. Better than an 07 997 with twice the mileage. A couple of plastic bits involving the top needed refreashing. The car has been a dream. I drive it less than 3 k a year due to insurance limits. I do not believe that in the foreseeable future these are going to appreciate in any significant way. That said it is a great price on a great car. Fantastic value Dual row IMS dramatically reduces risk to under 1% from what I have read. Go for it you will not regret paying a couple of bucks up for a like new car.
I love the gray interior.
+1
I echo your comments. I just don't get it when owners rebadge a car into something it's clearly not. I've even seen a recent local example on CL where an owner converted a standard narrow body Carrera into a turbo-look with an added aftermarket turbo unit installed and even put the intercooler vents and rebadged the car (rear logo, door sill logo, etc.). What's worse it was listed as a Porsche 996 Turbo. You wouldn't know it was a modified car unless you read the description and even with the sneaky wording, someone that doesn't know these cars very well, might have thought it was the real deal.
I cringe any time a seller describes their wheels as being "wrapped" in whatever tire or describes their car as "pushing" xxx amount of horsepower. Nails on chalkboard.
Am I the only one?
No affiliation. Looked at this car tonight, and was not able to get a deal together on my trade. Car has under 50k miles, black, tan interior, 6 speed, paint looks original, no wheel scuffs, seats are perfect front and back. No stone chips, no door dings, smells great. Checked under car- no leaks. Has IMS Guardian installed and tested its dash button- that works as it should. Original radio, no heated seats. Has cruise. 17" OEM wheels with tires that are about 5+ years old but full of tread. This car was built in 6/98 which makes it an early 99 that should have the dual row IMS bearing. If you decide to call on the car, email Margy Cahill at
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. She is at [phone removed]. I bought a BMW from her a year ago and she is very professional and fun to work with. It is black, not blue as this ad states. I did not see any stickers related to an LN Engineering bearing.
http://www.umanskymotorcars.com/used...a57b2a2d27.htm
I must say BAT definitely brings a premium when selling a car now. It used to be where you could score a deal. Now it's where you can sell your car for the highest price.
I wonder how it got there. I remember seeing it for sale in a local Facebook group right after I bought my car last April. It was selling for $22k then. For someone to trade it for less than half that price in less than a year is crazy. I can only guess it has a serious engine problem and they tried to dump it while it still ran.
Looks beautiful though. Might still be worth it if you can inspect it thoroughly enough, or plan on replacing the engine.
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Says it right at the bottom of the CL ad, or I misunderstood the advertisement:
"Cars selling price under $10,995.00 60 month term and 2.99% APR. This offer does not include sales taxes and tags. Call dealer for additional detail."
I read this to mean if the car selling price is under $10,995.00 you can get 60 months financing at 2.99% APR. Selling price is different than this and clearly stated in big font.
Correct... that looks like standard verbiage that they stick at the bottom of all their ads.
Baring a blown engine, it would have been a steal at $11k. Sadly, that's not the case.
You guys got any thoughts on the milages advertised? I have my doubts and when scouting for a 996 I came across enough cars where I had serious doubts on the advertised milages from the intermittent service history and state of the car. I also wonder if some of the engine troubles people run into are simply because the car ran many more miles then indicated. Example was a 996 with 100k miles and a complete engine rebuilt. Looking at the car, I would not have been surprised if it actually had run 200k miles. Then a rebuild would not come as a surprise!
Volkert
Or whipped like a rented mule.... I couldn't make out the name of his channel on the stickers last night, I was curious what kind of antics he filmed....seems like he'd be good to the car.
I haven't looked at many in person, but I've seen a couple low mileage cars 996's (<32k miles) that looked real rough and made me doubt the mileage. They check out on Carfax, though. SOme of these sit so long and in apparently nasty environments....checked one out today that had heavy condensation in the guages and all the interior surfaces were dirty/faded. No way I'd buy the thing, but I drove it anyway...tranny, engine, handling, all fine, but it looked like it was 3 times the mileage inside.
Like the color and interior, not a fan of the spoiler and it looks like the motor mounts may be sagging...tail pipes look like they are drooping. Service history will tell if the price is too high.
Could be badly installed exhaust. The driver side looks skewed compared to the pass side. They stick out a hell of a lot too. Maybe a cheap aftermarket tip?
I have followed his channel for awhile. A true car enthusiast and a bit of a character (not in a bad way) Just check out his Thailand videos
I've watched all his 996 ownership videos, and here's what I gathered:
- Mentioned some suspension squeek in an early video, not sure if he addressed this. Looks minor
- He also mentioned already bought the LN IMS bearing - not sure if installed. I would think he would have mentioned it in the ad.
- Doesn't sound like someone who is 'dumping' a problematic car.
Anyways, no relation to the seller other than watching his YT videos.
Best deal ever!!!! (must be some kind of fraud/hoax)
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5972771707.html
Same car as referenced in this LA Times story, perhaps.... ?
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...124-story.html
ha, seriously? no engine or interior. It's a pile of rust and every panel will need to be replaced. I doubt the money invested to restore that car would ever be recovered
Looks like the exdhaust is sagging a big from the factory cat crossover pipes. Loosening up the clamps and mounting, supporting the exhaust back into proper position, and tightening it all back up should do the trick....Unless he bent something going 90mph over a speedbump haha
Negligible, never had any of my clients mention a change in the feel of the car on the road or on the track after installing muffler bypass pipes. Actually that goes the same for all our exhaust products for that matter. But hey, if you're a hidden aero engineer and can sneak us into a wind tunnel....i'm down for that! Although I might go off on a tangent with a GT4, GT3, and 570S to test some aero parts we are making lol
http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/cto/5969547201.html
Great track car candidate! (except for the tiptronic)
I drove this car. Wasn't what I was looking for at the time (it needs a lot of work), but man I'm thinking about a second 996 now!
yea it's pretty bad. But I'm thinking strip all the nasty interior; install rollbar, one piece seats, harness, good suspension.....and don't worry about beating on it at the track
it's a 16 y/o kid selling it. Was asking $16,500 several months ago
Holy fvck what is that?
There is no angle to look at that thing no matter how Klashed out you may be to make it remotely resemble a 917.
And to top off the stupidity, those wheels?
You;d think I'd have stopped having faith in humanity a long time ago...
A batman car for a b-class version of the movie? Maybe.
Maybe donate it to Ripley's believe it or not museum?
But a Porsche 917 replica??? To the owner of this ... uhhh... whatever it is... For the love of humanity and all things pure and Porsche, please remove the Porsche logo and 917 emblems and sell the thang to a freak show or something. Heck, the engine and wheels are prolly worth more than the entire car. Word!
Not Craigslist and the price is a little steep given the mileage, but a nicely equipped '99 Aerokit nonetheless.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...60k-miles.html
Wow! That thing is an abomination! Makes me wonder what sort alternate reality the person was long in while they were building it? Lots of "new" parts... as if that's going to make it more desirable...there's no accounting for tast...😱
Yeah - and I find that sad. I pity the silver, black, gray owners for their drabness. But - silver is by far the most popular. I go to a cars n coffee, look down the line of Porsches; silver, silver, silver, black, silver, black, gray, silver, silver, black, black, silver. Depressing.
Fly and drive home guys!
I apologize for my crude CL pictures. I have been waiting to get some free time to take 'real' pics. Here she sits in my garage most of the time.
It took me a long time to find my 996. Like many of you, I am very picky about what I buy. This car did not disappoint in any way.
The man says take a cab, I say 'delivered'.
http://easttexas.craigslist.org/cto/5976098000.html
Pretty tasty looking. Well cared for, and a nice price. Also not black/silver/gray.
I'm in the same cabriolet boat my friend. I love convertibles, but if it was all about me, I'd have a coupe. But my ladies love to drop the top and that helped with the "approval" to purchase the car. ha!
Here's a nice '04 coupe under $20k. I am happy to do a Rennfax if anyone is interested. I don't recognize the car from the local PCA.
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5967968810.html
http://www.goodchev.com/VehicleDetai...-WA/2895056133
Notice the attention to detail with the interior (lol) in the pictures. 6 owners and has been for sale at this dealer since 12/2/16. 2002, manual trans, no traction control, 71k miles. Red/blk vert
Current asking price is <$19k
Just looking at the Carfax that you can view on their site, the car has had a complex history. And the asking price seems high.
I have always had positive experiences with this dealer over the years. They haven't adjusted the asking price since the beginning, so I'm sure it has an interesting story. Maybe someone bought it and had to bail out of it.
I forget, what are you driving these days? A green Prius right?
Bad combination of water drops and reflections make it looks like it has a serious rock chip problem in that first pic
I will be putting my Arctic Silver 2004 C4S Cab (black interior and rag top) up for sale this Spring. It has 95k and is 100% excellent mechanical condition, interior excellent, good exterior. IMS Solution and everything else (I mean all other maintenance items discussed on this forum and documented) has been completed in the last 13 months. Asking $32,000.
People who may be shopping now, or soon might want to wait, or might contact him now about the car. I did the same thing when I said I will be putting mine up for sale later this year, and I've had 3 serious inquiries.
That second one...wow. Must be a mistake. I've seen that Dealer sell a car of a similar age (a '99) for in the low 20's, so they might be a little high, but not nuts.
Random question. When you buy from a non-dealer how do you make sure you don't get ripped off? I'm worried that I'll bring cash or a certified check to a deal, have them sign the title and bill of sale, then I learn later that the car was stolen or the title is fake. On the other end if I'm selling and they bring a certified check, what about the check being fake? Cash is easy to get, but who has the time to count $20k, $30k?
Does anyone use escrow or have an uninterested party make sure everything goes through DMV/SOS and bankwise?
No checks, no cash - wire transfer is the way to go. Don't know what to tell you about the title. Bill of sale is just an extra document - don't really worry about that. I've done 6 out-of-state deals in the last 10 years with no issues. By the time I get ready to close I've got a pretty good idea about the veracity of the folks I'm dealing with through phone calls, face-to-face meetings, etc.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ctd/5994262751.html
Best 99� I�ve driven besides mine. This car is in really nice shape. Has the LN Retrofit. Interior is in great shape. Paint is very nice. Was an original owner car. Has all the history. New clutch and pressure plate. LSD option. Highly recommended.
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/5977788946.html
$20k initial price, now asking $17,500. It is manual, blue with tan/blk interior, Litronic lights, cruise
Engine replaced by factory in 2003. Total mileage on car is 90k, 50k on engine. All records since new.
Interesting Pcar.
Nice! Looks like the same option set as my car, other than the colors.
Good to know that the "IMS BEATING" has already been taken care of, as that can be rather painful.
Well. Is it worth $27k?
Supercharged, Fister, big brakes on a Mk1.
https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/cto/5992418550.html
Looks tasty, and I'm pretty sure he spent a ton on getting it there. Personally, I wouldn't want a car someone else has boosted. Seems like a tough sale, but I'm not an expert on the mods market.
Well, someone will buy it. Looks to be in great shape and it's the right color. Aerokit, spoiler and wheels make for a nice visual. Not something you see often - very unique car. But, I think whoever buys it should have a "replacement engine nest egg" set aside. I'd love to drive that thing just to see what it's like, but owning a blown M96 is not for the the faint of heart. Reminds me of a stripper - fun to date but probably don't wanna marry her.
So $27k buy-in, $10k engine reserve(which I agree with), and the buyer is gonna go all-in for a 99 996 at that level? I was gonna ask $23k for my car this spring, and hope for the best. Of course, I don't have all the mods, but it's a similar car, and no engine reserve needed. I think this cutey is going to be for sale for a while.
And if you got any time to get used to the boosted power you'll be VERY disappointed in the new performance. That nest egg probably really needs to be in the 30k range (10 for a motor and 20 to have it Raby-ized).
As is usually said when someone wants a FI M96, just spend the money on a 996TT.
I know we've discussed this Turbo with the crazy green interior before, but the price... $36k.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/5978492852.html
How difficult/expensive would it be to do a full interior swap? Or at least put in some black seats and carpets to break up the greenness...
Agreed. If you are going to pressurize a M96 engine, better start from scratch. the 'bolt on' HP for the M96 is mostly for looks, if you really get into it hard, one will surely wind up with 'chunks in the sump'.
So a 996 cab is supposed to now be a 997 GT3
If that idiot wanted to burn money, he could have just called me...
Ok I get building a race car and making a tribute (but both?), but why start with a cab???
I've been looking for a 997 coupe but this 2002 996 with super low miles just popped up right around the corner from my office.
https://texasdirectauto.com/for-sale...AA29922S622296
I might have to pop in and take a look. Knowing this dealership, there'll be absolutely no documentation to go along with the car so I'd have to assume no IMS. What does the board think a good number would be on this?
Given the extremely low miles, overall original condition, and clean CarFax, the price is pretty fair. If you could get another 10% knocked off, that would be a steal. Cheers!
I was thinking it was pretty fair as well. They have it listed on a dealer-to-dealer site in the area for $25,100 so I'm assuming I could get it for that and maybe a touch lower.
I paid $20k for my 99 C2Cab w/ 37k miles last March. From watching prices for the last year, coupes seem to fetch a little more than convertibles and I think I'm picking up a little bump in 996 pricing overall...at least for the cleanest cars.
I'm gonna go check it out and I'll let ya'll know if I pick up a deal.
You may have at least two bargaining chips...
1. It only comes with ONE key. And as you may know, having only one key is extremely risking and down right stupid. If you lose it or if it dies, that could mean major fees from Porsche to fix. Yep... have to replace the immobilize module and reprogram a new set of keys. No easy fix. I know at least two cases in the past year that went through this keyfob storm. In the end, it meant more than $3,000. Don't lose YOUR key! Take it immediately to Porsche and have them make you another keyfob and a valet key.
2. No service history of the IMS being replaced and since it's a "garage queen" that puts the car in a higher risk category. Budget another $2000 - $3000 for IMS replacement, clutch, etc.
That $26k range is what I am seeing even for low mileage convertibles (around 32k mi) in the northeast. A couple have been untouched single owner cars, one was $28 (the seller had just recently updated the IMS, clutch, RMS and the car was spotless). The dealers see low mileage as a great thing that commands a premium...many of the rest of us see another $3k in updates that may need to be done.
I've had some dealings with this seller. All I can say, is they like to move cars. If you look at their lot off 287, they have cars jammed in everywhere. Also, you personally need to check
everything
before signing. Nice folk more or less, but they are high on detailing and low on any history, or mechanical fitness. Start at $20k, and don't be in a rush. If you like black, seems like a decent product.
Quote from seller: " I paid over$55,000."
Either he's a big *** liar or just plain stupid. It's not even a true turbo for goodness sakes. Just a salvaged '99 Cabriolet made to look like a Turbo Cabriolet with an fugly aftermarket GT2 type bumper.
All that crap is like a curl on a pig's tail... doesn't add anymore pork to the pig!
second biggest poser? There must be a club in MA. Didn't spring for the wide rear...
https://westernmass.craigslist.org/cto/5994627061.html
Change the badging and the spoiler and it is still a pretty car.
Wide rear? The 991 GT3RS is the first wide body GT3. This conversion is correct for the 996.2 GT3 complete with the correct wing.
I agree the GT3 badge needs to go though.
Hey Bill, no hard feelings but I actually wound up purchasing that 911 Millennium Edition in Austin. I had an advantage as I was local to the area. For years, I never thought I'd get a P car and this my first. Hope you find yours soon, she's out there.
Thanks, bro! No, I had seen it before as I had alerts from craigslist and autotrader for surrounding cities. I
did
learn that it was a millennium edition on this board, which made a difference and led me to pursue it.
It is a very clean specimen and sweet to drive. I originally wanted a RWD Carrera with black interior, but now I love the unique combination. The natural leather and even the wood has really grown on me, and the smooth power is pretty addicting. :-)
I agree with Gnat, the true 996 GT3 cars from the factory where NA/NB designs, and so aside from the wrong badging, the car looks pretty straight up. I'm sure the owner put up a lot of money for the upgrade. It definitely looks OEM. But the owner crossed the line when he put a different emblem on the rear. That crosses the line in my opinion. I understand the whole tribute or replica car thang, but this crosses the line. I changed the look of my rear emblem, but didn't make my Carrera a "Carrera C4S" or "Turbo" which I've seen done many times.
Poser is asking $23K. New motor (from Porsche) has about 40K on it. Seller has paperwork...
Aside from the badgingg it looks like a good car, but what do I know?
Thanks for the correction. I could swear I remember reading somewhere around its release that the 991 was the first.
Still, the 996 GT3 was only a narrow body.
2003 C4S, manual, 29,400 miles, traction and factory sport exhaust. Two-owner and all service records including IMS, RMS and clutch replaced with a price to match at $39,000.
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/6007906725.html
Hi All,
1991 928 owner here and I'm looking at getting a 911 - came across this one:
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/la...954986618.html
What do you guys think? I don't mind doing the mechanical work myself**, but, this one looks like it might have been driven hard.
**Is a synchro job on a 911 something a relatively experienced home-mechanic can do?
Thanks,
Mike
I'm not sure I've ever heard of someone having a 4th gear synchro fail. It's the 2nd gear synchro that is common and often "fixed" by the dtent fix. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen of course, but him referring to it as a normal issue bugs me.
As far as a DIY repair, I have no idea as that is well beyond my ability or interest.
Nice car, fair price for the very low miles. But the hardtop had a $1465 sticker price in 2000... Did the price go up by double in two years?
Mine's for sale... pic of window sticker with hard top line item is in the listing:
https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/6010200449.html
It will be replaced with a coupe.
Don't know the car, but ads like that which only show exterior shots (and not any close ups) always set my scam bells off.
If it is legit, paperwork for the 9xx rebuild are critical. Both to confirm they really did it and to see what was done. They are a reputable rebuild shop, but $15k seems cheap to me.
9xx is generally considered F6I caliber from what I've seen. Very meticulous and doesn't cut corners.
So for a "rebuild" from a shop like that, yeah $15k seems cheap.
No ME came with Aero bits from the factory. It was one of the few options that didn't come on the cars (and you weren't allowed to add any).
Also the wheels are wrong. They should be the "glossy" turbo look 18s (which most people don't like).
I don't think either item is bad so long as the paint was done right and really matches (e.g. I would make any purchase contingent on seeing it in person in full sunlight so you can make sure the color change effect is correct), but they do effectively kill any collector cache (not that the ME has ever carried any).
I know it is. I'm saying it's been modified as no ME came from the factory like that. There are/were 911 identical cars.
My guess is replaced as they look like the regular turbo looks.
Yeah our original set failed around the lugs while under warranty and were replaced. The replacement set also failed and look like ****. Finally got some Carrera IIs from WheelDynamics last year and the ex-glossies are under the deck. Even after almost a year the new wheels still don't look right though. Gonna have to find a new set of the glossy wheels again at some point
Oops, I miss understood your point. Sorry.
It sucks that a car of this caliber would have chrome issues like these do.
I think 20 years from now the ME would be a bit more desired due to the limited production (if low miles)
I don't know. I think it will always have appeal to the collector that wants every special edition, but there aren't that many of those.
For normal people the paint (and wheels) seem to be the big turn offs. The wheels are easy to swap and preserve, but the paint is very much a love/hate thing for people and the majority seem to be closer to the later than the former.
Additionally beyond the paint and interior color there was nothing truly special about the car. Compare it to the 40th and 50th cars as well as some other special editions and there was nothing really impressive.
I don't mean to sound down on the ME as I actually really do like it and we almost bought one rather than her's (the lack of Aero and non-black interior were her turn offs), but I just don't think they'll ever be special special editions.
Carfax calls it a 5 owner with ~98k....most recent title issued in October 25th of last year, so that jives with the "been on island only a couple months" statement. So that part seems legit anyway.
That's Arena Red. Absolutely gorgeous color. Usually such cars come up with grey or tan interiors which are horrible IMHO. I have no need and no place for a second, but I'm tempted. The price is right...
A little story on this car.
https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/26271804
I went to visit my Mom in Massachusetts and went to look at the above car. Mechanically it felt all right. The interior looked like it needed cleaning desperately. The car was very lightly optioned. No door speakers, no LSD, no Litronics etc. Looked like it didnt have any options. There was no option code sticker underneath the front hood since the hood was repainted. It looked like it had been hit in several areas. The rear spoiler trunk piece didnt line up well with the body panels. The bellows had a hole. Headlights were yellowing. The front bumper and almost complete drivers side of the car was repainted since the car was stolen and scraped up in a low speed chase by some drugged up teen.
My Driving impression was that mechanically it felt good. Clutch was good, engine didnt have ticking sounds. No check engine lights. Pulled strong. Brakes worked fine. No weird noises. Suspension felt fine and ran straight.
Over all the car seamed like it needed cosmetic work an interior detail and a full check up and PPI but mechanically it had potential.
Pros: Arena Red Color and Beige Interior, clear title. Mechanically seamed OK.
Cons: Involved in light accident, body panels didnt line up in some places mostly rear. Victim of bad body work and paint. Needs cosmetic work and has no options. Very little service history. No IMS bearing upgrade done.
The lot owner told me the previous owner was his neighbor who wanted to get into selling high end used cars and bought some at auction including this 911. His neighbor owed him some money and payed him with the car then he daily drove it for several months. It was the only luxury brand car on his lot and was parked underneath a tree. We had to jump it to get it started but afterwards it ran fine.
First of all, that's NOT a Turbo Cab, but rather a CarreraS Cabriolet... and without the VIN listed, you can't even confirm it's definitely an S model. The body is badly damage and prolly would be worth more $6K IMHO. Is doesn't have a title for it. uggh. Too many red flags.
I think the stigmatization associated with the 996 causes sellers to pad their asking price's know they may get a low ball offer. Clearly OBO leaves wiggle room. Looks to be a good car from the outside. Just a thought...$16-$17K car?
I do agree about the scary part, slap a new bearing in and unload it.
I think the Arena Red one for $13.5k is a much better deal even though it clearly has a few items (motor mounts) that need to be addressed.
Personally the 100k mark doesn't scare me (quite the opposite actually for these cars) so I think 18.5k is actually a good number if it's a solid car, but the market says that it should probably be somewhere between 15 and 17.
This car specifically, however, I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole due to the appearance of "replace & dump" for the bearing.
I think getting a car without the IMS done, verifying the oil filter is clean with a good PPI and then price adjusting to do the IMS yourself is a much better idea. But I can see why some sellers do it because of the stigmatism.
Sadly we also know that some do it to hide a failing motor and make people feel good that they are getting a "good" one
I think it should be legal to track such d-bags down and castrate them with rusty nail clippers covered in a mix of salt, vinegar, and lemon juice...
My recommendation is that if the car hasn't seen 5k since the change, walk away. If it's seen less than 15k, be skeptical. Up to 50k, be cautiously optimistic. Over 50k and it's time to be thinking about a new one anyway.
Of course an LN bearing (Solution or Retrofit) done by certified installer with appropriate documentation negates all of that.
I would, but I certainly wouldn't be in a hurry to do so. Do it when the motor/tranny needs to come out for something else. We know they are much better, but they can still fail too.
But then I took the same approach to her 01 figuring it had the single row...
Appears to be a decent 6 speed cab on ebay with $12,900 buy it now.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2000-Porsche...m=282365620243
Concur on that Arena Red coupe in Costa Mesa - looks like a deal at under $14k.
Just checked out the Arena Red car. Typical side of the road used car dealer experience. The two salesmen were talking over each other the whole time about how this was the best deal in the country. Here are some notes, some probably more helpful than others, but i figured i would post whatever I could remember. Keeping in mind it's a $14k car:
1. The paint on the hood and front bumper is pretty
chipped up.
2. Scratches around the car but pretty reasonable for a 17 year old car.
3. Driver's seat would move back and adjust the seat angle but the seat would not move forward again. Passenger seat seemed to work fine. Interior is pretty clean otherwise. Didn't test any other electricals - more on that in a minute.
4. Motor mounts need to be replaced.
5. Dealer claims to have bought it from Carmax and that the car was serviced locally - I have not verified this.
6. Mismatched tires between the front and rear. The fronts are Coopers and have good tread, the rears are Bridgestone and will need to be replaced.
7. They wouldn't let me drive the car. The salesman started the car and let it run for a couple minutes, then took the key out and hung onto it. This seemed unusual as typically the dealer would just give me the key to start the car and poke around. They claimed it was because they only let "serious buyers" drive the car even though I told them I was thinking about a trade-in. I wasn't driving my car at the time - take that for what you will.
8. Asked about typical 996 service and they claimed they tried to get service records for the car but that Porsche Newport would only release them to the registered owner...?
Besides that there was some kinda shady whispers between the two guys, but again take that for what you will.
I'll try to answer any other questions anyone has, but these are the notes I took down. Going to attempt to post some pics from my phone shortly.
Not sure how well the paint chips show up in the pictures but they're pretty noticeable when walking up to the car.
Not the worst case of worn motor mounts but definitely sagging.
Janky door guards and note the grimey key slot. Not sure how normal that is. Haven't seen that before.
This is the worst of the marks on the body. In case it's hard to tell, this is in front of the driver's side wheel.
[QUOTE=dciraolo;13985979]
You sir, are really doing your homework! Good job.
1. The paint on the hood and front bumper is pretty
chipped up.
2. Scratches around the car but pretty reasonable for a 17 year old car.
Response:
I'd factor at least a couple grand for a good respray from a respected body shop. Doesn't look like you need a full paint job, but the main area of course on the front would need to be taken care of... but don't go stupid and send the car to MAACO or we'll disown you on Rennlist! haha!
3. Driver's seat would move back and adjust the seat angle but the seat would not move forward again. Passenger seat seemed to work fine. Interior is pretty clean otherwise. Didn't test any other electricals - more on that in a minute.
RESPONSE:
Easy fix! But depending on what level of seat you have... is it full power or manual forward and back? Mine is manual, and was stuck because the PO didn't move the seat much at all. After moving it a few times, it loosened up.
4. Motor mounts need to be replaced.
RESPONSE:
It does look low, but again, it's an easy DIY fix. Wouldn't be a deal breaker.
5. Dealer claims to have bought it from Carmax and that the car was serviced locally - I have not verified this.
At least he didn't claim it was personally owned by Butzi Porsche and shipped over in a gold plated crate. But honestly, this may be a red flag. You have to ask yourself, why in the world would someone dump a car at Carmax? Carmax doesn't give great trade-in prices and are usually below book value, but they have a reputation for accepting just about anything. Therefore, lots of people dump *problem* Porsche cars at Carmax because of this. Buyer beware!
6. Mismatched tires between the front and rear. The fronts are Coopers and have good tread, the rears are Bridgestone and will need to be replaced.
RESPONSE: Again, not a biggie, but just annoying why someone would mismatch tire on a performance car like the 996. Ugh! If take the next steps, you definitely need to drive the car to make sure it handles properly.
7. They wouldn't let me drive the car. The salesman started the car and let it run for a couple minutes, then took the key out and hung onto it. This seemed unusual as typically the dealer would just give me the key to start the car and poke around. They claimed it was because they only let "serious buyers" drive the car even though I told them I was thinking about a trade-in. I wasn't driving my car at the time - take that for what you will.
RESPONSE:
This is not completely unusual. Many dealerships that sell high-end sports cars don't quickly allow test drives unless you can prove that you are a serious buyer. You can imagine the trouble if they'd let just anyone jump in these cars. Performance cars bring our the worst in some drivers which is a risk for the dealership. I've heard some that sell high end sports cars, require a deposit before any test drive is allowed.
But this is not like it's a new 2017 GT3, but I'd imagine if you come back and are serious about making a deal, they'll arrange a test drive.
8. Asked about typical 996 service and they claimed they tried to get service records for the car but that Porsche Newport would only release them to the registered owner...?
I've experienced this before and some dealerships require ID and the actual title to the car.
Hope it all works out!
dciraolo - I'll throw in my thanks also for going to do a Rennfax on behalf of other Rennlisters. Good info with reasonable comments. As b3 says, probably the only red flag is the Carmax thing - I would definitely want the sump plate pulled on a PPI. It's a 2000 model, so likely a dual row IMSB and therefore fine, but still . . .
I don't know that I'd do a respray for rock chips at that price point - would likely just touch up the worst of them and call it good. The rears in the pics don't look that bad from the pics, but maybe the inside edges are bad.
I did a Rennfax last week on a 996tt here in Overland Park for a Florida Rennlister who had already contacted the small dealership several times and even made a purchase offer (although pretty low and was rejected). But the salesman wouldn't even unlock the car for me. He said that he hates selling Porsches because he has to talk to 40 guys for an hour each to sell one car - always lots of tire kickers.
Most of the small dealerships I've been to (all but one of the cars I've looked at so far have been small dealership sales) have been really easy to deal with. A few qualifying questions so they make sure I'm not just there to sit in a Porsche for a second and they pull the car out, hand me the keys and let me dig through it. As someone who has spent his life in sales....boo hoo, the salesman has to do his job to sell a car.
I agree. What these stories smell like to me is that the salesman recognizes that he is dealing with someone that can spot the problems with the car. They are looking for the buyer that is too distracted by the name...
The last Rennfax I did with a private seller was like that. Brought his kids so there was no way to test drive and clearly wanted me to spend as little time as possible looking at the car. It was also clear from what I could see that it was not remotely as represented in the ad.
^^ What he saided ^^
Some salesmen can't drive a stick, so they assume no one can drive a stick. I usually ask if they will drive a test drive and I can ride along. Offer to pay for a few gals of gas usually does it.
Car appears to be accurately priced. If we take into account comparative neglect, then there's more work to do that can't be seen. I would say, water pump, Y cable, maybe AC work, etc. The paint by the time you fix all the little scratches is a do-over. That's gonna set you back ~$6k in SoCal. Or ~$4k ROW.
Sounds to me like by the time you bring it up to rennlist 'standards' it'll be just over $20k. I vote - 'no bargain', unless one is looking at a track beast, in which case you'll spend $8k on the engine/trans, and leave the coachwork and int alone.
This may be a stupid question, but how can you tell the motor mounts are worn from exhaust sag? Intuitively makes sense but I'd like to learn more about that (what specifically you look for, etc.)for future test drives. Any insight is appreciated.
Well, the general rule around here is that if you identify the car as a 996, then the motor mounts should be changed. New motor mounts make the car shift better, run smoother, corner better, add 50 rwhp and make you better in bed. There's no reason not to change motor mounts because it's an easy DIY and then you can impress everyone you know by telling them how you just swapped out the motor mounts in your Porsche.
So, for what seems like 90% of the cars posted that include a shot of the rear end, if the top of the tailpipes are more than about 1/2 inch below the bumper, someone's gonna say that it needs new motor mounts.
FWIW, I have changed the motor mounts in both of my 996s and didn't notice any significant difference either time.
This one sold yesterday. We are definitely in that time of the year (spring fever/tax refund time) where reasonably priced cars will not stay on the market long.
Doc - I agree. (PS - sending you a PM after this post) And I get the point about them being careful about letting people drive the car, but 1. it's a $14k car and 2. I pulled up in a manual trans car (which they knew), but anyway...
My main point is that I'd be much more likely to get on board with a $14k Porsche that was presented as a $14k Porsche and not as a super clean car that has 95k miles. For all the typical used car salesman speak they were throwing around, they got pretty quiet whenever I was taking a picture of a rough spot/noticing the seat doesn't work/etc. I'm not looking for a showroom example, but if they can't even acknowledge the faults while I'm looking at them, it makes me wonder what else they're hoping I don't notice. Maybe I'm just being overly cautious, but as gnat said - they probably would prefer some who just wants "Porsche".
I will note that Arena Red does look awesome in the sun... But this just ain't the one for me. I really appreciate everyone chiming in. I'll definitely have all this info in mind when looking at cars from now on.
Sometimes sales guys need an ego stroke to get the car moving. Sometimes you need to make an offer. It doesn't even have to be a good offer, just toss some money in the air. 'I could maybe do 12k on this', tells them you don't want to just fawn over it. Exotic car sales has to be tough for the small lot guys, as they don't know squadoosh about the car, and some/most buyers coming in will know more than them.
I'm a fan of arena red too, but the tint of Guards Red with a touch of orange/yellow in it is pretty tasty too. My favorite of all time is Cobalt blue on a 928 or 968. I think the reds work better on the 996, but I have a red 928 as well.
Code
Option Description
413 18" Turbo look wheels
424 Automatic heating control
437 Comfort seat left
438 Comfort seat right
446 Parts for type "Targa" belonging to stipulated assembly
446 996: Colored Wheel Crests
490 Hi-Fi sound system
537 Left seat with positrol and lumbar
680 Digital Sound
939 Soft leather rear
982 Supple Leather Seats/Trim
C02 Equipped with catalytic converter
X54 Oval Chrome Exhaust Pipes
I posted the option sticker yesterday. The three-spoke wheel was not selected as an option on this car.
A good respray for a (not very good) 14k-car? Seems a bit like over the top...
You're looking at it from a different angle - for the last owner, that was probably a dated sportscar that he offloaded for 10k$ and on which he didn't want to spend wads of cash...
I wouldn't wrap it or respray it. KC has it right, just touch up the worst.
If a good PPI checks out, this is a car that can be driven and enjoyed with little upfront cost. It might not be the prettiest bell at the ball, but I bet she'd put a smile on your face on the way there and back!
The carmax bit does bother me as we've seen too many carmax specials, but I stand by my original opinion that this is a good deal. Other than the carmax bit, nothing stands out as something unexpected on a $14k 911. Get a deep PPI, (hopefully) fix some minor things, and drive the hell out of it.
This will be a steal if it ends up selling for sub $20k.
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/200...11-carrera-4s/
Less than two hours to go... watching it closely.
agreed.. well cared for car, however my best friend picked up a C4s with coilovers, PSE and X pipe for $23,500 with only 65,000 miles on it 3 months ago... would have a hard time spending over $20k with that mileage
The extra maintenance and care is worth something.. but I agree it's not quite a steal at this price.
Yeesh, I remember days not so long ago when $32k was the bottom of the C4S market.
1999 C4 Cab, manual, 36k miles $24,950, says it needs a new top. Vesuvio gray metallic, tan interior.
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/6020889877.html
1999 C2 White/Tan, "famous six speed" $29,600, 63k miles
Ad says previous owner put more than $20k in add-on's.
https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/6019333463.html
I posted this 2002 C2 Coupe w/ low miles several pages back. I went and looked it over at lunch last week and it was even cleaner than it looks in the pictures. Test drove it Saturday, took it for a PPI today, and made a deal on it this evening. Pick it up tomorrow evening.
https://texasdirectauto.com/for-sale...AA29922S622296
I'm going to take it to my independent to change plugs, air filter, oil filter, belts, etc. and do a paint correction next week while I'm in away working in Vegas. Also gonna direct ship him 4 new tires and Eibach springs from Tire Rack. I'm gonna pick it up the following Monday and daily drive the hell out of this thing.
We are now a 2 Porsche family...I'll post pics once I get it back in 10+ days.
Hm, Mk2 lights and turbo/C4S style front bumper on a Mk1? Why?
Also, very odd wear on the steering wheel and only one key for such a well maintained car?
Congrats. Would consider one of the IMSB corrections with low miles, and single row bearing, but your call. As for the paint correction - when it comes to black, you may be very happy, or you may be very, very sad. Black needs special attention to do right, and once it's messed up, it's a goner. Open a new thread once you get back and tell us more.
Guys, I'm looking for a C2 in Lapis or Midnight Blue, with an aero package, 6 speed,~50kmi. Interior color isn't terribly important as long as it's not something like red or blue. Anyone know of one?
Dudeeee it's too bad you weren't looking about two weeks ago. There was a midnight blue on tan aero in Oklahoma City with around 50k miles and a great price. Listed at about $21k. It was gone within the week...
I've seen very few aero cars in any shade of blue come up in the past year. The only other one I can remember was at Pristine Motorsports in Huntington Beach but it was a Zenith Blue on grey C4. Good luck with your search!
That's when I started looking. That car is more or less exactly what I'm looking for. He had sold it when I contacted him, though. Actually, my email reminded him to take it down. Oh well.
There are plenty of C4s with the aero bits for sale but I don't care much for the dynamics of AWD.
Well, I've got a good litmus test for 996 owners going on BaT right now... My 2000 cab is up for sale there this week. Hopefully the favorable tax timeframe and the allure of approaching spring weather will work in my favor.
I'm sure you already know this, but the C4 is 95% rear wheel drive, and 5% front wheel drive full time. Only when the rear tire loses traction, the viscous coupling will direct up to 40% to the front wheels. I've driven both a C2 and C4 back to back and I would be hard pressed to tell the difference in spirited driving.
https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/6000851792.html
Might take a few months to find a buyer at that price, but looks pretty clean aside from painted wheels
Not a bad price at all, but I wouldn't jump up and down over it. I've seen many lower mile Turbos for around $35K and a few for even less. You have to consider the cost of going to inspect the car and shipping it bad to the mainland which will prolly cost you in the ball park of $2,000.
hahaha... Can someone explain this sentence?
"speed tiket cost me $12.345.76" Are we talking scientific calculator here or a ticket of $12,345.76 to be super duper precise? hahaha
Way to encourage bidders!
I also love it in mid sentence, after explaining it will go 200 mph and get you a $12,000 ticket, he says "hi" hahaha
What the hell??? Talk about a squirrel moment.
hahaha
Compared to that c4S a couple pages back....this one is listed at $3k more than that one sold for, but is half the mileage.
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...027851020.html
https://dallas.craigslist.org/search...auto_year=2004
Looked at my local CL, and was rather disconcerted. Every damn one of them on this search is silver, black, or gray. Not a color in the bunch. Reminds me of that snip in the movie with the clone army. Churning out 911s, silver, silver, silver, silver, black, gray, silver, silver, silver, silver, gray, silver, silver, silver......
"WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY"
Because:
100 more hp(approx same weight)
No inaccessible AOS failures, some right out of the box
No three year water pump or face possible failure that could lead to engine teardown to get small pieces of plastic out of hidden places in the heads
No Porsche premium engine parts price
No scoring
No d-chunking
No IMS failures
No RMS leaks
I'm sure I have missed many reasons...
I have one of these going to PPI tomorrow.
Wish me luck!
Silver wouldn't normally be my first color choice, but I chose it to match my dad's 1975 911S.
"The 40th Anniversary 911's distinguishing styling features include GT silver metallic exterior paint color (exclusive to this model and the Carrera GT), front cooling air openings adopted from the 911 Turbo, body color air intake grills, left and right sill trims, an aluminum "911" logo on the engine cover, shot-blasted, polished 18-inch Carrera wheels, and high-gloss polished exhaust tailpipes. A sliding sunroof, bi-xenon headlights with dynamic beam angle control and a headlight cleaning system complete the standard exterior features.
The interior is trimmed in naturally soft dark gray leather. Other interior details include sport seats with two-stage heating; center console, seat backs and dashboard groove trim strips and handbrake lever side covers finished in GT silver metallic; aluminum-finish instrument dial rings; and a numbered "911 40th Anniversary" plaque on the center console."
Aside from the plaque, this car presents none of the '40 Jahre' features mentioned in the release materials. Also, the year is wrong, VIN decodes as a 02 and the 03 was the 40th 911 anniversary.
And the 40th AE was only offered with MT, no tip. Why would anyone add the 40th AE plaque to the interior - strange people out there. BTW, in the US the 40th AE was a 2004 MY.
Anyone familiar with this car? It's been up for sale for a while. It's a good asking price and it sounds like there might be room to negotiate. Surprised it hasn't sold yet.
2001 Porsche 911 Carrera Or Trade For Diesel 4x4 Ford Truck - $13500 (Ramona)
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/cto/6031097027.html
I made an appointment with the seller a few weeks ago to go and see the car. Unfortunately he called at the last minute stating the battery was dead and we never rescheduled. He is probably not driving it much. But he did emphasize his very willingness to take an offer. He admitted the location is a little out of town, so he even agreed it will be difficult to get buyers to drive up there to go see it. (price will be lower).
But if someone likes the factory air kit, color, and IMS already done, you could probably get this one at a very good price. There might be some risk buying from someone who really wants a 4x4 diesel and therefore may not be a P-car guy. I have no idea about condition or history other than what is in the ad.
How bout this for paradox:
"I love the car, I love it.. like BIGLY love it! I just don't have time for it anymore now that I've modified every aspect of this thing and run outta things to do to it. I will try to sell it for all eternity until I get my price, but don't need to sell it and so don't waste my time, but I accept cash. Did I tell you I was broke? Please help."
He might get better results with some non-scam looking pics as well as details about the rebuilt motor... Price is definitely in the "might be worth the risk" area though and the outside looks nice enough.
You forgot to mention that it was his kindly grandma's car and she never let anyone else drive it and only used it for going to church and bingo herself.
Deal of the century - provided he can prove engine repl, and LN bearing installed. Makes sense if the engine was done though. If it were any other color than gray/silver/black, it would be on a truck to my place right now.
LOL... I spent two years in Hinesville, GA in the 80's when my dad was stationed at Ft. Stewart. Also lived in Hot-lanta during the '96 games. Metro Atlanta is a huge melting pot.
Interesting car for auction there.
It's got a 7 year old, approx 50K mile Flat-6 Innovation engine, 3.8L conversion. According to the seller it has just recently begun using oil and is missing on a cylinder or two.
And it's a Millennium Edition.
Anybody have any guesses about what the engine problem is?
Sad when a seller is NOT even motivated enough to clean the car before putting it up for sale on BAT. That speaks loudly on the overall care the current owner has given this car!
[QUOTE=b3freak;14017176]Sad when a seller is NOT even motivated enough to clean the car before putting it up for sale on BAT. That speaks loudly on the overall care the current owner has given this car!
Idk, spending 25k on a raby rebuild speaks louder. Although it may not be the current owner that had the rebuild done. I didn't see any mention of miles since rebuild. Maybe didn't wash out of pure disappointment and disgust.
Concur. I went a few hundred miles to buy a road grader in Dec, and when I got there the cab was still filled with trash on the floor, and he hadn't even took a hose to it. The seller pointed to it in the field, and went back to fiddling with his 'race' car. So, I went out there, turned on the fuel, started the engine, and got in my truck and left. I hate a$$hats.
As for the engine, there's plenty to speculate on, but with the bigger jugs, I would be shading toward a cracked cyl or ring damage causing the misfire and oil use. A borescope would likely tell a lot, and a leakdown test.
You make a good point; however, what speaks even louder is the claim that it was "rebuilt by Flat 6 and Raby" and now the engine is having serious problems, yet no documentation has been provided by the seller on BAT and until Jake Raby chimes in on this matter and confirms, bidders must assumed otherwise.
Based on the claim that the "Flat 6 3.8 rebuild" was conducted in 2010, that would mean the last two owners put roughly 50,000 miles on it since Jake Raby's team touched this car.
Hmmmm....
If the rebuild was in 2010, then according to the carfax that was done by owner #3. Seller is owner #5. High probability of paperwork disappearing along the way.
Oops.
Yes, I know that MEs are model year 2000, but I didn't think about it when typing last night. I meant to say 40th Anniversary (40 Jahre).
As others have said, I too think there is lots of reason to be suspicious about the lack of care and maintenance this last owner has had for the car. It could be a diamond in the rough of sorts, but in addition to engine repair (replacement?) it will likely need attention to deferred maintenance, appearance refreshening, etc. Only a bargain if it could be gotten for cheap...
Yessir, that was indeed my 2000 Cabriolet. I will admit I was sweatin' bullets going into the final two minutes of the auction, and ended up very pleased. I will be shopping for a nice coupe soon. And I have two somewhat local cars picked out already.
I can tell you that if you do sell on BaT.... don't do it half-heartedly. Having a leakdown test, oil analysis and shooting photos of your paperwork is very much worth the effort. I was also very responsive to comments and questions.
The buyer of the car told me this morning that my commentary and quality of my photos and additional info provided made all the difference to give him confidence in the auction.
Dealing with the paperwork and logistics now.
Regarding that 2004 on BaT right now, did any of you see that photo of the chunk of metal missing out of the engine block? Doesn't look generally debilitating, but exactly where is that spot and what could have caused that????
(see attached CarFax)
Notice the gap between 2008 and 2010. As we know, 2010 being the year that Flat6 reconstructed this engine.
Raises a few concerns:
1. Did the original 3.6L x51 engine experience serious failure that required Flat6 services and the third owner optioned to have it upgraded to a 3.8L??
2. Was the car potentially tracked and engine upgraded to 3.8L for more performance?
3. Was the car damaged in some way and put in storage which would explain why it wasn't officially registered for 2009?
4. Maybe the car was scheduled for the upgrade by Flat6 and the owner decided not to fool with registration in 2009?
5. Maybe since 2010, the car hasn't been serviced and maintained properly which would have nothing to do with Flat6 and more about an owner's negligence?
Interesting!
Part of the fun is using your imagination to make up various backstories!
The car is just down the road from me... Would be interesting to talk to the seller in person and see what he's got to say.
Congrat's! Yes, a little more work on your end can definitely pay big dividends over at BAT. Were I going to list my car there, I would even get a PPI done first. Better to just get everything out in the open so it's not open to endless speculation like the 2004 we're discussing...
So, this one was a contender as my next 996.... But they sold it on Saturday. It had been listed for MONTHS!!!!!
https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/23049729
Carfax showed it racked up a whopping 9700 miles in it's first 12 years of life, then another 80k over the last five.
Gotta admit I'm kind of bummed to miss out on this one, but at least I don't have to go to Miami for it.
Why? Unless you could get it for a song, you're going to go deeply into your pocket for analysis and repair, more than likely. I am sure you can find better. Just because Jake touched it 7 years ago doesn't mean someone hasn't treated it like a rented mule since.
Well Jake indicated failed IMS was the reason for the rebuild. Mechanical work is ranging from $2K - $12K. The top end is capped by Jake...really nice of him to do that.
I'm with 808 - to have a 3.8L 40AE from Jake that has significantly more juice with the bazillion modes of failure addressed?
But the way this guy has presented the car is likely indicative of the way the car was treated...I'd want to see that car in person. Assuming that went ok I think I'd go up to $20. If it only needs $2-4K, you scored. If needs $12K, I'd still be happy with it. Might need replacement lights and a drivers seat.
From Jake:
... If the issue is injector, O2 sensor/ catalytic converter or AOS driven (all of which can make for high fuel trim, washdown, and oil consumption) you might repair it for 2-4K bucks…. If the issue has gone on too long and created a mechanical issue, then we can repair the engine for around 10-12k at most...
More than likely this car needs an AOS or is running rich, or both. If the issue was mechanically driven it would have progressed well beyond the 500 miles/ quart as the problem got worse. Mechanical problems will only get worse. More than likely I could diagnose this issue in a few hours, and I doubt the engine would need to come apart, unless the long term underlying issue created mechanical damage...
I’ll give the new buyer a deal (at the prices I stated earlier) to repair it, (just so I can document what happened to it)...
Wonder how much profit could be made on flipping this one?
http://www.stevenscreekbmw.com/used/...7736995066.htm
'02 C4S, $22k, and in the best color... tip
Me thinks the reason why it's priced low is because of the tip.
I recall about a year a go, a very clean enthusiast owned 996T with 70K miles, for 35K, and the owner couldn't move it.
I thought about it, but didn't really want tiptronic.
I have been searching for a 996 with aero kit for months. I have a WTB thread in the classifieds but if anyone comes across one, please let me know. I would prefer a less common color but would consider everything but silver.
black on black mk1 just sold on BaT meng, you gotta up your search game. Also searchtempest (craigslist aggregator) can help.
Correction, still available.
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/199...911-carrera-2/
There was the black one in Denver that was highly modified and converted from a C4 to a C2. It wasn't exactly what I was looking for.
I have been watching this on in BaT. It looks pretty nice but I would make a few changes out the gate. It will be interesting to see what it sells for taking into account the buyers premium.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd/6036920677.html
Low-mileage 2001 C2 Aero in the Bay Area. Looks like full leather, too. Not a super inspiring colour though.
Not a Porsche.... but it made me turn my head sideways like a dog when it hears a high pitched sound. Definitely had a "say whaaaaaa?" moment when I saw this car:
https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/ctd/6037958404.html
Shopping for 996's is fun....
Red, Aero, IMS done, 123k miles..... Atlanta
downside... it's a Tip...
https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/19962559
I feel like that car has been posted here before, I remember those wheels.
I'm still getting over my disappointment on that yellow C4S down the street being a Tip. What a great looking car.
I test drove a 997 Tip before I bought the 996. I wasn't super impressed, I dunno. Easy to drive, I guess, but not all that inspiring.
PDK is a lot more interesting, at least in cars with Sport Chrono. In regular mode, it does dull the car quite a bit more than I'd expect, but Sport Plus sharpens everything. Hyper-responsive, and that's when you stop missing the manual as much. It's actually quite nice in terms of changing the character and feel of the car to suit the situation.
I dunno how I'd feel about PDK sans the Sport Plus button though (which you don't get without Sport Chrono).
I have been tempted by this yellow one for almost a month now. If it had the IMS done I would probably pick it up. After a PPI, budgeting for IMS, and getting it back across country it is a little out of the range I want to spend. He is willing to drop to $24k if anyone is interested.
http://www.ducautocollection.com/199...1-carrera.html
Wow, that's a beauty. It's a '99, so you're probably fine with the stock IMS. If you want to change it, just wait until it also needs the clutch done.
Looks like it has TC, which means it also has an LSD.
For the service history, mileage, and options, I would disagree. It's a fair and reasonable price. Can you find a cheaper 996? Definitely. Will you find one with the same options and condition for much less? Probably not.
Use a paint meter to compare the thickness of the paint at the door jambs to the rest of the panels. You can easily determine if the car has had paint repair.
"currently equipped with a 6-Speed Manual transmission"?? Does it have a trans-transmission that self identifies as a 6-Speed?
[QUOTE=808Bill;14023216]
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=161164299
One to watch if it suits your needs/wants...
Lots of 996s in the D.C. area right now. Happy to help if someone finds one they are serious about.
Among the list I found this one...
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...994557565.html
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...994557565.html
That one is literally down the street from me if someone is interested. There is also a good Porsche Indy (IMA) in the same building complex as this dealer that would be good for a PPI.
That car is a one owner car.... just talked to the guy, someone is coming to see it this afternoon. I will be in that area on Friday and, if things don't work out with the Y2K car I'm going to look at (and this one is still available) then I'll be looking at this one, too. Definite candidate, although I think the gray interior looks kind of boring compared to Black or Savanna Beige.
When I posted that it was only at 15k. Knew it would break 60, but didn't expect it to jump that fast. Slakker must have some alter egos bidding or something
Hopefully not a repost. 996T. Auto trans but either there's something wrong or the seller
really
needs it gone.
https://york.craigslist.org/cto/5990932036.html
$16K for a 52K 2000 Cab. Vin #Wpoca2996ys654220
5th owner. Low mileage. Good price.
Seriously considering it. Anyone come across this one?
https://newyork.craigslist.org/fct/cto/6031027432.html
That price is low for that car which suggests there is more to its story. The limited pics and description bolster that impression.
If you aren't prepared for $5k+ of work shortly after purchase, make sure that someone that knows the 996s well looks it over real well for you.
I'd say that with the season getting ready to turn and that mileage, it should be at least 18k and possibly as much as 22k.
I agree, although the Tip probably knocks off a couple K.
This car looks like it could be pretty well optioned - Litronics, heated seats, 3 spoke wheel - but you'll need to ask all the usual questions about its service history and go from there.
Check the top closely ... that's a fairly big ticket if it needs repair, as "repair" usually means "replace."
Since it's a MY2000, pay close attention to the build date (earlier is better, higher odds of a dual row IMSB).
More details:
Owned for 1 1/2 years
2 keys
No accidents
Original paint
No dents
IMS was not replaced
Clean carfax
The owner seems ok with an inspection. Car gets serviced at autotech in stamford.
Any recommendations for a good PPI around Stamford?
Only one I know of is SpeedSportTuning in Danbury. Miller Motorcars might be willing to do it but it's my understanding they sell everything in the exotic car market. There's a Porsche dealer in greenwich and a quick google search brings up someone called Morton Competition. I know nothing about either.
I'm more into the Classic Mini market. A few weeks ago, a car went for almost $13k that in my opinion, wasn't more than an $8k car. There wasn't anything special about it. Another time a $5k Mini went for about $8k. Again, nothing special about the car. It had some big rust concerns too. It's my opinion that the black 996 C4 converted into a C2 should have gone for $18-20k but it went for $24k. The seller did all the work (engine swap and other major work) himself and admitted to not being any type of expert mechanic. The problem is people use that site when pricing their cars so now you see cars listed on forums going up too. Great for sellers, not great for someone who isn't looking to pay over market value for a car.
If the cars are selling for that price, then guess what? That is now market price. It's almost always better to have bought last month than to buy next month- especially if it's a 911
I am looking further into the yellow 996 in Florida. Has anyone seen this happen on a 996? It looks like the engine cover was slammed down a bunch to get it to latch? The carfax is clean but it seems like a decent amount of force would be needed to get this to crack.
first of all, never trust CarFax. Ever. Ours has 5 accidents on it, all went through insurance, 2 had police involved, 0 show up on history reports for it.
If this pic is showing the area I think it is, the lid would have to be mangled to do that kind of damage.
Make sure you have that looked at by a good body shop. My bet is that it has indeed been in an accident and it was poorly repaired.
^^
I agree with gnat. Although it doesn't look bad, it apparently took a hit in the back and the repair job was shabby to say the least.
The weight of the rear light enclosure would never cause such a crack. Maybe the owner backed into something? Again, doesn't look serious, but I'd closely examine the engine compartment for residual damage. The crack can be easily repaired at a body shop. If I bought that car, I'd immediately paint that section to prevent the spread of rust, which is a car's form of cancer. If it starts, it can cost thousands to remove and repair.
30k is well under market for a TT, even a high mile Tip.
The milage is a massive red flag here. It doesn't list the actual milage, just what the current ODO says. Also seems to imply that a Porsche dealer replaced it with a used unit (the mention that they noted the milage difference)? I don't buy that as I have yet to meet a dealer that will let you supply parts (especially ones as lucrative for them as the cluster). So if it was done by a dealer I would expect a new cluster and they could have reset the milage in the new cluster to match the current.
This car has a story and I suspect it's not a good one...
Run the VIN in carfax or autocheck and that will reveal a lot to this story. The car has been through many auctions. The last auction only bid up to $25K and the owner passed on the sale. Obviously, the car has a major black eye with the discrepancy in the true mileage. It wouldn't surprise me that this car has more than three times the posted figure of 30K.
Daniel Jacobs' Hairy Dog Grrrage, in Oxford, came recommended to me by my local shop (Automotive Associates, in Canton) when I was looking for a PPI downstate.....its a bit far from Stamford, but mebbe the owner will work with you?
I think the asking price is way too high for this 2003 C4S even with the low miles (13,000) but I'd love everyone's input. Keep in mind no IMS fix.
https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/6043576268.html
First pic is all blurry (as if it was driving off), all outside what appears to be a dealer/shop except one which could be any random 4s of the same color? And they are asking 40k?
This is either a scam or a complete idiot seller.
Depends on how you define "Low-miles". There are many low miles (i.e. under 50K) that are selling in the $30K range, but most I've seen are 75000+ miles selling in the mid $25K range or lower.
Here is a current market summary:
For comparison, a rare 2005 C4S
I test drove this last week, it was great. I may actually buy this one but want to negotiate a bit on price. No IMS fix either. Anyone care to opine on valuation?
https://boston.craigslist.org/ctd/6018105830.html
Hagerty is a great resource. I try to blend all appraisal guides and then weight against average of list prices and auction prices (from bring-a-trailer) and arrive at blended value. Seems to work
That's been for sale for a long time. I just ran an AutoCheck on it for you, no accidents, scores a 91 which is good. Has some cool options:
342
Heated Front Seats
416
18-inch GT3 wheel
446
Wheel Caps with Colored Crest
680
Bose High End Sound Package
692
Remote CD Changer (6 Disc)
982
Supple Leather Front and Rear
E9
Midnight Blue Metallic
EX
Metropol Blue Full Leather
M6F
Metropol Blue Floor Mat
P11
Self-Dim Mirrors & Rain Sensor
P74
Xenon Headlamp Package
XCZ
Sport Shifter
Y05
Brake/Shifter Carbon/Aluminum
I think the price is reasonable minus a couple grand for an IMS fix
Thanks for running the check. I've seen it on sale for a while and it's historically been overpriced. It's come down a decent bit but I'm nervous (maybe wrongly) that there is something I'm missing.
It was great to drive....
I don't think you are missing anything. I am in the NYC area and almost went to look at this a couple months ago when I was searching. Yes, it has come down a bit. I don't think you are missing anything. It has good colors (thank god no grey) and if you could just get it down a couple or three grand more, I think it will be a smart buy. I went with a C2 X51 that I could not pass up, in the end.
I agree on the grey (it's so drab...test drove one with gray interior the other day and then got into the above mentioned c4s and it was way more inviting).
I agree on price.. $30k is where it should be but the dealer had just fixed the radiators and brakes and was holding firm (so I left). I hate when people try to recoup money on fix it's you have to make to sell a car....
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...t&CMP=atempest
Arena red, sport seats(maybe M030 option), nice wheels. Needs motor mounts. Maybe some other catch up mx. $15k asking.
Assuming (dangerous, I know) that the relatively low-miles engine runs well, that car is priced almost at a point where one could start to consider buying to part it out. Especially if someone were able to negotiate the price down a bit further...
Makes me wonder what that breakeven point really is???
Aside of the engine, there's the rims/tires, the aero package, the tranny, the seats and interior bits, and a ton of other parts....
Having shopped for parts online here and there, I can see why people open chop shops just for these cars.
I would speculate that because the engine has been apart. Plus tip, and some folks just don't like the aero pkg look. Hard car to sell, even though it appears to be well kept.
Could be worth a closer look at that price ... mileage isn't that high, nothing ugly in the Carfax, 6/98 build date. Has the usual scuffed seat bolster and needs center caps, but no obvious red flags that I could see.
True 99, 996 silver over black.....have no idea what options. 77K miles, $15.5K, looks like no IMS.
https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/6051201677.html
This car looks familiar. I think I was listed on rennlist as for sale by owner. If so the car had some issues and the previous owner had it in the shop.
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/6052779654.html
"2000 Porsche 911 140k miles auto silver with black interior. New battery, brake flush driver side window regulator, driver side valve cover gasket and oil change. Front and rear tires 70% tread life left. Front and rear brake pads 80% life left. Clean car fax vehicle has service records from new. Alacantara suede headliner on black leather. Switches and buttons have usual Porsche wear for this mileage, all are functional. Needs rear spoiler and passenger door latch. 8k"
https://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/6052875100.html
"This little beauty is in excellent condition. Arctic silver metallic original paint job, dark blue leather interior, with retractable rear fin. All service records, included. M96/03 6cyl engine. G9601-no LSD gearbox. "She corners like she's on rails". This car is fun to drive and the retractable roof and sun screen make you feel like you are in a true convertible. Garaged inside, safe from the elements and miles were kept low. She is completely ready to drive and enjoy. Spring time is the best time to see and feel all this car has to offer. To set up a test drive please send text or call for appointment. Serious offers only."
https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/ctd/6052475605.html
Not a 996, but an interesting car....
"2005 Porsche 911 (997.1) Carrera S finished in paint to order Ferrari Fly Yellow over Black leather. This 911 is CARFAX certified and comes with a clean Oregon title and a CARFAX report that shows a great deal of care. This has always been a west coast car and has been owned by mature non smoking owners.
Well equipped with ceramic brakes (PCCB), adaptive sport seats, active suspension (PASM), sport chrono package, sport shifter, navigation and Bose sound, and heated front seats. This Porsche also has had the steering wheel and emergency brake wrapped in alacantara which improves the look and feel of both dramatically.
All maintenance is current, tires and brakes have a great deal of life left, and the 60k service was completed on time. Vehicle comes with a set of original manuals, full set of mats, and a master key."
This has to be one of my favorite 997.1 setups, Fly Yellow looks fantastic. PTS and C2S 6MT means it'll be worth something down the road. Shame about the lack of full leather, but everything else is dead on. And a rear wiper!
Milwaukee, WI Craigslist posted 3/19/17
Porsche 911 27k low miles - $33500
2008 Porsche Carrera S (all wheel drive)
Guards Red
Tan leather (full leather) seats with Porsche Logo
Cruise Control
Tequipment shift **** (optioned)
Tequipment e-brake (optioned)
Porsche crest on seats (optioned)
6CDC (optioned)
Currently 27,xxx Miles
[phone removed]
2008 997.1 C4S For Sale $33,500
Hehe.
"Center, Ghost lima two fox fox requesting level 6-0-0".
"Ghost fox fox, it's all yours sir, if you can get up there."
"Roger, center - Ghost, DESCENDING to 6-0-0".
Wow! Okay, so that's the NJ Millennium Edition that was at $25k buy-it-now leading up to that... Looks like it was a very well kept car with added aero package and reasonable 78k mileage.
For what it is, and for how it looks I think that was priced quite fairly at $25k. assuming the mechanical condition holds up to the visual condition!
I hope an RL'er is getting that one.
Ebay displays international listings as well if you ask it to do so!
So it's "available" in Europe as well - the drive home would dwarf the road trip of a Canadian buyer!
Hope there is some cocaine in the frunk or something, cause a $34k car that is not.
The only thing "appealing" about that car is the pho 997 GT3 RS bumper. I'll save you all from defining my version of "appealing" in this context though. At least the real GT3/Aero bumper isn't too expensive, so that is an easy fix to an otherwise nice looking car.
Price shows $32k right now. Maybe he heard you. I hope he gets it. Rising tide lifts all boats - right? The whole aero pkg with spats too. Looks very, very clean from the detailers, but I agree - that front clip is a mistake.
I'll be in OK this wknd if anyone wants me to look.
Yeah it looks very clean, that front bumper is terrible, but like Gnat state it is a somewhat inexpensive fix, but the car is priced pretty high to begin with though.
I could have misread and merged the 54k milage with the $32k. Even if the price did drop, that's still a minimum of 10k high for that car
Maybe it's a "I'm trying to sell it dear, but there's just no interest!" deal...
lol just passing it along. There are a few nice examples on there right now but nothing that I'm looking for. There's a green targa that looked really nice.
$1900 woo! I am looking for a Project car but Yeish. If was in a little better shape. My wife purchased a Boxter and I kind of love it but I am used to my S6 v10 and AWD. Would like to find a rolling Chassis. Don't really need an engine I would really like to do that renegade hybrid LS swap.
Got amped when I saw this one (I like white)...
https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/6017244729.html
until AutoCheck showed "left front impact with a median barrier" and the condion was listed as "frame damage" at auction after the accident. Another recently reported accident in 2016.
^^ Yea, seriously $1900 is a stretch since the current owner sold off the tranny and motor. Looks like the hoods are gone. Wonder what's ripped out of the inside? As rough as the car is, the wheels are still in good shape. Talk about irony. Normally the wheels are the first things to get crapped out.
Those aren't deal killers, you just need to make sure it gets checked out by a body shop that specializes in 911s to make sure the repairs were done right.
The passenger seat and steering wheel look terrible, but otherwise the car looks good.
I think $20k is high though. Maybe $17k is a good number to be worth a serious look.
Damage on the CarFax is not a death sentence. I think many prospective Porsche owners overlook nice cars because there is an accident on the CarFax. 996s and 997s are steel cars. Many have been raced and banged back into shape with no ill-effects. A friend raises a 997 in World Challenge. It's been bent a few times since he's owned it and it's still winning races.
A well-repaired Porsche 911 can be a very good buy. Think about it, people are paying $50k for 80's 911s. Many of those were probably bent at some time. Why would one pass on a previously bent, well repaired, 911 because of a collision listed on the CarFax? If the car checks out, drives well, and has most everything else you want, go for it. Save the money and enjoy the Porsche.
Do not let well-done repair work scare you off. Would you pass on a car that had a major mechanical issue repaired? Would you even know? Same for bodywork; you're not going to tape the CarFax up in a window.
In general, I agree, Darkhorse. However, I am not looking forward to wasted day off and wasted money of a PPI just to find out it was done wrong. The last car I made a deal on did have an accident reported, I took a chance on it and when it came to the PPI saw how badly the body work and paint had been done. I am, as they say "once bitten, twice shy".
I think that car will do well there, despite the paint & miles...
Yup, the "Racing Addition" is the one they all want... Surprised he's only asking $18k! LOL!
Many thanks to GNAT for helping me do a pre-purchase inspection on a 2003 Targa in the DC area this past week. If not for this thread, I would have never have contacted him and proceeded to move forward with my discussions with the seller. He invested his time and really supplied me with a lot of information about the car that neither the seller or a service shop PPI would have offered. The IMA Motorwerke guys were very helpful also in handling the technical issues and GNAT gave them a few "suggestions" to consider as they checked over the car.
I flew up on Saturday and purchased the car and drove it back to North Carolina. No issues on the drive and very happy with the purchase. My 928 now has a new garage buddy to keep it company!
Contrary to the image I foster around here, I'm happy to help
Glad it worked out and I hope it gives that 928 a long companionship.
Now thanks to driving your car I need to scratch up the money for those Bilstein coilovers and PSE for ours
You'll have to get used to us being a snarky bunch
That was in reference to the post before yours for the find of someone selling a "Racing Edition" 996 (no such creature).
I inquired about this one back in January before I bought my coupe. Here is what the dealer told me about condition:
It has 85K miles. We replaced the fuel pump, and it has a new battery. The delay has been the instrument cluster, which is just arrived from Germany, and will be replaced all of next week. The condition is OK (it was well driven), and it is priced accordingly. The good news is that extensive replacement of mechanical issues will have been completed.
I do have a whole host of people who know this model year who are very interested. I would say if you are a Porsche enthusiast that is familiar, and want a well priced vehicle that it is worth the look when we have it back. But, it is not pristine.
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That scared me off. It appears their "whole host of people" haven't pulled the trigger yet.
Originally Posted by Agent Jester View Post
https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/ctd/6053780840.html
1999 silver/grey Cabrio with 85K miles. $15,000
Agent Jester and Vandalizer: I inquired about this car too, geez, months and months ago. Sales person told me same thing as Vandalizer mentioned (new fuel pump, battery) and they were waiting for an instrument cluster. I doubt the car is even still around the dealer. This Lexus dealer had Kummrow Automotive working on it, and it was there for a long time. The dealer has littered Craigslist with this car, and it is annoying to keep seeing it in search results with one stinking picture.
If I am wrong, and someone wants a local check on the car, make sure it is there and I will go, or Vandalizer will. So Vandalizer, did you recently purchase a 99 996? Curious as I looked at a black one at Umansky.
Thanks guys.
I would be happy to put eyes on it. Curious that it is/was at Kummrow. I didn't realize they did Porsche work.
I did buy the black '99 that had been at the Umansky BMW dealer. I wasn't necessarily looking to buy right then but the condition was amazing. I had my regular Porsche mechanic go over it and then he did the RMS/IMS/clutch before it even came home.
Feedback wanted. Is my car priced reasonably?
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/6059012035.html
If not, suggestions as to what a reasonable price is would be much appreciated.
VivG, yes I think you are priced appropriately. You have a beautiful car. You should end up north of $20k, so your asking price is in the right place. These cars don't have accurate auction info.
Wow. For that thing? Seller is smoking crack. That's a $12k car at best.
Actually probably just about perfect. Only thing that may hurt you is that there always seem to be a handful for sale in the Bay Area which will drive prices down a bit. GLWS
Here's another silver one without aero and with 116k on the odo for half price...
https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/ctd/6061999635.html
It's about 10 miles from me, so hit me up if anyone wants me to go check it out...
Way off. I suggest $22995.
I think your car is within range for the market. Once you price it, you can always go down, but harder to ask more. It shows regular care and feeding, knowledge of the marque, and it's not silver, black, gray. I'm guessing it'll be on the market for CL for a while, and the option of running it on BAT might be better. CL is kind of the low-ball audience.
On a side note, I think you did fine with the pics, but if possible, take it to a nicer location, like the one with the bay behind. The urban pics don't often sit well with Porsche buyers. Maybe park it in front of one of the gated mansions and snap a few pics. Or over to Marin headlands, or something.
Looks very promising if someone wants silver/black... from looking at the stitching around the dash, this car has full leather package. It also has the smaller exhaust tips, so it seems to be a relatively early '99.
This could be a great car to drive long term and not give a damn about miles...
I don't see any any stitching and other than on the speaker grills I can't think of any stitching in ours which is double full leather (seriously, there are 2 different full leather options on it).
As far as the dash itself, they armor all'd it to hell and back so it's hard to tell what it is. I can tell you that the areas around the vents, the horseshoe, and the center console are plastic though, so not entirely full leather.
Yeah at that price it is tempting to start a collection like Slakker...
The stitiching around the elongated dash gauge popup oval is definitely a sign of leather interior upgrade, best visible if you look at pic 9 and zoom in as much as you can on your PC. It may not be the full leather upgrade all the way out to the vents and such, but I'd bet the door panels and dash are leather... Center console looks standard, whereas the full leather center consoles and armrest compartments usually have a similar double-stitch as well. It would be good to see the build-sheet or under-hood sticker on that one.
Had I not just bought my 2000 Millenium Edition, I'd be all over that car.... The mileage wouldn't scare me.
I think it's a tad high. Perhaps that is why you're not getting any bites?
When I put my car on the market, I put it up for a fair price, and several offers for my asking right away. The market pretty much dictates the price of the car. I bet if you drop 3-4K, you'll probably get it sold in a few weeks.
Ah yeah, now I see it and seeing it makes me recall it in ours as well. I guess after staring at it so long you just forget some details. That or I'm getting senile in my 40s...
I forget, does the ME have the leather vent slats? I know it has more than the standard full leather, but I can't remember if it was "herd-o-cattle" level or not...
The leather on my ME is on dash, the door panels, center console and rear side panels, but not the vents. There is a black plastic bezel that goes along the entire outer frame of the dash under the security system blinky light that leads to the vents and gives it a two-tone look. So, maybe a 7/8 of the herd-o-cattle level.
https://www.carfax.com/vehicles/WP0A...rera--columbus
https://www.carfax.com/vehicles/WP0C...carrera--tampa
And a clean low mile AE
https://www.carfax.com/vehicles/WP0A...rsary--hickory
I posted this over in my thread about what I'm looking for, but what does everyone think of this one:
https://www.carfax.com/vehicles/WP0A...a--harbor-city
Cosmetics look fine in pics. Needs motor mounts badly. In my limited experience, if the MM have been deferred it will also need in the next 12-18 months:
Water pump
Ign key elec module
Starter-alt Y cable
Front trans mount
Invasive rads cleaning
Nothing big or costly, just a catch up of things not yet done unless documented.
Ask them to take a pic of the option sticker behind the inside frunk latch and send it to you.
Thanks Doc, good info. I sent them an email the other day asking if they had any documentation and got back a form letter with the ad again and "other cars I may be interested in." If I pursue it'll have to be over the phone.
Should have included this one above. The price and this color are right. Looks to need motor mounts too.
https://www.carfax.com/vehicles/WP0A...-breaux-bridge
SOLD!
Text says grey leather, but that's black in the pics. And if the seats are leather (standard option was not leather, though you see very few of those), then that is the only leather in the car. That car looks like it was as close to a stripper as possible new.
The deal with the lack of leather is that it's cars like this that give the 996 a bad name over their interior. It will feel really cheap and of poor quality. They didn't show any of the common areas, but it's also really common for the plastic on the center console and the horseshoe to get scratched up really badly.
Finding a car with more leather in it (ideally a full leather car) will be worth the effort in the end.
This is like the one in jatee's neck of the woods. If it checks out (and it will have at least $5k of random things) then this is a steal of a price. At least the FL car is over 100k to help justify the price, but this one hasn't hit the magic number yet.
It looks nice in the pics, but my money is on there being something that justifies the price being 4-5k low.
Accidents and odometer seem to check out on carfax and another free Vin check site. I will pay for a report if I am interested. I sent the dealer an email asking for documentation and whether they are open to a thorough inspection. Thanks!
Mike:
Check your PM's in a minute...I'll send the Autofax on both over to you. I find Autofax to be much more accurate in terms of registration/title events. Carfax undercounts the number of owners frequently.
At the risk of dominating the thread, I just asked the seller of this one the usual questions, as well as for more pics.
https://santabarbara.craigslist.org/cto/6062984951.html
But? 185000K miles is high, what else needs attention. There are much better bargains out there. I just talked to a dealer that took a 996 in trade. Few days later the engine failed due to IMSB...
Bummer this one got sold out from under you... the low miles, 6/98 build date, Arena Red and upgraded sport seats really made that a fantastic deal. IMSB not really expected to be an issue in such an early 996. Even with $5k of work needed (which is a reasonable assumption at this point) the buyer scored themselves an awesome deal.
I've read that super low mileage 996s can be troublesome. Can someone enlighten me as to why? I found one at the very top of my budget with 25k on the clock.
Drew, for years there has appeared to be a correlation between low milage and problems. The IMSB failure, for example, has plagued more garage queens than DDs.
There are two underlying principles to this. The first is that fluids are not regularly circulated which allows things to dry out and age prematurely. The second is that such cars are less likely to get properly driven (fully warmed up, good revs throughout the range, etc..) which can have negative impacts to wear patterns.
That's not to say low milage is bad, but it's far from "well preserved" idea that most people have.
Ok that makes sense, thanks. Of course the IMS would be done immediately if it weren't done already. Last thing I want is to chase abnormal engine issues caused by
lack
of use rather than issues consistent with regular use.
My general feeling is that if you want a garage queen to be a garage queen, buy low miles. If you want a car that can be driven and enjoyed for what it is, get something in the 70-100k range.
They're beautiful cars but I prefer to drive the hell out of a car than look at it. I was looking for more in the 50k range because I don't plan on keeping it more than 3 years. My viewpoint is that it'll be easier to sell a 70k mile 911 than a 100k mile car.
A third principle that I'll add to gnat's list, is that it can take upwards of 25k miles for the bearing to even reveal the issue...
I'll try to explain... Since single and dual row bearings are affected by the issue, there is a belief around this problem out there that roll-out in the actual IMS shaft itself is what ultimately causes the bearings to fail. The thought being the varying amounts of roll out in the shaft will slowly beat up the weakest point at the end points, being the IMS bearing, until it meets its untimely demise.
Only Porsche seems to know for sure EXACTLY what causes the IMSB to ultimately fail... and they aint talkin'. However, there have been engine builders who contribute to this site on a regular basis who have confirmed dissecting M96 and M97 engines and finding IMS shafts with rollout. Logic dictates that a dual row bearing (less than 1% failure rate) should hold up better versus such stress than a single row bearing (8-9% failure rate). And since both types of bearings have failed, one should look to what other parts they have in common and might be a contributing factor.
On the flip side of that, there have also been many M96 and M97 engine failures that have occurred where the IMSB got chewed up due to some other failure, but IMSB was the easiest explanation.
The general rule of thumb that seems to be holding true is that if you have a high-miles car still using it's original IMSB, you are generally safe. As to what that high miles number actually is, that's debatable. But, at 25k, you're right in that danger zone of when many of the 996 mkII and 997 IMSB failures started to rear their ugly head....
The IMS shaft isn't true so there is a wobble.
It has also been found that there are manufacturing defects in some crankcases that cause alignment issue which cause stress on the IMSB.
It was mis-stated slightly. The IMS suffers from run-out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run-out
An eccentricity in the support surface or bearing support area which causes the shaft, or bearing, or both to wear prematurely.
I got some additional pics for this one:
https://santabarbara.craigslist.org/cto/6067198063.html
Anyone see any issues?
Also:
Tidy Arena Red one in Oregon:
https://medford.craigslist.org/cto/6012476332.html
I don't care for black, but that looks like a screamin' deal. Sport seats, and lots of leather inside. The arena red is my choice, but if you like black might grab that up.
Thanks Doc. I am arranging a PPI for next week at Schneider Autohaus, who have seen the car for maintenance previously. No documentation but the PPI sounds comprehensive (Durametric, etc.).
OK! Inspection scheduled for this Thursday, the 6th on the black car above.
I am prepared to make an offer based on the results, so I am crossing my fingers.
It would appear that participating in this thread is against the rules unless you are a paid member.
I posted a link to a Craigslist find I discovered the other day and my post was deleted as an attempt to buy or sell.
Please explain to me why me asking for others' opinions on the value and condition of this car is considered buying or selling. I suppose I'll be finding another Porsche forum.
Yeah, that's a great deal assuming it checks out. Leather airbag is pretty fly, that was a pricey option back in the day. Not a huge fan of the BBS wheels, but put it back on a set of OEM Lightweights or Twist IIs and it'll be golden.
Hopefully it doesn't sell before you get a chance to get it PPI'd. Supposed to be pretty great weather this weekend.
I'll try this again, and I'll quote my post so the context is clear.
... or... I would but the listing has expired, what timing:
https://vermont.craigslist.org/cto/6022518647.html
To summarize, 2000 Carrera, 185k mi. Black, GT2 Wing. $13500 asking price. I'm curious to know how you all would value this car, considering:
IMS and clutch were done together at 130k, 4+ years ago.
The car is from out of the salt belt and was wintered in a garage, but is well within the salt belt now.
The interior and exterior are in good shape, some slight fading of paint on the wheel arches.
One mechanic I spoke to who has worked on it mentioned slight misting around RMS/IMS territory and suggested clutch/flywheel/IMS/RMS and quoted me $3700 for it all. Another shop currently used told me no leaks, everything is tight and good to go.
So... I'm curious if you would come up with the same value for this car, around $10k, that I have.
As pissed as I might be about my previous posts being deleted, I will say that this thread has been instrumental in posting comparable vehicles for me to consider against this. A flight to Florida to pick up a C4 for the same price with 120k has helped me put this car in context.
That's odd that your post got deleted, now that you mention it I remember seeing the post as I recall opening the link and thinking how much I hate the fake GT2 wings on narrow body cars...
I'd say $13.5 is actually a reasonable price for it, but it will sit a long time as most will be afraid of the milage. I don't think $10k is unreasonable as a first offer though. If they don't want to sit on it (or are tired of sitting on it), they take that or something close.
The first Tech you talked to is probably better one here. It's time based on milage alone its time to replace the IMSB again. If you are in there for that it's pretty silly not to do the clutch and RMS while you are there regardless of the state.
No matter what, however, a 996 under $17k is going to need money put into it. Count on $5k to start, but maybe more. My rule of thumb is to plan on any sub-$20k 996 to ultimately cost you about $20k when all is said and done. Some will be better and some will be worse, but I think it's a good initial plan to go by.
Luciendar21, you had some solid answers in the other thread. However, the only value that matters is the value YOU place on it.
If YOU are ok with a car with this kind of mileage (me, I wouldn't), throw an offer of $10k at them and see where it goes if you think that price is good. What is the worst that happens? They say "no" and you up your offer if you think it is a car you want.
Depending on which IMS was used, you KNOW you will be replacing it in 1-2 years or less. Clutch would be a good idea, too since the mileage was getting up there on the clutch. You know that cost based on the quote you got....over $3k.
Forget about all that "garaged always" or "grannie drove it to church on Sundays only" stuff, because it is likely BS and can't be verified anyway (well, it can to a degree...faded trim, yellowed lenses, etc).
At almost 200k miles, there's a lot of stuff that is going to be worn in that car and I think $10k is not a bad offer knowing what DOES have to be fixed. Especially when you can find examples with half the mileage for just a few thousand more in asking price.
By the way, I think it is worth $9,629.37 and not a penny more or less. ;-)
I bought my 2003 with a fresh 60,000 mile service and still spent $5k the first year in maintenance to get it back to good shape.
All in all, I was into my car for $26k the first year.... makes me wish I would have bought the 40th anniversary in town with all documentation for $32k looking back. To any of you looking at a 996 right now. I hope you have $5-6k laying around after the purchase because a 15 year old car will have issues you don't notice at time of purchase.
I did? Well, I would have enjoyed reading them if the thread hadn't been deleted by the mods.
In regards to the "garaged always" claim. I wasn't asking so much if the owner kept it in a garage out of the sun or rain. I was asking if they drove it in the winter... a New England winter will eat cars, even well painted cars like Porsche and Volvo. The owner claims it was never driven in winter since she owned it and that it came from outside the salt belt. That's enough for me to at least proceed to the next step, which is putting it on a lift during PPI and I'll know quite quickly if there is rust or corrosion. Even for me the car is 3hrs away (one way), so I want to be as sure as I can that the car is worth it before I make the trip.
Isn't there a recent thread from a guy in Jersey looking to purchase a west coast 996 and drive cross country? I think he was even looking at yours. You should touch base....
Edit: duh, it was MikeinBloomfield who I now see has been very active recently on this thread.
Luciendar21....yeah, I know...I live in New England.
BTW, if a 3 hr ride to look at a car is turning you off, you might find your search very frustrating. I was driving 3 hours to check out cars in NJ and LI every weekend for a month and a half, lol. There's just not as many cars to look at up here as there are down in FL or in Cali.
Good luck with the search.
That is a very 90s color. Looks super well optioned but I don't think I could stand ever owning a car with that color. Color is very subjective so to each their own.
1999 C4 Ocean Blue, 58k miles asking $23k, FULL leather, records since 2000
Located in San Fran., but ad is in Bothell, WA
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/6063295805.html
1999 C4 58k miles, manual
2000 C4 Silver/blk, ONLY 12K miles, $35k, one owner, hardtop
https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/ctd/6068070293.html
http://www.fiatofkirkland.com/used-S...CA2998YS650587
It is almost like a time capsule.
2004 Targa, 65k miles, manual, silver with dark blue interior, asking $24k
What are the additional issues concerns with the Targa models? This one appears to be a good example.
https://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/6052875100.html
2004 Targa
It adds something like 210 pounds at the very top of the car, exactly where you don't want it, since it raises the center of gravity. That affects handling a bit, depending on what you can sense. Other major options like the cabriolet top, Tiptronic, and 4WD also add weight but less and way down lower. And depending on driver size, in the Targa there is a "rail" on the left above the window that houses the Targa roof tracks-- I am taller and hit my head if I leaned to the left.
BAT seems like a bit of a pain (commenters, misinformation/FUD around IMS), and their reserve is a bit conservative I feel like. It's pending sale now, maybe I'll go BaT the next time I need to do this.
I cross-posted it to Seattle Craigslist (my other West Coast location) just for broader exposure, turns out that may be what actually sells the car.
Four local-ish 99's, three with varying degrees of engine work - not that I'm looking, but it's fun to see what's out there.
1 -
3.8, silver and bling
, $27,400
2 -
Guards red
, $22,000
3 -
Arena red
, $22,500
Obvious caveats re someone else's rebuild, especially the guards red car that has less than 5k miles since the work was done. I love that Arena red though.
And one more:
Red C2 tip
, 83k miles and "all Porsche service", $16k - seems pretty good value if you don't want a 6spd?
TBH, I wouldn't really call it a search. I'm not specifically hunting a 911, or a Porsche for that matter. I'm more rather just waiting for the right deal on something interesting and sporty comes up nearby. I was thinking a BMW 850i, the wife wants an 04-05 WRX STi, I'd really like a 98-02 Viper but they're still just a bit out of my budget in the $30k range, maybe an E39 M5 as I've always liked BMW saloons, and ultimately I've always thought of the 911 as being the ideal daily drive: It's small enough to be easy to park, for 2 people it has plenty of space for luggage or groceries, it's fast and fun to drive, its sexy and gets respect both parked and on the road, and it's reliability is legend.
Ultimately though what I'm looking for is a small, sporty car that I can buy, run for a few years with my paltry 3k-5k mi/yr, and then sell it for what I bought it for. So let's say I buy this car for $11k and put $3500 into it, could I sell it 2-5 years from now with 200k and excellent condition for $14500? Maybe, but I'd be a lot more comfortable under $14k... so, long story short I'm going to shoot for $10k with a cap of $11k and if the owner says no, oh well.
Also for point of reference and in spirit of this thread (albeit blasphemously), if my budget was a little higher I'd probably grab
this 01 M5
for $18k. In that condition at 117k in 2-5 years, I'd probably be able to make $5k on it.
Nice little 6 speed cab with 101k miles, asking $15,900. No affiliation, but just about 10 minutes from me if anyone wants a Rennfax done. Appears to be private seller. Nice part of town.
https://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/6045159446.html
E39 M5 is a stellar choice. I was deciding between E39 and 996 initially, went 996 primarily because I wanted to try a non-BMW (my previous car was an E46), but the allure was too strong and I ended up going down that road anyway. Considering how practical and comfortable it is, the sheer power and capability of that car is untouchable. They're going up though, clean, low-mileage E39 M5s are real money now, especially in desirable colours (LMB, especially, but also Imola and Alpine).
996 is hard to get away from though, it's an old school sports car that really focuses on the important stuff (the driving experience), and it's an unbeatable value. More practical than going down the Boxster road, too.
That seems nice, same colours as mine. Decent deal if it's been well taken care of.
Sort of the same boat I'm in. I loved my E34, but this will be car #4 for me, so I just really don't need 4 doors (other cars are a 2nd Gen 12V Cummins Dually, 3rd Gen 4Runner with Lockers, and a Saab 9-3 Viggen). I've had a BMW and I loved it, and I've had a WRX and I loved it, but this time around I want something that stands out a bit more.
I feel like I'm hijacking this thread, so I started
another to ask a question about maintenance costs
.
Wow! That Teal 996 in Seattle is very nicely optioned.
LSD
Trip computer
Full leather dash & door panels
993 Hollow Turbo Twists.
That shade of Teal seems to be VERY rare. Was that a paint-to-sample color?
Bottom line, if someone on Rennlist is considering this car, you need to ****** it up ASAP!
I wonder if the LSD still works properly?
Refinished sets of the widebody 993 Hollow Turbo Twists sell for $3-$5k on the used market, I think the 18" narrow body offset hollow twists are even more rare than the wide body rims!
Someone could buy that car and sell off the rims and replace with solid twists and recoup some of that expense. Or keep the car 100% original (I'd change headlight/tailight & side markers to non-yellow OEM versions) as this one might be one of those 996's that is primed to go up in value sooner than later... Bottom line, it's not one of your standard low-optioned Silver/Black, Dark Blue/Gray or Black/Black coupes out there in such high quantity...
IMHO, for the price, that car is very much worth it...
Here is my deciphered options list...
Code Description
220 LSD Limited Slip Differential x
224 Traction control ABD Automatic Braking Differential x
234 Internal production code related to tyres x
408 18" 993 Turbo Technology hollow spoke wheels x
424 CD compartment x
438 8-way electrical seat, right x
448 Sports brake pads x
490 Sound system, MY2002-> Sound system Harmann analog x
498 Without model designation on rear end x
659 Board computer x
688 CD-radio Becker Porsche CDR-210 USA x
939 Draped leather rear seats x
946 Leather front seats with leatherette backside x
981 Leather dashboard and door panels x
982 Draped leather front seats x
X54 Stainless steel tailpipes x
X70 Stainless steel door entry guards with logo x
X71 Alu-look instrument faces x
X97 Gear lever **** with aluminium inlay x
X98 Handbrake lever with aluminium inlay x
4 of the options we originally spec'd out for her's, but they only offered them as part of a package for MY01 which conflicted with other packages we had to take to get other options she wanted.
00 had ala-cart and they went back to it in 02. Still irks me to this day...
Nope that was a factory option. I believe it was even used in some of the promo stuff too at the time.
There is one that pops up for sale ever couple of years that is the same color, but it has the green interior. We make lots of fun of that car every time it pops up
I would advise seeing the color in person before buying one. Those pictures don't do it justice at all. It is one of those colors, however, that people either like or do not with very few falling in the middle.
I personally think it's a fabulous color, but then I like the Chromaflair (ME) too which is another that people love or hate...
Wow... good price on a 100k 4S in NY...
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...modelCode1=911
EDIT: LOL! Just realized it's the same car Rolex11 just postedabout..
I stoppped by and looked at this one in person on Saturday. Nice but certainly not a creampuff. I was actually thinking that the color would hurt resale some, but glad to hear others like it. I put it in the "maybe" column.
Are you sure about those wheels? Didn't look like anything I haven't see on any number of other early 996's.
From the outside they look the same as what you're used to, but if they are indeed the hollow turbo twists, the inside of the spokes will feel smooth.
The standard turbo-look twists are solid wheels and if you reach around to the inside of the spoke you will feel long vein-like ridges with your fingers. The solid wheels are a good bit heavier than the hollow wheels.
Wasn't kidding about the prices for the true hollow turbo twists. Look them up on ebay...
I dunno about that dealership, honestly. They had a low-mileage 996TT that I went to see, and it was relatively beat up on considering the mileage. They don't seem to know much about Porsches either, or at least the guy I talked to didn't.
A lot of 996.1s have the 993 Turbo-look wheels, which are solid-spoke and far heavier. The actual 993 Turbo came with the lighter hollow-spoke wheels, which were a rare option on 996.1. They look the same on the front side, but you can tell the difference by the back of the spokes (smooth for hollow spokes, two ridges for solid spokes).
Edit: Jaetee beat me to it. But yeah, they're super light and do improve steering feel (I have hollow spoke Twist II fronts on my Carrera 4.)
This is very nice. You missed option 222 which goes with LSD and ABD. This car is similar to one I was hunting out on the left coast. The color seems to turn some people off and the prices are reflective of that I think. Someone is gonna get a smokin' deal on this car. As a precaution, the seller lists the car as having 17" rims, and the option code is for the 18" turbo lightweight. Check the wheels CAREFULLY before dropping coin. Someone may have already snagged the hollow rims.
Black one above was sold before I could get it in the shop for an inspection. The issues with long-distance buying I guess. The Arena Red one in Oregon didn't respond, but I am following up. In any case, here are some other candidates:
Blue one in Michigan. I'd like to avoid cars that might be subject to a lot of salt, but nice color:
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...ngId=437047667
This is a 3.4, isn't it? In any case, I'd like to see some pics not taken in the dark:
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/6020028347.html
Nice red one in Texas:
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...ngId=424069466
With only 67k on the clock, I doubt this car saw a lot of winter use. In harsher climates, it seems like a lot of these cars are mostly summer drivers.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...modelCode1=911
Sorry if this has already been posted, but i'm interested to hear what your opinions are on this example. Car does have original IMS, RMS, and clutch. Owner said there isn't any metal shavings in the oil filter and the car doesn't leak any oil. If I were to buy, the first items I would take care of are IMS, RMS, and clutch. Hopefully he would budge a little on price because of this.
Items that have been taken care of.
Suspension (new H&R coilovers, new control arms)
Brakes (New porsche rotors with Hawk Brakes)
Water Pump was just replaced
AOS was replaced
Tires have 3k miles
The owner is moving to Arizona which is why he wants to sell the car. He is the 5th owner. Two of the previous owners on Car Fax check out to be dealerships. The car hasn't been beaten on by any means, but he did mention he drives it like a Porsche needs to be driven. The owner was pretty straightforward and upfront. Thoughts or concerns....
Looks like a nice car, guy did some work on it. And I'm a noob, so I hope you don't mind the question, but do you have to do the RMS if its not leaking? Or is it going to leak, so you do it before hand?
A few more:
Turbo conv 6spd
https://hartford.craigslist.org/ctd/6053795265.html
Not a 996 but thought it was interesting:
https://montreal.craigslist.ca/cto/6052960672.html
Turbo coupe:
https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/ctd/6052978148.html
Green C2:
https://newjersey.craigslist.org/ctd/6042248691.html
C2c 6spd:
https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/6043942900.html
Lapid C2 w/ aero. Exactly what I'm looking for but too much $$$:
https://southjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6057196508.html
Cash only and must have proof of payment before test driving? Bet the inspection will be in a dark alley...
Yes that would have a 3.4, not a 3.6. Unless the engine was rebuilt and it was bored out at that time, but they don't mention that at all.
I'd say based on what other >100k cars have been up for recently as well as this being a very low optioned car, it's maybe a couple K high, but it's not unreasonable. It's nice that he recently poured all that money into it, but you rarely get much of that back when selling.
The part is cheap, but the labor to do it is not. So if you have the transmission out to do the clutch or IMSB it makes sense to go ahead and do it as the last thing you want to do is drop the transmission again if it starts leaking shortly after you were just there. Ultimately they will all wear out and fail, but the question is how long that takes.
We had it replaced twice under warranty in the first 30k due to it leaking, but the 3rd lasted 12 years and 40ish K and was bone dry. I had it replaced anyway since the transmission was out to get rebuilt, we changed the clutch and flywheel, and the IMSB was done. Probably would have kept on doing it's job for a long time, but I would have been pissed to be staring at a leak now...
http://m.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=453404169
MikeinBloomfield, did you see this one posted earlier? Absolutely stunning. Makes me wish I hadn't jumped on the boring Arctic Silver and held out for something like this.
I have! I just got a message back from them actually. The issue is that it is an uncommon color and images on the internet do not do it justice. You need to see it in person to decide if you like it. On the other hand, I don't think I'd mind any color other than silver (no offense to anyone with this fine color car).
But its otherwise perfect. I have to think about it. Anyone in Jersey/NY/CT have a vesuvio mettallic car I can see?
Do a Google search for "Vesuvio Metallic". Depending on the light, it ranges from gray, to eggplant, to black. Neat color. It is not just "purple". Looks like in brightest light is when it is most eggplant color, overcast it is gray, and darker it looks more black.
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...lic-911-a.html
has some bright light shots....others to be found on Google.
BTW, the black Cab on LI, I talked to the owner a while back, but never went out to see it. Appears to be a guy with a fleet of expensive cars. Asked him about maintenance on the car and it was "whatever my mechanic tells me, he takes care of my Bentley, too". Probably pretty well taken care of.
I am really liking this black one more and more in Houston. Anyone see anything crazy in the pics?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-Porsche...m=152400454959
I wouldn't describe it as a dark gray like in that thread. I see it more as a black with a hint of blue, but we all see color slightly differently. The pics in that thread did do a good job at capturing the color when the purple comes out though.
Fantastic color, but you have to be the type of person to appreciate non standard colors like that.
I have driven this one. It looks much better in pictures than in person.
Mechanically it seemed okay, but it has lots of cosmetic issues on the outside. Lots of fading plastic, dull paint, etc. The salesman admitted that a few thousand in cosmetics and you would have a nice car. I don't remember the interior being bad, but it wasn't great either.
They would need to come down a few thousand before it would be worth your time. I would recommend seeing it in person before buying.
*Edit* It had been sitting for a while when I went to look at it. He had to jump start it.
I know, red ones are faster. Haha.
Thanks for all your guys help, I really appreciate it. I was planning on buying the one in Santa Barbara that got sold before I could get a PPI done, so I am looking at anything and everything. I wonder if milkshake all caps guy has a price in mind.
The two tone interior 996 in Michigan is under offer, apparently a deposit was placed over the weekend. I talked to staff about it prior...seems like it's in decent shape.
Here is an interesting one in Baltimore:
https://baltimore.craigslist.org/cto/6072541837.html
Owner has service records back to when he bought it in 2004. Owner is a corporate lawyer, so maintenance was most likely not deferred. LN engineering bearing put in 15,000 miles and 5 years ago, so I think that means it's due next year? Could be used as a bargaining tool.
I keep getting form replies from this dealer in Texas, so annoying. Beautiful car, though:
http://www.texasauto.com/used/Porsch...c895939ad9.htm
Did you look into the $14k car up the road from me? Or is mileage too high for your liking...? Looks like an early MY99 C4 with leather dash option from the pics...
https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/ctd/6067789914.html
The Baltimore car looks and sounds like a buy, drive, grin deal. Kind of a 'can't go wrong' car. Arena red is excellent.
The TX car is stunning. The only other color I like better is cobalt, but lapis is very suave. Noticed the huge amp in the frunk. Kinda cheesy. Says it has PSM, nice option. Wonder if the speakers were upgraded too. If not, you'll be buying new speakers very soon. Next time he calls, offer $16k CASH!! to get the ball rolling.
I like the way you operate. Installed 5 years ago, the LN Engineering bearing on the red one is coming to the end of its life (especially if its single row). Is that a concern now, or do I get it done after a few more miles?
That color on the blue is just stunning. I am going to do some research on PPI and try and get this guy on the phone.
The great thing about silver is that the headlight trim rings are silver and match the car perfectly. The silver headlight trim just looks odd and out of place on other color cars. Based on the headlight trim, I am guessing the Pcar designers wanted you to buy silver
2003 C4S blk/blk with 45k miles for 32k, IMSB done....with X50! Pretty good deal for a C4S if it's in great shape:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/142337245312?ul_noapp=true
EDIT: Whoops, link should work now
If it were closer to DAL I could hook you up with a good PPI, don't know a shop in HOU. gotta be someone there that can get it handled.
Red car is very unlikely that it's a single row bearing on a 2000MY car. But - no one knows except the guy who installed it. Ask for the sticker in the door jamb if it was done by a cert shop, maybe they can tell you which bearing.
Blue car in Texas is "sold." Sales manager said that "several people" did PPIs on it, but they sold it out of a different branch. So, my guess is that it has issues.
This the damge done on the on posted a few days back
http://www.miamiimports.net/2004-Por...3/Details.aspx
What's it worth really now with a rebuilt title?
I'd say $18k is pretty close to spot on actually assuming a good bodyshop looks it over and confirms that all repairs were completed to a high standard with quality parts.
Without seeing more pics, nothing in that pic screams that there would have been serious hidden damage. From that pic it looks to be almost entirely cosmetic, but it doesn't surprise me at all that the repair cost was passed the totaled threshold.
Most interesting to me in that pic is that it has two different wheels...
The different wheel says to me that the orig wheel was too damaged to move the car, and it needed a new wheel to get it on the hauler. This would indicate a serious possibility of suspension damage sufficient to make the car very costly to repair. Note also the front fender and good gap. Not promising. As for value, the picture tells me this car is now about parts value. Engine - $9k, trans 2k, brakes, trim, body panels, etc add up to maybe $13-15k for whole chassis. If I bought it, I would forever know I'm driving a totaled vehicle. It would bug me.
The rest of the damage (that we can see in the pic) doesn't appear to support that though. This looks more like low speed rubbing than a high speed impact that would break OEM wheels or cause hidden damage from the shock of the impact. It's worth noting that the air bags are not deployed.
I also discount it based on that appearing to be a OEM GT3 wheel on front. That's not a wheel I would expect anyone just happening to have laying around to help get a totaled car onto a carrier.
I just don't get this attitude unless you (proverbial) are buying as an investment (which a 996 is not). You certainly need to have it checked out to make sure it was repaired correctly, but if fixed correctly then it's all just in your mind.
Just from that pic I can see at least $10k, maybe $12k of work that needs to be done and that's just the superficial stuff you can see. That puts it easily in the 50% range for value so it's a no brainer that the insurance totaled.
So if that pic tells the whole story you are looking at both bumpers and associated mounting parts, the tail light, front fender, rocker cover, side marker, probably both wheel liners and mounting bits (some of the mounting bits at least), and labor to fix the rear quarter (it's welded in place). Since it looks like the front fender moved a bit there is the possibility the filler neck got damaged, but I'd guess not enough to matter.
Assuming it was all fixed properly (e.g. the rear quarter isn't now a giant wad of Bondo), how is the car impacted at all beyond just the price? So you get a decent deal and drive the hell out of it.
I just don't get people writing off perfectly good cars like that.
* I do reserve the right to be utterly wrong without penalty if more pictures surface showing additional damage. These views and guesstimates are entirely based on that one pic and I recognize it may not be the whole story.
Agree. 5 years down the road, if you enjoy the car, who cares? Buy it at a discount & enjoy it. This might be the path I need to go down to get into an air-cooled targa.
Interior is immaculate, very tempting...
And a nice white coupe,
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=171889041
Is it me or are those tires to narrow for the front rims?
Meh - it's the damage we can't see that will determine the value. If it was scrubbed wheel, they could have left it on for the tow. But - it appears damage enough that it wouldn't even go on the tow truck without a diff wheel.
As for my attitude, well - I hardly need to defend that. But - a 996 is kind of a bucket list, or at least a 'me want' kind of purchase. I'd be happy to drive a 1987 Dodge Omni that was salvage/rebuilt because - hey, who cares? Driving around in what most people consider a high end sports car with a branded title? Yeah, bug me. Not you - I'm ok with that.
Making assumptions on car body repairs is a good way to get hosed. I know a Ferrari F40 that was basically split in half, and was put back together and resold. Can it be done well? Sure. We're talking about a non-investment grade $20k car. Was someone going to spend $20-30k fixing it correctly? Meh
Wasn't an attack. Just saying I don't get it and laid the reasons why.
I guess I've just spent too much time around body shops and dealing with insurance that I know how little it can take to total a car. It's not like the older (80s and earlier) cars where totaling typically implied a catastrophic impact where the driver may not have walked away. So it just bewilders me that totaled cars get written off so easily.
Yeap which is why I clarified that my view was solely based on what we can see in that one pic. I've been around bodyshops too much and replaced almost all of the damaged parts shown on that pic, so my assumptions are actually based on practical experience in this case.
I could be way off if there is serious damage to one of the angles we can't see, but my gut says that's not the case based on what we see.
There isn't remotely 20-30k to fix that car (sans more evidence). If it was a shop that picked it up (don't know anything about the seller) that 10-12k guess of mine can easily come down between 5-7k due to markups getting cut and you'd pick some stuff up used (like the front fender and light housings).
If they got it for a good price they could do a quality repair and still be in it for only 12-15k. That all depends on what they picked it up for though.
Of course they could also have easily picked it up for a moderate price and then put lipstick on it rather than fix it properly. That is why you of course have a good body shop take a look as they can tell the difference between a good and bad repair.
I certainly wouldn't buy this car sight unseen or just based off a normal PPI, but I also wouldn't just write it off. That's all I'm saying. Due diligence is still king as it all things when buying a used car.
Yep, we're basically on the same page(cept for the attitude thing). So, you know the price of a Porsche right front fender for a 996 is about $660. But - I can buy a chinese fender for a Boxster for $179. I can buy a used fender off a Boxster from a wrecking yard for ~$160. Lather, rinse repeat for the rest of the bits. If the airbag went off, resolving that with Porsche new will be > $2400. But, I can stuff newspaper in the airbag hole, get a used controller, and bypass the sensors with a couple resistors. Total cost $240 and two hours work.
So, anyway what I see, is about 30% of the cost of what needs to be done. Go to Porsche, and it's an easy write-off. However, backyard Larry, with a torch, some putty, and access to a junk yard - it gets put back on the street and make a few bucks. Who knows? But - I still don't want a 996 with a salvage title because, I would know.
edited for accurate prices.
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Which is exactly why you get it professionally assessed by someone that knows the cars.
There is also nothing wrong with pulling salvaged/used parts for the repair to do it on the cheap and that is exactly how you make money on something like this. Hell, even insurance companies will try to quote you using used parts or the knock offs if you aren't careful and watching them.
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So this answers some more questions. It indeed appears to be restricted to the single side, but the wheels definitely tell a story. I had wrongly assumed that since it has the Carerra IIs now that those were what was on it, but we can see it was the GT3s.
So what I see here now is that it probably slid into something (curved barrier like at a track? just missed being t-boned and got tagged in the back which swung the front end around and into the hitting vehicle?) and the front and rear corners took the brunt.
What I see here is that it looks like a chunk of that rear wheel is missing which implies a significant hit (OEM wheels are pretty damn stout). Even with the rubber gone and it sitting on the rim, that wheel is pointing in a funny direction.
So with this new info I would say the book price for repairs was probably around $15k. Maybe more.
Based on that pic I'd bet that they picked it up around $6-8k or so which leaves 10-12k of space with their current asking price. I'd guess they are into it around $15k so we are looking around 8-9k spent on the rehab. If they have a good source for the parts and could do all their own labor at cost, it's still possible for it to be a legit repair.
Anyone interested in this car needs to have it looked at closely by both a mechanic and body shop with special attention paid to that rear corner. These cars are built like tanks back there to protect the engine so there is a good chance it's just mechanicals that needed to be replaced.
I'm shocked that it doesn't look like the airbags fired at all, though we can't see if maybe the passenger's door bag went off.
Mostly making sure it was indeed done to spec. Making sure there isn't any frame damage to that rear end. Making sure that for any of the mechanical parts that were replaced that new wear items (e.g. rubber/plastic bits) were replaced if it looks like he used salvage parts.
Basically this is a deal that has little margin (if everything was done to spec) so you need to look hard for cut corners.
What did it have, 80-90k on the clock? If he only replaced that one strut/spring and the others are original, that could have an impact on how it drives/handles/rides as the other 3 struts will be tired.
I agree, so long as the buyer is aware and has a qualified person check over the repairs what's the difference? In my area, it is hard to find any manual coupe for $18k, let alone a newer 3.6 car in a desirable color with an upgraded interior. The same money could likely buy a no-accident low-options 3.4 cab in black or silver if that's more important.
Start with the chassis alignment specs. Each car has a detailed diagram giving the corner specs, locations, weights, etc. Next, if it comes close on the chassis locations, do a corner balance. Some of this can be adjusted with shock adjustment, but if the chassis has a twist to it, the two opposing wheels will have different weights on the balance scale(think of a piece of paper, then twist it a bit, and you can have the idea of bad corner weights). Then, door/fender gaps, door close latch alignment, roof open/close.
Looks like the yellow car had a high-speed tango with a barrier. I've destroyed an aluminium rim before spinning a car at speed. Doesn't look to me like there was anything more than indirect contact with a car or barrier.
Has anyone heard of Lux Car Chicago (luxcarchicago.com)?
There is a car there that I am interested in. To quote the salesman, "we installed a new engine, trans, and clutch" !!!!!
The car is for sale for $19,000. So, this is a lie. However, in the extremely unlikely case that it is not, I need to investigate.
I plan to ask him where they sourced the engine, what size engine it is, and probably a million other questions. Any suggestions from the hive mind? Or should I not bother?
I looked up the car, it's not too far from me.....but if they did put in a new engine.....I would need a lot of details. What I don't like about the car is that it does not have a leather dash or door panels.....it's going to be very plastic inside. I personally would continue my look for a more highly optioned car. Mine has almost all the options for a 99 C4, including full leather and litronic, aero package. I paid $22K two years ago with 31K miles. This car seems over priced for the options it has or doesn't have.
How much is anyone discounting valuation for lack of IMS fix (even on higher mileage cars)? I always try to get a decent valuation estimate before each test drive and try to factor that in.
Vetting a 2001 C2, tip with 75k and limited options (rear wiper, aftermarket stereo) Saturday. No IMS fix but owner has all service records. Private party.$19k.....
Thoughts?
12 - 15k? I feel like that's 50% of value and/or cost of new engine. I understand the logic but that seems high and possibly to point where no seller would agree to it. Of course, the point might be that one shouldn't buy a 996 that hasn't seen am IMS fix. I've been reducing by rough cost of install, about 2.5 to 3k.
Anyone feel different?
If I were buying, I would value an untouched bearing higher than most replacements on the basis that you get to know the state of the original and the full details of the replacement. That wouldn't stop me from trying to take advantage of the hysteria when negotiating the price though.
That said I think Bill is way low with his estimate. I'd say 16-18k is probably on the mark, so I don't think 19k is a bad starting point unless he just refuses to budge.
The things it has against it as far as the market is concerned is that it is a Tip and apparently few if any desirable options. Having the records, however, works in it's favor and it is also right in the target for milage (plenty of room before the big 100, but enough to minimize IMSB concerns).
So if you like the car and it checks out I'd play up the IMSB and start at 16 and try to meet in the 17.5 range, but quibbling over 500-1k would be silly.
Yeah, hard pass on this one. Its not a new engine, it's a rebuilt one. He sent me the shop that did the work, but I am not going to trust a shop I don't talk to first.
Anyway, thanks for the input. I may have found the perfect car only 90 miles from me. Irony.
Are we talking about the same car?
The car I was talking about is (emphasis mine):
You quoted that post and said 12-15k which is what I was disagreeing with.
Gnat, appreciate the thoughts/advice. I'm running figures and seeing 16-18k for this as well. I'll let you know how the test drive goes tomorrow and if any options are there that I didn't get off the craigslist post (need to take photo of the option codes inside the hood).
I know buying items over Craigslist can have a some additional risk, but I don't see where most dealers offer any more assurance about the soundness of the car. I decided about two months ago that I was going to buy a 996 or 997. For me, the advantage of buying a 996 is that I would be able to pay cash without it being too painful. I would have some left over to take care of the IMS bearing and any other issues short of complete engine failure. I focused my search on 996s I found a 2002 in Texas a little over three weeks ago that I really liked and we started talking price. I live in SC so it was going to be a long distance purchase. The car looked great, but of course, the dealer had no mechanical history. I found this to be the case with most dealership cars. I wanted a 6-speed C2 in a non-silver, non-grey color. Deep blue, red, and black were my preferred colors. The Texas car was deep blue and looked great in the pictures. They wanted about 20k out the door which was near the upper limit of what I wanted to spend on a 996. They didn't seem willing to move too much. I had scoured the internet, but didn't think about looking at the local Craigslist listings until that time. A local seller in Greenville SC had a "bring a trailer" 1999 black C2 6-speed. The battery wouldn't hold a charge for more than a few miles/minutes and the seller was unable to determine the cause. I went over and looked at it and the seller seemed to be an honest guy. The battery was nearly new and had enough charge to start the car. I crawled around it listening to it run. I didn't drive it because all the dash lights were on and I knew it was running on the battery. The engine sounded good and the oil was clean and filled to the top dot. There was no indication of water in the oil. I looked the car over and there were a few bits and pieces that I would want to replace. The carpet had four holes cut in it under the floor mats where a roll cage had been installed. It turns out the owner for the first 16 years was Michelin Research and Development. Michelin has a plant in Spartanburg SC and that is where the car spent most of its life. Michelin installed the roll cage and GT3 seats. I am sure this car saw a lot of track time, but the engine sounded good. The roll cage was removed when Michelin consigned or sold the car to a local dealership where the second owner, the guy I bought it from, worked. Based on what I read on this thread, a lot of potential owners would have run, not walked, away from this car. I felt that the car was solid and the price was good, so I pulled the trigger! After all, I was only spending about half of what a new Honda Civic would cost. He had initially listed the car for 15k, but as you can imagine, there was very little interest in it. We struck a deal we were both OK with and I agreed to complete the purchase the next day. He let me put the battery in my Mustang GT to check it out. I charged it completely when I got home and the battery is good. It turns out that the battery ground cable to the body had a bad connection. This apparently ruined the original alternator, which he gave me, and the replacement he installed. After spending hours checking and cleaning the ground and positive cables, I installed a new Bosch alternator and it runs great. I have attached a couple of pictures from the day I brought it home, and a couple from a week ago after replacing the "smoked" tail lights and using a Sylvania headlight restoration kit.
Eric
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/share/171319441
A little more than I want to spend, but looks like a nice car, low mileage, in a rare color. Seven owners is the only red flag I see. Won't budge off $25k, which is probably a fair price. All original (no IMS work done). Owner is an interesting guy, from France and drove Formula 3 and won the 24 hours of Daytona in a corvette. Dealership is an atypical area.
$25 seems a bit high to me. Not much in the option department (on board computer and heated seats, litronics, upgraded wheels). Miles are low, but not amazingly so. I've seen cars in as a nice a shape and better optioned with less miles for about the same.
The Texas one has a clean Carfax...shows three owners. Odd, though, looks like it was registered in TX at the end, but still in CA as there was some CA service done. Texas Reg happened in 2013, some CA service after that.
Just test drove this 996 coupe:
https://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/cto/6070686316.html
Could be the one (finally) as I'm looking for a no frills daily driver. List is $19,500 but I think that's high given that it's no frills (seriously, 4 speaker stereo, no options other than rear wiper which I oddly like). Dash has some abnormal wear, as does center console (more than typical scratches). No IMS fix but it has made it 76k miles.
The tiptronic seemed to shift fine but there was a whine from the engine owner said was from a belt and that he was taking it in to get checked. I'm paying for a PPI while that "belt" issue is being looked at.
Thoughts on a fair value? I was thinking $17.5k and reducing down for lack of IMS.......
Without pics, its subjective if your description matches what I think. Unless the interior is trashed, it doesn't sound like a 15k or less car. I'd still stick with my original assessment, though I'd use the interior to help with negotiations
Sorry, craigstlist post has no images (not sure why anyone would try to sell a car without pics) and I didn't take any today during test drive. I do happen to know a prior owner (i'd be 5th), which is coincidence but comforting to a degree....we'll see what PPI brings.
I would consider adding money because the IMS hasn't been done. Unless you personally know the shop that did the work and when it was done, you are better off with the original IMSB in the car. Then, if you want the change, it will be your mechanic and your choice of replacements going into the car.
http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/6064485588.html
Original IMS. Documentation going back five years. Not in love with the wheels, but those are changeable. Decently priced for 81k
May be dual row ... would be useful to know the build date, although that's far from definitive.
It's pretty much a base car (like mine was), but this seems like a fair price. Those wheels would have to go, but that's not a huge expense. IMO, this one's worth a closer look.
That's come up a few times now (3rd?). If it's not selling for 33k, obviously adding 15k to the price is the right idea.
Hadn't caught it before, but apparently it has a salvage title to boot!
Maybe I should call for a test drive and see if I can weedle out who the salesman's drug dealer is, cause he's obviously delivering some pre-mo ****
Add me to the list of looking. Has to be m6 coupe and any colors except black or yellow. Purchase will be between April 17 and Dec 31. Willing to fly and drive for great deals. Need something else to go with my ZR-1. Daily is a jeep. Will be selling my 78 Vette. Have a roached out 944 turbo I may sell or restore. 2 fun cars or three? Storage space is the issue and time to maintain. I travel too much for work.
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...sting=78930594
Check the price history, someone is a bit high!
Strange, I spoke with these guys over the winter on another 911 Cab they were selling, they were reasonably priced, if a touch high....this one appears to be way off base....that's some good crack cocaine they're smoking
Nice 99 996 C4 with a Flat6 Innovations sticker in door jamb. FSI did the IMS bearing replacement. OK, always amazes me that I have never seen such a sticker on a car for sale. Seems to me this would be a great pic to show buyers. This car will not last long:
Hey, check out this car I found on Cars.com:
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...aff=share_text
This is because so few people sell vehicles after our work is completed. That job was done a good while ago, off the top of my head I'd say 2009 based on the serial number on my identification tag.
This year the people wanting to buy a solid 996 is INSANE! We were getting 4-5 calls per day from people wanting info about engine problems and which car to buy, till we simply stopped taking those calls. Everyone wants a car that we've touched, but those seldom come up for sale, like this one in your link has.
If people weren't so demanding and hard to please when it comes to a 15 year old used Porsche, I'd be inclined to buy and sell these cars with our work done. I can't do that. if I tried this, my reputation would probably last about 3 days, or I would tear someone's head off..... Maybe both. I have no patience for tire kickers, people with 10,000 pointless questions, while they search high and low for "their perfect baby".
ok, rant off!
GNAT - here's the link to craigslist that now has photos. Hard to see anything in these though. It's currently undergoing a PPI and a check on the engine whine/belt noise at a reputable shop north of Boston...
https://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/cto/6070686316.html
I recently sold a Ferrari from my collection.... It was much less stressful to sell a 200K Ferrari than it is a 15k 996! This is no exaggeration at all!
I've sold a lot of cars outright instead of trading them in, but I have to say for the record that Porsche buyers are some of the weirdest I've ever seen. But fortunately, there was a least a few coming to the table that were serious. Having the service invoices, taking time to repair all issues, and above all... being totally honest about the car helped get it sold quickly.
IMHO, your average 996 is going to continue to depreciate especially the high mileage, unloved examples. But the 996 cars that have been taken care of and maintained properly will bring more money.
From what little I can see of the interior, the scratches look on par with comparable 996s.
So assuming that the engine noise is something simple and/or the seller takes care of that prior to sale, it looks like a decent car for a tippy stripper. I still say go for 16 and feel like you did OK between 17 and 18.
This Sunday morning at 10am I listed my wife's 190k mile 2002 Highlander Limited (leather, towing, AWD) for $5500. I had my full asking price in hand by 11:30 am.
Quickest sale EVER!
Couldn't believe it....
I seem to sell my cars on craigslist usually within 24 hours. In the past I can remember:
01 Audi S8: Sold in 24 hours on an audi forum
06 ML 350: Sold is 72 hours via an ebay listing
02 Audi A4: Sold in 24 hours via craigslist
95 VW Jetta: Sold in 18 hours via craigslist
00 Forester: Sold in 12 hours via craiglist
93 968: Sold in 48 hours via reenlist posting to a local guy
I price my stuff to sell. And sell it does. Easier that way IMO.
Someone just posted a nice 2002 Lapis C2 in Illinios on planet 9. This one has some perforated seats. Did these come with seat coolers?
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-illinois.html
No they did not. That is what the non-relaxed/natural/loose/whatever-other-names-they-used leather option looked like. The faux-leather also looks like that, but I *think* that was no longer the standard seating surface for the MkIIs.
2002 C4S Seal Gray on black with
33k miles for $27k asking
, unmolested, seems like a steal to me:
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...4777/overview/
2003 C4S guards red on tan 68k miles asking $26k, sweet deal for a red car if you can handle the interior:
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...7431/overview/
2004 Lapis on Gray C4S:
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...3011/overview/
AUTOMATIC white on natural brown WOW these look great in white!
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...1533/overview/
That top car though
God I wish my car didn't have the "natural" leather in it, it looks so bad compared to the rest of the car, and the color is a lot more faded. WOuld love to trader for the tight real perforated leather ones
What color do you have? Our 01 has a black interior, has spent it's life outside with no shade or protection and other than a spot where a wet dive regulator 1st stage left an imprint after I left it in the car on a 100+ day, it looks great. We've barely done anything to take care of it too.
Conversely my experience is that the standard leather doesn't wear as well. It seems to dry out and crack more if not taken care of.
I missed checking that box on my Cayenne until after the order locked and I'm still irritated about it. The crap that gets stuck in those holes drives me nuts, especially since it is the dog/kid hauler... If we could figure out how to make Cayenne seats fit in a 996 and 996 seats work in a 958, I'd happily trade you
My interior is black. I don't have a picture of it right now. I absolutely hate the way the leather looks saggy and unkempt, but yes, I have heard the natural leather is more comfortable and does not crack as easily.
My front and rear seats look ever so slightly chalky and a touch lighter in shade than the rest of the black interior. I have not yet had a chance to clean them, but maybe with some good cleaner and conditioner they will improve.
Not a bad 2000 C2 with decent options list and lower mileage. Thoughts on over/under priced? Also, I've heard Rayco Eurospec has a bad rap, anyone have background?
http://clients.automanager.com/01227...50fd3408fba5d/
Seems a bit overpriced, maybe dealer's room for negotiation.
Threads about this outfit:
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...nsylvania.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/boxster-...motorcars.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/924-931-...ars-in-pa.html
Nice black '99 C2 with full aerokit and LSD. Price a little high for the mileage ($17,999 for 127k miles), but otherwise appears to be a nice car (hate the damn headlight covers though). Apparently it's located about a mile from me if anyone wants a Rennfax.
https://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/6081404506.html
2002 Porsche Carrera - $11500. grey/grey, tiptronic, some type of rear spoiler. The ad doesn't say very much, but it sure is a low asking price.
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/6079143180.html
Any visible issues with this one? Seal gray over gray, not too high miles. One family owner, so they say:
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...ngId=403191266
Been on the market for a long time. It looks good though and is one of my saved cars on the list. A phone call and some probing questions would be a good start...
Yeah, noticed that weirdness. The milage in the picture of the odometer matches the ad. If this was a 928, I'd say the odometer was broken for a while. Not sure what's happening here.
Now this one is interesting. Owner has receipts showing LN Engineering/RMS/clutch done in 2015. Relatively low miles, interesting color. I am asking for more pics of the interior, but I believe that's leather. Receipts also for the suspension and exhaust upgrades.
https://slo.craigslist.org/cto/6068825779.html
Then we can deduce from the autocheck mileage history the car has been for sale since about June 2015...yes a long time. Seller must not be very motivated, or potential buyers have seen something that turns them away.
Looks like it might be 'supple' leather on the seats, but the dash and doors are not leather. A leather dash has stitching on the edge of the instrument binnacle.
Yeah, receipts show a ton of money spent on it then he throws it on craigslist with four pics. He says multiple back surgeries are causing the sale.
Does anyone know of a good PPI place in San Luis Obispo? The only place coming up is SGS Independent Porsche, and a search on them brings up this kinda hilarious story:
https://calcoastnews.com/2016/05/slo...harges-client/
. Not sure I can trust them.
It also says there is a lien on the car. WARNING WARNING! I wouldn't buy it unless the title was in hand. The man uses all caps in his limited description. Lazy or shouting? Never know.
Also, he says "clean carfax" but doesn't list the VIN to check. Lazy again? I don't know. Too many red flags for me!
Don't pay in cash on this one!
oh, good call man. I didn't notice that. I will qualify the state of the title before I move forward. He has not answered my email asking him if an independent inspection would be ok, either.
i am lookkng for an early car, in black or blue, non-cab manual with decent mileage at a decent price preferably far away. Lol, that sounds like a lot! Since I am looking for an early car I'd prefer to have the IMS left alone, so I can decide what to do with it. But, it's just a preference.
I don't think I'm being too picky but I am not in any hurry and reading this forum has helped me be discriminating. I was making plans to fly out and buy a car in Arizona, until the PPI came back with metal in the oil filter and a pending 1351 (I believe) code.
The blue one above sounds good, and I have asked for clarification on the lien. Please let me know if I'm being unrealistic.
Good point, but different states handle title documents differently. It's been a long time since I lived in CA, but I seem to recall that the bank holds title on a vehicle that has a loan. Here in NY, the vehicle owner holds the title document and the title lists the lienholder. It's always necessary to know who owns the car, who gets paid, etc.
And for that matter, what type of lien -- I'd assume it's a bank loan, but you never know. Could be that stack of receipts includes an unpaid bill or two ;-)
Also a good point about the VIN; there are plenty of questions to be answered about this car. In fairness, I think a lot of people don't put much detail into Craigslist ads because they assume that all buyers are local and will just come to look at the car.
i asked him about the lien and he sent me a message that just said "I will pay it off". I think what that means is that I pay him, he pays the bank, I get the title? Ugh, buying a car cross country with a clear title is hard enough
2000 C4 cab, 54k miles, decent options and some work done, $21,900:
https://worcester.craigslist.org/cto/6073959973.html
(Not so sure about that red interior, but then again I'm the guy with the beige car ;-)
Hello all! I've been following Rennlist for all sorts of information on 996's. I've been looking seriously for about 6 months and actively driving some 996's over the past 2 months. Prefer 2002-2004 years, either a C2 with PSM, or a C4. Coupe or Cab. Hardtop would be nice. Power seats, heated (would also be nice but not necessary). Prefer Bose upgrade. Been using Vindecoderz site for option lists. Shying away from Black interior due to summer heat. Prefer 100k or less, $20k or less. Understand I'm paying $3.5k for an IMS/RMS/Clutch on most....will do immediately as PM insurance. Water pump and A/O Separator likely too will be done. Figuring $5K right off the bat. So, trying to stay below $25K all in. Saw this one, but does the accident scare anyone?
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...3011/overview/
I'm tending to shy away from cars with accidents. Looked at a few of the 1999's and 2000's posted. I'm about half way between Philadelphia and Baltimore, but I'm looking at Texas, Mississippi River and East, Florida to Boston, but will go farther West and drive or ship. There is one at Euro2motors in TX I called about, nice C4 CAB, he wasn't thrilled with complete PPI and barely negotiable on price. Anyone familiar with Euro2Motors? Honest or not? ..Anyway, obviously a newbie, but did the MG thing years ago and have had 4, 5 and 6 spds since 1977...I'm 58, so time for the car of my dreams.....Thanks, Rob
Clarify....not "picky" on C2 (but needs PSM) or C4 Coupe or Cab. Love the lines of the Coupe, wife likes the Convertible (but would buy a HT for winter for "her")......But, best advice I got was find the best car you can for the money and "get it"....so that's why I'm staying flexible. Cheers!
https://baltimore.craigslist.org/cto/6072541837.html
This one is real close and looks nice.....might go see it!
No VIN, any info? Price is good. PSM?
https://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/6045159446.html
Father in law lives in Kalamazoo. Michigan car looks nice, but price?
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...ngId=437047667
Other than the change from 3.4L to 3.6L, front headlights, steering wheel....what are the real differences between 1999-2001 and 2002-2004's that matter in the groups opinion? Anything that is really improved in the interior design?
ok sorry, last post...letting you guys advise me. The question I have on the car at Euro2Motors in Houston area is that I read on this forum that "Houston cars" should be avoided at all costs" Seems to be alot of "reasonable cost" cars in TX, and the one I saw seemed to have a decent pedigree....problem I have is buying something sight unseen....but, I will have a PPI, period. Have walked away from a few that weren't receptive to PPI....Thanks. I'm sitting back and looking for friendly advice.
A few of these, if not all, have been posted here recently so you might want to check back a few posts. That 2000 Arena Red/grey interior in Baltimore looks awesome and is a rarely seen combo. I'm learning to appreciate the more rare colors since purchasing a "boring" arctic silver three years back. It appears well taken care of. Only question I would have is when the IMS and clutch were replaced. Otherwise, I'd zero in on this one with confidence. With it priced at $21,000, there is probably a bit there to negotiate. If all checks out, I'd offer $20K and feel good about it.
and my only friendly advice is MikeinBloomfield is on a similar hunt so he may be able to throw some good leads your way. He may have some info on that one in Michigan.
Thanks A.J. My Ram is Burgundy/Gray and I like the combo. The Arena Red looks burgundy. Is it? I steer away from "Arrest Me Red" when possible!!! Guess I just have to see it in person. Anyone know why it looks so good, and seems to have a nice pedigree on parts, but is still around
This one also seems nice, but not sure if I can get past the way red all over interior!!!
https://worcester.craigslist.org/cto/6073959973.html
The one in TX is Silver/Blue Int. It is a nice combo....I like the blue vs the black for some extra pop!
@ MikeinBloomfield.....Thoughts???
BTW. I like Targas, always have since 1973 falling in love with one...I read alot about folks saying avoid them because of the roofs, heat/sun...? Also, seems like very few with PSM. What about the 996 Targas???
Thanks. The Raby engine is a "Performer" build and has optional first stage balance and billet con rods. With GT3 brakes and suspension it is pretty uniquely equipped and with few options and no PSM, but with the extra power and the aerokit, it is light and fast......much like a MK1 GT3. BTW the 340 HP is my estimated crankshaft HP based on the dyno sheet which peaked at 272 RWHP. A standard 3.4L makes about 236 RWHP and 300 at the crank so based on the same ratio and transmission loss, mine would make 340 HP at the crank.
Cheers
Welcome to the hunt!
I would encourage you to go see the Arena Red one if its near you. The owner is a corporate attorney who has the means to maintain it, and it looks like he did so. The only issue is that LN Engineering says their bearing is good for 6 yrs / 75K miles and the bearing on this car was changed 5 years ago. So it will need to be done soon, but you've budgeted for that. I suppose you could use it for negotiating. Not entirely sure why I haven't pursued it further. I am looking to do a little road trip and this car is only 3 hours away.
I spoke to the sales manager about the blue one in Michigan. He says it's sold to a guy in Norway and they were just waiting on financing. It still shows up in search results, so maybe the sale is still pending or they just haven't taken it down. Might be worth an email to check in on it.
If you are open to cabs, you'll have a ton more options at good prices, from what I'm seeing. Like this one with a hard top:
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/6084111935.html
A bit far, but like I said I am looking to do a little road trip. I don't think I'd use a convertible enough to make it worth it, but I am thinking about reaching out to this guy anyway.
This thread has been invaluable to me in my search. Lots of really good info on the cars I post. Keep us up to date!
No C4 coupe in the MkII line (C4 cab and C4S coupe (plus a few 05 cabs)) and conversely no C4S in the MkI line. The Targa is also MkII only.
I believe leather became standard for the MkII, but that is just seating surface and a few other bits. There are still upgraded leather options.
All MkIIs have a cup holder.
MkIIs have a glovebox.
Non-C4 99s had a cable throttle rather than eGas as with all other 996 years.
All MkIIs had the small single row IMSB from the factory. Jake did actually find a 03 with a dual row, but that's the only reported exception to the rule that I'm aware of.
The Aerokits are different between the two. It seems like I see many more factory MkI Aero cars than MkIIs.
Probably not strictly relevant, but the MkII GT3 is street legal in the US while the MkI is not. Also the 01 Turbo was the start of the MkII line.
Robocooper:
I am looking at that cab tomorrow actually. Seems like a great combo. 2 owners and a lot of work done in 2015. Last year he said some water got in and they had to replace the alarm ECU. Has anyone had experience with a car post that?
I have had my 2003 Targa for 10 years now. I sold my Targa in 1973 and finally was able to get another in 2007. Less than 3% of 996 cars are Targa so it is fun to go to events and be the only one there. They were a $7500 premium over the coupe and the used prices are about equal so why not.
John
Greeley, CO
2003 Targa
that black with red leather interior is one cool combo accentuated by those sport design rims. Is it just me or does it looked like the car was repainted or wrapped in a matte black finish? Maybe it's just the lighting.
As long as the ECU was replaced and everything was reprogrammed and functions (remote lock/unlock, alarm, etc), I don't think I'd hesitate to look at it. Just check all the key/remote/alarm functionality.
The black/red one looks great, but photos are odd....the paint looks matte in some shots and reflective in others...highly photoshopped or a black I've never seen???
Thanks and great idea. Looking at it tomorrow. Its actually a grey. Hes getting me the paint color option today. Clutch, water pump, IMS DOF all done in 2015.
Looks nearly identical to my 99 I bought a few weeks ago off Craigslist in Greenville SC. Mine was also a "box of chocolates". It has turned out to be a great car. Love it. Eric
He had the IMS done and spent $2,700. I talked with the place that did the work and the owner did not replace the RMS or do any clutch work when he did the IMS. The $3,000 estimate came after the IMS.
Here's high mileage one near me at a rock bottom price. Looks to have been maintained, if the description is accurate.
https://asheville.craigslist.org/ctd/6076768899.html
Make sure they send a pic of the climate control display working (no screen bloom). Nice looking car...price is not too bad...mebbe $22.5. Plan for some updates even if you don't do the IMS....AOS, water pump would be my proactive things...assume you need rubber (it's probably ancient).
Any feedback on the one at euro2motors in Houston or Lazslow, the guy who runs it...Integrity check. I see alot if 1999's noted here, not alot of the 02-04s. Are the 02-04s not as desirable or much more $???? I thought alot of folks disliked the headlights on the Mk-1s and that were less"desirable"???
Didn't see this anywhere, but maybe I missed it ...
Cheap ($13k ask), high mileage (126k) '99 coupe:
https://boston.craigslist.org/sob/ctd/6087385301.html
Low optioned, but it looks like it might have LSD (there's a traction control button). More pictures at the dealer's site:
http://11975.autowebshowcase.com/l/2.../2/19177389/31
There's weird blue crap in the engine pic (is that overspray from a careless repaint?). Overall the interior actually doesn't look bad. The wheels are fugly and gotta go. I'm no fan of the red painted calipers -- usually these are only seen on the super-rare '99 C2S ;-) The dealer has it advertised as a 5-speed, maybe because the pattern looks to be worn off the shift ****. Other than the wheels and brakes it looks bone stock.
I have an appointment to get this car PPI'ed this Wednesday. The owner originally had it on craigslist, but consigned it to this place. I am hoping it makes it through the weekend without getting sold, and then the PPI works out. Wish me luck!
Well, I am buying it off the owner, he just consigned it there. I am getting it inspected and I am going to do everything I can to keep myself protected.
Guy sent me a stack of receipts from the previous owner, including the IMS/RMS/Clutch done in 2015. So I know that part is taken care of. We'll see about the rest.
Level 5 Racing 1050 hp SCCA 996 up for no reserve auction.
http://auctionsamerica.com/events/fe...=AS17&ID=r0174
Other vehicles, all no reserve - EDIT, all kinds of stuff on there (wheels, tires, tools, tool cases, work tables, massage tables...)
http://auctionsamerica.com/events/al...orts&category=
backstory
http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/level-...ion-1794329480
Apparently was a no sale at 16,800 (with the ~20% fee). There was a long hesitation at the end of the bidding, so they were probably trying to talk the consigner into letting it go. I think he should have at that price, especially with no maintenance history.
Yeah we discussed this one a while back on this thread and I believe a member went to go look at it. If I recall, it was waiting on installation of new dash gauges and had some other issues as well. Pretty good deal if they sort it out, the dealership is right across the street from Concours Porsche.
New gauge cluster is a quick job for a fat-fingered amateur like me ... probably 10 - 15 minutes for a professional. Maybe they pulled it and sent it out for repair.
Anybody notice how many of these Craigslist cars have the gray interior? I would've thought the black was more common. Small sample size, I know, but I'm still surprised.
Anyone know of this car. Don't see link to a Carfax or Autocheck, but I'm using mobile. Looks nice...Anyone???
http://m.ebay.com/itm/2005-Porsche-9...517?nav=SEARCH
http://m.ebay.com/itm/2005-Porsche-9...517?nav=SEARCH
Add me to the list hunting for a 996!
Options so far:
1) 1999 base, 90k, black, no service history, no option tag, at dealer $15.5k
http://www.houstonchryslerdodgejeepr...241b564bff.htm
2) 2004 with some options (18s), 90k, IMS + clutch replaced at 80k, some service history, with option tag, at private, $21k
https://austin.craigslist.org/cto/6075787126.html
3) 1999, 90k, aero kit and lsd and M030, red, service history since new, IMS
NOT
replaced, $21k.
https://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/cto/6074849035.html
I only test drove #1 and fell in love with it. Reminds me of the S2000 in nimbleness, feels tight. Didn't test #2 and #3.
Going to check out the #2 this weekend for MotoGP weekend.
Lol let me know ! That's the one I'd like to check out this weekend
Let me know if you like it and if you also understand why I haven't driven 2hrs this past weekend to go see it...
I've contacted the dealer about #1 but didn't drive to H town to see it. I hadn't seen #2 until now but it looks pretty solid. I was very interested in #3, and the owner is a stand up guy from what I can tell via contact with him.
However I think I found what I am looking for. On the PCA website I found a '99 030 996 with 83k with the IMS,RMS and clutch replaced at 73k. I have negotiated a price and am planning to fly to Denver to pick it up at the end of the month. If all works out, I will post some photos of my fortunate find and experience on the drive back to Dallas. At 83K with the 030 option and the maintenance concerns addressed, I think this is the car for me. The wife is on board too.
LOL good luck! It's always better to have some metal around your body but I will never sell my Ducati 916
Let me know how the trip goes!
I like the PCA classified but I am too cheap to splurge on a membership.
I am very picky on my future 996 (beside clean title etc):
- Preferably Yellow or a silly color.
- Absolutely no red (otherwise I would have already bought #2!) nor silver
- Black interior, then gray, then pink, then tan.
- If not a 1999, I'd want IMS / RMS taken care of or factored in price.
- If low mileage IMS/RMS done regardless of the year.
- Option tag present.
I really like the fact that the 996 is among the lightest 911 since the 993.
I really liked the one at the dealer. Maybe I will let it simmer a few more days ....
I heard the #3 guy is a real train wreck!
hahahha!
Glad you found your 'the one'. Denver is nice this time of year, was just up there doing some spring skiing. Hope it works out well! Make sure you have the docs for the IMS work. Keep us posted with a new thread.
BAN!!! Ban him!
No wrapping - evar.
Sorry I couldn't make it work, but seriously - get what makes you happy when it comes to your 996. It'll always be your joy. Good luck.
Hard to tell from the pics, but it looks like it has the button for "TC Off" (top left button on the center stack). In which case it has traction control and a LSD. However, it is definitely not yellow or any other interesting color...
This one (X51, no sunroof, etc)
posted in the RL classifieds looks pretty cool. IMHO, it's still too much money for something that's not a Turbo or GT3...
This is a *very* nicely optioned '99 with an early build date. If it's still available and you're considering a Mk 1, I'd recommend a long look at this car. Even though it's red :-)
Anyone know anything about this one? Thanks.
http://m.ebay.com/itm/2005-Porsche-9...044?nav=SEARCH
Does the accident description cause any concerns I should be aware of, or make it one not to consider?
I vote for #2, the 2004 996.2 in Austin. Although the 996.1 and .2 differences don't get as much air-play as the 997s, the mechanical and cosmetic upgrades for 2002 are valuable and worth consideration. I owned a 2002 996.2 and appreciated the, IMHO, better looking headlights,
more horsepower and torque
by way of the revamped 3.6L engine with updated Varioram Plus, and the new exhaust system that produces a throatier sound than the .1 cars. The owner has already upgraded the stereo and hopefully the NAV, put in clear side markers, done the IMS and clutch, and it sounds like he has service records. This owner is proud of his car; it sure sounds like a guy who took good care of the car. If I were looking for a black coupe, I would be in Austin as soon as possible with a wad of cash.
Do some research on the upgraded features for 2002 and look at whatever else changed in '03 and '04. Of course, review the records on this car, spend some time with the owner, and get a PPI. If this black 2004 996.2 is as nice as it sounds according to the owner, it's worth a fistful of extra dollars more than a pre-2002 996.
Good luck; let us know how this all works out! It sounds like a great Porsche
i ran the vin with Porsche since the option tag is missing and they said it does not have the 220 code.
i guess that it's not true that if it has traction control it also has LSD. I can confirm that is a traction control button.
oddly enough, they will confirm/deny if an option is present but they will not give you the list of options.
Bah Darkhorse I am not sure.
i prefer the 996.1 for the following reasons:
-lighter than the 996.2
-I like the front lights better, especially the very first ones with the orange turning signals
-at high revs the lower torque relevance is not Relevant.
- shorter stroke of the 3.4 means happier to rev high
Nope, they don't actually work together. The TC will cut engine power to limit slip, and the stability control will apply brake individually to control wheel torque. LSD is a stand-alone option although they are commonly put together in the handling package(220, 222, 224). In this case it appears it has 220, and 224 but not 220 LSD. What about 014 and 030? Those are the gold standard for sport pgk.
It's my understanding that you get TC, LSD, and ABD together, or you don't get any of them. I don't believe it was possible to mix 'n match. And that combo was only available on the '99 C2. Not that it really matters, because at this point the LSD is probably worn out anyway.
It's what I've usually seen, all together but the LSD is purely mech, where the TC and ABD are electronic and work with the throttle/FI and/or the ABS to apply individual brake. I think one could get 222 and 224 and leave off the clutches in the diff.
BTW, I jacked the rear of my car, and held one side with chocks, and spooled up the other wheel and I had plenty of resistance left, but of course, it was just using my hands to drag it - seemed like it was plenty tight still at 86k miles.
Shameless plug alert:
For anyone of the searchers that would be interested in a relatively low mileage, mechanically sorted early production (1998 build year) 996.1 coupe. Only stipulation is that the buyer has to agree to give me first right of refusal if and when they sell it. Between the cab and the M5, I'm officially at too many cars.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/6059012035.html
None, it would be my first one - why?
I don't think that if you have TC you also have LSD. Did anyone verify this or is it just assumed? If the 220 code is not present then it does not have LSD, even if it has the TC button.
And I add that his CL ad should be taken as a model. I am sure his car is also great - just not my color.
Thanks VitaminC, that was one of the first posts I visited! I just replied
Why are all the 996 that I live at least 1,500 miles away!?
(not linking this one, it's too good! (Yellow!))
I presume you looked all the way through that thread, or at least post 22, and 27, where it is proven that 222 and 224 do NOT require 220 (LSD) to be present. Which is what I said a few posts back. But - WTF do I know.
My first color choice would be Cassisrot from the 87 928. After that, any of the metallic reds, then guards red, then cobalt blue, speed yellow and the array of darker blues down the scale. Speed yellow over tan on the C2 cars with aero are likely the most striking car with red calipers and color wheel crests. Do want.
If docs car had the factory aero package I'd be hell bent on bringing him every penny. It has all the options I'd want, but the interior color is not ideal for guards red to me. The car I am likely getting has black all leather with guards red and the 030 suspension.
Paying fir hollowspokes is cool but I'm a custom wheel guy. And if I got docs car I'd have to keep the hollowspokes too since they are original.
Imagine a GR same options with black interior and factory aero pkg.... that'd be my dream 996 but I can't hold my breath for it.
If it was factory aero, I'd be asking more. Also, the factory aero is heavier. I have another non-factory engine hatch/wing. It's a big wide wing deal in red. It looks better with the taco.
My advice as always, get what you really want. It's gotta make you happy.
Seller doesn't have it listed as such, but Millennium Edition #408 appears to have a tiptronic tranny and is for sale! Located about an hour south of me...
https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/6082448315.html
2000, black, looks pretty, in AR
https://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/6064485588.html
2000, aero, 22k miles, in TN (I know the dealer, great guys, bough an S2000 from them)
https://memphis.craigslist.org/ctd/6075693917.html
I almost had this car inspected. Owner is out of town until the 20th, otherwise I would have moved forward. Nice looking car, at the top range of the miles that I wanted.
Not sure at the asking price it really qualifies as a CL "find", but it's all relative.
Also, seriously doubt anyone would poach a car from you on here. I can't vouch for everyone personally, but it's a pretty fair bunch of folk. I posted my 'find' up the day after I spotted it, and it took me 3 weeks to get it corralled. No one tried to undercut me, but hey - could happen I guess.
I've always wanted a week long getaway with a blonde, brunette and redhead trio of models..... can you arrange that? I'm not sure I'd get my wife's okay on that one though.
Its also a supply and demand issue. Demand for high priced used luxury items is quite low. Common cars from the same era are 10% as much and are in much higher demand. There are lots of 996s being chased by very few buyers at any given moment.
Wow... salvage, "break lights," "rims," and 68k invested without doing any meaningful maintenance. My spidey senses say stay away and the price.... and he called it an "investment."
This ad is a classic ...
"Long story short, I have almost $68,000 into the vehicle."
It's one thing to see a butt-ugly "custom" 996. Quite another to see someone spend stupid money to do it.
That said, the only way there's 68 G's in this thing is if there's about 40 stacks in the frunk.
The orange E-bay car has been posted a few times now. The guy is disillusion.
It is a salvaged 99 carrera 4; in his mind it is 4s from 1999. This is the case of beauty being in the eye of the beholder.
I think people do that to make it more attractive to the buyer. For a long time the "internet" said that is the thing to do. Isn't it only recently that the forums like this one have changed their thinking to keeping it original?
Just curious, with only 31K miles what would be the potential concerns?
I think that if you want to sell a 996 you need to have had the IMSB replaced.
It's just how it is.
Or factor it in the price.
From what I have read, the
lower
the mileage the
higher
the concerns over the IMSB failure.
I view people who fix the IMS prior to sale as it being a proactive condition to closing a sale. Everyone knows the IMS is an issue - and those that are not fixed price lower and/or might not sell because of perceived fear. If you spend the $2.5k to fix the IMS, you might gain more upside on overall total value of the car when sold to gain a few $$$ in profit.....
And yes, low mileage cars are more prone to failure (i think rationale is because the bearing is not as lubricated)
As the computer said in War Games; 'the only winning move, is to not play the game'. I supposedly made the right call by not replacing my IMSB. Now, when trying to sell the car, most people are concerned about replacing the IMSB. And if I DID replace the IMSB and try to sell it, people would be saying 'hey - why did you replace the IMSB and then try to sell the car?'.
I could run a live feed from one of the social media sites about removing and replacing the IMSB showing a perfect bearing coming out, and a new bearing going in, and someone would surely come along and say 'that video is FAKED. It was a different car, it was a planted good IMSB, then removed, etc.'
You can't ever win.
I believe this 1999 C4 with the unique interior color combo has been discussed on this forum prior
http://www.grautogallery.com/vehicle...-911-carrera-4
I've spoken to the sales manager and the prior offer from Norway fell through (who knows why). That said, the $19,900 price is pretty firm. Apparently, the car is on consignment and the seller won't budge, so price is fixed at this low.
I just had a local 2001 C2 fall through myself so now I'm back looking at this. Anyone feel as though the $19.9k price is justified? Any causes for concerns from pics or video? I'm remote (Boston) so I can't see it myself...a big leap of faith so opinions are appreciated... want to finalize a 996 shortly (moved and need a car for the commute)
I'd rather know that the IMSB is original and shows no signs...Priced lower and let me decide what to do with it. Was it pre-qualified before change and by who, with what?
That's just me...after hours, weeks and months of research...
Really needs rear motor mounts, which means it needs the front trans mount too. Clear evidence of road salt debris in several of the underside pics. Good detail job, but here's the list of what I would do from the purchase:
R&R oil filter with LN full flow
R&R clean rads and condensers
R&R water pump, add 160F T-stat
R&R rear MM, get bushing for front MM
R&R belt with WP job
Flush and fill brake fluid
EDITED to add: Acid wash the underside of car, then flush with clear water.
Good side is it has a very nice detail job done. Paint, wheels and int look very nice. Plan on about $900 in materials to set up right, and maybe another $1200 for labor if you don't DIY. Your smile price would be $22k plus tax. Or, you could buy mine for less with all that done already.
20k for a 4s with only 47k miles?
https://santafe.craigslist.org/cto/6074519060.html
Can we do this game that if you buy a car posted on here you have to offer a 6 pack of your favorite local beer to whomever posted the link?
Just an idea
I like beer
I need to say something about IMS and RMS. These problems occur in a minority, small minority, of Porsches. The IMSB fails in less than 5%. That's 95% of cars from the period that won't have a problem.
In the 1980's everybody shunned the 1975 - 1977 911S cars because of "weak engines" and unspecified "engine problems" Now, they are priced like unobtainium.
I had a 97 Boxster, arguably the most likely to experience both problems. I drove it like I stole it; seriously seven or eight track days per year where the car was consistently taken to it's limits. I just kept pushing until the car, more likely the tires, couldn't handle it anymore. Never had a problem to 45K.
I then bought a 2002 Carrera and drove it a little softer to 60K, no problems.
I now drive a 2009 997.2 C4S and the worry du jour has not crept up yet.
In my mind, were I to buy another pre-09 Porsche susceptible to IMS and and / or RMS, based on my experience, and the actual experiences of others, I don't know that I would rush to implement a fix.
I did notice my concern level rising the more I read blogs where people fixated on the IMS. But, what's most interesting to me is that many people on the blogs who are so fixated, have never owned one of the "afflicted" Porsches, or even a Porsche at all.
Its is important to note that the Porsche IMSB failure rate is less than 5%. There are a whole lot of Porsches out there that have never experienced a failure.
I agree. I like the '02 911s. I think at $20,000 asking, this is a bargain if it checks out. Two years ago it would have sold for $28,000 easy. It seems that since 991s began to pop up on the used market, and nice, low-mile 997s went under $50,000, 996 prices fell off a cliff.
Grab a bargain; if you are going to buy a 996, several great cars have been posted here lately.
I've just learned from a used Porsche dealer that there is now an aftermarket warranty company that will take a 996 with over 150k miles and insure it up to 250k miles. I'll get the name and post it in the next 24 hours.
A VIN so I can check if it had an accident of any concern. Usually just light bumper accidents which wouldn't both me, until I went to sell it. I have a Boxster that go bumped, got a whole new oem bumper out of the deal...to me it was great...now not so sure since no one will buy it.
This is the problem with insurance companies and carfax. Expensive cars often get totaled for minor damage because the repair cost is too high and you have the car mostly paid off. Then the title gets flagged as salvage or carfax notes the wreck repair and now no one wants the car. I am in this very dilemma with a 944 turbo. The car runs and drives well. It has very minor front end damage. It did get a new hood and the front bumper was pushed down and rear slightly. The original wreck damage can be seen on the front fenders (not replaced) and it is super minor. Car got flagged with a salvage title then "rebuilt" and sent to Michigan. I bought it in TN with a "clean" title. I'm not sure what TX is going to do when I try and reregister it. I'm tempted to sell it at a loss because restoring a "salvage" title car would be a bad investment even though it's overall a really good candidate to restore.
This 5% number is similar to what my local dealership reported based on their experience. I think if this was pre-internet days the IMS issue wouldn't have seemed so huge.
Ours is 2002 C4 Tip, we're 3rd owner and up to about 88k miles now without issue.
They (dealer) also mentioned that of all the cars they have ever serviced none of them were a Tip so we may have that going for us in the long haul. I was initially worried about it when we got the car in 08 (with 30k on it), but after 9 years and learning more I don't think we'll ever have an issue.
Anyone in New Mexico to see if it all checks out? The low price leads me to think something is wrong (most 911 owners are smart enough to price at market)
Sir, no disrespect intended, and I don't want to derail the thread with IMSB statements, but you are way, way, way wrong on your idea that this is a 'small minority' type of problem. Edward Deming, and following that, Bill Smith developed and created a quality strategy to improve various mechanisms, and methods for achieving extremely low failure rates. "Six sigma" is a trademarked philosophy, and Deming worked toward a 'zero defect' methodology for the Japanese back when they had a very bad rep for quality products. In short - it works. Porsche, strangely enough tossed out much of their quality goals when they were struggling financially at the inception of the Boxster(and later 996).
A 5% failure rate, is just over the 3rd sigma(area under the normal dist curve) and in modern production environment would be considered a disaster. It would, and should have been a recall event, with Porsche removing every engine from production and putting a halt to deliveries until the problem was understood, quantified, engineered, tested, re-quantified and then released to the gen public. This could(and should) have been done in later 99 or mid-2000 when the number of failures in Boxsters began to be noticeable.
The solutions we have today could have been implemented, and a solution developed fairly early in the production cycle. That was the right thing to do, and Porsche failed miserably, resulting in the issues we are now living with some 20 years later(in terms of the M96 engine in total). It's a huuuuuuuge black eye for a statistical analyst at Porsche, who knew but was likely overruled by a 'crat with a econ degree.
Finally(I hope), there is NO engineering, or econ excuse for a 5% or even a 1% failure rate in any modern engine component. If that happened to Toyota or Mitzu, whomever was responsible would be run out of town on a rail, and fishing in the sea of Japan for squid for the rest - of - his - life.
/rant
Yes according to the work of Deming and Shewart the acceptable failure rate for manufacturing should be on the order of 1 in a million. That's actually a design criteria now for many companies. It's what made Honda and Toyota so successful and durable. It seems like Porsche had a pretty reasonable solution originally (double row bearing) but changed it due to supply issues which led to a fiasco. Having a part fail can sometimes be okay (i.e. if it is a designed wear items like a brake pad, clutch disc, or tire), but having a part that will fail and then destroy your entire engine is definitely not good for business or the customer.
Knowing the risk, I'm about to buy a 996 myself. It's already had some IMS bearing and RMS work performed. How long will that hold up? I'm gambling that it will last a really long time.
'99 roller sold for $8,200 on eBay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-Porsche...-/182537110683
Seems high to me, but -- as Mrs. KoB regularly observes -- I've been wrong before.
LN engineering dual row into a '00 at 73k miles done by Hindson in KC. I guess they didn't test drive this car much..... since it's just a plain '00 Carrera.
I went to your website and found it interesting that you don't do turbo builds due to compression issues, etc. How do you feel about the OEM turbo flat sixes? This might go in a different topic...
Something is off about this one. Looks posted in a hurry with minimal details. Interior picture is with car not running as well.
PLEASE CALL FOR DETAILS- is usually a red flag for me (100% proven by experience). Details will include..."A/C needs recharge", "runs great, but slightly overheats", "run perfect, but...reverse doesn't work", "runs strong, just has slight knock. Could be minor, but have no time to find out", "This is my brother's car, and he has a title. I will write you a bill of sale though", "CEL is on, but not sure why. Can't pass emissions. So I decided to sell".
NEW IMS BEARING- as key details is not reassuring either. Bearing was failing and got replaced? Why make the note of that one mechanical part?
A friend of mine ran the Carfax on it and mentioned that it had an accident history. There's no way a clean 47kmi C4S is $20k, it's hard to find 47kmi 996.1s for that price.
OK, yes, from a corporate perspective, Porsche did a poor job of managing the RMS and IMS problems; they were a PR nightmare right when Porsche could not afford a nightmare. Near perfection in this case is impossible, and should not be expected, Porsche did not know of the issues for a while before they failed to properly address them.
I owned two of the Porsches with potential problems, a '97 986 and an '02 996.
But, that said, I was not posting about the company's response to the issues, but rather to the buyers' responses. Prospective buyers have 95% odds in their favor of not having a problem. And, if the buyer wants insurance, the fixes can be applied proactively. All-in-all, 996s and early 997s are priced low for what they offer.
But, I am a believer that you should buy the newest, nicest Porsche you can afford that meets your needs and desires; wait if you have to. Personally, for this latest Porsche, I wanted a 997.2 C4S. So, I waited and searched and looked and shopped and frequented message boards until I found one that met my current needs, desires, and budget.
Honestly 1 in 20 isn't great odds when failure can make you lose 50% of the value of the automobile or more. My Corvette ZR-1 has a much rarer engine harder to source parts for, older, etc (LT5). And it's significantly cheaper to build it up to 450+ hp level than it is to get an M96 rebuilt at all? That's seems a bit insane to me. I'm willing to swallow this bitter pill since for me this is another hobby car. People using them as DDs is baffling to me.
I'm flying to Denver today to most likely acquire my 996. It's from the PCA ad. I will post photos later. We should enjoy the drive back but the weather doesn't look all that fabulous for it.
996 acquired. No longer looking. Thanks for the links and tips. Happy hunting to others still looking. I have a distinct feeling docs car in ft. Worth is the next best remaining good deal or viv's. If I had a bit more of a budget I'd have maybe gone either way. But I need cash to fix up my 951.
Another more-or-less roller on eBay -- though the actual status of this car is unclear (at least to the seller and me ;-). $8k seems to be the going rate lately:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/112379365184
Not exactly a CL find, but notable nonetheless:
I was rummaging through AutoTrader looking for something else entirely, and ran across this 4 cylinder '03 GT3RS 4.0 Cabriolet:
http://atcm.co/S2PVDP/1AB0AD81
I had no idea how much one of these looks like a run of the mill 996 ... probably explains why I didn't know they existed.
Finally snagged a 911 after a pretty long search. Missing some options but love the color combo and low mileage (plus I can enjoy looking for and adding on those options, extras, etc. while driving it instead of just looking)...
Purchased private party off craigslist in Boston. Ask was 19.5k, paid 17k. Pick up Saturday.
I've seen a lot of eBay ads, but this one (for a 2000 C4 Cab) is special:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/322499225390
Is it possible to have a car professionally decontaminated? At this point, God only knows what sort of cooties are crawling around that thing.
Looks like it was hit pretty hard at some point in its past ... or actually, in its future -- it had 59,600 miles on the clock when it was hit, and 55k now:
http://www.2040-cars.com/porsche/911...riolet-450598/
But hey, a new IMS bearing will only set you back $125.
There's more, but I'd hate to give it all away. You really should read it for yourself.
Nice detail job on the C4S in Atlanta. Those wheels look like the aftermarket wheels someone pointed out recently on one of the threads. From Tire Rack, I think. It looks to me like the rear wheels are not wide enough for the wide body C4S, or it just may be the camera angle.
LOL Post of the year material right here!!!!
I love the part in the skanky-ho ebay add where the seller states he is old and can't use his hands anymore... So I'm guessing maybe he got his granddaughters to help model with his fixer-upper his car for him, eh? LOL!
For $125, I'm guessing the IMS Bearing came from a bicycle shop....
Same ads tactic than the "ferrari-boy" on ebay:
https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/6117604754.html
"Porsche 911 Cabriolet, low miles!"
Odometer: 93500 miles
Nice looking, well-optioned car. Definitely worth a look if you're in the market. Cars out of Miami usually have a bit of a bad rap due to the high number of "posers" that live in that area and have a bit of checkered maintenance history (putting it lightly).
This particular car seems to have receipts and one owner, so this stigma probably doesn't seem to apply to this car. Overall, it seems like a very fair price for a good looking car.
All advertised with the same poor Ukranian hooker whose passport is being held until she pays off the expense of shipping her over here. I never knew an ad with a scantily clad female could be so depressing.
No, IMHO it's *not* a smoking good deal. I looked into buying this car. Nice guy, but the car was left outside and unfortunately, the paint is seriously damaged with oxidation. Plus, the HID headlight enclosures are also sun damaged. The car will have to be repainted and the headlight enclosures professionalism repaired or replaced. Plus, the owner has not addressed IMS issues on the car which is a big red flag in my opinion.
From one of his part out ads;
Complete car for sale w/good title & VERY low. Miles! Had an OMS bearing failure at 54,000 miles so I parked it in the barn for the locals to crawl all over, lol.Engine is out ,apart & inspected w/no visible sign of much wear or damage EXCEPT to the IMS bearing itself! ( it's an easy fix), w/new ceramic bearing included!
Good to know it's an easy fix, and no visible sign of much wear.
Yea, those are the same pictures I first looked at first, but conveniently, he doesn't show the top of the roof where most of the oxidation is occurring or mention it. This guy seems nice, but he's covering up the problem by *not* disclosing it in the description. You can however, noticed the sun damage on the light enclosures. Not disclosing it clearly on eBay can get you in a butt-load of trouble.
Plus, and I mean a BIG plus... this car has been wrecked! Check the Carfax!!
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Anniversary edition, looks to be in very good condition, Huntington Beach CA, 93K miles, asking $25,900
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/6126654648.html
Starting to look at cars in the Minneapolis area. Here are two on CL that look interesting. I'm pretty new to this and curious what the forum thinks.
2002 porsche 911 carrera 2 - $21500
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/h...124695402.html
1999 Porsche 911 Carrera C2 - $18750
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/h...124685340.html
Depends in part on what you want ... I'm partial to the early cars, and at first glance that '99 looks legit. IMSB replacement on a '99 isn't necessarily a good thing, so you'll want to know when it was done and what kit was used.
The track history wouldn't scare me too much. These cars were meant to be driven, and an owner who readily discloses that the car was tracked is probably on the up and up. I'd be more concerned about the guy who takes out the roll bar and harness and tells you he only drove it to church on Sunday.
Other that that, it's all about the service history and how it was maintained. IMO, it's a fair price for a decently maintained car with fairly low miles.
Here's a $13k 1999 high miler near me with a clean title. I may do a drive-by tomorrow.
Only the brave need apply.
http://asheville.craigslist.org/ctd/6122474510.html
https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/30899704
Wow... a '99 w/aero kit, nice rims, nice paint and only 97k miles, FOR UNDER $14K! Oh' it's a tip! Assuming the engine runs and has not suffered failed IMSB, at this price it would be worth it to buy the car, keep all the upgraded parts, put it to bone stock, and then sell the car for $14k.
Free aero kit and rim upgrade. Jus' sayin'....
Personally, I am partial to the 2002. I used to own one; it was a fantastic car for me and still is for the new owner. I like the new, more powerful, engine in the 2002 996.2; I also like the new front end design without the "runny egg" headlamps.
Opinions vary... I actually like the wood bits in the interior... Nice car. Interesting color combo. Is it just me or does it look like someone put "savannah beige" door pocket and hand grip covers into a "natural brown" interior.
The graphics kill it for me...but I think the wood accents, conservatively used, look pretty good. Car looks like it is in excellent cosmetic shape. Not sure why someone buys an LN bearing and just holds onto it. I'da probably painted the screens over the radiator inlets black, myself.
I did look at it Sunday, but the dealership was closed so it was visual only, and I'm a total noob to these cars, so keep that in mind.
Car was outside so had a fine coating of pollen over it but overall Body/paint was better than I expected, seemed straight without major scratches/dents. Biggest flaw I could find was one of the ltttle roof rack doors wasn't flush. Tires were mismatched Michelin/kumhos, but didn't see any rash on the wheels.
Interior looked good with the typical patina fine cracks in the seats, but no rips or tears. The black and gray steering wheel is a curiosity, there's probably a story there that needs to be told.
Couldn't start or drive the car so a real evaluation wasn't possible, but didn't see any drips or puddles underneath.
That two tone steering wheel looks horrible!
Could the airbag have been deployed?
May have had some paint work done as the badges on the lid have been removed...
Considering the dash and the airbag are the same color, I'm guessing that the grey steering wheel that likely came with the car was swapped out due to discolored/torn leather... And the black wheel was probably the only or cheapest they could find locally.
Rear badge delete was a thing... I've seen many 996's without badging on the back lid.
Yah, I know he's desperate as he's moving out of state. Say's he's thinking of keeping (as of Tuesday) it now and shipping it with him...We'll see at the end of the month.
But for $10K all the after market goodies, being a two owner car has peaked my interest. And I actually like the gold w/blk wheels.
Me, I'd be a little leery of the fact that the only other thing in the frunk other than that "super nice" stereo are what appear to potentially be 2 quarts of Mobil 1 and some coolant. I mean, sure I have extra oil and coolant...but I don't put any in the car unless I'm going on a long trip....one longer than Kona to HIlo
I've decided to sell my 996. Can you guys critique my ad?
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/6131369496.html
My wife and I are expecting a 2nd kid, and that will leave me no real time to drive the P car, so I bought an F80 M3 as a replacement.
I like your ad, pictures and car!
I don't think the statement about having a double row IMSB should be there, I would just mention it hasn't been changed to date. That's my only comment. Great looking car! Good luck!
Good call. I was debating on that. It's usually the first question out of any potential buyers.
Funny thing; I was going to change out the IMS bearing a few months back -- thinking I would keep the car forever, and still debated on changing it prior to sale. But I read that a lot of folks would rather buy the car with stock IMS bearing rather than have the PO change it. The car runs really well.
Nice low mile and highly optioned example in a non-typical color. Price is a little strong, in my opinion, but there are not many white 996s out there so you might get something close to your ask. I agree with Paul on the IMSB statement. It could have either. It is interesting that it has a four spoke steering wheel. I though only the early 99s had the 993 style steering wheel. I learned something new.
The 3 spoke steering wheel is an option on the '01 car.
I had put up the car a few months back with less miles (58K) for more money, and I had 2 offers in my asking price. I got cold feet knowing I would never find another clean 996, and decided to keep it. I lowered the price to reflect the extra mileage I put on the car.
I have edited the ad to reflect that it has original IMS bearing.
The color is definitely a love it/hate it kind of thing. Not hard to figure out which camp I'm in (see my sig). I thought about black wheels on my car, but I decided against it ... maybe black centers/polished rims would look better.
I'd have to lose that fake gold carbon fiber stuff. There was a vendor a few years ago flogging interior parts - console, center stack surround, etc - painted in Mirage. IMO they looked worse than the stock black parts. The fake gold CF stuff is even worse than that.
I guess it might be a solid buy anyway, as most of those interior parts wouldn't cost stupid money to replace.
My thoughts:
- M030 is not a chassis stiffener; it's an upgraded suspension
- add a pic of the crease on the dash
- delete
(Bridgestone Potenza S04 rear, and Potenza RE760 Front) I have my reasons, for not putting the S04s in the front
. It's enough to note the tires are new. You can go further into the details with any interested parties
Car looks great! GLWS!
Thanks! I'm a super tire snob, and I just wanted to point out specifically what tires I choose.
I know what m030 is, but the description is from Porsche options code list..its what they call it
the dash crease is in the interior pic. I would say 99% of people may not even notice it.
Nicely written ad - lots of info there. Two thoughts, with apologies for the pedantry:
- "natural full leather" is a little confusing - 'natural' to me means the shade of brown that's the interior of my ME. Obviously one look at the pictures is all a prospective buyer needs, but still.
- "it's been a left coast car it's whole life" - that second apostrophe is redundant
Very nice looking car, GLWS (and good luck with the new arrival too!)
Thank you! Apparently, Porsche has 2 types of leather, their standard leather, and the PAG Natural leather - which is more supple. Since my car has that option, and Porsche calls it 'natural leather' that's what I forwarded
Doh! Will re-add that pic.
Have anyone seen a decent 996 in Texas? I'm looking to get my 1st Porsche and the 996 is what I'm interested in. I haven't been able to find any decent one for sale in TX. I've read the 2002 and up would be the best model to get, is this true and why?
As I have learned, all the 996s built between 1998 and 2005 have their pluses and minuses. I started looking for a 2002 - 2004 coupe and ended up with an early production 1999 coupe. I noticed it in the local Craigslist and went to take a look. I did everything you are not supposed to do prior to purchasing, knew better, but bought it anyway. I didn't test drive it because the battery was nearly dead (bad ground and alternator), I did get to hear the engine run, all the idiot lights were lit due to the low battery, and I didn't get a PPI. I trailered it home and fixed the ground and alternator issue. It has been a great car and I am very pleased with it. Read some of the sticky threads and learn about the differences between the model years and varieties.
Not to me at the price they are asking, but I would want to talk them down a little. It shows two accidents within a week of each other in 2014, but the first accident has no information. It is likely they are the same accident. I would look the car over very carefully to see how well the repairs were made. Look in the door jams to see if there is any buckled metal. Did the whole car get repainted? That could be a plus. For 10 or 11k, you could end up with a fun driver that you won't be scared to drive. Some people won't buy a car with accident damage and if you plan on keeping it as a garage queen and not driving it much, then this is probably not a car for you.
For reference, I bought a Mustang GT that had eight prior owners, had been repossessed, and had similar accident damage. I just recently gave it to a friend who needed a car and it was running great. I had it for over 8 years and had almost no issues with it.
I'm not a garage queen kind of guy, nor am I'm worried about resale. In some ways I view this as giving freedom to modify "make it mine" without destroying value.
Actually I'm more concerned about the "rear impact with another vehicle, moderate damage". I don't know if this means he was rear ended or if he rear ended someone. My guess is that he was rear ended and explains the aftermarket air intake and lack of rear badge. Good news is that this happened back on 2002, so there's been lots of miles since then.
Vincent T.-Keep in mind that there is nothing more expensive than a cheap Porsche!
Where in Texas are you? I purchased and 03 in March in Spring, TX.
Here is an 02 from same dealer that looks pretty nice.
http://www.euro2motors.com/2002-Pors...-77388/6181635
Advertised as sale by owner, but actually a dealer (eastdallasmotorcars.com). FWIW, if there's a VIN in the ad, always Google it to see what pops up. You might find the car in a salvage auction or on a used car lot.
No accidents on the Carfax, for whatever that is worth. Probably no service history -- looks like it's been through several hands, including a couple auctions. Nice color, gray interior looks OK. The price is probably about right for a Tiptronic, which (around here at least) goes for quite a bit less than a stick.
Personally, my preferred order of sellers probably has a outfit like this as the least desirable. They're not specialists, so they probably don't know that much about the car. I wouldn't necessarily rule this car out, but even with a good PPI it would still be somewhat of a crapshoot.
Considering it's a 03 with only 71k miles I think it's a great deal if there are no major issues. If PPI checks out well, I would have gone for it. Too bad it was already sold to someone today.
I could live with a tiptronic but couldn't with a cabriolet. Sorry I have sensitive skin. Just curious when you have the top covering the car, is it loud and drafty inside?
IMO there's not as much difference between 70k and 90k as there is between well-maintained and not well-maintained. Look for a car that has been consistently cared for and don't sweat the mileage that much.
I don't think so. I don't notice noise or drafts, but the cab definitely isn't as stiff as a coupe, so there are probably more creaks and rattles over rough roads. I imagine you hear the engine more in a cab, which I don't think is a bad thing. The top mechanism is complex and is one more potential point of failure, although (sound of knocking on wood) I haven't had any problems with mine. Properly maintained, these are pretty durable cars.
Uh? Hello? We're you been all my life. My 99 AeroSport has been on Dal CL for a month. Best 996 you can find. Price goes up $1500 next month when I put the LN bearing in it. Get it now.
Very nice 99. I am partial to the coupes, like this one, but I think I would want a cab if I were living on the big island. My wife and I were there last February and hit most of the highlights. It is a magical place, unlike anywhere else I have been. Rolling green hills, a little bit of beach, desert, desolate lava fields, rain forest, and an active volcano, all on one island. I have thought seriously of retiring there, at least for a while.
Yes, it's a beautiful place. Have you been to any of the other islands? All have their uniqueness and are beautiful! But it's so frickin expensive...
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Holler MN homie. Small world. I was casually looking at both of these also; as well as a nice 2008 targa. Looks like the 2002 is the only one left that grabbed my attention.
Did you happen to request any info from the owner on the 2002 or was that for the 1999?
Also; i think the 2002 is pretty juicy?
What does the crowd think? Any feelings on 92.5k on the clock for $21.5k. Value vs the mileage?
The 2002 does appear to be well kept. Good price for the mileage and condition, but not great, in my humble opinion. I guess that's why it is still for sale. Overall though, it does appear to have a lot of positives.
Nice runabout. Does it have a Porsche engine?
We went to Maui and the big island last February after going to Oahu and Maui the year before that. Spent two weeks each time. We went two years in a row because I really enjoyed that first trip so much. I could be talked into going again next year. There are still a few things I want to do. You are right about it being expensive, both as a tourist and a resident. We went sky diving at the North Shore (jumped from 14,300 feet), deep sea fishing off Maui, whale watching (we had an incredible experience with three whales breaching multiple times within 50 yards of the fishing boat on the way back to the dock, a big bonus on the fishing trip), snorkeling with Manta Rays (very cool), zip lining, horse back riding, a guided volcano tour (worth every penny), and a helicopter ride around the big island with the stop at the waterfall (more expensive that the round trip airfare from SC to HI). We did a bunch of other stuff too, such as plantation tours, Pearl Harbor, sailboat sunset sail, beaches, restaurants, driving around, etc). Each trip cost more than what I paid for my 911. Great memories.
Sorry to hijack the thread so I added some pictures for amusement. The big Mahi that I am holding was caught by my daughter who flew out to spend a few days with us on Maui during the second trip. Picture of the whale is from the fishing boat on the same fishing trip.
Ignore the non matching paint on the front bumper because if you are man then this is the car you prefer to drive!
Includes the much sought after automatic and manual transmission with A/C and most important in south Texas, HEAT!
https://mcallen.craigslist.org/cto/6095484639.html
Yup, there's a lot to work with here ...
"Asking $16,450 or best offer. Edmunds trade in value is $28,973"
Sounds like a late night infomercial... "cars like this sell for as much as $28,973 ... but, through this one-time limited offer ..."
Offer $10k and hold out until he throws in a set of steak knives.
How is it that some people are either blatantly dishonest or retarded (and I mean that in a South Park kind of way).
I went to Edmunds and stuck his car in the What's Your Car Worth tool and checked every option box except for a few it obviously doesn't have. According to the calculator, the trade in value in OUTSTANDING condition is $15,058. Where the h#$% does he get $28,973 from? When I see that kind of crap in an ad, I stay far away. You can't reason with that type of person.
Either it's been in a wreck or the guy had the bumper resprayed with he installed the side skirts. Both are incorrectly matched to the car. I wouldn't have paid for that paint job! Yikes!
I just test drove a mint 1999 C2 with 75K miles 6sp manual today. The car didn't have any records on hand but the engine does not leak and looks almost new when I took a peak underneath. I'm assuming IMS bearing has not been replaced but obviously does not currently need one. It runs and drives perfect! I notice there wasn't a CD changer in the front hood, did they not include this on the 99? AC blows cold and the only thing I found that didn't work was the 2 side electric mirrors. Is this an easy and inexpensive fix? My first impression when I test drove it was it's not that fast. I was expecting it to be faster, the steering doesn't give as much feedback as I was hoping. Other than that the car runs and looks great.
I'm going to be test driving a C2 2002 model next. Will I see a noticeable difference in power and speed with the 3.6L engine? I was a bit disappointed with the 3.4L.
The 3.6 has a little more pull but, would have to be able to switch from a 3.4 to a 3.6 occasionally to notice. If you're wanting a difference then look for the x51 package or a 40th anniversary
I had a 2002 Lapis Blue Metallic 996.2 Cab with tan interior. Spectacular paint color. I only sold it in anticipation of buying my 997.2. I looked for dark blue; aqua is not a good alternative. But, I settled on my second choice and my wife's favorite color, a Meteor Grey Metallic 997.2 C4S Cab. Probably my second favorite color on a modern Porsche, behind a nice dark blue.
I thought I was getting power by just getting a Porsche? I have an appt with an 02' C2 owner tomorrow. We'll see if this one excites me behind the wheel.
https://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/cto/6132589872.html
I don't want to flood the thread with odd cl ads, but this one should be amusing. Not sure that it's even possible to get a $20k body kit is it?
https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/ctd/6131119598.html
Saw this one in person. It's generally a clean car with a few cosmetic issues inside and out, but looks generally unmolested. I did not see any LN stickers on the engine hatch, nor the door jamb. Can't remember the build date, but I think it was late '98. Rear window was not stuck in the up position when I saw the car, the regulator has been replaced since the original photos were taken.
I didn't drive it... but will go back and take more detailed pics of specific areas if anyone is seriously interested and wants a rennfax.
The selling dealer stated that the car came from California and it didn't come with service records, but him and his mechanic had been under the car and saw tool marks on the bolts holding the tranny to the engine, so there is a chance that IMSB might have been swapped when the clutch was serviced.
At first glance, it seems like a really decent deal on a nice daily driver example.
Problems with this seller and his embellished description:
1. Price of $55,000. This a 2001 Carrera
NOT
a Turbo or GT3.
2. Quote: "Brand new 996 3.4L flat 6 with 0 miles installed at 78k."
My response:
That probably because the last motor grenaded itself. Still doesn't make it a $55,000 car.
3. Quote: "All black edition (rare)"
My response:
Hahaha Really? It has the standard graphite grey interior and those are aftermarket wheels. ugh! Most educated enthusiasts know the difference between a Porsche factory "black edition" and an old Mk1 Black Carrera that's been "blacked out".
4. Quote: "6x 10" in subwoofers with 3,000w amp installed professionally by Audio Props of Palm Beach."
My response: BURN IT! I'd hate to be crushed by that ugly thing if I had to slam on the brakes.
5. Quote: "$20,000 Porsche racing body kit."
My thoughts: Ok so you put $20,000 in what appears to be a OEM aero kit to make it track worthy, but why not go the full route and install roll bars and sport seats instead of wasting money with that hideous bass enclosure box?
6. Quote: "Car has been fully detailed and waxed twice a week since my ownership."
My scratch my head response: Really? Is the climate that bad in Florida that forces you to have to wash and wax these cars twice a week? What are you smoking seller??? Now you're blowing smoke!
7. And the king of all BS remarks and I quote, "No joy rides this car is in
perfect
condition."
My response: "perfect"... really? this car is like fresh off the factory line with Ferdinand Porsche's signature? hahahaha Gimme a break seller! There ain't nothing that is made with human hands that is "perfect"... ok, maybe a new 991 GT3R, but not a 17 year old Carrera.
I test drove an 02' C2 6sp today and wow there is a different compare to the 99'. The 02 has a stronger pull and felt I was going faster and further until it got close to red line on 1st & 2nd gear. I like the 02 but he wanted too much $21k and the fact that the previous owner died in that car from an accident made me felt awkward so I didn't make him an offer. Certainly will be on the search and hunt for an 02-04 911.
true - under $100 to put a 911 or Carrera badge on though. The adjustable wing on the aero is cool, not all of them are adjustable from what I understand. If the DME report looks good and other things check out, I'd pay within 10% of that.
Here is one with the GT3 look, "2001 Porsche 911 996 GT3 Price Dropped - $18000 ". Not my style, but it looks kinda cool and at first glance may be in good shape with some other mods.
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/6131627852.html
While it's not my style either, my only criticism is this...
If you're going to go to the trouble of replacing the front bumper, why not also change to the 2002+ look? IMO, it updates the looks way more than the rest of the body kit and the yellow walls.
This is an interesting 99 with lots of mods. It appears expensive for what it is, but is very unique.
https://miami.craigslist.org/brw/cto/6138565637.html
165K miles, new engine, lots of mods, $22.5K
I'm really digging that blue. It would be hard to get 22k with a replacement engine and a 165k on the chassis. Especially if no suspension renewal has been done.
Did you read the ad?
Looks to me that he's done a lot of suspension upgrades...
"Gt3 control arms, subframe high performance bushings, koni shocks with Eibach springs"
I like the blue, I'm OK with the tail lights. Hate the black wheels, tint, and especially the yellow headlights.
This car is really a study in pros and cons. New engine, but from the description it sounds like a Vertex rebuild. The suspension work is a plus, but that car has space shuttle miles on the chassis. And there are a lot of aftermarket upgrades, some of which have equally divided communities of supporters and detractors.
Personally, I wouldn't go anywhere near $22k for this car because there's so much that I would want to undo. But I'll bet that it's exactly what somebody is looking for.
The blue 911 isn't my cup of tea either. I like mine to look very clean and stock. The best looking 996 is the C4S I think. Give me one in a seal grey color and I will be all over it!
I've been searching a 996 almost everyday and find mostly cabriolet, what is up with that?? Is this what it has to boil down to? I'm tempted to go test drive one just to see what it's like.
I love my 911 Cabriolet. I have owned three Porsches, 986.1, 996.2, and 997.2. All were convertibles. In my mind, a sports car should have a manual transmission and a drop top.
If you're like most owners, you won't drive it much in bad weather, so why be saddled with a metal roof on sunny days? Be grateful Porsche cabriolets are not commanding the huge premiums they do in most other marques.
I did a checkout on a Mk1 cab, and I liked it bigly. Drove well, and with the top down was pretty comfy. If you like open cars, don't let the 996 sway you away.
Test the top mechanism or have it checked by a pro. Costly to fix. Good luck, if you want a coupe, get a coupe.
I'm not too big on convertibles and the coupe is what I really want. Was just curious of how it drives and how it felt with the top up if it's noisy or drafty. Do you know if the Targa has a different body shape compare to the C2 coupe?
There was a recent thread on how quiet the convertibles are. I have never driven one with the top up so I can't comment.
The Targa is a narrow body C2. It looks very similar, but obviously has the complex see-through roof.
I recall reading in another thread that Porsche imported more cabs than coupes into the US, while RoW got more coupes than cabs. Also, it seems plausible that more cabs may have survived just because they're not all-weather or all-year cars in many climates.
By all means, drive a cab to see what it's like. I wanted a cab, I got one, and I love it. But Doc's advice is as sound as ever: don't settle, buy what you really want. I've never met the man, but I think he might could be on to something.
If you want a coupe, then by all means, buy that.
Cabs are not drafty and I have not had one leak, even in a couple of monstrous thunder storms. As for noise, the top is insulated, but it's fabric rather than metal, and the window seals to that fabric can't be a secure, so it's probably louder than a coupe. I have driven several of each, but never noticed a difference.
Targas have a larger rear window. The slope is more gradual; this results in larger rear side windows. I really like the roof mechanism and the idea of an open coupe, but, IMO, despite the iconic nose, the window design of the 996 and 997 Targas makes them look like Pontiac Sunbirds.
2002 996.2 Targa
2010 997.2 Targa
Fugly American car
That's the truth! Thanks! There's a few of us, but not many. The market values have about doubled in the last few years but I like that it's still a relatively small market car.
They are very different cars that serve very different purposes. My heart will always lie with both Porsche and the Classic Mini. (I typed that sentence over and over trying to decide on which car I like better.) As far as putting a smile on my face and the faces of everyone who sees it, the Mini wins every time. I'm going to sell this one in a few months before I move across the country. I was going to put it on BAT but if someone on here were to be interested, I'd be happy to do a deal.
I think this one needs to do some more IMS research.....99 cab with 97k miles for $13.5
"No IMS issues as it has a single row bearing and not the dual row (that issue starts on cars made the subsequent year)."
https://vermont.craigslist.org/cto/6154218118.html
This one has a unique look, not my style but I do like it: 2001 Cab, decent factory options, asking $24,995, Los Angeles.
Techart wide body, HRE 19 inch wheels, custom wing, carbon fiber, Techart suspension.
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/ws...162055044.html
Maybe the only possible concern is the little paper taped on the left of the windshield, looks like a temporary registration, as if it was recently purchased from a dealer. If that is the case, then why is it being resold before the official registration is received.
Nice find! The price is so low I wonder what the catch is. I've been looking for something similar, but they usually hover around $25K in similar condition.
This car was sold here on RL a month ago or so and I almost bought it. The previous seller(super nice guy) was in the SF bay area and I actually took a look at the car. It drove pretty well, just some minor cosmetic issues(minor dings and passenger quarter panel was repainted). The previous owner also mentioned that the motor was recently rebuilt because of a cracked block/head.
https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...-rollcage.html
Interesting to see what this will go for. My guess is reserve not met. Seller says he's willing to just drive it if it doesn't go for what he wants.
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/200...911-carrera-3/
Agreed. If he's been looking at some of the recent ads where sellers are in the $35k range for lesser cars, he's probably expecting stupid money for this car. If his reserve is in the mid 30's, he's competing with 996 C4S, 997.1, and maybe even a few 996TT's. There's an outside chance he finds that buyer who always wanted a brand new unmodified 996.2, but I think he's going to be disappointed.
This might be interesting ... '99 coupe with what looks like a 2/98 build date, 73k miles, 6 speed, Litronics, Sport Design wheels. Dealer asking $13k. Google shows it in a salvage auction last year, so PPI a must.
http://www.cascadecarsales.com/vehic...5a19939906a8e/
Stupid AutoTrader link doesn't seem to be working ... VIN is
WP0AA2993XS620418
, located in Oregon.
I love this one, but....it's definitely not a 40th Anniversary and I'm almost positive this same car was for sale using these photos two years ago.
http://m.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=406401610
It's a double edge sword...on one hand some will argue that after 86k miles, if it was going to fail it would have by now. On the other hand, if driven so little then lack of driving causes lack of bearing lubrication and it could fail.
I just bought a 2001 996 with 76k miles that was driven 2k miles a year over the last 5 years....having IMS fixed this week.
Great 996.1 in Virginia Beach that I would definitely check out if I was on the East Coast. Lower miles with all the IMS/RMS work done. I'd probably spend a few grand on new paint though...
https://norfolk.craigslist.org/cto/6180875905.html
That looks like Vesuvio Metallic paint; I definitely wouldn't repaint that car. Have you ever seen a 996 in that color? It's actually pretty stunning. What I really like is that this car doesn't have the almost-obligatory beat-to-hell gray interior. And, according to the ad, it's full leather.
That car shouldn't last long at that price. If everything checks out, it's well under the usual $20k it takes to buy and sort out one of these cars.
$10,000 asking price for a black on black, 6 speed, coupe. Running, driving car owned by the same private individual for several years. This one belongs to a buddy of mine who is a fellow board member for the Kansas City Automove Museum. Matt is a car guy - he has three 996s plus a bunch of other cool old cars. The engine runs fine, but has a tick in it. I've heard it - it's not horrible, doesn't sound like impending doom. But Matt's very realistic about what the car is worth with the mileage and the IMSB hysteria. It's a good deal if you understand what the car is and what it isn't.
https://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/6165733916.html
The black on black 996 from Kansas City seems like it has a "ticking" time bomb and the price reflects this. While the price is attractive, I wouldn't touch it.
You might not notice it if he didn't point it out - I didn't. Once he pointed it out, I'm like, "oh, yeah, I hear what you're talking about." I wouldn't be surprised if that engine ran fine for another 50,000+ miles.
Again, we're talking about a $10,000 asking price here folks. If the engine does blow, sell the carcass for $6,000 and you're out $4,000. Or, if it doesn't blow, drive it for 2 or 3 years and sell it easy for what you paid for it.
Well, I missed the part about the clutch. I didn't see it in the ad - last time I rode in it was about a year ago, so my bad. The motor he's referencing a trade for is for one of his other 996s that had an IMSB failure.
Bottom line, it's a cheap car. People in this forum have spent more repairing a transmission than what he's looking to get out of it. Jeez, you'd think he was trying to get top dollar out of it. Like anything, do your homework when you buy. I can guarantee you that it's not more than $10k overpriced.
KC, for this car $10k is a top dollar. He is your buddy, so I can see why you would be sticking up for the deal.
Car IS a roller that needs clutch and has 200k on the chassis. This is a $5k car.
I really don't see all the reason for the negativity. This car is priced appropriately and it is a perfect pick up for a guy that wants a hobby car and has mechanical ability. Fix the clutch, replace IMS and RMS, probably AoS too and check other things, and then you have a car you could track without crying if it blows up.
Heck if someone wants to buy my 944 for 5k right now, I'd have to strongly consider this 996 to pick up as a track toy. I could do the needed work install an X50 oil baffle and go beat the holy heck out of this car and not cry when or if it blows up either. This car is almost ideal in many ways. If its still sitting around in December when I get my big annual bonus, I will offer $8500 and profit!
I don't have issues with the price. I have issues with the seller knowing it has a ticking motor, but yet - fails to disclose it in the ad. To me that speaks very lowly of his character.
Imagine a buyer going in to see the car based on the ad, and the seller saying, oh right.. "I forgot to mention in the ad that the motor ticks." Your speculation of 'the motor is probably fine based on the ticks that you heard a year ago is laughable at best.
I have no problem with project vehicles, in some way it's preferable as a hobby car, keeps me out of the bar.
So for me it comes down to 3 questions:
1. Could I drive the car 900 miles from KC to home?
2. How much would a clutch (and I assume flywheel), IMSB, RMS and AOS cost to replace?
3. Once item 2 issues are taken care of, how long is the ticking engine likely to last?
Any opinions welcome.
Depends on the cause of #3 totally. Bad lifters... bore damage or maybe just a small exhaust leak. It depends entirely on cause. The ticking can be fixed too. It's finding out the cause and repairing it that is the unknown.
You could always get a borescope and inspect the bores as well as get a compression test done. scored cylinders or a sticking lifter may show up there, and exhaust leak will not. Look for soot at all the exhaust gaskets and connections will be best for finding an exhaust leak or feeling around while the engine is running.
I've even personally seen a bad plug wire shorting out causing quite the ticking noise. I found it with my hand before I saw it. That was lots of fun, thank goodness its low current because the voltage is super high.
So you call out others who say the car is a high risk and therefor overpriced at 10K. State, "This car is priced appropriately..." Then say you would offer him $8,500.
Wait for it....wait for it....Classic.
Yes that's what I would offer. That's me, but I always negotiate on price. I travel to parts of the world that unless you negotiate you are essentially a sissy.
I think 10k is fair, but being thrifty doesn't make me an evil person. I'm not sure this car could be had for $8500, but I bet we'd settle somewhere in the middle if I had a hand full of bens too. I've done this multiple times. I currently own 7 vehicles. I didn't pay full asking for any of them except for the ZR-1. I only got $500 off my 996, but it was already priced really well. I asked for less, but settled at an even 18.
Heck if you think I'm so mean, next time you buy a big ticket item, offer more than the asking price. I know idiots from CA do it all the time and its driving up my house value, but I'm not an idiot.
Unwarranted certitude aplenty.
I DEMAND WE INDICT THIS SELLER FOR CHARACTER FLAWS OF THE HIGHEST ORDER!!!
sure, after you demonstrate conclusively:
- the tick is scoring & not a noisy part of the top end
- the seller knows conclusively the engine is nearing a full teardown
- the engine is not able to service another 10, 20, 30, 50 thousand regular miles without a teardown
Otherwise, maybe don't buy the car. Or maybe say it's suspect & more information is needed to justify anything over roller pricing.
Last I checked, a roller is a car that can't do a canyon drive or get you to work & back. Every other 996 on the road is a ~15yo car somewhere on the spectrum of needing a rebuild in the future. The car in question is priced very close to needing a rebuild. Barking about mispricing a 996 by $4k is silly. That's one healthy maintenance bill for Allah's sake.
My budget was $20k so I got my car in Denver for $18. Happy to show it to you to help you see what's possible.
I think docmirror on here has a great car given options but it was a bit over my price range. He is in ft. Worth. It's also red but with tan interior. I do like the red/blk better but his car has ALL the cool options, m030, limited slip diff sport seats.
Ive seen a few nice deals in Austin but they go quick. There is a neat 00 special edition up here that has been for sale a while. With some negotiation it might be a great buy.
Been searching on the popular classifications and test drove a few. Haven't found one I really like yet but I'm leaning towards the 3.6L C2 coupe. I find it has better pick up speed and a little more umph! Lots of cabriolets with good pricing but I want a coupe. Thank you for your kind offer.
I wanted a coupe too and a 6 spd, and I didn't really want the typical blk, grey or silver DFW 911 too. That alone eliminates probably 80% for sale. My car isn't perfect but it was a very good deal and the wife loves it too.
This is a CL finds feedback thread. I give feedback based on information presented to me. No more, no less.
Good luck to your friend. I'm sure he's a good guy to
you.
Yes, well, we were both hoping to retire on the ill gotten gains from our scheme to dump this 996 on some poor unsuspecting sucker. Dammit, you Silicon Valley types are just too smart for us flyover rubes with your expert diagnosis based on my obviously fatally flawed first-hand observation.
I see you have to retort to sarcastic remarks and personal attacks, because.. well you have nothing else.
Why don't you try to put yourself in a perspective buyers shoes, and look at the facts presented to us before you go home with your ball.
- Seller admits, there is a ticking sound
- You said you heard it a year ago
- None of this 'ticking' is indicated in the ad
I merely pointed this out, nothing more, nothing less. I am not here to diagnose the car, nor did say anything else regarding the car's mechanical state...
If I was buying a car, i'd would certainly want anything abnormal mechanically related disclosed in the ad before I made the trek to see it. Not to be 'surprised' when I showed up. Again, this is all feedback because--well, I don't think I need to remind you the title of the thread again.
OK, here's one, and to be clear, I HAVE NO FVCKING AFFILIATION AT ALL WITH THIS SELLER, so flame away:
https://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/6172876419.html
2002 tippy cab. Salvage title. Engine is shot with an IMS bearing failure. Asking $14,000.
Somebody call Dept of Homeland Security on this guy because he's obviously a terrorist.
Ticks are bad, mmmmkay! Lymes disease comes from 996 ticks. Everybody knows that!
The asking price is 10k. Emphasis on "ASKING"
It's really simple for those that may truly be interested. You contact the seller, make the request that you'd like a good Porsche guy in the area do a diagnosis. Go down there together, and either submit an offer or respectfully decline.
I now return you to the previously scheduled program of "Bickering Over Nothing On Al Gore's Internets!"
And since this is about CL ads, perhaps a 996 Rants and Raves threads is in order?Nevermind, bad idea. Really bad idea!
(Note to self: Quickly unsubscribe to thread as if this post never occurred.)
With 28K on the odo, there are some choice low mileage parts available on that car; such as interior and possibly tip trans. However, with a failed motor due to IMS - I would say that car is probably only really worth 10K. He did say OBO, so maybe someone will get lucky and get it super cheap and rebuild himself, or grab a takeoff motor elsewhere..
God lord! I don't participate in this thread for awhile and it goes to pot!
WTF is the problem here? The thread is for posting up cars for sale so the group can chime in with their thoughts on it.
KC posted an ad, disclosed his relationship to the car, and gave his honest thoughts about its condition. So what the hell is the problem here?
You don't like the car or price? That's fine, this is the place to point out what you see to justify that. Getting on KC's case for the text of an ad he didn't write (and you wouldn't know was incomplete without his assessment) is just silly.
Personally given what KC has told us (and anyone that thinks he would knowingly try to screw someone over is seriously barking up the wrong tree), $10k indeed seems like a fair starting point.
More over, to the "I wanna know everything before I commit!". Pure BS. It's a used car with a ton of miles on it, you'll never know it all. And anyone that expects a $10k 996 to NOT have significant issues is lying to themselves regardless of what is and isn't in the ad.
I respectfully disagree. Not disclosing some door dings, minor damage, or even non-functioning interior electronics is one thing. Not disclosing engine ticking noises is well.. just not too cool.
At no point did I mention anything negative regarding value of the car or otherwise. I just noted that both the seller and his friend stated that the motor ticks. I went over to the ad, and found it odd it was not mentioned -- and pointed this out.
Take it for what it is, i'm not the one selling the car--just providing feedback on the ad.
Care to share this good 996 for sale? I'm very jealous you guys found your 996 and I want to jump on the bandwagon to enjoy the fun driving experience.
My ideal 996 color is the midnight blue with the caramel leather interior, 02-04, C2 coupe, 5sp manual. I really like just the bare bone exterior. Your 996 looks great, I really like those rims. How long have you had it and has it given you much trouble?
I was being a little snarky - sorry. I had an ad up for my 99 AeroSport a while back for $21,500 and declined a few low-ball offers. Now I've put in the LN bearing, clutch, release bearing, and new front trans mounts and I was going to ask $24k for it, but I think competing with all the $14k cars out there is kind of wasting time.
And just so I don't anger the 'CL finds' thread gods I give you this(well, not giving it to you - as they say):
https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/cto/6181054936.html
No affiliation, no ticking, no interest.
AGREED! Asking questions of the seller before "traveling to see the car" is a pretty much standard/smart procedure. KCA was just adding what he knew and sharing the CL ad. To flame on him is ridiculous. It's always buyer beware, due diligence and all that other crap! Price is not much above roller price and it runs. Is it scored...maybe. Will it run for a long time...maybe...maybe not. It is a used car after all...no guarantees! OH BOY!
I avoided driving doc's car because I didn't want to lowball him at 20k. I think his car is easily worth what he is asking given options and condition. It's option list is incredible.
The wheels on my car were installed by PO, not the one I bought it from. I'm not sure I love them. I think the rear offset is a little off and they stick too far out for hard driving.
I've owned the car since the end of March and put about 1,000 miles on it. They only issue so far is the sunroof switch is not sitting in it's housing correctly. I'm going to have to take it apart and fix a busted tab or switch plate or something of that nature. I have the original dual row IMSB in my box of spares which didn't need replacement but was replaced anyway with an LN engineering bearing 10k miles ago. I don't have all documentation on this car from day one, but the PO is a standup guy. I found the car on PCA classifieds.
I know I underpaid for my car based on what similar cars have brought lately, and I'm happy with that. If I want to get really nitpicky my car has one door ding that is quite noticeable and has some interior scuffing on the black plastic around the door sills and other places. Outside of that it's almost perfect. Now for a car with 84k on the clock it looks impeccable. In my experience German car interiors just hold up way better than the domestic competition and with attention to detail can last well over 200k without major problems. A domestic car interior is total trash at 100k.
http://click.messages.autotrader.com/?qs=daeb0da1177614718c3a552843b567d65e488b4085f93274405e4aa01f5fa6d05244 cf21ad3902f775a6970c08d67d105c6100f9f476c941
This one is an interesting one in my area. I'm not in the market but some of you might be.
5k miles on engine rebuild. Looks HEAVILY optioned from the pics. Rare?
Cheers,
Debo sends.
I think that Milllenium Edition in Texas has been posted before. It's a good price IF that expensive engine rebuild was any good ... for a car with one of Jake's engines it would be a steal.
Car is being sold by a fellow RL'er for his friend that passed...
http://click.messages.autotrader.com...6100f9f476c941
This is the one I referred to a few posts back. I received all the invoices of the work preformed yesterday if anyone is serious it looks to be a good car (price is always negotiable).
I can't pull the trigger just yet.
The detailed story on this car is in the Millennium Edition registry thread. Its a heartwarming story to say the least.
Wheels were painted due to chrome wheels being highly prone to chipping exposing red-colored primer underneath. Most millenniums' wheels are painted, mine included.
EDIT: Damn, everyone beat me to it! ;P
I really hope that ME goes to a good owner. Sounds like it is well loved and continued to be cherished. Definitely not a car you want to see neglected.
Heh. Tell me about it. I have a set sitting under my deck that I need to do something with
As much as I was not a fan of them when they were on the car, over a year later and I still think the car looks funny with out them...
Yes, that ME has been for sale for a while. The price has been adjusted to make it more tempting. Honestly at the current price, I would've driven it back in March. As I said earlier my ceiling was 20 at the time. It's a really unique car with desirable options.
Unique in the sense that there are/were 910 others just like it
Definitely looks/sounds like a good car. Too bad the ME is so generally under appreciated
It's hard to find an equally optioned non-ME car for close to the price you can usually pick an ME up for.
Even new they were quite the good deal. As I recall, other than colors (our's is blk/blk), the option to do a sunroof delete, and the aerokit, the spec she did for her car was the same as the ME, but the ME we were offered was almost 10k less (so about 3k off if she didn't get the AK). Other than the MEs, I've yet to see another 996 spec'd so well. Definitely nice cars.
I've seen that ME in TX awhile back and the only thing that is stopping me from calling to schedule a test drive is the all wheel drive. I live in hot TX and don't really need 4wd.
Interesting to see the GT3/Aero front bumper on it without the rest of the Aero package. Looks sooo much better in my opinion as (to me) the normal bumper just feels like it lacks definition at the bottom.
AWD, not 4WD. Someone from the land of pickups should know the difference
While the AWD does make a difference in bad conditions, that's not what it was designed to do. This is built with performance and cornering in mind.
The AWD and RWD definitely handle and act differently, but don't discount a C4 due to misconceptions about what the system is for.
Also it is a simple matter to disconnect the AWD system if you really don't like it and it will act like a RWD car just fine. It's just as simple to turn it back into a AWD car (if you hang onto all the parts) when it's time to move on.
Additionally, the C4 shares the more rigid tub with the GT3. So if you wanted to be serious about track duty (not something I'd do with a ME), a C4 is the better starting platform to work from.
Opps, you're right about the bumper. I didn't enlarge the pics and it looks like the MkI Aero bumper in the small version.
I can't tell on the side skirts. I honestly don't know the difference (is there any?) between the MkI and MkII versions. I also can't tell if the "doesn't look quite right" things I see are because they aren't real or just bad light reflections.
Thank you for the clarification and education on the AWD system. I'm really starting to like this car more and more. The ad of that violet ME car said the engine has rebuilt and replace IMS, RMS, water pump etc. I'm a bit confused by this as I've always been accustom to a rebuild engine being replace everything in the core such as pistons, cranks, valves etc. If the PO only replaced parts mentioned, would it still be considered as a rebuilt engine? This would be significant for me as the car has close to 100k miles.
Rebuild is a loaded term around here.
I took that all as those were replaced in addition to the "rebuild". I'd want to know more about both the rebuild and the reason for a rebuild.
Red interior!? Yeah, that might explain the nine owners. Good thing is if ketchup fell out of your burger on the seats, dash or floors no-one would notice! Too bright for me.
I really don't mind if it has a more reliable motor but I honestly don't think any (non Porsche) swap motor will truly be in sync with the original Porsche. One thing I haven't seen is folks putting a 997.2 engine in a 996. Would this be doable? Would love to have a 99' C2 with the 3.8L engine.
+1 ... and maybe not a chassis with space shuttle miles on it. At 175k, I hope it's had a full suspension & steering refresh. Otherwise, that $36,500 is just a down payment.
Anything is doable if you have the money to pour down the pipe.
Options:
Cram a 9A1 into a 996: Lots of pain, time, and money. It will likely be a work in progress well after it is "done" too.
By a 996 and ship it to Jake, he'll make it a 3.8l if you want. Probably cheaper than the 9A1 cram job, but still $$$$ and there is a long lead time.
Just buy a 997.2 and be done with it. Probably the same cost as going the Jake route, but you have it sooner.
Also, the 9A1 isn't without it's issues too. It's no m96, but it's not perfect either.
I was thinking for some who have a blown M96 motor could find a 9A1 motor for a decent price could be an option. You're probably right, it's always a work in progress when you swap a different motor.
I believe one of our Canadian members actually has a 9A1 (picked it up for a steal) that he has set aside for just such a need.
The issue is that all the electronics and wiring harnesses need to be swapped too. I *think* you might even need a new transmission. Then all the odds and ends to get everything to mate up and play nice as with any not like for like swap.
Since all the critical electronics changed, then you have to deal with the gauge cluster.
Will the 996 security module play nice, or does it need to be replaced? If it has to go too, what about the ignition and door locks?
Etc...
Maybe I'm just a guy who drank the Kool-Aid, but my bet is that one of Jake's engines will be more reliable in the long run than a used 9A1. Porsche can afford a certain number of failures. Jake really can't ... and even if he could, I don't think he could abide by them.
Judging by the few sales that we've seen, I'd also expect a car with a FSI engine to hold its value pretty well. No idea if that would be true for a car with a 9A1 transplant.
Not trying to start a ruckus here ... as Dennis Miller says, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
People around here use this free site advertise (more so than CL). I'd give this car an "unknown issue" status:
http://www.ksl.com/auto/listing/3833602?ad_cid=14
That's a pretty good deal if it is all legit. Asking price seems about $3,000 too low, plus the issue with the brother moving to Thailand sounds a little scammy. But, the photos look like it could be in Utah. California plates match the description in the ad. They disclose a check engine light. So, maybe they pulled a value off Kelly Blue Book and went with that.
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And then there's this, which kind of brings us back to our previous discussion of salvage titles and totaled cars:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2003-Porsche-911/162561942076
This looks like it used to be a nice car, and the mileage (75k) isn't bad. But with that rear end damage, does anybody think he can "simply sell it quick for a small profit?"
31 people watching the auction ... either prospective buyers or
Someone has been probing about the Orlando C4S because the ad detail has increased significantly...
https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/cto/6191480468.html
Vincent, not sure if you're asking about the Orlando C4S...if so, the price hasn't changed in a month. He just included a lot more detail about IMS status and an accident that shows up on the car's history.
Nice 996.1 C4 just came up in San Francisco. Appears to be in good condition, original IMS though. Fair price...
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/6193110873.html
Again why?
The dual row has far less chance of failure and at that mileage you know it doesn't have a case misalignment that destroyed the bearing.
Certainly wouldn't be wrong to change it as long as you've done your research and understand the risks and rewards, but it's certainly not an "OMG!!! Must change NOW!!!" situation by any stretch.
The rear bumper looks like it was homemade modified? In any event, looks horrible IMO. Not too crazy about the interior color. People say there is a slight cosmetic difference from the 2001 to the 2002 but other than the headlights, I can't find anything else different.
These cars don't depreciate which is why I purchased it few years back. Have two small children wife says it has to go
Really?
And it's the worst color!
If it where vinyl it should have been peeled off as soon as it was put on unless the guy is blind! Speaking of the blind, who at Porsche picks this interior color?
If they were real cuts we should be seeing the heat shields. The black looks too flat (texture) to me to suggest that we are seeing them painted. The heat shields have a "waffle" texture to them so I'd expect to see light variations if that's what we were looking at.
Don't we have someone from HI around here? I think a rennfax to see what the hell is going on is worthwhile!
I would have. I like the red. I would have done full leather though to get rid of the plastic. Maybe the deviated option with black would work well.
We actually played with the idea of the custom interior color option to match a color of lipstick called "Vamp" back then (deep burgundy color). She chickened out and went with black though. Then for 01 they removed the deviating color option so we ended up with all black vs the black with dark grey deviation we wanted
I contacted the owner when I was searching and they are actual cut-outs. He bought it from the guy who did the hack job but said it would cost to much money to ship a new bumper to HI for the fix.
At 89.5k it is way under priced by 3-5k.
Something is likely wrong with that car and since the pics all look decent, my bet is the owner got some bad news about the motor and is hoping the low price will sell it without many questions asked.
You'd have to know about the service history to even talk about it. It looks pretty ragged and that's reflected in the asking price. After you spend a few grand on getting it freshened up, and a couple more doing things you want, you could have bought a nicer car to begin with.
If it were me, I would keep saving my money until I could buy a good one. A cheap 911 can be one of the most expensive cars to buy. My advice, don't go down that rabbit hole.
I just now notice that, also he said the display on the climate control is shot. Can't really make out the numbers or letters but AC still works. This sounds like an expensive part to replace.
I'd put money on the current owner being responsible for the hack job on the bumper. Who in they're right mind would do that or buy it like that?
AS for red, I do like some red interiors but this looks horrible color or shade wise. They do seem to wear less then other colors in the P pallet from what little I've seen.
I wasn't serious about this car, just wanted feedbacks from you guys. I was also curious why this car was at this price and now I know. Thanks for the advice.
Too bad it's Tiptronic, no offense to Tip owners
I understand that Tip cabs are big sellers in some markets, but IMO this car has limited appeal on two fronts (and I say that as someone with a cab, albeit one that has the proper number of pedals). Add in the salvage title and this is looking like one hard-to-sell car.
The climate control wouldn't bother me
per se
, but it would make me wonder about other nagging issues and deferred maintenance. Of course, it's possible that the owner's mechanic -- or, God forbid, a Porsche dealer -- quoted him a stupid price to replace the climate control box and he decided to sell instead.
Still, the price sounds about right to me ... assuming there are no other issues lurking. Anything else going on, like a funky top, and $12,500 might be optimistic.
Always a story to back up low prices.
Given the new info, it's probably priced about correct. Depending on what the damage was, could be a good no worries car to just drive into the ground and have fun with until it blows up.
What does the repair kit do, replace the display or just fix the old one? What does IIRC stand for? I've been seeing this often but clueless. Sorry for the newbie questions as I am still learning.
What do you guys think of this one? Love the looks of the CS4 wide body.
https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/32110521
1 - lot of money for a beetle
2 - lot of money for a beetle with >100k miles
edit: the upgrades are pretty nice, decent value for the money there. Negotiate down a bit & there's a good chance you'll extract some value before it needs big $$.
Yeah it does have high mileage but it seems like it was well taken care of. It has all of the options from factory plus the upgrades which makes it a good value. Decisions decisions..
That car looks Super clean. It is the bad year for the m97 motor or was the m96 still in the 05 997? I know the 05 987 motor is known for the ims issue.
If it was really a launch vehicle, then I believe it should still have the m96 (unless the motor was replaced at some point). I thought, however, from Jake's comments that the earliest 997s actually had the 996 interior too, but this one clearly doesn't.
Nothing bad about either of those things, just that I'd want a CoA on the car to back up their claims.
Surprisingly, that seal gray over boxster red Mk I aerokit car is stuck at $15,250 with one day to go. It would be an absolute steal if it goes for under $20,000.
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/200...911-carrera-6/
This is insane.
Perfect looking silver '99 coupe, manual with 73k miles and litronics for $12,990? I spent twice that for my 4S with lony a bit fewer miles. Someone please buy this car and love it.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...8442/overview/
I think 9 prior owners is the bigger issue, but our biases differ as the interior doesn't bother me at all. Kind of like the color contrast against the exterior, actually.
I agree; red looks great with dark grey. I simply wouldn't be comfortable driving with a bright interior like that every day. I have seen red and terra cotta interiors lingering in the classifieds. I remember a dealer's reasonably priced silver/red 997.2 S cab when I was looking that was on the websites forever, even with a couple of modest price reductions.
And yeah, I didn't know about the ownership history, nine is a lot of potentially deferred maintenance.
That is cheap but I don't think I would be able to live with that interior color. Plus it has had 9 owners and accident reported on carfax. I bet bidding will pick back up close to the end of the auction though
I posted this one a couple weeks ago. The good is a 2/98 build date. The bad is a salvage auction last year. Front end hit.
EDIT: just read the later posts. I agree, not a great paint match on the bumper cover. But it could still be worth a look at that price ... an insurance company could easily total a '99 coupe based on the dealer cost of front end body work, so I'm not sure the salvage title means that much. And $13k (or less) isn't terrible if it turns out to be a good driver, even for a 10-footer.
Why is it on these Aero BaT jobs there is always one nut job talking about removing the wing? As if there is a shortage of non-Aero 996s they could be looking at instead...
The 996s aren't alone though. I watch the E-Type auctions too and keep seeing idiots talking about changing out parts of complete numbers matching cars. Even saw one seriously suggest cutting the top off a coupe to turn it into a roadster
There are some really knowledgable commenters on BaT, but there are some serious idiots too...
Nah, if it was just the bumper, the front is cheap. It's the rear bumper that is $$$. Now if one (or god forbid both!) of the headlights needed to be replaced, that certainly wouldn't be helping it's cause. Same goes if the cooling system took some damage.
I think a detailed PPI where they remove the front bumper to inspect things would be worthwhile. At the price though? If it generally looks good and passes an average PPI for the mechanicals, just drive the hell out of it and enjoy.
Here's what seems to be a good deal. 01 with 83K miles, 2nd owner, no IMS done, but brand new brakes. Silver over black with carbon fiber.
https://southbend.craigslist.org/cto/6155641207.html
I just learned today that the 99-01 996 N/A model has the vario cam with pads which needs replacing after xx miles. This requires taking off and tear down the motor. This could mean a deal breaker.
If that's a deal breaker for you, then I suggest that the 996 (of any variation) is not the car for you.
I can't think of any examples (though I'm sure they are out there) of people proactively tearing down their motors to replace those. If they are in for something else or if there is some sign that they are going bad, sure. Not for the hell of it though.
Hell, most of us go way beyond the suggested water pump interval and bad things don't happen to most of us.
If you listen to and follow all the advised intervals for changing stuff, you'd never drive the car and in a year or two you could have bought a new 991.
Buy it. Drive it. Enjoy it. Fix it when something is actually wrong. That is the way to a happy 996 life.
I've only replaced a few things on my 996, which was bought with a pre-existing warranty and consistent maintenance since new.
- engine mounts (1 hour labor)
- starter motor (8 hours labor)
- starter y-cable (^^done w motor)
- left headlight disassembly & connection refitting (1-2 hours)
- rear brakes (1 hour)
- fix oil cooler line leak (engine drop, 10+ hours @ shop)
- repair crack in transmission mount bracket (machine shop, unknown time)
- repaired vacuum leak in secondary air system (3 hours)
- 6 oil changes (hour each)
- fixed broken driver door spring (2 hours)
- fixed errant bolt in window regulator, driver's side (1.5 hours)
- replaced worn interior parts to refresh interior (10+ hours overall)
If you're not a DIY I'd run fast to the nearest dealership & get a lease. YMMV
Chain tensioners, water pump & low temp thermostat are next on my list of maintenance items, alongside some performance updates I want to knock out within the next year.
I think it's just invasive top end work, not an engine tear down. Probably ~2k of mostly labor to get it done properly by an indy. It's probably outside the scope of my skill.
You should have the tolerance for a few grand per year in maintenance outside of the standard oil/tires servicing imo. But if your camshaft deviation is within spec and oil is free of debris, it's my understanding it's not something you need to prioritize. Just schedule it out and have your rainy day fund.
$25k is a good solid buy there. Probably a $20k off of BaT due to the accident.
BaT is fun to watch, but I don't think it's the place to buy a car. You aren't likely to get a deal there at all it appears.
Nice color combo IMO. Relatively high mileage but looks like it's been well cared for. 2 owner car.
https://knoxville.craigslist.org/ctd/6196057409.html
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...ting=177351078
This will be an interesting one to watch since the car has been in an accident. Plus it's a targa with some tasteful upgrades (e.g. 19" OEM wheels) and it looks like the damage from the accident was repaired nicely... so it should hit a little above the $20K mark IMHO.
It's kind of funny the seller covered up is license tag (which we all know is standard procedure to protect privacy), but he posts invoices with his personal residential address and phone number. hahaha Oh well.
Ok, so after buying my wife's SUV, I have about $7K for another Porsche. Can anybody find me a decent 996 for that? pffff... hahaha.
I know I know.. we're talking rust roller type for that amount. But even a steer can dream right?
Wow, there's hope! Thanks Bill!!! That's a nice one. You think they'd take $7 cash for it?
Prolly not. But hey, good to know my RL brothas have my back.
Early 2.5 and 2.7 Boxsters are rated as one of the best sports car buys right now and many are under $9,000; I had a 2.5L years ago, and it was a blast to drive hard. If you don't like convertibles, I have been looking at mid 2000s Caymans <$12,000 to use as a dedicated track car.
No need to buy a rusty 996 beater with a tiptronic if you want to enjoy driving another Porsche.
Yeah we bitch about pricing on the 996, but 986s can be had for a damn steal. Hell even a quality 987.1 is less than an average 996. Talk about lots of car for the money!
Of course if you get one you can't come around here anymore. We just can't have such riffraff running around here thinking they belong or something!
Just saw this one pop up locally. I bet this one could be had under 10k. Any thoughts?
https://denver.craigslist.org/cto/6201200209.html
Also now realizing my first post on this forum directly aligns with my long time user name, ha go figure.
http://showroom.auction123.com/merce...Craigslist|645
I was looking at 996s, but this 997 is calling me, although it says theres an accident on the carfax ... airbags did not deploy. Any of the detectives able to find anything out?
I like the car; the color is my favorite. His using 303 means the top, window, and interior should be in great condition and it looks like they are. 2002 is the last year for the plastic rear window and this one is incredibly clear. Looks like good maintenance. A responsible PO is an important first step to buying a used Porsche.
I never had an RMS or IMS issue, no leaks at all, with my 1998 986 and I drove it hard at track days. If he hasn't had an issue yet, conventional wisdom says you won't either. Car cover is a nice bonus. You're going to need tires soon, but that just means you can choose your own. In my mind, his price is fair at $9900; it would be a great buy under $9,000.
You should go drive a Boxster or two. Porsche did this a good job with this car. Enjoy! I'll be waiting to see what you get.
It's good to know I'm loved around these parts.
The boxster seems to be going for well less than $10,000 in the southeast and so it's definitely on the radar. However, it really hard to not get a 996. Those cars are really special and the fact that I can fit a couple of midgets in the back, is a win win. You just never know when you may have to taxi them to the next midget wrestling competition.
Plus, since the Becker stereos NEVER make a noise it's easier to hear when the IMS is about to crap out or when the chains are about to break "Cuda style". I'm also looking forward to the intermix... and those ticking sounds again. I thought it was pretty special that Porsche would give us a built-in Metronome free of charge.
Anyway, I'll keep me eyes open. Right now, my budget is $7,000 and climbing. Unfortunately, the better 996s are going for around $23K. Guess, I got a ways to go.
I wouldn't worry about it to much since it was "functional" and the air bags didn't deploy. One indicator is the owner quickly sells it, but in the this case, the original owner kept it almost two more years. The only negative is it's a tippy. Not a bad thing, but the manual is supreme. I would consider a tip if my wife really wanted to drive it, but in my case, she'd rather drive the SUV and ride in the Porsche.
Good news!
With a 986 you can get all that for about a third of the price. As a bonus you get a spare trunk (in case you can't get into the frunk) and you'll be able to pick up lots of side work as you'll be mistaken for a hairdresser daily.
Just keep saving, fall/winter is when you see prices drop of a little...
This one just popped up yesturday in my state
https://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/cto/6201357642.html
"A couple"??? THAT is how he describes it???
Actually for the cost of a good detailing, new (used) seats, and a headliner, it looks like it may be a pretty decent DD cosmetically speaking.
Of course you have to wonder about the mechanicals too given the state...
Heads up on this one- The guy
WILL NOT
allow a PPI. My buddy drove it this weekend for me and there were some red flags I questioned him about, he had bs answers. He then flipped out when I told him I wanted to get it taken in for a PPI and couldn't understand why a test drive wasn't sufficient enough.
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/cto/6141016166.html
Red flags on the car and red flags on the owner are reason enough to pass in my opinion. There are plenty of other good deals out there so don't settle on this one!
Yup! On that note, I'm looking for a clean manual C4/C4S in the $20K range. There was a beautiful, white C4 for $21K with 50K or so miles in CA owned by a knowledgeable enthusiast that I missed by a day. I know they are out there!
I'm sure he will. Such a shame to see a tramp of a car. Who in the world lets seats in a Porsche get so ripped up? Tell you a lot of about the mechanicals. This would be a money pit from the start.
In this case, this care would be my daily driver; the car is a Tiptronic S with sport chrono, my understanding is its better than the regular tip. Still not as good as a manual, but a good solution for everyday use!
2002 911 Porsche C4S Widebody 911 4S - 6sp - $24999 (Orlando, FL)
2 owner, minor accident paint only in 2008 left side, Florida car serviced in Miami and Orlando. Only very minor blemishes which would be unnoticeable with buff and wax. Car is very clean. No IMS to my knowledge - Rare failure on these cars check the numbers. 19" OEM porsche wheels - on pirelli p-zeros. List price is firm - Non negotiable
Just looked at this.
All four rotors are pitted
Tires are shot
Only one key
Turn signals don't return
AC warm
Bad shake in the steering wheel
Needs motor mounts
You can see the bodywork, orange peel, wow in the door, paint line in the door jamb.
and the price is firm.
My KSL (Kraigslist Salt Lake) find today:
Came with centers, lugs, and rennline valve caps too
One option my car didn't have that I lusted for. Good deal too.
This ad:
https://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/cto/6195115858.html
also says, "No IMS bearing noise or issues as this year came with 2 row bearings which are more durable." Sure....I have a bridge available for sale as well. He clearly knows a lot about these cars
This.
Get your piggy bank filled up to $12,000 and come November, you'll be in on all of those deals that the rest of us wished we had room in the garage for. It happens EVERY year.
We talked about this one a few weeks ago. It still shows available. It was sold on Renlist Marketplace a few months ago.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/cto/6169042802.html
I've shot a few emails back and forth with
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/6193110873.html
Super knowledgeable and nice, it's a contender.
The I've tried emailing the
silver C4s
but haven't heard anything.
This looks pretty good but used car dealer....
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/6166378216.html
I'm pretty sure that was my car. I was on my way to drop off for a PPI when I got your txt.
BTW, PPI went well. The Porsche specific shop who did the PPI was also interested in buying my car!
I will for sure miss the car, but it's going to a great owner who will take good care of it!
Here is an ME for sale, #91, looks pretty good.
2000 *PORSCHE* *911 Carrera 4 Millennium Edition* *1 OWNER, 36k Miles* - $33400
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/ctd/6206585696.html
LOL! Looks artificially inflated, and as if someone went nuts with a cheezy accessory add-on catalog. All the great lines somehow got violated....
That thing might be a hoot to drive, but visually comes across as the automotive version of one of the puffed-up "hans and franz" dudes from the old SNL skit...
Nice find... 1-owner, numbered car, all receipts, low miles, dual-row IMSB, outstanding condition.... One could almost justify the somewhat lofty price by US standards (especially when compared with Mill.Ed. asking prices in Europe).
I wonder what that car would sell for on Bring A Trailer?
Pristine example of the Millennium Ed. with a good history, but it has been on sale for months. Added to the M/E Registry back in March when it was for sale on AT.
They are. Code looks like 2011. But I have a fresh set of Toyo T1 on my stock wheels. Just nice to be able to fit them up, roll around for a bit, without having to do the tire-merry-go-round. I have so many gd wheel tire combos with summers and winters and tracks..
Here's a set of MY02 wheels in NJ, look like standard 18" NB fitment, $600:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...2/152613988639
Looks like some curb rash on a couple of them, but not bad. No idea how he's going to ship them for 8 bucks, though.
This one looked nice. I don't track prices on these, but it does not seem exorbitant for the low miles.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ngId=461025137
Probably worth saving so here is the cut and paste:
Everyone, meet Gretchen, she is base model 2001 911 Carrera from the 996 generation (1998~2004 model years). She is a blast to drive, has low mileage for a 16-year-old car, the MANUAL tranny shifts like silk, she sings like an opera when you mash the accelerator, the AC blows cold, and she stops on a dime (new rotors and pads a few thousand miles ago). I've owned her for 5.5 years and she has not been tracked or driven hard.
She is hands down the easiest car or truck I've ever maintained. She has been reliable, oil changes and other fluids are a breeze, and you would think a drivetrain stuffed into the rear would be hard to access, but its amazing how easy it is to access all the common maintenance items. Parts are readily available and while they are a bit more expensive than Chevy or Ford parts, they are not outrageous (shout out to PelicanParts.com).
The seats are comfy and the interior is clean. My wife and I are both tall and we have 2 small children and we drive around with all 4 of us. I wouldn't drive cross country like that, but a couple of hours is good family bonding time. Our 5year old daughter yelling "Go faster daddy, go faster" is priceless.
But Gretchen is a 16-year-old daily driver and she's not perfect. Fortunately for you, would be buyer, she is priced appropriately. There are some door dings and the right rear plastic bumper cover lost an argument with the side of my garage. A buffing and clearcoat spray will fix it. There is also an oil drip that puts a drop on my garage about once a week. This is problem fixed by a $5 rubber mat. I'll happily provide a list of the "niggles" to anyone serious enough to come check her out in person and I will take her to the mechanic of your choice for an inspection (must be in DFW area).
If you get to the point of checking the Carfax, there was an accident. I don't know what happened, but I was told by the second owner he heard the 1st owner had a fender bender. I've never seen any evidence of the damage and when I had the pre-purchase inspection done, they could find anything either.
Gretchen (and her 996 sisters) is without a doubt the best way to get into Porsche ownership for people not in the 1%. The reason for that is 2 words: Porsche Purists (PPs). You can quickly identify a PP, they make it a point to pronounce it "Porsh-ah", not "Porsh", they also ask hyper detailed questions about tire pressure and IMS bearings. They are also among the most annoying people in the population along with Personal Injury Attorneys on TV and Hipster douche-bags.
Fortunately for those of with more common sense that money, they have driven down the prices of 996s. If you have checked the Porsche 911 market, its crazy expensive for any other generation of the 911. The 996 was all about change for Porsche, and PPs abhor change. You see, Porsche had to change from air cooled engines to water cooled for several reasons. The PPs will tell you that despite improving reliability, power, drivability, emissions, and fuel economy, the water-cooled engines "ruined the character" of the car. This is bull crap. What makes them disdain this car and keeps the prices reasonable is the headlights. That's right, the headlights. Porsche went all out modernizing not just the power plant, but the styling too. They were also developing the 1st gen Boxster as the entry level Porsche. And they had the audacity change the iconic round headlights to be like the "plebian" Boxster (which by the way, cost as much as a Corvette at the time, still does). This made PPs very insecure that their upscale, benchmark 911 might be mistaken for a poor person's car. To prove that theory, the sales of the 997 generation went through the roof, and the biggest change was going back to round headlights.
I really feel for those Porsche Designers and Engineers. Germans are pretty stressed out by change to begin with and here they go and improve the 911 in practically every measurable way, and they still get it in the shorts from the PPs.
Now Porsche did make one mistake on the 996. And that's the Intermediate Shaft (IMS) bearing. It's a well-documented problem and there are after-market solutions. On the Carreras, Porsche had a batch of bad bearings that fail and grenade the engine (i.e. no way to fix, must replace the whole engine). Now the frequency of failures is blown way out of proportion by the PPs, the best estimates show it effected only 1~5% of the early model years. Gretchen is the final model of this engine iteration. Road & Track had an excellent write up on the 996 and the IMS issue a couple of years ago (Google "the-case-for-buying-a-porsche-996"). And just to be clear, Gretchen has NOT had the IMS upgrade. If I owned her long enough, I'd have the upgrade done when I replace the clutch.
So why am I selling this wonderful car? In short, life happens. My company has eliminated my position we are prepping for a potentially long job hunt and likely relocation. My only regret is that I never took her to the track.
Who Gretchen is for:
- Some who wants a 4seat sports car that goes like stink, handles like a dream, and costs less than 3 year old Miata/Camry/Accord
- Someone who wants to do their own maintenance
- You've owned a Mustang/Camaro/Corvette/BMW etc and want to see what the fuss is about 911s (those are good cars too, this is a great car)
- You like steering feel and handling
- Wants to daily drive one and doesn't fret over bug guts and parking dings
- You like (or don't care about) the fried egg headlights
Who Gretchen is NOT for:
- Anyone nervous about the IMS thing
- Anyone who demands complete maintenance records, I only have a few
- Anyone looking for a show quality car. This lady likes to be driven
- Anyone who demands round headlights and/or inefficient cooling technology
- The discerning Porsche Purist (but thanks for keeping 996 prices down!)
No trades. The price is negotiable, but don't waste our time with low ball offers. And please don't spam me with "why I am wrong" or "why the 996 stinks" emails because I'm not and it doesn't.
That thing went for top dollar! SOLD ON 7/10/17 FOR $23,996
Plus buyer pays 5% commission so $25,195
I paid a few months ago $23,995 for my 99 arena red C2 6 speed with 56k and its spotless inside and out with no issues or leaks, it does have hollow spoke wheels but stock other than that.
Yea....I would say that was very, very top dollar. I paid $22K almost 3 years ago for my 99 with aero package with 31K miles. It's in very nice shape, but the front end is sand blasted from spending its life in Reno, NV.
Maybe because of the high mileage. But that cab is being sold by one of Jake Raby's partners... that is, works with F6I to make the repairs to these cars before he puts them on the market.
http://stonegateautosales.com/?vehic...era-996-cabrio
That silver cab is a solid car...
To clarify, Stonegate Auto Sales is one of our customers... Just like any other customer. They seek out great cars with broken hearts, and we resuscitate them.
https://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/6214130600.html
$17k for a C2 with 92k mi and a salvage title... nice car but that price seems off.
Edit: And I just noticed that steering wheel...
Definitely not worth $17K with a salvage title. Prolly more like $12,000. Having the accident pictures or posting the VIN would be a start for this seller. Hopefully, it won't be another cover up or one of those... "It's the best Porsche in the state of _____". ha!
For reference... read back...
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...finds-104.html
I asked for the story and records about the salvage title. He said all that's available is what you can find through CarFax/AutoCheck. Not off to a good start.
I noticed the salvage title immediately... I offered him $11k, he said he's not willing to take less than $16k. I told him good luck
. He's a real estate agent, probably thinks he can sell water to a fish.
After I noticed the steering wheel I'm not sure I'm comfortable even at $11k. It speaks to the level of maintenance (or lack thereof). If it ever goes anywhere, I'm half expecting this to be the sort of seller who doesn't understand why I'd need a PPI.
Usually a big red flag for me is when the seller is vague, tries to cover up the true damage, or puts off information on another source like in your case. Usually, the seller knows the history better than anyone, but is fearful to be transparent about it because of the risk of hurting the sell. The CarFax will NOT give you a clear account of the accident. However, you can contact CarFax and they'll give you the police report case # and then you'll need to call the actual Police Dept that handled the wreck. They can give you a more detail summary of the accident and in some cases provide photos. Another problem with this ad is the seller didn't post the VIN number. People will say that it's to protect their privacy, but it's really to prevent people from searching salvage sites like CarPart. If you had the VIN, it would be interesting what would show up on a simple google search.
The car is not stock and has obvious cosmetic flaws; plus, it's a high mileage salvage vehicle. This car will not bring more than $15,000 IMO. I would move on and not look back.
If the seller refuses a PPI in a salvage case like this car... run, don't walk from the deal.
Pretty nice deal ($250) on a black/black hard top, if any of you Upstate NY/New England cab owners are looking for one:
http://westernmass.craigslist.org/pts/6173676853.html
Ad states that it has some scratches, but at this price it might be worth a look.
In my experience this never happens, police departments protect these records like they're HIPPA information. It's actually quite frustrating because this information is freely available to insurance companies and is, in theory, supposed to be a part of the public record.
Already done. He hasn't refused to offer a PPI, but unless he comes down a lot further on the price, any further communication is wasted. I'll keep waiting for a reasonably priced, higher mileage black 911. I should have bought the 185k one I looked at earlier this year (for $11k)... but I didn't and you live you learn. I'm sure another opportunity will come up soon enough.
Also: Kudos on properly formatting a response with a segmented quote!
Check this out peeps...
This one LOWERED Porsche. Can't imagine the Cayman being any fun to drive at this point...
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/6205738880.html
This one is in my town. It's a beauty and the guy had the Solution installed. I'm not sure he'll get $33K for a C4S with that many miles, but it's really nice to see in person. The white ones are rare.
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/cto/6214017428.html
I agree with you. It's a stretch to grab that when auction prices for low miles C4S are around $25,000. I think he's trying to recoup the money he spent for Flat 6 Innovations to install the IMS solution. But as the ol' adage goes... It's not what you put in it, but what you can get out of it that matters.
Still, I've seen this car travel to Athens GA many times and such a beautiful thing in white....but especially those head lights... wow... those iconic headlights... who could miss them? ha!
I like the idea of having a hard top for a convertible but for some reason the looks of this hard top just doesn't quite look right to me. It's significantly different from a coupe.
related question - if I have a C4 cab will a hard top like this go right on top or do I actually have to permanently remove the soft top in order to utilize a hard top?
Not a Craigslist find, but a 40th anniversary just popped up at one of my local dealers. No pics yet...
https://www.porscheofnorthhouston.co...AA29954S621758
Yes, it is quite different. Clearly one of those you-like-it-or-you-don't kind of deals. Makes the cab into a different -- much quieter -- car. With the hard top on, I can actually make and receive phone calls, not that I ever want to.
Your soft top is there the whole time, just lowered to get it out of the way.
You lower the soft top; align the tabs on the front of the hardtop to the corresponding points above the windshield; align the posts on the hard top to the receivers above and outboard of the rear seats; tighten the posts to the locking position; and close the front latch near the dome light. With a hoist or a helper, it takes less time to do it than it does to describe the process.
The hard top only weighs about 75 pounds, but is ungainly to handle by yourself. There are some differences in hardware, but your car probably has the necessary receivers if it is a 996.1, or a 996.2 ordered without the "hard top delete" option. There's much more information on hard tops available in other threads.
Unfortunately I do not own a 911 cab to answer your question but maybe an expert on this subject can chime in and enlighten us.
edit: looks KoB just did.
Shameless self promotion of my 2000 Jaguar XJR that just came up on BringATrailer.com:
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/2000-jaguar-xjr-2/
Go show it some love in the comments section for me fellas!
Looks like someone's misfortune could be someone else's good fortune.
"Overheated Engine", I take it that means it needs a new engine. Appears to be from
Copart possibly based on the writing on the windshield and the folded up lot number sticker you can see on the dash board. If anyone is interested I can go check it out for them.
Porsche carrera
https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/pts/6215303246.html
From a rebuilding standpoint... Too much money for what you get and condition. Basically, the car was wrecked (i.e. rear end collision), insurance totaled it, dismantler removed the engine for resale, and is selling the remaining stuff for more than the whole car was purchased from the insurance company. Common "junk yard flip". Can't blame them, they make lots of money doing it every day. However, the driver side glass was broken thereby allowing moisture into the cabin during storage. That could lead to all kinds of electrical problems. There's no telling what else has been removed from the car.
Hi,
can somebody run a carfax on a '02 C2 convertible (
WP0CA29962S652667
)?
A friend of mine is thinking of buying it but knows nothing about it's history (the seller is an octagenarian who owned it for like 3 years but doesn seem to have any receipts).
It's said to be accident-free, but he's not sure about that, he only has 2 cell phone pics so far:
I'm sure here are people who have unlimited access to carfax - I wasn't looking for somebody to spend their money for someone else...
And why should I refer to a friend if I'd be the potential buyer?
Oh, you understand there is no such thing as a free ride. Even to get CarFax's so called 60 day "unlimited" search costs someone $70.00. Dealerships pay CarFax annual fees to the tune of $15,000+ to get the same feature.
You remind me of those guys that used to hang out around newspaper vending machines hoping some fool would let them grab a "free" newspaper. Guy tried that on my grandfather (WWII vet) and he slammed his hand in the newspaper vending machine door. Walked away shaking his bruised fingers.
I wouldn't mind running a VIN if I'd had a 60 day unlimited account - but I'm not searching at the moment, so I was looking for somebody who has such a kind of access...
37.95 is imho a bit much for a single report.
I'm not sure if I get you correctly - that guy asked your grandfather for the newspaper when your grandpa no longer had a need for it and your grandpa slammed his hands?
I'm just looking for a fellow RL'er to help - if that's not you, I'm ok with that (and I've seen such request before and people got help)...
ugh, no, people hang out around the paper vending machines (see picture) hoping that a person that purchases a newspaper will let them get one out (without paying) of the newspaper vending machine. Comprende?
You may think it's a noble service, but technically it's illegal to buy the 60-day unlimited access from Carfax and distribute the reports for other people.
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I see you're a long time member. Take a look at the 996 Forum guidelines, regarding Rennlist support for Carfax TOS. Pretty common these days, I think, as many online forums now have corporate owners.
b3 -- I like your granddad's approach!
I actually witnessed it happen as a kid. He looked the guy straight in the eyes and said, "You'll pay for the paper just like everyone else!" Guy didn't say anything, just turned and walked away shaking his hands trying to relieve some of the pain. hahaha
Hi guys, I'm new to Rennlist, have been on Pelican on and off over the years, but recently started searching for a 996 since the air cooled cars have really taken off on price. I have a disassembled 912 in the basement that probably won't see the open road for several years. The 996 seems to be a tremendous value (the new 74 -76 2.7L), and something I can drive and enjoy today! Wanted to know if anyone has looked at this car, or know anything about it? I'm interested, but price seems low and I'm located in NJ, so no chance of seeing it in person.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...6379/overview/
Here's an example of a high mileage 996.. The price is incredible, these things are dropping in prices like flies! Yes I know it's from a small dealers and there's usually an untold stories behind their cars. Of course always do a thorough PPI when you buy from any person or place.
https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/6207106379.html
VitaminC, Tip or 6spd? Can't say I have a strong preference one way or another. Just looking for a sold daily driver. I can see pluses to both, but with a Tip my wife is likely to drive it, which could mean we get a second Porsche if she likes it.
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Hey Man, this looks like a nice P-Car, but bare in mind is the one fewest optioned 996s I've seen.
For example,
1. Non-projector (i.e. optic lens) headlights
2. base 17" wheels
3. no sports exhaust
4. no PSM
5. base non-HiFi (i.e. Cassette) stereo system
Of course, it's tiptronic which would be a great daily driver, but maybe not the best if you plan to resell it in a few years. Most of the folks want manual tranny. But I'd also consider it cause my wife doesn't like to fool with manual anymore.
Overall, a clear '99 but just know what you're getting before making the plunge.
Wow, I have seen comments on sagging exhaust tips but this seems to be the lowest hanging engine I have ever seen! Could use some new engine mounts. Just makes you wonder about the state of maintenance of the rest of the car... You should be able to find some fresher looking cars around your neck of the woods.
I am very curious about the New Haven CT 996. Not that I am in the market but... It is close to me...
Why did it sit for two years?
It seems odd they mention that you can't even buy a "rebuildable" car at this price.
At $11,000 that leaves a good amount of money to get it running, do the IMS/RMS, clutch, fluids flush, etc... Unless you get into major issues with the motor. Again, why has it not been driven in two years?
https://newhaven.craigslist.org/cto/...220521883.html
Rest assurred it didn't sit for two years because he loves his benz so much. And rest assurred two years sitting has made whatever caused it to be parked worse. So unless the owners brings it back to running condition and you thoroughly inspect it prior to purchase, to me this a dangerous buy.
also I was shopping starting in February and bought at the end of March. A lot of cars I saw are still for sale now. These cars are sitting in dealer lots too long and that makes buying from an enthusiast that takes care of maintenance and other issues far more valuable.
That said had had more of the cars I originally looked at been priced what they are today, I'd probably have driven more of them and made offers. It's sad because I missed out on a millennium edition and they probably missed a great shot at a sale as a result..... car is still for sale but for about 10% less now. But has sitting 4 or 5 more months helped?
This isn't my taste, IMHO it is quite ugly and useles.. Especially for $69,950
2002 Porsche 911 Carrera Convertible - WICKED WIDEBODY WICKED-7 - $69950 (MESA, ARIZONA)
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/...218202341.html
And people say I'm crazy for wanting to mod my 996. I guarantee I will have a better looking, faster, and more valuable car when I'm done for less when compared to that green machine.
Possible good buy, but can't get the owner to return my email. I'm probably a little late. Has anyone else gone to see it?
https://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/...203447647.html
Found this north of Seattle
https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/6203098795.html
I called and the story is that it is a theft recovery written off by Insurance and that it is in perfect condition. The current seller just bought it to flip it and has zero knowledge or understanding about the car. My question is, Why would an Insurance Company total a perfectly good car just because it was stolen?
A mechanical issue seems most likely, but it's always worth asking. I know a guy whose Lotus sat for an entire driving season while he worked through knee problems.
Sometimes it's the car, sometimes it's the owner.
Answer: Like others have mentioned... Because, more than likely, the insurance company paid off the owner for the car. Most insurance companies will require a sufficient amount of time for law enforcement to recover the car. Usually 30 - 60 days, if the car is not recovered, then the owner is offered a payout. Then, if the car is ever recovered, the owner gets first opportunity to buy back the car. In the case of this white Carrera, the owner probably decided against buying it back. Why? More than likely, they used the money to buy another Porsche or bought something else. Insurance companies don't like to hold onto cars, and so they'll sell them locally or at auction for pennies on the dollar. I'm willing to bet you they sold that car to the current owner for about the same as the current DMV value which is in $10K range. The current DMV value on my 03 Cab was only $11K.
I was just over there last friday to try and pick up some parts, one of the staff wasn't very nice but I know little else of that dealership. At least good to know this lasted 129k miles without major fail
the FSI-built 3.6L 1999 appears to still be for sale, asking price $29,500
Negotiate to 27,500 and walk away a happy man imo. 15k on the build, 57k on the chassis.
Not a totally bad deal considering the condition and miles. However, I've seen a few C4S (in this condition) for under $20,000 in the last 6 months. In fact, there was a low miles (under 50K miles) beautiful speed yellow C4S at a Porsche dealership for $22,900 in Cali. That was a crazy good deal. It looked brand new. If I had the money, I would have scooped it up. Kinda crazy what depreciation is doing to these cars. This is a car that a few years ago was commanding $35K+, but I guess with the poor reputation of the motor has caused it to depreciate. I looked up auction prices on this car and it seems a "fair" condition C4S will sell for about $17,500 on average. That's auction prices. Heck, I saw a 996 Turbo that was very nice go for $27,000 at a Barrett-Jackson auction. I would say it was in excellent condition and sure it would hit above $30K, but it didn't. Sadly, the auctioneer mentioned the hated "fried egg" headlights and IMS problems with the 996, but clarified that the Turbo had a different engine design. Oh well.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...7927/overview/
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...7350/overview/
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=149936904
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=173199044
I can't believe that ME hasn't sold... On BaT I think it would easily fetch around $25k.
Here's a salvage title car in my neck of the woods for sale, cheap... (no affiliation)
https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto...218282029.html
I would've bought the ME car if it were a bit more favorably priced. I flew to Denver instead for 18k. I think it's a solid deal, but I'm a cheap b*****d.
Wow... that would be a good snag if someone didn't care about resell value. I would really want the seller to show some real evidence that is was "FIXED RIGHT". Embellishments are easy to toss around in a car sell, but evidence to back a seller's claims are usually non-existent.
Jaetee, please go by this guy's house and explain that in this day and time, there is no need to write in ALL CAPS!
Looks like he is shouting at us!
I just scooped this for $24k, not the best price, but I was having trouble getting sellers to agree to a PPI to ones I was interested in out of state. I also really wanted Lapis Blue.
88k
Within the past 5k miles, LNengineering oil fed IMS, RMS & Clutch
Brand new tires
6 speed
Graphite gray, not my first choice but decent.
Passed a PPI with flying colors, needs front pads/rotors soon and a cv boot.
I wasn't going to nitpick over a few grand as I love the car and will likely hold on it to more than a few years.
Where did you find this beauty? In UT? Dealership, private sale,?
Actually $24K is a pretty darn good deal considering all the preventive maintenance that was done on the car... especially the IMS replacement.
This 996 was on CL earlier in the year for $13.5k from another seller. I ran into the current owner at a CVS store and struck up conversation. He told me he traded a 370z for it and wanted to drive it around for a while. He was a pretty big guy and said he would probably end up selling it soon, so I guess he's true to his word.
The blurry pics bother me more than the all-caps. At the time I saw the car, it was running great and did not appear to have any problems, but he was on his way into the store and I was on my way out and the conversation was very fast and somewhat superficial. Seller is not a p-car guy, he was just curios about 911's and wanted to get rid of that Z-car so this killed two birds with one stone for him. Interesting he's asking $1k less than the last guy right off the bat. Leads me to think he might have made some discovery he didn' tlike.
I like the looks of the C4S but not a fan of AWD. I've read there's mods to make it RWD which is pretty cool. Considering it has 88K miles I think $24k is a fair price.
BAT updated the search feature today and now has sales history for selected models. It's a nice way to see the sales history over time. 996 prices seem to be holding pretty steady.
http://bringatrailer.com/porsche/996/
I'm either a genius or insane. I saw this post and bought this one. Came in on the transport last night and seems to be exactly as represented. Thanks
billh1963
(I think.) I'm a 928 guy and apparently now a 911 guy too.
I think you paid a good, low, price for a cool cabriolet that will be the most fun you can have in a sports car for less than 20k. It's not my style, but I think you're pretty on-the-ball. Reminds me of a 1967 Austin-Healey 3000 I bought for $1500 in college and drove for a couple of summers. It was a blast, ran great, but was a little rougher looking until I painted it. Lost a lot of character when it came out of red primer.
Nope, same motor in the NA cars. There are always minor changes, but it's the same block and mechanical design. Porsche tends to upgrade bodies with .1 models and drivetrains with .2 models. So, the 996.2 drivetrain carried through the 997.1 until the 997.2 models came out in 2009.
Some 2005 997 bodied cars have the m96 motor from what I understand. Later 997.1 cars had the m97 engine, with a generally improved IMS bearing (large 1 row that's more durable than the single row m96 bearing, but still should be treated as a wear part imo as failures continue to occur). The m97 also has slightly improved cooling design over the m96 that *should* reduce some related issues. There are some nuggets out there to give better detail than I recall, but they can be tricky to find.
Base on the research I have found, the 997.2 with the DFI engine no longer has the IMSB. However, the performance gain is not significant to justify the price different with the 997.1. What I couldn't find was any info on the major difference between the 996.2 and 997.1 engine. Thanks for your feedback.
Well done. I'm looking at an '03 with 28k miles. Blk/Blk. It's weird that I wish it had more miles. I doubt the IMS has been addressed with mileage that low. It's at a non-Porsche dealer, so I can probably get it down a few thousand to help with the 5K bill that is a new clutch/IMS/RMS/AOS and clutch.
There is an 02 C2 locally that has IMS/Clutch in the last 10k miles. Silver/blk. I'm a sucker for hips and ***, though....
https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/c...238408455.html
I called on this one and unfortunately no one told the owner about the potential IMS problems, and it failed with great prejudice.
https://www.ksl.com/auto/listing/3916401?ad_cid=23
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https://austin.craigslist.org/cto/d/...231033353.html
If I had the funds, I would buy this one even though I already found my 996 C4. I haven't seen one that seems to be as much of a "perfect used 996" as this one. IMS done, records, low mileage but not too low, a ton of new stuff on it- some of it expensive upgrade items, 3rd radiator, Low temp stat, owned by a PCA member, and less than $20k. Pretty amazing. Have already emailed it out to some friends.
D.
No affiliation btw.
1999 Porsche 911 Carrera 4, manual transmission, black and tan. 60k miles. New headlights, aftermarket head unit with bluetooth and navigation, suede instrument panel cover, and aftermarket wheels that were fitted by the dealer before I bought it. Tires are in good shape with plenty of rubber left, and it is running a center radiator and a lower temp thermostat to keep engine temperatures down in the Texas summer. The engine is stock. All maintenance is up to date and it was inspected less than a month ago by German Auto Center, but it will be due for it's next oil change with Porsche approved Mobil 1 5w-50 (I change at 5k or every 6 months) at 62k or in September, whichever comes first. Everything works. The car comes with the owner's manual, maintenance records, and 2 sets of keys.
I purchased the car from Porsche Central Austin about 2 years ago when my wife and I thought it would be just the two of us. I'm thrilled to say we have a baby daughter on the way now, so our priorities have changed a bit. These days, I drive the car about once a week to keep things lubricated, so the car hasn't just been sitting unused. I'm a PCA member, am a big fan of Porsche and these cars, and would like to see it go to someone who will enjoy it as much as I have. Feel free to email or text with questions.
Definitely high, but why not? If he's in no hurry to sell, it's not a bad strategy.
Maybe somebody who doesn't know better pays the full $28k. Maybe they haggle him down to 22 and go away happy. Either way he's ahead of the game ... this looks like a pretty nice car, but it's tough to imagine it going for much more than $20k or so.
I do recognize this one, he was the guy on this forum that made and sold the front headlight covers to make it look more like the 997. This car looks like a C2 with turbo front bumpers. The air inlets doesn't look right for some reason.
Why would you dump a bunch of time and money into a car and turn around and sell it? Nice looking car, but you rarely get back what you put into it...Maybe the trim rings didn't do it for him and he wants a 997?
this is what dreams are made of, the kind of dreams where you get run over repeatedly in a tractor..
https://monterey.craigslist.org/cto/...197577667.html
C4S for $20,000. Being sold by a Porsche dealer, so we should assume that everything is in good workable condition. Slightly higher miles, but there are often C4S listed for much higher prices so this might interest someone.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...modelCode1=911
Hard to tell. But with Jake being one of the voices stating that the '99 is the one to have in terms of robustness of the drivetrain, I suspect their values could make an upswing sometime down the road.
What would y'all say about this one???
Seller bought a salvage titled '99 and supposedly put "$30,000" in it and now wants to sell it for only $16,499. Oh, maybe it's the high mileage? hahaha yep, notice it has 1.5 million miles on it.
"Avid Porsche owner" buys a salvage title Tip 996 and puts 30 large into it? Maybe there's a briefcase of cash, a Patek Philippe chronograph, or a large quantity of recreational pharmaceuticals in the frunk. Otherwise, this one spikes the BS meter.
I don't know the actual truth in that but what I do know is the 996.1 is it has the old vario cam with the chain pad that needs to be replace after certain mileage. It requires engine out and taken apart to get to it. It also has the smaller displacement 3.4L. This alone makes me want to lean towards the 996.2.
I think it depends how you look at the car. I look at it as an almost 20 year old car. At such age, I plan for some major maintenance every 5 years or so, which then could include taking the engine out. Not a big deal.
As I understood, the early cars apparently have a more solid feel as if the initial build quality is higher then when volumes really started to take off (2000/2001). This is what drives the 99 statement. And the IMS bearing story, and a story on a fire in the engine manufacturing facility (or foundry, don't know the exact details). 3.4 versus 3.6? 20HP extra but also an extra 50kgs of weight. And a somewhat higher risk on bore-scoring. I don't think there is a "better" car; It is up to you what you like best. And forget about any value appreciation. It will be more then offset by money sunk into the car for maintenance. But who cares as long as you enjoy the ride!
No affiliation... This seller has sold a lot of 996's and has a pretty tidy looking operation. This red and savannah '99 c2 Cabriolet is sure to dust up some skirts around here... Looks like it could be one of the earlier build dates.
https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/ctd...217448267.html
EDIT: I just did a VIN search and see it's been sold to a car lot, who is trying to make a quick flip... Same car is on ebay, with IMS done and hard top:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-Porsche...VZfjoc&vxp=mtr
Too far away for me to rennfax, but someone here needs to look into this car!
That's a great deal! Wonder what type of IMS was installed? Stil,l the devil is in the details... and prolly in the engine if not checked out properly.
LOL! I love the fundraiser thermostat! Did you look at the write up on ebay by the new seller of that car? Supposedly he had it dyno'd and it's putting down 317 rwhp! Has LN retrofit sticker as well.
RE: Fundraiser - hahaha, you like that? Thought it would be a good reminder of where I'm at... heck, maybe somebody will want to donate? hehe
The car looks very nice, especially for the price. I'm interested in coupes this time around. But if the convertible is your thing, then this would be one to consider.
However, you have to ask yourself. This is a '99 model that had the dual-row IMS and so why would someone replace it? Was there some tell-tale signs of it failing, like blood in your urine? Don't really know. Several hands have been on this one, but at only $12,900, it would be worth serious consideration. Especially if you pay cash and can get the car for much less. Who knows.
Cheerios!
That's a great color combo, plus the LSD, litronic lights, aero kit and sport classic wheels make this a pretty nice package.
No interior pics is concerning, but the exterior looks good for the miles.
Yes, you're right the 997.2 DFI engine does not have an intermediate shaft. Overall, I understand your position, but disagree with your value statement.
In my case, and IMHO:
When I looked for and bought my 997.2 C4S, I didn't think there was enough of a difference between the 996.2, which I owned until 2009, and the 997.1 to justify the price difference; it's essentially just a re-body. So, starting last year, I looked for a 997.2 for the same reasons I looked for a 996.2 last time around.
I bought a 2009 997.2 C4S because '09s are priced lower even though they are the same as '10s and '11s. 385 hp is a huge difference from 320 hp in my 996.2, and the suspension bits in the .2 S cars are a substantial upgrade. Admittedly, I paid $10 - $12K more than a comparably equipped 997.1, but I had the money to spend and feel the price difference will hold in the car's value. I believe the all new 997.2 DFI motor, 30-35 more hp (than the 997.1 motors), suspension upgrades, PSM and PASM, satellite nav, bluetooth, and the new stereo head unit, are worth 20% of the higher purchase price. I have read commentary and had feedback from Porsche owners who say the 997.2 S is the epitome of 911 sports cars before the 991 ushered in the grand touring 911.
All in all, I think any 997.2, especially the 3.8 is worth the additional funds required for the driving experience, the maintenance potential, and the long-term value proposition. 3.8 is one of the largest NA motors that will probably ever go into a 911. The new cars will be smaller displacement turbos, setting aside the GT3 4.0 which is in a class by itself.
I think if I hadn't had the funds for the car I bought, I might would have bought another 996.2, probably a C4S. My 996 C2 was an awesome car and I wouldn't pay much extra just to have 997 headlamps.
IMHO
The best of all models are the .2 cars. That's when Porsche has all the latest goodies in that model's body style.
Potentially a pretty hot deal on a set of 18" Sport Classic wheels, especially if you're on Long Island. $300 opening bid, $150 shipping:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-996-...I/253108485465
If I didn't have too many wheels already I'd be all over these.
This is my first post. I know I still have a lot to learn about p-cars.
Here are a couple interesting fixer-upper 996s.
https://houston.craigslist.org/cto/d...271090681.html
Being in Houston, I hope this owner is ok /\
https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d...253149497.html
This one looks rough but as a point of discussion, if anyone knows, what would need to be done for the door electronics to work again? (rain damage) He is suggesting the locking mechanism needs to be rebuilt. Could it be as simple as a fuse?
Also, I know paint shop rates vary widely depending on the quality (time) of the work. Any body want to throw some numbers out there on what these would cost to have resprayed? At least you could paint the hard top to match at the same time.
Based on the fact that these cars have been posted for a while, I think it's fair to say that their asking prices might be on the optimistic side. Agree or disagree?
Cheers - thanks everyone, this site is great, and has been really helpful in fueling my interest in looking for a 996.
Good luck with your search! I just bought my car this spring, and the hunt is half the fun. Or maybe 30%, these cars are pretty fun to drive.
In any case, when I see cars with clear coat problems, or mismatched tops, or even the steering wheel discolored, I think that the owner didn't care very much. He just wanted to hop in and drive, and he took shortcuts or ignored little issues. I think it indicates how well he took care of all things you need him to have taken care of, like oil changes. For example, why doesn't the guy with the mismatched top just fix the windows? That has to suck, not being able to open and close the windows. That would bug the living hell out of me. But this guy, he just doesn't care.
All that said, the lack of maintenance is reflected in the price. What is not reflected though, is the issues the car may have due to a lack of maintenance.
Thanks Mike, that's some good perspective. I knew to stay away from these, but that makes a lot of sense. It seems like the guy with the window problem was spread too thin and then something unfortunate happened and now he is needs to sell.
I'm going to South Florida for business next week, so you always have to check Craigslist, don't you?
This is a pretty cool, unique 2002 with a taco wing, aero rocker panels....
Appears to be lowered, has LN IMS bearing completed, don't know what front end it is....but I like the look of everything!
https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/ctd...264658580.html
$26.9K for a 69K mile car.
That's just a base front bumper. Needs the GT3 front aero bumper to complete the look. From the side, you'll notice the nose looks little high compared to the side skirts. IMHO, $27,000 is too high for a 2002 Carrera; however, if the LN IMS is the IMS solution and was handled by a certified shop, then it's worth every penny of $27K.
Didn't the side skirts change in '03? I've seen quite a few mkII cars with the older style side skirts. And, didn't the taco wing carry over to the MkII as well? I'm not positive.
https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/ctd...296373261.html
Seller is not far from me..., willing to go do a rennfax. Would be curious about the date code on this one.
and for the bigger budget and those looking for a supercharged air cooled car, check this out:
https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto...278059012.html
And....
https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto...285173937.html
And the "say what?" award of the day goes to this one....
https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto...283741751.html
This one looks quite clean if someone is looking for an engine project car, might go down as low as $5k ? from the rear suspension height looks like the busted motor is still in it so some parts might be salvageable to offset cost of a another motor
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto...299960951.html
I don't see anything wrong with it. Price seems fair for what it is and guy doesn't want to put his phone number on which is reasonable. Could be a nice buy for someone.
Seems a little on the low side yeah, but not an indicator of anything. It's a buyer/seller market right now, some pull a premium and some can be found on the lower end.
Alas, buyer beware from anyone, CL or dealership alike.
Hard to tell from the pics, but it looks like Mirage. Maybe I should just go buy this car ... two Mirage 996's would make me the undisputed King of Beige.
Actually, not a bad price if it checks out ... too bad the IMSB was replaced.
Again, not a bad looking car if it checks out. I remember a car like this for sale a few years back from the indy shop (now closed) where I bought my car. I wonder if it's the same car ... unlike SoCal, I don't think there are that many Guards Red 996.1's around here.
Simple facts. Note I specified 'low mileage' as a qualifier, not high miles, no-records beaters. A local dealer has been buying up, servicing, and selling low mile 996s as fast as they can find them. And look at how many have been listed on BAT lately. It's a simple factor of demand.
To be clear, all I'm saying is that a nice, under 100K 996.2 has gone from high teens to low twenties. I'm not saying they are suddenly valuable, or even good investments. But the stigma is fading and demand is high. Prices are rising for good 996s - whether the Rennlist 996 discussion board likes it or not.
Here's the dealership I referenced. Note the 'sold' Porsche listings.
http://www.europeanperformancesales....11&MaxPrice=-1
Hi RPM... I appreciate your enthusiasm and optimism for the Porsche 996. I used to feel like you do about their potential, but the reality is that any 996 with the M96 motor is continuing to depreciate. The ones that hold their value are the Mezger based models like the GT3, Turbo, etc. I'm afraid the poor reputation of the M96 motor has tarnished the resell on these vehicles.
Here's a 5-year graph of the 2002 base Carrera. Then, look at the lower graph on the GT3. What difference do you notice???
I'll try his one more time... I never said 'all 996s.' I specifically said low mileage 996s (under 100, preferably 80k) in good condition are dropping in availablily and rising in value.
And I see the Hagerty trend lines and simply ask, how many data points do they have?
We all heard you loud and clear Ralph. We appreciate your enthusiasm, but I respectfully disagree. I wish it weren't true, but if you look at the graph again, you'll notice even concours grade 996 Carreras have dipped in value. Your average 996 Carreras (like what you speak about), have dropped more than $2,500 on average in the last 5 year period.
No reason to get offended because some of us have a different opinion on the subject.
I thought I remember seeing this dealership. Here's a decent example of what I'm saying. Here is a nice, low miles (68K) base mk1 Carrera for $19,999 that's been sitting on their lot for more than 6 months, maybe longer. (see "days on CarGurus") Not exactly "selling low mile 996s as fast as they can find them". IMHO, it's mostly wishful thinking IMHO.
These are quarterly sales numbers. If you're concerned about the reliability of these numbers and are skeptical of their appraisal data, start here...
https://www.hagerty.com/valuationtools/about-our-prices
https://www.hagerty.com/valuationtools/price-guides
Here's market information on German collectable cars. I'm afraid the 996 doesn't make the cut.
https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuati...n_Collectibles
If you still not satisfied, contact them direct...
[phone removed]
They're a very retable company IMHO.
All the best!
Ralph,
As much as I like my 996 and as much as I wish it were true, the 996 is still depreciating. With the exception of GT3's and Turbo's, it's a mass-produced, production used car. There are always the occasional outliers and exceptions , but they're just not appreciating. Hopefully they're close to the bottom of the depreciation curve, but I wouldn't be surprised to see several more years of gradual depreciation.
Drive them and enjoy them!
I wouldn't mind keeping the Aero car miles down and grab another MK1 for under $20k....,
Do I have a disease now? Clearly the more intellectual choice would be get rid of both and get a 997.2
This is a nice example
Link
FWIW, I just picked up my first Porsche, an aero kit MKI for $12,000. It's got a highly optioned red leather interior with carbon bits, but 162k miles. I feel like I did ok.
Wow... Only $12,000 for a aero mk1? That's crazy... even with the miles. Do you know the service history regarding the IMS, AOS, any rebuilds, etc?
Congratulations!!!!
Thanks. I have a rough idea of the service history via car fax, and the third owner was a RL member. He said he replaced the original water pump at ~148k. I assume the car still has the original IMS, but I don't know for sure. I changed the oil this weekend and she's running nicely, but based on forum feedback I have a bad flywheel that needs replacing. At that time I will check out the IMS and see what the status is. If it's the original, I would hesitate to swap it out since it's made it this far in life. I know that goes against common sense though.
Here is my engine analysis post
link
Couple of pics:
Hi guys -
Looking to pull the trigger soon on a nice 996 and keep coming back to this one. Looks to be in stellar condition but the old adage of too good to be true pops into my head.
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=184481609
Positives
Engine replacement (will asks for more information, any specifics you'd ask?)
Reupholstered and clean interior (question, was this a refreshing or was it covering something else up?)
Glass top
Negatives
No hard top (should i ask for a discount?)
Will obviously get a PPI done before pulling the trigger but wanted to get some thoughts from the rennlist brain trust
on potential other things to inquire about.
Happy Motoring!
Scott
Looks like a good price with a new motor. Would want to know how many miles are on it, but seems like a deal. Car does look really good. Get a PPI and offer 13k. At that price with a reman engine, seems like a no brainer.
Good luck!
Though, this could be interesting.
https://www.copart.com/lot/38010017
My thoughts....
1. Great idea to get a PPI!
2. Remember, regardless of the engine swap it's still 152K miles car. Other wear items will show their butts!
3. Make yourself a running list of things that will need to be replaced from the information provided on the PPI report. As a general rule of thumb, if the IMS hasn't been replaced, then you'll be looking at $5,000+ roughly to get it up to spec. Remember, this is no longer the dual row IMS car since the engine was replaced at 65,000 miles.
4. You'll also want to budget for other wear items when replacing the IMS - clutch, AOS, etc.
5. Make sure you check the convertible top. Check every aspect of that thing! They are crazy expensive to replace. Ask me how I know.
Overall, this is nice example of a well cared for (one owner) 996 cabriolet. Should give you plenty of years of fun! And, the price is right!
While I don't think that ALL of them are appreciating, go find a 99-04 coupe with less than 30k on the clock. There are under ten in the country on car gurus and all of them are asking beyond 30k. I realize this is asking price, but I bought an excellent+ (by Haggerty's definition) earlier this year for a lot less with 19k on the clock. I'm taking your advice though, it's no longer a sub 20,000 mile example. It just doesn't make sense why these cars would depreciate any further. Simple logic would and economics would say different. For those who want a Porsche, the choices of low mileage examples are disappearing through attrition. There is no other choice, new are 100k, 993's are beyond 50, so are most nice 997's. While I don't see the 996 topping either of these, there is room on the upside. In another year or two I believe we will see sub 30,000 mile excellent examples fetching 40k. It's not 993 money, but it's appreciation. Taking a look further down the road the 997 would have to lead appreciation for the number to go any higher.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...1-carrera-4-4/
'99 C4 coupe, 77k miles, LN IMSB, some service history. Maybe needs window regulators, but doesn't look bad otherwise. Sold for 15.5k ... odds are somebody got a solid deal on this one.
^^Show cars are not my thing, but this one may be a little over priced given the mileage. Regardless of all of the mods and crazy logo rap, when it boils down, it's still a mk1 Carrera 4 with 114K miles.
Sure looks like it.
Those doors look like a mechanical failure waiting to happen. As for the graphics, I'm not so sure I'd want to pay well above market to drive an ad for somebody else's business. Judging from the length of time this motorized turd has been up for sale, I may not be alone in that regard.
I owned this car for a little while, let me know if you have any questions. I know what they paid for the car
It has a new clutch and RMS. Porsche mechanic says IMS looked good when we replaced the clutch and RMS. Was owned by my father, he traded it in on a E350. Could probably get all the service records for it while we owned it. I think he also still has the spare tire.....
I'm completely agree. I don't understand why people wanna turn just any car into lambo-door-wannabe. Those kits are so impractical and really not the the true scissor Lamborghini style. To work, they have to swing out, then up.
Not sure if this is a true Carrera 4 or 2WD conversion or something else. Jimmy makes a valid point with the spare tire C2 looking frunk. But will a C2 spare still fit in a C4 frunk? If I got this car, the first thing I'd do is removed all the vinyl graphics, put 18" turbo twist back on the car (don't like the turbo 19" chromed wheels), and put litronics on the front.
But who know if what's been done to this car.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...911-carrera-5/
Pretty nice MkII Carrera with an awesome color combination. IMS, RMS, clutch done and cam deviation well within spec. Should be a good buy for someone if it can be scooped up for less than $20k
Great exterior color -- personally, I've never been a fan of the gray interior. IMSB/RMS/clutch is all good, but my guess is that the miles and maybe that intake kit keep the price down.
It's the miles which hurt this sell. Although the car had the IMS replaced in 2014 with a single row LN retrofit at 104K miles, the owner has put more than 22,340 miles on the car since then. The single row LN bearing is good for 25K miles. Of course, you could go over, but again, it doesn't help the sell in my opinion. Now on the other hand, had the owner requested the IMS solution be installed, then that would have been a game changer. Still, it's a nice car and given the recent service, it might hit in the $23K - $25 range. We'll see.
Nice looker at a decent price:
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto...285166729.html
Possibly one of the highest priced 996's I've seen - only 8k miles:
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto...283905463.html
'99 coupe, 80k miles, LSD. Goes for $18k on BaT -- sees like the LSD is definitely worth somewhat of a premium:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...11-carrera-11/
Boy I'd be all over that if it had lower miles. It's very similar build to mine with the Stainless entries, aluminum gauges/shifter/brake, aerokit, and full leather.
Just curious, what benefits would you expect from finding a car like that but with "lower" mileage? And what qualifies as lower? Based on the photos, that one has very little wear to the interior for the miles, and the exterior looks pretty good, too.
For all their potential problems, I've always wanted to own a "time capsule" to hang on to. For me, it means a '99 Aerokit with less than 50,000 miles.
I'm just about to hit 90k miles on my '99 with LSD, full-leather, etc. I keep thinking that if I want to sell it, now is the time. Only thing is that every time I take it for a drive I tell myself I am crazy for even considering selling it...
Yeah but it's silver and black.....
My P-cars need to be in bright or odd colors. I'd do silver with a Boxster Red interior, but that's about it. I'm weird like that I guess.
3 owners and under 8k miles? Kind of odd.
Agreed. I paid more than I probably should have, but it was everything I wanted. 23k miles, Aero, G Red, 6MT, Basic C2. I have another to daily, so I'd like to just hold on to big red for a long time and continue enjoying the drive.
I agree 110%.
The seller lost me at "This is the all wheel drive Carrera which handles better than any of 911 model"
If it's such a great car, then why can't the three owners figure that out?
Good advice. Although it may seem like a deal too good to pass up, but the reality of CoParts cars is that most of them are there for one reason - they were seriously damaged. More than likely the owner damaged the car to the extent that State Farm didn't want to pay for the repair. They instead paid off the owner for the current market value and boom... auctioned off with CoPart. Although, it says it "runs", that really doesn't mean nothing. More than likely, there is something seriously wrong with this car and the next owner will be the benefactor of everything good, bad, and ugly M96 style. I'd pass until you really enjoy throwing money down the toilet fix another man's problem.
I have been eyeing this 911 for a while and getting dang serious about it, the problem is it is a dealer and probably will not allow a PPI (national dealer) and in Waco there is no
good PPI place that i can find, so it has to be me doing the driving,looking and listening test, not my best way of buying a 911.
No way this ones a scam!!! This seems like one of those puzzles in the newspaper where you're supposed to circle the errors... LOL
https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto...326129356.html
yea, I've seen that one before listing in a different state. Love the fact that the scammer says, "
miles are real
" but then doesn't list them.
hahaha!
Think about it!
Wow... that's a deal considering it's a '99 with less than 100K miles. But makes you wonder if something might be too good to be true (e.g. wrecked, engine issues, etc.)
Thanks for posting Tom!
You have a point about the silver part, (hahaha) but I wouldn't trust the former without seeing some proof. Can't tell you how many ads I've read where the seller said the 996 on their lot was the best 911 in the whole country.
Nice car, albeit silver. This is the issue when I'm trying to sell my 99 for $22k. People who are interested point to these ads and say 'but - I can get the same car for $12k?!' My answer of course is that they should go buy a silver one.
Interesting to see this black 00 on BAT:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...11-carrera-12/
Everybody is all excited about it because of the pictures and the options. The guy says the IMS bearing has not been changed due to it being a dual row, but either I missed where he said the flange was inspected or it wasn't done. I don't think it was done. Surprised that nobody has called him out on this.
When I look at the pictures, the car looks pretty rough, yet everyone loves it. I really can't stand all the conspiracy theories on BAT.....OMG, don't people know they are buying a used car?
I'm not saying I don't like the car, but I am wondering what it will end up at. The last 996.1 Aero with the rebuilt 3.6 motor went for $20.5K.
I'm surprised that docmirror hasn't considered BAT.
Speaking of Aeros... This is 3 miles from my house. Knowing this dealer, and the price, I'm guessing the unlisted mileage is in the 140k range. Bummer it's a tip, but it does have the adjustable wing in the back! Could be a really interesting car for someone who doesn't absolutely have to have a stick.
I'd be glad to go check it out.
https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/ctd...348603081.html
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the aerokit wing is adjustable.
Also, the rear "Carrera" emblem on the car is in the wrong spot and looks slightly tilted.
The car must be sold. Here is the dealership. I looked it up from the phone number. The 99' aero is not on the lot anymore. (sniffle)
http://www.exoticmtrcrs.com/all-inve...?make=Porsche&
Sold at $19,250. Sounds like fair money, given ~100k miles, aero, X74, sport seats, etc. Good point about dual row IMSB, though ... seller could be going by build date, which is a crapshoot.
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sf...313287267.html
And this looks like a great deal for someone
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lg...344776514.html
2 weeks ago I lost out on a Beautiful Rainforest Green and grey interior 2000 996 with PSM and litronics with 90,000 miles for $9,999. It was in great shape. The seller himself said that he sold it too cheap. It was listed for about 10 hours before a buyer called and sent a deposit.
Yes, it was a steal, unfortunately someone bought it before me. But gives me hope to find another like it. They always come up for sale. I had never seen a 996 in Rainforest Green in person. I really liked the color.
I started a new thread based on one of the finds in this thread. I could use help before making a purchase. Comments appreciated!
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...l#post14560886
Agreed ... this car is truly hideous.
There is one part of the ad that makes me chuckle, though ... due to no airbag in the 991 steering wheel, the air bag light is on. Not quite what I'd expect of a $60k "show car," though I'm sure it's the only legal way it can be sold. Maybe if you buy the car they throw in a DIY resistor kit.
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but IMHO:
I would posit that $31,500 is nuts for an up-badged '01 996 even with a factory aero-kit; six-speeds were still common in 2001. With 110k, the car should bring $20k, if it checks out mechanically. A badge and an aero kit on an '01 3.4L six-speed are not the GT3 options that matter.
If you can look past the wheels and millage doesn't bother you, this seems like a good price for a C4S.
Also, the description is insanely brief. I guess this guy would rather chat with you about it.
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/ws...342137414.html
what is your point??
I Sub'd (SUBSCRIBED) to the thread because I'm in the market for a Porsche and want this thread in my "SUBSCRIBED" threads in USERCP.
Is that a problem with you?
No problem here, relax!
Some of us (like yourself) are also looking and if there is something specific you want let us know. We may have seen one that fits your specific requirements...
I've found a couple of members really good buys and they got in early because of this forum!
I should have typed "What Are You Looking For" not waiting For.
Ok..it just seemed like a slam on my post for some reason. Just my way of subscribing since I didn't have a link to share.
I was looking at 996/997 Turbos..Still am, but may just go with an NA 997 (.1 or .2) instead.
Been looking for 3 months now.
Hey fellas
i lost my 986 S to Harvey and wish to replace it with a tip cab/coupe 996.1 under $17.5k with under 100k and IMS done.
I�ve scoured CL, rennlist and cargurus for a sense of the market pricing and it looks challenging. Best deals I could find across price points were: a �00 C4 cab Tip w 100k in Seattle for $13k, no IMS inop top, a �99 Tip cab in PHX w/ ims and 85k miles for $20k, and a �04 C4S w 86k mi for $24k (no ims).
Am I looking at this right in terms of price/value? Any leads greatly appreciated
If your a diy'r, you might have a look at this listing, if not, don't bother. I have no affiliation w/ this ad and it's not super close to me, but if you reach out to the seller and need someone local to look it over, i can make arrangements. Just seemed like a potential DEAL provided the TLC needed is minor. I'm not a tip or vert fan or I would have reached out in hopes of yet another project in the garage, lol.
https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto...354622493.html
Sure no worries, just thinking it could likely be had for $8500 which leaves you loads of room to still come out way ahead on a 50k car that ticks most of the boxes you referenced.
mother nature can suck, sorry to hear why your shopping... best of luck on your hunt.
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https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/c...325179096.html
To good to be true?
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/c...351274814.html
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any listing with a fake [email removed] put right in the text is an obvious scam
Run the CarFax and see if it's free of accidents, but if it's a clean no-accident car, then heck yea, that's a great deal for a 70K miles Turbo. I've seen a few in this range, but they're rare.
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Hey guys, looking for your expert opinions, a dealer selling a 04' CS4, has 90k miles and asking $24k. This is the only documents of service history available, doesn't look like the IMS was replaced. Any thoughts?
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Very cheap 2000 996 close to me. I am very tempted to ask if there is anything wrong. Maybe it is just priced low to get it out before the snow? (too late) Posted 1 day ago for $12,000 CAD.
http://wwwb.autotrader.ca/a/porsche/...po&orup=1_1_31
I'm not a pro just a guy who likes cars...
If I were selling that car and my starting price was 18k$ I'd be looking to get pretty close to that number to let it go. Looks clean and if the "one owner" and car fax is clean to me that is a big plus. I like one owner cars.
That said, If I were buying that car I'd like to be closer to 14k$.
Personally, the '99 in that Autotrader ad, is pretty nice and if the mechanicals have been maintained as the seller states in the description, then it's a fair price IMHO. It's always smart to get a PPI on the car and use that to get the seller to knock another grand off the asking price. Or, just take you chances, inspect the car yourself for known 996 issues, and make an offer. I've seen many '99 in the same condition for a low as $12,000, but they're rare and hard to come by. Seems averages price for a 99' in good condition have been in the $19K range. If you could get it for around $16,000 - $17,000, that would be a steal.
Can we talk about the varioCam on these 99-01 996? I'm still learning about these cars and correct me if I'm wrong but don't you need to replace the chain pad inside the engine at some point which requires a great deal of work? Please educate me and other newbies.
I think you could negotiate a bit, as there are a couple of other C4S listings with ~50k mi within $6-7k of this. The higher miles are nothing to be afraid of as far as I can tell. In fact I'm told lower miles could be a really bad thing, if the car wasn't driven much. Pretty obvious but especially relevant for these cars I think.
Here's a new listing for 1999 model with the rare LSD option:
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/cto...385804603.html
It has a rebuilt title. Maybe a good track car?
Geez, nice find. After seeing that color combo at cars & coffee a while back, i swore that'd be what I'd buy when it was time for a 911. Looked for months with no luck. If i were looking for a '99, that'd be at the top of my list and $18k + a clean PPI would do it for me. Good luck and let us know if you nab it.
Wow that is a crazy deal I actually love that color combo its funky but the car has some nice options too full leather, heated seats, crests on headrests. Leather 3 spoke wheel, short shift kit. Sign me up for 12k!
Mirage is definitely a love-it-or-hate-it color ... I really like mine, but I'm not sure I could handle that red interior. Still, $12k would be hard to pass up.
This colour combo is beautiful in person. Especially the exterior. There is one of these with the same colour combo at my tech's place every now and then. The mileage is high, but the price is just so good. Wish it was closer.
I prefer the Mirage Metallic over silver any day. For some reason, every red interior I've seen seems to hold up better to ware and tear then others colors.
One to watch on BAT
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...ign=2017-11-15
I have a question, I saw an 02 996 C2 with only 26k miles and they are asking for $26k. Would I still need to do the major preventative replace maintenance if PPI checks out ok?
Actually, the owner is the "special edition".
The car is a standard base model arctic silver Carrera cab with some simple mods and upgrades. Nothing "special" about it. $15 - $17K car depending on miles.
I purchased my 00 C2 Aero with 23k miles, sight unseen from 700 miles away for $27k. No PPI, personal inspection.
Spent $4k right off the bat for IMS, clutch, RMS, AOS, and some other bits.
You can do it for peace of mind, or people will tell you a car that sits will need attention because of rotting gaskets, etc. Mine was clean top to bottom, no seeping, tight bushings, etc.
Ultimately the decision is up to you. I personally did not want to deal with some known issues that could cause a $20k+ repair and drive happily. Car's not worth nearly what's into it now, but I couldn't give a damn less.
Cest la vie.
For me it's about how much am I paying for the car. I'm buying a 911 to daily drive and plan to sell after 4-5 years. I want to get a car that will yield a good chunk of it back. If I'm buying a car for $15-17K I can care less if I sell it for a few grand down the road. If I'm paying $28-30k for a car I want a good piece of that back when I sell.
I may be cynical, but I don't expect to ever get my money back, probably lose some, even with only a few thousand miles driven each year.
Who knows, I could be wrong and could at least break even, but I highly doubt anything beyond that.
If I were looking for a DD I'd have spent less and found something with higher miles and IMSB already sorted. Unless it's a crisp low mileage example (turbo/C4S/Millenium), don't see much happening to prices in 4-5 years other than staying stable or declining some.
3.6L engine available out of a wrecked '99. Not sure how the seller made that work:
https://denver.craigslist.org/pts/d/...387847880.html
Ran great, right into the pole.
Everyone involved is okay.
1999 Carrera with 3.6L engine out of later model 911.
6-speed manual transmission.
All parts for sale!
Gone:
� Front of the car
� Wheels
� Suspension
� Seats (front)
� airbags
Still Available:
� Engine
� 6-speed transmission
� Both Doors
� Brakes
� just about everything that's not in the front.
Any questions, feel free to email.
I will respond as soon as I am able.
Hey Guys, I was wondering if I could get some help purchasing my first Porsche. Its a 911 Targa 2003, 6sp, with about 50,000 mi. Listed price of 25,400. It has a clean title and car fax history, but the IMS bearing has not been replaced yet. What do you think of this car?
I would try to haggle the price down a little bit and plan on changing the IMS and anything else in there (if necessary). I generally do not like wood, but it always shows well on the green ones. Also, green is such an awesome colour on these cars and quite rare, plus it looks amazing with the interior.
One con of the Targa, that sliding glass can fail and it is not at all cheap to fix. I would personally look for a coupe where this would not be a risk and there would be no weight up high. They do look great, though, and if a Targa is what you want it does offer a great open top experience with little noise/wind.
Thanks for the reply, a Targa is one of my dream car, and Id be willing to take the risk of potential failure because its so damn beautiful. It does add a bit of weight on top, but I most likely wont be doing some serious track work. What do you think is a good price for this? I was thinking about haggling down to 22k.
I love Targas also; I'd say $22K is a good deal if you can get it for that. One downside is that color combo, from what I've read on here it is one of the worst for resale so maybe use that as a stick to get it for a lower price.
I have a question about the Targa, I notice the top fabric that covers the roof does not completely block the sun light from coming thru. Is there an option to have something that sun light cannot go thru?
This used to be a really nice car, but it's seen better days at this point. Would be a good candidate to get on the cheap and bring back to life with a little TLC.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/c...385338019.html
This car has 'XAA' indicating an Aerokit, however it has the standard spoiler including the switch in the footwell. Normal?
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1999-porsche-911-16/
All XAA cars have the switch in the footwell.
I posted a comment for some clarification. The seller answered but I�m not sure he�s correct about the Litronics. Something smells fishy to me for some reason.
I don't have mine handy, but isn't there a copy of that sticker in the owner's manual? This is probably not from the hood, since that's a replacement fiberglass item.
Has new clutch and IMSB. Not a fan of the aero kit though and dislike black rims especially on dark color cars.
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...ting=192607192
German Auto Centers here is an easy go to because they are so big. But I talked to them about doing a PPI on my carearlier this year before I bought it and they stated that they "don't do anything invasive like oil change/cut filter etc". I think this is an important part of the PPI so I passed. I would call Northwest Imports who I use now as my Indy and talk to them about a PPI. I am sure there are a few other places in town but your google would be as good as mine on that. Werks11 in Temple is a class act but would be an hour drive from where the car is.
Let me know if you end up going to look at the car. I may meet you and help out if I can.
D.
I love my 996.1 cab, but maybe not as much as this seller loves his. The rare 2001 "Carrera 4S," looks very clean, aero, needs some top repair (IIRC, rear window fix costs almost as much as a new top). I hope he gets all of $24,950 for it, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
What do you guys think about this cabriolet? I dislike black rims and on black color cars they look hideous!
https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/ct...397757176.html
How do you guys feel about a hard top cabriolet? I think it looks awkward and nothing like the coupe.
https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ct...379578985.html
Looks like a overall great deal even though it has some minor cosmetic issues. But the fact that he is including the original set of OEM wheels and would consider a partial trade for a UTV is pretty cool. The price is much lower than market average for a 6 speed with those miles, but if it were a tiptronic, then it would actually be in line IMHO.
https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...6-4-liter.html
Is there anyone in California who would know if this car is CA legal? I don't believe the intake and exhaust are CA legal but I'm still debating this one. It seems like a lot of car for the money.
What you're asking and what you're getting are two separate things. This company may be fishin' for a fool. As we noticed occasionally, a fool and a sucker are born every minute.
If you look at the listing one of the options is a "Tachometer", which is pretty much going to cost a Porsche premium right off the bat, factor in the cassette player (and I can only assume a free Boy George mixtape), that's the deal of the century!
I'm basing my opinion on shops (i.e. Flat6Innovations) that have a history of working with these cars, the Mk2 '02 - '05 and even the early 997 with the single row IMS and are the weakest of all the 996. The dual row IMS was apparently the most durable of all of the factory designs during the 996 series. But unfortunately, Porsche started swapping out the dual row in 2000 and so if you have a '00, there is no guarantee you have the dual row.
Yep, when you're talking about a small part that you can fit in the palm of your hand that has the ability to kill a $20,000 engine, that's definitely downhill.
Not sure why some prefer 3.4 but the 3.6 has a stronger pull and feels faster. It also has some better features and upgrades over the 3.4.
Not trying to be a troll, just trying to make an interesting conversation base on facts and not opinions. Everything I've said after my statement is a fact not an opinion. We are all adults here and capable of having a civilize conversation without getting your panties in a bunch.
Not a bad deal considering the low miles, overall condition, and the clean carfax, but the next owner must understand this is not a factory aero kit, but all aftermarket add-on with the exception of the side skirts. Unfortunately, the dealer is claiming this is the OEM factory aero kit option - XAA, but it's NOT. I've seen this over and over. The hood option tag would prove my point. The next owner also needs to consider replacing the IMS if no documentation exists. The 2001 are some of the first single row IMS cars and with a 17 year old low mileage car, I'm sure it has much degradation to the bearings.
The ad also said V6, I don't think the seller is an enthusiast or at least whoever wrote it. If only it had the 3.6 I would have went to test drive it today.
Wow... this is a Frankenstein of a car. Seller dumped $15,000 in the engine and probably another $5,000+ for the aero kit and repaint ... all for a car that's not worth more than $15,000 with that amount of miles. Maybe someone will appreciate the power upgrades.
Beware! Seller obviously doesn't know much about it and is regurgitating what his price-gouging shop/mechanic told him.
All season kumhos on the front, summer sumitomos on the rear. For that poverty-understeer security blanket you sorely need!
" Even a newer turbo 911 will have trouble with this setup " haha okay, if that's how your shop justified all those thousands of dollars on parts!
I wouldn't give him $15k for that, and I"d expect every single thing to need gone through. What a shame.
Personal experience with cars that "have every part in the catalog" stuck on them. Tons of work being done and it doesn't even have matching (cheapest you can buy) tires? Huge red-flag.
There are key flaws in the listing- such as the mis-spelling of easily identifiable common parts, mis-identification of the type of tires, and egotistical statements. Best-case scenario, someone at some point in the car's life knew what they were doing, and the cost-cutting and cluelessness are only recent.
Not exactly the right car for this thread, but I've come to trust the opinions on the "996 forum" I'm looking for a replacement for my favorite '99 cabrio (totaled due to a blown motor) and came across this:
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/...388995833.html
I'm flying out Wed to take a look at it. Would you help me evaluate it?
Edit: It turns out that this was a scam. The guy snagged my deposit. Then, still had me fly to LA just to mess with me. There I was wandering around San Juan Capistrano with a boatload of cash... show up to the address listed on the title (I had seller e-mail me a copy)... no car for sale. A clean Carfax is great for a car... but doesn't guarantee that the owner is legit. Lucky I didn't get hit over the head and robbed... Lucky this wasn't the Craigslist killer.
Thanks! This is why newbies find this place a valuable resource: facts and experience. These are pricey rides and there seem to be lots of potential pitfalls.
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I bought the car guys! thanks for all the help and suggestions. Its my first Porsche and so far it has been incredible. The driving experience is so raw and unlike anything I have felt before.
Here's an 01 with 33K miles in Chicago area.....just a few miles from me, has an aero package on it, IMS done, $23.9K asking.
I would be happy to look at it for anyone that is interested.
https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/c...424507688.html
Agree it looks fishy, and perhaps I am too naive, but I am not sure how you can know 100% without attempting to contact the person who made the post.
Caveat emptor.
Someone needs to buy this car. They listed it as Guards Red with no pictures, but it�s actually an Arena Red with XAA code Aerokit. Low miles and great price. If it were a full leather car I would have already bought it.
https://www.autonation.com/cars/wp0aa2996xs623121
2001 Carrera 4 with just over 73k. Engine just rebuilt (incl. AOS, IMS, RMS, Water Pump etc of course), transmission recently rebuilt, new shocks, new rotors and much more. Planning to put a few more miles on it and new tires prior to listing so this is a bit of a preview. Anyway, here's a link to some pics, enjoy.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/cHBfURhuZYhUz6R13
Stjoh, that is a car to inspire jealousy and/or desire. It needs to be a garage queen, let out only to rule with you on the road. You could certainly get the lust going even more by tempting us with a non-binding asking price. But if you're not sure, maybe the crew here could chip in with some non-binding, but serious bidding. Yeah you could preview a run at BAT here. I'll start the bidding with $15,000, about as low as opinions go around here for what looks and sounds like a seriously good 996. But you could put some oil on the fire if you offered some rebuild detail. Humour us, it's winter this way.
Porphil, thanks for the kind words. I do disagree with you though about saying this should be a garage queen, like any other Porsche it should be driven and enjoyed. Actually, I was surprised myself about how fun it was to drive. Perhaps it's the combination of the Gundo hacked exhaust and the slightly more aggressive suspension combined with the rebuilt engine/transmission. My most recent daily drives have been a GT4 and a 997 GT3 so I think that speaks highly of the 996, the most under-rated Porsche on the market.
I don't want to violate any forum rules by starting an unofficial auction but I would appreciate feedback from the community about this car's value on the market. I do think it's quite a bit more than 15k. I'll try to find some time to add more detail on the car / build later.
Too bad the car doesn't have the leather dash (at least it doesn't look like it from the pictures).....but it is a beautiful car!!
That being said, and not knowing anything about the engine rebuild, if it was done properly, I would imagine you could get $22 or close to it for the car. I really like it!
I've seen several 996 Turbos with automatics go for around $30K - $34K, but if they had manual transmission, they'd be worth at least $10K more. Interesting.
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=194857654
Give me your opinions...Tried talking him down but he won't budge (yet). He thinks the LN dual row replacement gives the car an added value even though it has timed out.
You can find some comps here:
https://bringatrailer.com/porsche/996/
The exterior is fabulous! I think the carbon interior stuff will hold it back a bit, in addition to being a C4. Mostly, however, I think pricing will hinge on the engine rebuild details: who, what, why, when, etc.
((See estimated value listed below))
the car has a high amount of miles. You can still find mk1 cars under 75,000 all day long.
lots of non-OEM add-ons - wheels, radio, exhausts, rear tail-lights, etc. (doesn't help value)
car has LN retrofit at 66,842. But since it now has 121,000 miles, it's way overdue for another IMS service. That's over 54,000 miles on the LN bearing!
seller's notes: "Fuel pump hoses need to be zip tied away from the lever (pump works, lever gets caught on the hose and will not show fuel on gauge past half, below half fuel the gauge works fine) ... and "Needs new instrument cluster bulb for right side" ***If he knows what is wrong, why not fix it? Bad bad!***
has the Porsche exclusive Leather Option, but if you look closely, the leather is damaged above the gauge cluster. Ugh!
Seller mentions rock chips in the paint and road rash, but you CAN'T see it from the pictures. Why? ANSWER - because the pictures were taken MUCH earlier. Notice odometer reading of 111,115. The car has been driven 10,000 miles since these pictures were taken.
Personally, I'd move on to the next one Bill! IMHO, this car is only worth about $17,000 given the mileage. Sellers always get worked up about their cars and think they've more valuable than the current market rate. But the fact is this is a below average car. And, you're NOT seeing the most current images. Also, it's had 7 owners!!! Yikes... seems like a lot has been dumped in the car, but that doesn't help the current value unless the car has gone through complete service in the last year. Lots will have to be done to the car. Again, I would move on.
Sounds like the ad is legit. Shame the guy was having it serviced and the mechanic wrecked it during the test drive. How many have we heard of something like this happening? Apparently, he took the insurance money and bought it back in hopes to make a little profit? Not uncommon.
Anyway, that's still not a bad deal for a M96 and transmission.
Here are a couple of low mileage 996s:
Porsche 911 Millennium Edition - $29900, only 32,400 miles:
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/...440951765.html
1999 Porsche 911 Carrera with 28,120 miles - $22500, Cab, Black on black, 6MT:
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/...441126329.html
It's a relief to know that these are from his 'personal car' and not from some random car he found parked on the street.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/pts...446092768.html
yeah, figure you can probably get it for 7ish and have a great core (rebuildable or otherwise).
looks like a good project for someone.
as it sits its a complete, running car in pretty good shape.
if i wasnt also shopping around for an older air cooled beetle ('57 or so) ....... :-)
One of my buddies just sent me this on text ... local... he refuses to give me any more details on it lol... i told him to just get it and i'd go halves on it lol
Steve,
We're neighbors! :-) You know, I'm looking for a car like this in the Ga area, but this one is not legit. I searched the images and more than likely robbed off the internet... But the reality is....this 996 Turbo is $20,000 below market value. Major red flag. Same song and dance about putting down a deposit and then showing up to find no car or seller. I have some proof but we'll wait for the hear from the "seller" to get to the point of ... "We'll ship you the car bit" or "We only handle business through our eBay escrow service" or "wire a $2,000 deposit and pick the car up in Atlanta" yadda yadda yadda
The car images are found on several sites:
https://greenville.craigslist.org/ct...458863995.html
https://carsale-ads.com/2001-Porsche...ot272997534370
Comma problem today where thieves are stealing images off eBay and trying to snag "deposits" on craigslist. On the RL turbo site, one of the guys got burned for more than $2,000.
Here is where the car was sold on eBay for $39,599.00 The true price!!!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Turbo-/2729...p2047675.l2557
Just saw this listing today in Washington, DC area:
2000 Porsche Carrera 4 911 Convertible - $25289 (Alexandria)
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...442671500.html
Silver is the best / classiest color EVER!!! lol I've loved silver cars before Silver really became so popular back in the late 80's / early 90's. They may be all over the place but I still love it.
Sure are B3. Sorry about your Dawgs!
I think we even looked at the same Anniversary Edition that was in Roswell (car is FS again in DC now for +5k).
I ended up finding an AE out of state and having it trailered here to GA. Couldn't be happier after upgrading IMS/RMS.... yada yada yada. It is a phenomenal drive.
That game against Alabama was a nail biter to the end. Unfortunately, we came up short even in OT. Could you believe their young QT? Lawd, what a game winning pass!
And yea, I remember that AE in Atlanta that sold for around $23,000. But remember, it had an accident on the Carfax and looked like it was parked outside a lot because of the oxidation on the headlight enclosures. You made the right decision by looking elsewhere! Glad to hear you're enjoying the car. I'm sure you can enjoy it more since you replaced the IMS bearing. Which one did you go with? What shop installed it?
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Can't tell you how many times I've seen these types of ads in the last year. I search CL, eBay, etc. regularly. People that think the IMS bearing failure problem is a hoax then you need to get your head out of the sand.
Yes, for the high-mileage and abused. Nice ones seem to be pretty stable (note: not increasing). Once the beaters are all beat, then it will be our time to shine!
Actually, based auction/dealer data for "concours grade" 996 cars in the third quarter 2017, the M96 based 996 have dropped about $1,500 since the first qtr. The average 996 is continuing to slide about $1000 per year. Currently, the average selling price is $19,000 for a good quality 996 coupe and $16,500 for the cabriolet. The only ones that are really beginning to appreciate are the limited quantity exclusive non-M96 cars like the GT3 and GT2, especially if they're concours grade cars.
A-yup.
Also: rare color combo, good condition, low miles, (and in spirit with robroy) it's a looker. It's not fair to us pure-of-heart enthusiasts, but it's "second chance" time for the guys who couldn't snag one new but can afford to snag one for "new prices" used.
There aren�t very many 993s, and those with vast sums of cash have decided those are the in vogue cars to have. Ahh to be rich... or at least financially sound...
Seems like a good deal given the fact that it has documented service of the IMS and clutch at 60K miles. Hopefully the last 8000 miles (after service) hasn't incurred any known killers (e.g. bore scoring) that are prone to the mk1 3.4L motors. Regardless, it looks like a clean example of a mk1 car.
Actually, I've seen some even lower on the Mk1 manual cars, but this is the first one (at this price level) that claims the IMS retrofit and clutch was replaced within a reasonable amount of time. I can't tell you how many times I've seen 996 sellers say they've "replaced the IMS" only to find out they've driven the car more than the guaranteed life of the IMS replacement. But, I've even seen a couple of Mk1 cars in Florida that had less than 50K miles. I'm not rushing my purchase, but search CL, Autotrader, Cars.com, eBay, etc. on a regular basis. Fortunately for me, these cars are continuing to depreciate. But lots of worn out examples that I wouldn't touch with a 10 ft. pole.
((Personal example of what I mean about being careful when you buy an old 996))
I was seriously considering a low miles '99 Mk1 that looked to be in mint condition. A beautiful color combination (black with Tan interior)... no dents, no accidents, the tan leather interior was super clean. It was being sold by a Honda dealership that had a good reputation. What could be wrong I wondered, but after a closer look, the Carfax (and dealership) couldn't demonstrate any service on the car in the last 10 years. Maybe I was being OCD? If there was no indication of any preventive maintenance being done on a 20 year old car, I didn't want to risk it. What if the car had a bearing swap out with no documentation of what bearing was used or other problems being covered up? At this point, (with no proof of any service), I passed on the car.
The Honda dealership couldn't sell the car and so they sent it to auction. As fate would have it, a small dealership in Atlanta bought it. They paid to have the car transported only to find out the engine had problems and the GA DMV wouldn't register it because it wouldn't pass emission. After having it diagnosed by a service center, the small dealership was told it was throwing several codes. Not sure, what the codes were, but the owner told me it was serious. They ended up eating crow and will be attempting to sell it at auction again. I found out about it after noticing the VIN number. Such a shame, but I'm relieved that I dodged a major bullet.
was thinking the exact some thing. Seems well sorted with some great mods. Aftermarket exhaust too perhaps? Exhaust tips are not OEM and with the other mods done, exhaust upgrade wouldn't surprise me.
Are these cars sniffin' some major crack these days or what? I would love to hear what FSI says is the root cause of these motors having cylinder cracks. Is it the composition of the aluminum in the engine that can't handle the hot and cold cycles?
I spoke to the owner or this car. He's owned it for 4-5 months and done a ton of work to it. VW mechanic and does a lot of his own work. Has records from former owner.
Not exactly what I want but maybe nice for someone. He said he had some room to move on price.
In Acworth GA
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/c...462056588.html
No story. Loved the car and all the mods. I just need more power. Plain and simple. I just wished it would have been an S instead of a base Cayman.
Plus, I really wanted a 911..Still do. So, back on the look out!
Slacker bought my Cayman. Going to part it out and then sell the car. He has the time and skills to do it and make a few bucks.
Gotcha, thanks. That's funny I saw that Cayman on Slakker's trailer in the Blue Chip thread - didn't put two and two together but of course there are a lot of silver Caymans out there. Good luck with the hunt!
Thanks Brother. Yeah he bought a trailer and drove all the way to GA to buy mine and another project car just up the road from me. We were outside in below freezing windy temps Sat. night trying to figure out how to load it on his new / used trailer! LOL
Great guy he is though! So easy to deal with and knows his stuff.
I'm all over the place on what I'm looking for. I really want a Turbo but still not sure I should spend that kinda coin. If not, going to try to find a nice 997 Targa 4S or reg. 4S.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...6541/overview/
https://www.crownautoutah.com/2004_P..._16327773.veh#
04 C4S with less than 50K miles for $16k?
Sounds too good to be true, but if you're near Sacramento, CA it would be worth looking into.
According to the seller, someone hacked into their web site and listed a bunch of phony listings. Car doesn't exist. Too bad, I was buying my airline ticket......
Absolutely gorgeous 2001 C2 in speed yellow with factory aero kit and a bunch of goodies. $32,000 CAD ($25,600 USD approx) Wish I was in the position to add a second one to my stable.
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details.html?adId=1326526349
Seems too cheap, but the ad doesn't scream scam. Area code is correct for the area and the build sheet matches the car. Reverse image search doesn't turn up any hits. Might be a good deal for someone.
2002 black/grey Carrera Coupe, 6MT, 45k miles, $13.9k
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/6473169246.html
I just found the same car on Facebook ads. I�ll try posting the link from my phone and I hope it works.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...63536797291776
I called him last night too. He answered, I told him I was calling about the car, he said he was busy and would call me back. Never heard anything back. If he was scamming, I doubt he would put off a potential mark. Looks like someone got a deal.
Interesting... For that price, if not a scam, I'd say there was a problem somewhere.
I would like to have let me try me if it had been a scam. They usually hang up or disappear when I tell them I want to meet at the local PD and that I'm a police officer too. lol
Hope it was legit and that the buyer made out like a bandit!
Lol, and 25 more HP with the K&N hot air intake!
I do agree, there are some great deals to be had and this might be one. I wonder what the interior looks like?
Interesting, I am not sure I have ever seen a private sale with a warranty. Wonder how that looks from a legal/paperwork perspective.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto...473031696.html
Not sure eBay is the ideal outlet for a Porsche, but if I were in the market I�d be on my way to IL to check this one:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F253402974191
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Even though i just bought one, i can't stop looking. Really nice C4s on eBay
here
, and was originally $99k+ and has a lot of options I've not seen before according to the
window sticker decoder
.
It's local to me (dangit), so if anyone is interested, let me know.
Haha, I bought one a while ago, and it doesn't stop
Not that I don't appreciate you sharing this (I really do!), but I don't really understand what is going on with 4S pricing. 8 months ago (i.e. not in the middle on winter) I purchased a C4S (in nashville, ironically), in Seal with CF interior, a $94k sticker with 59,000 miles for $23k, just as clean as this one. $34k for ANY C4S much less a 91k mile one with a misaligned front bumper seems completely crack pipe, yet I see more and more of them showing up in the above $30k range. While I may have gotten a steal, I can't help but wonder why this car would ever be worth more than 28k. Maybe it was the doug video, maybe its just the price of all other 911s going up, but I don;t really get the above 30 pricing ive seen. I mean seriously, is anyone paying 30+ for a C4S? They were the single most commonly made 996, I believe.
has a lot of options I've not seen before according to the
window sticker decoder
.
- I'd really love to know more about this, because the car doesn;t even have either CF package, or a painted console, and was $5k more than my car. Maybe diviated stiching and the Al vents were that much?
Looks like a nice Aerokit. I think this one has been listed on the the PCA Mart for awhile and had a much higher price. Looks like a good deal at this price and mileage for an Aero.
https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d...496731256.html
Lol!, Comments say clean Carfax but title says frame damage...
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?entitySelectingHelper.selec tedEntity=c3398&newsletterSubscription=8128000&entitySelectingHelper.sel ectedEntity2=c3396&zip=06013&sourceContext=requestedNewsletter-ContactDealerForm-1S1_false_47569828&newSince=1518670800000&sntEmlId=1621835368&linkSectio nId=priceChanges&utm_source=dealfinderSubscription&utm_medium=email&utm_ campaign=1-1_NUOVOBLU_control&utm_term=2018-02-15&utm_content=bodyPriceChangesViewDetailsCTA#listing=186406867
Wow, was the car you purchased a tip or manual? Honestly, i'd say you stole it. The window sticker wiki isn't working for me right now, but there were a lot of bits I've not seen before like a custom leather stitched center console storage lid and other bits that added up quick. This isn't anything super special, but a really nice car IMO.
I bought an '03 C4s for $22k. I've since put $7k into it in the last 4 months. So i basically paid $28k for a 15 year old 996 that's up to spec on maintenance and had a few very expensive add ons from the PO's -- but will also turn 100k mi the next time i drive it. Did i get a steel? Absolutely not. But my buy in budget was $22k and this "project" allowed me to get into a C4s instead of a C2... and I'm very happy about that as i just love this girl's butt.
I think you made a really smart move with your purchase. An 03' C4S for $22k is a steal! I have always factored in another $4k to do the preventative maintenance - IMS bearing, AOS, RMS, water pump, coil/sparks, belt, etc. but you must have added some serious add-ons for $7k. I agree, the wide body on the C4S is super sexy!
This is my vehicle for sale, also posted here on Rennlist within the classifieds...
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...modelCode1=911
https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto...501476190.html
https://sacramento.craigslist.org/ct...505349748.html
1999 996
But it now for $ 4,600 on the charity website. link in add to charity auction. says the engine is "shot" needs tune up.
Update: 10 minutes after posting this i went back to the auction site and it was gone.
Deal of the millennium. It has options 220, 222, 224, and may have M030 sport, and hollow spoke wheels(factory, who knows where they are now). I bet this has a lot of life left in it, and the int looks very nice for 134k miles. Well taken care of by the pics.
Half a set of sport classic II wheels available in Phoenix. No affiliation. Seems like a good buy if you just needed one.
$100.
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/w...518860356.html
2000 Cab in Wimbledon Green, 147K miles, $10,500.
Wow.....I paid $9K for a 968 a few years back with the same miles.
https://cosprings.craigslist.org/cto...550599151.html
https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/c...518530040.html
The ad was posted a month ago...no affiliation
"Hello!
It's time to part ways to our weekend driver as we need garage space for a new toy.
Up for sale is:
2002
Porsche 911 C4S AWD
60k miles
6 speed manual
Silver with Black Interior
Thousands in upgrades (techart)
Wheels
Tires
Exhaust
Suspension
All maintenance history from new to current. Well serviced by local NW Porsche shops.
Car us in great shape. Seldom sees rain and is stored in heated garage.
Exterior: 9.5/10 minor rock chips from road wear.
Interior: 9.5/10 normal wear on drivers seat from getting in and out by me at 160 lbs.
Glass: 10/10
Engine/transmission: 10/10 mobile 1 all the way.
Clutch: >90%
Wheels/tires: 1000 miles on toyos
Brakes: 95%
Suspension: 100%
Electronics: 100% functional
Added laser /radar Valentine system
Underneath: all plastic and carbon fiber protectors in tact.
Clean and clear title in hand ready for sale."
https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/c...511537320.html
No affiliation..
"Selling a great running convertible, for a steal. Price lowered to clear out my driveway.
This 911 only has 45k miles. 3.6 liter 6 speed manual. 320hp. It runs wonderfully and has had lots of care put into insuring it'll last much MUCH longer.
New RND IMS Bearing installed.
New Clutch disk / flywheel pressure plate refinished
New throw out bearing
New Fluids top to bottom
Basically new tires some stubble left
New seals where needed
Valve covers and Oil baffle plate resealed with Porsche correct application
And the best part is the hard-top for these wonderful winter months
Cosmetically this carerra is not perfect - 7/10. Price is reflective of this. A few door dings, rubs in a the clear, and some bumps on the rear bumper. Needs a professional detailer."
http://www.chevroletbuickgmcpuyallup...verview/#close
What are your thoughts on this one for sale? Interested in a C4S, concerned about the IMS install, and while the Carfax is clean it shows 6 owners and limited service by some owners and a lot by others. Has been for sale for quite awhile now, at three months.
https://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistor...AA299X4S622050
IMS AND NEW CLUTCH JUST DONE AT DUNDON MOTORSPORTS! TIRES AND BRAKES ARE OVER 80%, FRESH OIL CHANGE DONE AND DETAILED. THESE ARE SLOWLY GOING UP IN VALUE, ESPECIALLY ONES THAT LOOKS AND DRIVES LIKE THIS ONE. TAKE A LOOK AT THE CLEAN CARFAX AND SERVICE HISTORY. LEATHER FEELS NICE AND SOFT, CLEAR BRA UP FRONT, CAR DRIVES LIKE IT SHOULD, SO NO WORRIES THERE. DON'T LOOK ANY FURTHER.
VIN:
WP0AA299X4S622050
Original Selling Price:
$87,765.00
Exterior:
Seal Grey Metallic
Interior:
Graphite Grey Full Leather Start:
Additional Equipment
342
Heated Front Seats
446
Wheel Caps with Colored Crest
680
Bose High End Sound Package
CZ
Graphite Grey Full Leather
M6P
Graphite Grey Floor Mat
P11
Self-Dim Mirrors & Rain Sensor
P74
Xenon Headlamp Package
X71
Aluminum Instrument Dials
XSC
Porsche Crest in Headrest
Y1
Seal Grey Metallic
Best color but I am biased.
Subtract $1500 for horrible glossy black wheels.
Graphite grey is better than drab grey seats.
Hard to find a decent C4S for under that amount without 160K miles on it.
Service history looks good and if the IMS/Clutch is documented in paper, that's $3000+ you won't have to worry about.
I say $27K is a fair offer and at that price I would buy it. Good luck
Thank you for the feedback. It is harder to find C4S for sale. I don't care for the wheels either, but that can be changed. Love the Seal Gray, not the graphite as much. Would prefer black interior.
What about the car being repeatedly sold at auction 4 times since June 2017? That would seem to indicate a problem that the dealer didn't want to deal with and flipped the car at auction.
I didn't notice that. It could be that the clutch was completely shot and the buyers didn't notice till after purchase and didn't want to deal with it. Could be $3-4K, which is all your profit.
If you don't like wheels, colors etc. I would hold out for the car you want, I did and couldn't be happier
Not craigslist, but Porsche Silver Spring MD just posted this 996 w/ 122k. The engine was replaced at 60k miles. They are asking $19.9k. What do you guys think it's worth?
Autocheck shows that it was just purchased at an auction a few days ago.
https://www.porschesilverspring.com/inventory/used/Porsche+911+Carrera+Coupe+Silver+Spring+Maryland+2000+Guards+Red+1811327
Some people crack me up:
https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/c...532630854.html
https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/c...553883100.html
And, if its not a scam, possibly a good deal:
https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/c...543363157.html
Not a steal, but I hadn't seen a 2005 996 that wasn't a turbo before. 05 Targa with the IMS bearing done, $26,995
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=203796941
Can I post my own car for sale ?
1999 911. Aero kit, LSD, stuff, 51,400 miles. Daytona Beach, FL
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...ting=200485825
Delete if not allowed.
Thanks,
John
Cool! I spend at least four weeks a year in Daytona, was there from Feb 20th through the end of March this year....stay on A1A at Dunlawton. Didn't see you driving around or DBJoe! I've been coming to Daytona my entire life, love that place.
Wow I haven't seen a 1999 996 this nice with good options and mods in a long time. You will not have any problem selling this car for the price you're asking. Thanks for posting.
The car looks exceptionally clean and well kept, but the floor mats really let it down. Floor mats are cheap. A new set would make a huge difference in the overall presentation.
I think the wheels, aftermarket tail lights and the intake are bigger turn offs, but I will agree, the matts do make it look more worn than it would otherwise.
2001 Porsche - $9500 (Turbo, silver, Tiptronic, mileage not given). "Like new". Maybe it was intended to be $39,500 or is some kind of scam?
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/...559253385.html
Saw this on FB / now its listed on CL.
2001 / 190k Miles / Factory Aero / Tiptronic. Has recent IMS, radiator, radiator fan, alternator replacement. Thoughts on price?
https://charleston.craigslist.org/ct...552075659.html
1999 Carrera aeorkit 6 speed 70k Miles listed @ $18.9k
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/c...560171436.html
1999 Carrera guards red 6 speed at 46k miles listed at $21,500
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/c...554947799.html
2003 911 targa blue 6 speed at 61k miles listed at $24.5k apparently the motor was rebuilt to 3.8 liters 15k miles ago. I�ve asked for more details on the build.
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/c...520782570.html
That white one is in bad shape. There is a lot of repairs that are needed. I've worked on it before.
https://greensboro.craigslist.org/ct...561138990.html
oh that one looks pretty nice too! Seems like some really nice NA 996sfrom 18-22 out there. Not really much else out there that compares at that price point, maybe a vette z06 but of course that�s a very different experience.
Yes, they most definitely are. My buddy has one and parked next to my C4s it's absolutely astounding how few exterior parts they share, not just the rear quarters, but roof line, c-pillars, rear glass, "back seat" glass, tail lights, rear bumper...
Oh and while I'm here, I'm more than happy to have an excuse to go check out this beauty if anyone is interested...
https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto...557620373.html
Whoa two aerokit 996s on BaT at the same time!
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...11-carrera-15/
Not factory aerokit, has too many mods and previous paint work. Miles are too high
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...11-carrera-13/
Factory aerokit and all stock. This one looks pristine
I don't have much of a problem with someone flipping a car as long as they can show they have done substantial work to the car that will justify a much higher asking price.
more seattle crap:
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/c...559439657.html
NOT a turbo! wtf?
https://seattle.craigslist.org/ctd/d...557341489.html
love all the motor work and low miles but car is hideous in person, saw it on sunday.
and surprised this is not sold yet...makes me think something is wrong with it.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/c...543363157.html
i saw this one listed recently as well, can't imagine it's not a scam or there's not something awful we don't know about.
this one the other hand seems to be a lot more in line and realistic.
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/c...548034732.html
this one isn't terrible but i'm baffled ppl actually drive this much, regardless of make/model.
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/c...546920359.html
and this little gem has now been sitting a local dealership for well over 6 mo, not surprisingly.
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/c...535905037.html
That car, if no stories, is priced at least $10k under market. Probably a scam.
A similar car failed to sell on BAT today at $44k. It did not make the reserve.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2013-porsche-911-3/
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/c...546920359.html
This car sold on Ebay for $30k 2 years ago with 100k miles (can find it when searching the VIN). Seller didn't want to go below $32 which i think is a lot for a car w/ those miles.
You can ask the owner or do a reverse lookup of the license plate from the ad photos. If you go to Autocheck and type in the license plate, it gives you the VIN without having to move forward with ordering the actual Autocheck report. Here is the VIN for that car
WP0AA299X9S706098
2004 Porsche 911 Turbo (Price reduced for quick sale) - $33000
https://southjersey.craigslist.org/cto/d/2004-porsche-911-turbo-price/6553176238.html
'Whenever this car shows up at Night Clubs / Casinos the girls swarm the car like bees and cannot take enough selfie pics in front of the car. I am constantly asked by beautiful women if they can sit in the car and take pictures. '
LMAO. Insecure owner much? And that wrap is hideous.
Thank you. Traded 1985 Carrera Coupe + some $$.
2003
2 owner 51,500 miles
X51 power kit
PSE
full Carbon interior
short shift
*Red factory painted Calipers? Did these only come on the 4S?
17 years of ownership. 33 year old car. Had some nice trade in value. I wanted something with a little more modern comforts and horsepower. Targa is very comfortable for me, 6'4" long torso. Wife is 5'11". 85 was a little tight for the two of us for long drives. I plan to do some touring in this car. I bet this Targa, with it options and looks, is more unique than my 85 coupe. I will be surprised to see another one like it.
I've never had the pleasure of driving an air cooled 911 but from what I've heard and seen, they are under powered (N/A engine) and does not have the acceleration, speed and power like the water cooled. I'm sure they are fun and provide a lot of feed backs but the lack of power just won't cut it for me.
That depends on where you live, I live in TX where everything is well you know...I don't need a 500hp exotic or muscle car but it has to at least be 325hp in a light weight sports car. Still searching for my dream 911.
Total scam, I emailed the poster from my craigslist asking about the car. He replied with " I am having a hard time seeing your message, please message me to the email I have below".
I have a question about the Tiptronic automatic transmission. Assume both car is the same but one is 6sp manual and the other is a Tiptronic. Which car will win in a quarter mile drag race?
Do you guys think this car is worth the purchase price? Pretty cool configuration, but has an accident on the history and no record of IMS service.Thoughts?
https://www.lifetimeautomotivegroup...._271340026.veh
Looks like accident was:01/20/2007 Florida
Damage ReportAccident reported
Involving left front impact
Vehicle functional
Airbags did not deploy
Maybe ask or the records of repair to get idea on extent. I'm guessing fender bender... We had ~20k damage on our 996 that was all body damage when the guard rail rant into my wife on the drivers side about 5 years ago. Sounds like it's probably all body work which adds up.
Yeah, they don't have any records of the repair due to it being a vehicle trade-in. That asking price plus taxes and then getting the IMS repaired will put the total cost around $24-$25k.
That's the thing with the 996, you always have to set $3k - 5k for additional maintenance and preventative cost to get it up to date. Might as well save a little more and get a 997?
I initially wanted the 996, then have saved a little more $$ and now want the 997.1. Lately I've been seeing a few 997-2 that are in my price range and now I'm torn between the two. Maybe I should get one of each? Yeah right I wish!
I don't know if this is real or not....but out of Chicago area.....2000 Millennium edition for $15K with 33K miles. My buddy has one of these, I love it including the color.
https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/c...573000721.html
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I read it as the car runs fine, but hasn't had the IMS done... my wife's 996 is at 90k miles and we have not done the IMS. We got the car with 30k on it. It's a 2002 C4 Cab Tiptronic.
I remember at a tech session (on the IMS issue) the local dealer was holding I asked specifically about how many repairs they've ever seen on Tips and they said it was much lower than manual transmissions and that I may never see the issue. The higher the mileage gets the more likely I don't think we'll see the issue. However, after posting this it's probably going to happen now...
The IMS bearings in the M96 and M97 engines are roller bearings. They will eventually fail. It's just a matter of when. Some engines only made it 30k miles, and some engines have gone about 200k miles on the original bearing. My 99 has 92k on the original bearing.
yeah he and his lady are both big time VW folks, think he does all his own work and does it pretty well. i'd have to try out that shifter it just looks so bonkers.
She does look like a beaut, even though it doesn't have full leather and has the clear coat damage on the hood. I sent him an email asking to see the options stickers. Will post here if I get it. I suspect that the aerokit might not be factory installed because it appears to missing the Gurney Flap on the lower rear wing element.
This guy lives down the street from me (I don't know him though, but I recognize the house and the Ferrari), so if anyone not local needs someone to go check it out, let me know.
I thought I was shopping for a 997, but I'm actually really tempted by this. I'm not all that far away.
Can someone who knows more than I tell me what would be involved in
A) selling the GT3 wing � what's it worth?
B) replacing it with a standard deck lid � how hard/expensive is that to do?
If Ebay is to be used as a source, full 996 aero sells for $5-$6k in great condition (front bumper, sideskirts, rear decklid).
I'd suggest replacing the wing vs going wingless. Check out a GT2 style or even a ducktail and see if it suits your taste more. Problem with the Aero is that the wing and rear decklid are one piece.
Personally id recommend keeping all the aero intact as it is getting harder and harder to find a car with a complete kit. And of the cars that do have it, Silver and Black cars seem to be the majority (with a white car being the holy grail of aero).
IMHO that car is a great deal even without the aero given the IMS update. Hood is a bummer but can be fixed.
That red one in seattle is sweet. Don't follow the guys suggestion and turn into a track car, get it touched up where needed and enjoy. Love the Red and Aero.
Thanks a lot � that really helps.
The GT3 wing is a little hard to sell to my wife (the 996 will be our only car), which is why I was considering swapping it out. But I totally understand that it holds more value in the car just to keep the whole kit intact.
The value on that car � condition, miles, IMS update � seems great. I just need to figure out if I can get a PPI done on it before someone just buys it without one.
I had a feeling I was going to be too slow on that one. It's a fine line between jumping on a deal and rushing too quickly to make a purchase without taking the time to get a PPI, etc.
Look for that red car on Bring A Trailer soon....I have a feeling. The last "too low to be real" price I saw on a 911 ended up getting picked up fast by a dealer and flipped on BAT within 2 weeks. He made 6 grand profit on it which I know because the previous owner told me what he sold it for.
The seller of the red seattle car's attitude towards me was "I priced it low so I don't have to answer a bunch of questions". It sure looks good but I would bet on a few nasty surprises popping up for the new owner to deal with. He wanted a fast, cash sale. Looks like his plan worked.
Maybe I'm crazy but at $29k that looks like a great deal to me. IMS/RMS/Clutch/Water pump all recently done. Awesome color too. Just missing PSE for me.
I'd have to dig a bit more into the history but it could be a great car for someone. I've owned 2 previous 997, an S and a non S tip. Only way I'd take a 997 over this car is if it was an S in excellent condition with sport chrono. But you will pay more than a few grand. Those are in the high 30's at best for a good example. And you are not safe from IMS issues in an early 997, so don't forget to potentially add money on top of that. My friends 05 C2 blew at ~35k.
That looks like a well sorted 996 C4S to me for $29k.
05' has the weak IMSB but are replaceable. 06-08 has the strongest IMSB and Porsche felt it does not need to be replaced. The only way to replace is split the motor.
This is the deal thread. 29k is reasonable but not a deal. You are within shouting distance to a higher miles 996 turbo or early 997 S. If it were In the lower 20s I�d say it would be a great deal.
From what I understand that is correct. So if shopping for an 05 997 one should take that into consideration. Even with my 06 C2S I had lingering thoughts in the back of my mind after seeing my friends 05 blow. Luckily thanks to the forums I was able to help him get the engine replaced by Porsche even though it was recently out of warranty. My other friend ended up buying the car and still has it with ~50k on the clock.
Yeah, it�s not a screaming deal but I�d say it�s pretty dang good given the condition and recent services. Have to see it in person though and/or get a PPI to confirm though.
I looked for two months at 996 Turbos and clean 06�+ C2S and most everything I saw that was clean was in lower 40s for Turbo and maybe high 30s for C2S coupes. Prob were some deals out there but I bet they go fast and are easy to miss. I didn�t see any that were a shout away from $29k. And I looked hard daily. Mostly at 996tt.
C4S owners will shoot you down for say that.
Of course you're entitle to your opinion and I feel the $29k asking price is a bit high. Looks like the auction only has 1 bidder at $27k and I'm guessing the seller will take it if no one else bids.
Is your friend interested in selling the 05 997? I've been searching for 06-08 but I'll take the 05 if it has a new engine.
IMS issues even though it exist are blown out of proportion. I would never be worried about the IMS on an 06-08.
Deals and pretty much anyone who has a Q or wants an opinion on if the group thinks something is a good deal. Saves us from a bunch of individual threads being created in the main forum.
i agree, which is why I gave my opinion that it was not a deal imo. Others may feel otherwise. Happy hunting. Let�s get back to seeing some more deals.
now that looks like fun! A higher mileage 40ae with a gt3rs wing. I wonder if it�s actually a 996 gt3rs or a replica wing though. Either way looks pretty cool if your into that. Somebody should buy this!
Nice car. If the wing is genuine, it is worth a small fortune. Even the replicas are a couple of grand by the time you paint them. I�m not a fan of the GT3RS badging on the decklid, but that is easily corrected. Somebody should buy this ASAP.
This is in our local Craigslist, if it was 2021, I would already have driven and probably paid for it, but I have to finish the mortgage before I get another 911, especially a $77,500 Turbo. And, its black, I don't think I want to maintain black, even basalt black metallic. I will be very happy to drive an hour to check this car out for a serious buyer. On a nice day of course, so I can take my cabriolet.
Available for sale is my 2010 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo (997.2). This low-mile example of Porsche's flagship sports car has been well cared for by Porsche specialists since it was new and carries with it nearly every option available on the Turbo. The auto had an original MSRP of over $152K. The car has received a few minor improvements and remains in near showroom new condition. Produced with 500 HP in stock trim, this machine has between 600-650 HP with the finest performance adds available.
https://madison.craigslist.org/cto/d...581263095.html
2010 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo
Basalt black metallic exterior
Black interior
PDK 7 speed transmission
32,000 miles
OEM Options:
- adaptive sport seats,
- sport chrono,
- Porsche torque vectoring,
- limited slip differential,
- center lock wheels,
- full leather interior,
- dynamic corning lights,
- sport steering wheel with paddle shifters,
- NAV / ipod adapter / Bluetooth
- alcantara headliner
- heated seats
- moonroof
- headrests with Porsche crests
Aftermarket modifications (~$15k with installation):
- Champion Motorsports Intercoolers (
http://www.championmotorsport.com/pr...s-997t-int.htm
)
- Europipe 100 cell catted exhaust (
http://www.europipe.be/exhausts.html
)
- Champion Motorsports carbon fiber Y-pipe (
http://www.championmotorsport.com/pr...-997-2-ypc.htm
)
- Champion Motorsports lowering springs (
http://www.championmotorsport.com/pr...p/29111-1.htm_
- IPD Plenum - (
http://ipdplenums.com/products/plenu...bos/9972-turbo
)
- ES Motors tune
- Carbon Fiber center console
- Aeroforce Technology OBD gauge
Sorry, gents and ladies. I posted that 997 Turbo because it is a Craigslist Find. I did not realize that thread was within the 996 forum. So, please excuse my ignorance.
agreed. If the owner has the service history, and if you can go to his mechanic to get the backcourt story on it, I think it�s a fair deal.
I just got mine last week for $18k. But had it not been for meeting with the owner, the mechanic, and knowing the car�s full history, I would have been rolling the dice on an 18 year old Carrera.
That's a super cool car there. I don't love the wing, but bet it looks better in person. I would LOVE to know what it actually sells for. The guy at the end of the rainbow would probably pay full asking, but most will say mileage will affect getting top dollar.
I think the general car buying public has said it's too pricey -- unless I'm mistaken, that car has been for sale for a looooong time.
Yes it is! Depending on history and what it drives like, that's a "here's your money, thank you!" kind of deal there. Do people in Utah hate Porsches? As white as it is out there, i wouldn't think so, lol.
It could be a fair price but this one needs a thorough PPI, a plan to replace the IMS, and an affinity for all that butterscotch colored interior. Not my thing, but I�m probably in the minority on this.
I'm OK with the butterscotch, so will be calling the seller later this afternoon.
Can someone check my math?
I've been trying to get a good estimate for the costs to have all the following done on a 996: IMS/RMS/AOS/water pump/clutch and other miscellaneous "while you're in there" items.
Is that around $5-6k?
Lol! I don't know why, but the market seems to be a little soft here. Pretty good car scene here, Porsche included. Been some good deals on 996TT as well.
I like the butterscotch too, especially with black. I would say your doing good with $5-6k reserve. Probably a little less would cover it unless something pops up.
Great. Thanks for the quick reply.
I can certainly do a search on this, but since you are local and in case you are still online: any recommendations for a PPI in SLC?
i agree that it would probably cost you less than that if you had to do it all at once. I looked into it before buying my 996 last week, and I knew what I was In for if I had to do it. Fortunately I found a car that already had everything done, and more.
I was looking at this one a year or so ago but it was bought before I could get over to see it. New owner has passed away and his niece just put it up for sale...
Motor was rebuilt a few years ago by 9xx in Cali.
She just dropped $2000.00 on a thorough PPI...
Thoughts?
https://honolulu.craigslist.org/big/...563323452.html
Here's a black cab in Chicago with IMS done for $16.5K asking, 96K miles. 1999 model year.
LOCAL BUYERS ONLY
https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/c...584535589.html
I find it odd that it's been for sale for a month and no one has bought it. Maybe things are different on Hawaii. This car was discussed in a 911 group on facebook a few weeks ago too.
Yeah, you're super safe at that price. I just did IMS/RMS/AOS, Clutch, flywheel, brake fluid flush, new inner outter tie rod boots and a few other odd and ins at the tune of $5800. And that was on the pricey side for indies, but I'll pay a premium for a mechanic i know and trust. FYI, I did the coolant tank/cap, water pump, thermostat, 3-4 coolants hoses and a full coolant flush before i dropped it off. If you're even remotely inclined, do that stuff yourself, not hard at all.
Gotcha. I figured as much, I guess most folks out that way can afford the newer stuff.
I think I may have been too late on the car in Utah. Someone saw it locally and wants to buy it. If that falls through it's probably mine.
For my plan B, I'm trying to figure out
how much extra value one gets out of a facelift 996?
Specifically, I'm looking at this car:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/302736570808?ViewItem=&item=302736570808
And comparing it to two different 99 cars that are around the same mileage (90k) with all updates, and with asking prices closer to 18-19k.
I looked at the car in December. It was a driver, not a garage queen. T
here is a small crease/dent on the front lip of the frunk lid and 2 scratches on front bumper, 2 small bb size dings near rear wheels. No documentation for IMS, which the seller says was done.
That last bit would scare me off, because it doesn't make much sense. Any seller who would know and care enough about the car to have the IMSB upgraded would also be a seller who would keep the paperwork for that repair.
EDIT: it also seems strange that he doesn't mention the IMSB in the ad. Sounds more like the seller didn't do it, but when 4driver4 asked about it he said it had been done.
This is proof that people can exaggerate on the ad. Hail dings are easy to fix but not when they are creased. That alone would turn me off the car. If it was replaced with an LN IMSB, there should have been a sticker on the motor lid somewhere to indicate this.
Finally found a good-looking deal close to me. Ad went up an hour ago and I just got off the phone with the seller who has someone coming to see it in 30 minutes. I'm 2nd in line, but it may be too late.
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/...598053067.html
Seller says he is firm on the price, which is fair since he's had such serious interest within an hour of posting the ad. At $17k it seems fairly priced for a car with 111k miles on it, but not exactly an "I stole it" sort of deal.
Yeah I thought about that. But I figure in the long run my best chance to find a car might because someone kindly posts one on here. As long as a dealer or flipper doesn�t buy it, but that seems unlikely on a car with this many miles.
Beautiful car. I do not usually like chrome wheels on these cars, but they just fit the black so well. Since it is Craigslist, I am sure the guy going to look at it is a tire kicker, but you never know. I say get a PPI right away!
Here is a high mileage 04 C4S. It seems to show well from the photos. The price is incredibly low. Are high mileage cars that hard to sell?
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=208332955
I'm looking for a C4S and really like this color combo along with the Manual. Too bad it has so many miles on it. I'm open to input on this one.
Thanks!
High mileage doesn't worry me if the car was taken care of. Invest the $200-300 needed for a PPI from a reputable Porsche/German shop in the area and let that be your decision maker. Honestly, even if the car needed $3-4k in work to bring it up to snuff, that's still a good deal if it's an overall clean car.
I'd buy it.
I've been looking for a couple of months and driven a couple 996's. There is only one available here in MN. I'm an avid DIY'er, so I can do much of the mechanical work myself. At this price I'm not worried about putting another $5K or so into it to take care of the IMS, AOS, water pump, Clutch, etc,,, If everything else looks ok, I think I'm going to go pick it up. I'm in MPLS, so it is a 9 hour drive.
Thanks for the input!
I had the dealer send me a video of the car starting and running. From the video it sounds to me like it has bore scoring What do you think?
I would guess the cost of the recent work would be at least $6k - I paid about $4200 for clutch IMS RMS and AOS replacement the first year of ownership of my 2000 996 plus I replaced the tires for about $1K
that might be a good car that you could own and drive with out to much $$$ or a while - good luck with your search its a lot like picking a spouse if you get a good one you will be very happy if not you will become a
philosopher
It was a pretty good car, but I ended up passing on it. The current owner had done some nice little things to it, but at some point 1 or 2 owners before it hadn't been all that well taken care of. Interior was really showing its age, and I'm still uneasy about owning a high-mileage 996. It's not that I think high miles means the car what be mechanically sound (far from it), but that high mileage cars are HARD to sell without just giving them away.
I think I'd rather get a 996.2 or 997 with under 70k; yes, I'll spend $5k to $10k more, but I think it might be money well spent.
Here is an Anniversary Edition with 68K miles asking $29,991. This seems like it may be a good deal. It is being sold by a Porsche dealer, of Monterey, CA, so we should expect that everything is in good working order. Odd thing is that the ad doesn't even mention that it is an AE! Wouldn't the dealer know that and want to mention it to shoppers?
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ngId=485871399
[QUOTE=911Syncro;15035832] Odd thing is that the ad doesn't even mention that it is an AE! Wouldn't the dealer know that and want to mention it to shoppers?
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That is how you find a unique car, and a story to go along with it. My x51 targa was mis represented on cl and by salesman. I had it verified by independent ppi. It also has PSE, which was represented as silence package. Both these options were added after production, so vin# was no help. I'm very happy they weren't porsche aficionados .😎
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Looks like a nice driver AE. Suspension looks like it is lowered, PCA sticker, regionally/locally owned for long time periods, Porsche Dealer listed. All signs point to a decent ride. Think it prob needs a front bumper respray and a good interior detail though.
Seattle-based C4S with ~100K for $24K
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/2003-porsche-911-carrera-4s/6598480680.html
Am I the only one who sees an odometer with 104k vs the 100K stated? Seems too good to be true with the IMS/RMS. Have a call into the guy to find out more but not holding my breath.
Looks like that great CL deal in Seattle got flipped:
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/c...599322370.html
It's a bummer too, because I emailed the seller within 12 hours of the listing going up, but it looks like the dealer got to him first.
You missed the earlier part of the thread. This exact same car was listed on craigslist for $19,999.
I was only posting it to note that it was being flipped by a dealer. You are right, of course: at the current price no one thinks it's a deal, but it was a nice deal at $19,999, and it's a real shame that it didn't go to someone here who would drive it.
It does suck all that works and master link fell... such a small part requires a strip down, I can see anyone to wave a white flag. I have to agree part out maybe easier to hit the 29k mark. Although the effort to part it out... might not be less than strip down the motor and fix it up again?
I contacted the seller as well. I live on the other side of the country and he basically didn't want to answer questions. He was more of a "show up with cash" guy. He told me straight up he priced it low so he wouldn't have to spend time selling it. It wouldn't have been worth his time to deal with shipping it to me or telling me details about the car. Oh well. Still looking.
I'm only a couple hours away and got a similar response.
I totally understand him wanting to sell quickly and simply, but given how well it was priced, it wouldn't have taken much effort to sell it to someone here rather than to a dealer.
I saw this 2002 low miles Tip Cab at a dealer in NY. Nice colors, nice options, low miles from what I can see.
Under $20K looks good too if you want a clean Tip Cab. I remember these guys from when I was looking for my car earlier this year.
https://www.legendcarcompany.com/200...rera-c-238.htm
When choosing my 996 last month I just couldn�t get passed the interiors that weren�t black. My gripe is totally about the dashboard, steering sheet emergency brake, and everything else being butterscotch, medium grey, or this navy blue. It just didn�t work for me. This blue in particular reminds me of the interior on my mom�s 1981 Chevy Cutlass Supreme. I can�t get on board.
Not to mention the Navy blue convertible top. Yikes.
https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/c...603776722.html
2005 Turbo S for $37,500, 55K Miles. Weird email under the contact info but a well written ad description. If it�s a fake, it�s a good one.
Fake...Car already sold on Ebay for $57,100
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Porsch...-/183234974111
For some reason you have to click this link twice or it takes you to a 2007 911 for sale. Weird.
Just reading the ad you can tell it's a fake, he didn't use his own words obviously. Cut and paste somewhere. For a minute I thought it was a 997 because it is an 05.
It's definitely a fake. Here is the response:
Hi, the car is still available for $37,500. It has 56,000 miles, clean title, no accidents and no money owing on it, and I recently had it, you can see the History Report attached to this email.
I am a pilot and I just got a very good contract with British Airways in London and I need the money for an advance on a house, that's why I am in a hurry to sell it.
I have left the car with a reputable US company, with all the paperwork (title signed by me, keys, service records, etc) so they can handle everything for me.
Let me know if you are interested and here is a link with more pictures:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3yND872VKMZu3I6v2
Regards,
Kevin Mason Reynolds JR
UK Mobile: +44 (0)7441 917041
I had one in my Cayman...LOVED It!!
I've spoken to that seller as well. Younger guy that like to "Work on cars" as he put it.
He was asking $24,000. Been for sale for a LONG time.
Factory LSD and a boatload of maintenance.
I get it, color combo may not be for everyone but I kinda like it. Didn't notice the shifter, but swap out the shifter to something normal. Get the interior professionally detailed. For 18K or less would make a great 1st Porsche.
Ditch the mud flaps too. LOL.
It seems like a very nice car overall. The shifter just screams poser. I wish he would get more than $18k for it. My car is out there for $23k and not much interest.
5 more in the Atl area including one VERY pricey 4s...
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/c...595079966.html
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/c...601705718.html
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/c...599830965.html
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/d/porsches-carrera/6599320174.html
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/d/2003-porschecarrera/6591662133.html
This seems like a good deal low miles, priced okay, if anybody needs a visit I could help
Thanks John
https://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/6604153497.html
The selling point is the carpet condition. This is a color that would get sun bleached very easily and someone took great care of it keeping it covered. Not to mention the leather color. It too is hard to come by in this condition. This car is a win win. Granted the build sheet won't have the aero kit on it but, it can easily be put on. Which would make this thing killer!
Just a heads up, when i was shopping for my 911 last fall this car (or at least these pix) were up. So either it's a scam, car has been for sale for almost a year (not a good sign) or someone bought and now selling using old pix (really not a good sign).
What do those left lower 3 buttons do? I notice one is POS is that what I think it means? lol Everything is nice on this car except for the exterior color, not my cup of tea.
https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/cto...603539262.html
This is a 2001 Turbo with 186,000 miles. I never dreamed anyone would put that many miles on a 911, much less a Turbo. Is it worth a look with a $30k asking price and if so, at what kind of final price would be fair? It's in my budget but am I going to have that much more in it to keep it alive? Seems like a crapshoot to me.
I read all that stuff in my owners manual quite a while back. The DYN is for 'dynamic' sound mode, some kind of tone/presence/reverb enhancement. DSP is Dig Signal Processor, allows you to custom set the various audio effects to suit your particular taste.
BTW, I love the ext color. I like anything that isn't black, gray, silver, white. Wimbledon green is a classic color for Porsche.
Thanks for the clarification guys. I was guessing it might be performance related similar to the buttons on the 997. Wow things have certainly change on how we adjust our music sound now.
Only $10,500!!! buy it now!!
https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ct...602974063.html
that car has been on craigslist for at least the last 18 months at that price.
Here's a high mile 2002 996TT, tip for anybody interested in that kind of thing .. $32K
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/h...609345463.html
Could be scam as I'm seeing california plates in MN, but who knows..
What do you figure the add-ons such as Recarro seats, roll bar, racing seat belts, and extra wheels/tires contribute to the overall value? In other words, if such extras are factored out, what is the effective asking price for the basic car?
2002 C4S with only 18K miles for $39K popped up at my local MB dealer. I think it might be a little high, but I'm tempted!
https://www.mbsugarland.com/inventor...aa29982s623758
99 Cab with 26k miles in Round Rock, TX. Silver with
green
in interior. One owner. I would say this qualifies as a barn find, mostly because it looks like its been in a barn.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...39968279518795
Ah ha, I can see that now. Not a great many miles at the price. Probably no maintenance ever done unless it broke. But after the engine blows, maybe you can recoup your money in the part-out.
What do you all think of this at this mileage?? One owner, extensive service record in carfax and Dealer says IMS is done but cant provide evidence. you think a little high in $$ -TIA
https://www.newportautosource.com/in...th-anniversary
https://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistor...AA29964S622174
We�ve got ourselves a real winner here. Whacked on the front and back with a rebuilt title. It�s a steal at $30,000!
https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/c...603265049.html
This one almost seems to be a scam. I couldn�t pull this one off right now, but an 05 Turbo S, 55k miles for $37,500? It would be the deal of a lifetime in my opinion.
https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/c...618352717.html
As a general rule I don't like bolt-on flares or big wings. But I like that car. Hard to tell if it's thrown together or actually a decent car by those photos though. Also, I'd want to know more about the rebuilt title.
Hi. This is my car from craigslist:
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto/6622440685.html
I think its a great deal and will even be better for a rennlister!
I can live with a tiptronic but I absolutely can not do a cabriolet. That would be a deal breaker for me, just a matter of personal preference. Unfortunately for me, I see tons of great deals on cab.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/c...622672074.html
Oh boy this thing is beautiful. May have to take it for a test drive this weekend.
Hardback sport seats, LSD, Litronics, 30k miles my favorite color combo yes please.
Hello all. I've reduced the price to $15,499. I'm a motivated seller. Make me a reasonable offer and you might be surprised! Also, rennlisters will get included a durametric with the laptop that is used for it. Thanks!
Link to craigslist ad:
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto...622440685.html
Entry level car at $14k. IMS and RMS both done with MT.. I don't know whats going on with the hood, a wrap maybe?
https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/chl...631179642.html
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I just might have to see this one in the flesh. First step will be to try to get a VIN number out of the seller.
EDIT: this car seems to actually be in Alexandria, VA so one of you Old Dominion residents will have to look at it. A little bit of a drive for me!
I've looked a bit at the plate on that 'Florida' car. It has a solid white plate, with slender black lettering. It also has what looks like a Times New Roman font maybe. Look at image 4 and 12 closely.
My search was by no means exhaustive, but there is no US plate that I can find with white background, black Times New Roman font. It could be a special order, but I kinda doubt it. Most fonts for US plates are bold for easier reading. Serious doubt it is a FL state plate of ANY kind. Word of caution.
I agree the plates are Virginia. The same ad is also on the Alexandria, VA Craigslist and the phone number provided is a D.C. area code. Who knows what the real story is...
The story has significantly changed between the two ads though, no mention of the replacement engine, IMS or RMS work and the mileage has gone up. I guess the poster can't keep his story straight.
https://sacramento.craigslist.org/ct...634688219.html
Saw this cheap 996 if someone is looking for a 100k+ mile manual coupe. Only one pic in the ad and no mention of IMS. Might be worth getting more information on whether IMS was replaced already.
AOS is leaking and needs to be replaced. In practical terms, this means the engine needs to come out. May have intermix in the coolant. My guess is this car will become a roller very soon if not corrected. I�d love to know what carmax offered him for it. Under $10k ??
After selling my 996.2 Cab a few years ago to help pay for my MBA, I'm getting get back in the Porsche. I'm sticking with the 996 since I loved my first one, but this time looking for a C4S.
I've spoken with the seller, but am wondering what everything thinks about the car below, or knows anything about this particular car. IMS/RMS/clutch replaced in the mid 80's mileage, new cup 2's a few thousand miles ago. However, relatively high mileage and an accident on it's record (although seller sent me an repair invoice showing just $1k, so it doesn't appear to be major) and high number of owners is putting me off. Thanks in advance for the input.
https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto...631519366.html
Good catch, I've asked the seller about it. I'm thinking it might just be sagging over time, but will obviously check it out closely. I had a similar issue with my E46 M3, which I fixed easily, but can't seem to find much info on bumper sag for the 996.
1. Worst photos ever, can't tell anything.
2. IMS replaced
3. I don't think there is any "front bumper droop" on a 996. It's either "on" or "not on correctly." Looking aty the side light, I wonder if bumper was off and put back on incorrectly, it's easy to do. Can't think of a reason there would be that huge gap excep it not being on correctly...having just taken mine off last week to clean radiators.
4. Good color combo
5. Hate plasti-dipped or painted wheels
6. True bargain price. There is one for $30k on PCA website. You could spend $5k to bring this up to snuff and still be ok.
It would have to have missing upper screws (3 iirc along the hood line) for it to sag that much. Or very oval holes. The holes are already clearanced so you can adjust fitment, match bodylines.
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Thanks everyone, looking at indy's in Nashville area for a PPI and will have them take a closer look based on this information, but I'm thinking that's a flaw that can be easily addressed.
I'm a bit addicted to CL and saw that car the day it popped up -- I'm in Nashville, so PM if your not and want someone impartial to have a quick look. I'm no expert, but picked up a C4S last year, have read everything i can get my hands on and have replaced gobs and gobs of parts since purchase --- so i feel like i know what these cars should look and feel like.
As for PPI's -- I'd reach out to Brett Metzler at
German Motorworks
or Jay Gould over at
German Performance Options
. While I've refreshed the entire coolant system, spin on oil adaptor, spark plugs/coils, frunk microswitch, door lock assembly and a lot of other odds and ends in my garage, I recently had Brett replace the clutch, IMSB, RMS, inner/outter tie rod boots and a few other things and was happy as usual (he's tackled larger jobs for my BMWs over the years). German Performance Options are a bit more Porsche-centric, but I've known Brett for a long time and would take his opinion on any car. Lastly, some of the folks in the Nashville PCA rave about a guy named wickie (sp?) at
Renntag
, never partied w/ the guy myself or even been to his shop -- he cut his teeth on air-cooled Porsches but one of the gals in PCA will ONLY take her 996 C4s to him. Hope that helps.
Amazing, thanks! I stumbled upon a few of those shops in my search for a good PPI indy, but this is definitely more helpful. Might take you up on that impartial opinion offer. I am in Atlanta, so I would ideally only make the trip up with solid PPI results to buy it, but have been tempted to drive up this weekend to check it out.
Just to add on, I got some extensive service records for this car. Just over 5k miles ago, this car had LN IMS, clutch, plugs/coils and a few other smaller items. New tires around 3k miles ago. Dealer did oil filter cut to ensure no metal shavings before performing IMS upgrade. However, cannot locate records showing AOS replacement...
https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/cto...639585904.html
dark teal metallic C4S, replacement engine with a claimed 15K Miles on it, lots of maintenance. $30,000. What a great color!
glad to help spread the madness as these cars are worth it. Hit me up if you�d like me to go take a peek or even if you have plans to come up and want a second opinion, lol. And happy hunting, it�s half the fun.
https://denver.craigslist.org/cto/d/...641049167.html
Interior needs a little love, but I bet replacement seats and door panels could be sourced on the cheap. Looks like a great deal with the work that's been done to it.
New engine is great IMO. My 996 had a crate engine with about 25k miles (plus clutch/RMS @ same time) on it when I bought it. Great way to get the analogue 996 with almost new mechanicals, but not at ultra-low mileage Porsche prices!
Beautifully modified Gen1 up in Raleigh caught my eye - "originally purchased by GM as a test mule in fall of 1997 to test / inspect compared to their C5 Corvette"
https://raleigh.craigslist.org/ctd/d...635350967.html
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Interesting, but I doubt it is one or the 14, or so, 1997 builds, based on the VIN. On top of that, GM would have had to buy it in Europe and ship it over. They did not go on sale in the US until April 1998. It's got a mix of parts, some early and some late. It looks cool, but that's a lot for a salvage car.
Beats me, but if I could get it for $8500 and drive it for 20,000 more miles without it blowing up, why not? Could still sell it as a roller for 6k.
I mean Apollo 911 had 248,000 on it before he blew it up on the track.
A premium price for a car that has a salvage title. History will be tough to prove so they buyer better be well aware of what they are getting into. I'd want mega documentation on the "test mule" history on this car before considering
Spoke to the owner, he was super vague on the phone. Asked him any mechanical issues and he said check engine lights comes on and it's something about a solenoid from the vario cam? He said car was in an accident front bumper was replaced and resprayed, Also partial front was resprayed but has clean title. I was going to take a look at it today but the check engine solenoid thing made me nervous so I decided not to go. The dude just didn't seem enthusiast about his car, gave me a feeling something is wrong with the car and wants to get rid of it for cheap.
Thanks for sharing, all good info. The cam pos sensor, and cam adjustment can set the check engine light. Fairly common. Fixes include checking the sensor, and the solenoid as well as check the guides which wear. Woudln't really stop me if it was the model, and options I wanted at that price.
If I understand correctly, to change the solenoid or the chain guides you would have to disassemble the top half of the engine..? I think there was some major issues that needed to be address was why the owner offered the low price. Owner texted me back and said the car is sold. Good luck to the new owner and hopefully all issues can easily be fixed.
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/c...639334587.html
Looks pretty solid and nice price. Remove the headlight covers and tail light covers but looks clean.
Satin green (almost looks like Plastidip) 996 mk2 rally car... Actually looks kinda well done but asking a lot for it. $34,500. Austin CL but in Tulsa, looks like.
https://austin.craigslist.org/cto/d/...645982219.html
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/p...645616393.html
No affiliation as I am in el paso. Have a trip to Atlanta coming up and spotted this in Craigslist.
Sure, I get it... it�s all subjective I suppose. Personally, I think yellow looks fantastic on a 996, my buddy has a Targa and I think it looks the bees knees....
that is gorgeous!
can you ask him where I can get that chin/lip/splitter spoiler underneath front bumper? Maybe a part number? Mine is missing and I can't seem to find a 996.2 gt3 one.
thanks!
I think the speed yellow looks hideous on a 996 and just never liked yellow cars in general until I saw this pastel yellow on a 996. Instantly fell in love.
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https://knoxville.craigslist.org/cto...648342385.html
Relatively high miles for the asking price, but EVERYTHING done. Could be a good buy for someone looking for a targa who won't have to worry about adding miles.
'99, 6-spd manual, with 4-spoke wheel....Raby's favorite...91k miles at $16k in FLA....looks well kept. from what can be seen online.
https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/45324510
LOL, I didn't say it would be chock ablock with good history or anything, lol...just seemed a reasonable price for what looks to be a clean '99. These small dealers are something else.
I'm curious what the options tag reads for this car. That's a Carrera Aerokit spoiler (XAE code, I think) but I'm not so sure that it was available for order on the C4S. I thought the only Aerokit option for the C4S was the same one that was available on the 996 Turbo....
Very clean 2001 Rainforest Green over tan in Alabama
Tiptronic
59k miles, 3 owner, clean carfax, florida car
No mention of IMS work
$22k
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...2780/overview/
1995 Porsche Carrera 911 Black on Black - $55000 (BASEHOR)
On craigslist Kansas City
I went to look at this car for a member and said I would hold off until he had decided, at this time I dont think he is going to purchase the car.
I looked at the car and talked to the gentleman selling the car and he sounds legitimate and he bought the car with a business and is just selling off some of the assets, so the title is still in the 2nd owners name, not sure if it has been signed, Question to ask
- Car has been in Missouri all of its life, Springfield and then Kansas City, the 2nd owner since 2001, purchased with 27,000 miles, there are some receipts now has 44,250 miles.You may be able to get some records from Dealer!
- May have been service at local Porsche, needs to check with Vin #
- Body in good shape, no door dings, but there are stone chips on bumper,hood and side fenders, not bad, show like a 44,000 mile car.
- Need claybar and full paint restoration
- Main Body issues,Rust "bubble around windshield about 1" round bottom right side and goes under the rubber, there are more signs of small rust bubbles rust under the windshield, windshield will have to be removed and will need new rubber surround , 50-50 chance that windshield could crack therefore budget new windshield. $3000-4000-5000
- Front bumper and skid pan scrapped on underside to the suspension and bumper looks stretched on left side and right side.
- Could be touched up but would say removal of bumper and total repair for your negotiations $1000-$2000
- Rest of body work needs claybar and then good polish $xxxx
- Frunk clear with all tools and kit, took mat out to check complete front end and it looks good and no damage.
- Rear tires worn on inside, budget for new set $
- Alignment $
- Interior in great shape just need cleaning, dash, seat, door cards still all good. Very small wear on lower bolster drivers side.
- No scraps on wheels, slight vibration as 60mph, balance when you change tires.
- Brakes look good, rotors and are not warped or grooved.
- Rear end engine cover pan missing, a lot of people leave these off.
- Can not see any oil leaks
- Drove on/off accelerator and could not feel any clunking, this checks transmission and engine mounts.
- Car drives and brakes straight.
- Car drives tight and no inside rattles.
-The a/c works well, when you accelerate hard to 4-5000 rpm the a/c slows down it sounds like a valve is working ( through vacuum) and closing off a valve. Should show up in PPI, I think this is normal.
- Not sure if it has had its full 30,000 miles service?
-The car has not been abused but not kept up to best standards and could easily be brought up to a 8.5-9 with some elbow grease and $$$$
- All switches inside worked.
- Door hinges are good
- He has some records and also a car fax.
- He also said he would pay for PPI.
- Name is Randy Mc Donald [phone removed]
Thanks
Since PPI shows no major issues, needs full 30,0000 /40,000 service
Also weaps at chain cover and the valve covers, basically they fell that as car is driven more it will start to leak so plan on replacing gaskest, plugs etc.
One of the drive axle boots look almost ready to go
Needs Frunk and engine lid gas shocks
This is a basic 911 with no extras no power seats.
It has ROW springs, not sure what type.
Thanks
John
It's not an aero c4s, different spoiler on those. ad says original is included, which would would look like any other. the oem aero wing looks great imo, i've thought about adding but would want the rest of the kit as well. if the car is up to date, $32k would be a good buy for a rare car. interior w/ the hard backs is fantastic -- i much prefer those seats, not to mention it all being in my fav color (even though i would have ordered it w/ black carpet).
Its an "8" plate, means that it was just recently registered. No mention of maintenance or anything about the car history.
Looks like somebody who thought it was a good idea (on a whim?), figured out they don't understand Porsche ownership, and now wants to dump it.
Remember: when it comes to buying a Porsche, its not just the car, you are also buying the seller.
some serious red flags with this ad, but no two ways about it, the car in the pics looks like something I'd like to get to know better:
https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto...653068638.html
Or that they had a personalized plate and switched back for a sale. And it does mention some maintenance and history... �with new tires, newish brakes, just serviced smogged and registered�
So given how much 996 GT2s seem to be fetching without the Ruf treatment, I'm curious why this one is being offered for under $100k? Does Ruf actually hurt the value? I suppose that may be a turnoff to the "speculator" crowd to a point, but this still surprises me. Also, looks like it had PCCBs on it, but they mention replacing the rotors with steels after only 40k miles. If this is legit, this might actually be a hell of a good deal, but this ad raises a lot more questions than answers.
Is it a true "RUF"?
This line "At the time of the RUF 550 conversion". Leads me to believe the parts were added on. So is it a heavily modded with RUF parts GT2 or a real RUF?
It has a Porsche VIN so not a RUF - RUF VIN's start with W0, Porsche with WP...but as you correctly surmised, it's a RUF conversion - Porsche GT2 with RUF mods. Still a great car - a more powerful "widow maker".
My thoughts as well. Went and looked at it (it was near me too). Engine case is destroyed. Good chance the front diff is destroyed, and I'll lift it up to inspect the trans housing if seller responds to my offer. If trans is ruined it's not worth the effort for any bits unless it was free..
Wow, that’s a great price...and it’s just down the street from me!
My garage door is stuck so I can’t get my 996 out this morning.
I wonder what everyone would think if I ran out and bought this one so I could still drive a 996 until the garage door repairman comes later this afternoon.
Maybe I could call and cancel the appointment.
I could have him come late next week...hmmm...
Radio doesn’t work.
Cup holder is broken.
It didn’t want to start.
It shakes badly on the freeway.
Here are a couple more pictures of it.
Car needed some window tint, it looks like it has spent some time out in the Houston sun.
Rear carpet is badly faded.
It is still for sale.
My friend who was interested, and took the pictures, decided to pass.
How does it happen when coolant gets in the engine? Is there preventative care to prevent this from happening? Just trying to understand more about these cars.
The LN Engineering folks have a ton of experience in this area and they can provide a very accurate answer. From what I have learned, I think the answer would be "it depends". Best case is a short run time with the cracked head with no internal engine damage. The would still cost thousands to take both heads off and get them professionally repaired. Depending on where the crack is, it may be better to source another head. There are many parts, in addition to the heads that need to be replaced when it is put back together. Worst case is coolant has gotten inside the case and there is bearing damage requiring a complete rebuild.
Two (seemingly) good cars for good prices. I'd assume the dealer with the 4S doesn't realize what they have.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ngId=491237233
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ngId=490800892
i would think folks are lining up to buy this one, if you're looking I'd jump... don't see this lasting too long.
https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/330354
oh, and found the CL ad:
https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/ct...660164687.html
Forget this one in Houston!
I wouldn’t buy
ANYTHING
from Houston Direct Auto, no matter how good of a deal it seemed.
They don’t have a very good reputation locally.
If you check their reviews carefully on Facebook you'll see how many complaints they have, and notice the names of the people giving them positive feedback.
Most of the positive feedback is from employees (you can find their names on their company website) and people who live in other countries.
Paid positive reviews?
There is another company in town called Texas Direct Auto, and they're a pretty good place to buy cars from.
HDA is trying to use the TDA reputation to sell cars.
HDA's vehicles are never as good of deals once people look at them.
I am looking for a C4S and found this one. The price seems way too low. Is there anyone in the area that can check it out?
https://www.autolist.com/listings/WP0AA29933S622163
If it was a good buy I'd like to buy it but it just seems to be too good to be true. I'd appreciate any feedback on this one.
Well, when it looks to good to be true, it tends to be bad. No way to get a decent C4S for 16K, even with the high mileage. Something has to be wrong. The interior looks in horrible shape. I take this as a good hint as how the rest would look like.
Dang it. That's exactly what I'm looking for. I wonder how much it would cost me to get it to Seattle? I don't have time right now to drive down and bring it back myself.
Yeah, I got a couple quick quotes and it was around $1000. The owner of the car in Utah doesn't seem too keen on dealing with someone who isn't local though.
Thrown rod means at least one of the heads is probably trashed.
With a $6K roller (once you receive it) and likely not a lot to work with engine wise...I'd look for something closer to home if it were me.
Of course I'm hoping for a $4k roller much closer to home with a better chance of a cheap fix...but I can wait until I find a great deal...or not get a second 996 to work on.
This car has been on the market for awhile...It's just a matter of time before he's willing to negotiate with anyone interested.
My roller was originally advertised at $8K and the owner would not budge for a month.
I think it was posted yesterday, at least I hadn't seen it before. But, yea, a wad of cash can make people wash their hands of dead weight. It's been in the back of my head since I saw this... I need to look away!
I've been keeping my eyes peeled for something closer to me, but people seem to think that 996s with blown engines are still worth $9k+ around here (Seattle). I'm not in a hurry, so maybe I'll check in with the guy in Utah again if it's still available in a week. I like the car in Utah because it seems to be exactly what I want (996.2, with side skirts, black interior, low-ish miles on the chassis, overall good condition). I'm not too worried about how bad the motor is blown, I won't be needing the M96 anymore when I do find a good car.
This is the only one currently active in the area:
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/c...651143404.html
I've spoken with the owner and he seems like a cool guy who is clearly very fond of the car; so I think his price is more of a "honey, no one wants to buy the car, I guess I'll just have to get it fixed" type of thing.
That speed yellow is nice!
It would be worth a little more to me, but not $9K for a roller.
I�d go a little over $5k if it were local.
But over $10k once it made it down here to TX would be too much.
I think you�re right.
He priced it so it wouldn�t be very likely to sell.
Just need to go look at it and hopefully the wifey will be there.
You can then mention that the going price is only $3k, but you�re willing to go $3500.
Maybe she will chime in, �Sold!�
I had a 92 968 for a while. Bought it as a bottom feed needing a lot of love. Frankly, after all I did to it, and drove for a while, it wasn't much more than a tarted up 944. The car traces back to the earliest 924s, and the feel is still there. The engine is grunty with good torque, but it's no track candidate.
Lots of specific 968 stuff involved as well. The DME is unique, it has a solenoid operated cam advance, the trans is a one-off with common problems with pinion bearings. Plenty of elec gremlins to worry over. It did not sell well and one of the reasons was it was badly over-priced compared to other cars in the same category out there. $12k is a decent price for that mileage, and good ext. But - it's going to need plenty of int love, and likely some seals replaced in the front of the engine. Also, it is a timing belt car, with interference engine. The TB/WP job is not too bad, but once you are in there, plenty of other bits to mess with. I have $100 says the fuel delivery and return lines are original from 1995. Yikes....
Docmirror is 100% right on target, I still have my 968 (12 years) which has become the "beater" daily driver while the 996 is saved for more important drives. The 968 is also a very good Porsche, just different. There are many comparison tests around on the Internet, just search.
Here is one from yesterday comparing 968 to 964 currently being discussed on the 968 forum:
You Tube
Here's an interesting one. It's gold....which I'm sure isn't everyone's favorite, but it's different, I would definitely call this one a doctor's car.
2000, 69K miles, $18K asking. If I was in the market and it was local (as it is to me), I would definitely be checking it out.
I actually like the Mirage Metallic. I regret not being able to pull the trigger on this one $10K Tip with 65K miles, full Fabspeed (header to Tips) exhaust.
This would be a good candidate for a swap. Priced a little high, but maybe the seller is open to negotiation.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/c...683286681.html
This one looks a little fishy. Seemingly, the same car is listed from West Linn, Oregon for 7995.
https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/...676573608.html
Interesting. I think it's legit though, I actually recognize the apartments in the picture for the Seattle ad (a friend used to live there). I wonder if he moved up from Oregon and towed the car with him?
The worst thing about that car is the salvage title. Not a good prospect to dump 10-14K into... unless you "love it and will want to drive it forever".
I've got one like this, a cabriolet that I bought back from the ins after contact with a rock broke my engine (in reality it just broke a water hose clamp). Loved the car... got sentimental and bought it back for 5K + fees. Now, I'm faced with that same math... 5400.00 in buyback costs + 12K for an engine + 2500 instalation fees + 2500 "while you are in there parts (clutch/aos/hoses/coilpacks/engine mounts;? 3500 engine core charge if not rebuildable? etc.)
So she sits.
There are lots of good cars out there in the 20+ K price range that don't have a title brand.
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Yes, $7995 or $8500 is too much for a branded titled roller...even with the Aerokit.
In my opinion, once it has a branded title it is almost worthless as a roller.
It is worth more being parted out.
Well, this happened on BAT a couple weeks ago, so they might not be too far off.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...11-carrera-39/
However, despite the low mileage, that one is a silver on gray tiptronic cabrio 996, so it's pretty much the least desirable 911 ever built.
My guess is a blown engine.
I tried to do some reading up on tranny swaps in a 996, and it looks like it wouldn't be that bad, but I don't want to do deal with a tranny swap AND an engine swap.
I don't know, it IS a rare Cabriolet with a Tiptronic.
It really is a clean example.
I like the aerokit and 2-piece BBS wheels.
Miles are really low, which is a really good and REALLY bad thing.
https://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/...686731114.html
Recent price drop on this. Nice options. Low miles. Both tops. My stable is full or I would jump on it.
Folks!! Here's the one! If the ad is correct, it's up the road from me. One owner.
I hate to post it because I'd love to buy it for myself..lol (pipe dreams)
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/c...687897130.html
I spoke to the step son who is selling for the owner. He said there's only a couple of blemishes and they look like they'd buff out.
I may go look at the car in the next day or two, just so I can advise others and take more pics.
I'd Love to buy and flip it, if it could be bought right. But I'd have to get with my rich friend to secure a loan to do it..lol
Not Craigslist, hope that is okay.. Could be a great deal if it is real. $15k for an 03 Targa with 142K miles. Not a lot of info which is always a red flag for me.
https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/330850
No affiliation, but this one popped up today and might be a great deal upon further investigation...
https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto...688951613.html
You have to wonder when a seller doesn't post the VIN#. What you wanna bet the car has been wrecked. Also, not sure the aero kit looks the best on a cabriolet. Looks like whomever painted the front bumper decided to paint the inner air ducts too. Paint match is off by the way. That's a very unique rear spoiler for a 996. Do you think it looks kind of like a diving board?
Budget deal..10k price 113k miles clean title. If it checks out could be a budget entry car for someone..
https://joplin.craigslist.org/cto/d/...689593461.html
This car used to be owned by Quinton TV (Youtuber) when he created a bunch of car content. If it has not been touched, it probably still has the Fabspeed muffler bypass. He treated it well, but the pic posted here makes me think she had a rough year.
Not on Craigslist but on Ebay - 2004 Turbo Looks decent enough although I don't like the colors. Anybody know anything about this car?
Thanks
Dave
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2004-Porsch...bfBNn#viTabs_2
Here's a salvage title roller (and missing seats) close to me, but not close to what I would spend:
https://houston.craigslist.org/cto/d...685486992.html
Yeah, I might go up to $2K considering all the parts.
I.e.the transmission and body panels.
It is probably a Harvey flood vehicle so it probably needs lots of electrical work.
The engine might be ok mechanically.
But I don�t want to find out.
I also really don�t have the space for it or the time to part it out.
I guess that is better than getting the "imminent" shaft. But that might be coming on that one. Although the undercarriage is free from dents and scratches (good to know).
D.
Not CL, but a solid 996.2 at a good price, with good miles, private owner past 8 years and an upgraded IMS.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...modelCode1=911
Yep, that's a good price.
Do you know the seller(or have you talked to him) because I didn't see any mention of the IMSB being upgraded.
Maybe it's because I'm not using their app.
Aren't those the 996.1 Aerokit side skirts?
Not that it bothers me, just wondering.
Parts of it I like, and parts of it I don't.
It might be a nice starting place though.
I don't care for the stretched front tires, nor the red smile on the front.
Also I think the taco spoiler should be entirely body color.
I really like the red mirrors though...and the red wheels.
I like the "GTI graphics" too.
I spoke with the owner, had the IMSB done @ 54,000 miles.
Aero sides are factory sides. I've attached the build sheet. Really nice car. Needs a driver.
Yeah, that's a bit surprising. The tach seems like a lot of trouble to go through, however you can see it has a sunroof and regular Carrera calipers...
he definitely pushed all the buttons to fake the GT3 funk.. down to the exhaust tips and door sills.. the tach has got to be a sticker.. its a good looking car.. and a engine shot would be nice to confirm the "S" claim. GLWS pulling $30k
Thankfully this day and time, with a little research and VIN checking, buyers can be more protected by counterfeits or "replica" cars. Years ago I bought what I thought was an exclusive Trans Am GTA which later turned up as rebadged base model Firebird. Ouch, that one still hurts.
There was not an "S" model for the 996 generation, not power upgrades from the factory except of course the X51/50 power kits (40AE, turbo).
Even the C4S, the only model with an "S" in it, had the based C2 engine without any power increase.
I wonder how accurate the tach is, whether it is a sticker/overlay or a swap out of the entire cluster.
It would be interesting to know if you could swap in a GT3 cluster and have an accurate tach.
I imagine that would be extremely expensive to do.
A tach overlay would give you an inaccurate tach.
That might not matter to most people though.
According to the seller the entire gauge cluster has been swapped out and the tach is accurate.
That's pretty interesting!
The only way you could tell this is not an actual GT3 would be the sunroof, rear seats (if they haven't been swapped out) and looking under the rear deck.
Although changing out the intake might not be too difficult if you run the 82mm TB.
Then the oil filler being on the right side would be the best indicator.
Pretty cool looking car.
1/2 price of an actual GT3 with around 88% of the horse power.
2000 red C2 with aero side skirts and front bumper, 62k miles with IMSB replaced and also clutch/flywheel replaced at 50k miles. This is a super HOT deal for only $17k!
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...or-photos.html
No affiliation, but this seem like a great deal in the making especially since it has a fresh RND motor and IMS in the car.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...-4-9/#comments
Here are the outside pictures.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...l#post10180736
Looks nice.
The lien title is probably what makes it harder to sell.
I know I always shy away from vehicles with liens...even though I probably miss out on some nice deals because of that.
I don't understand why you would be weary of a lien title? It just means a bank/credit union is holding the title since the car is financed. So when you buy the car, you pay them instead of the owner and they send you the title.
The one time I bought a vehicle with a lien title (back in the 1990s) I had to make several calls and visits to the savings and loan.
1) They lost the title.
2) They found the title "it will be signed today."
3) No one was available to sign it, "come back tomorrow"
4) They lost the title again
5) They ordered a new title
6) 2 months later...They still haven't received the title
7) The saving and loan went bankrupt.
8) The FDIC took over
9) The assets were sold off
10) The original title then mysteriously appeared.
11) Submitted paper work again
12) Finally got the title from the new owner of the assets
13) Then I took the title to get it registered the title was signed off by a different entity than held the lien
14) I had to wait a couple more weeks to get a letter on the new company's letter head stating that it had taken over assets from the original savings and loan
15) I finally received the title about 6 months after I'd purchased the car.
I had hoped to flip the car.
I ended up with a bunch of money tied up in a car I couldn't sell.
I promised I'd never buy a car with a lien again!
I still haven't.
What I would do in that case, if the seller wants to sell a car with a loan, is request him to pay the remaining amount to the bank, get the title, and just then, I would pay him the whole amount of the car.
I agree that the chances of it happening again are slim.(very slim!)
But I'm hesitant to buy unless the seller has a clean blue Texas title in their name.
I'm sure I miss out on some awesome deals, but I'm OK with that.
I modify my Craigslist searches to include only clean titles.
If I were financing, and only putting down a few thousand on a car, then I'd probably worry less about paperwork and titles.
But I pay the full amount (I have a huge hatred of debt) and want to be able to sell the car immediately should I decide to.
Maybe someday I'll buy a car from out of state, but for now it's TX only.
LA is not far from here, and I've passed up some good deals for cars not that far from me because of my hesitation to buy from out of state.
Just call me a crazy old fart who's set in his ways.
I did. The car is in great shape. He has records going back to 2010 when he bought it. IMS was done in 2012 along with the RMS. He has a recent oil analysis too. Has it maintained at the Porsche dealer here. Original clutch and will need front tires to pass inspection. I would have offered him but my wife had other ideas on how to spend our money. Lol.
For 16.5k, this one owner convertible with documented maintenance at a Porsche dealer seems like a good deal
https://www.porschetysonscorner.com/...-17967537.html
Not entirely sure I follow your rationale. Are you saying anyone with a pre-facelift 911 cab should have just bought a boxster instead? I have not driven a pre-facelift 911, but I will say that my Boxster S and 911 feel like completely different cars. Additionally, the boxster is much smaller than the 911, with much less space for taller drivers. Never mind the fact that you get a 3.4 instead of 3.2, 50 more hp, and 911 styling.
Having driven both quite a bit, they are very different cars. Cosmetically, sure, they're pretty similar. But the driving experience is significantly different between the two. 996 has noticeably more power than even a Boxster S, and the weight of the balance of the two cars are very different, especially if you intend to drive it as a "sports car."
I have a 99 Coupe, a 99 Cab, and an 02 986 (with S engine).All very different cars. But the main difference in driving for a tall person is the 986 roof is about 1.50 inch shorter, and the seat will not slide back as far. Makes a big difference if you are over 6' and trying to wear a helmet for a track day !!! My helmet even interferes with the sunroof of the 996 Coupe. The 996 without sunroof will have a bit more headroom..
https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ct...712386304.html
Might work for a budget, albeit higher mileage, track car. Checks all the boxes - coupe, manual, RWD.
Debo sends.
Grabbed this for $7k cash this morning. Biltiens, H&R Sway, 18 inch rims and intake. So many upgrades. 1 owner. Every reciept.
Need to remove the upgraded stero with the stock and reattach the rear wiper(all included)
]First automatic Porsche. LOVE IT!
Was a beautiful Pacific NW fall drive into work today
155k on the car, 45k on the crate engine from Porsche. This was a tracck car for the first engine which succumbed to oil starvation. All receipts included with purchase
I paid $7k for everything mentioned. It's all installed and set to soft settings. I'll check the window sticker after work, if that's what you mean.
I've been waiting for the market to come to me.
I got the P Car bug in 97 while in my teens with a beater 73.5 911. Fixed it and sold(unfortunately) it in my 20's. More recently had a 986 S 6spd for about 5 years which was great at the track and garaged/sunday driven otherwise. That one sold me on cheap water cooled era. Had a kid. Sold it. Had another kid and started watching the 996 market.
Once I finally test drove a tip at speed and in traffic, I knew the I could stomach not having a manual. This morning's drive in cemented that.
Next up are two toddler seats and replace the CR-220
Im in Portland. It was on craigslist with this as the ad(no photos were included)
WOW! A PORSCHE 911 FOR UNDER $10,000!
1999 Porsche C2 Coupe Arena Red with Tan leather interior. Extras include Bilstein Shocks, H&R Sway Bars, Alpine & JR sounds, & much more! A bargain at $9995! But,...MOTIVATED SELLERS WILL CONSIDER OTHER OFERS! (This is a one owner/private party vehicle advertised by Auto Broker.) Call XXXXXXXXXXX for pictures, details, or an appointment to See & Drive.
We woke up at 6am this moring and drove 30 min to pick it up with the kids. They like the color. I do too.
Sounds like it was a great "investment" of $200k.
This is one of those instances where you wonder why someone would spend that much money customizing a car when they could have bought the actual car they were trying to emulate for significantly less?
If I'm looking at the intercooler right, there is no flow through the core. The air will go in, and then straight back out the rear-most plenums without transiting the cooling core. Unless there are some intricate baffles inside that plenum, which I can't see how.
It looks like it has some airflow.
I think there are vents above and below the intercooler.
But it would be better to have rubber ductwork to force the air through the intercooler instead of allowing it to flow to the sides.
Unless you're talking about the charged air, which then the intercooler should have the air internally routed through the core.
Prototech has been around a long time.
They have lots of aircooled Porsche experience.
Black on black 1999 C2 with 80K Miles for $16,800.
All the right maintenance done on it recently, rebuilt title due to a past accident.
https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/cto...714388675.html
A bit overpriced. But maybe they�re open to negotiation.
An early 996 with 67K recently sold for ~$12K here in Houston due to salvage title.
it looked nearly brand new.
I wouldn't hesitate to buy a Kia with a branded title provided I saw the damage before repair. However, I'm weird, if I struggle with buying a Porsche or other high end car with a rebuilt history. Maybe I'm the only one who would ever know, but that is the rub - each time I drive it thinking 'it's a rebuilt, it's a rebuilt'. Meh, I'm weird.
I am mistaken. I though the charged airflow was across the core from left to right. I see now that both of the rear plenum ports are air inlet, and the air outlet is down inside the front of the engine to the MAF. I was thinking crossflow and it is longitudinal flow.
I wouldn�t have a problem buying a branded title, except you can have problems getting full coverage insurance and trying to sell it is more difficult.
If I were buying something cheap to drive until it is not worth repairing...or something to race, ok.
But something that�s expensive and I might want to sell someday...nope.
1999 C4 Aero 164k miles $12,800 - the aero (taco delete please) and rims look pretty but idk if this sells for north of 10
https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/c...716526786.html
haha that sounds like a play out of Frank Reynolds play book..... Ya I wouldn't spend more than 6 or 7 but thats probably how much the dealer bought it at auction.
Hi all,
Here is my car that I am selling. I love this car and I am sad to let it go, but it's the smart thing financially for me.
https://boulder.craigslist.org/cto/d...714461643.html
Anyone in the Las Vegas area familiar with this car? A friend of mine is looking at it online and may go up to see it.
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=220612597
Can you guys educated me on why one would go for the 996.1 over the 996.2? I know the earlier models have larger IMS bearing but wouldn't the 3.6L engine makes it so much better?
No idea why someone would pick a 996.1 over a 996.2.
I have one of each, and I prefer to drive the 996.2.
You are likely to hear people say that the 99 is lighter, has both a lower IMS failure rate, cable throttle and lid release cables. Jake Raby has said they have better build quality.
The 996.2 has a stiffer chassis and more horsepower. I also think it has nicer lines, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Oh, and headlights are different, but opinions vary widely on this issue.
When I was a kid I fell in love with all the supercars g (xj220, countach, McLaren F1) but the Porsche gt1 Le man's car hit me hard. I loved its modesty and German machinistic design. So shocked that people were so opposed to the fried egg headlights. To me the 996.1 has always been a reliable realistic and beautiful 90s German sports car ...the .2 just loses a bit of that and even though untrue, it feels like Porsche bent to customer complaints with offering the facelift... also. I believe the 996.2 is when orthodontists started buying Porsches 😂
Buy the car you like. I ended up with an early build 1999 C2 and I love it. Both series have their pluses and minuses. If I was buying a 996.2 with an unknown IMS Bearing history, I would immediately address it. Get a PPI. Drive and enjoy.
Here is a summary list of the differences:
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...l#post15173972
It also references the Excellence Magazine article as the source, which is a review of the Mk2 when it first came out. And that is worth a read for more understanding of the differences. There is probably no well accepted standard for which is "better", gotta decide that yourself.
I would just buy the best example you can find, whether it is a 996.1, 996.2, or 997.1.
I found a 996.2 that was a great deal and jumped on it right away.
I want to thank all of you gentlemen on giving me the information I needed about the MK1 & MK2. After reading all of your feedbacks, links and articles that you post, I now have good knowledge knowing the difference between the 2 model 996. I will certainly pass this knowledge to the next guy who wants to know. If any of you who are curious as to which car i would choose, it would have to be the 996.2. Mainly because of the refresh front/rear bumper and the newer design vario cam plus. Not to say the 996.1 is bad, it's still a fine car.
That's over by EPO.
There are several body shops on that street.
I might drive by and take a look today.
It's not far at all from my route home this afternoon.
I'll let you know what I see if I do get by there.
Nevermind I should have check the current listings I think this one was sold even though the link came up.
Did anyone look at this 04 40th, I am looking to get back into a Porsche and this one seems to check all the boxes.
I know yellow isn�t for everyone (I personally love it on a 996), but if I was in the market, I�d definitely be looking into this one:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F232966554641
Completely agree, looks like a well cared for 996. Surprised that someone on RL does not know of this car. It has many goodies, I would love to know more about the engine work.
i thought the same until I saw one on the flesh and totally love it. But to each their ow. Regardless, I hope the seller finds a loving owner as it looks to be car worth taking care and enjoying the snot out of.
The yellow seems to be sold, but this unit appears instead
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Porsch...d=232966554641
40K miles, Manual, PSE, PASM, Xenon... 17.9K$ open to offerss
It is weird that it has supple leather on the front seats but not in the rears though...
The black 2002 Carrera on ebay is a salvaged title vehicle. Unless you like the pains of trying to register it and deal with all the issues from the reason(s) (i.e. flood, wreck, etc.) it was salvage, then avoid it like the plague.
Pull the Carfax - it's been wrecked. Extremely low AutoCheck score. 9 owners. 110K miles. No proof the IMS was changed out. I don't know... if it was a manual, It would be in range for a good deal. But I'd have to do a thorough PPI, before I'd dry this one home.
When selling a car, unfortunately any wreck on a Carfax is equal.
My BMW had one wreck notated on the Carfax and it scared away a lot of potential buyers.
Even when I explained it was just a damaged rear bumper cover that was replaced, I had people tell me they didn't want to buy a wrecked car.
The bumper cover was creased because the person who rearended me in stop and go traffic had a push bar on his truck.
It was a 2MPH accident.
I should have just paid for the $1200 repair and repaint myself.
I lost a couple of thousand just because of that entry on the Carfax.
I've posted the '99 before. I think it could be a deal. Vert/tip seems enthusiast owned.
https://www.ksl.com/auto/listing/5057770?ad_cid=4
https://www.ksl.com/auto/listing/4991724?ad_cid=3
Bill, that's the crazy part, right? The amount of love that went into fitting those early Chrysler 300 headlights I will never understand. I looked at the car for a solid 2 minutes just figuring out which part of it was a 914.
Maybe, but it doesn't say what year the engine is. If they installed a 350 from the same era as the 914, it could be a dog. I doubt it, but I'd want to know. Not that I would buy someone else's project, anyway.
Demod this and rebadge correctly and it's actually a pretty cool car. OEM Aero options and deviated carpet option. Probably a one of a kind. About 10k overpriced though at least.
https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/ctd...710881648.html
https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/pts/d/porsche-911-engine/6732923305.html
Not my ad. Albuquerque Craigslist. 1999 engine. Pre-disassembled. Listed as having an "IMS" issue.
Looks like a decent C2 at a reasonable price albeit might need a bit of deferred maintenance and imsb replacement if that�s your thing...
https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto...725784638.html
I was browsing Craigslist night and found a 1999 37k black on black, 6mt...in Columbia, SC I think asking was $21,800
sorry no link, I was browsing at work.
Yes, it's entirely possible given 2002 was the first year ALL 911's had a single row. I've worked with the dealer and Eurosport (both shops the seller references) quite a bit and would not question either, but of course, the seller could have misunderstood what he was told. Regardless, you have a 90% success rate with either. As I said, swap it out if that's your thing... either way, looks like an honest ad and worth following up on if you're in the market.
Thanks. So they have a car that only 600 models were made and this was a special order color and there are less than 20K miles on the car. I didn't know about the Turbo S.
Okay, I've decided I would really like to find a car with one of the oddball interior colors. Keep your eyes peeled for something with the blue/green/red interiors (any other weird colors I might be missing?). Bonus points for an uncommon exterior color to go with it.
2005 Turbo S
Couple
Manual
Rare Color or Paint to sample???
The Couple + Manual for a Turbo S will make this more desirable and "collectable". $200K+ I don't know? Above my pay grade.
598 made world wide for 2005 for Couple. How many where manual, don't know.
Yeah, naw. I see 996 Turbo S cars for sale all the time, there are four on ebay right now and twice that many on BAT this year. I think the highest I've seen one go for was about $72k, so that listing is by folks that are either completely out of touch w/ the market or trying to prey upon folks w/ more money than brains. PTS isn't worth $150k, lol
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-911-Turbo-S/323510625997?hash=item4b52bc66cd:g:j90AAOSwSTpbzNSt:rk:2
f:0&vxp=mtr
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Porsche-911-Turbo-S-Cabriolet/153226216083?hash=item23acfe8293:g:m60AAOSwwvtby4r2:rk:9
f:0&vxp=mtr
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Porsche-911-BLACK/332846661063?hash=item4d7f34fdc7:g:U8AAAOSwwB5brG7Q:rk:11
f:0&vxp=mtr
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-911/173617658487?hash=item286c6b3a77:g:SjQAAOSwrQ5b37Xw:rk:13
f:0&vxp=mtr
Not sure if this link will show up, but here's an interesting car. 2003 Cab NA converted to a twin turbo. Professionally done, but still: crazy.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...4c6WBN1kqMcA7w
Historically, auction data proved that the average Porsche buyers preferred coupes with manuals. But the trends are changing with the new generation of Porsche enthusiasts. It seems the 996 Turbo cabriolet is worth as much or more than a comparable Turbo coupe.
I LOVE driving with the top down! Heated seats windows up wind deflector up and she has a blanket we drive with the top down as long as we can! Even opn really nice days in winter! BUT I always wondered if my car does "sway" a little in high speed turns due to it being a cab? I get a slight "wobble" when I'm doing twisties. Never drove a coupe so I'm not sure if its the cab or the way I'm driving ;-{
I had toyed with the na-->tt idea also. It turns out that you can buy a low mileage tt motor+ecu for 10k, which is less than a na rebuild. The trans must also be swapped for tt trans, then upgrades to fueling and accomidation for intercoolers. The problem would be resale. I mean who would buy a car like this when there are plenty of clean factory 996tt vehicles on the market with a similar price point? ...So, if you go this route, you'd better love it because you'll likely never get your investment back out of the car. ...but that doesn't mean that I'm still not thinking about it!
that�s like the third time that one has gone through too! Such a great color combo and well optioned. If I were in the market I woulda had a hard time deciding between that one and this one:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...tchers_bidders
I exchanged a few emails with the seller. He is a nice enough guy and I believe he is honest. That said, I passed. 1.) He sincerely believes this is a $30k+ car. Other than GT3's and maybe 40th Anniversary cars, I don't think any 996 C2 is in the zip code of $30k. 2.) The IMS was done in 2013. It has had 3 oil changes since then. For a premium priced car, it needs all the records and maintenance must be spot on. Not so here.
Great exterior color, interior looks a little rough, but a pretty good price.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/c...748439723.html
I'm tempted to go take a look at this one this weekend.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/c...747491939.html
If it's as nice as it looks in the pics, it could be a lot of car for the money.
https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/...731110205.html
This one is nearly identical to overpriced one discussed above, but with a more reasonable price.
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/...727810952.html
The price seems a tad high, but it's a nice looking car.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/c...732792992.html
LOL. This one needs a lot of help.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/c...743201727.html
I like the black one for 20K, but not listing mileage drives me nuts. The white one might be the best, as long as the PPI doesn't show metal. Brakes on these cars are a piece of cake, I'd be concerned why he thinks it needs struts. For 17K, that leaves enough in the budget for IMS/RMS/Clutch
Man, and I looked for that. Not the worst mileage I've heard of. He's pricing it based on the things he's done to it, but I don't think 140K cars are going for 20K.
Seems to be priced appropriately for a C4 Coupe from a dealer. No pictures but there is a video. Paint and interior look good for a 2001. Don't see IMS in the Carfax but several maintenance items.
https://town-motorcar.porschedealer....aa29951s620928
Interesting that the description says " Commemorative Final Launch Edition, only 50 Made for US Market, Launch Code PAG-762 " I've never heard of launch codes before, some kind of special designation, still don't fully understand it, but there are a few posts here on Rennlist describing it.
They're cars that were built for dealers to display.
There would only be one built per dealer.
I believe most were made prior to the official launch of that year's model.
Usually they are fully optioned.
They're rare.
Says 1000 miles ago for clutch, I presume that would be the IMS time, but not sure. That car has spent a LOT of time outside. "no leaks" but wet floor in back? hmmmmm Headlights only get that foggy if it sits outside constantly(also gets a lot of rain outside too). Not a fan of the nose on it, looks very aftermarket. But - it does have the bearing done!
We got 4+ inches of rain in Atlanta last week. It seemed to never end. If it leaks at all, it would have gotten wet last week. Still, something that needs to be dealt with.
I usually do not like aftermarket body kits but this one looks exceptionally nice. I also like what he did to the lights.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...1-carrera-4-8/
I like the body kit minus the light masks. I guess I'm the odd ball that actually likes the 996 Mk1 and Mk2 light design. I wouldn't put a bag over it's head.
I'd appreciate your thoughts on this one that I'm planning to go see tomorrow. It supposedly has just gotten an LN IMS bearing, new clutch, and 60,000 mile service:
https://www.fisherimports.net/copy-o...ca-id-27027526
Do you think the price is fair with the work that was just done on it? Thanks for your input.
Ed
No affiliation to any of these:
Looks like a decent 03 Cab 6spd (IMS supposedly done) > asking $22.5K
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/c...745506905.html
To Good to be true? 00 Cab Tip > asking $10.9K
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/c...760416487.html
No Engine / Tranny 02 Cab 6spd SHELL > asking $6.8K
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/c...749219908.html
Savanah Beige? Front and Rear Seats (they look in decent shape) > asking $300
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/p...713322577.html
As others have said price looks high esp as we go into winter. I bought a really clean 03 C4 Cab in Jan for thousands less a few years ago.
I like the wheels & interior color. 2002+ means you get the VVT & a little more "go". I like the mileage... not too low, nor too high. It looks clean, well cared for, and stock (all good). Also, as others have said, spend the money for a thorough PPI by a competent 996 expert, but despite PPI results, I think the $ is considerably higher than market for an 02 C2. Make sure you check ownership history as well. No accidents and fewer owners would be best.
Personally, I love the look and specs of this car. If the IMS checks out, I would try to negotiate a bit, but lock in on this great example. Confirm what else was done during the IMS service (clutch, etc.). GLWP!
I don't think the price is too far out of line. Keep in mind a new IMS, clutch, RMS etc. Is about $3700. So it may be a $22500 car without the work, but probably not, anymore. Prices are rising. This car is exceptionally clean, has good mileage, 60k service, and full leather interior. It also has the Technic package. The wheels are not original, it came with turbo wheels originally, but these are the best looking wheel for a 996 C2 I think. I think even at $26k you are fine. I love my 2003, best sports car I have ever owned.
I wouldn�t argue with any of that. If you like it, make an offer contingent upon a thorough (real thorough... including bore scoring check/compression check - this will cost $). I went to �just look� and the car was super clean (mine is high mileage tho), had service history including LN IMSB, and I threw out a number much lower than asking just to test the waters, and the dealer stuck out his hand. Then I had to explain to my wife what happened to �just looking. LOL
It all comes down to what these cars are worth to YOU. And these 15+ year old machines are still amazing! I never thought I�d own a Porsche 911. Now every time I�m even in the garage I smile.
I agree with all of this. My purchase over the summer...'02 C2 Cab Tip was at a P dealer with all records and everything I wanted. The price was fair in my opinion ($20K), but I made it contingent on many service items being taken car of. They ended up agreeing to everything and replacing some things I did not ask for. About $4k in service was done, the price was the same. They want to move these cars, but the nicer ones will have a higher price.
If you are of the opinion that the $3700 worth of work represents a markup on sale of $3700, that would be supremely optimistic. From what I've seen, LN bearing, clutch, RMS seal job in the market means $600-1000 bump in value, all other things being equal.
Thanks to all of your for your feedback on this car:
https://www.fisherimports.net/copy-o...ca-id-27027526
I would definitely do a full PPI before buying by an independent Porsche shop, and will try to negotiate on the price. Based on what I've seen, $23 - $24K wouldn't be unreasonable for a good example without the IMS, Clutch, and 60K service just having been done. I'm not sure how much that should add to the price, but not the full value of paying to get those done. Do any of you have opinions on what to add for that (thanks docmirror for your estimate of 600 - 1000).
Whenever I see discussions here of pricing, there are always lots of people who suggest thousands less than what I see for list pricing and I'm not sure how successful people are in negotiating down that much, especially for a clean car with all major service up to date. I guess there's no harm in just offering something a lot lower than asking price......
Thanks again for all your opinions!
Ed
feel free to read the rest of my post for my thoughts on value.
also, many times having this work done is the difference between actually moving the car and it not selling.
Worn drivers seat, broken Carrera badge, needs new engine mounts.
Early build date so tell them "you know they never get them right in the beginning." (Which is false in this case)
Throw in the, "I'm afraid of IMS, borescoring, cracked heads, d-chunk, expensive Porsche maintenance.($500 oil changes)"
"Where's the glove box?"
Use that to talk them down some more.
Unless it failed my Durametric tests and AOS/Manometer test, I'd be interested.
Too bad it isn't local to me.
C4S for asking price of $44,500.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ngId=489668918
Unusual things (but of course a very high asking price):
mileage: 15,920 (geez, I've done pretty close to that in 1.5 years of ownership).
sunroof delete
not only heated seats, but also cooled?
Porsche crests on seats
painted console
no mention of IMS service, but lots of other important service completed.
So..... assuming somebody negotiates this down to $40K, is this now the new reality in excellent condition C4S?
This may sound like a great deal on a Porsche given it's a one-owner, low miles car; but, nothing could be further from the truth. M96 "garage queens" are some of the worst offenders of bearing failure. It boils down to... what you're asking and what you're getting are two entirely separate things. Realistically, this is more like a $35K car.
I�ve never heard of R&T Expo.
That doesn�t look like a bad price for a C4.
I know that area well.
Let me know if you�d like me to stop by and take a look at it.
Bruce
Considering its an automatic Tiptronic with rather high mileage and no IMS news...its actually not that bad. It has some desirable options:AHBlack Full LeatherM6ABlack Mats - Porsche letteringP04Advanced Technic PackageP14Heated Front Seats PackageP78Sport Seats w/Full Leather IntXSASport Seats Painted To MatchY1Seal Grey Metallic Top
With the sport seats and full leather. I haven't seen many Tip c4s. I would offer $15k and go from there, personally. Good 4 season DD!
You're awesome Bruce! Yeah considering it's from a small car dealer makes me skeptical. The carfax does show a lot of service and maintenance being done. I might take up on your offer.
Just let me know.
I'm off tomorrow and Saturday.
I can run by there sometime.
Weather is going to suck then, so it might not be easy to look over the paint very well.
It is about 20 miles from my home.
I kinda drive by there during my weekly commute.
I could stop by on my commute home from work next week, although I might not get to look inside and run a Durametric & AOS test (manometer) on it then.
December 14th is my last day at work, so after that I'd have lots of spare time, although it would be a special trip.
I�m no RUF expert, but I�ve never seen RUF wheels like this and they actually look more like Niche wheels with RUF centercaps. The rest of the ad is a bit over the top and the underside photos don�t look consistent with the rest of the car. Is this guy full of bull or are we looking at one of the nicest TT�s for sale anywhere right meow?
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F192749757685
Albany NY 2003 cab in Miridian!
https://albany.craigslist.org/cto/d/...767906805.html
Went over and took it for a drive today. Tracks straight and felt good. Nice color BTW! Guy really did not know much/anything about Porsches. The carbon fiber is cracked everywhere!! It has a short shift kit but he didn't even know. I like the short shift might do it to my car. Clutch felt "hard" stiff. Mine just flows so easy that when I was done driving it I practically shoved my foot through the floor driving mine again!
The car was lowered slightly but again he knew nothing. Anyone interested and wants more info let me know.
Throw in a clutch and IMS replacement and you're looking at upper 20s, which I think is in-line with the going rate for a well sorted C4S. Though that does look to be on the "good deal" side of average.
I was looking at the C4S in VA. Love that dark grey with the black interior.
Another one I am planning on going to see sometimes this week (because it is closer) is this 2004 C4S in NC:
https://raleigh.craigslist.org/ctd/d...769517475.html
I'm interested in hearing if anyone knows about these mods listed or general opinions on modded vs stock:
- H&R springs
- Fabspeed Headers / Exhaust
- Fabspeed Intake
- IPD plenum and throttle body
- Short shifter
- New to the car clutch / RMS (aftermarket)
Doesn't say anything specifically about IMS, but I am hoping that someone who would dump that much cash into mods would have fixed that. "New to the car clutch" sounds a little fishy to me though.
Thanks
Nice and
expensive
mods.
I have similar mods on my car. (Fabspeed intake/exhaust & GT3 TB)
I know people will talk bad about Fabspeed intakes, but I'm happy with mine, and know several others locally who like theirs.
We have no code issues, and I've seen no IAT issues.
Yes I've monitored my IATs in the
HOT
Houston area and my temps are not higher than other 996s driven the same route as mine that were also being monitored.
I have a 997 GT3 shifter in mine and coilovers.
You'd have to spend quite a few $$ to build a similar car, but I wouldn't add a lot to the value of the car because of them.
But I do think the price sounds fair to me.
I would ask about IMS, and plan on installing The IMS Solution if it doesn't already have one installed, which I doubt has been done or they would have listed it.
Yeah, I wonder about the "new to car" clutch, but I can think of several scenarios where a
VERY
slightly used clutch might be used.
I was considering looking at that one as well. I asked the dealer if the IMS had been replaced/upgraded and, if so, what brand/model. His exact response:
Maybe I'm overly sensitive but it came across to me as pretty rude and dismissive, especially since he is dead wrong about the IMS not being serviceable. It was like he didn't want to sell me the car if I was going to ask questions about it. That said, I
did
take his advice so maybe he did me a favor.
Sounds to me like he knows very little about the car.
Thanks for the response. Looking for my first Porsche so I'm still trying to figure out what to be on the watch for. I noticed in picture 11 on the screen under the tach it shows "!CHECK" is that standard or is the car throwing an error code?
That's going to be the type of response you get from most "used car dealers" - most of those guys take cars on trade or buy them at auctions and plan on a fast flip. Answering questions is not part of the equation (besides, they usually don't have any real answers - they're used car salesman not experts or even enthusiasts). He did indeed do you a favor
Thanks for the heads up. That's disappointing to hear, I inquired about scheduling a test drive last night and they didn't even respond. I might still head over there just to try and see the car.
Nope, that's for checking the oil level manually. (Electronic "manually" this is...real manually is with the dipstick)
I don't remember seeing a ! mark, so it might be telling you that the oil level needs to be checked.
Mine gives me the "you need to check your oil level" if I skip the automatic check twice in a row.
Usually that is when I'm stopping a bunch of places in one day.
996: You need to check your oil level!
Me: Yeah, I know I haven't checked it "recently", but it was fine an hour ago silly 996!
Me: I have the +2qt deep sump, so even if I'm a quart low, I'm still ok.
996: You need to check your oil level!
Yep, if you want a full history, don't shop at used car dealers.
They won't have the full history, and would worry about legal issues if they DID have it and gave it to you.
I don't think that IMS replacement would necessarily require splitting the case in 2004.
Regardless, I'd take a look and if it's the later "case must be split" IMS, I'd open it and remove the seal.
1999 with 163,000 miles on it for $25,000. Dumps thousands in it to make it some kind of track looking monster yet doesn't even bother solving the core problem (IMS) with these engines?
What's funny is that the seller puts the line, "TRADES FOR ANY OTHER PORSCHE'S OR SKYLINE GST-R OR GTR R33"
hahaha I think that would be a fair trade. What do you think? lol
Yea, it would take so serious professional detailing to bring to turn this sow's ear into a silk purse. When see one this unloved makes me wonder if the health of the engine is worse. At 145,000 miles and based on what I seeing, I would say this car is one little step above a roller.
Is that road paint or cement all over the sides and in the wheels well? The rest of the outside looks relatively clean but that is still there so its something stubborn. That looks like a restoration job in detailing terms.
Pictures looked ok on my iPhone.
I couldn’t figure out why y’all thought it was “unloved.”
I just took a look at it on my iPad.
Yep, looks like it was kept parked in the sun in a parking lot at the end of a long oilfield caliche “paved” road lined with cactus.
I had a work truck that looked like that a one time.
Looks like a good track/race car project.
A fair price for a C4S with upper 5 digit miles (60-80k) is in the upper 20s, approaching 30k. That's a hefty premium just for low miles but it isn't absurd.
Of course, with both of those C4S listings, we're getting into dangerously
too
low
miles territory.
I'm confused--I thought Targa implied it has a targa top, not a big sunroof. So if I take of the "Carrera" badge on the back of mine, and put "Targa", is it now a Targa?
LOL--the Car and Driver article from 2002 is titled:
Porsche 911 Targa
The world's most expensive sunroof.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...t-drive-review
Here's a candidate for my next track day car.
https://www.iaai.com/vehicle?itemid=...09&RowNumber=1
Replace damaged parts with CF body panels. Gut + sell off the interior. Replace the suspension with Tarret's latest. It could be Fun!
The damage to that GT3 doesn't looks all that bad. Assuming the suspension damage is just bent control arms and there isn't any frame damage. Even then, if you could get it for $9k it would be a great transplant candidate for a standard Carrera.
https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/pts/d/2000-porsche-eng/6774767894.html
Donor core for someone? May be a little gamble but damn the price is right.
D.
Here's an interesting 2000 in Chicago with 45K miles....tiptronic, $13.5K, and I just noticed it has a rebuilt title.
https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/c...776095248.html
Beautiful 2000 Porsche 911 996. Automatic/Tiptronic. 45K Miles
This vehicle has been sitting. Needs a tune up.
Lets start with some history: I purchased the vehicle with a new motor installed. The 996 was purchased with 29K miles. Current mileage is 45K. The previous owner also replaced the IMS bearing. During my ownership the following services/upgrades have been completed: Air/Oil Separator (Done @ Highland Park Porsche), OEM Breaks, OEM Rotors, Projector headlight upgrade ($2000), Rear 997 LED Tail light upgrade ($1000), Clear Side Markers ($300), Synthetic Oil Change, Replaced Cabin & Engine Filter, Oil Pan Seal w/ Magnetic Drain Plug, 19" Asanti Wheels and Pirelli Tires (~$4000).
Cons: Key Remote needs to be Reprogrammed/ Needs a tune up
Conclusion: Vehicle is being sold as is, please no low ball offers. The vehicle needs a tune up and is priced accordingly. The vehicle is parked in a heated garage downtown. Car runs and drives fine but does need some work. Thank you
Wow, I�d jump on that if it were back home in Houston, or here in Austin!
I�m in Austin at the moment and I�d pick it up if it were here.
My wife would just love for all our luggage to be packed around a nice Porsche flat 6 don� cha know!
If nothing else I could use it for rebuilding practice.
Practising wrist pin installation.
I wouldn�t buy ANY car from Houston Direct Auto!!!
If anybody is interested in buying from them, let me know and I�ll let you know why.
I�d rather take my chances buying one site unseen from anybody else.
I do see quite a few good deal cars from them from time to time. Never been to this place. Please share with us your experience with them so we can be aware.
Houston Direct Auto?
I wouldn�t buy anything from Houston Direct Auto.
They don�t have a very good reputation.
Check their reviews carefully on Facebook.
Look at how many complaints they have, and then notice the names of the people giving them positive feedback.
Most of the positive feedback is from employees (you can find their names on their website) and people who live in other countries.
Paid positive reviews?
I�ve known a couple of people other than myself who have looked at vehicles they have.
They were lied to by the salesperson.
They also found hidden damage and a recent paint job.
One of the vehicles I looked at turned out to be a flood car and they disputed it even though though they had just replaced the carpet and ECU.
The springs under the seats were badly rusted and dirty.
Don�t confuse them with Texas Auto Direct.
That�s a good place to buy a vehicle in my opinion.
Houston Direct Auto may have some decent vehicles, but I just don�t trust any of their inventory.
Someone could go in there with newspaper, masking tape and an anti-red rattlecan if the car checked out halfway - drive it away with dignity. Anyone know this car? Seen it posted a long time.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto...765809293.html
Yeah even easier! I'm about 80 yrs too old for that red. But why hasn't anyone driven that idea around the block? Like I said, it's long been for sale -- months? Silk purse possible from that sow's ear, or someone knows better?.
Achman’s link didn’t work for me, so here it is again in case you want it:
https://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/c...781103755.html
If you haven’t driven an X51 optioned car, you should. IMO, it is significantly greater than the sum of its parts. If this car has a clean Carfax and Autocheck, and it passes a good PPI, it is a smoking deal.
It is weird, because according to the building sheet, it should have PASM and PSE and none of the buttons are present on the console... Who knows if the X51 is still there too...
My mistake. Porsche Stability System I ment (PSM)...but now that I see, It is not on the building sheet. I dont know why I saw it...
And I have also realized that the PSE button is on the right, instead than in the left, below the PSM (where it usually is)
I posted the above car because I have an X51 2003 C2 also. Mine has a couple more options than this one, but I posted it because the previous poster is correct- the x51 is more than the sum of its parts. It's really a different car. a C2 x51 with PSE is very hard to find, if I didn't have mine I would jump on this. Carfax shows an accident but the car looks clean and is very good price.
my PSE button is on the right also.
As said before, it has the PSE button. Also you can't "take off" the x51 kit. It's not an add-on, it's part of the engine inside and out. Easy (and only) way to see if a car has x51 is to look for the cast aluminum intake manifold, all other 996 are plastic.
If you go to their website, you will see a free Carfax
https://www.michaelsmotorcars.net/ve...232776e95c6649
https://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistor...&partner=AMG_1
Shows 2 owner car (1 yr lease, then second owner), one accident affecting the rear end in 2005, one service record at Paul Miller Porsche at 50k mi in 2010.
I went to these guys when I was looking 2 years ago. Was not impressed. Car that was touted as very clean was not. I think they move a lot of auction cars through here...no history, no info, etc. YMMV.
All right a 997 but same engine right?
""everything works perfectly but may be in limp mode." ????
https://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/...790222971.html
Literally everything about that ad is suspicious. Especially when you do a Google search for the images and find this:
https://www.ccsmotors.com/2005-porsc...ra-s-c-269.htm
Wonder if its some sort of automated bot or at the very least its a scammer. I did something stupid once on CL and people got my info and kept posting fake ads for the same car I was selling. Thankfully it was just CL stuff and no personal or financial info.
I like my Targa, doesn't squeak, handles great w/ Springs, struts and bars. I like Red, that full leather interior is tired, price is for mileage, and dealer $$$.
There are better cars out there.
Not a dealer, not my car, no financial interest. I would presume that anyone posting here has no relationship to the car linked. Just offering up tasty 996s.
BTW, I don't run the
whole
internet, just N Amer, EU, and Scandinavia.
https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ct...788007300.html
He says the IMS stuff is crap. Well - uh, ok....
The seller lives in a very affluent area and it's surprising that he doesn't just take care of the 2-3k IMS issue at one of the 5-6 local shops that service these.
If I were in his shoes, I wouldn't do it either. That's a very early build 1999 (3/98 if I remember correctly) with a dual-row bearing. I'm in similar shoes with a Feb '98 car with 90k miles. Why shell out 2-3k for someone else's benefit? The car is priced very fairly at $19,900 - let the next owner decide what to do.
Well, good for you. Now go buy a few lottery tickets!
Ok, sorry for the snarky comment. My point is being missed. A high mileage car with original IMS is a criteria point for me when buying. Why pay that kind of money when there are so many out there priced better or with the IMS done?
Go ahead - **** me off and insult me. Just remember what I do for a living. Next week you might be a member on every tranny/fetish/auto-erotic/B&D/gay ***** site on the planet(or in N Amer, EU anyway).
*NTTAWWT
https://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/d/...782029639.html
C4, cab, aero, tip. Sounds like a one-off to me. Warning, she's been in snow, needs a good eng/underside cleaning.
Not Craigslist, but looks like a one year newer, high-mileage, convertible version of mine. It looks like it's in decent cosmetic shape.
https://cargur.us/rXv7c
A couple things I've noticed looking at quite a few 996 listings around Atlanta:
* I think every convertible I've seen has heated seats
* There are a lot more convertibles for sale than coupes
If anyone is in the market for a GT3 this looks like a decent deal - most of them seem to be in the 70's and this one has a newer replacement motor and transmission. No sunroof, the bolstered racing seats - great track car candidate.
https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto...778032051.html
NO affiliation, blah, blah, blah. I'm just a GT3 dreamer, that will never afford one and keep looking at them.
^^^ He had a new engine and trans put in after destroying the orig stuff on the track. AND - he then quit tracking it with the new eng/trans? ^^^
I believe him. And I believe the tooth fairy, Santa, crop circles, little green men....
Ain't nuthin' bullet proof!
Ya got something that's bullet proof, let 20 year old me have a go at it.
Now in my 50s I'm a lot more careful with my toys!
Near me what do you think? $20k
https://boston.craigslist.org/sob/ct...782758945.html
Lapis Blue with Savannah Beige Interior
87.5k miles
Tiptronic Automatic (the auto-manual is just as fun as a clutch without the hassle in the city/traffic)
New Tires (about 15k miles on them)
IMS/RMS fixed with LN Engineering solution
Upgraded Pioneer radio system with CD/DVD and Bluetooth. Sirius XM installed as well
Many age-related fix its already done including spark plugs, coolant tank, etc.
Do make sure that he really means that it was fixed with LN's "The IMS Solution" and can prove it. For the Northeast, it seems like a decent starting price....we're a lot higher than the West Coast from all my past research and recent searches. May be different once you see the vehicle and whether or not it is "immaculate" and get a good PPI.
Yeah, find out if it has 'The Solution' or just LN's standard bearing upgrade. Both are fine, but one is definitely more desirable than the other. I'd say it's a good price for that car if it checks out clean and it's the colors/options you want.
Are you specifically looking for a Tip coupe? There is a 2000 6 speed Cab in CT in Lapis Blue with Savannah Beige that I was going to check out until I found mine. PM me if you would like contact info. Seller seemed legit. IMS was not done but the car was a 99 build 2000 and he had it confirmed the car had a double row bearing.
Pros:
Not black, silver, gray, white
Mk1(better than Mk2!)
Enthusiast owned
Cons:
Tip
Price is firm
If I were shopping, I'd give it a look, and I think the price is competitive given that the IMS work is done, even if it's not the new Solution lubed sleeve type. Likely has a repl clutch and RMS at the same time.
I assume these are fakes (the dealer exist tough)
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ealerInventory
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ealerInventory
Thank you very much for the thoughtful responses. I am definitely looking for a coupe. Ambivalent about the tip. I have a manual 944 and C5 vette and part of me thinks I would use the 996 more given where I live in southeastern Connecticut, if it had an automatic transmission. Not scared of Mileage. Do a lot of my own wrenching.
FWIW, I have been in the market for a clean low mile TT Tip few months now, I went into it thinking the Tiptronic would bring a nice discount and haven't necessarily found that to be the case. There appears to be more negativity amongst 'BaT commenters' regarding Tips than there is with actual buyers and sellers.
Car on higher end of price spectrum....
One owner '02 in Guards Red with 43k on the odometer. ~30k. Looks like there may be plenty of service records. Unkown options (have asked for options sticker for giggles).
https://www.carsforsale.com/VehicleA...1548347662.653
https://www.rdsautomotivegroup.com/i...73/?dealer=rds
https://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistor...AA29932S620511
I would say, very low optioned. Even no xenon or front speakers. I don't see the PSE button neither (they claim sport exhaust). And for 43K, the seat looks highly scratched for me. For that price I think you can find better cars.
I don't disagree....just thought it might be interesting to see a one owner unmolested car for some folks. Turns out it is not completely unmolested....IMS was done, per the seller. Build sheet is, indeed, very scant.
WOW, 25 minutes from my work.
That's tempting to go look at!
It sure looks nice.
Too bad it isn't a manual transmission...oh and the price too.
While I'm dreaming it could be a lot cheaper too!
But it sure look sweet.
If that were near me I'd be tempted to nab it.
That's a great price.
Sounds like they've at least kept up with some repairs. (recent clutch and water pump)
Looks really nice too.
[QUOTE=Paul Waterloo;15600567]99 Aero kit, 130K miles, $10.5K
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/c...806070394.html
Just bought the wife an LV purse that cost me $2,500. To painfully put this into perspective, for 4 of her purse I could have gotten this car.
Talking to the owner now.... any chance you'd be interested in doing a rennfax and I'd toss you $100 or whatever? I see no reason why a roll bar and some weight loss wouldn;t be perfect for what im looking for here.
Lol, no idea but 30 minutes ago he told me it was still available and that we could talk further when he was out of work. I bet he realized he could get $14k for it....
This just popped up on my MSN feed.....03 Tip 4S Coupe. 23k with ~75k on the ODO. The only reason I post it is that it is the first I've ever seen that comes equipped with the ultra rare "Orange Cap" upgrade...seen in the photos, the dealer doesn't know just what a rare find he's got!!!! ;-) Former Rennlister's car??
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...FdhFDAodK9sOIg
Anyone recognize these rims?
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/...804590658.html
Cant find them on the 944racing wheel chart.
I am waiting for the seller to get back to me with any photos of part numbers.
Thought I'd ask here also.
Thanks
-Tommy
I try and mix up the spelling to see what comes up in the search. Usually just adds to the game that is craigslist
Porsch
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/c...806981784.html
Porche
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/...789661128.html
I'm going to try and grab these 18 BBS Sport Designs tomorrow.
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/...790353165.html
Should all the spokes be hallow(from the inside)? I see that at least one is not.
Anyways, the plan is to pick them up and possibly paint the center gold. Kind of a little dream to bring out the Arena Red on my 99.
Grrrrrrr. Must -- resist. Cannot -- call.
Oh hell, I'm too weak. I'm calling in the morning and setting up a ppi. Doubt it has M030, and no sport seats but the wheel can be changed to a 4 spoke, and it has new IMS.
Yep, I missed that.
You can order all the stickers from Porsche(via Pelican Parts) by the way.
I did that last summer when I had my Taco re-painted.
I have fresh factory stickers under the rear deck.
Makes it look almost original.
One of the decals has displacement.
The displacement says 3.6 instead of 3.4 like on most Tacos.
Me, too, Bill.....btw...where did they source the black hexagonal cap for the orange cap mod?
Dealer in Mass. Saw this one on one of the search sites, can't remember which one, had sent a note asking about the free Carfax..... 1999 C4 Cab with hardtop, automatic (wasn't going to post it because of this), 55k mi, 2 owner car, 4 spoke steering wheel, silver over gray (black cab top), rim option I can't recall name of (is it just a Carrera 4 wheel?) ...$19,999
https://www.milfordautoclinic.com/19...A_26605259.veh
While the car is badged and advertised as a C4...it comes up in VIN decoders as RWD....not sure if that is significant, have seen other C4's come up that way, too.
New headlights for 996
https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/p...804804268.html
I picked these up today for $350, brand new condition. Patrick, the seller is half owner of Dundon Motorsports--a P only repair shop. Amazing guy, just willing to help a brother out! He makes some incredibly nice exhaust stuff as well as engine builds, race cars, etc....
https://www.dundonmotorsports.com/
What a cool shop and people! Check them out if in the area. Some amazing stuff in that shop. I am still drooling.
Not in love with everything done on this one. But IMS done and it seems well looked after.
2001 Porsche 911 convertible
https://newyork.craigslist.org/wch/c...803384967.html
Yes, thanks for sharing. Lowpue has introduced us to Dundon, sounds like a dream shop.
"the full story for the build and why I built it was published in our local Porsche Magazine if you want to read it...
http://digital.nexsitepublishing.com...47-august-2018
"
They are absolutely a dream shop....Patrick is the nicest guy you will ever meet...he saved me when I blew my engine at the track and introduced me to Charles Dundon, also a genuinely nice person...They have become like family to me and I don't do anything without their advice. I try to get them to do all of my work on my cars when logistically possible (wish they were closer (50 miles for me). They are all "salt of the earth" car guys.
^^ great story LowePure!
im not usually a big fan of dealer listings, but this looks to be a pretty good buy on a well optioned and seemingly well looked after c4s. Not a fan of the spoiler (or the wheels necessarily), but those are easy fixes...
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F372350132387
"normally hate grey interiors"
Interesting, I say same about Savanna beige, I personally look for GGrey, in that it's cooler and shows less dirt other than Black which is very hot in summer.
I have it in all my cars, goes well with most external colors
mike
[QUOTE=808Bill;15619609]
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/d/glendale-1999-porsche-911-carrera-c2/6814644872.html
Or it is not a legit ad. Looks like for sale. $12.5k.
Also found this one listed. Not many details or pics but 6sp, 90k miles silver.
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/d/glendale-2000-porsche-911-carerra/6805813815.html
2002 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S AWD - $21900 (ORANGE)
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/...814799965.html
Yellow on black, manual trans, 82K miles. There aren't many C4S listed under $25K. The interior looks a little rough, but black shows every tiny problem especially in the bright sunlight like these photos. The description is only 6 words, but it looks like it might be a good deal, if you can live with yellow (it's not my thing).
[QUOTE=808Bill;15628588]
Not looking. Already have a c4s 2002. The red is really nice but the light interior would count me out. Was looking for wheels when I found that ad.
This has been advertised before on the Houston Craigslist, but just popped back up today: (I have no affiliation)
TPC Turbo kit for Porsche 911 996 - $7500
Brand new/never installed kit from TPC. Third radiator kit included. This exact kit sells for $11,500 new from TPC. $7500 obo. Will consider any type of trade.
https://houston.craigslist.org/pts/6817870677.html
I don't know if this one has already been post but I think it's a smokin' deal especially for a Targa lover.
https://austin.craigslist.org/cto/d/...783424681.html
Yep, but Targa probably would add to the value.
I wouldn't like one, I prefer a non-translucent roof.
I would prefer a Cab over a glass Targa.
(Hate the sun hitting me in the side of the head)
Most of all I prefer coupes with manual transmission.
I might consider a Tip for a second 911.
My wife can drive a standard, but it is hard on her old knees these days.
I can't be under direct sun for a long period of time so I prefer coupe over all but would much rather have a targa over cab. Targa seems to be more rare and I also think the value would go up a bit. I'm still torn between a manual or Tip. Both have their pros and cons.
I have a 2003 TIP, great car and fast when you understand how to drive, both hands on the wheel. The gearbox is built proof, don't under estimate this car good value .
Car for sale:
Rims:
seats:
New driver shock
Clean carfax!
Must have $20,000 in cash before I'll even show it to you.
No joy rides, this thing goes 0-60 in under 2 seconds.
Joy rides will cost you $500.
Never wrecked.
New paint on bumper, hood, fender, and driver door.
CarFax Guarantee!
That proves that it was never reported as wrecked.
Just see the CarFax above!
Hello, I live in Kansas City and have a couple of Porsches 993 and 996 Targa, if anybody wants a quick visual and report on car, I would do that. If you wanted to go further and get a PPI my friend is manager at Porsche dealership.
Thanks
John
Actually, those are 996 GT3 seats. I had them in another 996. Really comfortable and great for track use. And they have become valuable.
My guess is that the reserve was based on several 40th Anniversary cars that went for $40k. But, IMO, this is basically a track car, with an X51 motor. Too many of the bits and pieces that make up the complete 40th Anniversary package were gone.
Good to know, but still - butt ugly.
Agreed on value. I don't think someone else's track beast is a good prospect for high dollar sale unless it was driven by Sterling Moss, or Jackie Ickx, etc.
I�ll take it.
That frunk picture looks like an awd frunk... The gt3 was rwd. At least it doesn�t look like the frunk
in either of my rwd cars. Or does the 996 use a c4 chassis?
You are correct sir. This one says 'regular'. Technically, one can run the car on regular. But - not recommended. Are you gonna go get it? Looks like a deal to me.
That will do the job for those that like open cars, and no shifty.
I like this line in the ad, guy is straight up: Please expect normal patina on the interior and exterior which includes wear on seats - rock chips etc. This is an affordable driver - not a PCA concours winner.
I'm already above my Porsche quota with one
Mostly looking to see keep a pulse on the market should I want to sell. Happy to share deals I find for the benefit (bank acct detriment?) of the community.
As Hal stated, they are Euro GT3 seats. I have a set in my car. They are great on the track. They are more comfortable than they look, although they don't have a lot of padding. I will admit that the picture is not very flattering.
I've seen several cars on their site that have interested me and they typically have reasonable prices. Last October I planned to stop there on my way home from vacation to look at a car but it had sold during vacation week. It turned out okay because I found my 99 on Craigslist the following week!
Agree on both!
Yes. Yes you should have many. (me too)
Even though I just bought my 996 I still have a saved Craigslist search
just
so I can keep an eye on the market.
If it�s not a sub-$15K aero car with low miles and a complete service history, most cheapskates on this thread are quick to poo poo it. This is one of the better priced turbos I�ve seen lately, nice job finding and sharing it!
Quick, buy it before they realize it isn�t a C4S but is a turbo. And please make ditching those pimp-mobile rims the first order of business once you get it.
Respectfully completely disagree. I've been introduced to some bargains from this thread, and I know of several sales of bargain 996s as a direct result of this thread. I check this thread several times a week, just to find my cheapskate deal. If I don't buy it, doesn't mean I'm not shopping. I seriously doubt this thread has been populated with overpriced cars, however I have seen reference to some BaT cars that I found were not what I call a 'find', but I let it slide.
[QUOTE=808Bill;15679890]Bought in August 2018
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Nice score! Looks like you already have a donor motor for it? What happen to the original motor? Thanks for sharing the photos.
Anyone scout their local copart auction yard for salvage 996 cars? I have been watching a certain YouTube personality that�s has rebuilt a 996.1 C2 over the past few months that was found on copart. The Atlanta area has a few 996 cars available.
The one below has a wrap and odd looking lobster-claw painted wheels. But may be something I would consider. I�m not looking for a garage queen but I don�t want a basket-case laced car either. $20k is around the budget for me. Don�t mind fixing small things here and there
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/c...830010768.html
I am rebuilding a 995 993 convertible, black body, black top, Interior is going to be black carpet, black door pads with tan inserts, tan seats , should look modern
John
[QUOTE=Vincent713;15680270]
I think the timing chain snapped. The owner tried to restart it and caused more damage I imagine.
I bought a 50K mile mile factory replacement from a forum member ($6K) and it's running like a champ!
Black on black.
Very Nice, Low miles ( The full page C4S Cab ad at the time says: "The Hours your 911 sits parked. You don't those get back.)
Time capsule type car
I'd like to see option/Window sticker or better yet, who ordered it. It's one of those cars someone had a reason to build it like that.
Midnight Blue possibly,
P77 Heated Sport Seats, Lots and lots of dark wood, Deviating Carpet, Sav Beige, lots of Metropol Blue leather, Aluminum Shifter and eBrake, probably has Stainless Sills. CD changer.
Big dollar ask though,
I don't think it's worth $28K, but someone might.
That interior would work better in Carmine Red or Rain Forest Green.
That blue works better in Black or G/S Gray.
This thing has been for sale for MONTHS. Did see it once on the street. Considering how much it would cost to remove wrap & do a proper detail might still be to much $$$.
I can't figure out why this one hasn't sold. It seems to a pristine car from the ad. 6 owners though...
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/c...832798828.html
C4S for a steal at this price. Or is it? Original engine 152k?
https://nwga.craigslist.org/cto/d/dalton-2002-porsche-carrera-911-4s/6813514598.html
That owner would be lucky to get low 30's 33k in hand would be a really nice deal for him in my opinion. 48k, it might seem like a nice car. Its just too controversial with those options. Doubt Ims was done either. For some reason old guys and original owners never do them.
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/c...832798828.html
I am in the Atlanta area and I reached out to this owner and his response...
"I am a PCA member and currently own 2 996 cars. The IMS or RMS have not been replaced according to the previous owner. The gentleman that I purchased the car from had the car serviced regularly at Auto Europe on Piedmont Circle in Atlanta. [phone removed]. After speaking with his mechanic before purchase his recommendation was to replace both when the car needed a clutch as the oil had been changed regularly and there was no sign of imminent failure. When I purchased the car I took it to German Car repair on Atlanta Highway in Alpharetta [phone removed] to change and inspect the oil and filter and have them look the car over. At that time I also performed a coolant flush and fill. They recommended the same course of action with regard to the IMS and RMS. There are no oil leaks and I have not witnessed any oil consumption to this point. I have not done any compression checks or had the cylinders inspected. The car runs great! The reason I am selling is to acquire a 911 Turbo model or GTS."
KBB shows $21k (excellent condition) value but with a hardtop and carrier... not sure if it's worth $23,950
$16k for 2006 C2 90k mile 6 speed cabriolet... no accidents... too good to be true?
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext=RecentSearche s_false_0&newSearchFromOverviewPage=true&inventorySearchWidgetType=AUTO& entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c3398&entitySelectingHelper.selecte dEntity2=c5777&zip=30040&distance=200&searchChanged=true&modelChanged=fa lse&filtersModified=true#listing=227465227
This could be a scam. I’m always leery of ads that don’t state the mileage and have the plate blacked out.i tried texting the phone number, but it came back undeliverable.
https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto...834954255.html
Yeah, here is the ebay listing for the AZ 996... exact same photos!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2000-Porsche-911-Aero-/273702706099?hash=item3fb9f3dbb3%3Ag%3AD4sAAOSw02FcZjhz&nma=true&si=JoDn exnFZ5mm6QooKx55WxBlfxU%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p20 47675.l2557
This is on Marketplace
Chris Bullion
looks like a very nice car
February 28 at 11:25 AM
Porsche 911 Carrera 2
$29,475
Woodland Hills, CAOriginally purchased the vehicle to hang on to it for a while however things have changed and now looking to purchase a home. It’s a 2005 Porsche Carrera 997 3.6 flat six equipped with a 6 speed manual transmission, 96k original miles. Clean title, Pink slip in hand and a Healthy CarFax. LN Engineering IMS Bearing retrofit has been performed along with history of maintenance records also had vehicle scanned at Porsche Dealer to check for over revs, results are in range 2. GT3 style front and rear bumpers, GT3 style dual center outlet bypass exhaust with Factory catalytic converters and 02 sensors so it will still pass smog. Seats and Alcantara headliner are in like new condition. Apple CarPlay, Android Auto two 8 inch subwoofers both sets of keys, valet key, original owners manual, tool kit and Porsche car cover.
While I was looking for my 04 996 C4S, which I just paid for yesterday, I came across this guy:
http://expomc.com/listings/2004-pors...rbo-cabriolet/
I would have easily spent the extra $12K for the turbo but honestly, the low miles and questionable odometer thing made me a bit nervous.
Maybe one of you brave souls would be interested.
I have a question, when you guys are ready to negotiable with the seller, do you agree on a price and then go get a PPI and if everything checks out you pay the seller? It would make more sense to me if I get the PPI first and then negotiate on the price base on the PPI.
I would get the PPI first and then negotiate on that basis. Of course if you don't buy the car you are out that money, but much less of a headache than buying a car with major issues.
Good question. I would make and offer contingent on the PPI not finding any major issues (same as buying a house with an inspection). This way the seller knows you are serious and you start at an agreed price. If the PPI finds issues you can negotiate or walk away.
Thanks for the feedback gentlemen, if I want the car to get a PPI prior to negotiating, wouldn't the seller think I am serious about the car as well? It seems that most sellers are willing to allow a PPI but i wasn't quite sure on the buying process. I've never had to buy a car with a PPI, were mostly new. Seems like buying a Porsche is similar to buying a house with the inspection.
Last Porsche I bought with a ppi we negotiated the price contingent on the PPI. When the PPI was done there were a few minor issues, we adjusted the price accordingly and the deal was done. Don't pay for a ppi unless it's a car you want at a price you want, just like buying a house.
Also keep in mind a good ppi can cost 250-500. If someone does a ppi on a car I am selling, I am not really negotiating much if the car checks out or has standard small issues for a car it’s age... You already paid a substantial amount and spent time to look at the car. Your negotiating position is not great at that point.
My friend who is a Porsche rebuilder was going to look at it. He had a PPI done and all was good, his financing fell through, the color is great, beautiful car.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...7881/overview/
Assuming the car is as clean as it looks in the pictures and checks out okay mechanically, I'd say it's a fair price. It probably needs motor mounts if it has stock mufflers. If it has aftermarket mufflers the tips and need to be properly adjusted (and/or motor mounts). At that mileage you're getting due for a water pump as well, and if the clutch is original there's a good chance it's getting near the end of it's life as well. And if you do a clutch, you might as well do the IMS bearing if it hasn't been done.
Also, if you like the mods (wheels and suspension at least) then that can be a bonus, but if you want to change either you need to take the cost of that into account.
It's a decent to pretty good deal. I would be shooting for 24k cash offer on that one depending on carfax, maintenance history, etc. its kinda ugly TBH
Had a quick convo with the seller. Said it was using coolant for the past couple of months and then overheated. I'm not ready to dig into another engine and don't have a trailer so it's a pass for me.
Y2K syndrome. I bet the owner knows that it most likely has a crack/D chunk and is hoping to unload it quickly.
I would not pay more that $4K for this almost roller...Duct tape on seat?
NOT legit. Some scammer using
[email removed]
or some variation posts something close to reasonable, but smokin' deal and tries to get a wire deposit.
STAY AWAY.
Bet in the response they say something along the lines of that they're a pilot and have already accepted a position somewhere else and need the car sold quickly...through a 3rd party. Yup. Seen it.
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https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/...842321255.html
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At one time Porsche (Porsche Design) sold an OEM model like that using a real 911 (997?)seat. And IIRC the MSRP was only $650 !!!
Funny history on that one. He did not run a very successful BAT auction:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...11-carrera-19/
Been working his way down from 18.5k over the last few weeks. Think he's getting tired of listing it. Bet he'd take a lower cash offer to just be done.
Since the BaT auction he's put in the bearing, chain guides, clutch. I'd say that deserves some payback. If it were red, yellow, or cobalt, I'd already have it in my garage. Can't deal with silver.
I watched the BAT auction on this car. He got a little oversensitive with the troll comments and made many snarky remarks. That turned off serious buyers, IMHO.
BAT is such a joke IMO. Nobody can say anything bad, but people end up cutting up the cars, and then once in a while stuff just goes for crazy prices. If you want a low mileage vintage car and you missed it, just wait another day, there will be 10 more.
Just looking at the comments, it looks like he disclosed a non-trivial issue near the end of the bidding time that wasn't in the description. I agree with the comment suggesting that "remembering" something like that signals the possibility of other issues that weren't disclosed.
I read through the auction (and there was a redacted comment -no clue what that may have said), the thing he "forgot" was rear spoiler operation, that it did not come up at speed on it's consistently, however it did operate properly with the switch. Though any omission isn't great, that didn't seem like a major one to me.
I suspect there is more to the situation but hard to say.
This is an interesting one:
https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/cto...837917770.html
Here are the pictures:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...HM?usp=sharing
31K mile red/tan cab, looks to be in very nice shape, $24K.
The Porsche market never ceases to amaze me as to which models/years command what prices. The 996 is a tremendous value. Fun and spirited to drive, reliable (once you take care of the IMS bearing), and extremely low cost for what you get. This car looks very nice (of course you need to do your due diligence/PPI). I had a 996.1 C4 Cab previously, and now have a 2004 C4S Cab. I have really enjoyed the flexibility of top down driving.
Gil
I also just got an 04 C4S Cab. Love the car and got it at a decent price.
I've had it 1 1/2 weeks and I have received over a half dozen compliments. One lady even stopped to take a picture. That was pretty cool.
I'll let you know about the reliability thing (sigh). I've got a few gremlins running around my car right now.
Looks like a good specimen. Not my color, but seems to be well done. The wheels might give some heartburn but they don't bother me. It's optioned well for comfort.
Very nice.
Not that bad of a price if you really want an Aerokit.
I was lucky and able to add an Aerokit to mine for around $3000.
Mine already had a factory Aerokit front bumper, and I found a great deal on a used Taco, and factory sideskirts were on sale at Sunset Porsche for Black Friday last November.
Normally it would cost over $7K to add an aerokit.
That includes painting.
But my next 996 probably won't be an Aerokit.
My second 996 will have the classic look.
Wow, 996 Cabriolet with Tip and hard tops sure have gone up in value since I last checked!
I was wondering if someone put the mileage where the price was supposed to be.
At least he will consider offers.
I'd almost be tempted to sell mine for $48K...almost.
Here is almost the same car, and 2000 Coupe in Arena red (Burgundy) and a stick, with only 9,077 miles asking $29,900. (I think this one is quite an attractive deal).
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...Type=spotlight
[QUOTE=NuttyProfessor;15770903]I think someone was sippin' on grandma's medicine when they made this auction.[/QUOTI could be wrong BUT I have seen cars put up for sale where the owner was like if I can get this price for it I'll sell it. I mean I would sell mine for that too!
Even in the shape it is in, that's an awesome deal if it is a factory wing.
Even an aftermarket would probably be worth their asking.
If it were near me, I'd be on my way to buy it.
It shouldn't be too hard to fix, and I could have it repainted for $600. (That's what mine cost me to be repainted last summer)
I'd pick it up and keep it in case I found a spoiler-less Aerokit.
Yep, I just took a look on my laptop, instead of my iPhone.
You�re correct, definitely aftermarket.
Also not an MAShaw either.
Maybe an eBay special?
With it not being a good clone, and not in great condition, paying $400 is generous.
Came across this white 2001 C2 cab, definitely giving it some serious consideration... any thoughts?
https://winstonsalem.craigslist.org/...870187921.html
haven't seen too many in the white/Savannah beige combo. Recent maintenance is a big plus but it�s not very highly optioned based on the interior. Offer $15K and go from there.
Make sure to check the cam deviations. It's a cheap part but a lot of work to replace the adjuster pads. Will also confirm how 'meticulously maintained' it actually was.
IMO if it was meticulously maintained, there would have been a follow-up repair stating:
turn signal switch
fixed/or replaced
headlamp sensor brackets replaced
shocks replaced
...
To me, meticulous maintenance means NO deferred maintenance and no cable tie hacks.
Rare color combo, at least, out of the normal grey or black. Well optioned (sport exhaust, rain sensor and dim mirror, Champion wheels, etc) and well priced with logical miles.
I think is a good deal for those looking for 4S
The tenth digit is a 3. I have an 03 C4S and mine is a 3 as well. The 996 C4S was only available from 02-05. I looked for nearly a year before I found mine.
I think is correct. First year for C4S is 2002. Besides, this one has the newer CDR, with fiber optic, that was not available on 2002, so minimum is a 2003. Its a really well optioned car (PSE and rain sensor/auto dim mirror, are quite rare options) and a good deal IMO.
it was produced 10-1-02 and original sticker was $90,630 including "paint to sample", per vinanalytics. assume it needs IMS replacement but still a good deal assuming no hidden problems.
I've bought 15+ yota's here over the years.
My Brother is the GM at Sister VW dealership next to it and worked here as Fin/Ins/Business Mgr many years ago.
You can probably get some movement on the price if really interested.
The Kings Porsche dealership is across street, which I'm sure is on purpose.
2002 GT2 in case anybody wants to upgrade and has a cool $140K. It's close to me, I'll go look at it for you.
https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/c...876285764.html
This seemed like a nice car, but for some odd reason BAT petered out at $19500 today. Got to be worth $23-$25? I kind of like the burgundy top, and they did a nice job and wrapped the roll bar cover in the same color material. Otherwise looks like a nice car with everything done.
Daryll
for 56K miles seems like it had a rough life to need a new top. The pictures that you don't see, probably tells the story.
Why do I care it has floor mats? let's see the seat side bolsters, other wear points, close up anything on the body would be helpful.
Not 3 of the Hardtop on.
Does have some nice stuff on it though.
for 56K miles seems like it had a rough life to need a new top. The pictures that you don't see, probably tells the story.
Why do I can it has floor mats? let's see the seat side bolsters, other wear points, close up anything on the body would be helpful.
Not 3 of the Hardtop on.
Does have some nice stuff on it though.
Go offer $15k. They might laugh, but they also might write the contract. It's not my cup of beetle juice, but it is a 996 C4. It is not a C4S though. Just because they don't know the difference between a coupe and a cab, is no reason not to buy their car on the cheap.
Drop the sump plate, and have a very good look in there. Also cut the oil filter and see what you see.
I have sent a message asking other questions, if he answers I will post as it could be a good buy, no affiliation I live in KC.
Should have said new seals not seats
Why pay $18K when you can pay $23K????
This is the exact same one--guess this shop bought it to flip it.
https://www.hbiauto.com/index.php/ex...he-carrera-911
Javier Del Rosario Zamudio
John Daniel O'Connell
137000 Miles in the car now, the donor car engine only had 41,000 miles y have put no more than 3000 miles since the engine was installed Everything was change new water pump, oil separator, new alternator spark plugs, thermostat, IMS all the gaskets and many other parts, more than $10,000.00 invested.
This is what they posted back on the TX car, no answer on brakes, suspension etc and obviously not a new engine, its a newer engine, If your in TX it still may be worth looking at and doing a full blown PPI and see if you could get them to drop some.
That turd has been for sale for a long time. I think the dealer low-balled the original owner and bought it on the cheap then cleaned it up a bit to flip it. Get rid of the rest of the dorky spray painted accents and it seems like a decent car though.
Pretty much!
It's out as a feeler right now as I have some longer term goals that would like to obtain, has gotten a bit of interest, but not at that price.
Yep, but it is a nice one.
Considering the mileage and condition, I don�t think it is THAT much over priced.
I think it is priced where with some shrewd negotiation it could end up being a deserving top of the market priced car.
I have a similar car with a few more miles, but it was something like 34K miles when I got it, was $22K. I'm going to say it's not going to sell at $32K.
Here�s a couple I�ve come across
Interesting wrap color
2001 Porsche 911 996 carrera convertible manual
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/c...874296335.html
Classic green and tan combo
2002 Porsche 996 Carrera 2 Cabriolet
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/c...883294208.html
IMS done
Porsche 996
https://newhaven.craigslist.org/cto/...875842180.html
Low mileage black aerokit
2000 Porsche 911 Carrera
https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto...871367075.html
That one has been trying to sell for some time. Something is not right with it I guess? Saw it once on the street, personally did not like the "wrap" from a distance (@ 20ft away).
What, you mean take pictures outside the garage, take pictures of the engine, close ups of the front bumper, and vacuum the interior first?
That would just be too much effort.
A while back someone posted only one picture of their 996 on local Craigslist and it was in a dark 1 car garage covered with stuff.
No info.
I emailed them and it took them forever to respond.
High mileage and overpriced.
Also it was a long distance from Houston in a tiny town.
I�m about 25 miles from the center of Houston and people think I�m way too far to travel to, but they were about 60 miles farther than me.
I�m sure they didn�t have many people willing to drive that far to look at it.
It was listed for a long time.
I�m sure they never sold it and it is still probably sitting in their garage.
In my general experience people are just awful when it comes to selling their car. I generally try to go out of my way to make transactions as smooth and easy as possible but that seems foreign to most people. I once looked at an e46 M3 that was being sold on consignment. Wasn't inspected, rear tires shot and a few minor things. Guy wasn't willing to negotiate at all and his price was just okay but it wasn't exactly confidence inspiring he wouldn't spend $500-700 to get new rear tires and inspection done. I've looked at so many where people don't even bother to clean up trash, like fast food bags and the like out of their cars.
It blows me away what people /realtor put up on Web site to sell homes. I saw one and I swear there was someone lying under the cover on the bed. My realtor friend says she has shown a house and a teenager was still in bed when she announced herself. Said he pulled the cover over his head and acted like they weren't there. Or the house that had 8 cats, but AD specifically says Never had pets/Kids. WTF
My wife has been looking at house for past year, and Sundays its usually open house day. If the place is dump I won't even get out to go look. But on the flip side I'm sure everyone has a area in town that sells like ice water in hell, Houses don't even go on MLS in some cases.
To me, if home sell in hours, you didn't ask enough.
Pretty sure if you google VIN he was an active member on Porsche Forums:
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd...882728482.html
Targa:
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/c...872208610.html
Carrera 4:
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/cto...885164593.html
Love the color on this on:
https://winstonsalem.craigslist.org/...878072761.html
OK, if you could choose one which and why.
True, but I think they
all have some appeal over each other. Curious as to why Targa's never seem to get any love, I think I seen something they production wise they are rare than Twin Turbos. But you're right on the apples to oranges, just thought this could be an interesting topic from those with experience.
The problem I have with the targa is the profile lines. It's a bit off from the coupe but not as bad as the cabriolet. Would take a targa over cab any day.
That's the thing, appeal, you want a 911, but something different, Cab's are different. I've owned 2 before the Targa. The Targa gives you almost the feeling of the Cab. but with convenience of Solid top.
You still get the 911 experience with any one of them, If your considering a Tip, you've even opened your choices farther. Find the best 911 you can find that you like, color, interior, maintenance, and work a good deal. Not a lot of people standing in line for these, per se.
Bingo, is it a great deal ? Is the maintenance items taken care of? Good color inside and out for you? Are you going to be able to enjoy it right away, or will it need $$$ things done. Unless you do it yourself, this is a expensive asset to own. Even then, it's more than most.
I think its all in angle you look at it or as some think the 911 has to have the rounded curve in rear window. all are different profiles for those reasons, the basic Butzi shape is the same. No one ever asks, What is it ?
My back windows have the Black rounded curve masked in the glass.
The lines on side and top merge together, which is different than the others, as is the opening hatch.
The Open roof look through back window takes minute to adjust to. The additional 150 lbs, I never noticed, lowered CG anyway.
Shot w iPhone 6S + Lightroom
Thank you, It sealed the deal to buy it for me.
I always see something else I'd like, it's harder to pull the trigger on something else, when garage space is at a premium.
I am a huge Targa fan. I love Mr mullins Midnight Blue Targa. It certainly is special. The roof provides a whole different experience than a solid roof. The hatchback is super underrated in terms of convenience and usability.
When I bought my Targa. I know i pretty much just wanted a Gaurds red one. I waited and waited, ended up finding a decent one that I paid probably more than anyone else would for the car. In my car experiences, I have always
bought the deal and not the car. I have never owned a car more than 2 years. My red 996 I can pretty much say I would never sell it. I can't find something I can replace it with under 35k that I would rather have.
To be honest, most 996's are silver or black. When something special shows up. It won't last long. The problem with those three cars is 2 are tiptronic and no maintenance mentioned at all really.
That is why I would be a bit leery. For any car to be in 80% condition after 15 years would have had to been looked after quite well is my guess. A car like the Winston Salem one sold and BAT last year and did really well.
It even has Sport Seats. Thats the one to have.
I had Sport Seats previously, The Supple Leather option I have I like the feel better. The Sports looked cooler though. I think I'm a 6 speed guy and would be my reason to say yes.
https://baltimore.craigslist.org/cto...883335146.html
Here's my car up for sale. It's a clean solid car, it had not had the IMS done and will probably need brakes soon, in the interest of full disclosure.
Great looking car and wish you the best with selling it on and with the growing family. Just a heads up, I�m pretty sure the interior is graphite grey, not space grey. At least that�s what it looks like according to the pix and the build sheet pulled with the vin via the CL ad.
****. This is exactly the car I've been wanting to pop up for months now. Exterior color, interior color, blown engine, and local. And of course the timing is all wrong.
Out of curiosity what are prices of engines running? Would it be a good time to put in something like a 3.8 at this point? I see some mention a 4.0 but that has to be ridiculous in cost.
Used engines from a wrecking yard usually start around $5-6k and the prices go up from there to $20k+ for a Raby built beast.
I want to do a non-Porsche engine swap, so that's why I've been looking for a roller with a bad engine.
2003 C2 with 33k. $29,999.
There is zero useful information in the
CRAIGSLIST AD
or on the
dealer's website
, just pufferey text from a Porsche sales brochure.
I've never been able to figure why these mom and pop used car dealers always find the stupidest salesman on the lot to write the ad copy (although I know sometimes the owner IS the stupidest person on the lot).
So I had the dealer on this one
https://winstonsalem.craigslist.org/...878072761.html
send me a pic of build sticker can someone decode it? Am I missing the sport seats option code? Car has them but not sure if it�s supposed to be in the car standard.
https://providence.craigslist.org/ct...885890773.html
From the ad:
"2002 Porsche 911 Carrera Targa 59,500 miles.
Beautiful and rare combination Lapis Blue Metallic exterior/Graphite Gray leather interior in excellent condition. The Targa model features a �hatchback� style rear window and power sliding glass top with sun shade. The 3.6L engine, 6 speed gearbox and legendary Porsche suspension makes this car a joy to drive.
The car is equipped with all leather interior, Bose Premium sound, heated power seats and PSM along with the standard compliment of features.
I purchased the car direct from a Porsche Dealer that performed a full inspection and replaced the IMS Bearing. It has a Clean title and Carfax history."
01 is said to be the most problematic single row bearing. By the time you upgrade the IMSB, fix the transmission your pushing close to $20K. Then there's the "while you're in there" repairs.
Yeah talked to the guy on it and he said have to keep pressure on shifter to stay in 2nd and on decel it pops out of 2nd right away. Guess he's owned it since 2013 but like you said by the time you do all the while it's apart it'll add up quickly but on the other hand at least you can sleep well knowing first hand all that's been fixed. But just from looking around his 3,000 - 3,500 fix is probably on the low side to begin with.
https://winstonsalem.craigslist.org/...878072761.html
talked to dealer a few times and was sent the only information they have on it plus the service they performed on it. I�m high bidder on its listing on eBay.
Wow, that is as clean as it gets, beautiful C2! A few questions...
Are you local, would you be able to get there to take a quick look?
Can you post the eBay listing?
Did you google that VIN? Sometimes, the old ads and more info comes up.
I'm not a buyer, just a complainer. I see maybe 2-3 hours of competent labor written up there, and they were either charged massive amount per hour, or someone padded the hell out of the job.
I would say as long as you get a PPI and everything checks out it shouldn't be an issue. I would definitely have all the fluids changed, check all the hoses and replace the tires. I would say if they were unwilling to have a PPI performed then something might be fishy though.
This one looks nice too:
https://www.cuautosales.com/used-car...y?make=Porsche
Cabrio, manual, clean Carfax, quite low milleage for the age, and service records even in Porsche a couple of years ago.
The leather look like need some love though, but for the price, I think is a good deal.
TE=parris;15845391]This one looks nice too:
https://www.cuautosales.com/used-car...y?make=Porsche
Cabrio, manual, clean Carfax, quite low milleage for the age, and service records even in Porsche a couple of years ago.
The leather look like need some love though, but for the price, I think is a good deal.[/QUOTE]
I read AUTO
But the pictures show otherwise. That's why some cars sit so long, misinformation...Could use a good detail!
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Yeah that sucks because the rest of the car looks to be great. It's Yellow, OZ wheels, manual, and sport seats with matching color. But yeah needs a new motor so 5k should buy it lol.
Not sure the IMS has been done, it now says this on the listing: "
I purchased the car direct from a Porsche Dealer that performed a full inspection and replaced the rear main and intermediate shaft seals. It has a Clean title and Carfax history"
Yeah, I thought they replaced like for like. The ad seems a little confusing, he replaced the IMS in the replacement motor with the double row LN bearing? I thought by 2002 Porsche would be using the single row, or the larger not replaceable one.
Its unfortunate because otherwise its a nice car with some desirable options (PSM, three spoked wheel, etc.)
OK what do you guys and gals make of his one?? Love that it's an early 99 and has some of the good options but at one point seller thought he might of needed a new motor from looking at his past posts.
https://rennlist.com/forums/market/1139310
$17K would be fair. Not a fan of the interior color myself. You really need to see and drive these cars to know for sure. PPI and Service history going as far back as you can get. How many owners...
I'll admit neither am I, I tend to like darker colored interiors or maybe an odd ball color. But the wife likes these interiors and lite gray only because she doesn't have to keep them clean. Thanks for you advise on this one, it's fun to learn new things.
I would prefer buying from a rennlister as they are in the know, have better knowledge of these cars and are enthusiast. Ultimately they know how to take better care of these cars and that's who you want to buy from.
True, with exception of the one guy that made his own IMSB and never told the buyer...It did not end well.
The red car above is worth a close look if it meets your requirements for sure.
Good thread here:
https://www.renntech.org/topic/5353-...e-sn-decoding/
Your "665" seems to indicate an '05 engine, and the "AT" means it is a factory rebuild. And the "03" means 3.6.
Unless I am totally wrong...
No relation, but this seems like a screaming deal on a very clean C4S.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...FRRIDAodv88L6g
Only thing I can see in a quick look is it needs motor mounts, and silver is a bit boring. Throw the HVAC down to the bottom and put in a modern BT head unit and I think you'd have a hell of a car.
What do you see in the photos that indicates needing motor mounts? i dont see any mention of replacement IMSB in the write-up so assume its needed. still think the price is very good even if it needs some $ thrown at it.
You got it.
I'd be super interested to see the sticker on this car. It's almost guaranteed (from the factory) to have the small CF kit, which is the instrument surround, the trim between the upper and lower dash and the horsehoe, and the shifter as a separate option. I would guess the console, air vents and door sills are aftermarket but the look pretty good. The steering wheel is definitely not factory, it looks different from mine, but again it looks pretty darn good. I'd be all over this car, most dealers would have it from $28-34 in the current market. Law suit data from this year was a 4.5% failure rate on IMS, no way I'd bother doing it until it was time for a new clutch.
1. buy the car
2. Remove the front plate abd buy bumper plugs
3. apologize to the car for having its front plate on
4. get new semi solid motor mounts, I absolutely love my torque solution ones
5. smoked side markers
6. a SONY Ax1000 android auto headunit and relocation kit
7. Very nivce detail
8. drive it like you stole it
Edit: actually I think the steering wheel is stock, i think the flash just lits it up and makes it look different that real life
Nopers, even these non-mezger engines go to about 250k. They definitely seem to explode at 250k though.
https://jalopnik.com/i-dyno-tested-m...les-1788130306
The mezgers may be good to 500k....
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...0-miles-on-it/
Wow, so it sounds a lot like the air-cooled guys as they are pretty open to brag about the crazy miles they can get on those as well. Maybe it's the overall engine design that allows the Porsche motors from Air-Cooled days to Water-Cooled to go so long.
Not in the least. Most modern vehicles have lots of life left in them at that mileage.
But I don't mind rolling up my sleeves and working on the vehicles myself. It'd be a different story if I had to pay someone to work on everything.
For me, it seems that there is a point in every aging vehicle's life where it becomes more cost and hassle to keep it roadworthy than it is to just buy a newer example. Most 80-90k mile 996es aren't there yet.
Just curious, but what makes you say that? I see that repeated around here a fair bit. Often times it�s stated there is some greater correlation between low mileage cars and IMSB but I�m not sure where that really comes from. And other than the IMSB, what other issues disproportionately affect lower mileage cars?
if that is just your experience that�s fine � I was just wondering.
No one has facts to back it up, but if you hang out around here long enough you'll start to notice a definite correlation between garage queens vs cars that actually get driven and the amount of unscheduled maintenance they require. I'm just one point of reference, but both of my 996s had 90k+ miles on them when I bought them and they were daily driven. Both were relatively trouble-free requiring little more than your usual oil/filter changes.
An expert has warned, some low mile cars sit for years without oil changes, thus the oil becomes acidic and starts to eat away at various parts like bearings...Service history showing at least an oil change annually would make me feel safer if looking at one with low miles.
I think that is probably a fair statement. I also think this probably applies to most cars -- not just 996s. I guess I ask because I have spent a fair bit of time in internet forums and they can sometimes act like echo chambers. Opinions get repeated a lot and then the become fact. And obviously just because 90K cars are solid doesn't mean 50K cars aren't. But I appreciate your perspective and certainly you are entitled to your opinion. (I don't really have an opinion on this -- I was just wondering.)
My memory may be faulty, but I think it was Jake from Flat Six that has said this? He's a well regarded person who has a ton more experience with these engines than most people, so has a lot of data points to work from. He's probably seen more 996 engine failures than most forum members combined. I tend to trust the things he says.
That might be true but the difference between a 996 and "most cars" is the cost of repair. If it happens to a honda, you can pick up an engine for like $600. You're looking at 20 times that for a 996 engine.
One more point of reference. I bought my MY2000 C2 Tip Cab with ten years and 37,000 miles on the clock. I've done tons of preventative maintenance but only one repair - the driver's door latch needed replacing. I knew the previous (original) owner, who was meticulous about maintaining the car. He told me that the techs at the Porsche dealer would laugh when he would bring it in for an oil change after only two or three thousand miles. To me, maintenance is more important that mileage.
There are a couple companies that make 997 front end conversion kits. Looks like that is the fiberglass version and the fitment is pretty 'meh' at best.
There is a place by me that sells luxury/performance cars used and when I was looking they had a few with these front end conversions and they just did not look right. Fit just did not look good enough to pass for OEM.
Earth MotorCars is Proud to Present This one of a kind custom build 1999 Porsche 911 Carrera 2D Cabriolet, built to look like a 2014 911 Cab this stunning 911 will turn heads wherever it goes. A build cost exceeding $15,000 was sent to make it look like a 991. See the Video of this Amazing Ride athttps://youtu.be/pHkjVF0JMHcFeatures
From the description
I remember there were lots of early longhood that were converted in the late 80s and early 90s to look like "new" 911s.
I owned a 912 in the early 90s and thought about doing that to mine.
I decided it wasn't worth the money and kept mine stock, then sold it for $6000 and thought I'd made the best deal ever.
Whoever owns it now is probably glad I kept it stock, although I did paint it red. (It was originally white)
Whoever owns that 912 is one lucky SOB financially. Those vintage 911's are appreciating big time from one model to the next. The $6K you got for it is only a fraction of its value now.
Funny, I discovered the affordable 996 while searching for a 76 912 a few years ago. Came across a 2 owner (doctor to daughter) 76 that was in pristine condition for $12K. It sat on CL for months and when I was ready, it sold before I could snag it. With in a month the prices of the 912's started rapidly rising...Then I came across a 2 owner 996 TIp 60K, full Fabspeed header to tips exhaust that sat on CL for 6 months (went from $15, 12 and $10K) that sold again before I could fly over to check it out.
That's when I started my 996 research and eventually found my roller!
I love this thing!
Gorgeous color combo*. Interested to see what this sells at.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...carrera-4s-29/
* - Though I have a
very
strong dislike of wood interior trim in sports cars.
I saw a guards red in NJ go by me the other day while pulling into a parking lot. I thought to myself 'I hope my car looks that good'. lol
It is just too bad the red color car obscures the wide / red piece in the back of the C4S.
Can�t post on the Parts marketplace (not sufficient privileges?) so posting the CL ad here...
I�m selling a pair of seats for $400:
https://austin.craigslist.org/pts/d/...901285137.html
Graphite gray, plush/gathered leather, memory seats, with fully functioning electronics, off a �02 cab with 100k. I hope $400 qualifies as a �find�?
No affiliation, etc. just seems like a decent price for a C4S compared to last time I was shopping for a 996.
https://nh.craigslist.org/ctd/d/east...900552436.html
Guys, I have a rhetorical question. It is not specifically about this car or this dealer. Again, I am using this example only because it is new. From Google Earth, here is a picture of the current dealer.
Here is my question: Would anyone REALLY buy from a "Bob's Taco and Auto Emporium" type seller? At best, the cars come from people desperate to sell or from auction. In either case, likelihood of a decent maintenance history and records is very slim.
That said, there are numerous reputable and knowledgeable Porsche resellers, Autokennel, Holt, and AIC to name just a few. And yes, we probably wont find a smoking deal at one of these resellers.
How many find the potential cost savings worth the risk? How close to rock solid, ready to roll do you expect the car to be? Are you really going to roll the dice on an 80,000mile car and no documented IMSB?
Hmm, interesting. First, it's a rhetorical question. By definition a thought experiment not needing/wanting an answer. But then later, a similar question seemingly in earnest. Also, you have postulated that by reputation, all the cars at Billy-bob's hokum Kar Korral are not worthy.
I would say there's some coefficient of reputation and quality to be found between the small mom-n-pop sales places and the big name dealers. Here's the trick. Find the right car, at the wrong car dealer. There are plenty of horror stories about someone buying a CPO or otherwise glowingly represented top-notch car which turns out to be two chassis welded together, and the title washed between states. There are also stories of people finding diamonds in the rough. I bought a 968 out of the backyard of a goober who didn't know what it was. Had a box full of records, and after some paint, int, cleaning, tires, etc turned out to be a very nice car. It was just let go and forgotten. Is it likely to find a rolling wreck on a premier car lot? Nope, they will wholesale them because there's not much profit in the deal.
In the big scheme of things, there's a market for everyone. Even a bottom feeder like me. I try not to judge the people or the place, but the car. I also know I'm not paying top car dollar for a free latte, and designer waiting lobby with fresh flowers, and a fancy topiary(yes, I've seen one in a FL car dealer) display.
I agree with @docmirror.
Anyone this discounts the possibility of finding a good car at any place other than a dealer has a very different perspective than I do.
Personally, I don't trust dealers at all. I've been screwed over by several when I was younger and trusted in their perfection and infallibility. I've since learned better and keep an open mind about other sources.
In my experience that is where the real values are.
Absolutely, there is an @ss for every seat!
Doesn't sound like you and I are looking for the same thing when we go looking for a car. And I never said that a high end dealer was the only choice. I do believe that you have better odds finding a more solid car at a Porsche specialist shop like those I mentioned than at a perimeter dealer.
FWIW, a private seller is by far my preferred transaction. I am a believer in the saying that you are buying the seller as much as the car.
On cars this age, I want to "buy the seller, not the car" Meet the guy look at the car the records. Hear stories about the car, feel the guy out for any shortcuts etc.
In my experience, if the guys garage is super clean and organized and the place looks nice and well kept its usually a good bet he took meticulous care of his car too. Just like when you go to a repair shop and its all thrashed in the garage the place probably sucks. I guess I judge a lot over the state of someones garage. lol
These small places get their cars at auto auctions. They see a Porsche at the auction and get it for a good price. They either have dollar signs in their eyes and/or want to buy the car so they can drive it a little while they try to sell it. So long you do your due diligence and get a PPI I see no problem buying from a place like this. When they have it on their lot for a long time they a willing to let it go for a lower price just to get rid of it! I have seen several at these small places. Looked at them but was not interested. IF I found one I was interested in I would have no problem buying it. They usually know NOTHING about these cars...
The thing I find most hilarious about this is that the photo you posted is the opposite side of the street from the dealer selling the car. Turn 180 degrees and you can see that it is a high line used car dealer with a decent looking shop.
WOW! Sorry, didn't realize what a scab I was picking with this topic. Just wanted to know if, and how seriously, folks on this forum looked at Porsches on perimeter lots.
For the record, I went back to Google Earth and spun to the opposite side of the street that I had posted. Drill into it and you find a sign for North Bay Imports. Look up North Bay and their address is 81 S. Main. The company in question has an address of 84 S. Main.
I absolutely will buy a car, even a Porsche from a dealer like this. In fact, when I buy cars I often seek them out from places like this. And here's why:
I'm a lifelong car nerd, I know a lot about cars. I do my own work on cars (ALL of my own work; it's a very rare occasion I let a shop touch my vehicles). I trust my knowledge about the platforms I'm interested in and do my homework before leaping into a new platform so I know what to look for (I tend to gravitate towards niche cars and/or cars with a strong enthusiast support so there's always a lot of info available). Since I'm mechanically capable, I'm willing to make a bet on cars with unknown backgrounds because if something breaks, I can most likely fix it.
All of this leads me to my main point: Cars like Porsches tend to have a "certain kind" of buyer. They are looking for perfection. 1000 mile oil change intervals, maintenance records that include what food you ate in the car, leather seats conditioned with whale semen, etc. These kinds of buyers won't even bother to look at a car Uncle Bob's Lease Return Auction Car Emporium. Because of this, cars like 911s tend to sit and languish on their lot for months until some guy like me comes along to rid them of their stale inventory at a steep discount.
So far, I've yet to end up with any nightmare cars by choosing to buy things this way, and I usually end up making a little money on them when I sell them later on.
Or never got his hands dirty.
I get what you're saying and agree, to a certain extent. There are also plenty of sellers that will tell you they put on the latest suspension, special titanium widgets and carbon hickies. What they really mean is they opened their wallet and paid someone to do it.
You're first sentence is solid - I don't accept the rest as a sure thing.
Lot of good stuff in your post. Like you I am a long time Porsche owner. But while I wish I had a higher mechanical aptitude, I don't. I am actually more interested in what makes something tick than I am in the Wine and Cheese crowd, I just don't try to go fix it. Candidly, I am a little jealous of guys like you and the flexibility it gives you.
This could be an entire thread in itself. I completely agree but I would change from "buyer" to "buyers." There are clearly those that you described, others like me because of the feeling of executing a perfect turn on the track, and for others it is trophy. And no telling how many other motivations for buying.
We very well could be, judging from your previous cars. LOL
I had a built 2nd gen Eclipse GS-T in high school (the car's horsepower level was much higher than my maturity level...).
I also made my way to Porsches via a B5 Audi S4 Avant.
Previous? I still have all of them!
Not on the list are the two 1994 S4s (and a 92 Talon TSi). When I have some spare time - to fix the four or five projects ahead of them - I'll be making one good one from the two.
I am not a mechanic but i play one in my driveway! I learn and try to do everything myself. Most things are easy... some frustrating. Time and well beer help! Only thing I can't do is change tires and balance. No equipment to do it.
Hey! I resemble that remark.
lolz...
I bought a 1990 928GT in red from a tiny used car lot in N Dallas. I paid $6000 for it. The dealer didn't know what he had. Of course, it needed some love, but c'mon, it was a 1990 928GT! Not only did I do it once, but I did it twice. Just a few months ago, I found another 1989 928GT in the back of a used car lot. The seller didn't know what he had. Paid $8000 just a few months ago for a 928GT! It's now running and driving around in fair condition. There are deals to be had everywhere.
Not a roller but could be a good project car! Needs interior and some exterior work. Not a fan of beige or Ild be interested to restore!
https://westernmass.craigslist.org/c...901221720.html
Can't be all that busy as he claims, hell Porsche has over 200k for miles!!! Very cool wrap but seller seams fishy, can meet up police dept but can't have it dropped off for a ppi?
On a side note a guy in Lincoln, NE has two Porsches in this exact same wrap a brand new 911 Twin Turbo and also has a brand new Macan in this blue and looks even better in person. I always thought he had them custom painted but maybe not.
Dont forget no test drives either. How do people think they can sell stuff. He should send it to a consignment dealer if he is so affraid to meet people.
Sorry to disagree, but I was vehement on this point when I sold mine. My policy was, you can ride with me, we will go where you want, see it in action, and feel the limited scope from the pass seat. After that, we talk money, you put down a deposit, then I ride with you, and then we complete the transaction. The one time I blew it and let someone else test drive, he mangled several gear shifts, and stomped hard on the brakes. I told him to get out, not for sale, and left him standing on the curb.
Did u read the ad. It says no test drive, no outside inspection that its apperance alone should sell the car. Basically he is saying bring 30k to the police station and ill let u hear it idle. U at least took the person for a test drive, he states that he too busy to even do that.
The guy sounds like a pompus pos trying to sell a car that is worth less then most minivans.
I only took exception to your dispute concerning no test drives. He may be a real fem hygiene product, I don't know or care. I happen to agree with his position concerning test drives.
The whole "meet at the police station" stuff is a little much. If you're that scared of the general public, sell it to a dealer and be done with it. I'm sure tons of car thieves (in the sticks of the Jersey shore no less) have their eye on your bright blue Porsche and would agree to leave a trail of communications back to them to steal it on a test drive.
Ugly wheels.
As long as he let me plug in my Durametric or Snap-on, I would consider no offsite inspection.
No test drive, no purchase!
My prediction is he's going to end up with 2 Porsches soon as this one if going nowhere.
Yep, I'm with Doc and the Cap'n here. Being a weird mom-and-pop type of shop doesn't preclude a car from being a good one, and the beauty is that the price is always lower than you'll find at the fancy places.
Best vehicle I ever bought was my LR3 years ago from an iffy-looking dealership. Hashed out a very fair deal in about 15 minutes with the Hispanic owner despite a pretty large language barrier. The car was pristine, everything worked, drove perfect, stack of Land Rover receipts in the glovebox, and still had the transponder for the former owner's gated community on the windshield. Despite the LR reputation, it hasn't cost me anything but maintenance in the five years I've had it. Recently handed it down to my 16-year-old daughter--she loves it, and I'm comfortable that she's in a heavy, safe car.
Worst vehicle I ever bought was a BMW X5 M-sport from a snooty Audi dealership in the Twin Cities. The dealership staff was pretentious, the car was insanely unreliable, and I found out later that it was sold at auction and branded with 'frame/unibody damage' and it was a bitch to get rid of.
I don't know about that price. The miles are impressive, but I'd rather pay $8-10k more to avoid a car with red flags and third of the miles.
* The wrap looks nice from a distance, but I'd never buy a wrapped car for fear of what it looked like underneath. Plus, it always looks ghetto under the hoods, door jambs, etc.
* The later model wheels look nice, but the spacers and poor fitment are a turnoff, and I question the likelihood of them just being cheap reps.
* Aftermarket stereo seems nice but now you know someone's been monkeying with the electrical system.
* Cheesy Turbo badges indicate cheesy owner.
* No PPIs, no checks? No thanks.
I do like looking at interesting stuff like this, though, so thanks for posting.
Agreed - my 996 came from a small used car dealership that specializes in (mostly) high-end older stuff. Great to work with, had no problem with me having a PPI done, and then they worked very hard to pass through some really good parts discounts to me after we agreed on a price. They were very good to work with and probably saved me $2,000 after I bought the car in work I had done and parts that I purchased.
Daryll
Not Craigslist or a barn find, but. . .
Was at an independent shop I use for the AE's annual State Inspection. They had a really nice, to my eye, 2004 4S on the showroom. I did not discuss the car with them so I don't have any details.
No idea if the asking price of $37k is good, bad, or indifferent. But if you are looking, it is worth a call.
https://www.eurocarswmbg.com/showcas...AA29944S622108
Just found this, I have no relation to the seller.
'00 996 for sale in Connecticut
42k miles
6 speed
$18,000 reasonable offers considered.
https://newhaven.craigslist.org/cto/...910055259.html
Lol! I heard that there was cash returned from the invoice in early years if hardtop was deleted (it was an included item). Then it went to a paid option.
Here is a green 2002 coupe with the tan interior. Only 59K miles, and looks great to my eye. Tiptronic which I prefer, but the center console looks scratchy. If I was still shopping, this would be very high on my list.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ckType=listing
Tired of looking at this on my local CL, some buy it or at least least express enough interest to necessitate me checking it out for them, lol...
https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto...917143534.html
128K is nothing...This car is in great shape and I'd bet mostly highway miles. Depending on service history the past 5 years, I'd take a serious look at it.
Negotiate a little and plan for an IMSS!
Agreed. I�m no expert, but it seems care/maintenance are as, if not more important than miles. I just turned 108k on my C4s and it�s tighter in most every way to other 996�s with less miles I�ve driven. I guess folks are speaking based on investment, which is a non-factor imo as these cars will never be worth a lot more than they are now. Regardless, I think that car is worth 22k all day long depending on what other consumables are needed.
Is this as cheap as you think they'll get? I purchased my wife's 996 C4 Cab Tip in 2008 w/30k miles on it for $30k. I would have thought by now (11 years later) that they would be down closer to $10k with 100k miles on them.
Like any cars if you maintain it well it should go well over 100k miles without any issues. But after keeping a close eye on the market for these particular cars, that's just what I notice, a huge drop in depreciation when it hits 100k. I'm not buying a 911 as an investment, I'm buying it for the driving experience, fun and excitement. However, I do want it to be worth something if and when I decide to sell it.
Looks pretty nice for the miles, but I could do without the graphics on the side. They just don't look right on a 996. Might need motor mounts, too, judging by the pictures.
There's a 'floor' to the price of these cars, I believe. There's always someone willing to spend $15k+ to say they're driving a Porsche 911.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...0354/overview/
2004 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S
121,000 miles
Seller's Notes
Seal gray with black leather6 speed manual121k milesSame owner since 25k milesAll services done at Heyer Performance in Mountain View. Service records available.Recent new tires, clutch, and front differential.LN engineering IMS bearing upgrade performed at time of clutch replacement.Professionally installed touchscreen radio with back up camera, hands free phone, and amplifier integrated with factory Bose speakers.Very clean car always garaged.
The c4s is located next to the San Francisco Giants baseball stadium
Here is another sweet find 1999 C4 with sport seats
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto...916092480.html
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Yeah, I'll never understand how people expect to sell cars with ads like that...three pics and one of them is a closeup of the badge on the rear. I suppose at least the pictures aren't taken at a 45deg angle like a lot of them you see.
With ads like that, I always wonder, if they're this lazy about selling the car, how lazy were they with maintenance? At least he didn't end it with, "SERIOUS BUYERS ONLY!!!".
I am not active on the forum, but I am a frequent reader. I've seen this cruising through my neighborhood and from the driveway it looks and sounds to be in decent shape. If it was a manual I would be looking.
https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/ct...917577363.html
Looks decent. Don't know about Philly, but IMO price is kind of high by Atlanta standards for rebuild title.
Love the color, don't like the wheels--wheels are easy to replace. Nice to see the hardtop with it--might make the price more palatable. Interior pics are not comprehensive, but it looks like it's in pretty good shape. I always want to see a full picture of the driver's seat to judge the state of the interior.
Bottom line: If you like it and want to keep it for a long time, buy it. Don't buy it thinking it is an "investment".
If it were closer to December, I might be hitting you up lol!
Just starting to research the 996's. I want a fun car sooner than later but still have 2 kids in private school plus college after. 996's seem to fit the bill given fairly nice specimens can be had for less than 20k plus some work to fix/repair known major issues. Plus, I've always wanted a 911.
Not craigslist but this site has some pretty nice listings. Good for comparison sake .. and easy to find exactly same model as what you might be looking at.
https://www.carstory.com/cars/make-p...004&sort=price
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I am -- conflicted. Normally, I wouldn't post up something that is so pricey. But, this seems to be the outlier. I guess for the buyer who wants ultra-low miles.
https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/ctd...924144095.html
It's a good color and seems to be in good condition, but there's nothing special about it beyond that. The chrome wheels are atrocious and it's not highly optioned, for sure. I'd just as soon buy something with more miles for 1/3 less...
I am of the same opinion(hence, the 'conflicted' comment). However, there are folk who value very low miles over everything else. Combined with the non-black, sliver, gray color I thought it merited a bit of publicity. Hope that's ok.
New here as well, and I agree. It's very low miles and looks to be in very good condition, but not worth 10-15k premium over other examples out there based on what I can see. At least, not to me!
Looks like a REALLY nice deal there. Space grey is SO much better than Graphite AND this one is full leather. Midnight Blue doesn't hurt too bad, nor does the IMSB replacement. And there's worse places to be this time of year than Destin. Jeez, think i've just talked myself into a trip to the beach and a second 996, lol.
Unfortunately that car is long gone. Inquired about it a week ago and they said it had sold. I bet it's still up just to collect the email addresses. :/
Jade green interior, plus this one has a special feature that is rarely found: "Automatic, tiptronic so no IMS failure."
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/...934016031.html
too bad it's on the west coast--I'm looking for a cheap one to put on the track. I suspect this one is in pretty rough shape at that price, so it might be a good one to sacrifice to the track.
I have called about this car. It has a decent scrape on the driver quarter with clearcoat peel. Headliner is loose in a spot, missing arm rest on door card. Muffler delete, and a maybe IMS change 20k ago but no record of it.
Looking at BAT I saw this 2002 cabriolet 996 just sold for $30,000 ,not turbo . There are comments that others were
willing to raise the bid but a glitch in bidding wouldn't let them. I read the info several times to see if I was missing
something to justify the cost .I would like the values to increase but WTF?
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...11-carrera-30/
Heavy person getting in and out rubbing against it. I am careful when I get in mine NOT to rub the bolster! This car had people that wanted those exact features and color and were willing to pay for it!
Could not agree more. Is it worth the asking price? Well probably actually. You�re buying a time capsule. A REALLY GOOD vessel too but it still needs to be low to mid thirties price wise.
Yea but its mostly a trackish car with good parts. I think its a good price for a fun, needs nothing autox car. The salvage title doesnt really hurt this car in this catagory as a lot of these cars get moved more to "race car" because of the salvage title. As a stock survivor their value is much lower. Glwts.
Agreed.
i just picked up my clean title 996 from a private seller with 101k on the clock for $15k, IMS, RMS, etc all taken care of within 10k miles. Manual c2 coupe.
Unless you left out a bunch of stuff, that salvage title car has 10k worth up track upgrades over yours, so you're valuing $5k for a clean title for a mainly track car (if you�re comparing apples to apples), so it�s debatable. Also happens to be a nice color combo.
Based on its build and intended use, I�d say it�s a reasonable asking price and should sell close to it (perhaps $18.5k cash including a PPI that reveals little to be done).
And if the seller is able to confirm no lingering issues from the flood and a PPI reveals nothing to the contrary, a salvage title isn�t a deal breaker in my mind. I personally don�t look at these cars as an investment, so the only place this hurts you is on resale. The car as it sits caters to a niche market that likely feels the same. Just my opinion.
I have been keeping my eyes open for a top close to Kansas City but the only thing I have seen have been around $1000. Dallas is more reasonable I guess.
I didn't even read the text - the appearance is so hideous, I couldn't get past that.
But now that you bring it up - it also has a new
ACL bearing
! What is that? Anterior cruciate ligament? Oh and
new bets
.
Good possibility. Still a fail. I was thinking maybe it was an attempt to claim the IMS bearing was replaced. Maybe the 3.2 engines are immune?
It's going to take a very
special person
to think that is worth buying. Especially at that price.
Hello-
I purchased that car from viewing it here on this forum, so thank you. Very Clean, a great seller and it's now in Nashville, TN. My profile photo shows it below the Center Hill Dam. Glad to be a part of Rennlist and thanks (again) for the heads up on this car!
[QUOTE=Scott at Team Harco;15992546]Reminds me of a clown car.
Specifically, this clown...
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LOL!
Seller responded and tried to educate me on the ABC bearing and it's failure rates...
That is such a good deal! I like the lightweight Carrera wheels also. But black interior with silver exterior would be a bit better, and too bad it doesn't have an LSD or litrnonics (or 3 spoke steering wheel but that's getting a bit picky). Still, so cheap!
Trust me, you know more than he does!
His reply to my response...You are correct. It is the bearings that hold the cam shaft. Sorry. I will edit ad.
You are also right. The engine that come in the 2003 was a 3.6 L and the same engine I had a replacement engine put in. A 3.6L.
Come take a look at it.
Rees Morgan
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If I bought that, I would have come out far ahead of where I'm at now. But it's silver and I wanted black as a keeper. Plus I got 0.2 more liters and mine has 1/2 the mileage, so the interior and paint are in great shape.
If it's as-advertised (and with no damage history) it would be a reasonable price in the Atlanta market for a coupe.
Not a particularly flattering image is it? I think the ad would be better with more presentation of this piece of art....
You can't hide on the internet, Mr. Morgan.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/p...l-118050.html#
I wonder if that price is negotiable?
Rebuilt title, but otherwise looks like good cheap fun and a nice color combo. Might be worth a call to anyone looking for a budget cab...
https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto...940413166.html
Turbo S for $49,999...Oh wait...it's a Carrera S.
https://worcester.craigslist.org/cto...931564413.html
Just say no to badging your car with badges from a different model.
Sometimes I wonder if being a COMPLETE fem hygiene product flexible container works for 911 sellers. Even if I wanted his car(I don't), his ad would make me run Forest run!
I can't imagine it helps. I also assume that kind of "personality" is one who would hide things that might be wrong with the car. I might be assuming too much but I can't help but not trusting someone with that kind of attitude.
OTOH, I advertise a fair number of rental homes on CL. In my ad I clearly state that the reply needs to have # adults, # kids, pets, and length of term. I also put in the ad that if they are reading this ad, it is avail. Without fail, I get a one line email, usually from an iPhone that says "is it still available?" I reply that if they can't bother to reply correctly, they are likely not suitable tenants, and that has solved a LOT of my 'bad tenant' issues over the years.
So - I get where he's coming from but seems he's raised the bar on douchbaggery to a new level.
Yeah, no joke there. At least the pictures aren't all taken at a 45deg angle like some of the younger people do these days, but the seller still sounds like he's high on himself.
For some reason I've always wanted a 'total beater' 911 that I didn't have to worry about dinging or scratching.
Possibly, or it could just take some minor work and work just fine for years. At this price you're just gambling, but there are lots of interesting options in the $8-10k range if you can stomach some problems. Lately I've been considering one of the V10 Audi S6s but I just don't need any more cars.
I recently took the plunge and bought a 1999 Cabriolet that had a salvage title (Theft recovery) it is a long way from being a beater but I figured fo $9k I would take a chance. It is a fun daily driver and will keep me occupied until I run across the perfect 997.
If this one had been available I would have been all over it. A little work and it will be worth more and you can just have fun with it for a while.
Not far from my car. It's certainly not a beater - but it doesn't get babied either. Considering what I paid for it, it's only slightly less expendable than the rest of my "fleet".
I haven't taken to using it as a farm vehicle yet, but it does get used for hauling engine parts back and forth to my engine shop. Oh, and laying out RallyCross courses...
Is there anyone from the Seattle area who can recommend a PPI location or can check these two out? After 6 months I am back in the 911 market and have a week from the end of my internship and the start of my college and would love to do a drive across the country. I bought a BMW e39 540it in the spring (current daily driver) and want back into a 911. Links are pasted below
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/c...929382394.html
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https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/c...928097478.html
I prefer the c2 in green over the c4 blue one
I was considering looking at these but I don't need another car🤗
Since both of these are south of Seattle, I would take it to Dundon Motorsports....they built my 996 and no their stuff. Charles and Jacob are two of the best engine guys in the country.
Going solely off the ads, I would go for the green one. It has higher mileage, but looks to be have been cared for much better than the blue one. The blue one looks pretty hammered.
And, the blue is a 2001 with presumably the factory single row IMSB, reportedly prone to failure.
The green car was advertised for weeks as a 1999, but now says 2000. Which is it? 1999 cars had dual row IMSB which reportedly dodged the bullet on bearing failure and total engine destruction, whereas some 2000 and later cars had the bad single row bearing. One poster here has said he checked on the green car's IMSB reportedly done 20K miles ago, but found no proof of the claimed work. Given the stakes, I'd try and contact the prior owner for verification, where the work was done, and then contact them.
Green one is a 2000 according to VIN check. Carfax shows a couple of accidents! No indication of IMSB done so without proof consider it not done. Gorgeous color though!
I really think buying a cheap 996 from a car lot is a bad idea, look for an enthusiast owned car and you'll come out ahead 9 times out of 10.
I too think the green is in better shape. I can almost guarantee either car will need some money put into them. Do you have the extra $5K?
What's your budget?
Pre-listing alert
Anyone looking for a 99 factory aero kit with 167k? I purchased a few years ago and realized I don't drive it enough to justify keeping it. It's in fair/good cosmetic condition, Silver over Boxster red with full leather interior with draped seats. New clutch, slave cyl, and flywheel. Water pump was replaced at around 140k. I did not replace the IMS because the engine made it this far without destroying itself it's probably not going to. Blackstone report was done when I got the car, and indicated no cause for alarm.
I'll update when I have in on FB and CL with pictures.
I considered looking at the Carrera S he has up but I find the ads a bit sketchy. Decided against it.
I figure if you get to the point that you are selling a salvage/repairable car on CL then anyone who knows how to fix these things has already looked at it and turned it down. The cars are probably hiding more damage than the pictures show.
One man's trash is another man's treasure. A manual turbo for $30k? Sweet! Depends on your risk tolerance. If it was a gt3, I'd own it already for parts.
Depends on what the definition of rainwater is. Completely submerged in the water I would run for the hills at $30k, this thing will never be right again.
https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/...947709890.html
i think i posted this previously but i see its recently been listed again. great color, might go low ball this one.
I've seen this one pop up for a while now. The car looks good in the pics but I think the asking price is way off for a rebuilt title cab. I sold a 2004 cab for a detailing client of mine for $22.5k in the same market, it did have 60k miles on it but it was in excellent mechanical and cosmetic condition. I think this is a 15-18k car with a rebuilt title IMO.
I agree. I purchased a 1999 C2 Cab in very good condition with 78K miles for $9k because of the prior salvage on the title. It was a theft recovery with no damage when it was stolen but it still has the branded title. Unless he finds someone that plans on keeping it a very long time he probably wont get more than $15k for it. IMHO
"Rebuilt title for a super light collision"
ummm, yeah, right. They throw around salvage titles for "super light collisions" all the time.
i'm not against salvage title vehicles but I wouldn't trust that seller as far as i could throw him.
Dont trust, verify! My Indy is 28 minutes away, i might take seller up on his offer. Drop the pan, get thorough PPI. Title doesn�t bother me if it checks out mechanically. This car apparently isnt going anywhere quickly. Worst case i get to test drive a cab 4, see how it feels vs my c4s coupe. Will update.
It looks like they had to do some panel beating on the front right side of the tub. There are too many straight ones to buy that unless it is deeply discounted.
Damage on the red one doesn't look that bad, panel gaps in the before pic look good everywhere else, tub damage isn't the end of the world. Not hard to total a 15 year old Porsche, OEM parts are not cheap and neither is labor. That being said, IMO he is still asking way to close to retail for a clean titled car.
Not that it's a big deal but... the rear "spoiler wall" is torn under the spoiler... That tends to happen on cars that have lived in cold climates/driven without much warm up. Spoiler moves up while the rubber is still cold, and it splits.
That actually sounds like an amazing deal (assuming your ppi and history check shows a clean bill of health). I usually only see Tiptronic turbos in this price range, and this is the more desirable (to me) manual.
Yuck! It's in poor shape. The original front Turbo bumper has been replaced with a base Carrera front bumper, the seats are crap, the headlight are oxidized badly, No telling what mystery is behind the bumper swap. Probably an accident that didn't make it to Carfax. Plus, it's an automatic with 127,000 miles on it. I'd move on unless someone likes an expensive project.
I agree, that's a horrifying project. The wood trim is the icing on the cake.
The money needed to get it back to snuff would probably be more than just buying a well sorted tip turbo.
Horrifying? That's a remarkably cheap/easy project car if everything else checks out. It's a hard-loaded Turbo for less than $28k asking. While the front bumper and the seats need sorting, they don't get any cheaper...that is, any other 996TT for this money will need more work than that.
Maybe if it was listed for $20k then could think about it. Why get a basketcase car like that when for a few grand more there are cars like this:
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...6369/overview/
How much would cost a manual conversion?. I mean, the difference between the tips, and the manuals, in turbos is getting crazy. That unit, could go for 10K more if it was manual (or even more). I guess the problem is to find a Turbo manual gearbox in good shape...
The 996TT market is in the $35-50k range. There would be no reason to sell one that needs minor work for $20k.
Define 'basketcase'. We know one of those cars needs a new bumper cover ($500) and the seats to be recovered/replaced ($1-2k). I'd probably replace the center console, too ($250). Those aren't major problems.
I personally think the $33k car is a little underpriced, and the dealer is no-haggle so you're probably not getting it any cheaper. The FB car could probably be had for $25k. There's a floor on the pricing for a 911 Turbo, and the FB car is basically at it.
Don't "poo-poo" on Turbo's with a Tip. I would rather have a TT with a Tip than a 6mt. The huge torque produced by the Turbo is not fun to shift gears in IMO. Yes, I enjoy rowing-the-gears in a low torque/high hp/rpm N/A motor, but in a high torque or big block engine, not so much...
Noo! Let them keep driving the price of autos down. Kidding.. but seriously, auto 996tt is the cheapest way to get into a water cooled Mezger. Think of it like the swiss army knife of sports cars, you can commute comfortably, turn corners, and run pretty quick 1/4 mile times (if that's your thing). Like an early 2000's GTR, but lighter.
Don't know the deets, but a low mileage interesting color combo (red on grey) that just needs a transmission.
https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/c...960156181.html
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...1258623000704/
Same guy selling the flooded TT manual. Im not sure if this is a decent deal. I guess it depends what else is damaged.
I have a couple of trusted salvage places: Quality Porsche Parts and Norspec dismantling. They offer a limited warranty, but everything I've purchased from them has been great.
Have you ever ordered something from Norspec and received a similar item, not the exact one you ordered? That's happened to me twice. Not buying from them again.
Hmmmm....I am surprised, much of the parts in my 996 rebuild are from NorSpec and as a result I have become friends with them....i am sure they would want to know. I will reach out.
Yea....I was wondering that, it's local to me and I haven't been checking in the past few weeks. Car content: My wife's new car! 2019 Audi SQ5! Brand new! Picked it up last Friday, really awesome car.
I did email the seller. He said the transmission was missing and that the car could not be started. Without knowing if the engine was good I would pass.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/c...962933346.html
Rare VANOS option on this one plus "
motor is making noise - looking online I see piston-slap, Vanos, main bearings..." What
could go wrong?
"
Another issue is the screen with mileage is not illuminated so mileage unknown - estimated at ~135k."
Can't you just hook up a scanner and read the mileage?
https://southcoast.craigslist.org/ct...966490778.html
Guy has a collection of 996s. Same one with the Turbo I posted earlier
https://southcoast.craigslist.org/ct...954699159.html
Thats an interesting car
Most of the damage looks superficial but one thing that sticks out to me is the rear passenger side exhaust tip. Its pushed up into the bumper so I wonder if there is damage underneath. The panel gaps on the side of the car look pretty good, hard to tell but the fenders don't even look that bad.
Googling the VIN brought up some very interesting sites.
https://poctra.com/2003-PORSCHE-911-...IAMI-FL/Photos
https://rennlist.com/forums/vehicle-...apis-blue.html
https://www.google.com/search?q=WP0A...9QEwAHoECAkQBg
The last photo explains the tailpipe.
Someone must have bought it, tried to repair it, and is trying to unload it.
I'm guessing the front end damage is pretty extensive.
Blown head - 15k repair? Could be a deal:
https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/c...966918495.html
Bat link from his original purchase in case it goes down:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...11-carrera-23/
I think one of the best deals that I have seen lately
Very good price, reasonable low miles, quite rare color for a 4S... but more important, the very very rare sunroof delete option, together with sport seats...
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ckType=listing
https://grautogallery.com/vehicles/1...sche-carrera-4
Wonder what happened? A little over a year ago it was sold with a clean carfax and title but now it says salvage title. Never heard of a blown engine causing a salvage title.
Huh so it was totaled before and attempted to be repaired.
It also was listed here in the Northeast prior to being totalled.
Now it's in CA with an FL title. Amazing how these get around
I am aware of the aftermarket warranties that will repair your car should something file but I never heard of one that would total your vehicle if the repair costs were too high. Could be I guess.
It seems to vary a lot State by State. In some states (like where I live) you can get a (rebuilt) branded title if the insurance company declares the vehicle as "totaled". It doesn't have to be destroyed, the insurance company determines that it is uneconomical to repair. But lots of places have different approaches.
That GT2 looks fixable to me. It depends on the buy in price to see if it makes sense to rebuild it. For a driver, it would be fine. I suspect the resale value would suffer.
Tried to email, he hasn't responded. Will update if he ever does. I have a 99 tiptronic with a branded title that I got at a good price and have been toying with the idea of finding a clean manual with bad engine that i can swap the engine into.
Branded titles are hard to sell unless the price is right.
I just purchased a 2000 C4 Cabriolet w/90 miles on from a dealer it for only $15k just a few days ago. Found it on Craigslist. It's the cheapest 996 that I've seen in comparable condition in 5 years of looking. I bought it on the spot after a brief test drive. Clear title and clean vin search.
NADA values the car at between $18-20k in my area. The lower than book price was a "red flag" but (as far as I can tell) it is in excellent condition both cosmetically and mechanically. According to the records, the clutch and IMS were replaced in Nov 2016. I will cut it loose quick if it starts to develop problems before it becomes a money pit. I really hope that doesn't happen because I took it on a 100 mile drive yesterday and just loved driving it.
The C4 is the 6th car in my garage.
On the sports car side, I also have a 2008 BMW 335i (which I bought 5 years ago) that people are wary of because of reported turbo/wastegate problems, just as people are wary of the 996 because of the reported IMS problems. Both cars are undervalued as a result. However, I have never had any mechanical problems w/my 335i and the only $ I've put into it (apart from ordinary service) was for cosmetic and mechanical mods that I wanted to spend $ on in order to make it look better to me and go faster. In addition to the 335i, I also have a 2002 Toyota MR2 Spyder that has never caused me any problems whatsoever in the 15 years that I've owned it. The only $ that I've spent on it has been for oil/filter changes, a couple of batteries and a few misc parts.
The other cars in my garage include a 2017 Chevy Bolt EV, a 2012 MB ML350 SUV and a 2002 Ford F250 4x4 Longbed 7.3L Turbo Diesel. No significant problems w/any of these cars either.
Here's hoping that my ownership experience w/the C4 is the same as it has been w/all of the other cars.
Another tip can with a bad engine.
Nice hard top though. Looks like an Aero kit. Can't tell on the rear though
https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/i...ref=browse_tab
https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/i...ref=browse_tab
Nice optioned 99. Has all the right bits
Sport seats but no tri spoke Steering wheel. Interesting.
Hmm. Wonder is the tri spoke got ditched with the AIrbag recalls? Maybe the PO was offered a We can fix it right now "IF",, you go 4 spoke and they didn't care?
Great deal here on what looks to be an extremely well taken care of early build 99. Wish this had been around when I was searching two months ago!
https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/c...958757707.html
Insane right? I don't think I've seen 99's listed on CL that cheaply with headlights that clear before, ha.
If the car wasn't an hour away (despite only living 10 miles away, yay Chicago traffic) then I'd love to check it out and see just how clean it is.
I looked at this car and checked cams with durametric. Engine looks rock solid other than ims status is unknown. Underneath everything is dry. Top of front towers squeak and sporadic microswitch issues for the window down when door opens. I decided not to get it cause I wasn't enamored with tip and the squeaks and I have plenty of cars. But great price!
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/c...973689399.html
You know you will regret for the rest of your life that you didn't pull the trigger on that one. No seriously, I mean actually pulling the trigger to shoot it...
There a way to tell if it actually sold? To me looks like it didn't meet reserve. Probably why then put it back up on CL. Maybe will find its way to BaT
Auction says it was a 'no reserve" auction and sold for $15,551.
Why did the transaction not complete? Who knows....buyer flaked (common), car misrepresented (not as likely), seller remorse?
https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/i...ref=browse_tab
I love 99.9% of "arrest me red" cars but I don't think a 996 looks good in red.
Being said this looks decent.
Needs Turbo Twists.
This was pictured at an auto auction in Massachusetts on Facebook. A person commented that they did the paint work. Interesting that it's now for sale
I'll see if I can find the post
2002 C4S coupe in Purple. 21K miles, asking $42,000. Well, it is quite a dark purple and many pictures look black, but some of them you can see the purple.
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/...992243381.html
Stunning. That color must be PTS. I don't think a purple was available as part of the regular catalog. The first thing I see is that it needs engine mounts
https://vinanalytics.com/car/WP0AA29952S623510/
yep, paint to sample...i bought my 03 c4s with same mileage, 21700, just over 6 months ago. now has 30700 on it.
Here's a low mileage, 2nd generation, 6sp manual and low price. Not my first choice in color though.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...8799521219187/
Not a 996, but came across this peach of an ad today. Not sure if the seller is an idiot or if the ad is a scam. If it's a scam, there are better ways to write an ad to part someone with their cash.
Ad Highlights
Car is listed as a 2013 911, but the ad calls out the car as a 997 C2. Supporting pictures are clearly not a 997 and is for an S model.
Car (chassis) is listed as having 45k miles, but the engine has 76k (what?)
Seller lists that the IMS bearing has been replaced and that the car is a Tip (again, what?)
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/...993955856.html
Very decent car for the price. I'm a 997 guy but my buddies shop/dealer is listing this 996, link below.
https://richmond.craigslist.org/ctd/...981163235.html
Kind of a fly-by-night lot in a commercial strip. Not super close to me, but I could take a fly by if someone was interested but I'd proceed with caution.
last time i was in elizabeth was when a car i sold 7 years ago was found stolen, stripped, and abandoned there. had to go to court to prove i wasn't the current owner and have multiple tickets dismissed.
I thought i would share my craigslist posting here for anyone that is interested. Car is in great condition mechanically, no problems at all. Contact me with any questions.
https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/c...995191919.html
Only $7k.....
but has developed a tapping sound in the right side cylinder head at idle. Some say it’s normal, but it wasn’t tapping when I parked it for the winter last fall. I’m told it could be a stuck valve lifter or chain tensioner.
https://albany.craigslist.org/cto/d/...978413016.html
Tapping sound on the right makes me cringe. Borescoring?
If it were local I'd look at it, and would be interested in it if it wasn't borescoring.
Too many miles and a previous wreck would make it not really worth rebuilding for $7K.
$4K, perhaps
Yea, this one is a basket case. Probably eating up with cylinder bore scoring. Will need a rebuild. But it's not worth it. 160K miles, cab, tip, Oh my!
Lions and tire and bears, oh my! Miles and cabs and accidents and tips, oh MY MY MY!!!
appears to be a 40th, no VIN or ID no / xx of 1,963
rear bumper and wing are after market, as are wheels
most 40th's in that mileage bring around $30k or so
The 996 Targa is probably the best looking Targa of all the model ranges. It's the only one that maintained the beautiful, continuous sloping roofline that is seen in the silhouette of almost all 911s. More importantly, it has an actuated rear glass panel!! Look at this man rolling his luggage towards the rear of his 911 to store it in the parcel shelf rather than the frunk! Almost like a "real" car. What a madman.
The seller in the link you posted did't even showcase the rear access.
I'm looking for something like this currently, but the body panels look a little messed up, different colors & the panel lines look off.. I think it also had two accidents..
Yeah, oof.
And I don't get his complaint about the mileage? He seems to think he bought a 55K car, but found out it was a 155K car? I think my car has a 6 digit odometer. Unless he bought it sight unseen.
In any case, he's selling a sick, tip car with an accident and now he's adding weird stories. Too much at 7K.
I think he was told it was a 55K mile car, and didn't check to verify until after he bought it...or...
Yep, I like a good story that lowers a price, but there are too many stories with this one.
For $7K, it had better need only 1 of the following: mechanical work, interior work, body work
If it needs more than that, or also has a branded title, the price I'll pay is significantly less.
I believe there were 9 previous owners when I bought mine. Sometimes variables align in such a way that one factor such as number of owners isn't too detrimental to the entire picture.
The Carfax "OWNERS" is a bunch of garbage. And is just an "Estimate".
I personally have a 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee that I bought with ZERO miles on it NEW from the dealer. I've owned this car for the past 8 years and when I went to trade it in a month ago, it popped up as a 3-owner car with an accident. It was laughable. I have moved from a few states to state and each time I moved it classified it as a new owner. Also when I refinanced it, classified as a new owner. So overall, do not believe the amount of owners that shows up on a Carfax.
In addition, I had someone bump me from behind with NO DAMAGE. A police officer was called and wrote a ticket to the other driver. No repairs were ever made to the car, no insurance claim etc. and it shows up as an accident on Carfax.
Both of those factors contributed to a lower trade-in offer even though the car is a great 1-owner Zero accident car in reality.
LOL! What's the advertised price of $500.00 get you?
This looks super clean (50K miles) and well maintained with a newer (12K miles) motor.
https://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/...979431153.html
And this Turbo looks like a great buy.
https://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/...982449677.html
If only I had some play money!!
Full leather car too.
The bolster wear on some of these low mileage cars really makes me scratch my head. My car has 90k miles and the same Graphite Gray interior and doesn�t have anywhere close to the same type of wear. Maybe because mine is made from the thicker �draped� leather?
Not Craigslist, but a
local shop
. At one time there was heavy interest in finding a white 996, so here you go.
I was out there yesterday having some work done on one of my cars. Looks decent enough for the price ($22k) and miles (82k). My only nit-pick is the 17" wheels. Easy enough fix.
No affiliation at all.
It doesn't says "Turbo S", it says "Turbo
s
.
"
As in, it's got two Turbo
s
.
Yeah, I have to agree.
I don't like the top. (of course I don't like convertibles. I can't stand the wind.)
and I'm not a fan of the wheels on that car.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ckType=listing
Not bad looking, low miles and a good price.
What's that thing below the radio? Some sort of old amp control/equalizer unit ?
Options list shows ASR, LSD, 18 inch Turbo look wheels,
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...3411/overview/
Not a bad looking C4S. Nice exterior color, Atlas grey.
Options list says lumbar support for right seat. Does that mean no lumbar on driver's side?
unlike the "solution" which is permanent, the IMS Retrofit has a recommended service life of approx 5 years. i might be off slightly in the service life, but it needs to be redone eventually, unlike the IMS Solution.
Looks like someone built a Display car either for carbon fiber , wraps and suspension but I agree looks OK , but I think you need to be on the young side to drive it , and looks like he sunk some big money in it. The wing is kinda of on the huge side like the RSR .
https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/i...ref=browse_tab
Low priced one owner TT cab in Massachusetts.
Looks like it has the Turbo Power Pack. X50 i think ?
Ad is very fishy....price alone makes me think it is not legit. For giggles I corresponded with him. Ad claims it is a one owner car from FL...but this guy is in MA. OK.... So I ask how the car wound up in MA if it is his single owner car from Florida. Says he bought it in FLA in 2014 and it has a Florida title...if it has been in MA for 5 years it should be MA titled by now. Facebook ad says he needs to move the car quick...but he says in correspondence that he's got a bad knee and can't operate the clutch. Pictures in the ad show screen grab photos from a 2015 post. Searched for him online and on FB...in FB there are a ton of car ads under his name all saying "moving outta the area need to sell" in Mass in 2018. Also shows online a the Vince Russo Car Collection...a dealer in MA...but no website or anything. Supposed VIN is
WP0CB29974S676654
Went through this cuz I was bored at work and, if it is real, he's close enough by to take a look, lol....but, like most things too good to be true, I don't think it is real.
To me it just seems like a boomer who doesn't know how to use the internet nor take photos. The picture with the window sticker is a convincing argument for a one owner.
Seller's fb profile says he's from MA but lives in FL.
He may be a dealer and just drove it on a dealer plate and had no need to title it. Just a thought.
The car is 20m from me. MIddleboro which is kinda a boonie town.
Options list:
X47 Gear lever **** in Carbon/leather
X50 Powerkit 331/340 kW
X54 Stainless steel tailpipes
X58 Handbrake lever in Carbon/leather
X69 Door entry guards in Carbon with logo
XJ4 Leather cover for ignition lock surround
XKD Side air vent in Carbon
XKJ Defroster trim in Carbon/leather
XKP Carbon speaker covers
XMJ Rear section of centre console in Carbon
XNR Carbon center air vent bracket
XNX Carbon trim strip (dashboard)
XPD 3-spoke sports steering wheel, Carbon/leather
XPY Carbon instrument surround
XRC 18-inch SportTechno wheel
XRN 17-mm spacers, rear
XSC Porsche Crest embossed in headrest
XSX Seat belts in Guards Red
XTL Door panel parts in Carbon
2001 C4 Coup� Black Manual 151K $14,995
It is at a high end specialist dealer (Victory Motorcars is a non Porsche factory dealership) that normally has overpriced vehicles.(IMHO)
They do seem to know Porsches (that’s all the sell)
This one seems to be a really great deal.(again, IMHO)
https://houston.craigslist.org/ctd/d...000826001.html
thanks for posting. Mine has a small crack on the drivers side. One of the many things the BaT seller forgot to disclose. It�s not leaking yet but it�s probably going to happen at some point. this looks to have a good replacement for a good price.
thanks again.
https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/...020358970.html
Cheap C4, but no inspection stickers or emission or tag but phone number is local to car, could be something up with it.
I am actually looking for a non-black / Turbo / Cab / Tiptronic. I am also actively NOT looking for an S. Who wants to pay $15-$20,000 for brake rotors?
Those rotors still have another 70 k miles before you need to change them. On Mercedes AMG’s if you don’t track them they are good for 180k miles vs 15k miles on steel rotors. I’d take them overSteel.
That's a bargain.
EDIT: Just realized it's rebuilt title. That's probably a fair price. It's tough to justify a rebuilt title car if you don't know
exactly
what it was totaled for and how it was repaired.
There was a really nice 996 Turbo for sale recently for under $30K in Houston.
It was owned by a local PCA member and had a salvage title.
If I didn’t already have a 996, I might have jumped on it.
Wish I’d had the cash to add a second 996.
General rule of thumb for salvage is 2/3 its value. I think its priced with some negotiation, I think at $35k its a good buy but a little high at $40k, looking at BaT which tends be high you can start looking at getting a clean title example low $40s.
Here is a 2001 Turbo with asking price of $22,500. Many interesting options, like lots of leather and burl wood, and no hint why it is listed at this low price (may be a typo?).
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/...027895099.html
“Failure of the ball bearing of the IMS generally leads to varying degrees of engine failure.”
Ha, failure ranges from complete failure to total failure.
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/324003488278
Does the suspension look really high?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/223780967220
Looks like the rebuilder used too much sealant on everything.
Beige interior with black seats is not a good look IMO
If I was under a couple of hours from there I would drive there and pay cash on the spot. Even if it's worthless to use as an engine, it would be great to learn on.
About 45 minutes north of Philly, looks good in pics, doesn't seem like a bad price for a dealer.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...5870066535489/
2000 C2 Cabriolet Manual 142K
$11K
in Houston area
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...0649390241238/
Looks like a good deal for a running car.
Wish I could fix her up myself, but can�t right now.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/p...035570862.html
Probably too good to be true but. Well worth the purchase....
996 turbo claims to be serviced. No mileage
22.5k
The list of options is amazing... (I'm not a big fan of that wood though)
BASE Porsche Base Model
059 Delete Front Bumperettes
446 Wheel Caps with Colored Crest
513 Lumbar Support-Right Seat
586 Lumbar Support-Left Seat
635 Parking Assist System
662 Porsche Comm Mgmt (N/A Canada)
680 Digital Sound Package
692 Remote CD Changer (6 Disc)
982 Supple Leather Front and Rear
E71 Light Wood Interior Package
EJ Metropol Blue Full Leather Int
M6F Metropol Blue Floor Mat
P11 Self-Dim Mirrors & Rain Sensor
P14 Heated Front Seats Package
XMP Lthr Sun Visors Lighted Mirror
XMZ Rear Center Console - Leather
XX2 Footwell Lighting
Y06 Alum/Lthr Shifter/Brake Handle
Y1 Seal Grey Metallic
Regular Boxster wouldn’t be worth that. (IMHO)
But a Boxster S might be.
It would be a good one to use for an LS swap...or more to my liking a 996 engine swap.
Theres a running fake Boxster S locally for $3950.(salvage title)
If it were a real Boxster S I’d definitely be interested.
It’s not a Boxster S, it’s a Boxster ... S.
Classic scam. How do I know? First of all, no VIN listed. The model name says "Turbo2" hahaha. No actual image of the odometer.
Bet ya the seller will ship you the car before you have to pay. Ask.
https://www.copart.com/lot/29101939
Spoiler doesn't show up on the options list but it does have an LSD.
3/98 production with an IMS retrofit.
VIN doesn't come up on LN's website. Wonder if it wasn't installed by an approved person.
the above isn't the car...based on the VIN in the pic. it was on BAT, sold by the same seller though:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...carrera-4s-15/
CL one sounds like a scam still at that price.
Not sure if you or the rest of the audience knows this, but not all fake listings are scams, some are just click bait to gather email addresses or mobile numbers. The two signs I repeatedly see on fake listings are:
1.) no specific address (you'll see a very non-descript map shown, usually in a random area without a grid of streets like a normal residential neighborhood would have)
2.) there is ONLY an email address to reply to
Hope this helps people in the future.
Ah yes here. That listing is in NV, this one is in FL:
https://poctra.com/2003-PORSCHE-911-...4EjxE/MIAMI-FL
And here's another in CA
https://poctra.com/2003-PORSCHE-911-...ELES-CA/Photos
The insurance company work with Copart if it does not reached the Insurance companies value they will move them to another location. Theses insurance companies like "Farmers ' are putting hundreds of cars through these guys, so coparts gives them a great deal . I recently bought a Macan S although I was the high bid , the Insurance company came back said they wanted more. As I was buying through my dealer friend I said I wanted to re look at car to make sure I knew how much repair would be. My second visit with a jack and looking under neath at suspension showed a little more damage. I wrote a letter and offered $600 less than my original bid with photos and they accepted it. Had to fit new Hood, side fender and repair damage on door, replace suspension arm (used),Car is finished runs like a champ and looks fabulous
So what does that mean? Lifters on the pass or driver side? Isn't the passenger side that usually gets the bore scoring? Sounds like a thorough PPI would find any issues.
There are not a ton of really top indy shops in that area. The shop he takes it too is a hack. Supposedly wants to do the other side of lifters before selling. It makes you think.
"Both front driver seats have a tear."
***A tear***?
I give that one 3 ROTFLOLs.
The headline should be "I've used up this 996, will you give me $10K *and* haul it away?"
This one reminded me of a situation we occasionally see in the mountains of western North Carolina. Novice campers come up for a long weekend in the beautiful wilderness we have. They know not to leave food in the tent, but think it will be ok to leave it in the car. At night black bears manage to get in, but have a hard time getting out. Totally tear up the interior in the process, and in the morning campers are astonished at what took place overnight.
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Side bar Ques: Probability of success? .. Friend wants to find/buy a 996 coupe, MT, in a bright color (white good too), under 80k miles, IMS, RMS, well maintained,.. for around the $25k mark?
even though the title of this thread is for CL ads,... I'm guessing you guys post Opps from other marketplaces too
It is the same car. If you look the sticker in the door, both vin are the same
It looks like somebody took some care of it, to make it less wrecked that it really is (if you look carefully, you can notice that the airbag cover is also open in the "second" car). Also, the emergency brake handle was changed...
Or... it had two different crashes... but they show...exactly the same number of miles
It is really weird.
I've tried to buy that car a few times but have been unable to speak to anybody about it. It is significantly wrecked indeed, and it "feels" like something shady is going on as noted by others. The passenger air bag cover seems to have been messed with as well, and front tub is shifted to the side. In some pictures, you can see underbody damage to the opposite rear corner also. Anyway, with clean history/lower mileage GT2s seemingly selling in the $70s, that car doesn't make a whole lot of sense at $45k+.
It's pretty common to see a wreck show up a few times for sale at a copart or other place. Either someone flipping to try to make a few bucks by making it "look less bad" than it did when they bought it or, as GarrettSR5 says, someone bought it and realized it was more wrecked than they thought and decided to make it someone else's problem.
If you watch Samcrac on youtube, he mentions this stuff in a few different videos when he is advertising one of the services he uses that lets you put in the VIN and find the auction history of the car.
https://boise.craigslist.org/ctd/d/s...045563392.html
Lot of nice upgrades, but the price seems a little high. I like down in the description it says "
THIS 1999 PORSCHE CARRERA 4S IS A FOUR OWNER VEHICLE
"????
This is 5 mins up the road from me. Would be happy to Rennfax it for anyone interested. Looks super clean. There is a well respected Porsche Indy in Walnut Creek. Wonder if they did the rebuild.
Why wouldn’t a tip owner rebuild their engine?
If I had a tip, I’d rebuild my engine.
Tip owner doesn’t necessarily equal non-enthusiast.
Maybe some aren’t, just like some manual owners aren’t.
I prefer manual coupes, but that doesn’t mean a cabriolet with a tip is worthless.
I’d like a coupe with a tip if I could find one cheap enough.
My wife, who has bad knees, doesn’t like driving my car, but if I had another with a tip, I know she would love it.
I’m not giving up my manual coupe, but I’d spring for a tip, and rebuild the engine too.
I said unusual, not wrong. Anyway, doing the rebuild must�ve killed the dream (or wallet), which is why it�s on the block with just 500 miles post-rebuild. Car looks clean and has sport seats.
I thought you might have.
You did mine(538) in late 2011.
Theres even a dyno video of my car on your Facebook page.
The fact that it already had The IMS Solution was a major reason why I bought my car.
But my sticker is on the door frame.
But the car listed above has the sticker in the engine bay area.
Lol. Why? It's no less a 911? Just because you can't figure out how to work a Tip, and make it go quick, doesn't mean there aren't plenty of us that couldn't and don't on a daily basis? Ignorance...
Or put it in Manual and can use only one hand to go both up and down on just one button, like McLarens are able to do, with clicking up and down with one/either paddle! I don't understand the utter confusion about this pretty basic transmission option by so many here...? Weird. But we all strive for those few extra e-peen points!
There is a reason why automatic 996's sell for about 2/3's of the price of the more desirable manual 996's. The manual cars are just way more fun.
If you want a slushbox, there are better daily drivers available for the money.
Most people shopping for 996's skip over the automatic cars.
Automatics weren't any good until 997.2. Obviously people are looking for a deal or just have never driven much. Tips are worth substantially less, and there is a reason. They are for geriatrics, amputees OR cheapskates. which one is it?
New forum rules:
people who say negative things about the Tiptronic 996 are required to provide evidence that they have owned one.
people who make statistical claims (e.g. 2/3 the price) must provide the data on which their claim is based.
2003 Targa with 43K indicated miles, looks like it was lemon early in life from the Carfax, $22K.
The car is literally a half a mile from my house if anybody wants somebody me to look at it.
https://www.smileyautogroup.com/inve...sche/911/1623/
I specifically wanted a TIP (and Cabrio WITH the hard top option). Started with a C4S in early 2019 and less than a year later got a 996TT X50 with the same. Couldn't be happier, especially as a daily driver.
When we build a real engine, the tip cars come to life. Stick a 4.0 in a tip with my altered cam timing, and etc, and it will shred a manual of the same year with the same engine fitted.
We are seeing an increase in Tiptronic cars here. They suck to remove and reinstall engines from, but the way the gear ratios eat the torque these engines make really is mind blowing compared to stock.
Nope, You can't pay me enough to "convert" anything with these cars. It's a quick way to end up with something that doesn't do anything well, and it sucks to own.
Its my job to blow up gearboxes, and while we have shredded many PDKs, we've never broken a tiptronic. They will take anything you throw at them.
M96/M97 are cheaper because no one wants them.
996es are cheaper because no one wants them.
Tips are cheaper because no one wants them.
Cabriolets are cheaper because no one wants them.
Woohoo, look at the great deals!
A C4, tip, cab is a real joy to work on... NOT!
The only thing worse is a Turbo variant of that!
When I pick the jobs that I take on to do myself, it won't be one of these!
Just saw this on Craigslist for anyone looking for a very cheap 996 with a recently rebuilt engine. I know nothing about this other than having read the ad but thought it might be interesting for someone here:
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sf...060319850.html
1999 Porsche 911 cabriolet (updated IMS w/full engine rebuild, factory hard top - $11990
Exterior Color: Arctic Silver Metallic
Interior Color: Black
VIN:
WP0CA2990XS654003
Mileage: 165,619
MPG: 15 City / 23 Highway
Engine: 3.4L NA H6 double overhead cam (DOHC) 24V
Fuel: Gasoline
Transmission: 6 Speed Manual
Drivetrain: Rear Wheel Drive
Title: Clear
Asking Price: $11,990
Key Features:
Anti-Lock Brakes
Cruise Control
Keyless Entry System
Power Steering
Leather Seats
Power Door Locks
Power Windows
Rebuilt engine with 5k miles.
Manual transmission.
Comes with hard top
IMS replaced
Almost worth it just to get the engine!
Contact Info:
Rev Up Autosports
[phone removed]
24076 CREEKSIDE RD. UNIT B
Valencia, CA 91355
https://www.revupautosports.com/vehi...43048c68fe644a
My claim can be backed up simply by searching autotrader and craigslist. You'll notice the manual cars are advertised for a premium AND also sell for a premium.
Many of my friends are in the auto sales business and complain that you can't give away automatic 996's.
I'm sure the tiptronic is great in daily traffic. But the manual cars are more fun and will always sell for a premium. The 996 may be the last analogue Porsche and thus going forward, people will be buying it for the full analogue experience
I‘ll take one in silver or red please.
Since they want to give it away, I won’t be trading my manual.
My manual is my daily driver in 52 miles of mainly stop and go traffic.
Why a manual?
Because when the traffic ends, this old man gets to have fun!
At 58 my body forced me to give up my passion for baseball/softball. I played to excess. Then i drove a Porsche 6 speed 996 4s and i found my new passion. Eventually my body will force me to transition from a manual to an automatic, but until then i will tell the car when to shift.
So true...
I WISH 996 or 997.1 Turbo Tips were 2/3 of the price of 6MTs!! I certainly haven't found this to be the case, but smart guys are all over the place here posting up this 'information', so it has to be true, amirite??
A 997.1 Turbo Tip will get to 60 in 3.7 secs according to Porsche, which means it's .2-.3 faster than that- repeatedly. All day long... That's faster than a lot of modern "supercars". And the 6MT variant, but okay. I think Road and Track got it down to 3.4 even which is just stupid fast. And, it will still drive and handle like a 911. You would think for such a 's.h.i.t.e.' car they would be cheaper...
Let me guess- they're a different race than you too, so you can check that box huh? We all have "that friend" who supports our unfounded position.
Also, this 'premium' you're referencing is not really that significant and can be more than overcome by options, miles and condition of the car. I would go so far as to say a Tip car is going to be better taken care of than a 6MT in some instances, since the latter usually isn't the driving God they envision themselves to be and who knows what transmission and other engine issues (like overrevs) are hidden beneath. Tip 997.1 Turbos are still in the $80s for a nice one. Hardly "giving them away"...
The fact is, it's just not that bad of a transmission, especially when you LEARN to drive it. I track mine and my instructors repeatedly tell me they can't even tell when I'm down and upshifting at this point. I'm sorry you can't handle that, but it is what it is and most Tip owners will tell you such.
Got to love the "experts", with a handful of posts, that pop in here and try to correct the error of our ways. We've got another expert "helping" us to understand our IMSB and oil additives in another thread.
Anyone heard from Joey lately?
My god. I've never seen such denial in my life.
Folks, there is NOTHING wrong with an automatic car, but for enthusiasts to argue that a automatic 911 is as much fun and holds value as well as a manual 911 is crazy.
The manual transmission is an endangered species and manual cars sell for a premium in any sports car. It's basically common knowledge.
Buying an automatic 996 is kind of like hiring a pornstar to give you a handjob. Sure, it will be fun...but wouldn't you rather have paid a bit more for the "full" experience?
Would you agree that in 10-20 years from now, less people will even know how to drive a stick? So, an automatic might be more desirable to the masses down the road.
I love rowing through the gears but I may not enjoy it all the time down the road when I'm 70+ years old...You point of view suggest you're much younger than I.
well since this thread has taken a turn that has nothing to do with Craigslist finds or 996 FS opportunities,.... I'll bite...
My 2 kids had an entire car built before the older one turned 16 & had a drivers license (yellow '69).... son first learned stick on my red 68' Muncie 4-Spd at the age of 13.
Porsche's were too expensive for their pocket books at the time. (
they each paid $4K out of their own for the yellow '69 w/ no motor/trans & missing a lot. Got it done in 1.5 yrs so they could each drive it their Sr yr of High School
)
so yea, there are still young kids out there that are manual shifters....
This is exactly what I am looking for. Too bad it is so far away. Give away price. I found one about 6 months ago in similar situatisitnearby and it sold in a day for twice that.
You sir, are my hero. As a father of a 2 and 4 year old I can only hope that I can get them to have this sort of enjoyment with the cars I love. There are lots of "projects" out there that don't need much except the desire to learn and the patience to make mistakes.
My daughter, Ava is 8.. she started driving my old 1962 Cub Cadet tractor when she was 6.. Now she drives it with ease, and has graduated up to my M274 Mechanical Mule. Her legs are a little too short for her to drive most other cars we own, but I plan to get her in my Autozam AZ-1 in the spring. We also have a Japanese mini truck that she drives, which is a manual. She fits it perfectly.
At 8, she has already built engines, and she spends 3-4 hours per day in the shop. She’s finishing her first 914 engine, now..
This comes with a big YMMV but I have not had a good experience with a car purchased from this dealer. plenty of band aids where actual repairs were needed and cheaper parts used vs advertised. A current example is the front CV joint. It�s wobbly and needs replacement, no big deal. But I looked back at the records and they had their shop put a cv boot on the same side that I am now having to replace. That was a few thousand miles ago so I think there�s a reasonable chance the joint was bad and they just put on a new boot with some grease to get it out the door. That�s one of about 15 things I have fixed or will fix. Bring on the PPI comments, they are deserved. But so is one for anything sold by this dealer.
when I bought my roller I specifically looked for a car that was complete. Buying a car that has a disassembled engine adds the risk of missing ancillary parts that can add to the cost.
I have a 1999 Cab with a good engine and a salvage title (and tip) that I got cheap as a driver.swap engine and bits and pieces and have a good manual Coupe. 800 miles is just not in the cards right no .
Lol
Gotta say, I woulda sat here with my popcorn on this one. It�s such a subjective convo, it�s almost comical that folks can be so impassioned on the topic. I wouldn�t own a tip 996 (I�m one of those guys that owns several �save the manuals� shirts) but they are great cars and one of the best AT of the era. Love em? Great. Think they�re inferior? Cool. Your all right as there isn�t a �right� answer to that one.
My wife wouldn't want one with an auto trans. In fact she has and will only buy cars with a manual. The only exception being our trucks (better for towing). She has dropped more than one hint that when I get the engine done in my 944 S2, that I should let her have it.
Since I won't be the first to go "off topic" here...
This is my wife, in action, in Stu at a RallyCross we held at 944Fest a few years ago.
If you look at the old VW beetles , some had a Auto stick’s, and if you look at all the bugs for sale 80 % of the Autos don’t sell as well, funny VW just welded the clutch and brake together and slapped some rubber on brake pedal. maybe TIPs will be pretty much like the Auto Sticks in the future ,but you never know.
We are seeing more tips than ever before.
Lots belong to new owners... Mostly Millennials that never learned how to drive a stick.
Back during the recession days, we did 7 Tiptronic engine builds in a row. The only people that still had money were the older, retired folks, and they were fixing the engines when they failed. Over a period of 3-4 years, we probably didn't have a single purchaser less than 60 years of age. Today we have people specifically looking for tiptronic cars. The transaxles are bullet proof, they take neglect, abuse, and power very well.
I have a tiptronic 993 that my wife drives, she has issues with circulation in her left leg, so I built a 3.9L, 400HP engine for the car, and it screams.. Its the only "automatic" that I own, and it stomps pretty much everything else in the fleet.
No thread. I don't need to hear opinions about how the other guy that lives in his parent's basement, with his vaporware 993 would have done it differently.
Jake, You have accurately and succinctly described over half the posts on internet car forums....including the 996 forum
Between basement dwelling tribologists, correspondence school IMS bearing mechanical engineers, and excel spread sheet data scientists we should have enough brain power on this forum to solve world hunger, achieve world peace, and make the perfect grilled cheese sandwich. Instead, we have the same old posts on the same old topics that eventually devolve into someone angry at Jake for making money, some people upset these engines can’t be rebuilt for the costs of a 350 “chebby”, and newbies getting screwed because the seller lied about the mechanical condition of the 996 that they just bought (without getting a PPI).
That being said, I love this forum!
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...-911-turbo-76/
Red isn't normally my style on 996s but it's nice to see a non silver TT.
And that's coming from a silver 996 owner.
pretty sure the car in the vid is the same as the one for sale in the bat link. Front bumper is off and the shop employee mentions �that�s a 996 street car we gotta fix.� Was looking at that listing on Bat yesterday and wanted to know more about Kelly Moss and stumbled upon that vid.
Some weird options here
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...3347/overview/
Side skirts, rear bumper add ons and taco spoiler but no Aero front bumper or sport seats plus Litronic and a 3 spoke wheel on a 7/98 production. . Looks like someone cleaned the HVAC panel with the wrong stuff.
VIN Analytics doesnt have the build sheet but I would be curious what it says. Seller says SPECIAL PAINT
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...6837/overview/
This seems like a good buy until you see the rebuilt flood title
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...8760/overview/
206k C4! 54k on engine though
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...9309/overview/
997 dropping in price recently ? Seems WAY too cheap
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...6082/overview/
Aero 2000.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...3109/overview/
Cheapest Targa I've seen. 20k, Tip.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...5915/overview/
Aero 99. Odd steering wheel.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...5026/overview/
Real early 99.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...5684/overview/
Cheap C4S manual cabby
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...2610/overview/
Another cheap 997. Coupe this time. Manual too
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...6868/overview/
Nice C4S with IMS done and some nice options
Ok back 2 work
They'll pull you off the track if your exhaust is measured above 90 db at a certain point of the track. Stupid, whiny people moving in near racetracks.
When they built a drag strip in my area it was way out in the country far away from everything. Now that the area is populated, problems with noise complaints are on the rise. I empathize with this problem because the 120+ db levels from a top fuel dragster travels a long distance and many of the competitions last all weekends throughout the summer months. Many of these people move into the area around spring and then the summer shocker hits them. There is no requirement to disclose this information at the point of sale. Buyer beware as they say.
You could bet that lil Socialist Swedish Greta would say “How Dare you”! And all the USA kids brain washed just like her growing up will close all of them. Matter of a 10 years or so. Just look at all dirt bike riding places. None left.
I forgot to mention, the pipes go sideways because they have the SPL measuring device on the right side of the track, so if you just direct your loud exhaust the other way, you generally can get away with it.
Here's a crazy looking example:
YC2VGe4.jpg
And we're sort of on-topic because that thing's up for sale:
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/ws...065413147.html
Because the dude that designed it is named Mezger, no M96 in that bad boy. So hop off the NOPE train and come on over to the whole lotta YES train -- it's a fast one, like bullet fast!
Except, and I stand to be corrected, the stock Mezger engine comes from the factory with nikasil cylinders. Personally, I wouldn't use forged al pistons with steel liners due to disparate expansion rates. And I have CP forged pistons with Nickies cylinders, so I put my $ where my mouth is...
Hey, but to each their own.
I'm in the market for a C4 but that would be tempting if it wasn't a plane ride away. Still being that motivated, you have to wonder if it's something about the car and not his wife.
Except that nikasil can be applied to steel ductile liners also, but it's not needed. Steel ductile liners are used due to their increased strength and can keep from distorting the bores in high power engines. The dissimilar expansion rate can be easily compensated for in cold running clearance.
What's more important is dynamic dissimilar temperatures of components. Dynamic dissimilar temperatures can even effect components with the same expansion rates.
Dissimilar expansion rate is a static variable, dissimilar temperature is a dynamic variable (much harder to control), hence the recommendation of the warm-up ritual of the Lokasil/aluminum combo.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/153820625217
https://www.ebay.com/itm/184158759772
https://www.ebay.com/itm/184158769242
Looks like someone parting out a full leather interior car.
https://allentown.craigslist.org/cto...060713442.html
"I don't have the title but i have a website where you can get the title from"
"This porsche is in good condition overall BUT it wont start. It just clicks when I go to start it. Selling this As Is!"
Prelude Guy where are you!!!!
Here is one that shows it has the IMS Solution already done, and asking only $11,990.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ngId=526478122
There are only 3 pictures, but the detailed pictures are here:
https://www.starfire-auto.com/2003-P...-91390/6681396
It says IMSS-502, can't read much more. Interesting deal, purchase price minus IMS Solution installation cost leaves quite a low number to get a great car.
Yeah, that's classic ^^^
My car won't start, I think I'll sell it as is - and you have to tow it away (don't even think about trying to get it started...).
No test driving unless you are a serious buyer with full asking price in cash.
Is this real? Do people really expect someone to meet a stranger with 25k in cash?
I was saying this earlier, it's ridiculous. Honestly, an ad like this might even turn me off from even going to look at the car. Unless its something that is so rare I don't have a choice there are plenty of cars out there. I've bought and sold over 30 cars, almost every one of them has sold with 3 people or less coming to actually test drive it. I've never asked to see cash, I've never felt like someone has come just to joy ride.
The test drive thing is always an awkward subject. I have sold a lot of cars and sometimes you get people who are wasting time. I usually say no test drives, but will change my mind easily if I can tell the person is interested and not a jackass in person. (if they are coming from far away, do a ppi, etc) If someone shows up and immediately wants a drive, its gonna be a no. If its an economy car or something less finicky, have at it. But when a car can be damaged very easily by carelessness like any Porsche could be, I usually won't do test drives and risk my property on the whims of total strangers. I think the guy is just trying to weed out the time wasters.
Showing up is half the battle IMO. I do it with detailing all the time, I get people to come for estimates, they either will and then they are invested or they won't and I don't have to deal with them anymore. I've never had someone just show up to look at a car and immediately ask to test drive but I would agree with that being a red flag. Usually, we chat, go over everything and look at any paperwork I have for the car then I will offer them a drive or take them out so they can pay attention to any noises and then swap seats. I've have had people who honestly didn't even want to drive or felt uncomfortable about it.
No way. The guy is a thief at worst or a total pain in the *** to deal with at best. He's saying "I don't trust anyone to not screw me over but I expect everyone to trust me enough to bring me $25K cash sight unseen". Huge red flag.
He's really just saying that he doesn't want someone coming over and expecting to be able to drive his older expensive to fix Porsche without some skin in the game. Apparently from your previous posts you are looking for a 996. It's a whole different ball game when the shoe is on the other foot.
Showing proof of funds is one thing. Expecting someone to show up with $25K cash is another. Sure, a buyer could break his car. But if that same buyer shows up at a stranger's house with $25K cash, he is in a MUCH more vulnerable position than the seller.The seller may not even have the car, it's easy to post a CL ad with pics taken from the internet.
If the buyer were to break the car, what's the seller going to do, take his cash? It becomes an insurance issue at that point.
I get that it's tough to let someone drive your Porsche. I know I was nervous about asking to drive when I looked at my first one. The second guy was another story. He said right off the bat he'd have me drive because he'd already had a few mimosas, haha. When I started looking, I made sure I had $$ transferred into one of my checking accounts so that I could show a seller I had the money by logging into my banking app in front of him.
If this person really doesn't trust people that much, CL is the last place he should post. In my experience I've gotten more flaky/sketchy people off of CL than anywhere else.
I can't imagine this guy would submit the car to a PPI...
A test drive is as necessary as trying on a pair of shoes before you buy. Anyone should know that. Some people have an issue with communication,for example I had emailed another person for parts today and the ad shows the items in a photo so I had asked for availability, condition and price. Four emails later and I still haven't received the asking prices. He can keep his stuff. I'm not angry, but the ad did show signs of a slug selling stuff that he wasn't aware of the value or what he had so shame on me. Pay attention to the signs. My new motto.
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Just listed my Carrera 10 spokes (17x7 and 17x9) and original mufflers. NoVA/DC area
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...072191912.html
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...072205987.html
And here is where I beg to differ. The reason I came to "your" house was for one simple reason - The test drive. I can look at pictures on the internet and you can PDF me documents but at the end of the day getting in to the car, turning it on, hearing what I need to hear and more importantly not hearing what I dont want to hear (ticking etc) and feeling the way it feels on the road is what is going to have me take the next step. If I am taking time off from work, finding your house, driving anything from 20 miles to 100 miles the reality is the only thing I want at that point is a test drive. If it does not feel right all the documentation on earth is not going to entice me. If I have to beg for a test drive I am out of there so fast you have no idea and when I do leave your house you really did lose a potential sale as I don't waste my time going to a house without a very good likelihood of buying the car.
No different to a dealership. When I go to a dealer I have done my research in fact I might know more about the car then he does. I am there for one thing and one thing only - lets get on the road.
And no I am not a jerk I am always very polite and friendly but asking you more than once for a test drive - not happening.
I am also not showing you proof of my ability to pay. When the time comes that proof will be in the form of a bank guaranteed check
When I bought my 996 I had lined up two cars. They were 10 miles apart and both were around 40 miles from my home. Took the day off of work and agreed to meet one before lunch and one after. First person starts giving me attitude about taking a drive and showing proof that I can afford it. Drove up in my leased mini. Sure I could have pulled out my Boxster key and my Boxster card for my warrantee and sure I could have pulled out my ID for the two hospitals I have privileges in but that was not happening. I politely thanked him for his time and left. An hour later I was at the second house where I was immediately offered a test drive and two hours later we were drinking a beer as we arranging a PPI after giving him a $500 deposit returnable if the PPI failed (My idea not his) and two days later I was driving my new to me 996.
The difference was not about the car in fact I slightly preferred the first car...it was about my dignity. First person did not care about it and so lost my business.
Did you ever price a 996 Turbo gearbox rebuild? You’ll think twice if every Tom , Dick, and Harry wants to try driving it , Making sure a person has the Funds is not Being offensive , maybe your truly walking from a well kept car that’s is has been maintained and kept.
By no means am I suggesting you leave your keys outside in a dish with an offer to all to try but there are ways to politely inquire about a persons skill with stick and even put restrictions on how fast they can go or how high up the Rev meter they can go without taking a "No Fund proof No ride" approach.
Yes you are right there is a chance I walked away from a well maintained car but I can tell you with certainty that he walked away from a sale. As it turned out I walked into another equally well maintained car.
I have not tried to sell a car in person and so I am not sure how I would approach it but I would like to believe that I would approach it in the way I would want to be approached. There has to be a happy medium.
The reason I have not tried to sell in person is as I dont want to have to deal with this and so I agree to make less and just do a trade in but if you are looking to maximize your returns then this is the nature of the beast
If some one is purely in for the joy ride it is very easy to walk into a Porsche dealership and get into a brand new 911 or even a Taycan with dealers falling over their feet to take you for a drive. I don't think you need to find an old 996 to trash.
As an aside I was in a dealership helping a friend with a Macan where the salesman was literally begging me to take a Taycan for a drive and on other test drives I have had a salesman literally shout at me for not opening up a brand new 911 that has not been broken in when I refused to redline it.
Also how does having the funds translate a) into me being able drive stick so that I don't destroy your gearbox b) have the respect for your property such that I don't destroy your gear box or c) show that I have any intention of actually buying your car.
I could show you $25K in an account and still destroy your gear box and walk away.
I know its a tough situation but to quote the movies: This is the life you chose (when you decided to sell rather than trade in)
So here's an ad locally (in my area) that wants the cash in hand and no joyrides! What's he afraid of?? Is he an easy deal and he knows it? Or just not experienced enough to sell his own vehicle?
"Any ridiculous offer will be ignored
No dealers
No test drives without cash in hand
No joyriders
No scams"
I test drove that C2 in the summer of 2018. It was in very rough shape inside and out. I don't recall the specifics anymore but it was bad. I think it is the same dealer as it was then. Back then I think they were asking $16,900.
Too good to be true? I'm not looking for a cab but this makes me seriously consider it. I'm guessing the interior looks like it was lived in by bears?
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/...072699272.html
I'd never bring cash (in any amount) to see/test drive a car but I'd ask for a ride as a passenger if I was interested. I've done this for both cars and motorcycles w/o regret.
I bought my 2000 C4 Cab 4 months ago off of Craigslist after a "test drive" in the passenger seat. Consignment sale from a dealer. It was in good shape externally and the test drive didn't raise any red flags. $15k w/90k miles. Bought it on the spot w/o a PPI.
Lots of service records including the IMS, Fixing a few things that I was already aware of based on my inspection of the vehicle. I've bought a lot of used cars, motorcycles and trucks in my driving eligible life (over 50 yrs and about 100 vehicles) and haven't made a "mistake" yet.
Knock on wood . . .
I love that white, I feel like I don't see enough white Porsche's. With that being said does the fender to bumper line mess with anyone elese's head. Like if you look at the car head on the fender and bumper don't line up. Where on the 996 the fender flows into the bumper.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/164088116831
Wonder if these will work on non GT3 cars.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/264639658917
If anyone needs a nice wood door panel. He's got both sides.
I bought my 911 C2 from Brooklyn. It didn't spend much time there but it was enough for some philistine to kiss the front bumper and knocking the clear coat off. It originally lived in CT.
Nothing against my New York neighbors but I wouldn't buy ANY car that spent time in the 5 boroughs.
The detailing alone would be 2X as much just to get the New York off of it. lol
If the odometer says 115k , thats what car has. And real high in price , even if it was a 75k mile car.
https://allentown.craigslist.org/cto...081169690.html
True. Kind of strange. The owner has had it for 18 months, replaced the exhaust and powder coated the rims, only drove it 2K miles and is now selling it. He talks about how the PPI was so thorough that they even told him it’s never been over revved & bragged that it’s never been tracked. He’s the second owner and it’s got 36K on it. Tells me I can get a PPI done but it would be a waste of time since he has all the info from the PPI he got. Some of the things he says make my BS meter go off but I’ll probably go take a look at it.
2k miles in 18 months isn't all that strange. I have so many cars these days I'm lucky to put over 1000 miles a year on most of them. Lus, many Porsche's are garage queens.
as far as the PPI it sounds, like the guy just doesn't want to be bothered.
check it out and report back!
What he said.
I bought a C2 last year, enjoyed my time spent working on it, new suspension, cleaning, interior refresh, etc. but since I own my own business and work from home, have a 2 year old, and live in downtown chicago the chance to stretch it's legs and actually put miles on it is incredibly slim. Add in getting a company vehicle for myself and the porsche has literally been sitting in my warehouse for months now on a battery tender. I think in the last year I've put maybe.... 1000 miles on it? If that?
Feels bad, but also why I'm going to be selling it. I can't stand just having vehicles sitting around.
2000 Silver Cab, 6 speed, 67.5K Miles. $21,500
I know the guy that owns the shop, he is super talented and experienced. Rear main seal and IMS bearing just replaced, plus all the other maintenance has been done within the last year. The owner bought the car from the customer about 1.5 years ago and I think he wants some more goodies for his boat, I just talked to him and he recently sold it to his boat buddy and now that guy is selling it, but the shop owner has been doing all the maintenance on it since the purchase. If you are in the market, this is a good option and I've been to his shop many times (across the street from the Buffalo airport), he has a high attention to detail and doing these cars is something he is an old hat at.
All the details and pictures here:
https://bracketracer.wixsite.com/2000-porsche-996
I'd love to get my wife a TIP...To bad it's a cab
https://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/...079873691.html
it's priced well.
This one has a new factory motor...Woops, it expired.
Yup, I've got 5 cars (now). 3 are sports cars -- the 2000 C4Cab that I just bought, a 2008 BMW 335i and a 2002 Toyota MR2 Spyder -- that I drive no more than 2-3k miles a year but I keep them in the best mechanical/cosmetic condition possible.
It's the car and the owner that matter, not how many miles are driven. I don't think Leno drives any of the cars/motorcycles in his collection many miles but he's got full time mechanics on staff that take care of them and I wouldn't hesitate to buy any car from his collection if I had the $ and opportunity to do so.
Thanks for the perspective guys. Yeah, It's not so much the miles. It's that the guy bought it, made some modifications and is now selling it 18 months later. This is a mature middle aged guy with a decent job in an expensive neighborhood, not some 20 year old who realized he couldn't afford it. Just makes me think there's a chance something might be wrong with the car. I'm just being careful is all. That's why I want to get a PPI. He's out of town this weekend so I'm supposed to go up there next weekend if he's still willing to show it to me.
1999 Porsche 911 track ready
https://newyork.craigslist.org/fct/c...082330661.html
Claims to have a 3.8 FSI engine. I’m skeptical, and doubt JR would have built it with that intake.
I inquired, claims FSI was 2016. Here are some invoices since apparently. Extensive tracking it appears. Lots spent on replacement tranny and 12/19 accident repair. Work order says RABEY btw.
Just as a point of perspective, that describes me pretty well and I love to tinker with cars but get bored. After 2 years with pretty much any car, I'm ready to move on. Sure, absolutely get a PPI, but despite what lots of people think, there are plenty of people that don't like to keep cars long and there is nothing about selling it after a year and a half that points to something wrong with the car.
As a matter of fact, MOST car guys I know will keep cars less than 18 months.
I’m always leery when I see “fresh coolant flush and oil change”. Trying to hide a milkshake issue?? Not saying it’s the case here, but to me it’s just one of those warning signs.
just to clarify, my comment is related to this car:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...11-carrera-32/
I requested photos of the damage that resulted in salvage title. Getting rebuilt title in NJ would be very difficult without both �before and after� documentation.
Thanks! Good to know. I've kept all my cars for 3-8 years and most of the 996's I've looked at have mostly had long stretches of ownership. So, it seemed strange for someone to put $$ into it and then sell it so quickly. We'll see how things turn out for this one.
The names on that invoice don't look familiar to me.
The original purchaser of the engine is who we'd have the invoices filed under here at Flat 6.
I do not recall selling an engine to Speedsport Tuning.
I sell them all... I'd want to see more in depth history on this one, including our tracking numbers that are hidden on the crankcase.
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I don't expect people to be English majors on Craigslist but "stalk blue paint" and "radio face warn" are new ones.
Probably a voice dictation error. Blame Google or Siri. Should have at least double checked it though.
Just saw that one as well!
Well, except for that one time when it was hailing...
I'm surprised the owner didn't pursue having it repaired through insurance.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/p...086222653.html
Another cheap 6MT in Washington. 2000 C4, 86k miles, cab w/hardtop, $9.5k. Says it needs a clutch throwout bearing.
Yes, the asking price really is $600.00, it's gotta be the lowest priced one ever. Ya' don't get much with it though, so be prepared to add a few parts. No rust!
2002 Porsche 911 996 - $600
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/...087235085.html
If it had a clear title and was closer, I would consider swapping everything from my Cabriolet with a tainted title into it. Would rather have a Coupe.
Just "found" a stock red 1999 C5 5.7L Vette convertible w/only 34k miles (supposedly only 1 owner) in my area that I'm going 2 ck out. Only "problem" is that it's an auto but I can live w/that.
Will trade in my red 2002 MR2 Spyder for it if it's in good shape w/service records if I can get it for $10k net. Will report back later if I do
That corvette looks nice. It looks like the bumper hood and headlight are a bit off in alignment. It looks really sweet overall though. Once you go in there they are gonna try and sucker you into some type of weird deal. Those buy sell trade place are always a trip. GL
Why a nice C4 or a 100k mile 996tt when you could be cruising this for same money, No IMS or leaky water ports for same money ,
https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/...086127197.html
...and it�s air cooled!
Id like to have one, but this one is way too much for me. Jake recently sold one on BAT and it was almost affordable. Luckily for my wife, I know I don�t have a place to park it.
Agreed... Oil change (and analysis) and a good clean up of the car (to include polishing the headlights to new glory) would immediately add thousands to the value of that car... Convertible with hard-top included is a nice package. Would be nice to see the build codes on that one...
There's no demand for these cars here...The same ones sit on the market for years. The seats are trashed, the oil's (M1) been changed every 5K but who knows how long it takes to reach 5K on an island? Obviously not a daily driver.
A good friend of mine bought a low mileage BMW convertible a couple years ago at Hilton Head in similar condition. The elderly lady owner had it regularly serviced at the BMW dealership from new. However, she was very obese and wore the driver's seat out. She also did not take care of it cosmetically. The car sat in a carport with the top down so was full of dirt, leaves, etc.
Anyway, he bought the car for almost nothing...no one wanted to touch it since they couldn't see past the dirt. He had the driver's seat recovered/rebuilt and the car thoroughly detailed. The car damn near looked new when he was done. He drove it for a year or so and then sold it for a $10K profit. IF (and that's a big if) the car checks out this could be a helluva deal
Not sure if this was already posted, but a clean white 996.1 w factory aero is on sale in CA. I've been looking for one for years in this spec, and if I didn't have a 718 GT4 allocation on the way I would hop right on it.
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/...072857625.html
Just to close this one out, I never got a chance to go up to OC and take a look at this one. I bought another 996 here in San Diego on Tuesday. Hopefully I'll get a chance to post a pic later today.
101,201. Looks like a nice car but I would have to have it shipped making it less desireable. If it was close enough to go see I would think that this would be a good dea .
It does look nice with some great options including full leather. If it were a <50,000 mile car it would seriously have me thinking about going after it.
Yes. Less than 50K and I would be flying out to drive it back. I would even consider it with the miles if it we local. I love the build other than it doesnt have heated seats.
Sweeny,
The comment you quoted was about the white 99 coupe for sale. The pic came from the Targa with bad engine. I live in Michigan, the cost of fuel to drive 4500 miles to California and back plus the time off of work would not be worth it for a project which is priced ok and not a steal.
Looked at the red 99 Vette 2day. It was ok but I wasn't "in love" w/it and we were about $3k apart. Drove my MR2 down 2 do a trade but @time I drive the MR2 I'm reminded how much I like and enjoy driving it. Bought it 15 yrs ago and it has never required any repairs. Just fun 2 drive and I can always fall back on it if/when I sell the 911.
Gave him a call a week or so ago. It's actually in Kileen, TX - about 3 hours from me. It's been in an accident I think in the front. When he fixed it he had it painted white so not original. So it's got some stories but might be a good deal if you know what to check for.
Spoke too soon, it is back. Wish it were closer, by the time I can make arrangements to get out there it would be gone. Would be a shame to see someone put an LS engine in this.
I know, I look at it every day and there was a time I would have called a friend and declared a road trip. Now is not such a great time for that. It would be in my garage if it was closer.
Just being thorough it seems. Looks like a well sorted out 996 at very good price IMO. I'd certainly be interested if I didn't already own one and lived closer to the seller. The only apparent neg to me is that is not a cabriolet. LOL!
Eh, maybe a
little
but it does say "negotiable". I feel like 20-22k is probably a decent price for a well-sorted & maintained aerokit. IMO, that's the best looking of the 996.1 generation but realize it's really just looks.
You can register a car in Vermont no title? I bought a 92 FAT BOY HD from friend and here in Pa if title isn’t signed and no family are left you when you die you can’t register it here. Only 4 k on bike, so I’m a little hesitant on title s being unsigned or missing.
Yep. I've done it with motorcycles that are sold to me with out paper work. For motorcycles there's a big thread on ADVrider about it, never done it with a car though.
Here's another Facebook "find"
https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/i...1555665153814/
**1999 911 Porsche Covertible*Fire Damage clean title - $2500
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/...100493715.html
First I've heard that these cars may catch fire. Could it be old, cracked fuel lines?
Any vehicle with any combination of fuel, power steering fluid, exhaust, high amperage electricity, or anything flammable or combustible can catch on fire.
Always carry a fire extinguisher in ANY vehicle you care about.
According to Carfax, that burnt 996 was classified as "Fire damage reported due to electrical failure". Title isn't branded/salvage but it does reveal the accident / fire damage back in Dec 2017.
Looks like we know were Hoovie got his color idea, this has to be the cheapest 996 turbo out here, and for good reason, he can't sell it maybe? bet yea this goes for 20k soon!, he had this up on market for a long while,
https://southjersey.craigslist.org/c...098044981.html
I’m not convinced it’s not a scam. Anyone holding $26k cash going there is nuts. Too close to Atlantic City, one of the highest crime rates in the country. Plus, the guy’s attitude sucks.
Oh,the Porsche "graphics" were downloaded to make looking at it a "custom" experience.uh huh. Everything about this ad smells and my guess is even after you guarantee that you'll have a wheelbarrow load of cash with you the "viewing" location will change at the last minute. I've gotten more info from a fellow Porschephile in the parking lot of a supermarket. We love talking about our cars! You can't tell me all of the cool stuff on your car other than a few things including Porsche graphics and a pretty blue wrap? B.S.
With 57.2 psi of boost, I guess
anything
is possible.
"Super clean car fax always waxed once’s a week."
I'm impressed that in between all that engine work, he found time to wax it "once's a week". Maybe he means he waxes the CarFax report once's a week?
Likely very real, 4.0 with 26psi boost? I built a custom 2.0 in 1986 with 26 psi that made 525hp, and things have came a long way since then.
Exactly, my guess is that car has had way more time being wrenched on than driven !!!
And that ratio is unlikely to ever change....
I had a twin turbo 3.0L BMW that put out around 500HP at the wheels with 19PSI.
Different animal I know.
But I bet they're using the 20% factor and giving expected crank HP.
I'm guessing it put out about 1000HP, which is still amazing for 26psi.
I'd love to hear it!
Have you guys checked out BaT lately? There's a nice red mk1 aero on there right now. I'd love to have it, but.... People might think I'm Magnus.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...11-carrera-43/
What do you think the final price will be for this gem?
I bet it goes for top dollar (at least it would in a non-Covid world) simply based on color combo and mileage. Those two metrics seem to bring big money on BAT time and time again. I�m gonna say $33k with the buyers premium + BAT fees.
And to file under “how not to make money on BaT”:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...-carrera-4-19/
You’ve got to have decent photos and respond to the comments!
The ME (like the AE) is an example of when you shouldn't venture from stock. They are very unique cars and buyers will appreciate the original factory look and option package. This car is a example of what not to do with a Millennium Edition. The original chrome turbo twist wheels are gone. The factory airbox has been swapped out for a aftermarket "cold air" intake system. The original PCM radio is gone. etc. etc.
The biggest problems are super high miles with no mention of a IMS bearing swap, lackluster pictures, little or no proof of service, and the seller's lack of involvement in the auction. I don't see anywhere if the seller has commented more than just once?
This one won't end well.
I actually understand why the seller of the Millennium Edition car made a "sub par" ad. It's a high mileage 996 that's not original. I get the feeling that the owner knows, or accepts, that the car won't fetch too much. Often the amount of work to clean up the car and invest time selling it just isn't worth it to the seller.
That's one major reason why so many people trade in cars over selling them themselves.
Personally, I would prefer to buy a car like that because I would like to do most of the work myself. I would prefer that the IMSB hasn't been changed as well. I want the lowest price possible.
I think that is true for a Honda being sold on Craigslist. Why bother putting a car on BaT (which costs the seller $99 no matter what), if you�re not willing to put in a little effort. It�s pretty clear that there is a correlation between presentation / interaction and final bid.
Why would BaT even take this car? They seem to be all over the place lately. Not saying its a bad car but it doesn't seem like it's of the caliber that should be on such a site.
You're missing the fact that he has a rare car and knows the best audience for his listing are people who frequent sites like BaT. Rare cars, more matter condition will see higher success rate of bidding on sites like that.
Now proper timing of selling a rare car matters too. If many of them are on the market, it's a buyer's market then, not a sellers.
A regular Honda should be posted on Craigslist. Beat to crap Type R belongs on BaT.
i think he is going to have to drop about 10 k off, cool interior kinda, not me, but interesting.
https://cnj.craigslist.org/ctd/d/lak...102896290.html
What a crazy spec!! (not my cup of tea though)
I even didnt know that some of those options were ever available (for instance, having the PCM painted in exterior color
)
I completely get that that car does belong on BaT. I don�t get why you list it there without even bothering to clean it up and take some decent photos.
Given the miles, it seems like he still did pretty well all things considered.
The 996 Red Aero went for $37,000. Wow!
I'm starting to get hooked on watching BaT auctions.
Lots of nice cars in the 996 area at the moment. What do you think the next cabriolet will go for? I'd say it would exceed $20,000 but since the IMS bearing hasn't been swapped out, I think it will stay around $17-$18K mark.
I�ve toyed with putting mine on there any maybe moving onto a Panamera Turbo for the family. Not sure how it would fair though - most of the 996s that are on there are low mileage - mine is a 100k C4s. Anyone see what those go for? Mine at least has the IMS Solution so that would be taken care.
I totally thought it would go for top dollar, but my top dollar apparently isn't as high as others... don't mind that at all. A really nice car, for sure.
There's a lot of range on BAT. Color combo and mileage get all the money, but a 100k C4s in the right spec with all the needed preventative maintenance done could bring upper 20's if it's clean enough.
I disagree. A 100k mile 4S that is clean with good maintenance history and an LN IMSb installed will bring a minimum of $30k. If it is in great condition with desire able options and or color you�ll get $35k. So somewhere between $30-35k is what you should expect.
Given that your PM box is full I would bet you are getting a lot of response about your C4S. I would be interested in the specs and some pictures should you decide to sell.
Greg
Disagree all ya want, but I wasn't stating an opinion. I'm a bit of a BAT fanatic that also owns a well maintained C4s w/ 100k. As such, I've followed every C4s auction on BAT for the past few years and NEVER seen one w/ over 100k sell for over $30k regardless of spec/maintenance. A few examples from the past year:
The only one i recall that actually sold with over 100k on it was this
2003 w/ 111k sold for $25,251
2002 w/ 76k mi sold for $29k
2003 w/ 87k mi sold for $28k
2002 w/ 81k mi sold for just under $24k
2002 w/ 86kmi sold for $28.5k
Most of those listed above have varying levels of deferred maintenance needed and rather bland specs, which is why i said the right spec, color combo and maintenance could bring upper 20's. Such
an example
sold last December which imho is a really nice color combo, really nice specs, gobs of nice upgrades AND a replacement motor w/ roughly 50k mi on it, under 100k and it STILL didn't hit the $30k mark.
There are plenty of 996 C4s cars that have sold for more than $30k on BAT over the past few months, but all garage queens w/ low miles (and likely tons of maintenance needed from sitting unused). But I'm fine w/ that, when i was shopping, i found a car that had been driven regularly, maintained religiously and I've have trouble ownership as a result.
I was thinking the same thing. Someone wanted that car badly.
All things considered though, 996�s on BAT seem to sell for a premium. Used to be able to get some really good deals on there. Lately it should be bring a trailer full of cash.
The PCA listings are about 10 years behind craiglist in terms of functionality...
2001 911 Carrera Cabriolet, $13k
https://www.pca.org/classified-ad/342055
His car is worth every bit of the money it brought. I'm surprised it didn't go for more with the maintenance history (not to mention who did the maintenance) and relatively low miles. I'd expect someone to list that car for privately for about the same money and get close to asking. BAT seems to be adding about a $5k premium to 996 prices lately so he may have B3 may have come up a little short.
DIY just a couple of hundred dollars from a dismantler. Brand new headliner from factory w/labor probably a couple thousand dollars because it looks like a brand new pre-cut headliner is about $1,900 though I didn't look very hard for a bargain on either end. Plenty of dismantled parts on eBay per usual.
IMO: hideous interior color and I'm betting as soon as you started driving, stuff would be "falling off" this thing left and right.
I've never seen that interior color before and I suspect there's a reason for that...
11k miles. Personally, I see that as a negative but the market typically grants a premium for such. Some collector will pay more than $26k, just gotta find �em.
Actually the interior doesn't look that bad to me...on my iPhone.
My car has Metropol Blue.
It is about as dark of a blue that you can get before it is black.
I didn't realize it was blue when I bought it, I thought it was black.
I wish it were black, it would be easier to find replacement parts for.
When I installed my FunctionForward shift ****, I bought a new shifter boot from Redline in their darkest blue...I then ended up re-ordering one in black.
It matched better.
11K miles would worry me.
I bet every hose and seal is in bad shape, if they've not been replaced.
I would prefer a 111K mile car than a 11K mile car.
I didn't look, but I hope they have proof that the oil has been changed regularly.
I would worry that they only had it changed at 10K miles.
Right !! " He thought he had an AOS problem"? Well he was right he did !! In the worst way !!!! He should have had a UAOS,(shameless plug).
"another one bits the dust"
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...pXgp26-Ylz1DbJ
I'm not buying the "I thought I had an AOS problem, replaced it and still had white smoke so I started the process but it got to(o) expensive" story.
I think it is actually, "I had white smoke, replaced the AOS, still had smoke and continued to drive it until I heard a horrible sound, so I started the process but found out how much a shortblock was so here it is, please tow away my misery. It wasn't my fault!"
Would the UAOS have helped? Probably
Could the same thing happen if it wasn't fixed properly and the warnings were ignored? Absolutely, but it would have taken a lot longer.
You Tube
Since oil hydro-lock caused by AOS malfunction is directed toward #4 cylinder, coupled to white smoke, I would say (with 83.33% minimum certainty) the AOS was the cause of this failure.
On a 6 cylinder engine the odds of something effecting any one particular cylinder failure is 83.33% chance (100% /6 = 16.66% x5 =83.33 %)
Yes, the infra-red sensor in the Accumulator in the UAOS would have caught the excess oil and set off the warning system before any hydro-lock could occur.
I agree, it was probably the AOS.
The UAOS could defintely have saved the engine.
I assume that after the AOS was replaced with a faulty AOS, due to the labor involved to re-replace the AOS the smoke was just ignored until it hydrolocked.
If the UAOS had a faulty diaphragm, it would have been easy to fix compared to replacing the AOS a second time.
I was just saying, don't ignore the warnings.
The UAOS makes this easy since it allows you to easily replace the diaphragm.
It also gives you a warning which you sometimes don't get with a factory style AOS.
I always try to �buy the seller� as much as the car and this seller is making all the right noises, that�s for sure.
Essentially lack of knowledge on proper terminology by the seller. PTS is only an external designation, interior special orders during the 996 era was option 999 and simply known as �Special Instructions.� That looks pretty close to Can Can red, a bit much for me but the deviated carpet color is nice.
[QUOTE=jllphan;16596745]I always try to �buy the seller� as much as the car and this seller is making all the right noises, that�s for sure.
He had me up until the Landcruiser/LX comment -- if you're trying to simplify before the move and reduce from 5 vehicles, this is, perhaps, a contradiction...
Zanzibar Red Cab in Scottsdale. 38k miles, $21k.
Always loved this color.
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/paradise-valley-porsche-911-carrera/7119086639.htm
r,
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...carrera-4s-37/
besides 11 k miles, this car is so clean, the undercarriage is like art, wonder if it came with no treatment for corrosion or if someone went Dingo Mad( lol, He cleans a lot and made his Turbo Nice)) on this.
Also like the Zanzibar red, it looks like drivers seat is worn for that mileage. Whatever they put on the seats and dash looks too shiny and does not do the car justice. Wheels are just okay, not my choice.
Well now zanzibar, what is the real story of the Porsche that you had posted?? The worn seats and shiny dash turned me off but the different rims has really got me thinking salvage title or something. I'm in the Phoenix area and the car filppers are abundant here. If it looks like,smells like a scam....and I could be wrong but my gut says look some place else.
My Strong 3.6 (less than 60K miles) AT... replacement motor will be for sale at the end of the year.
If anyone see's a low mile roller for a fair price let me know and I'll do it all over again.
https://www.copart.com/lot/54241059
Interesting Turbo with damage being "mechanical"
https://www.copart.com/lot/27502440
Looks like a pretty modified, to someone's 'taste' 911 that got into a serious accident
Wow, that sounds like a money pit!
Fake GT3RS.
Not real convincing though, other than the exterior.
too many seats.
There was a fake GT3 last year that was very convincing. Only way you could tell it wasn�t real was the sunroof or looking at the engine.
It had ALL the interior GT3 bits.
This might be a good deal if someone wants a tip cab. Looks like it was heavily optioned when ordered and may even be a factory aero car:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-Porsch...wAAOSwLg1eryUY
Interesting, wonder if its a legit M97
But they still had IMS problems I believe.
If it's a real M97 swap I'd say thats a nice car at a good price even if it needs some work
Inexpensive 996’s are essentially “clickbait”
They are either convertibles or Tiptronic or both. Not that there’s anything wrong with that- In full Seinfeld voice.
Took me a few seconds to figure out this headline (me..."What does thr front of his house have to do with the wheels?") then I realized what was going on....
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto...110378005.html
is it? Read the description. Every other time he says Carrera he says Carrera 4 then says Carrera 2 then Carrera 4 then 2. It�s weird. Like he�s trying to be confusing.
I emailed yesterday but haven�t heard back yet.
Well I can tell you the Cleveland Craigslist convertible Carrera is DEFINITELY a scam as it was a BaT car not so long ago. The 2nd link where he can�t decide whether it�s a 2 or a 4 is shady af obviously.
Are you sure? Pictures can hide imperfections. Would like to know the color that it was delivered with. Red on red is kind of unusual especially with black door jambs so this could be hiding a lot. Also not so sure if even the third party warranty companies would give a decent rate with that many miles.
I like it enough to have made them an offer but they never responded. I just think $30k might be a bit much all things considered.
Exactly what Garrett said with the added component of It not being his car to sell in the first place. He just downloaded the pics from BaT and put the ad on Craigslist.
I don't see a lot of high end vehicles in the background. Mostly trucks and Mustangs.
I see this a lot with smaller dealers
A nice 911 comes through the auction so they pounce on it hoping to make a quick buck on ignorant people who just go wow a Porsche !
They rarely know anything about what they're selling and the car sits on their lot for a bit and gets punted back to auction
The wrap is probably hiding the scars of 166k miles. I would go take a look at it if it were local. Other than the miles it checks all the boxes for the daily I would love to have.
I prefer the earlier stickers.
That blue sticker one must have been replaced after 2013.
it you knew the date it was installed you Would at least know the engine was in good shape then...if done by a qualified shop.
I feel like I may be dealing with a similar situation with a local 1999 996. I'm no 996 expert, but I've been studying up since this car popped up in town, and as soon as I point out some specific questions and start asking about service history I get an odd vibe. The vehicle would sell quickly on PCarMarket or BAT, so why would they not go that route? That's the question I'm asking myself, at least.
I kinda of like the interior. I’m into green , but the yellow is a no for me , I think with black exterior that interior with black stitch would pop.
Car as gotta be a one of kind color combo.
Garrett,
Such a beautiful color and I love the two toned grey dash. I wish it had better oem options like an LSD and Litronics. I’ve been looking for a pts or low production colored 996 mkI to do a retro build with. This would really fit the bill but just lacking those other things.
colors I’ve considered are this, meridian metallic, teal, and others I haven’t seen to give me a retro feel. Plan is to do a aero kit with hounds tooth interior inserts with some other small details to give it that retro feels.
Darn, BaT server is currently down for upgrades.
"We're making BaT even better."
"
We’re hard at work on some site upgrades and in order to do so, the site needs to be down for a bit. We will be back up and running soon!"
Hey Y'all! My neighbor has been trying to sell his 2000 996 C4 in Guards Red with the factory GT3 aero kit (european GT3 look before it came to the US). It's in very nice condition with 75.5k miles - he's asking for $27,000 which seems a bit steep. I'm thinking of making an offer...any advice on what you think would be fair? Appreciate any guidance. Thanks!
IMHO, it might be a reasonable price. Is it a real XAA car or was the Aerokit added later? How much maintenance history is available? What sort of maintenance work has been done within the last five years? How nice are the paint and the interior? If it�s a top notch car that�s been well-kept then it could easily be worth $27k all day every day despite having 75k miles.
Taking it out for a 100 mile loop drive along the Sac River and thru farm/wine country to my favorite meat shop in Lockeford. Waiting in line waiting for them to open now.
Was able to get the car up to 120 per the speedo for a sustained run of about 2 miles on an empty section of 99. It was fun!
But won't be able to do that on the way back home.
Thanks for that info, islaTurbine! The hood sticker does say "XAA" so I take it that the aero kit is factory. It's in great condition but I need to ask about its maintenance history when I get a chance. He says that all o
il changes were done with Motul 8100 Xcess and had the full 60k service.
Funny that I was having breakfast with the guy's and conversation came up if the Lockeford meat shop was still open, great sausages there also. now I know they are still there and will let all know when we play golf on Wednesday.
The 996's with factory aero kits are commanding high prices. I've been following the trends on BaT and the final selling prices are generally trending up above $30k.
That is about right. It was pretty clean. If it had been a 996-1 I would have been tempted. I want a coupe but that car checked all of the other boxes. Most people start between $7500 and $10k for a roller. Takes them a while to come down. The nice ones will bring $5k -$7500 from what I have seen.
Sorry, did not realize that was your car, I had read about it a while back but did not make the connection. If that had been a 2001 I would have taken it to at least $6k or $7K since I have a 3.4 engine that I can use and I am surprised that it went for less than $5K.
I agree but there are enough people out there that want to do LS swaps that it has been driving prices up. The one on PCarMarket that sold for $4255 was in way better condition.
3L H6 eh ?
My car has some TechArt pieces on ii. I imagine that kit was very very expensive to purchase and install
the GT3 RS badge is a bit much imo.
Quality stuff imo.
Meh, they'll be lucky to get 1/2 of their asking price.
The kit looks ill-fitting.
Is this a replica Techart kit, or was it not installed properly, or has it not aged well?
Yes the GT3RS decal needs to go.
This isn't even a close clone of/"tribute to" a GT3RS.
Hey y'all. I ran the VIN of a car for sale that I mentioned above in posts from last week...ran it through VinAudit and it didn't come up with much which was disappointing but a good sign I guess because it looks clean. Five owners and the current owner has only owned it for ~6 months and doesn't have maintenance records from past owners. Would anyone else be able to dig up info with the VIN below? How concerned should I be if he has no maintenance records but a PPI comes out clean? Appreciate any help/guidance!
WP0AA2992YS622484
it scores a 74 on autocheck, 5 owners, no accidents. A CarFax often will have more maintenance info than an AutoCheck. A PPI will tell you what you need to know if the shop knows what they are doing.
not for me, but I don�t hate it. Looks menacing. It�s in my city, if anyone is seriously interested, let me know. I�d be willing to go get eyes on it for a prospective buyer.
https://www.copart.com/lot/40761070
Looked through the exterior pics and said wow this looks nice.
Then I saw the horror on the interior !!!!!
Is that a serious growing of mold ?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2000-Porsch...cAAOSwsQJesJw5
I think I'm going to pull the trigger on this this week, albeit I'm a little hesitant that there aren't service records since they've been lost over 5 owners and I'd be number 6...which does seem high if I ever sell down the road.
I had a long hard talk with my dad about purchasing the car. He's always been a Porsche nut but always said he'd wait until he retired when he had more time to play with it. You can see where this is going...he recently retired and now he's too tired. I don't blame him and he still loves Porsche's but he said his priorities have changed to stay healthy, learn the piano, and play with the grand kids (not mine). When he was first married, he used to own a lot of cool cars and tinkered with them so he understands why I'm so excited to buy this car. He discouraged me from this purchase, saying that it's a phase (I'm 35 and always loved cars/Porsche's, ironically because of my dad) and that he eventually spent a lot of time and money when he was younger and felt a weight lifted when he finally sold them all. He said I wouldn't understand unless I "got it out of my system" but said to learn from him. After the conversation, he said it's my life and maybe I need to learn. I offered the sentiment that I would love to bond with him and fly him out to Seattle to drive it to Maryland where he lives as a father son experience but he shot that down.
I want this car but now I'm second guessing myself and what I'm getting myself into. I'm asking myself - is it just a phase or will I be pleasantly surprised? I've never owned such a nice car and understand that I may not recoup what I monetarily put in but it could be a real gem of an experience. I'm in a serious relationship and I wonder if now's the time and how my priorities may change when it's time to buy a house and have kids (God willing). Anyone have any stories like this with family? Thoughts or advice on the situation and even on the car itself? Anything is appreciated as I'm more than ok with hearing the truth and not necessarily something to affirm me to go buy it. Thanks!
The leather on the frontsfront looks like they used Armorall to within an inch of it's life. It's not "supple" either
he says it has a dual row IMS. I always thought they were gone at the end of the 99 model year, I'm sure someone can shed some more light on that.
The rear slats in the bumper are rare, usually you just see XAA.
he writes 981 as "leather w/o seat cover" but it's actually leather dash and door panels. Nice option when cared for
wheels are obviously swapped, matter of taste I guess
With the way XAA cars have been going on BaT as of late, I think that's a good price and chances are you won't lose if you decide to sell it.
Long term ownership is nice also.
Car is NOT completely stock. Instrument guages are Champion aftermarket. The wheels are not the ones that came with the car but do look OEM Porsche. I have the same ones. BUT the front seats are the supple leather. Just worn from age. Weird it does not have upgrade Bose system. There are door pockets instead of speakers. Option 981 is leather dash and door panels. Easy to look up.
https://www.stuttcars.com/technical/...des/996-98-01/
Nice car !
That eBay car listing has a bit of an "I know what I've got!" feel to it. Guards Red is very nice, though. 75k+ miles and "NO dings, scratches"? That's a bit hard to believe. And I'd want confirmation of the dual-row IMS.
Get it checked out to your satisfaction if you're going to make a purchase. I think the price is fair for a C4. Xenons to boot, which is a nice option.
I wish mine were a C4!
Edit: More pics would help. No "wetness" underneath? Then let's see the RMS area and not just the bottom of the sump.
Interesting. I thought supple was a different option code.
I also didn't know the door speakers were an upgraded system, my really stripped low option 99 has them.
Learn something new every day
Yeah I thought they just changed the wording but it was called draped throughout the 996 models. Al 3 of my 996 had the draped option except for the turbo with the sport seats which I did not like.
The door speakers only came with the Bose system (pretty sure) otherwise you got those little door pockets
factory aerokit on a C4 is rare. Add guards red and the supple leather and moderately low miles, and I think this is a good buy. Factor in $3k for the next year for maintenance and sorting, and you've got a decently uncommon car which will be superb to drive and you will love. If your situation changes, you'll get your money back with no worries as long as you maintain it and don't do any stupid upgrades or mods. The gundo hack is the best alternative to the factory PSE, so enjoy the sound.
My '99 has option 490 (non Bose) with door speakers. Also, on the invoice, they referred to option 982 as 'Soft Look Leather' which I guess is sales-speak for draped leather.
Random thoughts on the whole money/family thing...
Most of the people that commented know more about these cars than I do (I've only had mine 3 months) so I'm not going to comment on the quality of that particular car. If you buy a 996 now you'll get to fix it up and enjoy it before the family comes along. When that happens you can decide if you want to keep it or not. You probably won't have a chance in hell of getting one after the wife/baby thing happens.
Unless something catastrophic happens with the engine, you shouldn't have any huge expenses once you have all the achilles heels taken care of. If you do have to sell it, chances are you won't lose much money (if any). I don't think they'll skyrocket in value but they're most likely near the bottom of their curve. Like someone said, just don't do any crazy mods to it. Also, don't buy a car with a bunch of mods. The cars I saw that were knocking on $30K were the ones that someone had done all sorts of stuff to and they were trying to get that money back out. I think mods generally decrease the value of a car once they start getting into a "classic" stage.
My 99 has door speakers without the Bose. It has the factory stereo w/ the 6 CD changer and the DSP.
I can understand where your dad is coming from, but you really need to shape your own opinion and decision based on what you want. We can receive advice all day long, but in the end, you truly do only live once. I purchased mine when I was 27, drove 400 miles to pick it up, and of course had people told me it was a poor decision. What may be a poor decision in their eyes, has been one of the best in mine, as it brings me joy hitting the throttle and hearing the grumbly exhaust.
The red aero you posted the link to looks to be in great shape and at a fair price, if the cost is in your range then go for it. Worse case scenario you drive it for a year and "get it out of your system" and you'll be able to sell it without taking much of a loss, if any at all.
Take it from a family man - the 911 is a family car. Kids love 'em. Buy it, dude. You only live once. It's going to be fussier than a 2017 Civic but you won't sit in your garage and stare at a 2017 Civic.
Buying one of these cars on eBay always makes me feel uneasy unless you can look at the car and or talk to the owner/dealer. My ten cents is to buy from somebody that has owned it for a while and has a history with it especially some of early 1999-2004 996's. There are some great cars for sale on the Rennlist forum from people that love them and are pretty upfront about there cars. There was one on this week in Wisconsin, a 2004 silver 4S higher miles but a lot of service History, could be a good deal he wants to sell quickly,he is asking $24,000 I think you could get him down to $22
Some times you get stuck on the color, just remember its how the car feels from the inside that counts, your not looking at it when you are driving hard and fast, first one needs to be safe, reliable and have some good pedigree.
All the best in your adventure, my son and I talk about and love cars, been to lots of F1 races together, done some vintage racing together. Im retired (71) just finished a1995 cab 993 rebuilt (ready to sell) finishing a 1975 BMW 2002 rebuild (ready to sell) also have 2000 ZM3, just put new suspension, top and tires (50,000 miles ready to sell) . Also, have a Chrysler 1955 Windsor and mounted on a ChevySS chassis, discs brakes LT1 motor, retromod big cruiser ( ready to sell). I also have a 2003 Targa 996 as a daily driver in spring, summer, autumn. I look for a cheap 4 wheel drive every winter as a run-around.
Think long and hard about the first one if its a great experience you will love Porsche forever. If it feels good you will fall in love with any color ( maybe not all but most)
Regards
John
Here is the car sounds like it has got good mechanical history I think offering $22 is a start
https://rennlist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=839141&goto=newpost
Thanks for everyone's words of wisdom whether it be around the car and its options or just life decisions and how that looks with a Porsche - it was fun reading! I'll keep y'all posted with what happens...the seller sent me a bunch more pictures via text and I have a PPI scheduled with Kurt from Marque Motors in Portland, OR on Friday!
I second the family car thing When my kids were little we had a booster up front (with airbag cutoff device) and 2 car seats in back. I lost my 2001 C4 cab to my wife who carted the kids to school in it. She worked at the school. The kids all adults now still talk about their rides to school with the top down!! Great memories.
Did some research. I have the 996 companion book and several other resources. Nothing seemed to be definitive except that ANY upgrade from basic sound system replaced the door pockets with speakers. There were many combinations from cassette to Cd to Bose to PCM. So IF your car has any stereo option listed that adds money you got the door speakers!
Option 982 was always called draped leather but every one always refers to it as soft look leather. This hails back to the 993 and earlier! The companion book under the 982 option states both soft look leather and draped leather.
This car was on Craiglist for 17k a few months ago. I spoke to the original owner who said it sold within a day (obviously).
If he's upping the price by 9k, what is the value add since the previous owner so short ago?
His price is right, but knowing he didn't do much to the car to improve it- I could never justify paying the premium.
I've flipped cars TBH - but my stance is always some kind of demonstrable value add in receipts and time spent to get the car sorted from where it was before.
Took a drive in this CL find today. It's a 2004 Dodge Viper but it might be of interest to some here anyway.
Thought I might want to trade-in my MR2 in for it but it's not for me. All raw power and more of a phallic symbol than even a Vette is but I had a lot of fun driving it just the same. LOL!
Anyway, it's in pretty good shape, hauls like a bat-in-hell and handles well for a car of its type. The asking price at $45k is "reasonable" based on the comps I've seen (but you could of course offer less) and it only has 11k miles on the clock.
If you're interested, it's located in San Ramon and you can find the CL ad for it here:
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd...140831468.html
Do it !!
A couple years ago I drove from LBc back to Massachusetts in a yellow Geo Storm with 200k I paid a grand for
http://oneguytwowheels.blogspot.com/...eport.html?m=1
LOL! Vipers coming out of the yazoo!
Personally, I like the graphics on the one I test drove the best but, as I said, it's really not for me. All phallic power but no panache. Besides, I already have 5 cars. If I were to drive any of them cross country (which I've done many times) it would be the 335i but, with the Covid-19 crisis across the country, doing that would be more risking that doing unsafe sex w/all of the puta I could find who could "do" a 69 yr old guy. LOL!. So, I'm not going there.
Was thinking of trading in my MR2 Spyder for the Viper which would only pay for the sales tax/license (if that) but as has happened often in the past 15 yrs that I've owned the MR2, nothing really compares to the simplicity, fun and low cost of enjoyment that I get out of the MR2. So, no Viper for me.
Besides, I still have my 2000 C4 Cab and my 2008 BMW 335i in the garage when I am looking for more power/speed, both of which would give the Viper a run for its $, 500 hp or not.
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Wow! That's some big news for BaT.
Also, this price is interesting. I think it speaks to good presentation, and genuine care and feeding in upgrading by the seller:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...-911-targa-13/
Besides him being firm on condition s , still a nice car and not a bad deal, it’s modified with a turbo ,so I would use caution right from that point, but I agree with yea that he should welcome PPI if car is that perfect.
This should be on BaT!
1-owner �99 in Violet Blue Metallic- wow. How does a car like that wind up at a Subaru dealer?
This is just down the road from me. If anyone is interested and it�s still around next week when I get home, I can swing by and get a pic of the option sticker.
https://www.serramontesubaru.com/use...4b9805a8e1.htm
2001 996 Turbo manual w/73k miles - Asking $40.987. See:
https://sacramento.craigslist.org/ct...143210535.html
Got a text that it was there a couple of days ago and took a drive yesterday to take a look at it but there was no one there and no sign of the car.
Was hoping to at least get a joy ride out of it but had a nice drive in my cab and saved myself $45k (including tax/license) if I bought it) even though I couldn't find it..
If it exists it's at a 2nd rate dealership (based on appearance) named Central Auto located in not such a great part of Sac and I was dubious about it to begin with but if you want to put more effort into finding it, Did see a pretty beat up 2008 Turbo on their lot (which was unlocked) w/auto trans and wires hanging out from the fuse box but obviously wasn't interested in that.
I saw some go into the office but no one came out to ask me what I was looking for and I didn't bother going in to ask either. The place just gave me a bad feel.
So, if you to follow up and find it, caveat emptor, baby!
LOL that location is where all the used car of Sacramento are located and on the other end of the street is where New car dealerships are located, that Turbo is looking nice but don't any used car lot open on the 4th of July.
FWIW, I've been to a lot of used/new car lots in Sac and they aren't all located on Fulton Ave.
Whatever the case, I didn't think any car dealership would be closed on the 4th! They're always advertising July 4th sales. So, I was quite surprised to find no one around to ask me if they could "help" me especially given how aggressive most car dealerships are generally and how few cars they are selling currently.
LOLOL, i test drove this car on 5/4/20 at that dealership during height of covid lockdown. Had a friend in chicago who was looking for a 996 cab. I even posted about it and uploaded audio, i thought i heard something odd. Orient Red over Cinnamon.....they wanted $17,500. Mileage is currently 250 miles higher then when i drove it.
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...est-drive.html
Lol Optionman , they did service day after you test drove it, on Carfax. You must of pointed something out to them.. nice review of car from previous post.
If anyone lusts after Sport Technos:
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-tires-rims/b...res/1504691759
Unfortunately my wife has noticed how many sets of wheels are in the garage and asked me if I have another car I haven't told her about.
https://www.cncexotics.com/details-2...52s653065.html
Any reasons why this one is so expensive? $30k for 50k miles with accident reported to the Carfax.
I am just wondering. I like to see this one sell at that price, that will mean mine is appreciating !
Ocean blue metallic paint?, first time i seen that color , rare or not?.with LSD , pretty clean car.
https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/...165129077.html
That is a nice looking car, my first 996 was the same color and it is beautiful as it will change in different lighting,
mine had the space grey interior which I think works better.
looks to be well kept car. Should make someone happy
I have a 99 cab in the same color but its a cab. It is a really nice color, its gets very bright and metallic in the sun. I keep going back and forth on selling mine, seems like the market for 996 is decent right now.
Works out to be about 5k miles per year so could qualify for garage queen status I guess. Cheapest 4S I have seen especially with ims done. I would be going to look if it were within a couple hundred miles.
Knew that car looked familiar, it was on BAT not long ago, looks like the "buyer" fell through. Should be interesting to see where price falls this time.
Other then the 38k price tag it looks good in the surface. For that kind if money i would buy a 100k mile turbo car. The 996 needs to be driven. It seems the low milage cars always have issues when they get sold and the new owners start to use them.
I got lucky with my 03 4s garage queen. Bought it 17 months ago with only 21,700 miles, 8k in the previous 11 years. I�ve put 18,000 spirited miles on it and resurrected its soul (and mine). Replaced motor mounts, window regulators, water pump, and horn. Never thrown any codes.
Jake will be giving a few hints in the next video in the Focus On: IMS Bearing Failure video on YouTube. The engine will be transformed into a R40 street and track performer.
I dunno enough about 997s but given the cost of m96 engines and builds by the time you put a motor in that thing I would imagine you could just buy a running one with less miles.
Interesting that the same car was listed for $14,500 a year or two ago. It's also impressive that after 21 years and 120,000 miles the leather is a "10 out of 10".
https://carscoms.com/1999-porsche-91...et-125748.html
https://24carshop.com/product/awesom...-m3-2017-2018/
Wish there were better pics of the fender flares.
Would be interested in looking at it if it were nearby.
Could be a start to an interesting track car.
Nice 99 in Bay Area, full Boxster leather, LSD, KW V3's, maintenance history. Higher miles, but looks solid.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto...187958265.html
Hurry up. I can see deezys next flip all over this one.
He did contact me! Don't think I want to sell to him...
Oddly enough, I'm looking to get in a Jeep Wrangler or something similar. Ready to go in a very different direction- at least for a little while.
On the 996 buy sell page on facebook there's a 99 red on gray aero tip with a knocking engine but a spare is included for 10k on OZ wheels in FL
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1610...75617616046768
I don�t know that it changes driving feel exactly, but it does make it more comfortable for me on longer trips. On the highway, I like to rest my elbow on the center arm rest, and in stock form that wasn�t possible without slouching to the right. Not great. The riser put it at a perfect height for me to rest my arm. Yeah, I guess a little pillow would�ve been cheaper... I also knew that I wanted the console delete so that was just a bonus. I don�t regret doing the mod, but it is expensive for what you get.
Okay, okay, I do also have an M235i in the garage for back road fun.
Sold! That was quick. And not to MrD.
https://www.copart.com/lot/48101390/...-nj-somerville
Oof. Trans in the frunk lol
Crappy aftermarket looking front bumper but nice lobster claws and a faux GT3 badge
[QUOTE=danix;16882166]Looks like a deal on a 2002 Cabriolet:
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto...188617993.html
I tried to line up a viewing on this one as it was 30 miles away and likely missed out for minutes...
The seats alone are over 5 grand, engine probably close to $20k, the instrument cluster & ABS computer are sought after and hard to get, the gearbox with the gear oil cooler is a $12k part.
You would need to swap the engine, gearbox, engine wiring, DME, DME wiring, instrument cluster, driveshafts, and possibly the rear suspension, and probably some other parts I'm forgetting. If you had the whole car, yes, all it would take is time. It is a 996 after all.
This seems like a decent price for low mileage IMS replaced 6 spd coupe
https://www.kbb.com/cars-for-sale/56...stoplink=false
Seller CommentsI drive this car daily, therefore mileage will be different than posted. I love this car. LN IMS bearing. While doing this job, the heads were machined, valves re-seated, all new seals. The engine is like new. This car can fly.
This is local to me and I tried to contact this seller several times when I was looking for a 996.
Never received a reply
Even Autotrader contacted me to see if I received a response.
I just posted an ad on CL in my area for my 2000 C4 Cab. You can easily "find it" if you care to look for it.
Didn't want to violate any Rennlist rules by listing it here myself and hope that I have not violated any rules by referencing it in this manner.
I assume I'll quickly find out if I did.
This one calls for a serious Pre-purchase Inspection. I wouldn't frown on the mileage, but I would suspect there may bore scoring. No mention of the specifics done to the car.
This popped up on FB Marketplace. Wonder how bad of shape the engine is in. Only caught my eye because it is white and I feel like I don't see them that often.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...23137484600355
Buy the time you buy a used engine do the IMS swap you will add $10K to price . That is $16500 in 2000 Automatic, convertible not sure that a good deal?
Its probably a $3K car
You need to use internet archive services. You'll have to purchase to retrieve deleted pages.
https://www.harmari.com/search/unified/
It may be easier to ask the previous owner to send you screen grabs of the Craigslist ad. It will still be saved in their Craigslist account.
This exact CL ad pops up every few months over the past year+. I don�t live too far away maybe i should grab a wad of cash and head over to Egg Harbor police station for a no test drive, no offsite inspection, meet and greet.
One with 590k miles and was a tip sold for 25 k This is a better deal than that. That wrap is killing the car, must be , something or he would of unwrapped it., and his no inspection ,no test drive don�t help either.
If anyone in Mass/North East wants a cheap Boxster
https://westernmass.craigslist.org/c...198055705.html
Not the best color but the price is right.
I don't need any more projects at the moment
There was a 996 advertised “locally” a couple of years ago that was completely surrounded by crap in a garage in the pictures.
I contacted the guy and he told me to give him an hours notice so he could get the car out of the garage so I could see it.
I asked him when he drove it last.
“I drive it all the time, but the battery is dead now.”
The registration was VERY expired.
It was very cheap, but the timing was off( I was undergoing cancer treatment) so I didn’t buy it.
I was thinking about buying it sight unseen.(it was THAT cheap)
If there was an engine problem I could have made a profit just by selling it to a dismantler.
Anyone who starts their statement with "I know about..." always proceed to show they know nothing about said topic. It's entertaining, but dangerous for other dumb folks.
Check out the description. It says "NEW HD Bearing"... wow, I didn't know they made a High Definition Bearing. Wonder if it's the 4K or just 1080P version? Beats my old black & white bearing.
This does bring in a lot of questions, since it was recently changed I hope he went with a 4K. 1080P was circa what..., 2009? We know what happened in 2009....., a 1080P bearing could have trapped and preserved H1N1. Not a risk I'm willing to take.
Tito stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night and is a Porsche expert.
I've owned 6 microwaves and I don't know $#!^ about them...except the one I have is more powerful than a nuclear reactor...it's because it's mounted above my oven.
Here's one in my area that jumped out... Not the most perfect 996 Turbo, but definitely priced right for a manual at $33,900.
What do y'all think?
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/c...195682727.html
This is true, good paint work isn't cheap but if this car checks out I think it would do much better on BaT and easily pay for the cost of the work. That being said I guess that takes time, money and their is no guarantee by the time you get your car listed prices are still hot.
This would be a good track car, but I would be leery to purchase a 996 for regular use from CoPart. I know a lot of people do and so I guess it depends on the resources to repair. Some of their flood damaged cars are sickening.
I almost won a CoPart auction on time. Glad I didn't, because moving those cars to the next owner would have been a challenge, almost impossible with the picky Porsche crowd. I ended up finding mine on Craigslist locally. I still dumped a lot of money into the car. Thankfully, BaT accepted it because selling my previous cabriolet was draining talking with potential buyer over and over. BaT really makes the selling process easier.
Unfortunately I got to see a bunch of the Harvey flood vehicles before Copart got a hold of them.
A week after the flood they were horrible, especially inside!
There was a brand new BMW right behind one of these piles of debris.
Inside it was full of mold on the first day that we could get back into the neighborhood.
I didn't take any pictures of the cars.
I wanted to be courteous to the owners.
Out of the 3 weeks of mucking houses, I only took a few house pictures when the owners were not present.
After Harvey was when I started the Car Ministry.
Millions of vehicles were totaled by Insurance companies, but there were LOTS of people who didn't have full coverage.
We helped get several people back on the road.
We didn't do cleaning, only mechanical repairs when possible, and got a few new cars.(which usually needed some repairs)
I wouldn't ever buy a flood vehicle that has mold.
For someone looking for a quick solution for a roller. No affiliation
Porsche 3.4 911 996 Engine complete***
https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/p...208146303.html
Must be owned by a time traveler. I wonder if that sucker is nuclear?
Porsche 2993 911 Carrera coupe
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/c...211680644.html
I was hoping he'd at least include one picture of this future model. Thankfully, in year 2993 Porsche is still using a flat 6 engine. I can now rest easy for humanity.
Yes, and they went back to roller IMSB bearings.
I�m sure FSI, and Jake�s great great great great great....grandchildren are still repairing flat 6 engines after IMSB failure.
Just got a response back on the 2993. Apparently it�s SOLD already. However, they just updated the listing with pics and the correct model year of 2003. So who knows. Sharp looking car. Be even better with a tan or black interior.
If everything lines up and is inspected, including the install of the IMS Solution, this would be a great deal. I wouldn't knock Tiptronic cars, those transmissions overall are pretty reliable.
Technically not Craigslist...but quite a deal. Better get em while you can!
No affiliation with seller...just wanted to share.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1610...14457855496077
^ I�m just glad it wasn�t for sale earlier when I was looking for a 996.
Would have possibly made me break my �I�ll never buy a black car again� promise for the 4th time.
This one would be worth a look if I didn't already have one. Original owner too. Why am I even looking on CL?!
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/la...238288209.html
Might be a little on the high side considering the branded title. At least it is a manual so a good ls swap candidate. I had mine up for sale at $4500 without engine but it is a Tip. Never got a nibble so will be parting it out this winter as soon as I get the engine out.
Yes, some of them, especially those parts that are being offered for more than a new one costs.
But the more reasonably priced parts do get sold.
Pretty much any roller priced between $3-5K could be parted out for a profit, unless it is truly trashed.
A manual transmission should sell quickly for $2-3K.
An engine that isn't completely garbage should sell quickly for about the same.
The problem is it can take a LOT of work(and effort and space) to fully part out a car.
I see a lot of engines with average miles for 10k and they just constantly get relisted. Kind of interesting a salvage yard can just leave that much money on the shelf, literally. Bird in the bush and all that
I ran the build sheet of that car and is quite impresive ($104,355 for a C4S)... but is missing several parts of the original configuration like the Sport Techno wheels or the front lip of the aerokit.
Even that the seller dealer states that "The 911 4S had past hail damage and it was completely repaired by Porsche to factory specs."
Looking to the carfax is easy to understand why some parts are missing...
https://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistor...374&source=BUP
I wonder what makes it severe damage? If it was hail damage I can see why every panel was damaged but in the grand scheme of things that may not be catastrophic damage, obviously not enough to total it out.
Yep, and damage to the roof is the main point of contact, considering the detailed report that every part of the car was hit. Can't just swap it out like a hood, frunk, or quarter panel from a fender bender.
https://www.copart.com/lot/57440360/...o-ca-san-diego
Poor Turbo
Ran the VIN and it has:
TD5 Tourist Delivery VA3 Tourist Delivery Preparation
I assume that means European delivery ?
There�s a legit TT x50 on CL in Chicago area. 6sp with 107k, black, asking $36.5k. Well maintained. Won�t last. Sorry don�t have the link - using CL app.
Local to me, was considering it. Would need to move my C4S pretty quickly after if I could pull it off. Looks like a good deal with lots of recent maintenance from a highly regarded indy.
I bought the same exact car (03 x50 6sp Black) in Sep with 103k and paid $32k. But I knew mine needed tranny service. Tranny swap is $6500. Whoever bought it got a better deal than me. Oh, and my hydraulic rams don�t work either. Which is a better deal....same car with 50k for $60k, or one with twice the miles for mid 30�s??? One nice thing about higher mileage is no guilt adding miles.
Who in SoCal wants to check one of these out for me??
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sf...248931820.html
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sf...248222430.html
Your statement acts like it's a privilege to do so.
Maybe asking someone would be a better course of action especially during these times of the pandemic.
So forgive because this isn't a CL find but I'm thinking of checking this 996 out,
https://www.wheelcitymotorsnc.com/10...rrera-for-sale
A few quick emails back and forth the dealer said it has a replacement motor from Porsche due to IMS failure 10k miles ago (they have an invoice showing the motor was replaced). It looks like it's in decent shape and I'm thinking of driving out to look at it. If it looks good I'll try and get a PPI. What are your guys thoughts on the replacement motor?
I don't have experience with rebuilt 996 motors, but I was thrilled to find a Jeep with 150k on the odo and a fresh motor for the same price it would have been if had the original engine with 150k. But, it isn't a sure thing. The quality of the rebuild matters a lot, and even from the best sources, is a bit of a risk. The quality of the install is at least as important. You could have headaches with vacuum leaks, electrical issues, stripped screws, etc. So, have somebody well equipped determine whether it is "good as new" or whether, as is also possible, somebody needs to take the engine out and put it back in again.
Personally, I'm happy to take a risk where there is a lot of potential upside, and I'd LOVE to have a 996 with a fresh motor for the fresh gaskets and seals alone. But only if the rebuild and install were done right.
Paul
That looks nice aside from the salvage title, I've never seen that headlight mod for the 996 before. I'd give them a call or email and ask for some accident photos.
I don�t know. I shared it because it seemed like a pretty fair price considering the ownership history, maintenance history, relatively low miles, and somewhat desirable color combinations even given the title issue. Those headlight covers should just peel right off as well.
Nothing wrong with sharing it, I agree it looks like a nice car with a nice history but the salvage title is going to hurt it unfortunately. Why would you pay 17k for it when you could get a clean one with the same or less mileage for 20k? I think at 13-15k that is a better price, maybe closer to 15k with all the work done to it.
I live in Danville. Can�t tell from the photo but if it�s the used car dealer I�m thinking of that�s down the street from me it�d be worth a look. Before I bought my car last year I looked at a 29k mile 2004 C2 they had in the showroom. Was pristine. Just over budget for me. If it is this same dealer, they had a lot of very nice high end sports cars in their showroom and seemed to be a good operation. Feel free to shoot me the name of the shop if you want so I can confirm it�s the same one I�m thinking of.
Check insurance and ability to get loan if you need it. Salvage title normally goes for 40% less than a clean title. I have a Salvage title without damage (theft recovery) 1999 Cab that i couldn't get $12k for. It is a Tip which hurts some a well but I think that $17k is a stretch for that car.
Quoting my own post but I contacted the dealer and he did have an invoice of the shop that did the work on the replacement engine. Engine was done in 2012 at a price of $19k which a warranty covered. Roughly 10k miles on the new engine since install. I'm going to drive up Saturday and have a look at the car and if it looks good I'm going to get a PPI done by a local Porsche dealer I almost bought a 991 a while back. This is stupid question and I plan on emailing the shop that did the work but on the invoice it says Factory Porsche Engine, would you think this is a new engine? Or used engine?
You Tube
video walk through seems like it was bought and used solely as a track car. that must be a blast - wish I could do that!
no emergency brake?! what is that about?
Yeah... Imma call BS on this car being a European import. Most likely a track rat 996.1 w/ aerokit.
The few 996.1 GT3's I've read about being imported have sold for a boatload more than these guys are asking.
These guys are only an hour away from me, and I'll be in OKC later this week. I'll stop by and check it out.
I'll drive my '99 996.1 w/ aerokit and see what thet have to say when they're side-by-side.
Or maybe my '99 Boxster "GT".
It takes more than a body kit and some decals to make a GT3.
I know someone that is an original owner of a guards red 996.1 GT3 Clubsport in guards red. The car is in Mexico city. I've tried to buy it from him on several occasions and was thinking of importing it to the US but he doesn't want to sell it. They are indeed very rare cars. Car is at least worth 50k if not more.
I'm no expert, but seems like a real 996.1 GT3.
Pricing may seem like a steal on the surface, but not that out of line with recent BaT auction (which had over $60k in work done prior to the sale for $97k):
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...gt3-clubsport/
Wish I had the funds and space to have a track only car like this. Hope someone here does and takes us along for the experience!
Nice project. I agree that $10k may be aggressive although those wheels are worth quite a bit and with brand new tires they add to the value. If he holds out I bet he could get $7k, maybe even $8k.
I think you guys are overestimating how much track cars go for. 996.1 GT3 is rare in North America indeed, but that particular car is not a clean street example, it is a track car that may be problematic to register here. 996.2 cup cars do not change hands for much more than that, and are significantly better track cars.
As for the authenticity of the car, considering the VIN #, no sunroof, correct brakes, original GT3 decklid (aerokit lid would have the fan on the right side), not to mention the correct lower revving engine of the MK1 car, I think it's pretty safe to assume it's legitimate.
Sure, let me clarify. The GT3 intake is on the right side of the decklid, whereas the M96 cars have the intake on the left side of the decklid. The fan is moved to accommodate the factory intake. Perhaps I should say "further right"?
My point was that car has the correct brakes, no sunroof, correct decklid, so on and so forth. The not thing that threw me off was the rear seat belt receptacles are from a car that did come with backseats, so perhaps it was fully stripped and a few pieces added back.
I'll put my cards on the table. I had a deposit on the car, and had a PPI done. It is indeed a 996.1 GT3 Clubsport.
The car was owned and raced by a gentleman named Bill Lusk who was a real Porsche Enthusiast, having claimed to have owned and sold over 177 Porsche's during his lifetime. He got into racing in his 70's with a 996.2 GT3, and in 2009 purchased the 996.1 from a shop in Oklahoma that had imported it in 2005 for racing. Bill's last racing was done in 2016/2017 and he had made a video of one of his races.
You Tube
Very cool to see him still club racing at age 82.
The DME report came back with 672.5 engine hours and a somewhat expected 65,535 R1 over revs, but also a very concerning 12,342 R2 over revs with the last event being at 666.6 engine hours (~ 6 engine hours ago). The car is in rough shape cosmetically and mechanically as Ahmet noted, and would take a lot to put it back to stock form. It has also had some previous paintwork on the front bumper/hood, the shocks need to be rebuilt, trans could be refreshed, etc.
On the surface it seems like a fair deal, but the cost to refresh that engine would be half the purchase price, not to mention everything else that it needs to make it track-worthy again. I passed on the car but another dealer has likely already bought it as they were waiting on my decision. It may show up for sale again soon, keep your eyes peeled.
I was extremely excited by the opportunity to own it, but it didn't seem to make sense financially. Hopefully someone with deeper pockets than me will have it out racing again soon.
I love hearing about people getting into track events or racing (or really any cool hobby) at an advanced age. Good on you also for being in the market for a car of this nature. I kind of miss my GT3 from time to time. Good luck with the search and feel free to drop me a PM if you have any questions. I've owned many, ran a shop and wrenched on them for some time.
Shared this excitement first time I saw the ad and video.
But after seeing the amount of $$$ that went into the BaT 996.1 GT3 Clubsport that sold earlier, made me rethink the costs involved in getting this sorted (and still not being able to register it for street use) vs developing a 996.1 with a FSI built engine, custom suspension, etc.
I was also using that auction as a barometer. My plan was to use it on the track as is for a few years while I accumulated the parts, then when it was 25 years old restore it for street duty. Having to likely rebuild the motor, suspension, and trans immediately threw a wrench into the dream.
I still find it hard to believe they spent 60k on that white car considering it looked to be in near new condition cosmetically.
Thank you for the tip. The care ended up being sold before I even had a chance to look at it. I'm going to look at another car that popped up locally next week.
Congrats! Best of luck and I hope that the engine is in better shape than the DME would indicate.
I look forward to your future posts on the subject.
I put together a parts list from what I thought needed to be replaced. If you would like I can email it to you.
This car is close to me. I tried to email the seller several months ago about it. Her price was pretty good for it. I believe it was either $18K-$19K. She never responded. Then a few weeks after that, I see a dealership selling it.
Not sure what the story is behind it, but info worth sharing.
This is a pretty good deal for someone with a 996.1 NB. complete Aero kit.
Porsche 911 996 Aerojet gt2 Bodykit - auto parts - by owner -... (craigslist.org)
Hmm it's been reposted
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto...263150871.html
Maybe someone in the area will have better luck. I'm on the wrong coast and my buddy in San Jose is a flakey pot head
Today on Craigslist I found - my own car. Only owned it for a year but just decided I need something with a 6-speed instead. Bought this car as a compromise so the wife could drive it, and she has driven it exactly once. So - yeah. It's a great car in great shape, but I know Tips sometimes are hard to move. I have about $11k into it on top of the $15k purchase price so I know I'll be upside down on it after the sale but I guess that's life. The car is ready to go and drives great. All maintenance is up to date, IMS is done. Paint shines like crazy. I try to be as honest as possible in the ad about the condition of the cabrio top, which I was going to replace myself this summer if I kept the car.
https://baltimore.craigslist.org/cto...267213399.html
Also included is a full 9 minute video walkaround, showing interior/exterior condition, top operation, and car startup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8Dc...ature=youtu.be
wow, I am very impressed with your car! Is that midnight blue metallic, or lapis blue? If I was looking for a car I would scarf up on yours in a heartbeat. Very nice video also. I would feel very confident flying up there and picking up the car because of the video. Good luck with your sale!
Thanks, I want to try to be as forthright as possible, it just creates less problems down the line. Plus, the car is in great shape and I want to be able to show that. It's Lapis Blue with Savannah Beige interior and a light wood package.
Hmmm, Missing the pulley locking pin and boxes for a starting bid of $475 shipped. Brand new from LNE for $516.60 complete? You still need a bearing and if you buy from LNE you can borrow the tools for free. This does not compute.
Better yet,
On ebay both tools, brand new, $459.12 shipped without bidding, :
https://www.ebay.com/itm/LN-Engineer....c100008.m2219
https://www.ebay.com/itm/LN-Engineer....c100008.m2219
For used IMS tools, this is a much better deal!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911...cAAOSwqj1a7dS9
I'm pretty sure it will do any IMS Bearing R&R, except for maybe The IMS Solution.
The same seller (Type4store) has the IMS Solution supplement for ~$200.
This seller is where I bought my IMS bearing tools used for much less than the LN Engineering website.
I'll vouch for him...and most of y'all will recognize the name (Charles Navarro) on the box too.
I wanted to check it out since you said it was so nice...the posting is gone, so I guess you did in fact scarf it up.
If so you'd better bring it by so I can look at it!
Ah, video is still up.
Video starts with, "a short walk around video..." and then I glance down and see it is a 10 minute video.
Beautiful car! I'm going to watch the rest of the video just because.
If my wife saw this she would want me to trade for my car.
She would prefer the blue tiptronic.
The only compromise would be 2 996s...but I'm not sharing my garage space with her.
How do these higher mile 996's hold up (sorry for noob question)? I read about oval-ing of the cylinders and wonder... Buying it for $19k and then having to put $15k into an engine rebuild (or whatever they cost) seems like a less than good value proposition.
mine has over 200k do i would say just fine. Will need maintenance probably, injectors, plugs, coil pack and variocam pads. A good ppi goes a long way. Btw, motors with 15k miles fail too.
I'm curious about this one...listing says its a 99 GT Street, but I'm pretty sure they didn't start making those until 2002 when the Turbo was available. The body work seems to be correct (as far as a 996.1 can be correct in this case). Thoughts?
https://www.kijijiautos.ca/cars/pors.../#vip=18647187
Wasn't digging at Porsche so I hope it wasn't taken that way. Just curious as the higher mileage 996s are in the "ask forgiveness not permission" range. Those of us w/BMWs know not to throw stones in our glass house.
I unfortunately had to take the listing down. I told my wife I was selling it and she strongly objected. Unsure why, I purchased it and she doesn't drive it. or have anything to do with it at all. I had a couple very interested parties in the 24 hours the listing was up. If I can change her mind I'll be re-listing it.
Didnt take it that way. with a used 996 its best to get a proper ppi so u know what u have or its a gamble. There is no factor that would tell u its a good car without a good look in and out of the motor.
Then I wouldn't sell it. My wife doesn't care what I do car-wise. She would prefer that my car has an automatic, but since she can drive a manual she doesn't mind that much. Her knees are not in as good of shape as they used to be so if she drives it her knees start hurting. She's driven it a couple of times without me(while I was working on her vehicle) and once with me. That's in 3 1/2 years ow ownership. If my wife couldn't drive it then I'd have a Tiptrionic.
I came from the BMW world.
My 2009 BMW 135i had a LOT more HP than my 996 will ever have.
My BMW 135i with 80K was an automatic with an N54 with full bolt-ons, port injection, and on 100% E85 it put out just over 500hp at the rear wheels.
The BMW had to be towed home more times than I liked.
About every 4 or 5 months as a daily driver something would stop it completely.
I understand that some of my mods caused a lot of my grief. (lots of limp home days)
But cooling and electrical issues were what cause it to be towed home.
Even though I performed preventative maintenance (water pump, cooling pipes, etc) I still had issues.
Fairly new coolant pipes breaking, brand new BMW water pumps failing, electrical gremlins...I'd had enough!
I bought my 996(50K miles with The IMS Solution) and figured it wouldn't be a lot more reliable, but I always wanted a 911.
But once I bought the 996, I stopped wanting to drive the 135i.
It set for 3 months without being driven...so I sold it.
Yes I miss the HP, but the 996 is a LOT more fun to drive.
Part of that is because of the transmission.
I'm glad I got the manual transmission, even when I'm commuting in stop and go traffic, because eventually traffic opens up and I get to have fun during the commute.
But there's something else that make the 996 more fun to drive.
Now don't get me wrong, the BMW drove great.
It was one of the best and most fun street cars I'd ever owned...until I bought the Porsche.
In the 3 1/2 years of ownership my Porsche has spent 0 miles on a flat bed tow truck.
(I'm not worried about jinxing myself, it already has a 10-0 record over the first 2 years of ownership, so if it gets towed home today it has already won!)
It has stranded me once...at a hospital...because of a dead battery.
A jumpstart and I was back on the road.
My advice is, unless you're into the much older(and reliable) BMWs, buy a 996 or 997.
Are they perfect? No.
Can they be made to be perfect? Almost
I know we focus on cars here, but this is a really cheap hardtop (just the top). If I didn't already have one, I'd snap this up.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/pts...263464295.html
@Tom Loder
congrats!, hope it works out for you. I’m curious about that you find, hopefully you create a thread to document your project.
i was tempted, as this was only 2 hours from me, I couldn’t react that day and the ad went down quickly.
He has been asking for pricing over on facebook. Been told anywhere between $3k and $12K. He is probably looking towards the upper end of that range. If he was local I would consider it since I have an Auto and good engine.
Wow, that is rough. So basically its a roller at this point and he is selling it for 40k. Was the seller made aware of this stuff? Reminds of two other incidents that found their way back to this forum in the last year or so.
Wow is right, that's really to bad. The guys selling it must know there is something wrong with it. The 40EA cars are really special, I drove one once, you could really feel that extra power.
I�m tempted to go take a look at it.
It�s about 30-45 minutes from me.
But I don�t need a project at the moment.
All my extra funds are going towards a FSI Stage II.
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...CARRERA-219698
Wow it went through Barrett Jackson a couple years ago. I wonder if the roof damage is what totaled it
Hard to tell how bad the roof is because the rest of the car doesn't look that bad. Looks like most of the damage is parts that are relatively easy to replace.
https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/c...273250138.html
I know how much the factory aero is desired but...... "
The car has some type of engine vibration coming from the rear, not sure what the issue is but don’t want to keep driving and dumping in more money" .........
https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/WP0AA29975S620211
rare 2005 4s coupe, only 728 produced. Tip. Funny they attach a receipt for IMS replacement among other things, but the shop lists the car as a 997.
Some of the interior pictures are a 997, they are mixed in with the right "996" pictures. I guess all 911's look the same to some folks, some people...
Needs some TLC for sure. Cracked red light bar, curbed wheels, hazy headlights and motor mounts might be sagging judging by the exhaust tips. Definitely needs a PPI but at least not a cold climate car
There was a local import shop with an '06 C4S, 6MT, 144K, and they couldn't get 24K. Ran great, paint had a lot of chips; but it's 15 years old. The prices are all over the board.
I think sometimes it's just a crapshoot. I was watching a red M3 vert, it was at 20k with a few minutes left and ended up at 35k. Another red one with 45k fewer miles sold for 7k less a few weeks earlier. With auctions sometimes it's just the right place, the right time.
Besides the high miles I think there were some simple nuisance items that weren't fixed/addressed prior to the sale like the LCD screen on the HVAC ($60 and 30 min, even for a novice), sunroof switch (10 min?), and the sunvisor mirror cover (just some $). There was also some debris in the back seat footwell in the pics and the car needed a professional detail. Not fixing those simple things shows that the owner didn't try and keep up on it and was seen as dumping it so as to not deal with the car anymore. Basically, a lack of love for the car is why it didn't go higher in my opinion.
Comparing their 4.0 dyno sheet to a Flat 6 Innovations dyno curve for the Track Performer Stage 2 (4.0) is really interesting!
A Flat 6 Innovations 4.0 dyno curve REALLY embarrasses this MaxRPM 4.0 dyno curve.
Not just at the top, where most people look first, but the entire curve.
Not that I'm surprised...just more proof that I made the right choice!
Now I must say that this dyno is much better than stock, and would be a really fun car to drive.
But MaxRPM 4.0 is not equal to a Flat 6 Innovations 4.0 build.
Looking at the interior pictures...specifically the stereo and cubby pictures, there seems to have been a lack of attention to details there.
The cubby looks hacked together and the trim bezel looks hacked as well.
Yes, the AC/controls need to be repaired.
EPS IMS bearing...why not IMS Solution?
SAI code that will have to be taken care of in order to register in lots of places.
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left-side sun visor mirror cover is broken, the sunroof switch is broken, and several of the interior bulbs are burned out."
This should have been done pre-sale.
Looks like a nice fun car, but yeah, the price they got was pretty good.
I think there were a number of reasons...for starters, the seller did not seem to be paying attention the auction and the only way you would get a response was to tag him in a post. Even then, he was slow to respond and did not answer all of the questions asked. Some questions were posted multiple times before he would answer. As others mentioned, there were a lot of little things that were not addressed that could have been. The registration expired a year ago with no explanation. There was an error code listed in the PPI that the seller did not answer questions about. I was interested in the car but the longer the auction went on the less interested I became as there were just too many unanswered questions and what appeared to be a rather dodgy seller.
To steal a phrase from another BaT member, this was a masterclass in how NOT to sell a car on BaT. I was actually surprised that the car sold for as much as it did, but that seems to be far more common with BaT these days. Cars are getting bid up well beyond what they are worth and then sellers on other sites use those numbers/values as the basis for overpricing their cars.
Is the torque curve different to other modified and non-modified M96 engines? The dip in torque between 5.5k and 6k looks very strange to my untrained eye but it does appear to go down to 11 AFR which seems low.
That is a good point. I've been waiting on someone to upload some more pics of a car on BaT that they said they would a few days ago. Can see how stuff. like that would be a turn-off for potential buyers.
Selling a car well takes a good amount of effort, but that can pay off in a higher asking price. BAT is usually good about that but looks like even there, meh examples can slip through the cracks. It seems like the owner didn't care to address the smaller issues and just counted on getting top dollar because BAT. To me, if an owner can't be bother to fix the little easy stuff, how can I trust them they did the big stuff properly? Even with zero mechanical know how, anyone can grab some microfiber towels and make the interior look fantastic. If they don't they just don't care enough and that's not someone I'd want to buy from.
I've studied stock 3.4 & 3.6 dynos, a couple of Flat 6 Innovations 3.8 & 4.0, and stock and modified 996.2 and 997.1 GT3 dynos.
Forgetting the GT3 dynos, the first dip in the M9x curve is normal, but the second one really hurts and makes the MaxRPM above put out lots less HP than a similar sized F6I engine.
Not just peak HP, but the entire curve is behind.
It's a little behind down low, but LOTs behind up high, and especially pronounced after 5000rpm all the way to redline.
I expected that the MaxRPM engine would be below the F6I engine.
It was just interesting to see how far behind.
Of course Jake has his own in house dyno, so you would expect that he has found lots of secrets to building a better performing engine and to have perfected M9x tuning.
I suspect if this engine was better tuned it might be closer, but I don't think it will ever rival a F6I engine without the rest of the attention to details that a F6I build receives.
For those waiting on their F8I time slot, here's a reason for the wait.
If you're in line, then you've seen the F6I dyno charts that I'm comparing the above to.
I find it amazing how some people can post a car on BAT with poor paint and dirty interior. A 996tt RUF modified was on there about a week ago, if you looked close the paint was in horrible condition and the interior needed a lot of cleaning. I would put my best effort into my car to make it look great, hell my car never looks that bad anytime.
No I'm not in line and I really hope never to have the need to! But I will never say never.
This is the first M96 graph I recall looking at. Do you know of a webpage or images of the dyno graphs showing the OEM 3.4, 3.6 & GT3 and also FSI so I can see how they compare?
I’ve found GT3 and M9x dyno charts using Google.
I think most came from Rennlist posts and I think I’ve gotten at least 1 from BAT.
F6I shows sample average dyno charts during the pre-Sales webinar.
Those also show before curves.
If the dyno chart for my engine ends up within 80% of the average they showed, I‘ll still be happy.
Surprised BaT even lets something like that on there. I dunno if its just me but they seem more liberal on what they will take these days. I am not sure if they always have but I've seen some total loss vehicles on there recently.
I feel like they might have experienced an uptick of customers during covid and at they end of the day they are running a business. It seems like they have relaxed the rules of what gets on there... Let's just hope we don't see Corollas on there
Feel like this will do pretty well.
996 Cab up now
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...-cabriolet-29/
Curious what that will do, I have a 99 cab with about the same mileage.
You would think that bidders would take needed work into account but it seems like a lot of them do not and the car(s) get bid up to stupid prices even though they sometimes need thousands of dollars worth of work or have undiagnosed issues that could be significant...
Knowing what I know about the M96 now I don't think I would buy one off of BaT. I'm sure plenty of them get bought up with people just looking at it is a relatively cheap way to get into a 911. I would by lying if I said I knew about bore scoring a few years ago when I bought mine but I felt like I worked enough on the purchase price to cover the IMS/AOS/Clutch though.
Same. I knew nothing about nuances of the 996 prior to purchasing. The only thing in my head was that I wanted an aerokit '99-'00 in GR w/ SB interior and a 6MT.
Then joined RL not long after, and learned a lot, very quickly. The IMS/AOS/Clutch were replaced within first couple months of ownership.
Completely agree. And some of the comments you get on BaT are just ridiculous - like they are college students in their parent's basement. I think I have only seen one or two listing where the results of a bore score check, and that is really, really important with an M96/M97 car. And if you were to pay for a PPI on a BaT car and then have it bid up to a crazy price, you just wasted the cost of the PPI. I am with you in that I don't think I would ever buy anything on BaT or PCARMARKET unless the seller had a PPI done with DME and a proper bore score inspection (from the bottom, not the top) and the price didn't get bid up too far beyond market price.
The last 996 I looked at needed a bunch of work (about $8k worth) and had minor bore scoring...the PPI saved my butt.
Name of the game, and gave me peace of mind. It's an older German car, and there's no such thing as a cheap old German car regardless of the purchase price.
Looking back it was a risk buying sight unseen, so I consider myself lucky compared to others that have been shafted.
That it is...
If you can buy them right, you come out at market value once you have had the work done. I looked at a 996 recently that the owner overpaid for, then put another $5K into it, so his asking price is what he paid for the car + the $5k he spent on maintenance items (clutch, IMS, etc). He has had it for sale for 6 months...
This one looks like my twin so I'll look forward to seeing how it bids out. Same mileage as mine and I did the IMSB, clutch, AOS, water pump, etc a couple months after I purchased mine in October. I was going to wait a year but with the lockdown and rainy weather I figured why not dig in. I spent $2k on parts and took my time doing the work but it was a surprisingly easy job with no hickups. Maybe not on BAT, but some of these well kept examples on Auto Trader and CL, etc can be well negotiated by those that can do the work themselves. By far the biggest scare with these is bore scoring. I cringe every time I start mine but then start enjoying the ride after it's warmed up.
Oh, and my guess on this one is $24,500.
In today's market for 996 4s models that's a steal at $37k assuming mechanically checks out. Not a fan of the black stone guards or the GT2 wing, but that car on BaT is easily north of $40k and probably $45k IMO.
I am lucky I found mine when I did. I picked up my Guards Red C4S 2 years ago and it really was a steal. It took me a year to find one that ticked all the boxes, but it was worth the wait. Also, I don't see Guards Red 996's very often.
Wow that's a lady. Could do with out the Ferrari style shields and rock guards as someone said.
Is it me or do the headlight to bumper gaps not line up very well ?
https://www.copart.com/lot/32516871/...-orlando-south
IMS Sticker next to VIN tag. Poor aero kit, that's a nice ride ! Doesn't take much to total a 996 unfortunately. Bumper/hood n some paint. I bet the retail on an Aero bumper is silly though
I saw that a couple days ago. I'm curious what it'll go for.
I've rebuilt a few cars from co-part years ago and I've gotten pretty lucky but now performance cars have gotten so expensive with the youtube craze of rebuilding auction cars.
Reached out to the dealer in regards to this 911:
https://www.mboffredericksburg.com/u...CA2999YS651943
It ticks all the boxes for me in regards to manual, convertible, and NOT silver. Hopefully it's actually available, usually they are sold in hours.
That aero looks like it could be a good pickup. I know the OEM body parts are expensive but at a glance that damage does not look that bad. The gaps on the doors and fenders look decent and the car overall looks like it isn't that beat up considering it was actually driven with 108k miles on it.
Another overpriced 40AE car:
https://www.audipembrokepines.com/us...rader_listings
This dealer will not only not negotiate on the price but they will NOT allow a car to be taken to a Porsche specialist to be inspected. And even though it is a one-owner trade, they have no info about the wreck on the carfax or any service history.
I would say thumbs down because it's been wrecked based on the CarFax. That may explain the gaps too. Without more information, it's hard to tell the severity of the accident.
There was a post that I saw recently where someone said that they had purchased a car that was listed on Carfax as having minor damage; paint looked like it had been done right and everything looked straight. A while after they purchased the car someone backed into him and he had to have the bumper cover and some light bodywork done. Bodyshop got it opened up and guess what they found...a bunch of crappy welding. He had the shop correct all of the bad welds...did not say how much it was but I am sure it was not cheap. If there is no documentation about a wreck, my default is to walk away.
I've seen three 40th AE cars in the last few years in the 20s. People should be patient. Don't rush a buy a problem. Could be some serious damage to the car. Without an inspection, you just don't know.
Was surprised to see this end up at 21,250 but then reread the listing and realized it has a potential bad AOS and it was recommended IMS, clutch and RMS be done. I think with those issues being present 21,250 is still a strong price. Makes me wonder what I could get for my ocean blue metallic with all those issues addressed.
Speaking of ocean blue metallic this 99 coupe is already pretty high, nice to see a base 911 with a strong price.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1999-porsche-911-49/
Yeah, the buyer got it for ~$22.5k all in. Not bad, especially if he can gain some sweat equity by doing the work himself with $1500 in parts if flywheel not needed. The seller really didn't do a good job: fewer pictures than most auctions and only a 20 sec start video that I can tell was not a cold start since it was in the driveway out of an empty garage. I'd want to see a cold start, driving and walk around videos. In the comments someone asked for a drive video and he declined blaming it on covid. His call, but all together maybe cost him a $thou..
No good. I don't understand people that go through the trouble of putting the car on an auction site and then don't put in the effort while the auction is running. I would be glued to the listing if it was my car.
This currant Ocean Blue is a really great looking car, it's already at $27,000. I would seriously consider it if I hadn't just put a bunch of money into mine. Will be interesting to see where this goes. I think the market is finally moving in the right direction.
Ocean Blue is a fantastic color, its dark in the shade but really pops in the sun. I think I would throw mine up for sale if it was a coupe but a cab is just harder to sell or will sell for lower.
I would like to think that this Ocean Blue has topped out... The graphite on cobalt lsat week sold for 32 and that has 27k miles... People may hate Graphite but seriously I would rather go for pristine Graphite and 27k miles than Savanah plus 50k miles.
In any case I have been known to be wrong plenty of times in the past...
Weird the comment from the dealer that they don't know about the damage... Here it is the true360 report (the link is in the Carfax) made by them...
https://admin.trueframe.com/view-rep...cRSwFxAV01AYWk
To me, s 40th with one owner, 45K miles, sport seats and maintenance in Porsche dealer is not a bad deal in 39K $... seeing the prices rise in the last months...
Typical dealer BS...since it was a one-owner, if they were smart they would have asked for the service records as well as records of the damage. But, like most dealers, they are not that smart. As far as the price on this, I have been watching the 40AE cars for a while and the price is a bit high on this...its real value is around $35-36k. Dealers will always ask more, and this dealer has taken the position that they will not negotiate the price on this car (I asked). Where you are seeing the higher prices are on the the auction sites; more specifically, on BaT. To back up what I am saying, if you look at the last 40AE car that was auctioned on BaT, it was bid up to $39K; however, the winning bidder did not complete the purchase and none of the other bidders stepped up after a 'no-sale' was announced to buy it. So, if it was a good deal at $39K, there would have been others that would have purchased it right away. Right now, there are two other 40AE cars for sale that are trying to push the market for these higher, but they are priced just too high...one of them has been for sale for over 6 months and the seller is content to wait to get his price.
the BaT site is a double-edged sword; it is a great place to sell a car, but unfortunately, you get people on there that will pay more (and sometimes a LOT more) than what a car is worth. THere was a 40AE car last fall that I expected to sell for around $30K because of a moderate accident on the carfax, but three people got into a bidding war and bid it up to $43K, which was crazy high. Other 40AE owners and/or dealers will try to use those auction results to justify their high prices. But anyone who spends a reasonable amount of time shopping/researching will gain a true understanding of what they are worth. The same thing can be said for the 996 C4S cars...a seller on RL actually increased his price after I spoke with him, I guess based on what he was seeing other C4S cars listed for. Only problem is that his has much higher mileage than the others.
not Craigslist but eBay - - anybody know this Gemballa Special Edition
stiff ask at $54++
I see some special badging - special front bumper, kinda cool - HRE wheels - a whole lot of audio
not a fan of the 'splashed' silver interior
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Porsch...8AAOSwdPxgLsAS
Most people are REALLY BAD at selling cars themselves. I look at ads and scratch my head. A little bit of effort goes a long way. If the owner didn't bother to take a decent photo and clean off the leaves, how did they care for the car itself?
Yes, it's just more ammo for a potential buyer to use against you. I understand people that aren't into cars or maybe have never sold a car themselves but I can't fathom why you would put your car on an auction site without doing the bare minimum.
Looks like the AZ Craigslist GT3 "clone/Tribute" car is back.
But this time it is on PCar Market.
https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/2...email%20blast#
Well done clone/tribute if you want one.
I personally would prefer it without the GT3 badges. (kind of reminds me of my own car except I don't have any GT3 badges)
This was for sale last fall and listed on CL for $27K...back up for sale now at $33K. Seller wants $33K and will not negotiate at all even if PPI finds items that need to be addressed. No real service history and IMS has not been done and probably needs a clutch:
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/c...288719488.html
It is at 35k now and I always quietly hope those people who act like this never sell their car. While his assurance that IMSB is fine I would almost certainly work that into the price with the clutch.
I couldn't agree with you more...the clutch, RMS and IMS are a $4k job...guess he raised his price as he is probably getting pushback from buyers about that. I love these guys that try and say that the IMS is no longer a problem because it passed a certain mileage threshold. I always wonder what the real story is when someone buys a car and then puts it up for sale within 6 months...
When I was selling a 996 911 for a detailing client of mine every single conversation started and ended with "was the IMS done?" The only person that did not make a big deal about it bought it because when he actually came and looked at it he could tell it was a nice car. The car had a decent track record of service, recent issues addressed and was in overall great shape for a 15-year-old car. People get too bent out of shape about the IMS when honestly bore scoring is a way worse of an issue you almost see no one talk about outside of the forum.
Yup. Anyone trying to sell a 996 should expect buyers (that have done their homework) to ask if the IMS done and will expect a price adjustment if not. But the scoring is a big issue as well; I did a PPI on a 996 in CA a couple of months ago and found the start of scoring in 3 cylinders...not bad, but it was there. Any 996 or 997.1 that I look at now will get a PPI with a bore check from the bottom. It is not inexpensive but it is insurance against getting a scored engine and is a must if the car spent any time in a northern/cold climate.
True from my experience, I think many of these guys are just looking to get into a 911 and they only know about the IMS and not the other modes of failure or areas to check. So they give up on a potentially good purchase based on one factor, they could easily buy one that had the IMS changed 10 years ago or recently done but there were a bunch of other issues that might be lurking. As long as a PPI checks out and you can get it for a price based on potential needs there is no reason not to buy one just based on IMS. When I bought my cab it was not done and I factored it into the price, there were some other things that needed to be addressed as well. He was asking 22k and I picked it up for 18k.
Sounds like you got a great deal...most everyone with a 996 now is pushing the pricing and asking silly money for them. It's frustrating when you pay for a PPI and then the seller won't adjust for all that needs to be repaired; had that happen more than once. The seller expects the buyers to overpay for the car because they did not properly maintain it. One other thing about the IMS issue; I see a lot of cars that had the LNE retrofit installed and think it is a one and done procedure. They don't realize that those bearing have a lifespan and they need to be replaced at a regular interval.
Honestly your car is much closer to a GT3 than his, he really does not have any performance suspension parts on it. If I were to do a clone at least I would upgrade the suspension as far as I could to make it handle more like a GT3 than a standard C2. To me and my untrained eyes your car seems a lot closer. And yes the GT3 badges would go quick.
Thanks, yeah it should be closer in handling to a GT3 than that one.
Next year, once it has the Flat 6 Innovation Track Performer II 4.0, I expect it will be as quick or quicker than a GT3 too(996.1 or 996.2)...especially where it counts...where it can be used.
I think it will be a LOT more fun to drive than a GT3.
Ugh...sometimes I just scratch my head at people. Likely spent far more on GT3 badged bits than on actual performance oriented parts like suspension.
Just hope we don't see a future owner here complaining..."but but but the tach said redline was 8200!".
1999 LSD! 79K-Mile Porsche 996 Carrera 6sp - FirstFlatSix
I should probably buy this... ticks all the boxes and the OZ rims do this car justice! and its a local car!
Gotta love Greg at FF6 for finding these deals!
that's a hot mess.
I've never been able to find the frame on my C2...maybe a new feature in 2002? And I'm sure everyone with a NA 3.6 would love to know how to get "400+" hp from a "tune"
Sideswiped on the driver's side yet that gap on the passenger side fender/bumper interface?
RUN AWAY
Cloth seat covers, the tail sag / pointed at the ground for additional thrust, 4S (?) bumpers that don't line up well, not sure what kind of bumperette's those are, cop sticker (?) on the rear (+5 HP), salvage title asking $24,000....,
To top it off, with those add on's it should be pushing 500 HP.
https://www.copart.com/lot/32883381/...ca-los-angeles
The things you find on Copart........
https://www.copart.com/lot/36653701/...ncho-cucamonga
Rear ended 40TH AE
https://www.copart.com/lot/34285751/...ra-ca-van-nuys
Holy shhhhh that was in a bad wreck !
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...paign=atempest
https://www.byersimports.com/exotic-...ource=cars.com
if mechanically sound - looks pretty nice. remove the headlight covers and that's a nice looking aerokit 996.1. wish it was local!
https://www.copart.com/lot/37272761/...er-ny-newburgh
997 front end on a Boxster. Not a fan
https://www.copart.com/lot/31076291/...a-south-boston
I keep waiting for this local early 99 to go up for actual auction
https://www.copart.com/lot/31446501/...n-indianapolis
997 converted cab w wingback seats
Interesting build. I am not a big fan of salvage titles but it will be interesting to see what it goes for. Is it possible to follow an auction without paying the $59 bidders fee?
With that example it just says "Upcoming Lot" so they haven't given it a date to go live yet.
Once there's a date, you can go to the live auction on that date and wait for the lot number to come up and watch the bids.
Recently, cabs seem to keep popping up in my area...
https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/...308839845.html
https://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/...308775917.html
But the retail value is shown as $49,840! So someone will steal this bargain car.
A nice orbital buffer will clean up all those scratches. It's just a flesh wound.
Not just the side airbag, but the front ones didn't deploy either. Judging from the impact damage, that's pretty scary. The only logic would be that it was damaged in transport? Who knows.
@Yogibara
, great deal on seat in the Houston area!
https://houston.craigslist.org/pts/d...313838719.html
I think the same seller had some cheap Porsche/BBS Classic wheels for sale too.
$9500 01 Cab AT 91k miles and salvage title. "Runs and drives great BUT it has a 'tapping lifter'" "repairable" Based on the other Porsche's in his driveway, I'm guessing he knows it is borescoring.
https://boston.craigslist.org/sob/ct...312064849.html
doh...missed yours, Garrett. "
Nother bore scoring unit....2001 C2 Cab with factory aero Kit AT, 81k...new IMS, AOS, water pump...but "needs Engine work, possibly rebuild"....$12,500. Contacted him and he said Bank 4-6 knocking and some smoke on start. At least this one suggested that it needs a rebuild. Get the price down, it looks like a fairly good unit to start with (if AT is ok).
https://boston.craigslist.org/sob/ct...315415000.html
Here's another Vert in Massachusetts that's "smoking"
15k seems like a lot for what it is
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/475563316896874/?ref=facebook_story_share
Cab & Tip drop the value...Aerokit might increase it some, so in my mind it is worth $5K.
...that's if it is local and it doesn't cost me more than $300 to have it towed.
Yeah, these cars have gone up some in value if they're in good condition, but engine rebuilds are still expensive!
I have been looking for a 996 for a while now and it seems like all of the sudden (over the last few weeks) everyone is jacking up the prices (especially dealers) and asking absolutely ridiculous amounts for these cars. What's worse is that some buyers are paying them, which encourages the the high prices even more. The worst offenders are the C4S and 40AE models. Even the 997.1 asking prices have escalated to the point that I am about to throw in the towel on the 996 and 997.1s and just buy a 997.2. They are a little more money but I don't have to pay the higher PPI fees to have the engine scoped and deal with IMS issues. Although I did find a 996 with a rebuilt title that is very reasonably priced and in good condition...
Where do you live and what's your budget/requirements? There are some decent examples to be had in the midwest. I'm always looking even though I'm not really buying.
I'm in NC and I have been trying to stay below $40K. I have been focused on southern cars as the likelihood for bore scoring is a lot less if the cars have not been in a colder climate and no corrosion issues. My problem is that I have been watching these cars long enough to know what they are really worth and the spikes in price are just not realistic, but if everyone starts to pay them then I'll just have to deal with it.
I will take a look at some of the midwest listings and see what I can find. $600-$800 for a PPI with scoping adds up quickly...
Appreciate the advice!
Something is wrong with the description/receipts.
Also Flat6innovations doesn't sell an oil cooler & lower temp thermostat, that's LN Engineering.
An LN Engineering rebuild would be great, but not on par with a Flat6Innovations build IMHO.
Something is wrong here.
But yes, I'd like to take it for a ride.
I think that "
modified to Flat Six Innovations’ Stage II specification" if not done by Flat6Innovations is false advertising!
That one looks clean and I like the wheels but that is a high price for a '99, especially with that color combo, original clutch and no IMS replacement. Clutch and IMS is going to be $4k alone.
@kc0433
oh i like this one and i think its failry priced as well.
Last week someone I know purchased a 30k C4s with IMS clutch brakes and tires done at a Porsche dealer for $41k all up...
this presents like good value
Drove past a used car dealership and had to stop and take a look at this one:
https://www.fairlessmotors.com/vehic...CA29952S654202
https://vinanalytics.com/car/WP0CA29952S654202/
$110,000 build, never seen the polar silver metallic before (very sharp), body was in great shape. Car came with a 12 month/12k warranty but fine print stipulated work had to be performed by them.
The 99 would be a decent buy if the price was around $15K...the rebuilt title and no IMS replacement makes it hard to justify $18-$19K for it. MSRP was $65K so this had almost no options.
The 2000 Cab had a crazy amount of money put into it...if all of the engine work is documented, it would almost be worth buying it for the drivetrain and suspension components alone.
Since there were no photos of the interior, it is probably in really poor condition. With cabs I always worry that it got left open and rained on and fried something important...
the 99 is listed on the rennlist marketplace. I told him I�d be more in the $15k range as well, but he is adamant on a higher number. Moved on a different coupe.
But your car will end costing $30k and have a precious trophy of a rebuilt title go for it
and I�m speaking from experience I own an 88 E30 M3 22years and an 18 4Runner ORP both theft recoveries long term goal works for me
Mike
So did you pay retail/full price for them or did you get them at a discount? I found a 997 where the owner provided an Autocheck report that was clean; I pulled a carfax that showed a theft. I wanted a significant discount because I don't know what happened to it...I'll bet the DME report would show a huge amount of overrevs. Anyhow, the seller would not discount for the theft even though he had been trying to sell it for a couple of months.
My point is this; rebuilt title cars are far less desirable then clean title cars and that is why they sell at a discount. Can you rationalize paying full/clean title price for a rebuilt or salvage title car by assuming you will keep it forever? Sure you can. BUT, Porsche sold thousands of 996 C2s, so why pay retail for a rebuilt/salvage title car when there are plenty of clean title cars to choose from? For me, I will not pay more for something than what it is worth.
You might not pay more but many many more will but I got with knowledge of what I was buying
I bought my M3 on eBay 23years ago for 3500 my truck I paid 28000 both have had offers of 35 and 44 so I’m good when or if I sell
but my 996 I bought high 27 but I got a unique and clean example
No...seller said the engine was replaced in 2000, so that would mean it would have a serviceable bearing; the big question is whether is has a single-row for a dual-row bearing. Providing the engine number to a dealer should get you that info. However, there is a question for the seller about whether the bearing in the replacement motor has been upgraded to an IMS solution like the LN bearing. They are waiting the seller to answer; if the IMS in the replacement motor has not been replaced with an upgrade, you want to take that into consideration if bidding. Also, since this car has spent its life up north, bore scoring is a real possibility so take that into consideration.
Sorry...post from seller in comments said 2000. If it was replaced in 2009, it should have the upgraded non-serviceable bearing. you can verify with the engine number.
I think it was a poor choice of words by the seller. They have service records dating back to 2000 is a better way to put it
The invoice isn't clear how the original engine failed. All I see is something about coolant
been listed on CL for a while
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lg...307932389.html
something seems odd about it. rear decklid has been modified inside, not sure why.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ngId=573568230
Cheap Tiptronic in CA that 'may' need a new trans
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ngId=583133034
Another cheap Tip, high miles
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ngId=574329712
C4S with nice options and Tiptronic for 22k
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ngId=582411717
Early 99 Aero cab w hard top
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ngId=576783586
Speed Yellow .2 cab with some tasty options and matching hard top
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ngId=585596291
Cheap C4S cab
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ngId=585375228
Cheap Tip 997
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ngId=585248672
Cheap manual 997
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ngId=578374047
Really nice 99 Speed Yellow with lots of options. Headlights and wheels need to go.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ngId=573676832
.2 cab with TechArt spoiler & skirts. Some serious audio too.
the 99 speed yellow with the ugly wheels and replacement headlights needs work two customers had put deposits on it and back down after PPI. A salesman read me the PPI quite a bit of suspension work. I would not pay $24 for that one. Maybe one of you guys that can do that work May get it. That car has been there for a while.
2001 Porsche 911 996 - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle automotive... (craigslist.org)
@firstflat6
sent this one out today .... but you saw it here first folks!
I got to drive a 996.1 cabriolet last night and really enjoyed it.
Afterwards it got me to thinking about re-thinking my attitude towards convertibles.
I found this one via autoTempest last night.
I wondered if anyone else had spotted it.
Easily reversible, but it did make me shed a tear.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/23394056159...8105&customid=
I like wings...I like big wings...but not on this...
Love the Speed Yellow!
That cabriolet is basically a nice 1999 car, no idea what that wing was about but it is from Miami 😁 love the painted hard back seats, mine is similar but without wing and has factory sport design wheels I love it
Rich
Exactly, that wing looks so POSER!!! The emblems are ugly too.
I would recommend purchasing an OEM original black or matte silver "Carrera" emblem on it back to the factory original.
My first cabriolet had the emblem put on the wrong way too. I then made it look like the 991 version. (see picture)
But if I had to do it over again, I would have just put it back like the factory with the black Carrera emblem.
Yea, this guy's head is in the clouds asking $76K. If the car was totally original and didn't have all the cosmetic issues (bubbled dash and steering wheel leather), he might get in the high 50s.
He should take better pictures too... and for goodness sakes, the man need to clean out the inside.
“We just traded this car in and will now fully inspect it, give it a fresh oil change and full detail! it will soon be ready to
[set forever on our lot]
!!”
There, I fixed it for them.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...ok_story_share
Not a bad looking Turbo. Reasonably priced compared to what they're going for now
Here it previously for salehttps://classiccars.com/listings/view/1434143/2002-porsche-911-for-sale-in-gurnee-illinois-60031
Looks like it has some good options and maintenance/mods
@GarrettSR5
I bought his coco mats last month, and the guy was punctual , responsive and reasonable. He seems like the embodiment of adult owned so I would purchase again if in the market.
This one's pbly worth a mention here, 1999 02/98 build, ambers, LSD and hollow spoke wheels under 20k.
https://boston.craigslist.org/nos/ct...322929218.html
4S, 37K miles, silver on black, tiptronic, Arizona, dealer, asking $44,900. I guess the seller has been watching BAT.
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/...324760528.html
The description says hollow spoke wheels, but I am sure I've read that no 4S came with the hollow spoke version of turbo twists.
if someone wants one they should buy this one. I was bidding on the aero one roller today. With fees it went over $20 and you still have to sort the engine out. Cars like this red one are value for the money on this market right now.
Generally. When I'm perusing adds, those show up first when sorting price from low to high. But then there are the oddballs that sell high on BaT. Hmmmmmmmm.
Driving a coupe or cabriolet is very similar until you get the magical experience of opening the top on a nice day, so there should be a 25 to 50% premium for the one with the special feature. Fewer persons can repeatedly push in a heavy clutch all day so there are many more potential customers for Tiptronic transmissions, balancing against it does slow the 911 maybe today it is a wash and in the future a small premium for the Tip.
The coupe 6 spd is .5 seconds faster to 60. I enjoy getting mine to triple digits and listening to my factory radio (the eagle houston 80 and 90s classic rock and roll. I have only driven a convertible to 100 and there was too much noise, my car was at 160 after my mechanic adjusted the passenger window. Complete different experience. Nice car, my wife wants me to get a convertible for Sunday drives.!
I think this is because the customer population has changed. When they were new, many bought the 996 as a driver and therefore Tiptronic may have been more attractive to them. These days the 996 is being bought by people more interested in a specialty / fun car and less interested in using them as a daily driver. And so perhaps the sporting feel of the stick is more important than the convenience of the Tiptronic. With the cab, the reasons they may be less attractive now might be simply personal preference. For example much of my driving is on freeways and boulevards, I absolutely don't want the top down at 80 mph or while sitting at red lights in the middle of the exhaust or noise of 10-20 cars. The cab comes with even more maintenance needs, and personally I think the look / view / lines of the coupe is much more attractive. Oddly the cab and tip were expensive options which now bring down the value of the car.
Every aspect of it comes down to personal preference and how the vehicle (any for that matter) is going to be used. I've always had a manual since first car. At a certain point in life, went through crotch rocket phase and decided having an automatic daily was now preferred. The situation is the same except the bike was replaced with the 996 as a "fun manual" car. Same thing with Cabriolet verse Coupe. Would love a cab because who doesn't like it when (all) tops go down. The problem is, what lies under the tops usually costs much more to upkeep and sometimes can fuss and become unresponsive for unknown reasons. That is unless you trade it in for a newer model every couple of years....,
Sorry, got side tracked...., stopped talking about 996's at a certain point there, but you catch my drift.
Never drove a Cab 996. Would be nice to own a high mileage model a bit worn but mechanically sound, and keep the top down. I'd never use the door, my seat bolsters would be fresh.
It indeed all comes down to personal preference.
I also switched from riding bikes to driving convertibles and rode/drove them both at the same for awhile. Riding a bike just became too much of a hassle and certainly no fun driving in traffic. So, I eventually gave it up.
Also the GFs in my age group (over 60, when I quit riding) weren't into riding on a bike. They are much happier in a convertible.
I currently own 3 rag tops, including my C4 Cab. I prefer the top down because it gives me the open road feel that I use to get on a bike; a sunroof doesn't cut it.
I also learned how to drive w/a stick. It's 2nd nature to me and I don't even think about it. Paddle shifting doesn't cut it either. My BMW and MB both have paddle shifters but I almost never use them; if I do, it's usually to downshift w/o braking.
I don't feel that it's a burden/pain to drive a stick and I would never buy any "sports car" without one.
I have an M3 modified BMW 335i E90 AT sedan which is faster than my 996 but I do not consider it a "sports car." I consider it a high speed GT alternative to driving my MB SUV in "bad" weather (too hot, too cold or rainy) and/or on long drives where comfort and luggage capacity are more important.
So, to each their own. I'd never by a 911 Tip (whether a coupe or a cab) but the fact that cabs are not in demand is GREAT for me as a buyer; not so much as a seller.
It is what it is. People are fickle and preferences change. Some day sticks and cabs may be come more popular and cost more again.
Time will tell . . .
I wouldn't count cabs out. Time is already telling and the people are speaking. BAT isn't exactly a metric for pricing across the board, but there are plenty of recent cabriolet sales that are $25k - $33k. Probably would have been $20k - $25k about a year ago. Holding steady with coupes! Drop them tops down!
Not sure if this belongs on the Today's Craiglist Finds but:
https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds...ign=2021-05-27
61K miles and $12.9K. Smokes on start.
Nice!
If this were close by I'd be tempted to pick it up.
But adding shipping puts it too high considering it's going to need a rebuild soon.
Plus, where am I going to park it?
Getting no serious bites in response to the Rennlist and CL ads for my 2000 C4 Cab at $25k OBO.
Not sure what the problem is (if has any "insights" please PM them to me) but if no one takes it at or near that price, I'm going to fix the minor body issues which are the only "problems" w/the car and list it on BAT instead w/a reserve of $25k to see what happens.
I love a white Porsche. I will be in Grand Rapids tomorrow and may stop and take a look. Not looking for another project but I just got to take a peek.
That just makes my knees week, I've got to go get a lottery ticket. The problem is I would want to drive the cr@p out of it, I would double the miles in a couple months.
not a real aero wing. Bumper was trashed and headlights missing. Oil fill tube was cracked, and otherwise a pretty avg car before the salvage title.
bid to 10.7k didn�t meet reserve
You can see the mesh screen that is meant to keep debris out of the intake. The real wing doesn�t have that. Also there are generally a few stickers present and the made in France stamp with the P logo embossed in the fiberglass.
Interesting, I knew about the France thing but I don't expect such detail from a copart auction.
is it just a straight shot from the wing to the intake ?
I’m surprised nobody here picked up on my listing on the PCA classifieds. Not exactly Craigslist, but I had some weird experiences trying to sell furniture with them some years back. Emails asking for my bank info from people in Europe , so they can “deposit “ the money 🙄.
I've gotten no serious responses yet on my 2000 C4 Cab either. One nibble but no deal.
See:
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto...324097173.html
Lots of other ads of 996's for sale in my area but w/o actual sales data, there's no way to know if any seller is getting their asking price or even if the cars ever sell (just because a listing expires or is deleted does not mean that the car sells). At least on BAT, you know if there's a "real" sale or not.
FWIW, I offered my car to the dealer who sold me my 2014 Z51 Corvette and the best he was willing to do was $18k. Needless to say, I passed on the offer but at least I now know the bottom line of what I can get for the car from a dealer (either in cash or as a trade-in).
Mine is a 3/98, with a ton of options including lsd, hope you sell at that price. I don�t have $20k in mine and nothing is needed, I got lucky that everything was done addressed by POs. I�m not selling mine im
driving it and enjoying it. Good luck. 🍀
I honestly don't agree. Mine has 94,000 miles and is great shape. My interior is in new condition and outside of the usual front bumper road chips the exterior is pretty decent. I also have a new engine, but I see that as a plus. With that car there should be no IMSB issues with that engine since it's the later larger bearing. Yes of coarse a good PPI is always smart, but I think it's a good buy for someone that doesn't mind a Tip. Really the low millage cars are the ones to be careful with. Just my .02
it has to do with the market. All that work if you can get a decent mechanic and pay less than a shop still it costs quite a bit and these cars are becoming harder to find. I think the seller is trying to sell it now because of the current market situation. This will come down some in future, how much I don�t know. Anyway a few days ago a singer sold for $1,050 million plus commissions so that�s over 1.1 million. There is one now on PCar at it�s already at 900 thousand with a day and a half to go. There is a 8,000 mile GT2 speed yellow. I believe a lot of people know is the time to sell. Anyway lumber from the February high is down 30 percent in cost and also the price for copper has gone down 16 percent.
This is a driver, not a collector piece. It has a lot of miles and the prior salvage title makes it very difficult to get a loan and full insurance. I have a 99 with 80k miles that was not damaged (theft recovery). Granted it is a Cabriolet tip but still could not sell it for $11k a couple of months back. Believe me, the tainted title takes a lot of buyers out of the picture.
i have a 99 clean never wreck coupe 6 speed. It now has 96,000 miles. Got offered 25,000 for it, I�m not selling it. I�m with USAA, in case of rebuilt tittle they will insurance been associated with them for 37 years. No I would not finance a 22 year old car.
Most if the time you will see stupid prices on the auction sites, especially if you have a bidding war going. I have watched several cars go for far more than they should, even with bore scoring. There seem to be a lot of first time buyers registering and buying on the auction sites which leads me to believe that they are not necessarily well informed about what they are buying. Even cars without the IMS being replaced are selling for close to what cars with IMS bearings replaced are going for, and that seems to be another indicator of uninformed buyers. Part of the other problem with the auction sites is the peanut-gallery cheerleaders that try to convince everyone that 996s are unicorns that will be disappearing from the market, which is stupid as PCNA sold thousands of them. The dealers are also trying to push the market with ridiculous prices on both 996 and 997 cars as well. The prices for the C4S and 40AE cars are getting to the point where I could (and would) just spend another $10K and get a decent air cooled car.
A few weeks ago I found a 2002 911 C2 with 104K on it for $19K, which I thought was relatively fair. If you look for private listings, there are still people trying to sell them for reasonable prices. With private sellers, you have an opportunity to get the car checked out thoroughly; with the auctions, you have to take what the sellers says as reliable as it is difficult to get a PPI with a 7-day auction. And if the PPI comes back clean, you are still looking at paying a premium, especially if the seller happens to mention in the auction comments something like "an interested buyer just got a PPI and found no issues".
This is a reasoned, detailed assessment.
Also, not just thousands, but tens of thousands of 996s - over 175,000 - were produced. I appreciate the enthusiasm for the generation, but some of the cheerleading is a bit much.
A-List celebrity owned by the man who single handedly built the only dinosaur theme park in the world? That price is a steal given it's provenance!
Honestly, we can crap on people asking crazy prices, but I'm sure if they stay listed long enough, someone may come around and "have to have it". Don't know unless you try.
That bugs me too, always has, but I�m not sure exactly why.
Same when someone says RPM�s. RPM is already plural.
God I�m old and cranky. GET OFF MY LAWN!
https://mart.pca.org/ads/51290
looks nice and seems on the low end for price given the unique color that the first owner clearly loved enough to use on most surfaces. But what do I know about 996 prices right now.
This is one where I bet that a few of the factory workers actually recalled building it when they came home that night.
https://www.copart.com/lot/48047001/...a-south-boston
Looks clean for a 'vandalism' vehicle
https://www.copart.com/lot/39419211/...era-2-id-boise
Holy sh** that got hit hard
https://www.copart.com/lot/45539981/...ra-2-al-mobile
Bigfoot sat on the back ?
https://www.copart.com/lot/46645141/...a-philadelphia
Not a bad looking green cab in PA
https://www.copart.com/lot/48567211/...ca-los-angeles
Pretty well optioned SY C2
https://www.copart.com/lot/46074661/...urbo-tx-austin
Strange, looks like it has all the parts lol
Yes that is my Ocean Jade Metallic coupe on PCA mart I have long enjoyed the rare colored Porsches having owned a number of them including a few PTS cars. The green car is a unique piece it does have some mileage on it not sure I would jump in it and drive coast to coast but as a toy for weekend drives, cars and coffee, WERKs, and other daily trips it is a fun car. It was originally ordered by the past owner of Suncoast Porsche so it was loaded with a pile of options. Clearly the asking price is based on unique colors inside and out if it was a silver with black interior probably could be had for less $$$ so it fits a buyer who loves colors the way I do. Go Rennbow
Rich
Don't think I would call that 'dirt cheap'...its gonna need $10k worth of "deferred maintenance" as stated by the owner. And that is before we get a PPI and look for other leaks and suspension components that will need to be replaced. It's nice that it is a 1-owner car (presumably with records), but with that mileage $32k is high even for a sorted car.
Anyone disagree?
I haven't seen any with mileage that high recently. I think there was one posted on this forum in San Jose with something like 130K miles for high 30's in the last month but I could be wrong.
What have you seen examples of what other high mileage examples selling for?
You recall the miles on it? It was high.
The paint on this red one looks a little rough upon closer examination...since the owner has 'deferred' a bunch of maintenance, my guess is that a PPI will come up with a large list of other items that need to be addressed.
It was 130k. It was being sold by a small dealer. The Carfax showed a second owner since 2009 at 8800 miles. if I remember it was traded in at a dealer. I still have the vin
Correction it was 150k
Here's the Carfax
https://www.autovhr.com/deal/CFReports-ran/Deal-CFreport_1625094131.html
Only thing I can find that comes close (but not really) is a 2001 TT with 98K miles at a dealer that is asking $39,900 for it. Nothing else up for sale with miles that high...
This one will be interesting to watch...most buyers overpay for cars on BaT and with the way that people are pushing 996 values up now, I could see this one going for $15-$17K when it should really go for less than $10K. This one was for sale for a long time on RL; it was in decent shape but the owner was asking too much...it would be interesting to know what he sold it for:
https://rennlist.com/forums/market/1219525
There are a few examples of 996s with really high mileage (over 400k) but I just don't see how anyone can justify paying any kind of a premium for a 996 with over 200k miles on it.
Not a huge comparison but a low mile 2000 6MT Millennium in 2019 BAT went for $28k, which is probably where this car should be these days for a Tip. Curious if any type of maintenance has been performed in those short 10,000 miles.
Dude is either smoking the funny stuff or is hoping someone uneducated will buy it within the next 20 years.
This 2000 C2 is priced low but I cannot tell if someone put a wrap on it or its just a crappy paint job:
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...ting=307229752
I like these lines;
"My wife does not like it" - Funny
"I don't want to spend a lot of time showing it" - Funny because the car is listed on CL. Home of people who like to waste others time.
Just looking at the pictures you can tell it's pretty well sorted and clean. Prices these days that wouldn't line up even for a crack head trying to offload for a fix. Another giveaway is the text description.
If it sounds too good to be true......,
There was a 99 in Nor Cal last week for sale on Fb. 99 110k miles 6 spd IMS done ... I had nowhere to park it. $21k asking.
This one was wimbledon green with 2 sets of wheels and the matching hard top... I am now wondering what it would have been worth on BAT!
Well, my wife (damnit) likes it. I had a long and enjoyable talk over the phone with the seller. He loves the car but his back issues make it hard on him. His Benz is much more comfortable to him...
Looks like I will be pushing forward and having it inspected since it's on another island..
Unusual to see a BaT listing withdrawn before auction end but this is an unusual situation. Seller claims a drunk driver crashed into his house/garage and maybe totaling the 2003 996 listed. Wonder if this is the “whole” story. Think Sharon Stone in Casino?
you,LL need to scroll down to the conversation comments to see the results.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...carrera-4s-68/
The person edited the listing to enter the correct mileage and year, but you would think it would auto populate once you enter the VIN. I guess he couldn't fix it once he started getting bids.
BaT is really losing their edge. There is a Becker cassette deck but they say CD player multiple times and then say it has a CD compartment.
Anyone with eyes and a brain can see neither of those are true.
Thought you might be interested in this CarGurus listing:
2003 Porsche 911 Carrera Convertible RWD - $16,602 (Great Deal)
Mileage: 113,000 Location: Brigantine, NJ
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/link/307701815
https://www.copart.com/lot/50559961/...fl-miami-north
4/98 purple coupe in FL. Seems kinda haggard but
https://www.copart.com/lot/51269661/...rera-ga-tifton
9/98 coupe in GA, says runs and drives
https://www.copart.com/lot/51021241/...fl-punta-gorda
2000 Aero cab with sport seats. Strange vin label and instrument cluster in KMH - Canada import ?
https://www.copart.com/lot/50886881/...-al-birmingham
Rolled over Turbo, looks well equipped
This one is a bit scary...it has several rust spots and what is the white tape/paper/whatever covering behind the front passenger-side wheel? More rust? Me thinks there is a LOT more rust that you cannot see.
Here's a beautiful 996.1 aerokit in SPEED YELLOW!
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...1-carrera-210/
This is the one to buy IMHO!
I don't care about the specs...speed yellow 996.1 with aerokit! Woohoo!
...I went back and looked closer.
Manual, BBS wheels, H&R coilovers, 3/98 build date...WOW!!!!
The Red one just getting started on Pcar market has only 30k miles and looks like it.
I wish I knew what I know now a couple of years ago. I know I know, who doesn't?
2001 Porsche 996 Carrera 6MT
Yes, but that�s easily fixed.
Yeah, they may be great if you�re daily driving it, but otherwise I�d drop the cup holders and go back to the stock look.
$30k with 6 days left�interested to see what it closes at. That really is some car, that will make someone very happy. And 59k miles will probably end up being a driver rather than garaged.
if you look at the option sticker the only thing that really stand out about this car is lsd and yellow. Everything else is an add on. I just met a guy that told me he could do my center console in the car silver and the seat backs. On top of everything In this car clutch hasn�t been done, IMs hasn�t been replaced, same with with rms. Now if this car was factory XAA, with 408s, x51, and yes speed yellow then we will be talking. Yes it looks different, but that is the same as when I was working, I don�t care about the tittle, I don�t care about a private office just show me the money, he�ll my office could have been the janitors closet. Yes mine is a 3/98 with 408s but is silver.
Almost every Turbo I've seen has the Bumperette delete - rare to see one that has them.
Also I scrolled though the comments and the same 996 simp from BaT is there spamming the same sh&t. Unbelievable
https://www.copart.com/lot/51872701/...er-ny-newburgh
Someone spent a lot of money to convert their early Boxster to a 997 front end.
https://www.copart.com/lot/50512461/...ra-ca-van-nuys
Early 99 cab that looks like it fell off the back of a truck
https://www.copart.com/lot/52167561/...a-2-ca-hayward
High mileage 2000 C4. Arena red ??
https://www.copart.com/lot/53208201/...ra-2-nh-candia
Low mileage tip cab that got bumped in the nose
https://www.copart.com/lot/52937241/...ga-nc-gastonia
Tiptronic Targa with front end damage
There's one with 78K miles for $40K, so this car might be legit. High miles + replacement engine + location = not a lot of people around willing to see the car?
idk - have others seen replicas that have the proper embossed part #, "made in france", etc?
no gurney (but could be missing)
mesh over openings (should have a metal strip longitudinally, but could've been removed and mesh added)
does have adjustment attachments under wing
I would've thought this was OEM
Not me.
Maybe it was removed when it was repainted?
The adjustments under the wing, the markings, I agree this looks OEM.
The grill covers were possibly added when the new rear badges were installed.
Likely it was repainted.
I'd be curious to see underneath the grills.
I have 3 rear decks now. (Factory & Taco are stored in the attic now)
All 3 have a fan & latch.
I can swap between them in 5 minutes with 1 person's help.
4 small bolts is all it takes to swap between them.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...1721029885812/
Try not to fight over who gets this one. The text reads exactly as you would expect for a vehicle that looks like that.
Weird, that car looks like it was still alive in 2020
http://usedfromus.com/porsche-ads/46...ort-seats.html
But had already a rebuild title.
Nice spec though.
Less and less cars will be running. Singer already sold out all his 30 DLS. Remember that Jake Rab� said he was approached by a third company to produce an engine and he said no. I think he also said 2023, I have my suspicions I think a reimagined 996 is coming, by who probably only a few people know. Then the carcass of our cars is going to worth a lot.
seller sent me some additional pictures - it does look odd from underneath:
no threaded insert for rubber bumpers (and they are installed in the wrong place)
slits for rear seal are very irregular - not OEM looking at all
area where the OEM stamp is usually concave, not convex
extra vent square cutout (but someone could do that)
I can't see if there is the post for the metal rib that bisects the air intakes, nor slots in the openings bc of the grills
but enough uncertainty that it's not worth the asking $ imho
to be fair, it's listed as a replica - so it's not being sold as OEM anyway
Seller said that it blew up because it ran too hot. Engine was rebuilt AGAIN under warranty 3000 miles later with a third radiator that solved the problem. When asked about what cylinder liners were used when they punched out the block he said he didn't know but that they were a "race shop", implying that they knew what they were doing. So if they were a "race shop" and knew what they were doing, wouldn't they have installed the third radiator during the first rebuild?
I'll be real curious to see what this sells for with its track history. It was left out of the description, but the seller also said in the comments that the last time it was tracked they killed the transmission and it was replaced with a rebuilt one. That was kind of a bid deal to leave out of the description...
Me neither. Oh my! On the front bumper cover / splitter, is that duct tape holding it together?
I'd say, never buy a 911 when the photos are taken in the uncovered parking lot of an apartment building.
I am no expert, but what company would fund R&D to make a couple of dozen of anything? If it's on the car, who would ask? I'd say that looking at the back side and seeing a factory finish or a rough mold take-off might give a clue, but really, who else would make such a thing? Besides, you're missing the big picture that the price makes provenance irrelevant.
Would there not be the Porsche part number on the back side somewhere? Could the seller take a picture of it? The price sure seems decent even if it is 3rd party.
I don’t understand the whole thing with OEM wings either. If it fits well, works and looks good I’m all for it. I have a Carrera wing on my car, love it, but I don’t care if it’s OEM or not. If it is, great. If not, whatever…it’s gonna stay on there either way.
Anyway, check out this .1. Not a super clean example, but price looks to be reflective.
EDIT: Forgot Link -
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...7015511143285/
There's always deals to be had for 996's. It's the perfect examples where "cheap" deals are fewer and far between.
I mean, can be said for most cars, really just depends on condition, mileage, records, options, etc. That one is a good deal, and has a lot that needs to be un-done. Not too shabby though. Could probably repurpose those exhaust tips into potato canons.
I posted the same car above, from a FB marketplace listing. I think that looks like a decent car. I�d like to see someone get a PPI done and check it out.
I'd be wary of any 911 that has been modded like this. Does not give me confidence that it has been well maintained.
I'm local-ish if anyone wants me to have a closer look.
Totally agree. The miles, the mods, the driver's seat might be trashed, and how much racing around time has it seen? If he gets close to that, the rest of us can feel good about what our cars are worth.
Exactly and doesn't really mention what was rebuilt. I am assuming he could have something like a cracked head or something equally as bad. Not sure where he is getting his price since there a few other cabs locally that aren't potentially mechanically totaled for around the same price.
Still an insane price for that car given its history. Just reinforces my theory that many of the buyers on the auction sites now are thinking they are purchasing an investment and don't understand what they are buying.
I encourage everyone to look at the profiles of BAT winners. I am 100% sure that a lot of the buying on that site is by bored rich people dicking around with no regard for market price, hence the results. BAT cars go through basically zero scrutiny and its up to the comment section to find out if a Diablo has been totaled in a wreck previously or a 996 turbo had the rear bumper resprayed while on the car.
You are 100% wrong. First - I bought my 2000 996 there in March and I may be bored but I am not "rich". Second - less than 50% of the cars tendered to BAT are accepted for auction. Finally, I bought my car from a dealer who has sold over 500 cars on BAT and the comments regarding that dealer are all very positive. Just do you research. I spent months on BAT doing my research. The comments section is extremely helpful. If BAT allowed junk, or disreputable sellers people will simply no longer use it. I just don't get the negative feedback that would prevent me from buying a car there. I agree that if you are buying from a private party, you need to do a PPI. Is it any worse than buying from FB or Craiglist? No. Do the same due diligence on BAT that you would on those two sites. So - you don't know what you are talking about.
yes you're right
its Joe Average on there paying double market price unremarkable cars
BAT prices are hilarious, as a generalization, not a rule.
And if you aren't rich, it would behoove you to find a selling platform that doesn't charge you 5% for literally zero due diligence on their part.
He's actually right. If you look at the profiles of most of the buyers, particularly of Porsche 996 models, most of them have almost no activity of either bidding or buying. Furthermore, if you look at the prices that are being paid for cars on BaT, they are well above what the market values of the cars are and in some cases, ridiculously higher than market value. That tells us two things; first, many buyers are NOT doing their homework about the issues with the cars they are bidding on, and second, they don't seem to care too much about what they pay for the cars. Buyers who know the risks that come with 996 ownership and understand what the cars are worth rarely purchase on BaT because of the prices, but also because it is difficult to get a PPI completed and they don't know what the final price will be if they do. Based on the condition of some of the cars I have seen up for auction on BaT recently, I highly doubt that they are only accepting a percentage of what are submitted. The fact that you bought your car from a dealer that has sold a lot of cars on BaT certainly mitigated your risk, but most sales are from individuals that only complete on transaction on BaT. BaT takes zero responsibility for the condition of the car so buying there is an enormous risk, especially with the issues that 996s have.
The biggest problem with BaT are the "cheerleaders" on there that make stupid comments about the future value of cars up for auction and encourage the stupid bidding that occurs there. Many of them are admitted owners of the same model of car that is up for auction and they are acting in their own self-interest by encouraging excessively high bidding. In some cases, they seem to be doing it to help them justify the silly prices they paid for their cars on BaT. I have bid on some cars on BaT in the past but now it is purely for entertainment value as the cars listed there almost always sell for more than they are worth, and that is before auction fees. The only time BaT can make sense is if you are looking for something very unique that is hard to find and happens to come up there. Otherwise, there are numerous other venues where you can negotiate a price with a seller, arrange for a PPI and do far more due diligence than what is possible on BaT.
It takes all types of venues to establish FMV for any asset. BaT produces enough data points that it can't be excluded just because prices are higher than what a sophisticated buyer would pay, if that were the case many assets wouldn't sell for what they do.
Actually it can, because the prices paid there completely unrealistic compared to other venues. I have had a couple of dealers try to use BaT pricing to justify their prices, but when you look at the auctions for the cars they are using as examples, they are usually bidding war situations where two people are competing for the car. And the prices that 996s are selling for on BaT at this point usually have no basis in reality. The buyers don't care what other cars have sold for - they keep bidding until they win the auction regardless of what the car is actually worth. Now, if you are talking about very rare cars, that is a completely different story.
How many used Porsches do you think sell ever single day of the week across all platforms? BaT seems to average 10-15 Porsches daily, 6 days a week, 52 weeks a year. Hard to ignore what might be the single biggest platform. PCarMarket doesn't move anywhere near that many from my casual observation. Online auction sites attract much larger number of buyers and that is what any seller would want. Prices for all asset classes have benefited from the internet and the expanded market of buyers it allows vs old school used car selling methods. You might not like the results and think buyers are stupid, but the results are the results.
If you are selling, sell on BAT, bat even filters the comments. Yesterday a 997.1 coupe , no IMs done , accident, silver went for over $35, plus fees. I commented at one point that was about everything I would bid, anyway when I commented about a local clean car
same mileage, no accidents, better maintenance for less than $31 and no auction fees they did not post. I think a lot of people there are blind and get caught up in the I won the auction. If you going to buy I think PCar is better . Anyway I have been watching some pricing coming down a bit. Also I seen local cars sitting longer at dealers.
Yeah there's the 996 simp who comments on literally EVERY SINGLE 996, usually about MUH GT1 HEADLIGHTS and MUH LE MANS.
He's a member here too and he's just absolutely insufferable.
Black on savanah, 6 spd with over $20k spent in the last two years. Anyway they want $27,500. If anyone is looking for a driver trouble free and they are going to keep it this would be good at around $25 and change.
Anybody that pans BAT and other auction sites because of the high prices paid is fooling themselves, nobody else. The value of a car is established when an offer is made, accepted, and paid for....not what a poster thinks something is worth.
If BAT deals with mostly premium examples, it stands to reason that the prices paid would be at the high end of the range. If people bid on and buy these cars sight unseen, it is simply a testament to their perception of the vetting process that BAT performs as part of their business model.
I've bought a number of vehicles sight unseen, and from both dealers and private parties. Buying a car is like buying a dog; you hope for the best and live with your choice for the most part.
the last few months bat has auctioned off cars with oil coolant intermix, crack heads, borescoring, other engine problems, bad trannys. I don�t think they have been filtering much lately.
We have an attitude that extends to being anti-social. My correction of his post's spelling error shows an arrogance only available in NYC and MA. All in fun.
all but the tranny where previously disclosed. The tranny showed up on the drive video constantly jumping out of 2nd gear bad synchros. It is extremely hard to be Walmart. Everything for everyone, you are either premier and it shows, or you go for the cheap ones $ Dollar general.
https://www.copart.com/lot/55069291/...fl-tampa-south
What red interior is that ? Looks deeper than Boxster Special Red
https://www.copart.com/lot/55581191/...a-north-boston
Nice flooded tip Aero with hardbacks in MA. I'll be keeping an eye on this, it's a 5/98 but has Litronics and clears. Weird. Wonder what the options sticker says.
They're showing the dipstick which is weird.
https://www.copart.com/lot/42860141/...neapolis-north
What the sam hell is this ?
https://www.copart.com/lot/51962821/...fl-tampa-south
Excellent tape job on the headlamp
https://www.copart.com/lot/53266981s...ncho-cucamonga
Rear ended Turbo tip
https://www.copart.com/lot/52937241/...ga-nc-gastonia
Tip targa with front end damage
You can sign up as a member for I think it was $59. Depending on which State the Copart site is, you might be able to buy as an individual, and you can call the auction site and find out. In order to bid, you charge your MC with 10% of your highest bid amount, then you bid as you wish. If you want to bid more, then you have to increase the ante via your CC, so don't do that when seconds count. If you don't win the auction, you can get a refund quickly.
Look at the title, because if it says Junk or Destroyed, you cannot rebuild it; it's for parts only.
Not looking to rebuild... I have a silver 99 that needs a front bumper (and an aero kit LOL). Could use the sport seats and litronic headlights as well
Massachusetts Copart doesn't sell to the public. You'd have to find a broker. I can put you in touch with the guy I've used in the past. He's out of CT and easy to work with and honest.
I really appreciate that. Will let you know. Would be a cool way to upgrade my entire car but I still have a long road of engine maintenance ahead of me.
Yes, that was the crossover year between the dual and single row, mine is a 2000 and has dual row. Price is a little steep, but they do say an aerokit is being sold with it, so if genuine OEM that's a good chunk of change alone.
https://www.copart.com/lot/56394641/...rera-nh-candia
What would be under the frunk on a 997 there to burn ? Battery ?
https://www.copart.com/lot/56570691/...a-atlanta-east
Donated early 99 but has chrome twists and a '911' badge
https://www.copart.com/lot/52182991/...rth-charleston
King Kong tried to pick it up
https://www.copart.com/lot/56064351/...ter-s-ut-ogden
Looks like a real expensive steering wheel
https://www.copart.com/lot/53266981/...ncho-cucamonga
Rear ended turbo. I like the mileage pic with the RPMs at 2,900 and 94* outside lol
https://www.copart.com/lot/57458811/...rbo-pa-altoona
Another rekt turbo
https://www.copart.com/lot/50664111/...ra-2-co-denver
GT console delete and a big ol' wing
https://www.copart.com/lot/56811101/...-2-ny-newburgh
40th AE with fire extinguishers in front of the passenger seat, weird. Flooded. It's in NY wonder if it's a hurricane victim
Was scrolling through my usual websites to find my first 911, found this 996 in PA. The daughter was selling it for her father, had 110K miles, and suffered IMS Bearing failure, I texted her 25 mins after she had posted it at 7:20 PM asking her that I'll reach out to her after I can source/budget for a new engine.
It sold at 7:36 PM, It was a beautiful C4S too!
Hey Mike! I actually live full-time in mid-western Connecticut, but originally from Staten Island and visit on the weekends some times for family & friends. I'm still trying to find one myself for when I acquire my first 911 for when I'm staying on the island. I actually recommend taking the additional drive up here to either
Butzigear
or if thats too far,
Speed Sport Tunning
. Both HIGHLY RATED Porsche shops in CT, but I'm assuming it'll be more beneficial to find something in NYC/NJ.
I was just up in your neck of the woods my bmw E30 M3 club had our meeting at lime rock great show beautiful day lmk when your back on s.I. We could meet at royal crown for pizza or coffee
https://www.copart.com/lot/60121231/...portland-north
COOL SPOILER
https://www.copart.com/lot/44050441/...er-ca-van-nuys
That GT3 rep bumper looks great on your Boxster. Is the ENTIRE interior covered in felt ?? Wtf
https://www.copart.com/lot/58428061/...ra-ca-van-nuys
6/99 cab with lovely Boxster Special interior
https://www.copart.com/lot/53524161/...n-indianapolis
99 with sport seats
https://www.copart.com/lot/60220641/...era-ny-buffalo
Black & white 99. Looks absolutely horrible
https://www.copart.com/lot/58119991/...-raleigh-north
Strangely modified 99
https://www.copart.com/lot/57475181/...-2-ny-newburgh
Lot of flooded cars from NY coming up
https://www.copart.com/lot/51364581/...er-tx-ft-worth
A Boxster, well done
https://www.copart.com/lot/57122491/...ny-long-island
https://www.copart.com/lot/57476631/...-2-ny-newburgh
Two more flooded 911s in NY
https://www.copart.com/lot/60154211/...sc-spartanburg
Flooded 40AE
https://www.copart.com/lot/59184271/...et-ca-van-nuys
Rear ended TT cab
This thing looks like it has/had a mold problem on the interior. Could be a decent buy if there are not any rust issues but it would need to be thoroughly inspected for both rust and a leakdown test on the motor.
That is a really expensive roller...won't be worth as much with an engine swap unless you try to sell on BaT...the prices people are paying for these are just stupid.
Check this out...a 40AE car with 32K on the clock, no IMS update and needs tires sold for $60K on BaT:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...nniversary-54/
With IMS/RMS/Clutch, new tires and auction fees, the buyer is going to have almost $69K in this thing.
Those are look alike but they are not hollow. I have them in my car. They have 993 parts numbers. Factory original code is 408. Fronts are 7.5� , rear are 9. I had originally verified this with Porsche. There is a huge scam going on with these. The ones that everyone wants are the fronts 7.5 , apparently this has been going on for a while. Bdmaia owns a 996 and seems to be super knowledgeable about our cars. Anyway that blue early 99 coupe that sold on bat yesterday had factory 408s. Another thing on these wheels seems to be that only the 99s are the few cars that could have these wheels. They where original produced for the 993s and once they where gone, no m�s. I have been offered twice $2500 and $3000 for mine with a a cheap set of Italian knock off as a trade. Both 993 owners.
https://www.copart.com/lot/60148421/...a-tn-knoxville
4/98 that says "mechanical" damage in TN
https://www.copart.com/lot/58119991/...-raleigh-north
Crispy late 99 in NC
https://www.copart.com/lot/57475181/...-2-ny-newburgh
Flooded [Water line mark above the door handle !] 2000 in NY
https://www.copart.com/lot/57810361/...-2-ny-newburgh
Another flooded one in NY, Water line about console level
https://www.copart.com/lot/58404911/...mn-minneapolis
Punched in the nose cab in MN
https://www.copart.com/lot/60396821/...-2-ny-newburgh
Another flooded one NY, water line above door striker
https://www.copart.com/lot/61139441/...-2-ny-newburgh
Punched in the side but has sport seats
https://www.copart.com/lot/57476631/...-2-ny-newburgh
Another flood in NY, water line below door handle
https://www.copart.com/lot/61053881/...sc-spartanburg
2002 in SC with 997 seats
https://www.copart.com/lot/52294571/...baltimore-east
C4S in pieces in MD with sport seats
https://www.copart.com/lot/60154211/...sc-spartanburg
Flooded 40AE in SC
Lots of flooded cars in NY currently
This could be interesting for someone on a C4S search.
Porsche 911 C4S - $34,000, Speed Yellow, IMS done, Cab, 6 speed, yellow backed seats, original owner, 88K Miles.
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/...397569004.html
There has to be a huge catch here, right? Must be a crumpled mess of rusted sheetmetal? Even with the salvage title it can't be a legit decent car at that price?
https://cnj.craigslist.org/cto/d/fle...396784843.html
Seems nice for the price , considering the market. of course it probably will need a few thousand.
https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/...395435504.html
Wouldn't the 997 have the larger non-servicable bearing? If So, Either they split the case, or they used that awful kit that bores out the block. I doubt they split the case.
Weekly Copart link scraping:
https://www.copart.com/lot/62146611/...944-nj-trenton
Looks like a well built 944 turbo race car
https://www.copart.com/lot/61739291/...era-nj-trenton
Someone's stalled project
https://www.copart.com/lot/62952431/...o-denver-south
Nice cab with 32k
https://www.copart.com/lot/58404911/...mn-minneapolis
19k mile cab totalled for minor front end damage
https://www.copart.com/lot/62498211/...a-atlanta-east
Aero kit with rear spats in GA. Says runs and drives
https://www.copart.com/lot/62259261/...bo-ny-newburgh
Flooded Turbo in NY. Water line just below the side scoop. Shame !
What rear spoiler is that ?
https://www.copart.com/lot/62098871/...ca-los-angeles
2005 Turbo S cab with 'front end damage'
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[url]https://www.copart.com/lot/62259261/2002-porsche-911-turbo-ny-newburgh
Flooded Turbo in NY. Water line just below the side scoop. Shame !
What rear spoiler is that ?
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That looks like the Turbo Aerokit, both front and back.
Notice the logo in the background. Here where the car is pictured at. Anyone interested should contact Superformance.
https://www.superformance.com/
IMHO, this is a scam. This company has enough brains to know it's worth a heck of a lot more.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/b...-64285204a3eb/
Early 99 coupe in red on gray that's cheap
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/9...-acdd043839d9/
Cheap .2 coupe tip
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...-9067e0ca6d5b/
Highly modified early 99 coupe 6 speed
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto...401877703.html
997.1 that says the Ims was addressed. That would mean splitting the case or using one that bores it out right ?
Weekly Copart scraping:
https://www.copart.com/lot/62113641/...90-ca-van-nuys
Poor Speedster
https://www.copart.com/lot/60148421/...a-tn-knoxville
4/98 6 speed coupe in TN, hard to tell what the ext/int color is. Looks purple
https://www.copart.com/lot/59555111/...fl-miami-south
Speed yellow Boxster in FL
https://www.copart.com/lot/61487261/...ter-ca-hayward
? Spec Boxster Build ?
https://www.copart.com/lot/60695421/...a-2-nj-trenton
Flooded .2 tip coupe, water line just below the top of the rear wheel in NJ
https://www.copart.com/lot/57314791/...a-cartersville
Not a bad looking .2 6 speed cab with a kiss in the rear in GA
https://www.copart.com/lot/52937241/...ga-nc-gastonia
Automatic Targa in NC
https://www.copart.com/lot/62160021/...ra-2-or-eugene
.2 cab with Carrera spoiler in OR
https://www.copart.com/lot/63506101/...-miami-central
997 S with 'front end' damage in FL - bumper looks lose
https://www.copart.com/lot/59893811/...bo-ny-newburgh
Flooded 997 Turbo cab manual in NY. Water line just above lower door gap
https://www.copart.com/lot/60456311/...a-s-nj-trenton
Flooded 997 coupe with red interior. High water line. Never seen a 997 w red interior
Thanks but I tried that on a car in Indiana and it just didn't work out. It will probably go too high for me anyway. A 997 turbo is the ultimate 911 for me but I just can't justify the cost.
I messaged him before posting last night, said I was ready with cash in hand to come pick it up this weekend in SF. Left my number and email.
No reply.
There is no way that car is selling for that price right now...
In 2005 they had the older block where the bearing can be replaced; in 2006 they went to the more stout bearing that cannot be replaced without splitting the case. If you look around you can find the engine number where the change was made...
I messaged him a couple of days ago and have not heard back...probably sold by now. The ad said IMS 'previously replaced' but if it was a long time ago it may be due for a new one. The price is low but not crazy low given the mileage and possible need for a new IMS. From the photos is does look clean though.
This is pretty good deal here, don't care for front bumper easy to change, nice roll bar.
1999 Porsche 911 6 speed lsd coupe - cars & trucks - by owner -... (craigslist.org)
I don’t think it was such a great deal good but not great especially on a salvage and auto
nice car but who did repairs was there any chassis damage is there something waiting for you to happen electrically
too many variables
That seems to be the range around here. This local car was listed at $80k but I'm always leery of aftermarket stereos installed by 'experts' and this one also said a front bumper and hood respray was because of rock chips. That's a lot of rock chips for a car with 25,000 miles.
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/...401787925.html
I'm on a personal crusade against aftermarket radios, especially on high end cars. What was wrong with the factory deck ? Nothing. It's already a premium unit.
I spent a weekend undoing the rats nest behind the ancient Alpine unit someone put in my 996. Never again.
The Car Wizard on YT as a Lambo that another shop installed a cheap Chinese navigation unit with back up camera in and it basically ruined the car electrically. He has a video where he pulls out most the rats nest of wiring. I n s a n i t y
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto...404990743.html
16k for a cab roller. Not even close
https://newyork.craigslist.org/que/ctd/d/elmhurst-2005-porsche-911-carrera/7401558761.html
05 4s cab with some nice options. Not a fan of the GT3 front bumper though
https://newyork.craigslist.org/brx/ctd/d/bronx-2002-porsche-carrera-911-turbo/7395402654.html
Black on red 6 speed Turbo. Seller seems...interesting. not sure what's up with the hood (wrapped ?)
Weekly CoPart scraping:
https://www.copart.com/lot/65160751/...ma-west-warren
Interesting 993 turbo. Sealed bid, looks HIGHLY modified.
This is interesting, looks like it had an agreed upon value of a quarter mill
https://www.copart.com/lot/63703641/...-ca-sun-valley
6/98 Aero cab with a tip and 50k miles, looks nice.
Last sold on Barrett-Jackson in 2016
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...BRIOLET-194274
For 27k according to this
https://www.classic.com/veh/1999-por...51151-JWbZRwW/
https://www.copart.com/lot/63400281/...rera-nh-candia
7/98 coupe that looks like someone took a can opener to the driver's quarter panel
https://www.copart.com/lot/61139441/...-2-ny-newburgh
Some nice options, red seatbelts and sport seats but totaled.
https://www.copart.com/lot/50959371/...ttsburgh-north
Cab with a techart spoiler, funny headlights and carbon fiber interior trim
https://www.copart.com/lot/64077031/...ra-2-tx-dallas
.2 coupe black on black with sport seats, just says mechanical damage
https://www.copart.com/lot/64114801/...a-philadelphia
Nice looking Turbo manual in PA. All the dash lights on though
Incredible where the prices have gone.
If only the Aero came with a tastefully designed spoiler like the TT. I just cannot deal with the looks of that contraption on such a beautiful sports car.
Great looking car. Asking price doesn't equal selling price, but low miles always adds $$$. Curious to know what it sells for.
I used to feel that way about the aerokit/gt3/taco spoiler - but it grows on you! For people that like it, it's the defining feature of the entire aerokit.
I'm curious if they end up getting that as a sell price as well. Pretty similar to mine in all regards besides color.
The spoiler really is what sets it apart. The flow and curves is art.
Considering what lower mileage early Aero cars have been going for on BAT I think they are in the ballpark. It is getting a lot harder to find cars like this one if it checks out as described.
Wow, if I had the funds right now, I'd jump on that. Also, I'd swap out the bumper and back date to a .1 (I think they're better looking) and get going on a rebuild to a 4.0L.
I don't give a damn about miles. I'd rather have this one as the same car with 20K miles.
Since I can't find my early 99 in Carrera white with grey interior, I'll have to buy this one..
Now, if I could just remember my PCA log in credentials...
R44 @4.4L, here we come...
hopefully Jake you bought it. I know is not white but this in my opinion is a deal and it�s an early car 2/98 build. Similar to mine other than I have 408s.
On Facebook under the group 911 buy and sell.
https://mart.pca.org/ads/53732
love how the paint can appear purple and green in the same picture.
also love the natural brown interior. That heavily influenced my decision to spend too much (at the time) for my 2001 Palladio C4.
10/22/2011 Damage ReportAccident reported Vehicle involved in crash It hit a stationary object Airbags did not deploy01/16/2012 Damage ReportTOTAL LOSS VEHICLE
Weekly copart scraping:
https://www.copart.com/lot/10479182/...ttsburgh-south
One HOT 997 targa !
https://www.copart.com/lot/63384071/...rera-co-denver
Well optioned 99 SY cab hit in the back - can't tell if its an OEM Aero but it has painted sport seats, console and yellow stitching
https://www.copart.com/lot/65676481/...era-ab-calgary
Looks like someone's stalled project
https://www.copart.com/lot/62498211/...a-atlanta-east
Aero in GA
https://www.copart.com/lot/65163251/...a-north-boston
Rekt Turbo in MA
https://www.copart.com/lot/39419211/...era-2-id-boise
Holy smokes that hit something HARD
https://www.copart.com/lot/65931951/...-2-ca-van-nuys
Looks like it's lived a hard life
https://www.copart.com/lot/66664201/...bo-ca-van-nuys
Turbo w/ PCCBs. Can't tell what happened, partial roll over ?
https://www.copart.com/lot/57123751/...-2-ny-newburgh
Flooded 04 with sport seats, water line above door handle.
https://www.copart.com/lot/64110781/...-ca-long-beach
C4S cab that went under something
https://www.copart.com/lot/64794321/...ma-west-warren
Another totaled Turbo in MA.. Primary damage listed as 'WATER/FLOOD" yea I don't think so !
It's an X50 too
https://vinanalytics.com/car/WP0CB29984S676419/
https://www.copart.com/lot/58301111/...gt-mo-st-louis
HOLY SHT A CARRERA GT
Est. Retail Value:
$123,480 USD
you are correct. I love my early built 996 and will probably never sell it. The 997 is a more refine modern car. Now I had a talk with FSI on Monday about building a 3.8 for my 996. I was told 31-32k and not till around March 23. So if I can get a 997 Carrera s for lets say $43 or even a bit less, I�ll have two cars. Nothing wrong with 3.4 engine. Cam deviations 1,1, fuel trims on point, compression and Leak down excellent, almost uses no oil at
oil, fixing to do my third oil change. Anyway I got a 3.8 Carrera s air box that�s going on the 996, and I already secured fab speed x pipes, I live my life by Jane Bryant queen �making the most of your money�. Anyway Nothing is set in stone as I am talking to other engine builders and one of them is in Germany, actually a race car engine builder thru my cuz who used to work for Porsche and it�s currently a consultant for Porsche racing teams.
Almost like the good old days:
2003 Porsche 911 Carrera - $13,500
, white over grey, 147,000 miles, Tiptronic (below average pictures and description).
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/...414167340.html
wow. Don�t show this to the guys in the other thread. 4S prices really have taken a blow the last 30 days. There are several excellent examples on Facebook for under $35k as well.
Hey me too. I bought my 60k mile 4S in June for $42k. Then put $20k into it. It�s worth maybe 1/2 what I paid at this point with the last 60 days worth of softening.
Oh well.
I, for one, am very happy about the �explosion� with my �98 build 996. 🤓 I cannot imagine a sports car I would replace this with, except maybe another one just like it, but with a few more factory features and a few fewer miles.
Well whatever the values, I have always thought the 996 C4S was quite the looker. I say that as someone who's owned several C2s, Turbos and a GT3. C4S looks the best to my eyes. Enjoy!
Wow, indeed it is. I did not expect it to have an actual GT2 vin considering the turbo brakes, incorrect wheels, and rear carpet + interior panels from a non GT car. That said, the VIN, no sunroof + non rear wiper panel say otherwise. I stand corrected sir. Also did not realize the turbo brakes would fit the GT2/3 knuckles in the front...
A previous 996 owner local to me bought a 2012 gts so He sold the airbox, and some other stuff that was on his 04 996. Since I know him from cars and coffee I told him friend and family discount so I got a pretty good deal. $180, plus kN filter plus the bracket, plus a paper filter.
I�m in the same boat as you. I love my car. Honestly I�m old fashioned so I really don�t need any other features in the car. I would just want a little more power, but who doesn�t. This is a dilemma because my engine is in excellent shape. I�ll see what the 3.8 s airbox and fab speed x pipe does to it. I was told that the x pipe sound is awesome.
Turbolook 911’s have been some of the most collectible examples for fifty years running. The only issue I see is with the 997 and later generations where I personally cannot tell a C4S from a standard Carrera. 997+ narrow and wide bodies look virtually identical to my eye unless you directly compare width from the rear. And even then the look is just “bigger” not “Turbo”. Anyone know why??
IMO 996 C4S is the last of the “Turbolook” design. That fact alone guarantees its spot in the Classic 911 pantheon forever.
And look at M491 values now: they’ve actually exceeded the Turbos they mimic! Amazing
Regardless of the �explosion�, I said this when they were $15-18k cars all day long... including the initial purchase price I�ve probably got around $50k in my car. Worth it? It is to me... that�s all that matters
We forget somebody already put almost $100K (or much, much more) originally into every single 911 ever built. These cars aren’t vaulting by unusual, temporary market phenomena into some unknown financial realm where they don’t belong.
This car isn’t a Nissan, it’s a Porsche 911.
A $75K 911 SC is no more unusual than a $75K 911 964 is no more unusual than a $75K 911 996.
A 996 Carrera sells for $45K, or a 996 Turbo for $100K, and folks think the sky is falling?? These cars are going a whole lot higher than this before they even get back to original sticker price!
Classic 911’s always go back to sticker. And the desirable ones (Skittles colors and/or performance variants) always go much, much higher (
especially
performance variants IN Skittles colors!). Always. For three quarters of a century and running.
Simple math
So does anyone here actually talk about "craigslist finds"???
https://bellingham.craigslist.org/ct...413915531.html
I'm not sure what is going on but there has been a rash of craigslist postings in the Western states. Someone is posting 911s. If you call, sometimes the number works, sometimes not. Sometimes google message, sometimes something else. If you text the number sometimes someone will get back to you, tell you that it is legit and that you can come take a look but when you ask for the address or a personal call, the reply is that "someone is looking at it now to buy it"
Anyway, I don't understand scams because I don't understand how anyone can try to steal from someone else but I've noticed 4 such adds in the last couple of weeks with the exact same results. Take care.
I didn't mean to step on anyones PeePee's. I saw the that the post had been listed before. In fact that Is how I saw it. I wasn't trying to inform everyone of the ad, My point was to mention that there is a weird "scam" going on. It has been at least four 911s in the western states in the last few weeks.
I guess I should have quoted the original. Maybe that would have made more sense.
So far this looks like the same scam. I started calling it last night and it goes to the same weird phone messaging service. No replies to texts. Yet anyway
Just found this thread. Awesome idea. If anyone happens to come across an Ocean Jade over Nephrite 6 spd in their searches, I would greatly appreciate a tag! I can't seem to find one anywhere, and I'm even open to either a coupe or a cab as long as it's a 6 spd. Last MT I saw was probably 2 years ago and it was a cab, and I greatly regret not buying it. Anyways thanks for any potential help 👍
That's pretty much my grail 996. I've only seen a handful in the past 15 years since they caught my eye.
I have an Ocean Jade '99 Boxster and I'm slowly collecting an Ocean Jade interior. I have a leather Dash, Door Cards and some misc pieces. Someday. Someday...
Jade Green with Green interior is so bland😀 just kidding.
The really rarest of the rare is my Paint to Sample Tangerine 1999 6 speed coupe with factory Nephtrire green leather, 1 of 1 makes me smile every time I go in the garage. 😎
Rich
Rich that is definitely a one of one!!
Question for you: what do you think about these wet-sump motors versus the Mezger. Obviously you've overcome the oiling issues in racing them. Are they turning out to be a "solid" platform long term, or do you find they need internal modifications to "endure" in your experience? Asking because you have several longterm and I see on IG you race at least one. Thanks
Good eye I didn't notice that but the sticker is right there! Amazing find for him. That should be a grail for all of us: a PTS / LTS 996 in alma mater colors!!
Wow! That is one unique car for sure. Love the oddballs like that, you never see 996's w/ PTS. I recognize your driveway from your PCA mart post, you had the tip ocean jade car for sale somewhat recently right? Any luck with the sale?
RedTele you could save yourself a bunch of time and hassle just buying this! Not sure if it's still available.
https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/i...9445148348809/
https://www.ebay.com/itm/185208553159
Smooth backs, are these hollow spokes ?
Edit: Yeah I'm more sure those are hollow spokes than I was buying apple stock in 1995
ebay is pretty safe for buyers. Sellers always get the shaft when it comes to disputes. I�m guessing he put in qty 4 thinking it was the number of wheels.
He�s been in contact already about shipping details so we�ll see what happens.
If he has 3 more at that price though, I�d be buying them too 😂
The “B” option (for 996 #408 9” width) is not pictured. I would assume these are the “A” (993 10” wide) version until I saw evidence otherwise.
Not that $1,250 isn’t a decent price for the 993 version NB Hollow Spokes, and they will fit 996 C2. They just aren’t the 996 #408 option unless 9” width (“B” version) is marked.
And of course if these are authentic “B” 996 #408’s this is the steal of the new year!!
10� rears are much more common; $2K is about the going price. So $1,250 is a steal even for those.
However, if these are in fact the 996 9� rear #408�s this is an absurd steal. Obviously in that case the seller didn�t know what he had.
Only authentic set of the 9� #408�s I�ve personally ever seen for sale was in Germany for $5K.
So these are either a steal, or an absurd steal. Can�t go wrong either way.
After I found the listing I messaged him and asked if his 99 has option code 408 but it seems Tom Loder purchased before he could reply. Curious to see which ones these are
He posted the vin or the car they came from but vin analytics didn't have any data with out paying for it
Good question. Curb rash should be exactly the same, and I don't know about truing them if warped, but I'd guess a whole lot trickier. Fine-looking wheels, though.
what have the actual 408s sold for? I can�t seem to find any for sale anywhere.
Last week I took delivery of a MY1999 (build date 3/98) with factory option code 408s in ocean blue over savannah beige from southern CA. It�s my grail 996 and I love it so much.
That is indeed a grail 996. Someday the early-build numbers will become available from Porsche and values will reflect our obsession with these very unique 911�s
@GarrettSR5
sorry if I scooped it, I figured you had passed since you posted the link.
Wheels have shipped. They were from his 38k mile 7/98 build Ocean Blue metallic coupe with the 408 option. I did offer to buy the car, but he said he wasn�t selling at the moment.
Since he was parting with the wheels, I asked about lights and managed to acquire both the amber headlights and tail lights as well as he had already swapped them out.
I�ll be able to bring my silver 5/98 aero kit back to factory amber spec, plus some really nice wheels.
Christmas definitely came early this year for me.
No worries ! I had sent him a message hoping to confirm for the thread.
I hope he never sells the car as he's apparently given up most of its unique parts lol
Now you see why all the #408's are "missing". Dude you swooped down like a rabid vulture and stole everything that poor guy had but the build sticker. "Not that there's anything wrong with that"
Only a matter of time before he contacts you again
To beg
i have 408s too, my rears are 9 and fronts are 7.5. Tom you stole those. Would you care to tell us what you paid for the ambers?? My Christmas will be fab speed x pipe and Carrera s 3.8 airbox. I�m picking the x pipe on Saturday.
Shameless self promotion, but another 996 C4S is on Cars and Bids.... and hopefully it will pay for my new baby hauler and maybe some of my daughter's college fund too
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/3qw...rrera-4s-coupe
Thanks! Yeah I knew listing it that the headlight covers would be a divisive issue. The good news is that like everything on the car, I modified it in such a way so that it goes back to stock very easy - I posted in the auction comments, but the headlight covers were installed over xpel PPF so they come off super easy.
Is it just me or is the build date sticker also missing on this one too?? A valid "early" build date would certainly help to offset that Carfax. Hmmm
And high miles like that will be harder and harder to avoid as time marches on. Expect 996 odometers to eventually age into irrelevance, just like previous vintage generations
Well, you know what they say about assuming.
@bdronsick
you were right to be skeptical. I don�t understand how it could be since they came from a 408 optioned 7/98 996, but both rears are indeed A versions.
Still a sweet deal for hollow spokes with good tires, and the lights look fantastic. The seller also added in the amber corner lights and a random other clear lens headlight.
How does that make any sense though? The owner swears they are original to the car, and he replaced them.
Maybe like
@islaTurbine
said, it was not as precise as we would like to think on the assembly line in Stuttgart, and they ran out of B�s and had to use A�s, or someone grabbed from the wrong bin.
I can believe they ran out of 996 #408's, sure!
The 996 #408's were were the lightest 18" wheels ever offered by Porsche, they were only offered on the early-build 1999's, and that pre-production run on the 993 assembly line only lasted a few months. Thus it's wholly believable that 996 #408's sold out quickly
Conversely, the 993 #408's are at least 5LBS heavier (total), and were sold for many years; even through dealers long after 993 production ended
07/98 was the very tail end of "early-build 99" production, and it's not surprising at all the factory may have fitted the leftover heavier 993 version wheels on the very last of the #408 optioned early 996's. But that doesn't make it correct
Just demonstrates Porsche was always very shrewd
yup; keeping it separate as I know they�re hard today come by and want to make sure it goes to someone that will actually use it. Maybe whomever buys it, but didn�t want to just throw it in and have the buyer toss it aside.
hey I was watching the auction. We�re you able to come to an agreement with the high bidder? If not send me a message after the new year. I�ll be shopping by then.
I've been slacking. Copart listings and quick descriptions
https://www.copart.com/lot/66655641/...4-ca-san-diego
2022 Cayman GT4 with side damage, to me that damage doesn't look total worthy ?? Esp on a car with a 101k base MSRP and 800 miles.
https://www.copart.com/lot/68971541/...-2-ct-hartford
Flooded 993 in CT, don't see any water level markings.
https://www.copart.com/lot/66422031/...ca-los-angeles
6 speed cab hit on the side
https://www.copart.com/lot/66307441/...cleveland-west
Is this PTS or just a full panel off respray ? Even the inners of the doors are painted orange
https://www.copart.com/lot/68063431/...ra-2-tx-dallas
Never seen a 996 with a roof antenna. Aero kit though. Some weird colors.
https://www.copart.com/lot/58805231/...-2-ct-hartford
6 speed C4 cab with 'mechanical' damage
https://www.copart.com/lot/65704151/...-nj-somerville
Boxster with a 996.2 front end. Weird
https://www.copart.com/lot/62618451/...s-nc-lumberton
Boxster S with winged backs
https://www.copart.com/lot/67693701/...2-md-baltimore
One dusty 6 speed Cab
https://www.copart.com/lot/67821551/...ca-los-angeles
Flooded 6 speed cab
https://www.copart.com/lot/66586041/...2-fl-ft-pierce
Another flooded 6 speed cab
https://www.copart.com/lot/66909191/...a-atlanta-west
Wrecked tip 01 Turbo. Meridian metallic paint, never seen that.
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...R-COUPE-138146
Went through BJ. Looks like it was a nice car
https://www.copart.com/lot/69352861/...2-ca-san-diego
185k mile coupe with lots of wood inside
https://www.copart.com/lot/68442811/...r-s-ca-vallejo
Someone folded a Boxster in half !
https://www.copart.com/lot/68965341/...a-philadelphia
One sorry looking Speed Yellow coupe
https://www.copart.com/lot/69707051/...ca-los-angeles
Nice looking flooded .2 C2 coupe
https://www.copart.com/lot/68980351/...arga-wa-graham
Tiptronic Targa that says 'mechanical' damage type. Airbox is missing
https://www.copart.com/lot/67507061/...a-cartersville
6 speed Targa with front end damage and silly wing
https://www.copart.com/lot/57123751/...-2-ny-newburgh
flooded 6 speed coupe with wing backs
Gorgeous car. I texted the owner and he said it has 155k on the clock. He�s out a ton of dough into it though.
https://boston.craigslist.org/nos/pt...424361135.html
im in Portland�if I had the cash in hand I�d get on a plane. Fitment looks fine to me, I wonder if the no bumperette option makes it look off compared to a typical front end?
Lol same here. I'm looking around thinking "I can swing all the mods from the C4S into the Turbo, then sell the C4S at a loss"... But I'll resist. Damn.
I hope he gets back to you and you grab it.
i know this may offend some, but carbon fiber trim is god awful. And here�s a case where the seller states that it�s cracked in some places. I didn�t care if I see it on a 996 with trip tonic since that�s a car that it almost makes sense on�.but on a turbo????
CF has been an Exclusiv interior accent material since 993. If cracked or yellowed individual pieces can be easily replaced
My personal favorite 911 interior is 100% Darth Vader black. Barring that, tasteful addition of CF is wholly acceptable to me; although I would not pay additional
I spent several hours this weekend pulling CF pieces from one of my Boxsters. Cracked, faded, laminated, bleh...
Yes, they can be replaced - not cheap. Repaired - yes, but not cheap either.
CF looks terrific when new. After 20+ years it just looks gross.
lol no one said that brother, don�t be so sensitive. The trim does age poorly I fully understand, as does the wood. It depends on where it is (dash is bad, shifter/ebrake all good) and if the car has been in the sun a lot or changed humidity a lot.
I have a fetish for rare builds and know what it takes ($$) to get them where they need to be condition wise. Glutton for punishment?
https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/ct...424590029.html
I hate when out of state dealers post on my local CL. That car is in KY and the ad is just a sea of garbage when you open it. Looks like a nice 997 C4S cab though
https://newyork.craigslist.org/que/c...418750447.html
another tacky as **** 911. This time a 997 cab with a wing bigger than a park bench and black headlights. Oh lord my sides
No I agree with your opinion! Don't be offended! Both my cars have carbon fiber. Almost all pieces have cracks in them. EXPENSIVE TO repair and/or replace. I got door pulls from MA carbon and they are getting a little cloudy after 3 years!! Look great but do not last long
Maybe going for a ton of money but I wouldn�t go for it low miles, cold climate. Definitely Jake Raby would shine away from this car. I understand that a lot of people don�t drive their Porsche, on my car the last owner were a couple that drove the car 3,000 miles in 5 years , I�m almost at 7,500 miles since January. Fixing to drive today again to meet with squirrel and get my rss underdrive pulley, yes I love modified cars. Also due to the santa clause rally, buying me some more bourbon, next spare engine.
Interesting Find, "
Pristine condition Only by 13k original miles. Factory aero kit with 6 speed manual transmission. Carbon interior. White gauges. 907a title" meaning flood salvage title and still asking $35k.
This car's been for sale for months now. A little high on the miles but I cannot seem to figure out why it doesn't sell. If i had the $ I would pick this up in a heartbeat.
@GarrettSR5
Yeah, $34K it is and I had a message exchange with him on FB and he's kind of an A$$. Claims he knows Porsches but didn't know what a DME was, and just told me the IMS was "fine". It's a 2005, so the IMS is serviceable without splitting the case. (versus 2006-2009).
Any paintwork on the car? His response, "Not to my knowledge". Amazing these type of answers actually work with potential buyers........oh well.
I'm sure there's a reason it's been for sale so long. Either he doesn't really want to put effort to sell it or he gets a bunch of tire kickers seeing a cheap 911
This one on BaT might end up being a good deal.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...11-carrera-86/
It's got a little bit of rust though.
Makes me wonder what it looks like underneath.
Too bad the owner doesn't own a vacuum.
6MT Aero in guards red with low miles and IMS
. Definitely a head turner, just wonder how close to that $57k they will get.
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/c...435757791.html
Listed price doesn't equal selling, but also curious, too bad will never know. Surely only takes that one guy to see it at the right time, otherwise they're shooting for the hills.
Hello fellow rennlisters...
I was looking at this car in Tx but found something closer which made more sense.
Here's the story - 64k miles ( 5k in last 8 years)
99 cable throttle / arctic silver / sports seats in excellent condition / 030 from factory.
Asking is 29k but the seller seemed open to numbers as she knows that the IMS is not done.
There is a an excellent Pcar specialist around the corner named Koby Motors ask for Jose JR who would have done my PPI but we never got there.
Hopefully this can make someone else's day.
(2) Marketplace - 1999 Porsche 911 � Carrera Coupe 2D | Facebook
Hope this link works and yes it needs some cosmetics but the car looks solid... no affiliation nothing to gain... but by the time i shipped to Bay area, did the clutch and ims and the ppi I was over $30k so i passed.
That one appears to be pretty close to me.
If anyone is interested, I'd take a look at it, and run a Durametric check for overrevs.
A Pre-PPI...not a full invasive PPI.
Edited: COVID has hit my house, so any Pre-PPI might be slightly delayed.
I'm not rescinding the offer, but there may be a delay.
Beautiful! Just look at the frunk latch. Never seen one look so new. On my 37k mile example it's scuffed. Maybe they replaced it.
Wait, I thought 2000 and up had electric frunk and engine lid?
@TexSquirrel
had i had though of you a week ago - i would have been driving this car now.. or at least waiting for it in my driveway. Then on Friday night whilst waiting for the PPI to happen... something else came up and now I am sharing it.
@Type65
this matches most of your requirements... dont know if you care about silver
This one is very "affortable". And, well marketed, this 996 is "the only 996 without an IMS problem".
https://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/c...437980126.html
@GoGoDoDo
I dont have a stake in this but yes the ad was terrible and the lady that is selling the car is not a rennlister or porschephille so it reads like a teenager wrote it. However - the specs are real, the carfax is real . You do your ppi dme etc and like everything else in life you take your chances.
2005 Porsche 911 Turbo S - $28,000 (Delivery Nationwide)
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/...438927987.html
Well, it is a Cab but that shouldn't drive the price down this low. In Nebraska, 40K miles, stick, grey. Is this a scam?
I passed on a Polar Silver/Black TTS manual cab last year at $45K. Accident on CarFax and 70K miles, but also had the GT3 wheels
At the time seemed prudent but of course now I’m kicking myself
Hindsight on 911’s is a bitch
This car was for sale about a year straight in NJ , If I remember its a wrap on it, not sure why but he couldn't sell it and was 39k at that time, it always comes back for sale then goes away.
This is a fake ad. I've seen this same car listed all over the country. The same faker had a 4S cab and a Mercedes G class listed for super low price all over the country. I've been flagging them when I've seen em but its tough to keep up with him...
996 & 997.1 Turbos are the only Turbo generation that used a different engine altogether from the normally aspirated Carrera
The 996/7.1 �Mezger� was derived directly from a Porsche Motorsports GT1 racing block. Which itself was a direct mechanical descendant from the water cooled 962 & 959
For this reason alone its inevitable 996/7.1 Turbos will become the most collectible of all Turbo generations
The 996 Turbo block literally bears a �964..� part number casting. That motor is a Porsche Motorsports legend of mythic proportions
It won LeMans, what else can you say
Apologize in advance for any "repeats":
https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/c...442062439.html
https://newyork.craigslist.org/que/c...441123937.html
Not a 996 but interesting nonetheless :
https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto...441790567.html
also not a 996 but I saw this advertisement and this car looks like an adventure
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/...441025877.html
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I know what it’s if the car was salvage It would still be valued at around 65 to 70 percent of kelly blue book value , this car is. A clean title with hail damage which was made a total loss not salvage they are not the same thing if u don’t know about it please educate urself on this"
aka "I know what I got"
I'm always fascinated in the variables of when an insurance company "calls it" on a car like this. I've got zero experience in this arena, but if I was a buyer, I'd think I'd want a totaled due to hail damage rather than, lets say, slamming into a tree.
I need help with this: "Vehicle was declared total loss , car is still clean title , total loss means the owner was paid off by the insurance but the damage repair cost was not enough to make it salvage." Huh? The owner/insurance was paid out but what they (insurance company) paid in repair did not match that number?
I'm not expert either, but from everything I've read "total loss" is worse than a salvage title and everything in that sellers ad is BS. But total loss is not a title brand so it is possible it does have a clean title. Not sure if you can get insurance is the issue.
https://aeofmiami.com/blog/the-diffe...ly%20destroyed
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A total loss is not a title brand. It simply refers to a vehicle that is damaged beyond repair and deemed unsafe to drive. Aside from being recycled, a total loss vehicle is completely unusable. Typically, a total loss vehicle is either sold for parts or used as scrap metal."
I don't see how hail damage could cause an insurance company to deem a car unsafe to drive.
And yeah it seems like he wrote the ad in 30 seconds or English is his 3rd or 4th language.
Whining noise from the transmission.
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...306259503/NONE
and nice looking cab
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/invent...305600846/NONE
guys if you want a show quality car where no expense has been considered to make it pristine this is it. This is my friend and fellow Puerto Rican. This guy is as picky as it comes regarding his vehicles. I have posted how much time we have spent on his 993 and it is incredible. This guy spent over $1200 dry ice cleaning the underside on this 996. on one of the 4 days that we where at my mechanics working on his New to him 993, I was telling him about my deceased father, and when I was telling my dad about fixing a minor issue on my twin turbo HPA R32 my dad would say, �ah don�t spend the money, you cant see that from the airplane �. My friend is the complete opposite of that. I could have bought this car, I had first shot, I just never liked red. If you want a pristine low mileage 996.2 C2 and you love this color combo this is it you will never see a better car than this one. They don�t make them anymore. Sorry, I got the soul headers that were previously on this car. You can always order some if you want.
Custom ceramic coat. Paint is flawless, i always told him to enter it in the concourse de elegance shows, there was always something else he wanted to get done, this Is the definition of �OCD about a Car�.
yeah I could see it needed some love. Still, given the market, the color and the asking price, if I were in the market and in the Seattle area I�d be taking a look.
If it was hail damage it could be a good buy. I've seen hail damage at auctions where cars look mint other than all the dents lol. If you can do that kinda thing yourself its probably a good buy. Its not going to be structurally damaged.
https://chico.craigslist.org/cto/d/o...442364774.html
I saw this one and went for a drive. Very clean in and out, surprising and impressive for this age and miles.
seems like the engine blew up (IMS?) at around 135k miles. Seller/research says motor and trans were both replaced with used units. LN fix on IMS. Drives and shifts very smooth.
thoughts?
https://sacramento.craigslist.org/ct...443057686.html
99 Carrera, 135k miles for $22k. Dealer states no records beyond (fairly clean) carfax. Safe to assume it may need IMS and/or clutch soon?
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PROJECT NOT RUNNING ENGINE NO GOOD ENGINE NO BUENO 1999 Porsche 911 PROJECT PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO BELOW"
That is the best first line of a car ad I have ever seen. I bet you this guy still deals with 3 callers a day that don't realize it is a roller.
Safe to assume it may need "lots of stuff". Sorry, but dealers like this scare the hell out of me. Friend of mine, once retired, worked at one of these. They get cars from anywhere, do the minimum to get check engine lights off and achieve a sticker, then sell. Not saying this particular dealer is, like I described, but many that market on CL are. Get a PPI and do your research. GL.
There's a dealer like that near here who likes to trade in European cars. I looked at a 128i there which had to be the worst car I have ever seen on a dealer's lot. They made a sow's ear out of a sow's ear.
Someone needs to jump on this...quickly
You Tube
Asking price is $18500 RARE 1999 Porsche 911 966 Carrera pastel yellow
Ambers with washers
All new coolant system (including all hoses)
Rebuilt engine due to intermixing
I found this early build 99 C2 coupe Vesuvio with 77k miles for 24k. The catch, it's a tiptronic and salvage title (thanks Ben)
https://www.truecar.com/used-cars-fo...9-porsche-911/
There is also this modified Vesuvio cab
https://www.truecar.com/used-cars-fo...id=autotempest
This C4 was also available as of yesterday but it looks to be sold.
Tried to buy that yellow YouTube car never received a response from emails sent through YouTube or to garage yahoo email address, guess it sold or no longer for sale 😩
Rich
Every ad I've ever seen like this is for a FULL differential. This ad is for only the gear that goes in the diff / housing. It is nearly new. I need a FULL diff assembly but just out of curiosity 1. how much would you folks expect to pay for just the gear? 2. is the X50 gear any different from the turbo gear? Thanks
I have a friend that lives on that street which is the 1000 block of North Crescent Drive. Most of the residents have second, third, fourth and fifth addresses. I'm surprised the likes of me is even allowed to park there.
I lived both in Kentucky and Oklahoma. In both states every year when you are going to register your car they tax you on the book value of the car. On both states I bought cars anc got great deals, then the following year when I went to register again they were taxing My cars at a higher value that I have bought the previous year, I love Texas, car registration is $75 , it really sucks on some occasions these states your car registration per year can be $1,000 or more. That�s in part why we have so many transplants here in Texas. Better than living in Ukraine.
https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/...445894086.html
This Turbo has been for sale since before thanksgiving. Has anyone gone to take a look at it? Details?
not a 996 but
https://www.copart.com/lot/34052582/...gt4-tx-houston
it has had some work done, but still not 100%
https://www.soldvehicle.com/porsche/...c2a84mk289115/
Sorry I didn't have a chance to get out there sooner.
@Optionman1
that sounds like a great idea. Let's plan a 996/SE PA/NJ meetup and drive. I think there are quite a few near New Hope/Bucks County area. I don't know the area well but would love to hit some back roads up there.
Here is a 2001 Aerokit asking $29,995 which seems like a good price.
Excellent 911 with original aerokit - $29,995 (Beverly Hills)
2001, Silver on Black, 63K miles, manual Alpine sound, 20" wheels, etc.
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/ws...462910842.html
mike remember what haggerty said the aero looks good but gives you drag and weight. Put a ducktail, 3.8 built Hoffman big valve heads cams and you�ll be smoking a bunch of cars out there. Plus it�s red which I don�t like as the main color.
$250k AUD, wow!
That’s the highest I’ve ever seen.
Even Cup cars GT3RS and GT2s aren’t that high.
It would be a really fun car though, but you could build a replica for a lot less.
Zbomb is going to have one that looks a lot like it.
now, If you are selling your built, a one of one, out there in my opinion with what singer and gunterwerks have done, let me know I�ll buy it. You my friend beat PCA and
porsche classic, on top of all of that you documented the whole build for us to see what it took.
Convertible Porsche - $3,500
https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/...469038103.html
It says: "No engine no transmission......,". And then if there is any doubt, the ad clarifies: "....car does not run"
Afternoon free time get fubar on **** creek 9 with a splash of Coke Zero, Voodoo ranger Hazy juicy IPAs. Temp got as high as 99, get in the pool whenever you are filling drunk. I can live with that, probably roasted my skin today.
My only question do I pee in the pool or in the garden.
High octane **** creek 9 on the rocks (gone), hazy juicy iPA (voodoo ranger).
HEB just put briskets on sale. Getting me a couple when I get home. Evening birthday celebration at a brewery slices and IPAs. Brick oven carnivore pizza. I can eat pizza every day, I was an assistant manager at dominoes pizza 2 years plus while in college. Not as great as you get in NY but good enough for me. My wife and her cousin paid for it so even better. My sons meatball sub was pretty good too.
This is awesome pricing, the trick is picking the good ones.
I love pizza, I really enjoy brick oven pizzas.
I enjoy going to breweries because each recipes are unique and different. I had like 4 different hazy juicy IPAs.
Finally, carnivore here�s the meat.
Have not kept up with NA 996's, so not sure if good price or not.
99 C2, Convertible, 6spd, 97K miles for $18.5K in champaign. Not much info or pics besides this.
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/c...474666022.html
Damn that Craigslist ad hits all my pet peeves in 1 ad.
caps lock
salesman speak
calls the transmission a stick shift
calls the sunroof a moon roof
calls the wheels rims
"
NICE LOW PROFFIL GOOD TIERS"
lol. Cool car though!
Don't you sometimes wish you could stick your hands into your screen, have them come out at the other end, and just strangle the isht out of someone?
Not me. Nope. Never.
probably they dynoed the car and realize it was All just sound. Anyway the only thing that matters on all these performance parts are numbers because those are black and white and never lie. Like the seller said they were used for less than 100 miles, I wonder 💭 why.
On a stock car, it's probably not worth anything. If you have increase engine flow via increased displacement, head work, or cam work, then this is a worthwhile upgrade.
Stick shift is a term that has been accepted as another way to refer to manual transmissions for decades now.
Most cars since about the mid 90's have moonroofs, not sunroof. Sunroof is an acceprable term to use for a moonroof, and vice versa.
There's a difference between a rim and a wheel. Wheel refer to the rim and tire together. Rim is just the rim itself.
yes, if you increase bore, do Hoffman big valves and cams yes. On a normal car with bolt ons, it�s just noise and I have been told by several 996 owners you loose torque down low.
no cheap storage available anywhere. Since the owner of the turbo can hold it for me, I�m not selling the coupe until I have the turbo in hand. Don�t want to miss the drives and Porsche Saturdays. I already pm him and two other guys from Cali have also shown some interest. Thanks
So here are a couple of rollers:
2006 Porsche 911 Carrera - $25,000 (La jolla): --- Runs great ........but may need an engine" $25K is a lot for a roller!
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/ws...476741413.html
"... runs great until we ran into a problem that needed a starter now it�s at the shop and the people are telling me that it might need an engine so for the price I�m selling it It�s pretty cool"
Porsche 2000 996 Carrera 4 Cabriolet- Seized Engine - $9,000 (Fallbrook) --- Engine blew twice!
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/...476259348.html
"- The engine was rebuilt by LA Dismantlers in 2016 and it had 119,501 miles on it. I ended up paying about $12,000 for it. Supposedly the IMS bearing was fixed properly so it got lubricated and there would be no more problems.
- Engine blew again at 143,000 miles."
Anybody know which SSKs these are? Guessing B&M? Seems like a good deal I wonder why they�re different prices?
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/pts...494614561.html
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/pts...494614561.html
I'm local, can go check it out if anyone is serious. I have a Durametric (but have to get it back from Finn...) so I could check overrevs and camshaft deviations.
Here's my crazy Craigslist find- a 962 nose!
Turns out it was from the Bayside Racing #86 that was 3rd at the 12 Hours of Sebring in 1989.
Pics show it when I bought it, and after I recently restored the original livery.
Look for it as a charity auction on BringaTrailer in the next month or two.
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Weird repaint. That same dealership had a repainted yellow 993 a few years ago. Maybe a guy there just likes yellow.
https://rennlist.com/forums/993-foru...l#post16739298
IMS and RMS tell us that the car was kept as a thing to take care of. I would ask for an oil analysis as part of a PPI just to make sure, and would expect to pay $400 for the PPI and oil change if the Seller would allow holding the car pending the oil analysis report.
This has to be a scam?
Please note that is CDN$ and KM, not miles.
2002 Porsche 911 Carerra | Black on Black Classic | Cars & Trucks | Markham / York Region | Kijiji
That's 45000 miles. I paid more for my almost identical car in 2018.
If not a scam, good luck to anyone who gets this. I HAVE NO AFFILIATION.
Not necessarily...this car sold at auction in Canada over the weekend for the same price and IMHO a better car all around with lower mileage:
https://associatedautoauction.hibid....&q&red=catalog
MK1 vs. MK2 is a personal preference, not something I factor into the value proposition. The MK1 car was a lower mileage (31K) early build with cable throttle, dual-row IMS, and more durable interior component finish. It also had some nice factory goodies like M30 sport suspension, LSD, white guages, stainless steel exhasut tips & door sill plates, etc. IMHO this car was the better value dollar for dollar.
2002 Porsche 911 C4S - $36,500 - Seems like it could be a good deal.
"6 sp manual transmission. Silver with Black interior. IMS done. 103k miles. Runs perfect. Everything works."
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/ws...542010052.html
The market definitely values the difference between .1 and .2 though, with .2s usually selling for a decent premium over .1s. Between many preferring the looks and the obvious benefits of the 3.6L, 20HP is kind of a lot, the .2s simply have a wider appeal and will likely always command this premium. Many don't seem to really place a lot of value on the early car options and to some extent its warranted. Unless you are looking to have an all original show car the suspension is 20 years old and likely needs replacing at which point any 996 can become a M030 for little investment above stock replacement. And my understanding is the factory LSD wasn't super great and usually isn't functioning properly after 20+ years at which point you mind as well upgrade to Guard, because it is better and doesn't cost much more than rebuilding the factory unit. That being said I was happy to get an LSD car and I haven't pushed my car very hard, but it seems to function properly.
I think the price favor in the .2 cars are because they are newer and better cared for as Porsche realized problems and resale values sank
as prices climbed in each 911 selling year people probably held on to their cars longer
but I believe the uniqueness of the very early 996 will continue to climb especially if you have factory extras (LSD or Aero PTS)
We are all have our own opinions and preferences regarding the .1 vs .2 differences, I personally prefer the looks and build quality of the early .1 cars. The headlights on the .2 cars don't look symetrical to me, I feel they ruin the sveltness of the body. Also, a 20HP gain in a heavier chassis does not amont to a lot (.2 of a second difference 0-60). I also find the .1 cars more enjoyable to toss around in the twisties. At a mere 31K miles on the .1 car, I would expect decent life left in the suspension components and the LSD to still be functional. Overall, I still feel the best "bang for buck" was in the .1 car for the same price, but as I stated previously, this is IMHO.
Don't disagree with most of what you said and we certainly do all have our own opinions. I bought a 3/98 for a reason and not on accident. I was just pointing out that I don't necessarily think it's fair to benchmark .2 prices against .1s.
I didn't think about that on price, but I am sure you are right. The whole "buy the newest 911 you can afford" thing seems to be spouted a lot.
I agree the early cars definitely have value to some, like you and I and many others on this board, but it seems to be a fairly niche want and doesn't seem to be a significant value booster as of yet, but they are certainly rarer and have some cool features and options that will become increasingly appreciated as these cars age, just like all the classics before them. For sure the Aero kit is a huge value booster and has been for some time and definitely seems to be more common on the .1s and early cars. PTS has also been very hit or miss with some boasting stupid premiums and others being nearly unsellable.
When I bought my black 3/98 C2 in February 2018 with the same 172k this car has, I paid $13,500. Not downgrading his car at all.. just remarks on the 996 market. I hit it right at the low, and he's riding the wave. Good to know, not like I ever plan on selling it.
2003 C2 with 113k miles, hard top, IMS, and rebuilt motor at ~70kmiles, $23k. Seems tempting with a good PPI.
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/...549921181.html
Water pump, air oil separator, starter, suspension, A/C system are all things that could be costly if they haven�t been addressed. And I would think a bore scope with the PPI would be wise.
@MBH911
preach! That's the tip of the iceberg. Coolant system and hoses, At some point, all these 20+ year old high mileage cars need engine rebuilds. All seals, seams, hoses replaced, brake caliper rebuild, all oil system etc. I'm not regretting my purchase, the car runs great but I'm also aware that there are still things to refresh before the maintenance cycle is back to the "clean and documented service history" state that I desire, and after all that, some PDR and partial respray. I'm not spending 2500.00 on lipstick until the old girl is fit. Some might feel it's silly to be such a careful curator of a base 996.1 C2, but so what it's my money. This whole, 'buy the best example you can afford' mantra is all well and good, but it doesn't matter how low mileage and pristine a 22 year old car is, the refresh is inevitable. I took the contrarian path, and got the cheapest example I could find, my starting cost was lower. All those rebuild costs can be amortized over as many years as it takes to do them. I don't have to quickly fix it to flip it cause I'm keeping it, I've no desire for anything else. To me the 996 is a sweet spot. It's not going to smell like a vw beetle when you turn on the heat, it has good AC, and it's got a light feel at the wheel that really matters to me. I've driven some other 911s recently, newer and older, and nothing I drove made me regret the 996.1. The 997.2 is touted as the last analog 911, but are priced with that hype factor.
Well, I think you just summed it up about as well as anyone has. To Any potential first time buyers, this here statement is what you need to know going in. Living with a 996 in the garage can be stressful if you can�t afford the unexpected. Not necessarily the case, but ownership is a roll of the dice. If that�s too much risk for the risk-averse there�s a Honda Civic SI on CarGuru with your name on it, and you can toss it around for a long, long time without a care.
I really like the feel drive of the early cars. I bought a 90k mile car two years ago and after 12k miles I�m extremely happy. The car paint wasn�t great but super solid mechanically. I tested it right out first driving it home 1300 miles. I paid $18k but they gave me $500 to drive it home and it costed me $330 to fly and drive. Anyway for me looks are secondary performance and reliability are a must. If someone is going to do the work on these cars themselves great, if you can find an awesome mechanic that�s reasonable better, which is what I have done. There are still deals on some cars out there. My 03 turbo is being worked on and I�m not missing a beat on the p car experience driving the 99. My concern going forward would be Parts price and availability. Regarding the engine, mine is extremely strong no oil consumption to talk about. I physically check the oil and coolant regularly thinking about the possibility of mix, but that hasn�t been the case so far. If the engine lets go well I know where to get an affordable rebuilt, I�m really thinking about a full paint job but I�m going to put that on a back burner until the economy slows down, and I can get a good deal on it.
Y'all aren't helping me stay out of a 996... Last year I impromptu bought a 01 986S and now after driving a couple 996's I'm wishing I had been more patient. So now the hunt begins to find a good deal on a mechanically sound 996.2. The maintenance outside of an engine rebuild never causes me and lost sleep since I can do all of the work myself. At this point I'm hoping values on a solid C2 drop into the high teens.
Or I find some perfect match of a person wanting a motorcycle and a 986S to trade for a 911.
Either way, I shouldn't hold my breath for too long. Always great to hear success stories of a higher mileage 996!
Weird deal here, 03 C2 Cabriolet complete, claim he can't get registered in CA, low mileage 6 spd car.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/pts/7553226305.html
Maybe it can't pass emissions? Those front seats seem a bit haggard for 64,000 miles and the white plastic overlay in the instrument cluster looks like a 5 years did it. And that's just for starters.
I know, and have worked on, this Millennium Edition:
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/a...paign=atempest
I installed the Rennline motor mounts, Feal coilovers, Fabspeed intake, and the seats.(using Planted mounts)
I also polished the headlights and possibly did some other work on it.
If I'd known the owner was going to get rid of it I would have bought it from him.
If it were nearby I'd probably go buy it if they were willing to deal some.
I'm bummed it got away.
i have zero interest in a non turbo 996 but this thing is almost kind of tempting:
https://miami.craigslist.org/mdc/cto...558541906.html
red leather interior that is paint to sample
Local auction, ends 11/29/22. 6-spd manual. Not affiliated with it. This company never provides much info on their stuff.
https://powellauction.hibid.com/lot/...00-porsche-911
thought you guys would appreciate this one
99 Porshe 911 all wheel drive - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle... (craigslist.org)
it looks purple..not sure if thats an OEM color?
Early 99, lowish mileage, looks like factory 408's, maybe Zenith Blue? Can't tell from the pictures:
https://nh.craigslist.org/cto/d/tilt...564932159.html
That's what I paid for my Aerokit II side skirts from Sunset Porsche 4+ years ago during a Black Friday sale.
This is the best deal I've seen on Aerokit I side skirts.
Almost tempted to ****** them up for myself.(Of course I'm close enough to go pick them up)
Here's a 99 Vesuvio Metallic (automatic) with 119K for $23K:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/887256209133019/?hoisted=false&ref=category_feed&referral_code=undefined&referral_story_type=listing&tracking=%7B%22qid%22%3A%22-4915750941487028023%22%2C%22mf_story_key%22%3A%225714710548575994%22%2C%22commerce_rank_obj%22%3A%22%7B%5C%22target_id%5C%22%3A5714710548575994%2C%5C%22target_type%5C%22%3A0%2C%5C%22primary_position%5C%22%3A1%2C%5C%22ranking_signature%5C%22%3A9058584823290920960%2C%5C%22commerce_channel%5C%22%3A504%2C%5C%22value%5C%22%3A0.00013637719102251%2C%5C%22candidate_retrieval_source_map%5C%22%3A%7B%5C%225714710548575994%5C%22%3A111%7D%7D%22%2C%22ftmd_400706%22%3A%22111112l%22%7D
Hmm, FB link is being removed by the forum:
I bought this car for the drivetrain for a project of mine. Let me know if any of you may need/want any parts off of it. Thankshttps://rennlist.com/forums/market/1333544
I hope the link works..
https://rennlist.com/forums/market/1333544
2003 C4S
https://caseattle.com/2003-Porsche-9...2?success=true
Dealer insists it's the Turbo engine without a turbo but then says in the ad it's the 997.1 engine with no IMS.
Ad says "no need for IMS update" which would mean it has the bigger, non-replaceable bearing. I'm not that much of a 996 historian but I don't suppose a 1993 car would come with such an engine. It's nowhere near the end of the production run.
Wishful thinking, obviously they have to finance as its too old to get conventional loan. Then comes the insurance issue, no way insurance company will insure it for that value
Well here is one that caught my eye: 2004 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S c4s coupe - $29,000 (North Park)
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/...613284700.html
Same spec as mine: Silver over grey, Tiptronic, over 100K miles, some minor flaws. Yuk, is this really all they are worth at this point? Might be a good deal for someone.
Probably doesn't matter too much, I would not buy a garage queen and bought it to drive daily or as often as I wish.
Haven't contacted the seller or done any research beyond the post (no VIN included)... but a "dark blue"/tan, early build w/ambers, 6-speed coupe with 87k miles asking only $23k certainly has my attention!
https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/ct...616790411.html
'99 6MT coupe with ambers intact, Ocean Blue over tan, looks like it might have 408's as well (would need to confirm with seller). Decent price for the mileage:
https://boston.craigslist.org/nos/ct...662952850.html
https://albany.craigslist.org/cto/d/...661999465.html
Someone's half baked early 99 project. Aerokit though, bit rich at 35k
"
The car is not a garage queen"
https://newyork.craigslist.org/fct/c...656472629.html
Early silver on blue cab, 408s ? Can't tell
https://southcoast.craigslist.org/ct...661247695.html
blue on tan 6/98 manual with 408s and 220 lsd. high mileage
"This is one of around 3400 cars built in 1998 on the same production line as the last of the air cooled 993�s. This car has no electronic drivers aides, no drive by wire on this car!"
Us 996.1 owners with eGas throttles are tired of the mythology surrounding the unicorn 99s.
1) Yes, eGas cars need a tune or other 'fix' if rev matching and double DE-clutching and heel n toe are to be utilized. For me, this matters, because Sportscar. So I have an easily reversible tune, by a reputable vendor.
2) Let's address 'electronic driver aids'. Porsche PSM is easily disabled. By default if you turn it off, the first time you touch the brake it enables again. You can defeat this, but why? The PSM won't activate until your slip angles are WAY beyond most drivers courage and abilities. Certainly if you manage to activate PSM on public roads, your next ride (or someone else's) will be in an ambulance or worse. Or your car will be on a wrecker....
ABS is on ALL 996s. Thank God say most, ABS is and was a requirement by USA DOT and Bosch did a great job with it.
Now, if you're 996.x, any year, has LSD, then that adds value. Otherwise, this mythos about the lack of driver aids' has to stop. It's like a Rennlist minority cult. Maybe the admins should open a dedicated forum for the elitists? Just a thought.
Last bit of common sense here. The early 996.1 cars were 'built on the same assembly line' as the much vaunted 993. Huh? The 996 and it's predecessor don't share a single part. I would bet this started as some form of 993 jealousy and spread like herpes through Rennlist. If you want a 993, buy one. But they're not great value. If you're rich it doesn't matter, but all 911s are better than their predecessor. Objectively. Or Porsche is selling us all snakeoil.
Now, if your early .1 has LSD and x51...oh, wait! X51 was never optioned on US 3.4L cars. Sorry '99 fans...
The '99 is the best story needs to end at some point. You might as well be saying 'the 99 is so great, because Ferry Porsche died in March 1998, (RIP) and all 911s got steadily worse after that'. Sheesh.
/rant
There are 2 types of people:
Those who acknowledge the greatness of early build 1999 911s.
Those who deny the greatness of early build 1999 911s.
(the flat-earthers of the Porsche world)
Put me in the first group! (with the proviso that my 911 is the only 911 that I have driven, aside from a quick spin around the block in a G-body cab and a ride-along in a 996.2 with tasty mods but a sketchy history and presentation).
That being said, the early 99's do have some things to recommend them and make them unique, like lightest weight, availability of an LSD, the cable throttle, ambers, and a few more things. The 4-spoke steering wheel and the GT3-style 4-speaker/no amp stereo that many early cars were equipped with may seem like demerits, but again make the car different in some way.
My policy is appreciate those things in my 4/98 car (except the ambers which a PO sadly discarded) while also seeing the good in other 996 model years and variants.
the early cars are better. buddy is about sell his though (kid on the way, never drives it). 1999, 72k miles, manual, savannah interior. ping me and I'll forward you on if you're interested
[QUOTE=damage98MO;19012322]"This is one of around 3400 cars built in 1998 on the same production line as the last of the air cooled 993�s./QUOTE]
This quote by far is the biggest myth being perpetuated around "early build" 996's. Porsche had assembled and shipped roughly 2K 996's in MY97 to the ROW market, and my research puts total production before the so-called "once in a lifetime" production cutoff date of 8/98 somewhere around 10-12K total cars shipped. As for the 996 being built on the same production line as the 993...spoiler alert...there is (and has only ever been) one 911 production line since the the 911 was first produced in 1964. If this 993/996 statement holds any water, then I guess the early 986's produced on the exact same line have some magic pixie dust sprinkled on them too? Gosh, those poor early model 986 owners are not getting all the attention they deserve because the hands of some factory labourer who put the arm rest in a 993 touched your Boxster radio *****!! I see a HUGE upswing in early 986 prices coming down the pipe...get one now before the market becomes WOKE!
All sarcasm aside, I have owned both an early '98 build and now an early '00 build. Each car has it's individual differences, but not enough to say one is more "unique" than the other. My '00 is a little more refined, but the '98 had full leather so it felt more luxurious inside. If I put both beside each other and pick where my money is spent it would be the '00 simply due to the way it is equipped. The moral of the story is find a great 996 that works for you, buy it, & drive the livin' hell out of it!
One thing that is forgotten is that the 993 line was PRE factory refurb.
So the early 996's were built on the hand assembled line, the fact that 993's
were built in the same line building is really immaterial. because the line was
basically nothing but a cart line with manual parts "kit" delivery to each station.
The older line did not have automated JIT parts delivery, much in the way of robots etc.
I don't think anybody knows exactly how many .1 cars were made on the old line vs new,
I suspect for a while they were built in parallel while the new line was implemented and checked out..
It would be pretty standard process and since Toyota was the partner in the line development, 12 to 24 months would be normal.
Based on other marques, the initial transition cars that got all their parts hand fitted the quality of assembly ends up being tighter,
doesn't mean that there aren't any glitches...
Don't take it personally
@Corso
. You're just one of dozens or even hundreds quoting the same regurgitated statements about early 99s.
My response is reasoned, researched, and is intended to create debate with other intelligent Porschephiles. That's why it's called a forum. If everyone on the forum agrees with repeated bogus claims about 99s, does that make said false statements true? No. No it doesn't. If you have actual evidence, photos, quotes (not heresay) to support your claims then by all means share such insight. Me, I've done my research, own the books, and stand by the truths of my post.
Perhaps you're sensitive because you realized you might just be sharing the automotive forum equivalent of gossip, and it's embarrassing. Like I said, don't take it personally. But when you lay down with dogs, you will get fleas.
Oh, and I prefer rant to diatribe thanks.
Or do I?
/diatribe
I must have really made you sweat if you're going to run to your bookshelf and take selective pics of page 17 of Streather's '996, the essential companion'. Those two photos taken out of context (read the whole production line chapter) are not a valid rebuttal. You would fail debate class🪿.
I don't have a problem with the hand assembled mythology per se. It's the way it's used to pump 99 values and to make subjective claims about how the early cars are better to drive. 'no nanny's', but 'the cable throttle,' yada yada.
You're a 99 owner, so you've got skin in the game. I understand why you wouldn't want anyone pooping on your pixie dust.
I still think you guys need an early 996 forum, where you can all pat each other on the back, (or whatever, you know, you're into).
Before you respond to my post, consider not doing so. Remember, I'm retired, I can do this all day. Haha, just kidding, I got **** to do, I'm out. 👍
The original post from @Corso, which seems to have been lost in the smoke.
The early '99 statements at issue were made by the seller of the butchered aerokit car.
He was on my ignore list so I only saw his posts when somebody quoted him. I think he was banned over some of his wacko Valvoline-Quickie-Oil-Change comments.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto...662062385.html
basically my car - techart pieces down to the rear spoiler. pics taken with a potato. wtf are those bump strips on the back bumper ? never seen those. wish mine had boxster red like this
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto...660680713.html
29k mile Millennium Edition !
Hey , no fighting among M96'ers in here...This stuff about being "hand built" was started by the P-car guys whose brake and clutch pedals stick up from the floor board.
They claimed that the 996 was NOT hand built.....and that the headlights were ugly..
Point the finder in the right direction or can't we all just get along?
I�m pretty interested in that car, but one photo and being so far away have kept me from reaching out, I�m slowly looking for my own 99-01 C4 M6 coupe.
I have an actual letter from VWoA on corporate letterhead stating, paraphrased,
"Due to the unique hand-built nature of the Corrado we cannot be certain what original equipment each car was equipped with. Some cars have a check engine light and some do not."
So hand built even by a great company like Karmann doesn't always mean "good". In this case it really means "we put whatever parts we scrounged into the car so it's not our fault".
I would simply know every detail of my car's assembly and operational history at all times, accounting for minute details in every shift or turn of the steering wheel.
I agree 100%
That has always been my opinion on hand built, it can mean many different things.
But speaking to hand built by known Craftsmen, it means to me that labor costs are going to be more expensive but it adds a personal flavor or "touch" to the item ...whereas a machine built item has a cold non-personal flavor/touch and usually less cost associated with higher production....even if the end quality is exactly the same..
My first impression of the "ugly headlights" was, WOW !! That is so much more Aerodynamic and stylish than the Bug Eye headlights....Then the talk about " not being hand built" started...
Here is one. I'm pretty sure it is Cuda911's (Mike) old car. Could be a good deal at $15,500.
2003 Porsche 911 needs smog - $15,500 (I have a non-op title.)
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/...662265642.html
I've heard this user referenced a few times. Is he the guy who has a YouTube channel about cars and meat? What was his user name? I feel like I'm missing out on some controversy, and I hate that
No the Motors and Meats guy seems like a really good guy (love the channel). This is some other dude named Luis but damned if I can remember his username!
Not cheap, but looks somewhat clean
79K miles, Blk / Blk, 6spd cap with hardtop. Claims IMS is done
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/c...671622068.html
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/651079133019487/?mibextid=2JQ9oc
Cheap C4S
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/530034612622526/?mibextid=2JQ9ocWell used 99 with some .. uhh.. mods
Touch screens just don't make sense in vehicles.
A **** is SO much easier to use while driving.
I can't stand driving vehicles that have touchscreens for AC and audio controls.
Just because it's new and fancy looking, doesn't mean it's better!
Nice looking C4 though...but the iPad would be swapped for a regular radio, or none at all.
My car still has the double DIN Kenwood it came with, but I almost never listen to it.
Only an Astros game can get me to turn it on.
I prefer my Flat 6 music.
Perhaps most bizarre is it has an aftermarket deck mounted below the iPad so I'm not sure what the pad is even for. Gps ? Play Angry Birds while in LA traffic ?
I like it. Clean install.
@TexSquirrel
I agree with you but in this car there is a head unit right underneath for audio controls, and the standard 996 HVAC controls under that. I have my phone mounted next to the steering wheel on any longer trip, mostly for GPS but I may also occasionally stream some music. (I have yet to take a phone call using that arrangement -- I wait until I can pull over and then call them back.) The iPad would serve those functions very well.
What color is this one? Ad says Polar Silver but vinanalytics says PTS; also says has "GT Package"
https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/c...673610358.html
Jplouis if you can get a picture of option sticker under front hood paint code will be listed, 998 or 999 indicate a PTS color, if so under front trunk carpet on drivers side wing should have a sticker listing color name. It does look like it has a bit more blue in it but that could be lighting.
Rich
Well, I gave the number a shot, guy did answer, sounds like he's on the up & up, a small "dealer" who buys cars, repairs them and sells them for a reasonable price.
He mentioned the ecm under the seat got wet - carpet is fine, seats are fine, no mustiness, but he replaced the ecm. The passenger side doesn't lock, the remote doesn't cooperate, but the alarm does work.
Interesting...I know the cabs had water intrusion issues that took out the security system brain under the seat but I wonder how that much water got into a coupe? I guess someone could have left the window down in a rain storm? Overall a nice looking specimen but some $$$ would be needed to get the security system working again as well as a good PPI.
I'm not allowed to buy a 996 because I just bought a Taycan CT4 a couple months ago. Doesn't stop me from looking though. Thought I'd share some white 996s I've found, all 6 speeds.
99 Aerokit 43k miles $40k
03 Ohlins suspension 123k miles $27k
autotrader
03 Sunroof delete 22k miles $38k
ebay
99 157k miles $25k
craigslisg
99 Tan interior 69k miles $31k
Not white
01 Yellow for good measure 82k miles $31k
I'm not affiliated with any of these or verified anything about them. Just things I found going down the 996 rabbit hole.
Some silvers I liked:
99 red interior 41k miles $42k, I think a board members former car.
cars.com
03 68k miles $30k
99 42k miles $32k. Red interior
Hate it when a listing says manual and it ends up being tiptronic. None the less someone might be looking for a 2003 white with red interior tiptronic coupe with 77k miles for $28k
https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/WP0AA29953S620138
This 2004 4S Cab has been on BaT 3 times in the last 3 years. This auction should be a good indicator of market trends.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...-cabriolet-13/
FB Marketplace...wasn't expecting to come across a Millennium.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1685244285219934/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A756d5e84-e503-4c3f-9130-19b2bc8c9adc
[url=http://FB Marketplace...wasn't expecting to come across a Millennium. [ame]https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1685244285219934/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_ serp%3A756d5e84-e503-4c3f-9130-19b2bc8c9adc]http://FB[/ame] Marketplace...wasn't expecting to come across a Millennium. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1685244285219934/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A756d5e84-e503-4c3f-9130-19b2bc8c9adc[/ame]
lemme see if I can screw that up again...
Thought this looked pretty nice - perhaps of interest to someone here: Gray/Beige 02 with 86K miles. Asking $23K. (No affiliation.)
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/6966921176748215?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3Aa5fc58b6-fd48-4389-960b-56f0786b6615
rezooming my weekly copart crawls
https://www.copart.com/lot/79632373/...ra-2-tx-dallas
Nice full red with sport seats interior 996.1 in Tejas, car only has 27k miles. looks someone installed a pccm+ too
https://www.copart.com/lot/66413353/...a-2-ns-halifax
flooded cab with aero skirts, taco and a CHAMPION gauge cluster in canada
https://www.copart.com/lot/74938753/...denver-central
02 turbo w some gnarly front end damage
https://www.copart.com/lot/79683063/...rbo-ca-hayward
02 turbo tip that was hit in the ***
https://www.copart.com/lot/78905043/...lexington-west
flooded sy cab
https://www.copart.com/lot/56670973/...ra-2-co-denver
c4s with vandalism
https://www.copart.com/lot/72034373/...-chicago-north
03 turbo that was hit in the ***
https://www.copart.com/lot/76701183/...o-denver-south
tip c4s with sport seats. looks like it's missing a lot of parts alread
https://www.copart.com/lot/73391713/...cleveland-east
turbo cab with lots of bracelets around the shifter and not a straight panel left
https://www.copart.com/lot/80398553/...la-new-orleans
flooded turbo cab with full carbon
https://www.copart.com/lot/68796843/...-chicago-north
sy 04 coupe in IL, former BaT car:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...rrera-coupe-7/
https://www.copart.com/lot/70203103/...ra-ny-newburgh
rolled c4s cab by the looks of it
Those sport seats are super rare. Not only are they boxster red but they also have leather covered backs. Don't think I've ever seen that before. Gawd, I'd love to have those......
It's an interesting build, my guess is special order ? Seems like very few options other than the crazy interior. No Aerokit or carbonfiber. Strange build.
https://www.copart.com/lot/82876883/...la-new-orleans
Base Boxster tip with a TURBO badge lmao
https://www.copart.com/lot/81607543/...-pa-harrisburg
Boxster with red interior and a black GT3 console delete, looks weird.
https://www.copart.com/lot/61302112/...ster-wy-casper
Boxster with ??? in the trunk. A MASSIVE mouse colony ?? wtf
https://www.copart.com/lot/81351983/...xster-ga-macon
Base Boxster with some weird seats. Almost look like 944 sport seats but not. And a 997 style front bumper and a SPEEDSTER emblem
https://www.copart.com/lot/43713833/...ra-ct-hartford
216k mile white 996 tip cab
https://www.copart.com/lot/46364033/...rera-az-tucson
full leather 996 cab with wood and an IMS retrofit
https://www.copart.com/lot/53793853/...ra-ca-san-jose
7/98 C2 with a busted Aero front bumper and an identity crisis - ambers in the front, clears in the rear
https://www.copart.com/lot/60773873/...denver-central
23k mile Boxster w red interior. some mean looking wheels for 120hp.
https://www.copart.com/lot/82599903/...ra-ca-van-nuys
flooded 99 996 with carbon
https://www.copart.com/lot/70326953/...-ca-long-beach
5/98 white tip 996 with painted console. is that a chrome stick on over the top of the tail lights ??
https://www.copart.com/lot/78891193/...lexington-east
3/98 tip cab with an IMS retrofit and Carrera spoiler, flooded
https://www.copart.com/lot/62705713/...salt-lake-city
3/98 cab with an identity crisis and full leather
https://www.copart.com/lot/59473313/...ny-long-island
flooded 2000 cab with a 40th AE badge and a TURBO badge lmao
https://www.copart.com/lot/73227153/...-2-ca-van-nuys
mirage metallic 2000 cab
https://www.copart.com/lot/79632373/...ra-2-tx-dallas
reposting this because i love the interior. full leather boxster red w sport seats
https://www.copart.com/lot/80697203/...denver-central
2000 c2 with some carbon
https://www.copart.com/lot/66413353/...a-2-ns-halifax
2001 cab with a CHAMPION cluster, wood and Carrera spoiler and full leather
https://www.copart.com/lot/77616033/...ncho-cucamonga
t-boned 01 turba
https://www.copart.com/lot/73561023/...-chicago-north
02 cab with 993 cup wheels ?
https://www.copart.com/lot/74938753/...denver-central
59k mile 6 speed turba with front damage
https://www.copart.com/lot/81638043/...las-vegas-west
SY manual cab with GT3 wheels that havent been cleaned since 2002
https://www.copart.com/lot/81964073/...las-vegas-west
lol at the FOR SALE with a phone number stickers in the back window on this 02 cab
https://www.copart.com/lot/72034373/...-chicago-north
rear ended 03 turba
https://www.copart.com/lot/68796843/...-chicago-north
29k mile SY C2
Copart roundup:
https://www.copart.com/lot/37089414/...rth-charleston
flooded 99 cab with 26k miles in SC
https://www.copart.com/lot/62705713/...salt-lake-city
3/98 cab with an identity crisis
https://www.copart.com/lot/80697203/...denver-central
2000 c2 with what looks like full carbon in CO
https://www.copart.com/lot/38194704/...-orlando-north
SY boxster with hardback sport seats and silver interior trim in FL with 140k miles
https://www.copart.com/lot/77616033/...ncho-cucamonga
t-b0ned turbo
https://www.copart.com/lot/82763453/...er-mo-st-louis
aqua blue boxster on sport classics
https://www.copart.com/lot/67990943/...fl-tampa-south
flooded carrera white c4 cab w hard top with 30k miles
https://www.copart.com/lot/81638043/...las-vegas-west
dirty SY cab with 160k miles
https://www.copart.com/lot/74938753/...denver-central
another wrecked turbo
https://www.copart.com/lot/56670973/...ra-2-co-denver
vandalized C4S with 9500 miles
https://www.copart.com/lot/80398553/...la-new-orleans
flooded turbo cab
https://www.copart.com/lot/82329843/...rera-co-denver
c4s cab tip
https://www.copart.com/lot/64731833/...s-md-baltimore
997 coupe with sport seats
https://www.copart.com/lot/79632373/...ra-2-tx-dallas
Fwiw this car ended up here
http://www.okautoparts.net/
They have the interior listed
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156004858676
On eBay for $14k
https://www.ebay.com/itm/166547794734
If you got a good deal on a roller with bore score (and seven years ago) or cracked head etc probably not a bad deal. I dunno
Ok, I don't get this? The used M96 is $14,000 and a NEW GT4 414hp motor is $13,000? Why does that just not make sense to me.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/12613033027...Cclp%3A4429486
Ya I know, I've already been down that road. Not by FSI but LN. I was just thinking about the guy who put a 991 engine in a 996. Just seemed interesting that's all.
Here is an attractive Targa with some desirable modifications.
2002 Porsche 996 911 Targa rare! - $36,000
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/...713321801.html
Yeah it does. It needs variocam pads which may be the reason.
If I had garage space I'd be all over it.
EDIT: Guess someone else thought so too. Very nicely bought.
How do we feel about this guy?
Early build '99 in Vesuvio with 134k miles. Brand new engine at 132k miles with a bunch of other maintenance done at the same time. Basically no options, but it has the 993 hollow wheels according to the options label. The price at a glance seems high at $25k for the miles, but it does have a brand new engine + maint on a early build 99 in a cool color...
Should be market place item 708526294789319 if the link isn't working.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/708526294789319/
Yes left switch (missing) is for the Targa glass to open and the right switch is for the sunscreen to rollback, that right switch looks blank?
For a rare Targa, seems to be missing items lol
It's rare to see an early C4 with the original wheels still on it, looks like it was well cared for. You can pull a full build sheet here for a small fee:
https://vinanalytics.com/
yeah agreed, and yep I�m familiar, just cheap 😂
do any 99 c4s have lsd? I�m guessing doubtful and probably the only 996 awd with lsd is the x75 optioned turbos.
Just to clarify, this is not a C4S...that body style didn't exist until the 996.2 iteration. This is a narrow body C4. I can't comment on the LSD option, only a full report or picture of the options sticker will answer that.
not sure what I said that made you think i was confused about this. Yes, I know that, thanks.
ahhhh i see now, sorry should have included an apostrophe? I mean C4 in the plural.
https://www.choiceauto.com/inventory/porsche/911/2734/
Early '98 build 6-speed cabriolet in white. Hard top and aerokit (including rear bumper spats) with the car. 33k miles for $27k. Seems like a really good purchase for someone interested in a cab.
Hmm. Yeah, the Carfax wasn't uploaded when I looked at it last night. I Google'd the VIN and saw some older photos if it from a previous owner. It could still be a nice vehicle, but you'd need an inspection.
Right. That is from a previous sale. The dealership that has it currently for sale (
https://www.choiceauto.com/inventory/porsche/911/2734/
) has not uploaded photos yet. I bet if you called/emailed them that they would send you a pic of the options tag though.
Guards Red Targa with 55k miles for $28k. The spec is great and the condition looks really solid. I don't think I've seen another Targa in Guards before...
https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/...733311272.html
Appreciate the offer to take a look if not to much trouble, I am interested if I can make the right deal, was trying to get a picture of option sticker from seller.
Rich
I use option sticker info to determine what came on car from the factory and what items were added after, like wheels and the highly sought out Aero Package.
Rich
Ok people, what do we think about this? Currently listed at a different dealership for a little bit less, but it is a 99 6-speed coupe in Vesuvio.
https://austin.craigslist.org/ctd/d/...734990735.html
Seems in decent shape except for the seats.
Nothing on the Carfax for maintenance up until recently, but it looks like the PO did a big refresh including the IMS. I asked the dealer if the PO had records for all of the service completed on the car.
https://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistor...M-xywL8uK1_i4k
The seats definitely have.....patina..... They are draped leather which is a thicker/more supple leather but it creases a lot, which doesn't help if they aren't kept up. Think of an old, comfy leather couch: feels great, looks terrible.
The description states that it has some sort of factory exclusive interior option but I see no such thing nor does the options tag list that.
At least one of the wheel center caps is aftermarket as it's missing the concentric, recessed ring.
I love Vesuvio, though. It looks like a car that could be a great specimen with a lot of TLC applied to the interior.
Edit: it also has a non-Porsche black coolant cap. Throw that in the trash.
The vacuum brake booster is the original 90 degree elbow design that leaks air like a sieve, so plan to replace that. Luckily Skip
@Porschetech3
takes care of that if you buy the UAOS.
It definitely does have the options for custom interior, but I think the only thing custom is the mix of black and Savannah trim pieces. Like the center console trim is black instead of tan.
It has option codes 00051, 09991, and 21451 which are all custom program options codes. Not that the codes tell you what was custom, just that something custom was done.
To your other point, the wheels need help, but I think I would probably refinish the wheels in bronze or something anyway. Purple over bronze is pretty cool. And the seats� Would be a good candidate for refinishing with new leathers and some houndstooth inserts or something. The actual foam underneath seems fine from the video that the dealership sent me.
custom black plastic and a stupid steering wheel. That interior is awful. Savannah colored plastic pieces look terrible. Plus a dealer that doesn�t know the difference between black and purple.
I don't like Savannah Beige, but I'd probably give that a go. It looks clean other than the seats. Should be easy enough to find a replacement set in better condition, or better yet a set of GT3 buckets
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1610963219178885/permalink/3606277832980737/?sale_post_id=3606277832980737
Edit: Apparently you can't link to FB marketplace from Rennlist.
You kinda can if you put the link in quotes.
The dealership won't allow an offsite PPI and they raised their listed price by $500 today. They're offering to let someone come to the dealership and use their lifts to inspect the car, but that's probably a tall order to get an indy shop to send someone offsite for a PPI. The dealership is also listed as "no hassle", so I don't know if they're flexible on price yet. I was trying to figure out a PPI before working up the salesperson.
Interesting body color matched panels around the radio and guage binnacle. Draped full leather interior as well. Expansion tank looks brand new! If the mileage is legit it would be a good candidate for BAT.
Boomer Beige�
I really don't know how I feel about this color with the aerokit. It just seems a bit mismatched. The aerokit increases the sporty factor, but the gold color screams Buick Century.
I don't mind the color at all. Better than silver for me. Does anybody know how much weight the factory Aero kit adds?
Unfortunate choice for the first photo on the listing. To my eye, it looks like there are two sizable dings on the front driver's side wheel arch at the "11:30" and "12PM" positions. I think those "dings" are reflections, though, because I don't see them in the photos from different angles.
Yeah, there is something behind the camera with a pretty bright light on it. It definitely isn't dents as you can see the same object reflected in other body panels.
Really? I�m shocked to hear that. Not doubting you, but surprised. I think a 996 GT3 weighs weighs about 140 lbs more than a base 996. Not sure where that additional weight comes from, but assumed the bodywork was par of it.
Really? I�m shocked to hear that. Not doubting you, but surprised. I think a 996 GT3 weighs weighs about 140 lbs more than a base 996. Not sure where that additional weight comes from, but assumed the bodywork was par of it.
I have the 'Carrera' wing vs the Taco version but I think they would be similar in weight. When I had them off of the car, I weighed them both. I'll try and find the numbers but IIRC, it was 10lb-ish. I guess the motor mechanisms are heavier than you would think.
I have the Aerokit front bumper in a box that I can weigh but it's only slightly different than the standard one so I doubt there's much weight difference. No idea about the side skirts.
Carrera wing vs Taco
I'd guess the largest weight impact for the GT3 versus the base Carrera (I'm assuming C2) would be the additional all-wheel-drive components (like a C4). No?
Brain fart.
Heavier motor, trans, calipers, rotors and small amounts in suspension componants that ad up. It does have lighter carpet, aero, no sunroof and rear glass to compansate.....
I would also bet that u would dissapointed with how much a c2 actually weighs....its been discused numerous times.
My c2 mk1 gt3ish comes in at 3240 with all the track stuff in. it. (Cage, ligtweight seat, suspension bits).
Also gt3s r all rwd but the chassis is a c4.
Yeah, I've seen that. Real-world weight versus Porsche spec will vary based upon the options on each individual, at least a bit, beyond the "big 3" factors (Tip, AWD, Cab) -- and of course based upon on what mods people have made to their cars.
That said, I think the factory weight specs are useful on a "relative basis". For example, the weight difference between base 996 vs a GT3
with the exact same options/mods
, would probably match the weight difference between the factory specs, even the factory weight spec is "off" in terms of total weight. Stated differently, I think Porsche did have long-term discipline/uniformity in how they measured the weight spec for all of their models over the decades.
https://santabarbara.craigslist.org/...737912278.html
I am *so* tired of people listing literally every blue color under the sun as Zenith... One owner, 30k miles, looks very clean. I'd be booking my flight to Santa Barbara right now if it was actually Zenith instead of Lapis. Very nice car for someone if they're willing to fork out the $38k for a lower mileage car in a good color.
It was originally listed as Zenith. It definitely looked too dark to be Zenith, but I had to call and ask anyway. He said that someone told him that it was Zenith, but he looked at the options sticker and it was Lapis.
We'll see what happens in the last few minutes, but surprised to see this at only $21k with 50 minutes to go. Seems like a very nice example, though it seems (from other posts) not many like the color.
I don't know. I'm pretty surprised. I like the color personally. Having owned Ocean Blue, Lapis Blue (996's), Sapphire Blue (Macan), Venetian Blue (Carrera 3.2), and Adriatic Blue (914 a million years ago) -- I'm partial to blue now that I think about it
, but I like think the sandy metallic looks nice. I'd think the buyer is happier than the seller, but hopefully it works out well for both.
Mentioned it before, but maybe those "dings / discolored touchup" on the front driver's side fender in the main listing picture were a factor. There were no dings -- just unfortunate lighting and reflections, but I thought they were dings with poor touchup within about 5 seconds of seeing the listing -- might have turned people off.
I think any serious buyer would have combed through all of the photos and noticed that it wasn't actual damage, but who knows. I am still subscribing to the Boomer Beige and aerokit style clash. No recorded IMS could have hurt the value too.
I can dig the color combination, but 1. those various black stripes and decals have to go, and 2. the Fuchs wheels would look better if they were polished / silver.
I don't know why, but dang near every 996 with Fuchs that I see are the all black ones. What's even the point? The two tone Fuchs wheels just look so much better,
I guess it depends on what era you�re trying to harken back to. Only the earliest 911�s had silver. I think they changed to black with the 2.7 liter in 1974. My 87 3.2 had black Fuchs. My 74 911s had black cookie cutters (not Fuchs).
No idea why you'd wrap a cobalt blue c4s but looks decent. PSE, painter console,6 speed and 59k miles for $38k. Wellesley is one of the highest priced zip codes in the country I heard.
Still Excellent paint protection, and doesn't clash with interior colors so you can do a pure exterior rap. I would have done it exactly like he did, but gloss. But, then again, I'm just a regular guy.
Possibly if you had paint damage and didn't want to pay $ for a quality respray.
That said I've gotten great deals on 2 seller-wrapped cars. Porsche guys won't touch them and sellers don't seem to want to take the risk unwrapping them, so after a while on the market deals can be had. But you need to be confident knowing how to do the unwrap, or know a guy, if that is the plan.
It looks like a nice car, but the price doesn't reflect the resale risk if the paint doesn't survive the unwrap.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/6...-f30d9a440c3b/
Weird Targa. C4S bumper, Carrera spoiler and flared rockers. Tip.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/f...-4598a5846d36/
Seems like a nice sub $20k .2 C2 with a manual up in VT.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/0...-177c5799cc24/
XAA .2 C2 with some interior mods. Lot o cash though, under 20k miles.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/b...-fb1c17442538/
Atlas gray C4S with a newer motor for 36k
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/6...-f0d66cc7def0/
$35k Aero 6 speed C4 with CINNAMON interior. Interesting.
That Atlas C4S RNM'd on BaT a few months back because the seller basically wouldn't answer or didn't know the answer to question's about the vehicle's history. The car sat for 2 years and the engine that was put in the car also had 50k miles on it. Not saying it isn't potentially a good buy, but it would probably need a lot of attention.
FWIW, AFAIK-
Car was a roller. Seller bought used engine, spozed to be 47k miles from salvage yard. Take that 47k miles statement with various salvage yard policies & trust. One engine reported to cost $10k. Seller swindled/cheated/? out of engine #1, $$ gone, no engine. Seller buys #2 engine with claimed 47k miles. Actually, it then is really engine #3 - 1-fail, 2-gone, 3-salvage, Seller restores various Ferrari cars, not usually Porsche . Does not do work himself. Car unsold on BaT bid $31k, rumored to have $42k reserve. Zero history for engine or car. Seller often gives wrong/conflicting phone numbers, no reply, etc.
Do you need to cover seller $-engine losses? What do you think about a $36k gamble? Dunno.
YMMV
Googled the vin and sounds like it has LSD. Ocean metallic. Dealer website says $25.9k. Appears to have been sitting for much of last 6 years.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/c...743012632.html
Looks like a nice car, with full leather, 3-spoke, looks to be highly original. That's the first time I've seen the factory navigation radio/system -- not sure if it's rare or because most people pull them out. I would guess the navigation is pretty outdated at this point, unless they continue to receive updates. Not that I care about navigation, I use Waze even on modern cars with built-in GPS.
As you mention, it looks like it's only been driven 700 miles since it was listed in 2018 (
https://firstflatsix.com/blog/factor...e-carrera-6sp/
). Not sure what to make of that little usage.
That car is actually an intriguing proposition. Sat for 10 years so, you know. But really well optioned. Later head/taillights like a MY 2000 but early interior. Leather dash. Has the "TC OFF" button confirming factory LSD.
Previous owner liked to skip through their CD tracks a lot.
Late 99 models had the clear headlamps and tails. Somewhere around 7/98 or 8/98 production they were changed. All those options and it was ordered with 17" inch wheels, interesting.
Speaking of wheels, here's a nice set of Sport Classic II in NH for $800
According to the seller he has already turned down offers in the 48K range. Not here to argue pricing, but it would be hard to duplicate this car for 55K.
good for him? You could have your calipers painted yellow I guess? I could see it if the car had less than 30k miles?
ok maybe I�m being a little bearish, I think $48k is absolutely the ceiling though.
I posted up to seller/buyer some early lights if the intention is to try to restore back to early 996 configuration, can�t help with yellow calibers and three spoke steering wheel 😀
Rich
I mean where have you seen an early build with these options and color? Did you see the automatic c4 non early build that just sold on bat for 50k?? it was automatic! lol
I googled the VIN and it brought up your post from Dec saying it was worth $35k.
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-forum/1385223-new-to-the-996-game-need-help.html#post19180611
popcorn emoji
are you a bot? Serious question.
there are plenty of examples of stupid people paying way too much money on BAT for unworthy examples. That is NOT what establishes the market.
so someone else is selling your car for you even though you have an account and are an active poster. And you�re acting like it�s NOT your car. Hmmmkay.
The car is worth what someone will pay for it. If the seller winds up sitting on it for months/years, then it clearly wasn't worth his asking price. Yes. Sometimes auction sites and bidding can result in higher than normal results as two people battle it out in the "who wants it more" battle and they wind up overpaying because of impulse or competitive brainrot sets in.
I couldn't personally spend that much, even on my dream spec 996, but there are people who couldn't care less about spending an extra $10-20k to get a very nice Speed Yellow Aerokit 996 to match their very nice Speed Yellow 997 and their very nice Speed Yellow 993.
I think we all agree with this.
selling at a profit and flipping is fine.
Posting on your own listing to hype your listing and not disclosing it to potential buyers is probably not fine.
This thread got weird.
I'd rather a poverty spec 996 turbo than a fully loaded N/A for the same price. No bore scoring, IMS etc. plus it's a Mezger. But YMMV
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/cto...744547830.html
$5,000 Boxster S in the Bay area. Sounds like it needs cam chains ?
Looks decent other than those terrible eBay headlamps
that�s a $5k job and I doubt that�s all it needs. I paid $5k for a similar boxster s with just under 100k and it ultimately wasn�t worth it (granted I (paid someone to) upgraded and fixed nearly everything possible).
I could see it if you�re a skilled diy enthusiast but otherwise I�d pass!
edit: not meant to bag on you Garrett! I�m guessing you like many of the badasses on here can diy cam pads on an M96, not this guy!
https://www.copart.com/lot/53287994/...-gt3-tx-austin
GT3 in Austin w front end damage. Interesting they don't show a pic of the door or windshield VIN, quick google search says its
WP0AC29974S692552
.
https://www.copart.com/lot/53387294/...a-2-vt-rutland
C4S in VT that went offroading
https://www.copart.com/lot/73391713/...cleveland-east
04 Trubo Cab that hit everything but the lottery in OH
https://www.copart.com/lot/54409784/...-nj-somerville
Flooded 8700 mile 6 speed Turbo cab with hardtop in NJ. It's also an X50 according to VA
https://vinanalytics.com/car/WP0CB29914S676150/
https://www.copart.com/lot/50845234/...a-north-boston
Interesting "undercarriage" damage .2 Cab in MA with 47k miles and a 6 speed.
https://www.copart.com/lot/52937314/...-2-ca-van-nuys
Phony Carrera S badge on a .2 cab tip in CA with 126k miles. Lmao
https://www.copart.com/lot/74067203/...a-2-nj-trenton
Front end wrecked .2 Cab Tip in NJ with low miles but "not real mileage"
https://www.copart.com/lot/54290534/...ny-long-island
Squashed front and rear .2 Cab Tip with Sport Design wheels in NY, 122k miles.
https://www.copart.com/lot/54911884/...-ca-sun-valley
Black on black undercarriage damaged .2 C2 6 speed with 95k in CA
https://www.copart.com/lot/54413154/...a-north-boston
Tippy TT in MA with low miles. Shame, I'd buy it if it was a 6 speed.
https://www.copart.com/lot/47255154/...ga-hi-honolulu
GT3 kitted TARGA with a 6 speed ??? In Hawaii with 2800 miles ! Says front end damage, but I don't see any ?
https://www.copart.com/lot/51470864/...nm-albuquerque
191k mile Tip C2 Cab in NM with undercarriage damage. Crazy miles. Other than the headlights, you'd never know the milege and environment
https://www.copart.com/lot/59473313/...ny-long-island
C2 with a fake 911 TURBO badge on the engine lid, Nice Spacing Stupid.
https://www.copart.com/lot/47164284/...a-2-ms-grenada
A burnt carcas of a .1 Cab. It still has the Carrera spoiler and XAB rear slats. Also with fake 911 TURBO badging.
https://www.copart.com/lot/46662804/...la-new-orleans
Somebody put a nice duckbill spoiler on a GR 99 6 speed.
https://www.copart.com/lot/44130804/...o-denver-south
Absoloutely smoked early 99 Cab 6 speed. Hollowspokes ? I dunno. I hope the driver/passenger survived.
https://www.copart.com/lot/48110034/...ra-ca-van-nuys
Woweee. Early 99 Cab tip. insane frunk paint job/graphic. Has the same Techart bumper add ons and Techart spoiler I have. 5.98 build. Looks like some OZ wheels.
https://www.copart.com/lot/51250554/...rera-tx-dallas
01.98 build C2 6 speed in Dallas with 123k miles. Has later Carrera 5 spoke wheels, weird bumper lip on the front and back, even worse badging, comfort seats and a CDR210.
But wait, theres more !
https://www.copart.com/lot/54716674/...a-ca-san-diego
Looks like a really modified 4/99 Tip Cab. Seems to have a spoiler, XAB rear slats and sideskirts but no Aero front bumper ? Idk seems weird. Maybe someone can explain it
https://www.copart.com/lot/49869844/...ny-long-island
1.99 flooded 6 speeed cab but it has BOXSTER SPECIAL RED LEATHER.
https://www.copart.com/lot/48249704/...ca-los-angeles
5.98 C2 tip with rear damage. White painted console, 76k miles. Hollowspokes >? I dunno, run the VIN
That gt3 would be a fantastic donor for c2 swap...just saying. If the milage is decent and under 40k its a great dyi swap project into a roller. Wrecked Gt3 dont come up oftern.
I was going to say that I recognize that one from Beverly Hills Car Club, even has the plate frame still on it... its not on their website but hasnt been taken down from thesamba so it must've been a recent purchase
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifi...php?id=2665465
41k mile black/black coupe. Has an exclusive option code maybe the short shift he�s referring to in the ad. Seat crests, steel sills and rear wiper are the desirables I see.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/c...749360107.html
BaT comments are worse than Luis' old posts here in the 996 forum.
"Just had 15 lbs of perfect brisket, followed by 19 local brews of 10% abv and hit 140 on the way home"
Seriously... barely any desirable options... if it was the holy grail of 408 with 220 and aerokit, then we could talk about some higher than average pricing... but even this 8k-mi early build went for $55k two months ago:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...rera-coupe-11/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...rera-coupe-66/
Nice looking 12/98 Palladium C2 with painted hardbacks and painted to match wheels
previously sold for under 20k on BAT in 2019
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...11-carrera-91/
Funny to play around with BATs simple auction URL system
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...11-carrera-24/
Factory 99 Aero with a 3.6L for 20k in 2018. IF ONLY
Plain Jane black early build is about to finish. Currently at $28k. It�s a nice car but a 996 that basic with 17k miles�maybe $40-45k max? The comments continue to be hilarious. Apparently 17 inch boxster wheels are a hot commodity?
That couldn't have gone any better.
I wonder if it's active trolling or blissfully lacking in self-awareness
*edit... found his "Texas" Thread... I got my answer.
The FB seller is likely using them on an all-wheel drive Audi (hence the 5x100 adapters). They likely found two sets of rear wheels via eBay or whatnot and cobbled together this set.
Many Audi folk like to keep the wheelsets square to ensure that the all-wheel drive system is happy with it. Many don't know that AWD systems are fine with staggered setups as long as you keep the outer diameter the same between front and rear wheels.
Oh, and why Porsche wheels on an Audi or VW? They are considered upgraded wheels from the same VW AG family. VW/Audi tuners have been using Porsche wheels for decades on their builds.
Audi's are now 5x112 so the 5x100 is probably a VW, every 5 lug VW car is 5x100 as far as I know. Those Porsche 17's are popular with the VW MK4 crowd.
Could also be a 20 year old Audi, which would be sorta period correct for these wheels. No one would put twists on a modern Audi.
I came up through the VW/Audi scene since the 90s. My first car was a '84 GTI and I had ten more since then.
Which were 4 lugs. Are we really gonna get autistic about lug patterns here ? We may need to bring Luis back. MK4 Jetta/Golfs were 5x100 while the Audi based B5 Passat was 5x112. MK6 Jettas and Golfs ( and newer) are 5x112, I know because I daily a MK6 Golf TDI. My W124 wagon is also 5x112.
People used Porsche wheels on VWs cause 'big' (17inch +) VW wheels were heavy as ****.
You Tube
The MK3 Golf and Corrado VR6 were 5x100...in 1991. Not to mention the VR6 Passat and Jetta from that era.
https://www.wheel-size.com/size/volk.../corrado/1991/
https://www.wheel-size.com/size/volk...98-28-vr6--172
lol Is this your way of saying that I was right? I'll take it 😂
Tuners have always tuned the high trim levels...even for VWs
Here's a bonus for you. Guess who else uses 5x130?
@cqhall
and
@GarrettSR5
, the discussion of VW/Audi use of Porsche wheels is kind of interesting (suspect many of us didn't know that was a thing), but take it to PM if you're going to fight. You both probably know more about this than the rest of us combined, so not need to one-up each other.
The guy was saying that all older VWs used 4x100 and Audi used 5x112. And I showed him different...and he got mad and started insulting me. I guess we all aren't hear to learn and grow from each other 🤷♀️
Over the decades tuning, I�ve run across 4x100, 5x100, 5x112, and even 5x130 on VWs alone. It�s cool that Porsche has bee consistent on that front. But, it�s also cool that VW has been open to change. Maybe VW should jump to 5x130 and stay there for a few decades 😅
I dunno, man. This is kinda hot:
But, for real, most of those aren't my thing either. I'm just explaining why the FB seller probably had those wheels in that configuration and the wheel adapters. Also, I'm not here to shame other car people's style in cars. I just grabbed those images from a quick google search.
I don't consider it "poser". Posing is when someone pretends to be something they aren't. These guys are simply finding "exotic" wheels for their builds from within the VW AG family instead of paying more for inferior wheels from an aftermarket company. It's a style thing.
Further, they also install performance parts like brakes and engines in the same way.
I admire the ingenuity and spirit and would encourage it. I think it's cool.
Im not saying it�s not well done, it looks like a lot of time and effort/energy was invested. Just not my thing. I�m not a purist, I like to change things up and make it more personal. Upgraded brakes, suspension components etc,,,,makes the car �better�. I�m not a stance nation supporter 😎
Yes I know I have 5 VR Corrados and a B4 Passat.
One of my Corrados has a 3.2 Cayenne engine. VAG never changes anything so these cars are like Legos. Build whatever blocks you want. It's all good.
I refuse to do business with these kind of dealers. "Call for price"? Seriously? It's 2024 for fuchs sake!
These are also the dealers that can't seem to find the CAPS LOCK button on their keyboards.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/176390160766
Full set of early 99 owners manuals. Don't see them too often. The early 99 manual had a pic from the right rear of a blue 996 unlike the later manuals which had a pic of the front
It�s the final countdown on that �unicorn� the banned dude tried to fluff while acting like it wasn�t his car. Is �bmdaia� �bdronsick� here? Dude that won�t stfu about 99s? Despite all the fluffing I�m guessing it won�t top $50k, which still seems high to me with 65k miles, but yellow is definitely hot. This is douchetastic
Looks to me like someone is willing to pay a premium of $20k for a yellow aero 996.1. Don't get the premium, but I am cheering nevertheless. Love to see 996 Turbos and 40AEs get the same attention.
�IYKYK�, sounds lil familiar.
lotsa shady stuff on BAT, story old as time. I give the dude credit, the car is well presented but �buy the seller� def applies here.
he told us $50k is his break even, for those cheering him on
I saw 2 996s today for sale here in Casper, which is a bit unusual at a local dealership....
a 2000 and a 2002 carrera sitting next to each other... not a whole lot of 996s here in Casper... ill check them out tomorrow... know zero about them just saw them driving by.
I have a 2012 Cayenne S currently. 24 and 23k I believe
I inquired about this car. Asked for some better pictures and more information on the car, but the owner didn't seem eager to respond to the requests (and really didn't). I passed on it and it's been for sale for quite a while.
Manual targa for $20k
https:/m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/313295998498619/?ref=search
Speed yellow C4 (I think?), tip but full leather for $18k
https://www.maxauto.co/vehicle-detai...f99725c938a1fa
Both high mileage, no affiliation.
It�s the option codes:
00501
� Special order color
09981
� Option from Porsche Exclusive Program
09991
� Option from Porsche Exclusive Program
Actually pretty well bought, would not take much to return to stock.
Nice car, but seems a bit high for a tip.
But XAA does add some too.
Maybe it is more inline than I think.
I�m surprised that tips don�t typically sell for more.
There are a lot of people who don�t know how to drive manuals, or choose not to.
Meh. Once you get into reverting the lights (they seem to be stock later halogens that were "smoked" and an HID kit retrofitted into), plus the gross LED fogs in the bumper that are clearly drilled in, and interior back to stock (who sticks a CARRERA sticker to the center stack ?) and undoing the large touch screen install, is it worth it ?
The more pixs I look at the worse it gets. WHO DRILLS AN AEROKIT BUMPER FOR LED FOG LAMPS
Easy to revert, and likely you can sell the upgrades for enough to almost pay for replacements.
Pretty easy to fix
Batwings are cheap. I have a couple of spares. The sticker will probably come right off, just like the Porsche Key emblem near the shifter.
The weird mats have kept the carpet underneath is good condition.
I bet you can sell the mats on eBay for a chunk of change.
The touchscreen hopefully is not too tough to fix.
When these cars hit rock bottom, lots of them were not treated well.
This one wasn't treated too badly.
There are some things I would change, but overall it's a great starting point.
Are we forgetting about labor costs ? Now that the 996 is in the upper echelon I bet most buyers aren't DIYers like they were five six years ago. Idk. It all adds up to me. Esp for a 33k or whatever buy in plus fees.
Yea I have a bunch sitting in a box in garage, mirror and front end bras were the thing in the 1980s and 90s before paint protection film. So many people left them on full time after a while especially if they got wet when they were finally removed surprise paint damage 😩
Rich
Here is definitely a unicorn car. A 2001 996.1 C4S........!! Didn't know they exist. Oddly, the production line didn't mount the rear badge straight, looks kinda crooked.
https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/...758181926.html
The classified text says he swapped in carpet from a tt. I imagine he has the black rear seats.
It's pretty much a top shelf build. Those wheels are north of $5K all by themselves. But yeah, it would be nice if he included the original carpet.
Yep, even using top shelf components ( and that listing has a ton of them) some people can put together bad combinations . It only takes one to kill the vibe on the car , because it makes me wonder what other bad decisions were made that cannot be easily seen...
They are out there...or at least used to be.
https://www.pelicanparts.com/More_In...503-996-TB-OEM
http://www.autoatlanta.com/Porsche-9...-Bra-srch.html
https://www.castlevwcars.com/auto/us...g-il/90111250/
Not a Craigslist / Auction ad and not affiliated with the listing.
I've been on the sidelines for the last few years looking for a '99 or '00 with the caveat being it had to be a tip. Mileage on this one seems pretty solid, some small gaps with service via Carfax, but I'm assuming they wouldn't be opposed to a PPI with it sitting for more than 60 days.
I�m watching this one and thinking there are things about this MY99 that just don�t seem quite right. But yeah, 408s, LSD, and decently low mileage make this pretty compelling. Those wheels alone might be worth over $4k.
High Turbo money, but it looks like a lot of reconditioning was done and yellow always adds $$$.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/996enthusiasts/permalink/3773512636258959/?mibextid=dXMIcH
Facebook group looks private. Here it is on their site.
https://inventory.paeuros.com/vehicles/50/2003-porsche-911-carrera-2dr-carrera-cpe-6-spd-manual
Unfortunately, these 996s no matter will never be worth much.. As much as we try and make ourselves squint and try to appreciate the look. There just fugly! I had a 996 4S and tried my hardest to love it. It was rare too! Low miles with sport exhaust and polar silver.
Options like Tip/Cab/AWD and model (e.g. C2 vs C4S) make a HUGE difference in the weight each 996 drives (more so than any other car I know of - the weight difference among different 996s can be massive).
interesting reading here:
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...-40-jahre.html
2000 speed yellow Carrera 2 cab, manual. Sporting 4S badges and floor mats. No mentions of maintenance history.
https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/fo...780595254.html
Seller is hoping for one heck of a speed yellow premium at $36,500.
Does he have one or did he have one ?
"Unfortunately, these 996s no matter will never be worth much.. As much as we try and make ourselves squint and try to appreciate the look. There just fugly! I
had
a 996 4S and tried my hardest to love it. It was rare too! Low miles with sport exhaust and polar silver.".
So which is it liar ?
2000 C2 cab, vesuvio and sport seats with a new transmission on the Marketplace for $18,250.
2000 996 Carrera cab - VESUVIO & SPORT SEATS - Rennlist - Porsche Discussion Forums
(FYI this is my car. It is well-loved but very NOT fugly. I resisted making a burner account to hype it.
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I think I have seen that “4S” cabriolet for sale in the past wheels are strange and you think seller would have removed that badging not a real positive for any buyer.
Rich
Got several decent offers quickly and I was supposed to finalize the sale today. Couldn't sleep last night thinking about what a mistake I was making selling this car. Went to the garage and sat in it, and was like, "nah."
I texted the buyer at 3AM my apologies, I had a change of heart and was calling off the deal.
Seems like a good setup and I don't blame you for keeping it. Did you do the work yourself? I'm working on mine in Hood River. Let me know if you get out this way. I've always wanted to see that color in person.
PO did IMS/RMS/clutch/trans, I did the engine drop and variocam stuff.
Funny when you try to sell one of these - no one gives a you-know-what about the work. It's only about paint, body, originality. Zero added value from anything other than IMS.
Hood River is phenomenal, next time we take the 996 to Society Hotel I'll drop a line!
The "buyer" who focuses on those issues shows his or her ignorance of the 996. This won't go on for long. The well cared for cars will represent a small population of these and the gap between prices will soret out the marketplace.
I love bingen/white salmon. One of the few things I regret about moving to Eugene.
What�s the deal with this one I wonder? Were there Canadian 98s? No VIN�
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/c...789247602.html
yes I know that. I even emailed them and told them it�s a 99 and to stop advertising it as a 98. At least they could post the f�ing VIN. Everyone should spam them with what idiots they are.
It's either a '98 build date with a NA '99 (X) VIN, or an imported '98 ROW (W) VIN car from Japan. The aftermarket head unit, exhaust tips, front windshield mounted transmitter, and sticker on the rear window lean towards JDM. Hard to tell in the pictures but the speedo also looks to be in KM/H. The Aerokit is an addition, and the paint match isn't the best.
You'd think they would point out the fact it's a JDM import instead of generic used car tropes.
Look at this BaT listing, seems like the least amount of effort to list a car on BaT ever
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...rera-coupe-97/
Look at this BaT listing, seems like the least amount of effort to list a car on BaT ever
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...rera-coupe-97/
i am going to watch comments as I figure there will be a lot of information requests😀
Rich
Barely more than a Craigslist ad worth of photos.
That must be one of the first IMS bearing replacements since it has a Raby installed IMS retrofit.
Mine had one of the first IMS Solutions which had been installed at FSI when I bought it.
This isn't exactly a 996, but a VW Vanagon with an engine from a 1999 996. But it needs a bit of polishing (actually a full project).
The body is a Syncro so you get AWD, and the parts include many upgrades.
The engine had a full rebuild and upgrade to 3.6 liters.
The build mimics the VW B32 Vanagons that Porsche built with a 911 engine for the Paris - Dakar Rally - described on the ad.
If completed, it would make a good match for a 996 owner who would like a fun and unique utility vehicle as a complement to a sports car. For $14,500 I wonder if this package is worth it just for the engine.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifi...php?id=2616238
I've heard that once BaT accepts your car for auction, it could be weeks/months before they post it, and they don't give you a heads up. I wonder if that is really true... anyone on here sell on BaT?
Yes - I have. It was a very frustrating experience to get it listed. If I recall correctly, it took about 5 weeks from the first contact with them until it was ultimately listed to my liking.
I sold a non Porsche car on BAT this year. It was about 5-6 weeks from acceptance till listed as well, however I let them know I was going out of town and to hold off for a week which they did no problem.
It was generally a positive experience though. I think if you have great photos and documentation that helps get listed.
I sold a car on BaT last year. It was an unusual car and that may have affected the timing of things a bit. The only delay, such as it was, was waiting for a "specialist" to start on my listing. Once that happened things moved right along. All in all it was a satisfactory experience.
They are known for trying to get sellers to set a low reserve, which makes sense because they make their money when cars sell. They tried it with me and I replied that I had an offer in hand for more than their desired amount (I did), and we settled on a higher figure. My point being that there can be a negotiation regarding reserve price.
Not Craigslist and not here but $17k for a nephrite green interior early build? It�s past 25 years so is importable. Would have been long sold if here - silly English leaving a jewel like that lying around.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/186824335...Bk9SR4jbvdf3ZA
If I wasn�t married to a more sensible person this thing would be on a boat and at least half the interior in my SY XAA would be lying on the garage floor already awaiting a swap for nephrite green! As it happens I have most of the parts I need for that swap on the way, but not all and this would plug some gaps
This one looks interesting, and GT3 Cup car asking $64,900 which seems like low price.
1999 Porsche 911 GT3 Cup - street licensed - 996.1 - $64,000 (LA / Seattle)
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/ws...811894049.html
No idea if it's legit or not because Craigslist, but this looks like a heck of a deal...
https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/c...813258456.html
Note that I have absolutely nothing to do with this listing - I just stumbled across it.
(Here's a screenshot in case the listing disappears)
1999 996 in the local craigslist
That's Chuck Croteau's car. That's gonna be a hard sell IMHO for the average Carrera buyer who prefers an unmolested car close to stock as possible. If this was manual track prep'd car backed with all documentation, it would sell pretty quick. But the average 996 Carrera buyer that is a serious weekend track junky is not looking for a Tiptronic... and, the average non-tracking Carrera buyer is NOT gonna fork out $25K for a car that has a branded title and questionable miles and modifications.
Pair of factory original Eisenmann quad exhaust tips for Porsche 996.
Purchased used, sold car before installing.
These are the real deal, not the cheap aftermarket knockoffs.
Scratches/
scrapes on the bottom of one tip as noted in pictures.
Local pickup in NYC or Lower Hudson Valley (Pine Plains, NY 12567)
Shipping options available
Not Craig, PcarMarket....
I know it is a 997, but has an amazing detail. This 997 is very close to me, quite unusual in that regard. Another factor is a "spare" set of wheels and tires. The wheels are the same as a set I restored, just smaller width.
https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/2...1-carrera-4-2/
cheers.
YMMV
Looks like a sweet 99 cab with the techart body kit and the silver interior trim kit. Nice price, I wonder if it has lsd.
https://portland.craigslist.org/clc/...831659032.html
In this era of grotesque stupidity, I present something that should shock no one, but seriously, WTF?!
https://boise.craigslist.org/cto/d/b...839702854.html
for the love of god�
this is a screaming deal if legit. I�d pick it up myself if I wasn�t planning on selling my 986S.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/est/p...851538272.html
Maybe. No mention of work to the bores and piston replacement. With all the info in the ad u would think that if it had been done it would have listed. Any rebuild without a full report is a big chance.
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But the seller appears to be color blind or a moron. I�m leaning the latter after some communication with him. I�d be interested but you buy the seller, not the car right?
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/c...868668875.html
I don't know. Ads that hype the rarity and the milage to me are a red flag to keep others from asking about service records or the IMS bearing.
You are buying all the previous owners. How many are there? Have you seen a CarFax on it?
Except for the interior, which he says is "Cinnamon" and is actually Boxster red special leather, how is he color blind?
Speed Yellow
Boxster Red
Metropol Blue top...
BASE Porsche Base Model
411 18" Lt Alloy Carrera Wheel
476 Porsche Stability Management
696 AM/FM Radio with CD Player
750 Delete Cabriolet Hardtop
M6F Metropol Blue Floor Mat
ME Boxster Red Special Leather
P05 Advanced Technic Package
P13 Advanced Design Package
P78 Sport Seats w/Full Leather Int
V4 Metropol Blue Top
X4 Speed Yellow
Digital pictures can be deceiving/inaccurate in terms of color, but don't pictures 8, 9 and ten appear to show the top as being replaced with a black top vs. metro blue?
Spoke to dealer yesterday no record of IMS or RMS being addressed car originally sold in Hawaii. Some body scrapes and missing Carrera sill plate, definitely a strange piece but as previously noted it is still a 2002 3.6 with all normal concerns and requirements.
Rich
That wing doesn't look genuine though... it's too short, and wouldn't a 996.1 aero kit spoiler have the adjustable center part? Also has a third-brake light integrated which I don't think was on the OEM taco wing.
Definitely not an OEM wing...and tacos were never offered on the 996.2 cars. This car looks like a mish-mash of various OEM/aftermarket body kit parts.
Can't say I have ever seen a Targa with a factory Aerokit installed, but maybe it was possible via the Sonderwunch program. Only Porsche would know!
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...61479221%22%7D
2004 Porsche 911 Carrera 2 Cabriolet 2D
$30,000
Listed a week ago in
San Diego, CA
About this vehicle
Driven 137,000 miles
Manual transmission
Exterior colour: Pink � Interior colour:
Fuel type: Petrol
2 owners
Clear history
This vehicle has no significant damage or problems.
Seller's description
Well maintained and modified 6 speed 911 hardtop cabriolet with turbo front end, gt3 aero sides (all OEM Porsche) Custom made Kinesis K58�s. Tons of high end parts, if you have any questions feel free to ask.
Spoiler
Pretty clean example of a "Zenith Blue" 2000 Carrera on Cars & Bids right now. Presents pretty well and photos are well done. Could be a nice driver for someone.
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/30x...-carrera-coupe
Latest find on my Marketplace skimming:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...71656627091514
- 1999, coupe, 6 speed,120,000 miles
- Guards Red / Savannah Interior
- OEM, but not XAA, aerokit
- Located in Westchester, NY
- listed for
$14k
"Car does not run - sold as-is for parts or project. The car developed an oil leak about 4 years ago and has been parked in garage since. I originally planned to repair it, but life - wife, kids, house and other priorities - took over."
Sounds like it could be a nice deal for a fun swap, or start picking it apart to see what's wrong. No response yet, I asked for clarification on the mechanical state.
dealers do that all the time, it�s just a button they didn�t bother pushing on the form. It was a manual and it was high miles. It was a good price, and it sold.
I had reached out to this dealer a few weeks ago, the car did not originally come with the XAA option. Dealer was unable to confirm whether the aerokit was OEM or not
If it turns out to actually be in good condition, this could be a really nice buy. Those wheels really work with the black paint in my opinion.
https://mart.pca.org/ads/79930
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Hello, my 1999 Carrera 2 cabriolet in VESUVIO is soon to hit BAT. It has 69K, 3 pedals and actually a verified celebrity pedigree. It is literally my dream car, but kids are expensive so I am forced to make a hard- no, actually an impossible decision. I have learned a lot from all of you on here and hope to see you there. I really appreciate the help in the comments during the auction. My name is the same on there. Photos tomorrow, listing coming afterwards.
2004 C2 54,159 miles, 4 owners, $26,977?? Why so cheap?? Scrolled through the photos... whoa!
And then HEY where'd those seat belts come from?? Is that the Z0997 Custom Tailoring option???
2004 Porsche 911 Carrera Coupe RWD - $26,977 - CarGurus
Sorry, here's the fine print:
Muffler Delete Exhaust *** Selling Cheap Due To... IMS Not Completed (That we know of),
Light Damage Underneath (No Structural),
Cruise Control Stalk Broken, Rear Spoiler Inop,
Previous Paintwork
,
Must Be Stopped to Engage First Gear,
Cosmetic Interior Issues - See Pics *** Brand New PA State Inspection *** Fresh Oil Change *** Being Sold As-Is ***
Part costs: Muffler, $2000, turn signal stalk, $600, rear spoiler drive $2600. Won't go into first gear unless stopped? That sounds bad.
The "Fresh Oil Change" followed by "Being Sold As-Is" is a huge warning sign. Why bother changing the oil if you are selling it as is anyway? What are you covering up?
Any dealer willing to sell a car in this shape, even if they disclose the issues, is not a dealer with whom you want to do business. Putting a car on your showroom floor with twine holding things in place?! Obviously, zero self respect. Then you look at that unreasonable price...
Yes, it will be interesting to see what it sells for with oil / coolant mixing. Oddly, I watched this video with the same circumstance that he bought for $6,000 and the work they went through to overcome the problem.
I Bought A $6,000 Porsche 911!
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You Tube
Maybe I'll regret this, but it's me the person who bought this car! So far:
I ordered some mufflers on ebay for $800
They included a brand new steering column set so $0
The spoiler might be the death of me, but I'm not spending $2600 to fix it, so far I spent $8 on amazon microswitches
The thing about 1st gear I'm unsure about, there is some slop in the shifter so I'm getting bushings, but I can finesse it into 1st no problem at low speed
Interior plastics will get done as I find deals, I'm not in a rush
Why did I buy it?
The IMS was done in 2017 per
https://imsretrofit.com/ims-check/
(will be upgrading to a solution this year) and when I borescoped the cylinders they were minty fresh. Under the car it looks like all of the front control arms were done recently, but if I were planning to dump the car at a shop this would be a terrible choice. Next cheapest manual coupe on autotrader right now is $28k, maybe I overpaid, but I'm happy with what I got.
Thread here:
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...-slorrera.html
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